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Sunday Nov 15, 2009

Borges' plan makes sense. 45-45, winner gets the leftover percent. Get the contracts drafted!

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THE PROPOSAL Manny vs. Floyd: 45-45 Split, Winner Gets Remaining 10%

By Ron Borges


      What comes next is obvious, which in boxing is what makes it unlikely.

      In most sports you build toward the penultimate moment. The Super Bowl. The World Series. The NBA Finals. The Stanley Cup. As a fan you know what to expect when the time is right. In boxing all you know when the time is right is that something very likely will go wrong.

  After Manny Pacquiao’s brilliant dissection of WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto Saturday night, his next fight is obvious. There is no other fight for him other than a welterweight showdown with Floyd Mayweather, Jr. at a full 147 pounds. No more talk of catch weights and forcing bigger men to diet down. You won the welterweight title now defend it and that means you fight, or at least your opponents do, at 147 pounds.

      The next fight for Mayweather is just as obvious. He can talk of this and that and who brings the asses to the seats and all that nonsense but if he is who he says he is – which is the best fighter in the world – then he needs to prove it by facing Manny Pacquiao.

      It is so logical it pains you to think the sport might be forced to go in another direction. Could Pacquiao take on his old nemesis Juan Manuel Marquez a third time and get paid for it? He could and the public would be interested because only one point on a judge’s card separates the first two fights from going to Marquez, which is a margin so thin as to be nonexistent for all intents and purposes.

      Yet it is not as big a fight as it once might have been because Mayweather just destroyed Marquez in a way Pacquiao hasn't been able to do. Mayweather came off a 21-month self-imposed layoff and dismantled one of the most skilled boxers in the world, knocking him down, beating him up and utterly baffling him without so much as a tune-up fight to get his feet back on the ground.

      He was brilliant, as brilliant in his own way as Pacquiao was in destroying what was left of Cotto, knocking him down twice early in the fight, taking his best shots at its midpoint and then changing his face into an unrecognizable mess in the second half of what turned out to be a 12th round TKO. It could just as easily have been a ninth round or 10th round or 11th round TKO because by those rounds there was ample reason to step in and stop what had become a mugging, not a boxing match.

      So where that leaves the two of them – Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) and Mayweather (40-0, 28 KO) - is on a collision course. At least that is the case if they want to be considered among the elite fighters of all-time because that is what the best do. The best crave the opportunity to face down a challenge and that is what each of them would be to the other.

      It is what made the 1980s one of the sport’s golden moments because Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvelous Marvin Hagler Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran all fought each other. They did it not because they welcomed punishment, which each knew was sure to come in those fights whether you won or lost. They did it because they wanted to know.

      They wanted to know where they stood among the great boxers of their era. They wanted to know who the best was and they wanted you to know too especially if your opinion didn’t coincide with theirs on the subject.

      Sure they wanted to get paid fairly and they wanted to get an edge on their rivals and they wanted all the things that come with being a great champion but most of all they wanted to settle the debate the only way you can in sports. By facing your challenger.

      In the next few months we’ll find out if that’s the case today. Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward has said on several occasions, “Little Floyd doesn’t want nothing to do with Manny Pacquiao.’’ Others have voiced the same sentiment, including Pacquiao himself and his trainer, Freddie Roach. Mayweather has said otherwise but now it’s time for both of them to prove who they are against each other.

      Roach has welcomed Pacquiao’s decision to take on bigger men like Cotto, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton. In each case he predicted blow out victories and in each case he was correct. He believes his man is too much of a pressure fighter for the defensive-minded Mayweather to handle. He does not concede even that Mayweather may be faster, saying his man has the advantage even in hand speed, which if true would be a first for Mayweather.

      Mayweather was mum on the subject last week in Las Vegas, refusing to even comment on the Pacquiao-Cotto fight or on what might come after it. He has, however, many times said he believes he should receive the higher percentage of the purse if they do meet, which has always been a problem for Pacquiao and will be more so if the expected pay-per-view numbers for the Cotto fight come in well over the 1 million mark, as HBO executives cautiously said they were tracking around the country.

      Mayweather and De La Hoya did a record 2.4 million buys but much of that had to be attributed to De La Hoya, who is the most popular pay-per-view fighter in history. But Mayweather also did over 1 million buys with Marquez, something Pacquiao did not do in two matches with Marquez.

      “That’s the fight the world wants to see,’’ Roach conceded. “We want the fight but if Floyd wants a 65-35 split (of the purse) he’s not going to get it.’’


      What Pacquiao and his promoter, Bob Arum, seem to want is parity or better. There is much bad blood between Arum, who once promoted Mayweather, and the Mayweather camp and that adds to the difficulties. He doesn’t like dealing with Al Hayman or Leonard Ellerbee, who advise Mayweather, and he doesn’t like Mayweather. So what?

      This is not a popularity contest or a battle over leverage. It’s a business negotiation and both sides need to remember that. What they also need to remember is that their business is boxing and boxing needs this fight to continue what has been a recent revival of interest in the sport everywhere but amongst a few addle-headed sports editors at old line newspapers who decided some time ago that boxing no longer exists in the American consciousness.

      If not, why did well over 1 million people pay $54.95 last Saturday night to watch Pacquiao-Cotto and why did they do the same thing in September for $49.95 when Mayweather fought Marquez? But I digress.

      How to solve what seems sure to be a difficult negotiation, one in which Arum wants to bring in Golden Boy Promotions’ CEO Richard Schaefer to mediate, seems simple enough actually. Both guys think they’re the bigger star but the fact is neither can duplicate this payday without the other. Both think they are the better fighter as well, even though only one of them can win the fight. (Ed. Note: Unless we get a draw, which would of course set up a compulsory rematch, and another Goldmanesque haul of moolah...)

        So why not simply split the purse 45-45 between the two of them, which will probably bring each in excess of $10 million. Then give both an upside after a certain number of pay-per-view sales, which is standard operating procedure for big fights unless the guarantees are enormous.

      Then take the remaining 10 per cent and give it to the winner, whoever that is. That will surely be a sizable number. Not so big that the loser would feel unfairly compensated but big enough that the man who proves his point about himself to the other and the world will have earned a full measure of what he thinks he’s worth.

      Now, in a real world, you should be able to make this deal with a 50-50 purse split but that’s just not likely to be the case this time. The egos are too big, the entourages are too big, the legal and advising teams are too big and, lastly, the fighters’ opinions of themselves are too big.

      It’s not winner take all. It’s not 65-35 or something outrageous like that. It's winner take an extra hunk of cash. Who could argue with that kind of deal? Hopefully for boxing, not even Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Bob Arum.

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teacher:  This would be great, especially for the fans. I hope they can agree to something ASAP and get the ball rolling. Boxing the sport needs to continue with the momentum that has been created over the last few months. This match must happen sooner than later!!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:33:22 PM
Joe:  They will get this done....it's the only fight all fight fans WANT to see. I can't wait. And I'll pay $64.99 to see it.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:40:11 PM
Matthew:  I like the idea. Both fighters have done big PPV numbers recently, so I think an even split is the only fair way to go. Mayweather may be slightly bigger in the U.S., but Pacquiao is far and away the bigger worldwide star. An extra 10 percent would be big motivation for both fighters, not that either of them should need it. I just hope the fight is made. If anything, it will be the Mayweather camp that keeps it from happening.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:43:16 PM
EM@Joe:  For some reason, when you leave a comment, it appears 25 times, Joe. Please just submit ONCE, thanks.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:48:28 PM
Jason:  Floyd Mayweather has spoken (with Sky Sports), and he said: "The thing is with Pacquiao I don't see any versatility as a fighter. He's a good puncher but just one-dimensional. I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiao do you know what they [the critics] are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather. You are the bigger man.' I knock him out they'll say, 'You're supposed to knock him out, he's been knocked out before.' I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no-one is going to be surprised, because he's been beaten before. He's been beaten on three occasions." ----- Great suggestion Author Borges, 45-45, with the winner getting the remaining 10%, but I just don't see this fight happening. Floyd's words sound like the words of a guy who will price himself out of this contest. If Floyd believed in the core of his being that he'd beat Pacquiao, I think he'd have said 'Pacquiao was superb, he beat a great fighter in Cotto, and he deserevs his moment and all of the accolades he's getting. When the dust settles, I'd love to get in with the man and see who emerges as the best welterweight in the world and truly the best P4P fighter of the era.' After all "Money" is about the money, and a 50% share against Pacquiao is MORE than a 75% share against...Vic Darchinyan...or whoever else he's targeting. Reading between the lines, it tells me he has grave doubts.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:54:26 PM
RANCHERO_AFAMADO:  FLOYD NEEDS TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!! HOW DOES A FIGHT LIKE THIS NOT MAKE SENCE? I MEAN C'MON HE FOUGHT BALDOMIR (OR WHAT EVER HIS NAME WAS). HE IS FULL OF EXCUSES. THE THING IS WE DONT BELIEVE THEM. STEP UP FLOYD!!! GO AHEAD AND FIGHT PACMAN. YOU'LL BE OK, JUST RUN LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 02:21:37 PM
Steve the hater:  Pacquiao beat the less dangerous opponent so he cannot claim that he is the best poud x pound, why did nt he fight Mosley?if Mayweather gets critizied x picking his fighters then Pacman too.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 03:51:00 PM
John the lover:  lol Steve, Pacquiao beat Cotto who beat Mosley, so obviously Cotto is better than Mosley. Get the facts right lol.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:13:35 PM
dp69 watching ESPN news:  If i was pacquiao, i tell scareweather to go f*** himself....pacquiao dont need scareweather....scareweather needs him.....pacquiao should fight mosley next and try to unified the welterweight division.....BTW....if it all come down to money, pacquiao should ask for 60/40....he's the champ...and he is most definetly P4P king....so hold that scareweather....holla back!!!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:21:32 PM
Peplz:  I dont know if he has doubts are not. But there are a couple of things that are undeniably true. Pacquiao has shown that he can beat any welterweight, including Mayweather, and what Mayweather said is absolutely true. If he beats, dominates, and/or knocks Pacquiao out no one will be too excited about it and he probably won't get a whole lot of credit for defeating the smaller man. But if Pacquiao beats Mayweather the planet will stop spinning for a couple of days. This is unfortunately for Mayweather the scenario that he will walk in to on fight night.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:42:42 PM
@steve the hater:  I believe Cotto beat Mosley..
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:43:17 PM
@peplz:  Go tell Floyd to pick a fight with Mosley or Paul Williams then HE'LL be the smaller man. Mayweather is BS period.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:47:31 PM
Tmac:  part of the reason he didn't fight Mosely is because his camp wanted to fight someone in their prime and Mosely is far from that, I'm sure part of it too was Arnum wanting to build up Cotto, but Mosely would be the next logical choice if Floyd runs away from this fight, and Manny aint runnin away from Mosely, he's already said he'd fight him.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:48:53 PM
Rico sioting of Quezon City:  50-40 in favor of Manny....if Mayweather camp disagrees...Yuri Foreman is an alternative for an eight division title...The guy has only 8 ko out of only 30 fights. 70-30 for Yuri...
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:51:01 PM
Rico Sioting of Quezon City:  In the first place who needs Mayweather anyways...He's the only ex pound4pound king and he beats the no. 2 guy in Marquez for a non-title bout....Their fight shouldn't happen in the first place coz theirs no title at stake...Where can u find a non-title bout in a main event and the title bout in the undercard...That itself is KILLING THE BOXING INDUSTRY...All of them will be affected...the fighters, the promoters, etc... So I think the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO and other boxing bodies should made a consensus regardin' this...They should ban fighters and promoters to hold non-title fights in the main event and the title bout fighters should be the main event & gets the big purse.... Considerin' Mayweather is no. 2 p4p, he should fight at least a top ten ranked fighter before the CHAMP Pacquiao...If the body allows it Mayweather must be ready to accept a smaller purse than that of the champion PACMAN....
Monday Nov 16, 2009 05:00:51 PM
Peplz:  He is not smaller than Mosley. Mosley and Mayweather are exactly the same hieght. "Mayweather is BS period", sounds like the words of somebody who doesn't think that Pacquiao stands a chance against him. Rico. There is no way Pacquiao will get the benefit of a 50/40 split, and if thats what he even asks for then we know who is trying to price themself out of the fight. And who the heck is Yuri Foreman? If Pacquiao chooses to fight a no name because Arum is unable to swindle Mayweather into believing that Pacquiao is a bigger star than he is then we definately don't have to guess who is ducking who. And go tell Shane Mosley to fight Paul Williams, and you will get a flat out open confession that he doesn't want to fight Paul Williams because he is too big. Don't believe me? Go watch the Mosley/Margarito post fight interview. "I only want to fight guys my size now" were his words. So who is the coward? And, now that Pacquiao is a legit welterweight, I don't see why I don't hear anyone calling for a Pacquiao/Williams showdown. If you try to discredit Mayweather on some hating because you don't like him you just sound stupid and ignorant of the sport.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 05:12:22 PM
Peplz:  Rico. Come on man. Pacquiao did not fight his way into contention for the welterweight title. He got the shot at the tilte because of his celebrity status and pound for pound status in the sport. So if you're going to make a point like that against Mayweather it has to apply to Pacquiao also. Or do these standards only count for Mayweather?
Monday Nov 16, 2009 05:21:10 PM
Erik:  WHY NOT 47.5%, EACH AND THE WINNER GETS THE EXTRA 5%? SO, THE DIFFERENCE WOULD STILL BE AROUND 5-10 MILLION DOLLARS EXTRA.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:04:28 PM
Oddsmaker:  Like the Idea of Pacman vs Runningman however this Author must not know anything about boxing when he compares the Marquez Vs Pacman fight done at 130 lbs which is the natural weight of Marquez . To the Marquez Vs Fraud in where Marquez had to move up to 147lbs to fight Fraud, who never made the agreed weight and would not do interviews or show his weight before the fight c'mon if you haven't figure out that the last Mayweather Vs Marquez fight was not set up by GBP in favor of Fraud as a bargaining chip against this mega fight you have no bussiness writing . wake up man
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:07:35 PM
bbtroy:  Why do lots of people forget that Pacquiao fought Marquez @ 130lbs when he struggled keeping his weight. Roach said Marquez @140lbs is a possible option so team Pacman could finally keep his mouth shut. It may not be as big against Floyd but it is still viable option.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:18:23 PM
pacfanatic:  I wonder Mr. Author why you see little significance in pacquiao's demolition of big guys (dela hoya, hatton, & cotto) and yet you see greatness in Mayweahter "Decisioned" a smaller guy in Marquez. You're right Mr. author, Mayweather did to Marquez what Pacquiao did not do, that is, send Marquez to the canvass 4 times!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:20:26 PM
Anonymous user:  manny earned the P4P title by going up the weight classes. for mayweather to earned this title back, he should fight bigger fighter and not the small guy pacman. of corz boxers from higher weight classes wont consider flod the P4P if he become the victor to a fight with pac coz pac is the smaller guy. let floyd fight a bigger fighter such as Paul Williams or Winky....Mr. Phil
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:24:05 PM
wwade12:  DP69, I have been checking this site your over a year and your posts are funny. You bash PBF in every post you make. I think you are a PBF fan in the closet. Grow up. PBF would have beat Cotto in a UD, made Margarito look like the second rate fighter he his, and will beat Mosley in convincing fashion. As far as Pacman goes, I hate to say, Floyd will beat him easily. So give up the hate and appreciate the skill that Floyd has.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:24:49 PM
Alex:  Floyd is just Floyd. Id love to see Manny go for the Rabis title and meanwhile have Floyd face Margarito in his comeback. Hes long avoided him, and itd be facing a real fighter in his weight and Margaritos redemptiom over the bull Chicken De la Hoya, made him go through for calling him out.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:29:41 PM
Sen Gaetos of Los Angels:  This idea (45-45 split; and, with the 10% going to the winner) is a very clever and sound proposal. That will make it 55-45 in favor of the winner. We can make another options ike 40-40 split and 20% to be added the winner. That will it 60-40 to the winner. I think that the only unsettled issue for this fight of Pacquiao & Mayweather shall be the non-monetary details of the fight (eg venue, date, weight, etc.). But this can be worked out.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:34:04 PM
jollia:  if moneywheatger is not afraid of pacman manny, let 30-30% split then add the remaining 20%, goes to the winnwer w/c is Monney Paguiao
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:34:38 PM
Lex:  I would like to see the ultimate fight between Pacman and PBF. And most of all I would like to see how Pacman beat the hell out of PBF so that PBF and FM Sr. will shut up after this. Anyway its probably the last fight of Manny, so better send PBF away for good by giving him the KO. And this will not happen if they couldn't agree with the terms laid out on the table regarding the split. If this is the terms then Pacman should go for it because I'm sure he will get the remaining 10% after the fight.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:36:34 PM
Sonny Peralta:  I think that is good 45%-45% and 10% for the brawler fighter and that is difinitely Pcman will get another 10% hehehe. Because my observation Mayweather will not fight Toe-to-Toe to Pcman, He will move forward once @ three step backward, He can't afford to damage his face. Pcman nothing to prove he got already the the Flag on the top of Mt. Everest. To Mayweather please accept the Fight to Pcman don't make any excuses you can't say you are the best, because you are not fighting the Best Fighter in the World, Don't tell me you will fight Ivan Calderon hehehe.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:37:10 PM
Vito Ferreria:  Manny Pacquiao should fight 2 times next year against Juan Manuel Marquez in March and Shane Mosley in June first ! So that he can fight Floyd Mayweather in 2011 for his farewell fight in the Yankee Stadium.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:39:20 PM
benji:  The fans have more to say than any persons in boxing, the prize money belongs to them. . . and the clamor now is . . . there should be manny and floyd fight
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:41:12 PM
ali @ The Mayweather Haters :  Stop saying Pac doesn't need Mayweather Bull$hit!!!!!... Neither one of them need each other to make alot of $$$$$$$.....But neither one of them can make as much as they would together......Its about want the fans want and its Mayweather vs Pac its not even close people that don't even watch boxing are talking about that fight..... Listen there not talking about Mayweather vs Mosley or Mosley vs Pac damn it not that hard to understand that's the fight that has to happen cause it's going to be the biggest fight in boxing history period.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:44:28 PM
titsky:  I like the idea... he can get the bigger pie (10%) after proving he's worth it (winner). that's fair enough!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:46:13 PM
roy:  when mayweather beat marquez, a lot of people praised him for dominating the fight. they talked about how he masterfully dismantled the guy in his game. he is used to beating smaller and safer guys. now why would he be too cautious from being criticized on beating a naturally smaller guy? come on mayweather. all lousy reasons are exhausted!!!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:48:35 PM
titsky:  I like the idea... he can get the bigger pie (10%) after proving he's worth it (winner). that's fair enough!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:49:02 PM
akosiandoy:  Great Idea.....even we like it or not professional sports is business and politics. The sports of boxing need this fight Manny vs.Floyd ..the fans wants it .Everyone will be the winner if this happens and a 45-45 and 10 for the winner is fair enough...BUT I CAN TELL YOU the biggest winner is not Manny ,Floyd,the promoters,trainers,HBO,or even the fans,BUT the sport of boxing as a whole.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:50:02 PM
Ver Dizon:  I think 40/40 and W20 is better. It is because Mayweather doesn't deserve 45. I this scenario he must fight pacquiao in convincing fashion to get the 20. But I think Manny Pacquiao is more likely inclined to get the remaining 20. If the world title will be on the line I say it must be 50/30 and W20. Since Pacquiao is now Pound for Pound No. 1 and WBO Welterweight Champion and WBC Diamond Welter Weight Champion. How about it guys I think this is better because of Manny's Hardwork. Regards to all.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:50:20 PM
benji:  the 'big brawl' must have to happen at stadium . . . Manny vs. floyd
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:55:51 PM
#1floydfan:  i was gonna say something nice but i changed my mind.......thats all i been hearing since crapio dismantled cotto.....pacquiao doesn't need mayweather...pacquiao doesn't need mayweather.......you're all starting to sound a lil worried..... whats crapio gonna do? is he gonna earn more praise by beating on yet another old man name shane mosley to go along with his long list of others? or is he gonna move in weight and challenge anyone without the name paul williams? get outta town.......floyd was made for crapio......the majority of the public wants it...it has to happen.....cotto had his chance and failed misserably...........IT'S OUR TURN
Monday Nov 16, 2009 06:56:54 PM
Viel Mervic:  Let's get it straight. If (going head-to-head on their latest fight where Pacquiao and Mayweather are the A-sides of that event) Pacquiao-Cotto, a Filipino and Puerto Rican, does more than a million PPV buys in America than Mayweather-Marquez, an American and Mexican, do you think that Mayweather deserves the better share? Come on. That means more than a million homes or people in AMERICA wanted to see Pacquiao more than they want to see Mayweather, and still, you won't concede to the fact that Pacquiao deserves the bigger share. Or, you're telling me that because Mayweather-Marquez did better than the two fights of Pacquiao-Marquez means Floyd deserves the bigger share. Come on. Pacquiao-Marquez were not super or megafights. We're talking about megafights. And don't you dare include comparisons between DLH-Floyd, Floyd-Hatton and DLH-Pac or Pac-Hatton because DLH and Hatton were the reasons those fights were labeled as megafights. Here's the thing: by Floyd saying he deserves the bigger share, he's also making a statement to the world that "I don't want to fight this guy, and this is my excuse". Period.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:11:29 PM
evo:  MAyweather has plenty to say... why not just prove and fight the best pound for pound king pacquiao. Bad mouthing is useless.... prove it in the ring. If Mayweather says he is the best then the money is only a second priority.. just prove it first.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:15:07 PM
dtfernando:  Examine carefully the words of each fighter so you will see who the fearful creature really is. The Pacman, in so many words, ONLY said he wanted a fair share of the money. ALL boxers would say the same words. As every boxing fan knows, Floyd said over Skysports that "The thing is with Pacquiao I don't see any versatility as a fighter. He's a good puncher but just one-dimensional. I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiao do you know what they [the critics] are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather. You are the bigger man.' I knock him out they'll say, 'You're supposed to knock him out, he's been knocked out before.' I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no-one is going to be surprised, because he's been beaten before. He's been beaten on three occasions." THESE ARE THE WORDS OF A COWARD IN WHATEVER WAY YOU CONCEIVE HIM TO BE. NO-WIN SITUATION FOR THE FAMOUSLY STUPID, SELF-SERVING LOGIC OF THE MAYWEATHERS???? THE MAYWEATHERS CARE ONLY ABOUT THE MONEY AS THEY THEMSELVES ALWAYS WANTED TO BE QUOTED ON! THE MONEY FROM A PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER BOUT WILL CERTAINLY NOT IMPOVERISH EITHER. That he chooses to try to insult the record of the Pacman -- as if himsellf has not benefited from unfair refereeing in the ring wherein judges count his powerpuff punches -- is certainlhy the words of a very fearful coward in our country. In fact, as Pacman has demonstrated, the macho needs in the Philippines demand that he takes on the full punches of the opponent --remember the freebee punches he offered to Cotto in the early rounds ??? -- to prove his manliness. He certainly did this. THIS BOUT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE MAYWEATHER IS NOT A BOXER BUT A COMMON CON MAN. TAKE MY WORDS FOR THIS WILL COME TO PASS; MANNY WILL NOT KNOCK HIMI OUT BEFORE THE 12TH ROUND. HE WILL SHRED MAYWEATHER'S FACE EVERY ROUND FOR EACH YEAR HE CONNED PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HE IS A GOOD BOXER CAPABLE OF TAKING EXCELLENT CHALLENGES. THE UNARGUABLE NAKED TRUTH IS THAT MAYWEATHER NEVER FACED A KILLER-BOXER IN THE MOLD OF THE PACMAN. HE ONLY WANTED SISSIES AND PYGMIES FOR HIS OPPONENTS.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:30:28 PM
ernanskie:  Peplz, i dont mean to hurl insults, but pacquiao managed to beat more than his size while going up in weight. that definitely shows he is far better than mayweather who never even tried to fight cotto in his own weight class or mosley and paul williams yet bragging about his pound for pound status! he never even tried to go up for margarito! mayweather is a bogus, a sham, only a big mouth, a scared dog that keeps barking while his tail is on his ass! he disgraces purity of sports, thats why people are displeased. it has been long overdue for mayweather to fight fighters like mosley and cotto on his weight class but why it never even happened? pacman destroyed dela hoya and may with only a unanimouse decision, then decided to retire on a rematch? pacquiao's status as no. 1 pound for pound isnt just simply a celebrity status, he earned it from 106-145 pound 7 weight division classes fights! mayweather never even tried to go up to face margarito! on mayweather and marquez fight, though the fight also deserve approval, cant even compare it to pacquiao! pacman dropped marquez 3 times to the canvas yet mayweather only managed to drop him once on the canvas to win a unanimous decision despite all of marquez adjustments! marquez is the best counter puncher in his class not an offensive fighter. in mayweather marquez was forced to be the offensive boxer which is not his game, more so climbing up from 130 to 144 in weight is a big difficulty! and lastly even with all marquez sacrifices mayweather cheats on the weigh in!!!!! he really is a worthless sportsman! that shows a coward he is who loses audiences respect as a sports icon. in comparison mannys fearless pursue to destroy every best fighter in different weight division won peoples respect! you can never buy honor and respect, it is earned. purity of sports pal!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:31:05 PM
Peplz:  @Viel Mervick If De La Hoya and Hatton were the reasons why the fights against Mayweather did big numbers then why haven't De La Hoya or Hatton done those numbers in their fights against other opponents? Better Question. If Pac is a better draw than Floyd and De La Hoya and Hatton are the reasons that the Mayweather fight sold so well then why did Pacquiao's fights against the same two opponents not sell as much as their fights against Mayweather? Forget about comparing the Marquez fights. Both physical and monetary performances are not worth comparing. And we all know that Cotto is a much bigger celebrity than Marquez, but we don't even know if the Pacquiao vs. Cotto out sold Mayweather vs. Marquez yet.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:47:52 PM
john anthony:  50/50 split purse and the winner will get 70/30 on the PPV? Do you thingk this is good for manny and floyd?
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:49:16 PM
Syanong Ka:  Floyd actually wants to fight Saul Alvarez and not Manny Pacquiao, so stop arguing you people.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:06:39 PM
Carl P:  Peplz, Bill just explained to you about how a champion of a division can challenge another division champion. It's the champion being challenge option to refuse and most cases he accepts the challenge, but if he refuses he will labeled as 'no huevos' or 'el pollo loco'. The requirement is being a champion once and that's it, no matter if you're not a current champ. IN other words, because you already have an excellent resume. All champions can do it and that's just the way it is, bro.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:26:18 PM
Carl P:  Peplz, one more thing. Are you aware that it's very hard for a human body to keep changing weight.? Look what happened to De La Hoya, he didn't look strong against Pacman.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:30:31 PM
Syanong Ka:  I think Mayweather would prefer Saul Alvarez than Manny Pacquiao because it's going to be 90/10 split.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:31:50 PM
Neil Papas:  Mayweather's credentials pale in comparison to Pacquiao's. Pacquiao is the top draw here not Mayweather. To say that Mayweather should get the lion's share is stupid!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:39:24 PM
Arthur:  What's next for both fighters if the Mayweather-Pacquiao doesn't happen? Pacquiao can fight anyone and will still attract at least 1-1.8 Million PPV even against Mosley. Mayweather vs. Mosley, I doubt it would reach 1 Million PPV buys. Mayweather doesn't have loyal PPV fans. PacMan has a lot of options than Mayweather so he deserves the better cut of the pie.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:43:26 PM
inzomia:  Manny, don't need that fight. Mayweather is nonsense.. He hits and run. Manny will only be tired in running and chasing Mayweather because mayweather is a runner not a fighter.. Watch his previous fight. His number 1 technique, running..If the other fighter become tired, he'll be aggressive.. Its better for Manny to retire. MAYWEATHER-PACQUIAO is not a dream match of pacquiao. IT'S THE DREAM MATCH OF MAYWEATHER AND YOU PEOPLE.. Manny don't need that fight.. It's better for him to retire.. He's not bankrupt unlike other boxers because he has a lot of investment... Stop your selfishness..
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:58:05 PM
JL:  Why not make 30-30 split and the winner gets 40. Since the Mayweather camp keep on telling, Mayweather is the best and Pacman has no chance against him, that split will be no problem with him.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 09:01:06 PM
Steve the hater@:  Cotto beat Mosley before he was taking apart from Margarito with plaster or not, but he was done, but Mosley took Margo apart and he will do the same to Pacman, he needs to fight a real welter weight at 147, Mosley or Floyd to get people respect...beating cotto did not prove anything it was as expected.....
Monday Nov 16, 2009 09:32:04 PM
Anonymous user:  you give so much credit to mayweather in beating small marquez, mayweather was so much heavier during fight night that he didn't want the world to know how much he weighed during the night of the fight. come on now.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 09:44:46 PM
frisco samonte:  Floyd Mayweather must agree to 45-45 split and 10 percent to the winner because thats the best preposition he can get in a mega fight like this. This will assure him of a great nest egg after hes beaten by Manny.Forget about being undefeated, hes no Rocky Marciano just by looking at his record with less than 70% ko performance.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 09:46:41 PM
bandidos:  Since PBF is barking out very loud that manny is an easy opponent why not up the stake... make it a winner take all contest. The winner will really be rich after this fight. what do you say now PBF???
Monday Nov 16, 2009 09:50:58 PM
kountedout:  that would be a great deal for both fighters and may the best man win. this fight has to happen. forget all the ppv numbers that is not settling who is the best fighter. lets settle this in the ring. call him scareweather, gayweather and what other names you can think of but after they fight all you will be able to call him is champion. they played right into floyds hands built this guy up like he's unbelievable and now floyd is going to get a thrill of tearing it down
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:01:38 PM
Lee:  Unfair for PAC-Man.. That is all I can say. Floyd is truly a remarkable draw, especially in America, (with the african americans), but America is NOT THE WORLD. Everywhere, Manny is known now. He had reached the Tiger Woods of golf and Michael Jordan of boxing STATUS as a boxer. Give what is due. Pac is now "THE FACE" of boxing, PBF is nowhere near him! PBF and his fans can ran their big mouths, but the world does not get fooled now by constant self-proclaiment of greatness. PBF indeed has 40-0-0 record, but that is all he have now. Split should be 60-40, with pacman the larger share, and he should not go down 55!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:10:24 PM
wwawidssr.:  Don't argue people, floyd maywether sr. will not allow his son lil floyd to fight paquiao. The reason is lil floyd has no coach because roger maywether still in traumatic shock until now. MAYWETHER EXPOSE!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:11:49 PM
GEORGE:  The PPV sales result will command the split. Floyd/Marquez fight garnered a Million PPV buys, if Pacman/Cotto fight garnered same amount then 52-48 in favor of Manny is not a bad idea. That 4% difference is a respect for the belt holder. If ever the result of Pacman/Cotto fight produced 1.5M buys as most people expected, then the split should be 60-40 or even lower.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:13:24 PM
Jay Ari Yin:  I already posted this somewhere. 60-40 if one wins by KO or TKO. 55-45 if one wins by UD, SD or MD. 50-50 if draw.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:17:53 PM
Money70-30:  I would propose 80% to the winner and 20% to the loser. The one who backs out means he is coward and should not be permittted to fight anymore , because in this sports world this competition and should not tolerate greediness for the sake of the fans. I am sure Manny will not back out. And I believe at least 3 million people will watch the game live here in America Maybe the whole Dallas stadium is big enough to accomodate the gates. Let the betting odds even. The loser will still take home a lot of money, unless that guy wants to buy the whole microsoft. The guy who backs out give him another chance maybe he will consider 60%-40%. It's all mind games.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:37:41 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  I've back off from my proposed 50-50 share. This fraud sounds like a man who is trying to price himself out of a fight. For a guy who really loves to fight for money he sure acts like an @ss doing so. If the guy wanted the money that much then why not act more of a human being for a change. I don't buy all this crap about people saying he acting like this and that just to hype up a fight. The guy is just plain jealous of Pacquiao. Which is why he puts down everything Manny is. Why would this guy want to fight Manny when all he is doing is downgrading him. Then don't fight him if you believe you will not accomplish anything by fighting him. I'm with Don, Fe'Roz, and whoever else believes that Floyd should beg for this fight. I say 60-40 in favor of Pacquiao.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:37:48 PM
Steve the hater:  Picking the less dangerous guy Cotto to at catch weight to gain 7 world titles?does not get respect,it reminds me when Roy Jones picked the slower heavy weight John Ruiz to make history and claim that he can beat a heavy weight thats B.....S,he needs to fight at 147 or go down to 140, stop fouling people.....
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:51:34 PM
frisco samonte:  As an incentive to Floyd why not let the promoters give him an additional 1 million dollars for his sales pitch, lets admit it he brings more business by way of his mouth while pacquiao doesnt do much talking. Remember the great Ali?
Monday Nov 16, 2009 11:00:14 PM
Ramsey Bacerott:  Mayweather will not accept a 45-45 split with the winner taking the remaining 10%. Maybe a 45-35 split and the winner taking the remaining 20%. Why would this work? Because the initial 45-35 split will be acceptable to Mayweather's ego. Floyd really believes he can beat Manny. So, if he were to win, he'll end up with his desired 65% of the purse. Manny also believes he can win. So presenting Manny with 35% of the share, along with an additional 20% if he wins, should be appealing for the Pacquio camp since a victory can divide the split to 55-45 in Manny's favor. I understand Arum has a big ego for his fighter as well. The truth of the matter is that the Mayweather fights have generated more money than Manny's fights. Mayweather is also undefeated. Therefore, Mayweather should be awarded more of the share (65%) with a win vs the share (55%) that would be awarded to Manny if he wins. As Mills Lane used to say, "Let's get it on!"
Monday Nov 16, 2009 11:04:07 PM
Fe'Roz :  I would bet the house that Floyd will NOT make as much as Manny if and when they do meet. They may sugar-coat the contract details to make it more palatable for Floyd. But no matter how it is spun, he will swallow the bitter pill of lesser compensation in the end. Arum and Manny rolled the bones and now they control the dice. So, in the end, Floyd will have to accept the smaller slice. First round goes to Manny.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 11:05:44 PM
Gang Ho:  Enough of this girlie talk about who is the best, let the fight happen. Haters and huggers alike lets go to war if this fight never happen. dont let this two fighter fight no other except the two of them alone. Burn all companies and establishment that will promote the fight that the two is not the main protagonist.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 12:24:32 AM
Trotsky:  It is easier to KO Floyd Jr. than a negotiation to take place. The negotiation is more dramatic than the fight itself.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 12:33:43 AM
fewree:  I like your 45-45 split idea, but it's just not very realistic. I really don't see either fighter accepting that deal.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 12:36:45 AM
pacquiaoghost:  If "THE PRETTY BOY" is man enough, then he should take this split. We cannot judge both fighters based on PPV sales. Mayweather-Marquez fight generated 1M buys probably because FLOYD is coming out of retirement and they eager to see if he is still in good shape. Or perhaps some pacquiao fans watched it because they would like to assess the chances of either fighters (Pacquiao-Mayweather) should they engage in the ring. FLOYD talks a lot like his father FLOYD SR. He should be MAN-ny enough to talk with the TOP RANK whether he like BOB ARUM or not. I don't like BOB ARUM either but he make great fights. Fights that people wanted to see. Maybe FLOYD doesn't want to see himself getting Whipped by a poor boy from the Philippines. MANNAY PACQUIAO ROCKS, PHILIPPINES RULES IN BOXING
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 12:38:53 AM
lacson:  I did a poll at boxingscene. Asking if they had a choice between a Mayweather fight or Pacquiao fight, who would they spend their ppv money on. 82% said Pacquiao. I think anything less than 60% to Pacquiao would be a rip-off, he's the attraction. To Mayweather anything over 20% is a bonus for him.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 01:13:15 AM
OledoR:  That's a fair deal.. Common bring it ON!!!! Mayweather should now step on the plate and call out Pacman by himself.. Common FLOYD don't be like a sissy guy.. be a Man and Fight the Pacman. Prove that you are really great or better than Pacman. FIGHT HIM.. the deal is fair..
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:53:41 AM
dyolens:  Another proposal can go this way. 45-45 split, winner gets the other 10 if the judges have to declare a winner. 35-35 split the other 40% goes to the winner if its decided by a knock out. I'm sure Jr will be amenable to this since he says people are expecting him to knock out Manny or at least beat him. If he won't take this, he's just pure chicken. Bock, bock, bock!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:41:27 AM
spamkiller:  steve the hater.. are you out of your mind?? COTTO the less dangerous fighter??? if he is less dangerous why does Mayweather don't fight him???? Even Cotto acknowledges Pacman's brilliance.. no excuses from him..... if mayweather really thinks he can easily beat pacman then he should agree to a 40-40 split the winner will get the20% share... i admit that mayweather has the best defense among boxers.. coz he keeps on ducking and running away from, Mosley, Cotto and Margarito.. i can't wait for the pacman annihilation of mayweather so gayweather can have his full time job at WWE coz he belongs there.. a faker......
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 12:23:27 PM
allan:  Who ever is the champ should be 60-40 but i also agree on 45 -45 10 to the winner
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 12:28:23 PM
Peplz:  @Carl P. Thanks for the supposed insight. But what does any of what you wrote have to do with what I wrote against Pill. The jerk who calls names while he happens to be making the same point as the person he's insulting. Okay lets just clear this up. Someone on here said that Floyd needed to earn a chance to fight Pacquiao by fighting all of the welter weight contenders. I simply explained that Pacquiao did not do this to earn a shot at Cotto. I also explained that Pacquiao's celebrity and Pound 4 Pound status in the sport are the reasons that he was given the shot at the title. Simple as that. Should I break it down for you? Pacquiao being one of the best competitors in the sport is the reason he was given a shot at the title without having to climb the ladder. And people saying that Floyd needs to move up in weight to show his abilities need to do some research on both Floyd and Pac-Man. As soon as you find out that Floyd was fighting in the same weight divisions as Pacquiao was in the beginning of his pro career when he was the age Pacquiao was I expect you guys to start calling for a Pacquiao vs. Williams showdown also. Pacquiao started boxing professionally when he was 16 years old and weighed 106lbs. Guess what. When Mayweather was 16 years old he fought in the 106lb division as an amatuer and was the national champ. So keep on applying double standards. Because they will keep coming back and slapping you in the face.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 01:12:56 PM
Peplz:  @ernanskie I don't mean to hurl insults either. But, keep dreaming. If Mayweather was all of those disparaging comments you made about him I don't think that you are anyone else would even be talking about him.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 01:22:47 PM
Peplz:  You or anyone else.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 01:23:24 PM
Peplz:  @ernanskie After reading your comment I have to say that you sure are making alot of excuses. To say that Mayweather cheated on the scale shows that you will say anything, even if doesn't make sense, to go against Mayweather. Whats cheating is trying to get a fighter to go below his comfortable weight to face you. Ala' Freddie Roach and the catch weight scam. So don't even talk to me about Mayweather cheating on the scale weighing 146lbs in a welter weight fight. Its sheer propaganda and nonsense excuses. And Pacquiao knocking Marquez down 3 times means very little when you know how badly Pacquioa got brutalized by him in the next 6 rounds after he knocked him down. If I remember correctly Pacquiao went up in weight the same way Marquez did. Exactly the same way from the same weight. But Marquez the dude who has beaten up on Pacquiao more than anyone else is not a legitimate opponent for Mayweather. But, somehow Pacquioa is. All I hear from all of you guys is double standards and excuses.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 01:41:14 PM
LC:  This is even better suggestion 50/50 if it goes to decision. But if the fight ended by KO or TKO, the winner gets 5% or 10% cash incentive. Floyd we know does not like to fight toe-to-toe. This will make him engage mano to mano. And we know who would win that one. If one of them win a decision it will remain 50% to the winner and 50% to the loser. A BRILLIANT IDEA!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:11:05 PM
Dell:  I love the 45-45 winner takes 10 idea... It makes perfect sense for this fight...
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:48:45 PM
MisterLee @ RB:  Mr. Borges, just curious, you're one of my favorite writers on this site and of all time, but why do you insist on crediting floyd for taking apart a guy who struggled with "that bigger guy" Juan Diaz. It's not like marquez didn't hit him, it's just that his welter punched didn't carry up from lightweight (where he wasnt even a big puncher himself). Besides all this purse split stuff, i think it's just business. I like boxing... and I like pacquiao mosley or pacquiiao may or mosley may. Make it happens! Why not a tournament involving clottey, pacquiao, mosley, money, williams, and berto. Pc!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:30:35 PM
ayoto:  The Pacquiao vs Marquez II didn't do a million buys because 1.none of them was bigger than loud mouth floyd #2 none of them is an american. Ofcourse mayweather vs marquez did almost ( yes Ron ALMOST) coz #1 floyd was already a big star after he fought Oskie #2 he's an american. BUT what about floyd's previous fights before dela hoya? did any of'em did a million? COME ON NOW. Anyway, A Pacquiao vs Mayweather has to happen.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:21:14 PM
labo:  mayweathwer should hire Hussien Bolt's coach should the fight materialize so he could perfect running away from Pacman.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:24:02 PM
bpen:  Pacman made a history in boxing, mayweather boast only on his records.so if there is a deal made between them, pacman deserves the lion share. but I dont think this will happen, because it is obvious, mayweather is afraid to be included in the pacman's list. he surely knows that he will be the next in line.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 01:13:36 AM
Ottog Hahn Matalam:  Promoters of Moseley and Berto knew that dealing a fight against Mayweather is extremely difficult and stressful process that's why there's this tune-up fight on January, 2010 between Moseley and Berto. The victor of the winner of this fight versus Pacquiao will be the Welterweight Lineal Champion. Pacquiao against Marquez will still be feasible, although it didn't reach the Million PPV with their previous fight, it will in their coming 3rd fight.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 05:54:34 AM
jake234:  cotto was a fighter with one loss, so to say"what was left of him" doesnt hold water,and to say manny has a high opinion of himself, sounds like you never heard him speak... humble and respectful
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 04:56:44 PM
Kirk Guerrero:  This is a response to (Steve the hater's comment.) The reason why Pacquaio did not choose Mosley was because He did not have the crown belt. And I bet you if he fought Mosley and beats Mosley you would probably say why didn't Pacquaio fight Cotto? Cotto dominated Mosley... so bad. Now Floyd should be working in fruit picking field because he likes to pick.. He hasn't fight Cotto, Mosley.. I predict the fight By KO in 4 Round by Pacman.
Thursday Dec 3, 2009 11:49:55 PM
Kirk Guerrero:  Im thinking what will be the excuse of Mayweather once he is KO'd by Manny Pacquiao... Hmmmmm Oh i get it.. he would say.. every fighter has a lucky punch and he got me? or he would say hmmm I still felt my ribb injury from the past? hmmm come on guys help me out to think. I hurt my self before the fight? I cant really think because Floyd has a big mouth. He wants the Lion's share? By saying that I think his trainer should send him for a check up, because his head maybe already been damage. If this is business. The written evidence should be followed. Manny is the NUMBER ONE and thats not floyd. Honest guys Floyd is not even a boxer. He is an olympiam runner. or a dancer maybe? I can even beat him my self for sure with one finger. (kidding with the finger ok). Conclussion: This fight is a MUST. because if it is not. It would be a big lost for a boxing sport.. What we are really doing, all of us is promoting the fight. Man I cant wait for the fight. If floyd really thinks Pacman can't beat him.. well why not 30/30 and 40 to the winner? Unfortunately not. because he loves money, well who doesn't. Honest guys Pacman is a Billionaire in the Philipines unline floyd a Millionare? lols
Friday Dec 4, 2009 12:36:16 AM
Edgar A. de Dios:  To Mr. Ron Borges, please read Mr. Oddsmaker's comment, so that you will wake up from your sleep. Sorry to tell you that you have poor boxing IQ. Or, you are just bias for Mayweather. Remeber, boxing writers and analysts of the sport becomes great if they set aside the biases and come out fair, and without favor to any party. I hope you will realize that, Mr. Borges. Again, sorry for this comment. I'm only telling the truth.
Saturday Dec 5, 2009 12:52:20 PM

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