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Sunday Nov 15, 2009

Maybe an early KO would've been best for Miguel. He did absorb many, many clean shots, yet again. We wonder, will ever be the same post Margarito and Manny?

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It Was Almost As If There Were Two Of Him In The Ring

By Ron Borges


      LAS VEGAS – Freddie Roach had predicted an early knockout for Manny Pacquiao Saturday night. Miguel Cotto wishes he was right.

      For nearly 12 rounds Pacquiao battered the WBO welterweight champion the way the typhoon that had driven Pacquiao out of his training camp and back to Roach’s gym in Hollywood had battered the Philippines last month. By the time referee Kenny Bayless stepped in at :55 of the 12th round and stopped what had become a mugging rounds earlier Cotto’s face was barely recognizable, his spirit was broken and his world title was gone.

      His cheeks were bruised and so puffy his eyes were half closed. His lips were swollen to the point where it looked as if he’d overdosed on collagen injections between rounds. As he stood in his corner, broken and beaten, his mother came to his side and held his hand, kissing his fingers as if trying to comfort a small boy who had run into the town bully on his way home from school.

      Cotto had spent much of the second half of the fight in almost constant retreat, circling on his toes and seldom throwing anything at Pacquiao with authority because he knew if he did the beating he was taking was only going to get worse. Yet not even retreat allowed him to avoid what became a constant onslaught from Pacquiao for which he had no answers and no defense.

      “I couldn’t see where the punches were coming from,’’ Cotto admitted. “I couldn’t protect myself.’’

      His corner should have but they didn’t, allowing him to go out for the final round when it was clear he had no chance to win and was absorbing almost constant punishment. When Pacquiao again drilled him with a stinging combination that drove him into the turnbuckle, Bayless stepped in and mercifully ended what had become a nightmarish affair for Cotto and a glorious one for Pacquiao.

       Pacquiao had  by then rearranged Cotto’s features, battering his face until it was all but unrecognizable. From the second round on, Pacquiao’s superior hand speed and movement had allowed him to control matters, catching him time after time with fierce combinations that quickly transformed a proud champion into a pacifist unwilling and unwanting to throw punches because he was spending much of his time using both hands to try and smother the assault he was under.

      The fight started cautiously enough with both men measuring the other but taking few chances. Cotto flicked his jab and tried to land a left hook over Pacquiao’s right while scoring to the body on several occasions in the opening round but that quickly changed in Round 2 with both flurrying more and Pacquiao turning up the pressure and quickly changing angles to try and confuse Cotto.

      Pacquiao dropped Cotto to his gloves with a short right hook with more than two minutes still left in Round 3 but that seemed only to enrage Cotto, who attacked, pushing Pacquiao back into the ropes. The two had several fiery exchanges and in Round 4 Cotto seemed to have Pacquiao trapped on the ropes for most of the round when suddenly Pacquiao reversed the situation, flurrying as he did. Cotto went to the ropes and was hit with a right hand and a following left hook that snapped his head around and sent him to the floor a second time. For all intents and purposes the fight was over at that point.

      “Manny fought Cotto’s fight too much early,’’ Roach said, “but as the fight went on Manny’s speed was too much for him. It should have been stopped three rounds sooner when he began to run.

      “Manny broke him down. His hand speed was too much. His in and out movement was too much. Once I saw him backing up I knew it was over.’’

      Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) was calm in the early rounds even when Cotto was landing some snapping punches and pressuring him into retreat. All along he kept waiting for the moment that quickly came, the one where he could unleash his fury on Cotto and begin what would become a systematic demolition of the welterweight champion.

      “I was looking for the knockout shot,’’ Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) said. “That’s why I didn’t throw a lot of punches. Then I landed a good right hook.

      “The key to the fight was to stay disciplined. We didn’t panic in the ring (early). I needed time to test his power. As the fight went on I was looking for a one-shot knockout.’’

      He didn’t get that but when Cotto arose from the second knockdown round four was nearly done. As it turned out, so was he.

      There was already a bruise under his right eye and as he sat on his stool he wore the blank expression of a man lost in the wilderness as his trainer, Joe Santiago, vigorously rubbed his scalp to revive him. Cotto survived the next round by staying in a defensive shell but Pacquiao continued to outquick him and change angles, always seeming to be a move – and two punches - ahead of him.

      The champion’s last stand came in Round 6 when the two were at close quarters most of the round and engaged in several furious back-and-forth flurries. But once again Pacquiao got the final word in, a stinging left hand near the end of the round that rocked Cotto, sending him backwards once again. Cotto quickly spun off the ropes this time and pushed Pacquiao away before he could land another blow but by then the Filipino’s speed was taking a heavy toll on Cotto’s features.

      “He hit harder than we expected,’’ said Cotto’s trainer, Joe Santiago. “He was a lot stronger than we expected.’’

      For the rest of the night Cotto settled into a defensive shell, his hands held high, staying on his toes and circling away with the wary look of a beaten animal in his fast-closing eyes.

      Round after round the story never changed. Pacquiao would blister Cotto with fast flurries that bent him over or sent him backwards and then Cotto would retreat only to soon enough be assaulted once again. He had no answer to any of this except to bravely try to hold on until the Filipino storm had blown over.

      This, and little more, is what he did until Bayless finally said what Cotto’s father had been hollering for several rounds - “Enough!’’

      But that was well after he was rocked again in the ninth round by another combination that sent him back to the ropes and although he briefly escaped it soon happened again and then a third time. With each crushing flurry, Cotto’s face continued to swell like an angry blowfish, his eyes now little more than slits.

      “I didn’t protect myself,’’ Cotto said before leaving for a full head and body scan at University Trauma Center. “He threw from all angles.’’

      Worse than that, he landed from all angles. No matter where Cotto turned there was no route of escape, no safe haven, nowhere to turn. Pacquiao seemed to be everywhere. It was almost as if there were two of him in the ring.

      There was not however because there is only one Manny Pacquiao. Of that, Miguel Cotto, and all of boxing, can be quite sure.

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#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  It sure did look like there were two Pacquiaos in there fighting Cotto. One taking and the other giving the hard punches to Cotto. Time and time again Manny's opponents always underestimate his capabilities until it's too late. We all know one thing for sure is that you can't impose your size on Manny. He will just cut you down. He will find the hole on your defense and catch you with a precision shot. Mayweather needs to step up because the public demands this fight. This is the case of Predator vs Prey. Will the Predator catch his prey ,or will the Prey out maneuvor his Predator? This is the best match up style wise.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:48:57 AM
MisterLee @ #1 pac:  I feel footspeed will tell the difference in a mayweather fight, not handspeed. Holler! I hope he picks mosley next after he beats berto. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:51:53 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time! :  @MisterLee, I complete agree with you. Does May have enough room in the ring to get away from Pac? Will Pac chase May around or be frustrated as he did at the later rounds with Cotto? I wonder...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:12:01 AM
AFN bowing down in unworthiness:  Devastating. I expected the first round to be the order of the fight for the rest of the night. How wrong I was. As the brave and honorable Miguel Cotto said at the end of the fight, Manny Pacquiao is one of the greatest of all time. Devastating. EL TOONOY
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:40:03 AM
mortcola:  If PBJ does not take this fight, he cements his legacy more decisively than if he takes it and either wins or loses. No one in his right mind doubts Floyd's pure defensive and tactical skill supremacy among today's fighters. But perhaps now he can add to his sublime reflexes and timing something other than the purely human knack for dodging genuine challenges.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:43:38 AM
brownsugar:  #1 that's the only fight the world wants to see right now,.. myself included,.. bring on the P4P Battle Royal,.. I'll be severely dissappointed if the fight is not made,.. an I believe that Mayweather would prey on the predator in that fight,.. hopefully some announcements will come out in the coming weeks about each fighters intentions... I know Arum wants it to happen,.. as well as Roach,... and Floyd simply can't pass up this kind of high-profile payday,.. I don't see Manny as a killer puncher at 147,.. but his short arms enable him to deliver some blisteringly hard hitting combo's,.. and his ability to step around his opponent so quickly keeps him in position to continue dealing out the damage... nobodies going to beat Manny in an endurance contest,.. he has to be outboxed,.. because Manny won't weardown,... Floyd is the only capable of outboxing Manny,.. and Manny is the only one with enough footspeed to dart around Floyd,... I'm really hoping the fight can be made,... think I'll even write a few letters...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:46:03 AM
Radam G - matulog na ako - talaga, diba!:  There were one PacMan, 140-million Pinoys world-wide and now seven titles from seven division and a major butt kicking waiting for Family Mayweather, if, of course, they want to step up in this Pacific storm. Mayweather, my Pinoy Power arse, STORMY WEATHER, BABEEEEEE and the end of the Money May goose ass! Bring the Buffalo Soldier on to get buffaloed. YUP! I been told how they stormed into the Pilipinas for a beatdown a century ago. Manny aims to crush Money May in Money May's adopted hometown of Las Vegas, which we always turn into Manila Vegas. We are kickin' bootah in the Wild, Wild West! Family May, get da heck outta Dodge Vegas by sundown sometime in 2010 and a $100-million takedown. Holla!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:47:29 AM
Radam G - w/unsteady hands and heavy eyes needing to hit da darn pit:  *I meant "goose egg"....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:51:48 AM
AFN cauliflower Manny:  Check out the funny photo of Manny on espn boxing. Did y'all notice the cauliflower ear he had at the end of the fight? He's got the right side of his face bandaged up like a toothache victim from a Loony Toon cartoon.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:09:07 AM
Eastar:  This just in. After the second beat down of his career. Miguel Coocho calls it quits...As always. lmaooo. Anyway, Bob Arum will avoid Floyd like the Plague. Manny was asked if he had any comments to Floyd, and he said no. Manny looked scared, too.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:25:57 AM
swift:  I want to hear all the excuses from the Cotto people. I'm not a pacman fan, I am a Paul Williams fan, but I said that he would beat Cotto by decision because of hand speed. I just hate when people who think they know about boxing, never give fighters like Pacman for beating past greats like Barrera and Morales claiming they were past their prime. Which is complete garbage! Pac will go down as one of the greatest ever, to me he isn't one of the top ten yet, but he probably has the biggest heart of any fighter in history....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:36:40 AM
Jason:  Manny proved a couple of things last night. First, he carries all of his skills to welterweight. His speed, angles, power, and overall boxing prowess are all there. Second, he takes a hell of a shot too. In his interview with Brian Kenny, he clearly looked like a guy who'd been in a war. So I think we can forever put to rest the notion that he's NOT a legitimate welterweight. As for Floyd, I don't believe he wants the fight, and I think he'll sabotage the negotiations in order to avoid Manny. Floyd is the one who's untested at welterweight, not Manny. He hasn't fought one nearly as good as Cotto. I hope the fight happens, but I see Floyd going another way (maybe a Hatton rematch at 150 (wink wink)).
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:39:39 AM
brownsugar:  Manny's trainer Ariza said he doesn't like a Fight with Floyd,.. but he doesn't speak for Roach or Pac,.. Manny was a pure beast last night,.. some people in his camp say Manny showed Cotto mercy,... he's the kind of boxer who would bring the best out of Floyd,.. I hope we don't have to wait too long to get an announcement....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:40:28 AM
The Saint:  As I've said before, the fight I want to see the most is Pacquiao vs Mayweather, but I think Mayweather should earn his shot at Pacquiao by beating a top welterweight first. Beating a 36 year old, blown up lightweight doesn't make for a top 10 welterweight in my book.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:40:29 AM
mayweather's manwh*re:  As if my love would fight that little man. We would rather cuddle as my baby floyd sings on my microphone. That, my dear scientists, is sweet.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:42:27 AM
boxeeeng:  Manny did show mercy. He was letting cotto do his back pedalling from 7thrd and on. Pac's stamina is there as he showed in training
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:19:30 AM
Eastar:  Floyd was already a top ten welterweight when he retired. In fact, he was undisputed welterweight champion when he retired.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:43:11 AM
GOAT:  Much props to Pac! I believed Cotto would be to strong for Pac but it wasn't so. Much respect and props. People get your popcorn ready for the fight of all fights PBF vs Pac!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:50:37 AM
Frank Z:  I cheered for manny to win, picked him to win, and love the way he fights. that being said, i still gotta be an objective boxing observer, and say he still shows some flaws, he doens't roll enough with shots on the inside and does tend to eat shots that he shouldn't, like when he would stand in front of cotto with his hands up and welcome cotto to throw. either way, in light of that fact that he was conditioned to absorb cotto's shots, and give about 10 times as good as he took, i can't blame himi too much for it. but i don't think we can put him in with the robinsons and alis yet. he does get full credit for beating a strong, skilled welterweight, but cotto still is not the best welterweight today, that honor belongs to shane mosley. i think he still has work to be done before he can be truly considered with ali, if he beats mayweather and mosley, then i will say that his legacy can surpass ray leonard's, and probably match roberto duran's before he started fattening up. i would truly love to see him fight mayweather next and then mosley after that. i don't have much interest in seeing a 3rd match with marquez. brownsugar and misterlee, i think at this point the only people who can beat manny are people who can slip and slide shots on the inside, cut off the ring and wear him down with body and head shots. if you give manny room to operate he picks you apart, since now he's shown that he can really throw feints and his foot movemnt gives anyone trouble.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:02:43 PM
brownsugar:  Good comments Frank,.. personally I dont' think Mosely will make it past Berto,.. (who is looking like he's weighing about 170lbs right now) I could be wrong but if Berto wins,.. I doubt there would be any public outcry for the Pacman to fight him... plus Berto is a very bad matchup for Manny,... Yep,... Manny's foot speed is a dangerous weapon and it's in the hands of a fighter who can throw at rate of 6 punches a second...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:20:41 PM
mortcola@frankz:  Frank - Interesting point. I would answer that Pac's defensive strength is his offensive feinting, angles and speed, his ability to pivot and be somewhere other than expected. He doesn't focus on making his head a moving target, or slipping individual punches, per se. He is much harder to hit when he is on the attack, because his attack includes unpredictable movement, which also allows his unorthodox shots to land. When he is stalking, such as in the first two rounds, he doesn't slip better than average. However, consider that Cotto is typically a very accurate puncher, especially with the jab, and after the first six- while Cotto was still in there fighting - his connect percentage was still below 30%. So, I would say that Pac is no different from Duran in having a defense that is integrated with his attack. And, slipping and sliding against Pac is not effective - Cotto is good with upper body defensive movement, and due to Pac's ability to land hooks and uppercuts from nearly any arc, very quickly, mixing them in with straight crosses, Pac was still able to land very effectively regardless of Cotto's body and head movement. The only thing that brought down Pac's punch rate and accuracy was the non-stop foot movement, which only worked as a survival tool. This makes it very hard for anyone to fight Manny without actually outpunching him, which is pretty perilous. I think Manny's ability to land from anywhere within 360 degrees, very quickly and with leverage, is a major technical challenge to Mayweather's ability anticipate and roll away from shots. Manny has never thrown at so elusive and intelligent a target, and Floyd has never seen the angles and speed with which Pac punches. Really exciting, if Floyd sees it as a good risk-return. Shame on him if he doesn't. It would be as if Ali ducked Frazier so as not to risk his legacy.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:28:41 PM
Frank Z@mortcola:  good point, actually mayweather is probably the best fighter at using the ring space and creating punching and countering room. circling and moving away did work a little bit for cotto and extended the fight a couple of rounds for him, and mayweather does it better and quicker than cotto. it'll be a very interestingn style matchup, especially since may has a serious reach advantage.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:39:30 PM
Aaron:  Don't get too carried away by Pacquiao's latest conquest. There are still a couple guys out there named Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat who KO"D a young prime time PACQUIAO.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:40:13 PM
Frank Z@ Aaron:  So?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:43:07 PM
Aaron:  Pacquiao is a great boxer, Torrecampo and Singsurat beat him, hence they are greater boxers. Why doesn't Manny have rematches with them?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:48:40 PM
TotoyBato:  There were three of Manny that Miguel had to contend with. A taste of Pacman in the 2nd rd, then a Clottey peek-a-boo on the ropes to show that he can take Miguel's best shots. Completely demoralized, Miguel was reminded of a Margarito stalking in the final half of the fight. Miguel was battered into submission physically and psychologically. A normal boxer would not answer the opening bell @ round 7, but Miguel had a ton of Island pride and respect for the GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME. Miguel gallantly tried to take the punishment until the end of 12 rounds.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:57:12 PM
TotoyBato:  Pacquiao carried Cotto throughtout the fight, inflicting just enough damage to keep Cotto on his feet round after round. It was like a cat playing with its prey. In the era of the Great Pacman, the standard is to dominate and then KO your opponent. All others with amateur pitter-patter boxing styles do not deserve the money that us true fight fans are willing to pay (to witness great fights).
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:10:33 PM
Frank Z@Aaron:  cuase he'd destroy them at this point?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:12:29 PM
#1PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @brownsugar, if Manny was to fight Mosley or Mayweather he would weigh in at 144-145 and his opponents 147. If Manny can stay around that range he can still be as fast and as powerful. I said before that Mosley would be the toughest fight for Manny but that has changed. Mosley is a great underrated skilled boxer but he tends to can't himself at times elects to trade. That would be a recipe for disaster for Mosley. He is not as disciplined as Floyd when it comes to sticking to boxing. We all know that Floyd has only one gameplan and that's to score points and win the fight. Someone made a good point that Mayweather is like a bigger version of Marquez. Against Mayweather, Manny has footspeed, punching power, about equal in handspeed, better chin. Mayweather will have on his side a better counter punching technique, ring IQ, defense, reach, height, and hometown judges. Against Mosley, Manny has footspeed, head and lateral movement, equal in punching power, handspeed, slight better in countering. Mosley will have on his side a better chin, reach, height, conditioning, slightly better ring IQ. Great match ups we have here fellas.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:26:27 PM
rico of quezon city:  A fight and win against Yuri Foreman and Arthur Abraham would make Manny the BEST FIGHTER of the MILLENIUM....The best boxer that ever was....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:56:32 PM
Lyd of Barugo, Leyte Philippines:  Pacman would blazes and dazes Mayweather and put him to sleep like that Radam writer said that Rocky Lockridge did Roger Mayweather back in 1983. I heard that Lockridge mother or grandmother was a Pinay. Pinoy Power has been around for a long time. Now we are coming out. Mabuhay kay Manny Pacquiao and all the Pinoy fighter. Get well Z! We're praying for you.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:31:45 PM
Isaiah:  Make Floyd beg. There's no where left to turn. Floyd WILL find an exscuse to make sure this fight doesn't happen. I'm sick of doubting Manny. I'v eaten my crow for the last time betting against Manny. Moralles/Pacquaio 1 was the last time it was humanily possible to beat the Pacman. Pacquiao is now a machine. Bring on Mayweather if he finally finds the guts! Manny has earned a 50/50 split, NUFF SAID!!! 2010 is the end for Pacman and he's going out with a bang! Mayweather and Mosley, then it's done son! Gentlemen! Bring em on! I'm going to take you Mayweather's fans money to the bank!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:01:46 PM
Fe'Roz :  Another look back at Ali will show a fighter quite willing to take in order to give. The image we are left with was the elusive quick-footed ring master whose punches struck like bolts of lightening. That part is true but there was another. The fighter; the warrior that took shots and shook and in most cases laughed them off. But took them he did. Sometimes quite dangerously. Now, Frank and Mortcola, I agree that Manny takes unnecessary shots and his defense has holes. So does Freddie Roach. He did not want him fighting Cotto's fight. but like Ali, Manny knows himself best. So he takes some shots early, tests Cotto's power, watches him closely..... then he attacks. Once on offense, his opponents see double. And Manny knows it ....in every fiber of his body. So in the aggregate, I think he fought this fight just right yet very specifically and differently from the way he would fight another. He (and Roach) studies opponents for habits. Then he relies on his experience and ring intelligence to take the measure of his opponent's power and/or speed. He underestimates no one. He will be ready for Floyd. I still say make him wait. Manny earned the right to lead and dominate Floyd in negotiations. The next move is Floyd's. After we see the PPV numbers.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:11:18 PM
rdot:  Manny will dominate Floyd in negotiations and then in the bout and then knock him out and boneheads will still hate Manny.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:28:32 PM
Fe'Roz :  Nobody hates Manny. They may not like his fanatics, but they damn sure don't hate him
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:03:26 PM
The Saint:  @Aaron: EPIC FAIL. lol
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:05:24 PM
Isaiah@ANYONE!!!:  What are the PPV #'s for this fight?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:05:40 PM
bill major:  floyd wants nothing to do with pacquiao thats a given unless he's ready to take a loss and make big $$$. i almost had my prediction with a 3rd rd KO but cotto was slick a and escaped .im disgusted with santiago and his lack of compassion for his fighter,everyone but him knew cotto was just going to get killed after the 7th rd ad had no shot. reminded me of moore vs duran. cotto deserved better than that . he is a heck of fighter and a terrific human being and i wish him nothing but the best .pacquiao is a one of a kind ,has the right mindset to be even greater than he is. i feel bad for whoever he fights next.didnt he look like rioberto duran the way he moved and punched ? man i was just in heaven last night . viva pacquiao!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:09:10 PM
rdot:  bill major is right. Floyd has fanatics, not Manny. He has realists
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:25:19 PM
Lex:  Pacman cannot beat Floyd, thats for sure. Have you seen a viper outrun the fighter jet? thats how it is. Are we talking about running/sprinting????IMAO
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:09:55 PM
Noel:  "He hit harder than we expected.He stronger than we expected", Cotto's trainer Joe Santiago said. What a freakin' Moron this Santiago! You're coming to world welterweight fight and you underestimate your opponent? Why would you assume that Pacquiao doesn't hit very hard?Why would you assume that he is not very strong? Well, can't really blame Santiago because he is only a conditioning coach and dietician of Cotto. No doubt Cotto has talent but its hard to do the training without a world class trainer.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:29:45 PM
ali Pac vs Mayweather no catchweight:  Does anybody have a problem with that Pac has proved he's a real welterweight. I hope Roach doesn't try to make Mayweather come down cause that will make it harder to make the fight and we don't need that bull$hit.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:43:53 PM
johnl:  Aaron: Pacquiao is a great boxer, Torrecampo and Singsurat beat him, hence they are greater boxers. Why doesn't Manny have rematches with them? Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:48:40 PM -dumb a** remarks. does it get any dumber than this??
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:54:43 PM
ultimoshogun:  I agree, after his annihilation of Cotto last night he doesn't need Mayweather or Mosley to come down to a catch weight.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:58:24 PM
MisterLee:  @ Aaron, just b/c a fighter loses to another fighter doesn't make that fighter who won a greater boxer. Is taylor better than bhop b/c he beat him? Look at their legacy and compare them side to side? Is marquez better than pacquiao b/c he arguably outboxed him? Many pple would say no. Styles make fights. Any boxer good or bad has a shot at beating an champion at any point if the stars are aligned. Does this make buster douglas a better boxer than tyson b/c he took him out and KO'd him? I'm gonna answer that question for you and say NO. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:00:50 PM
ali -Pac vs Mayweather no catchweight:  I could not believe Cotto could not hurt Pac I mean Cotto was hitting him with with some great shots but not one time did Pac look hurt. Even the body shots he took like it was nothing unbelieveable. Cotto jab could not miss it was snaping Pac head back every time the as jab I seen drop Clottey a fighter with a great chin didn't stop Pac from coming in. One thing I did see is Pac was having a hard time catching up with Cotto when he he got on his toes and that could be a big problem when he fights Mayweather cause nobody does it better then him.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:01:30 PM
MisterLee adds:  After watching what we've just watched, and comparing resumes... do you guys REALLY think that manny would have trouble with Marquez's last opponents... casamayor and juan diaz? I think not! Would it be worth his time? No! Holler! do you think nate campbell who once ruled the lightweight division would give manny any trouble? No! I'm a fan of tim bradley and Mosley, i would really love to see them have a fight with manny, even tho the former would never happen, but it's always nice to wonder, i like bradley a lot. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:03:41 PM
ali -Pac vs Mayweather no catchweight:  I still haven't seen Pac fight a guy with speed and great defense yet that is really going to tell you how great he really is.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:06:59 PM
Frank Z@misterlee:  Well ideally to really cement the legacy manny would clean out at least one divison. he's fought a lot of the best fighters in each weight class but he never sat down and cleaned up a division like hopkins did with the middleweight. sure people are gonna say well what else does he have to do to get credit, what i am saying is that that is what he will have to do to really get mentioned with sugar ray robinson, and leonard as EQUALS. now like i said before, he can still get mentioned with ray leonard if he beats floyd as well as mosley, but he's gonna have to either beat floyd and shane or beat floyd and clean out 140 to me. but it's likely that neither will happen.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:07:34 PM
eric brun:  Hey guys have you seen #1floydfan here? I remember he said Cotto will knock Pacquiao out. I wana hear Roger Mayweather talk again about Cotto stopping Pacquiao.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:09:53 PM
WR:  It's just unbelievable... the legacy- he's a living legend. Definitely.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:21:35 PM
brownsugar@#1PacFan:  fair assessment #1 although I think Marquez and Mayweather are completely different,.. because Mayweather attacks and retreats,.. he'll fight or dance,.. box and slug depending on the situation,.. all on the same night,.. but Marquez needs his opponents to come forward,... I also think Floyd has a solid chin,.. more solid than Cottos.. it was surprising to see Manny absorb some of those hard hooks,.. Manny's the kind of guy who has to be hit repeatedly in order to hurt him,..very strong ,.. ...After the prerequisite posturing and angling for negotiations clout,.. I think Aum and Floyds team will work out an exceptable deal for the fight of the century... potentially tens of millions await both men for such a fight... make it HAPPEN!!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:29:27 PM
MisterLee:  @ ali. Name someone and maybe they'll make it happen! Honestly, mosley and floyd are the fastest welters on the planet, and cotto has outboxed mosley in some rounds, and he was fast enough to catch mosley, but manny boxed cotto's ears off! No one above 130 can match manny' s speed... not lightweight, jr. welter, and/or welter. Come on, he spars with amir khan regularly, and amir khan is a bottle of lightning, SO FAST, and manny can pin him to the ropes and make him pay in sparring. Pacquiao is two times faster than mayweather, and mays' little lead left hooks, and lead rights are gonna be ineffective. The lead left will be vulnerable to manny straight left or right hook. The key to breaking mayweather's defense is the right hook over the top like oscar did. Floyd will see 3 of manny at the same time, and will not know which side to shoulder roll, and if you're too busy shoulder rolling, you ain't gonna counter. Ali, i see you as a floyd fan, but at least you ain't nut hugging. Have a good one!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:35:09 PM
ricky hats on:  i wonder where most of the pac haters go? the likes of SOHK?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:35:18 PM
clean up?:  @frank z: Do you think it is worth the while of packy to clean up a division at this time? Do you think packy's legacy still not cemented today because he has not cleaned up a division? IMO, every boxer's legacy is cemented in their own ways. IMO, we should rather think that previous great boxers did it in their own way in relation to the circumstances of the era they were fighting. Today's era is different from yesterday's era. And today's era will be different from tomorrow's era. There is no good reason to exact the same level of achievement if there is no exact and the same circumstances in order to achieve it.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:38:16 PM
Banjo Lee:  come on guys... do not take the bait. how can we expect a good fight from Mayweather if he will be running the whole night... ha ha ha. Mayweather is a robber in broad day light. He is a sneaky businessman. He will just run away with our money. Mayweather family, they talk too much.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:39:51 PM
fred vil:  I am surprised to hear Santiago said he never expected pacquiao to be stronger and hit harder. Ow come on Santiago! Pacquiao has proven that he is, fight after fight after fight. Also, his victory over Miguel (I have a lot of respect for Miguel), is the total sum of many things that Pacquiao and Freddie have been working hard for. Santiago, you can not turn out something into a very great thing over night. Lessons learned?Please be a gentlemen when engaging a veteran trainer who was a boxer one time. Your victory will be greater when you are considerate and respectful and has proven your point. I hope Miguel can go back to boxing soonest. I think he has great chance of defeating Mayweather.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:42:51 PM
ED:  To all Floyd fans, Floyd isn't great !! He WAS the lb. for lb. king by DEFAULT 'coz after RJJ no one was really there. Look at Floyd's competition and how he wins fights.. cherry picker, boring, runner !! He's got nothing against the PACMAN. For Floyd to be even equal with Manny, he's got to KO a great champ at 154lb.s and 160lbs. He's not capable of this..absolutely not..
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:51:19 PM
navs:  I say bring out floyd, make the ring double the size of a telephone booth and put in a contract to make them fight toe to toe, that goes out for marquez too.....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:56:16 PM
Frank Z@ clean up?:  very true today's era is very different than before the alphabet belts took over, and manny is one of the greatest since the early 80s. BUT, being that the greats of the times when there was one true belt per division did it against all the competition of that era, to truly mention pacquiao with those kind of greats means that he has to have a resume similar. i know what you're thinking, it's impossible to do that with the politics arund today, and that;s exactly the point, we don't have enough information on boxers today to compare them with the willie peps, the sugar ray robinsons, and hank armstrongs. because of that i'm going to steer away from saying stuff like manny pacquiao's a top 5 all time, because the competition from earlier eras was simply tougher. manny has done the best he can given today's circumstances, but you're only as good as the competition you fight, and even though that's not manny's fault, it's what it is.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:02:28 PM
The Best:  speed kills indeed. the problem with cotto is he underestimated pacman before the fight. he thought he can manage pacman speed just like what he did with mosley and juddah, he did not know pacman has the power too. you need to study your opponent again and again with different fights. pacman is not the same when he fought marquez. anyways cotto deserves our respect i hope he is not ODLH-like sour graping after few months etc. i think cotto need a new team. ------------- Collections of funny, weird, informative Videos and Images copyandpasteworldDOTcom
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:10:41 PM
Mr. Ali:  Mayweather who?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:33:10 PM
Jack Cole of LB:  Where are you at Floydfan, Nostradamus, and all floyd nuthuggers? Cotto is over and done with! Floydie, yer next!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:35:59 PM
ReyAlfred:  The Bigger they are .......................... The More pieces they make.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:40:23 PM
deltorro:  Dont bet on it guys, floyd wont fight manny even if its a 90-10 split of purse, it has nothing to do with money as floyd always claims. he was scared to fight cotto then, how do you think he feels about manny now. If arum offers him a 90-10 split in his favor he would say "no, it should be 95-5".that's how scared he is.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:43:18 PM
Juan Pinoy@FrankZ:  Hey FRANK Z, I dont care if PACMAN isn't in your top ten list yet. You are just a blogger and not a boxing expert or historian. I would rather respect Bert Sugar, Larry Merchant or Manny Steward statement about Manny. You get a life in yor lone and insane self undermining Pacmans achievement. What the hell you like Manny to accomplish beat TYSON or Klitschko to get your nod of approval? For us Filipinos Manny Pacquiao just cemented his place as an ALL TIME GREAT in boxing history period. No Ifs no buts he beat all the possible credible opponents in different wieght class. You can issue your hated opinions against Manny but that wouldnt change or rob him of what he accomplished in his career! CLEAR FRANK-Z???
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:51:41 PM
the don:  Oscar said; there 10 Pacquiao's in front of Him
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:04:24 PM
SALT lover:  Concerning the discussion Ali and Mr. Lee are having I have to disagree with what Lee is saying on three things: first about saying that Pacquiao is " two times faster than mayweather". To my understanding they're both pretty even in the speed department, with Floyd edging it. The reason why Pacquiao's speed may look more impressive is because he brings power with it, while Floyd only brings the speed. The other thing is about when Pacquiao "boxed cotto's ears off!", one must notice when you watch the fight you can see that Pacquiao hurt Cotto various times, and even in such conditions Cotto was able to dodge many of Pacquiao's punches (Which, by the way, it showed Cotto's style is not the same as Hatton as many people said he had), and Floyd's way superior to Cotto in defense. And the other thing is about De la Hoya breaking Floyd's defense; it was the De la Hoya's JAB which set up the right hands over the top. De la Hoya's phenomenal jab was what gave Floyd problems in that fight. Anyways, it's too soon to be discussing Floyd vs Pacquiao, but I just wanted to give some pointers on Floyd's abilities soi people don't get carried away. We'll have plenty of times to discuss the fight, if it becomes official (And I think it will), and I can assume the negotiations will probably be as hot as the fight itself. But we'll have to wait and see.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:05:59 PM
cloverant:  Cotto was half right when he said that there's only him and Manny Pacquiao on the ring, and that no one can help Manny or give him anything to hit him. It turned out to be correct except that it was him who needed help. The next blockbuster is the Pacquiao-Mayweather. The attacking genius vs. the defensive genius. I can't wait to see this fight!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:16:37 PM
Isaiah:  Manny is only as good as the competition he faces and with wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya and now Miguel Cotto, he's earned his spot, whereever it will be.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:36:40 PM
Marco Polo:  Even though the fight between MP and FMJ is alot harder to close the deal. im hopin it will materialize before the global warming eats up the world.. so that the survivors will have sumtin to talk about.. make the fight dammnit
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:05:15 PM
otic:  where is Zab judah, paulie malliagni anyway?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:06:15 PM
SALT lover@Marco Polo:  That wa sa really HOT comment...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:14:31 PM
Robert Curtis:  Never forget that Borges predicted against Manny when he fought DeLaHoya. Ron had this particular fight right, but the prediction was already in the pocket for anyone with half an eye on the game. Manny is the PFP great and anyone waffling on that is a jealous schmuck. I'm still surprised that Cotto hung in so long. But after the Margarito cheeto incident, Cotto had to prove his guts.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:23:16 PM
TURBOCAP:  There are still a lot of STUPID people out here who still doesn't believe how great Pac is…. From the time he fights Barrera (2003), no body in favors with him, and then Morales and Marquez…. Still they don’t believe him, then Oscar (who doesnt admit how hard the punches he recieves) and then Hatton and Cotto.... Now they still say Manny is not good enough! Everytime he fights a bigger oppenents, he gets wilder! So it's time SHUT-UP the Mayweather monkies Family's mouth!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:33:26 PM
Robert Curtis:  Manny had an impressive cauliflower ear. I spotted it and pointed it out to some grossed-out women at the fight night party I attended. Hopefully, Manny can use his big P4P bucks to have that repaired and drained or whatever they do. If those brutalized ears harden, they are stiffer than fried pork skins and will snap off at any assault. Yep. This is the street reality of the rough underpaid sport we all adore. I love Manny.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:47:59 PM
MisterLee:  Who's begging who now? Mayweather wants the fight right away for a few reasons: 1.) he is no longer the big money seller or attraction 2.) he wants to be manny's next opponent, and he wants manny to be his next, if manny picks someone else the opportunity is lost 3.) mayweather is still avoiding mosley if he can. IF manny picks mosley, or someone other than mosley, or mayweather, Mayweather would be FORCED to fight mosley, b/c you know he ain't gonna fight tall sally (williams) nor clottey nor any other tough welters for smaller scrap. Floyd, beware what you wish for! If Floyd loses to pacquiao, his invincibility would be ruined, b/c he's been banking on his undefeated record for too long, and that he's "faced the best" which is false (come on, hatton at welter is like urango at welter, INEFFECTIVE! tell that to berto!). Well, anyway, there are two opponents Floyd will never have to face and we are left to wonder: cotto and margarito. Sad, i would really liked to have seen them fight when they were all in their primes. Now the time is passed, the last variable is waiting for mosley is too old, then either fighting him or letting the fight pass. SAD SAD SAD. Way to stink it scare!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:53:18 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @Ali, I agree with you that Manny's next opponent shouldn't have to go down 147 to make the fight. Everyone in their right mind should know Manny can handle these guys at the division. Cotto did hurt Manny a couple of times in the mid-rounds but Manny fends them off by trading blows for blows. His offense creates his defense. Like I said before that this fight is going to be like Ali vs Frazier Slick boxer vs Boxer-puncher. But this time the boxer-puncher will prevail to the end. @brownsugar, I think I got carried away a little bit there. But they are both great counter-punchers that's for sure. I have yet to believe in Floyd's chin because he hasn't really been hit by a true welterweight. I don't think he'll exchange with Pac if they fought cause we know Manny would win in that category. Floyd must be on his toes while Manny needs to assert his jab to set up his lead lefts. Floyd is very vulnerable to the jab which sets up lead rights as we saw Oscar become effective with this. Manny has had difficulties with boxers who can counter-punch like Marquez and Morales. If Floyd can win the early rounds he can have a more desperate who will begin to chase him down. @MisterLee, I think Manny would've disposed Casamayor and Diaz so easily. We know that Diaz is a straight forward fighter who can't box on his toes. That's Pacquiao's specialty. Casamayor is a weak chinned old man who nearly survived against Katsidis. Campbell would've been competetive but he also gets carried away and trades punches. I don't mind watching Bradley and Pacquiao square off though. Last but not least P4P TSS Reader TopNotch Fe'Roz, great post! Everytime I read your post it's like I picture it in my head. Your words come to life. I think the only way we see Mayweather fight Manny is if he's in desperation mode. If PPV numbers are bigger than Floyd's then I think he has no choice but to receive half of the pie.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:04:28 PM
Rico Filipino:  The humble shall be exulted, and the exulted shall be humbled. What sets apart Pacquiao's greatness from ANY boxer is his innate HUMILITY, he never predicts a fight against his foe, he does the talking with his hands, ONLY inside the ring. Even every fight that he had won, you wont hear him bragging, he would usually say that he just got lucky for the win..what a class. Lastly, whenever he fights and climb the ring he prays that none gets in danger including his foe. Even the greatest did not have that trait of Manny Pacquiao. I thank god for giving us Filipinos, a great boxer in Pacquiao. Mabuhay Las Islas Filipinas!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:32:26 PM
Fe'Roz @ #1 Pacfan:  Thanks and Congratulations. I love Manny but you have put your good name on his success. So reap the rewards. As for 'half of the pie', the only way that happens is if Manny gives it to Floyd (and to us, the boxing fans) as a gift of generosity. Manny is boxing's star nonpareil. He is the Face of the Game. He holds all the cards. But thankfully for Floyd, he likes to fight. And I mean fight. So he will even if it requires parity in negotiations. If I was Arum, I would make him twist. If I was Oscar, I might let him also. Golden Boy could make more money letting their stable-mate and partner, Shane Mosely, fight Floyd first. The money would be huge. The winner, or both for that matter, gets to fight against Manny. That's three fights instead of one. All Great.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:14:14 PM
asss:  where are those writers that said cotto is too strong for pcman, those said that cotto will tko pacma? where are those? did they spent all tere money for cotto in the fight? how poor they are...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:30:46 PM
Eastar:  I picked Cotto in the last minute. But alas, he's still a bum.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:30:46 AM
Eastar:  I picked Cotto in the last minute. But alas, he's still a bum.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:30:52 AM
JR255:  @Aaron: Torrecampo has long since passed away so no rematch with him. Pacquiao was just a poor skinny boxer at that time, though having a fever and tooth infection, he had to fight or else he'd go hungry. As with Singsurat, Pacquiao's handlers forced him to starve for 3 days and made him vomit on the final day before the fight just to make the weight. Sure enough just one body punch from Singsurat KO'ed Pacquiao. The only legit loss by Pacquiao was from Erik Morales.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:55:41 AM
Khael:  Although Manny Pacquiao won, i am not so impress of his showing of sometimes he was just standing in front of his opponent exposing himself to danger of being hit by a power punch, furthermore Manny seems not prepared to hunt down his opponent once it starts to run in a bicycle (how if it is Mayweather?). I hope Coach Fredie Roach will correct these flaws, or maybe just a part of their strategy to test the strength of Cotto, hence sometimes he was just standing in front of Cotto and inviting him to punch him. Anyways, Congrats Manny for accomplishing your task, still the bottom line is Winning, a Win still a Win no matter how you did it. GOD Bless you always.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:56:38 AM
denzxl:  yeah PBF can outbox PAC, but the real question is how long? Sure he can counter punch PAC scoring to 1-2 combination but the PAC can fire BACK with a series of 5+ combination PBF loves to lean on the ropes then doing his shoulder roll good defense but surely the PAC can break that wall with the Nonstop Barrage and down goes Mayweather. and quickly bring him to Hospital due to damaged shoulder until the doctor will get force to cut PBF damage shoulder n arms hahahaha
Monday Nov 16, 2009 02:18:00 AM
Fistic Fury:  Manny took some stiff shots in the first half of the fight. This shows 2 things, 1. His defence is very penetratable and 2. He has a better chin than I initially thought... Mayweather vs Pacquiao please...
Monday Nov 16, 2009 02:51:15 AM
EXAMINERAUTHOR:  SENATE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, and, OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT, be ready now with your respective AWARDS, PLAQUE, or CITATION, whatever, to the only human being or FILIPINO, to attain SEVEN (7) CROWNS in SEVEN WEIGHT DIVISION. Something like the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR in the USA, or its equivalent, the highest civilian award that can be given to a citizen. Or, maybe, make him something like THE FILIPINO NATIONAL ARTIST IN BOXING, if that is possible. Di ba merong National Artist in Architecture (Leandro Locsin), Music, Literature, etcetera. I honestly and strongly believe, he more than deserves the award. In fact, he also deserves the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for putting the entire country in suspended animation, almost zero crime everytime he fights and for uniting all Filipinos of all aspirations or walks of life. I hope this little contribution of mine would start the ball rolling for special awards to Manny Pacquiao, not only in the Philippines, but also around the world. SUBRA NA SUBRA NA ANG NAIBIGAY NIYANG KARANGALANG SA ATING LAHAT NA MGA PINOY. WALA KA NANG HAHANAPIN PA. Nang dahil sa kanya, alam na ng mundo kung ano ang TINOLANG MANOK AT PRITONG ISDA, PINOY, at iba pa. Pati si Madam Auring alam na ng Mundo kung sino siya. He placed the Philipines and everything Filipino in the consciousness of the world. [Other than just being CAREGIVERS and MAIDS like what foreigners regard us]. How about an HONORARY FILIPINO CITIZENSHIP to Freddie Roach?
Monday Nov 16, 2009 03:04:38 AM
King of Kings (pacWOW):  You are all foolish... No one can beat mayweather other than Usain Bolt. If mayweather will accept the challenge against pacquiao... mayweather will request for a bigger ring 40x40 or 50x50 other than the usual 20x20 size because he can't run to pacman on 20x20 ring. or mayweather will request for a handicap match. fight of the year: Floyd Mayweather Jr Mayweather Sr. Roger Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao or Mayweather will challenge pacquiao for a dance showdown in the ring. Manny will loss to mayweather for sure. Now you know!!!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 04:10:35 AM
Pokwang:  We will boycott boxing if Pac-Mayweather will not happen next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe me when I say!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:51:48 AM
Matthew:  An incredible win for Pacquiao. This, to me, solidifies his status as an all-time great and the best fighter of his era. I picked Cotto to win, and I couldn't have been more wrong. Pacquiao and Roach deserve a world of credit for beating a top-notch, world-class welterweight at or near his prime. That is FAR more than Mayweather has accomplished. I was amazed at how well Manny took Cotto's shots in the early rounds, but he proved that he has an excellent chin. I think Bayless did the right thing in stopping the fight, but Cotto's corner should have stopped it sooner, possibly as early as round 9 or 10. Cotto deserves credit for staying in there, but it was clear that he was fighting to survive rather than win. The last few rounds looked eerily similar to the Margarito fight. It will be interesting to see where both men go from here. Cotto took a beating, and he could use a long rest. Hopefully Pacquiao and Mayweather can fight next year. I believe Manny is up for it, but the ball is in Floyd's court.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:01:15 AM
Frank Z @ Juan Pinoy:  look .... it's not hating on manny to say he's not a sugar ray robinson, if you go back and read my comments in these articles i was more than complimentary about manny's speed, power, skill and toughness. if you can't handle someone trying to give an objective viewpoint, then i suggest you move on to a thread where's it's all Pac nuthugging all the time. TSS threads are meant for people who appreciate this game and appreciate the big picture. you don't have to care about what i say about manny's place in the all times, but just know that i'm not gonna take seriously anything you say about boxing from now on.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 09:00:36 AM
zdrx:  cotto used the mayweather shoulder roll defense in the later part of the fight. it didn't work. i wonder if mayweather will use that kind of defense in fighting pacman. because if he do, he will be destroyed
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:23:08 AM
the good doctor:  I am a big Cotto fan however I did pick Manny to win this one. As for Cotto, I don't think this fight makes him a bum because he was beaten by an exceptional fighter. Cotto had his flashes of brilliance as evidence by Manny's face post fight, but Manny was too much. I hope that my boy can pull a Shane Mosely and rejuvenate his career but if he doesn't he has an impressive fight record nonetheless. I also respect his humility and class after the fight. As for Manny what can you say that hasn't been said. He deserves all of the accolades he gets and is easily the best boxer we have seen over the last 15 years. I put his name on the all time great list in pencil as he can still add to his legacy or detract from it with Mosely, PBF, Clottey, and an improving Berto still looming as well as a third time with JMM. But as of right now, Manny is a the top of the game when considering the mix of record and skill. As for the Manny v Mayweather talk my opinion is simply that we have no idea. Neither of them has faced a fighter of that talent level, not to mention that I'm not sure Floyd is going to fight at 144 or 145 where Manny would like it. Floyd is a defensive monster the likes of which Manny has not seen. Manny is craftier, better coached, and quicker than Floyd has dealt with before. I can't really say who I would pick, but I Floyd will instantly gain more respect from me just for taking the fight. Also for the Floyd detractors, which I am sometimes, if he beats Manny in a reasonable situation (unlike the Marquez fight) decisively, there can be very few knocks on him after that.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 11:07:23 AM
RANCHERO_AFAMADO:  WOW... I CAN ONLY IMAGEN WHAT MAYRUNNER IS THINKING. "SHOULD I RETIRE? SHOULD I KEEP MAKING EXCUSES? MAYBE I CAN FAKE AN INJURY" HA HA HAAA TIME TO FACE THA MUSIC. TIME FOR THAT COCKY , ANNOYING AND SPOILED BRAT TO SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR THE FANS AND FIGHT NOT RUN!!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 02:35:08 PM

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