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Saturday Nov 14, 2009

Is Manny now in your pound for pound top, all-time 5? Steward puts him up with Ray Robinson and Ali...

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PINOY POWER: Manny Pacquiao Manhandles Miguel Cotto, Stops Him in 12th

By Michael Woods

Bring on Floyd Mayweather. Heck, bring on Wladimir and then Vitali Klitschko on the same night. Manny Pacquiao is the top pound for pounder in the world of pugilism today, and weight classes be damned, you have to give the whirling dervish of destructiveness a shot at any pro in the game today. The Filipino had too much speed, power and footwork for WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto at the MGM Grand on Saturday night, and after notching knockdowns in the third and fourth, Pacman made it official with a 12th round TKO, as the ref stepped in to save Cotto from absorbing more of the Filipino's fury. The win gave Pacquiao his seventh title in seven different weight classes, and solidified his standing as boxing's torch bearer.

 It will be up to Mayweather to take the torch from him. And yes, both Klitschkos on the same night, or giving Manny a chance against any pro out there is indulging in a bit of hyperbole, but would some of his countrymen bet on Manny to whip 'em both? Yes...and I might toss a few bucks down as well. 

Many fight fans are tonight soaking in the win, and feeling that much prouder to enjoy the sweet science, because it is that much easier today to defend your attraction to the savage science with such a decent soul as its top ambassador. Humble, selfless, joyful, spiritual and yes, one helluva athlete: it is easy to root for Pacman, and actually, nearly impossible, unless you are a diehard boxing abolitionist.

Cotto started off solid, but once Manny got warmed up, he was in another zone. Pacman landed 336 of 780 punches while Cotto hit with 172 of 597 tosses. So many of those came from angles which made it impossible for Cotto to pick them up on radar.

Pacman said after to Larry Merchant that it was his intention to take his time. Manny said he tested Cotto's power early, just to see what the Puerto Rican brought to the table. He did admit he wanted to stop Cotto, and thought it would be halted in the 11th.

What's next? Manny said he would talk with promoter Bob Arum, and his family, before settling on the next challenge. Everyone in the building wanted Manny to call out Floyd, but it was not to be. He did say that he think he'll stop out at 147. We'll have to wait for eight, people.



Freddie Roach afterwards said that he was a bit worried when Cotto was having some success early. Next for Manny? "The whole world wants to see him fight Mayweather, I mean, I want Mayweather," Roach said.

Cotto manned up, and chatted with Merchant, showing off his class, if anyone needed more evidence of that. "I will continue fighting," he told Merchant after being asked if this was it. The loser said that he simply didn't see too many of the punches. "Manny is one of the best boxers we have of all time," he said. He said he told trainer Joe Santiago he wanted it stopped after 11, but then decided to soldier on.



The 30-year-old Filipino Pacquiao (144 pounds on Friday) entered with a 49-3-2 record, while the 29-year-old Cotto (145 pounds on Friday), from Puerto Rico,  was 34-1. Manny grinned, and waved at friends and acquaintances as he strolled to the ring, as excerpts from ACDC's "Thunderstruck," and Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" blared. Viewers wondered, was he too loose, not dialed in enough on the task at hand, or was he simply so in flow in his zone that he felt an amazing level of relaxation before undertaking such a massive challenge?



In the first, the lefty Pacman didn't come out blazing as promised. Cotto knocked his head back with a right jab. He looked to be first, trying to tell Manny that it was a mistake to tangle with this strong, prime welterweight. No first round KO, as promised by Pacman trainer Freddie Roach. "Very nice round," said newbie trainer Joe Santiago to Cotto. Both landed 12 punches in the round, for the record. 

In the second, Cotto's jab stood out. But Manny got some combos cooking, too. He ate a left hook, then 30 seconds later, after getting the memo, slithered away from another left hook. Manny had warmed up, started slipping better, and was on the ascent. Manny got the round, easily.




In the third, Manny scored a knockdown, with a right hook. Speed killed as Cotto didn't see it. Two minutes remained. Cotto wasn't folding. He went to Manny's body, and scored with a sweet uppercut, and the last two thirds of the round were tight. 


In the fourth, Manny was moving in and out smartly. Cotto buzzed Manny with 1:10 to go, and then had him on the ropes. A left uppercut blasted Cotto to the floor with 15 seconds to go, though. And it seemed like maybe Manny had tasted Miguel's best and would be able to shrug it off.


 In the fifth, Manny fired and then darted away. Cotto was two steps behind him, too often. His jab was too rare by this time. A Cotto left dinged Manny, but he didn't stay buzzed for more than half a second. Viewers were informed that Manny's dad was on hand, seeing him for the first time ever. They'd been estranged for decades after he left the family.




In the sixth, we saw it all from Manny. Right hook leads, leaping lefts, lead lefts to the body. A left buckled Miguel's knees after he started his now typical late inning retreat. He did score with a clean right near the bell as Manny was on the ropes. But when would he fall for good? 

In the seventh, Cotto went into backpedal mode. Why not change the method because it wasn't working.



In the eighth, Cotto did nothing really but back up. His face was puffed, but his legs were still working, at least. 

In round nine, Cotto came out with more fire. He pumped a jab in the first minute, then started backing up again. Manny had Cotto backed up, looking like a man battling a swarm of bees with a flyswatter. Ref Kenny Bayless looked at Cotto hard, and Miguel winked at him, to signal he was OK. He was not. His wife Melissa and son Miguel Jr left their seat after this round.



In the 10th, Cotto backpedaled. Manny got frustrated but could you blame Cotto? No sir. 

In the 11th, Manny ate a counter left as he looked to end it. Miguel backtracked, hoping to make it through 12. 

In the 12th, Cotto looked to survive. He did not. Ref Bayless halted the scrap as Miguel ate shots on the ropes.



SPEEDBAG In the audience...Magic Johnson, Will Ferrell, Mark Wahlberg, Derek Jeter, Roberto Duran, and Puffy Diddy.


---Jim Lampley and Manny Steward talked what's next for Manny. Steward said the public is calling for Manny-Mayweather. "I think the fight is gonna happen, I think it should be 50-50. He is one of the all-time greats, I put him up with the Ray Robinsons and Alis."


---Merchant in summation said that Pacquiao may be better than it gets, rather than as good as it gets.

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Saul:  Congrats to Pacquiao, he fought a magnificent and entertaining fight. I heard Cotto say he wants Pacquiao's gloves and handwraps checked. (j/k). But I still have to say that I dont agree with the fight being for the welterweight title but not fought at the 147lb welterweight limit, that was foolish for Cotto to agree to and foolish for the WBO to sanction.
Saturday Nov 14, 2009 11:47:27 PM
Jason:  WOW! Let me just say that my pick was Cotto in 9...LOL! Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter P4P of the last 30 years, without dispute, in my opinion. The man is incredible. And, credit to Miguel Cotto, for standing in with that fire. Look, we all can discount Manny's wins against Oscar and Ricky, but we CANNOT discount this one against a VERY TOUGH Miguel Cotto. WOW. Manny Pacquiao is a boxing MENSA.
Saturday Nov 14, 2009 11:48:26 PM
Jason:  Now, the question is will we see Pacquiao - Mayweather? I don't think Floyd wants anything to do with him. Just my opinion.
Saturday Nov 14, 2009 11:51:55 PM
bill major:  i thought pacquiao would do it within 3 and he almost did but give cotto credit. manny is a great fighter ,i knew he would tear cotto up now its time for floyd to put up or shut the f--k up. long live manny pacquiao and God Bless miguel cotto he did the best he could.it was hard to watch when you have such great people fighting. i hope he'll be ok.
Saturday Nov 14, 2009 11:52:00 PM
oskar:  I thought Cotto would go down for good at 8... Well 12 round tko is still good...
Saturday Nov 14, 2009 11:52:06 PM
Fe'Roz :  manny should fight Shane, unify the title....and make Floyd beg.
Saturday Nov 14, 2009 11:55:03 PM
Eastar:  No excuses. Pac is the shit. Only one man standing. and that's $$$$$$$$$$$
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:02:32 AM
DaveB:  Re'Roz, Floyd won't beg he'll just use it as another excuse to avoid a dangerous fighter. He'll probably weep about the money though. Pacquaio is the star.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:05:11 AM
Yuvie:  WOW, what a performance by Pac again. Dude is just unbelievable, I can't believe he took the shots he took and still managed to man-handle & over-power Cotto. What a fight!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:05:44 AM
DaveB:  Sorry Fe'Roz, I fat fingered it.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:06:28 AM
Smiley C:  Manny is the man. Money is small change fo' sure!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:08:16 AM
elias:  I predicted this fight for Manny by Tko in round 9 or 11. I was a bit wrong in that it ended early in the 12. Still think it could have gone on the whole round. Cotto was helpless but now hurt, I think he would have appreciated going the distance.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:08:26 AM
Francisco:  Congrats to Pacman. I picked Cotto on this one. I stand corrected. Wow. For the record....COTTO'S FACE LOOKED WORSE THAN IT DID AGAINST MARGARITO. I SAY MARGARITO'S GLOVES WERE NOT "LOADED" in that fight.......
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:11:35 AM
Frank Z :  Incredible display of strength, speed, accuracy, timing, and power from pacquiao, as well as his usual ability to run off continuous 8 punch combos like they're nothing. forget all the talk that's gonna come about cotto being a shot fighter or weight drained or any of that garbage even a 147 cotto before margarito could have lost at least a UD this time around.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:14:21 AM
ultimoshogun:  WOW! Thats about all I have to say about Pacquiao's dominating performance tonight. A showdown with Mayweather NEEEEDS to happen. If Mayweather makes things difficult then Sugar Shane should be next in line, but the Mayweather fight is the one I'd like to see.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:15:35 AM
TotoyBato:  Miguel did us proud, he fought gallantly like all island born fighters are supposed to do. There is no shame in tasting defeat from the GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:21:34 AM
Fe'Roz :  Actually, I am among the minority who could care less if Manny never gives Floyd a chance to fight him. Shut him out. Their styles won't make a great fight so why make us watch. Fight real men, Manny. Guys willing to fight all takers. Like the welterweight champion Shane Mosely.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:22:36 AM
Frank Z :  Mayweather has to agree to fight pacquiao, and probably agree to a minority split. no more feeding knowledgeable fans BS about how he's a bigger draw than pacquiao, no more BS about how manny takes drugs, stuff which is based off of absolutely nada. no more BS about how manny's lost to erik morales so therefore he's not worth fighting. please floyd, cut the crap, sign the contract, pacquiao's proving he's an all time great, you need to fight him to prove you're one also.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:26:39 AM
TotoyBato:  Manny Pacquiao is amazing. Freddy's instructions was to make Miguel quit. Manny carried Miguel throughout the fight and delivered punishment that would make the normal boxer quit. Miguel was ready to quit @ rd 6, but he had heart to take all 12 rds. Manny Pacquiao is the GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:29:41 AM
The Saint:  Cotto found SOME success with running. That ought to encourage Mayweather to fight Pacquiao at a reasonable purse split. However, I don't think it'll be good fight at all. Mayweather is three times the boxer Cotto is and has a great chance of beating Pacquiao, although Mayweather has less than a third of Cotto's power. I'm not making picks, but I've no doubt that it'd be a boring fight.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:29:47 AM
TotoyBato:  Joe Santiago needs to be fired!!!! There's no need for a boxer to take tremendous punishment when there's absolutely no chance for a win.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:30:20 AM
Fe'Roz @ dp69:  Don, Sunday brunch @ the Lee residence is all island food. It features balut , the fertilized duck (or chicken) egg with a nearly-developed embryo inside that is boiled and eaten in the shell......in a crow sauce piquante....with a home cooked side of fried plaintains. Bring all you boys. Holla. pc
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:31:42 AM
Smoke:  Manny is the man, screw Mayweather. Not even in the same league. There are plenty of hungry exciting fighters in both the Jr WW and WW division that Manny can choose from. Although like most, I would love to see Manny dismember Mayweather.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:32:11 AM
BIGFREDO76:  Its to easy Manny did all this with nearly half of the people doubting.He had porkchop for dinner and that was good enough for me.EAT CROW haters Cotto is washed up he never fought anyone of this caliber and he will never again.Cotto only fought 3 respectable fighters before this fight and look what his face looked like a side of mashed potatoes with corned beef hash.YUK!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:32:34 AM
dp69 at the strip :  Wow....thats all i can say....F******g pacquiao is the truth.....congratulation to pacquiao....much respect....i was wrong....so im gonna man up....as for cotto?....keep your head up.....you are still a puerto rican icon and a true warrior.....you earn your respect....and you fought the best.....aint nothing to be a shame of....@Fe'Roz.....i agree with u....make scareweather beg his @$$ off....i say pacquiao fights mosley next and try to unified the division....and then fight scareweather.....but i dont think scareweather has the BOLAS to fight the REAL P4P CHAMPION.....congratulation manny.....holla back!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:35:39 AM
arturo:  im early for the CROW BUFFET!!! Manny IS GREAT and if he can beat Floyd he could be THE GREATEST.If a catchweight is the only way Manny will fight ,then Floyd should not fight cause it will weaken him.Im glad that Manny is the face of boxing cause Oscar cant compare to anything that Pacman does in the ring.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:36:43 AM
Smoke:  Cotto should now fight Hatton. Battle of the Pacquiao plundered.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:37:56 AM
SALT lover:  Congratulations to Pacquiao on this tremendous performance. I wrote it in the 'No Drinking of Yellow Substances in Yankee Stadium', this fight was the last and True test of Pacquiao's legitimacy of whether he was the great fighter the World was saying, and he did showed his enormous caliber. Now there's no more room in belittle him anymore, at least in one has good mind sense. Cotto came into the fight in a superb condition at 145lbs, and Joe Santiago, even though the loss, I think he did pretty a good job. From 2nd round, Cotto tried to impose his strength and his bigger frame, and Pacquiao's speed was just too much for him, and that was the defining moment of the fight, and the rest was history. Cotto also showed pretty good boxing skills, avoiding many of Pacquiao's shots, which showed Cotto's style is NOT similar's to Hatton who has not head movement, but it wasn't enough. Seven Championships in seven Weightclasses is unique and a one of a kind achievement. Now the biggest fight (No matter the criticism and the attacks against Floyd) standing is Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0). But the negotiations, as Jim Lampley said, are easy to predict they're going to be chaos.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:38:55 AM
ali:  Pac is a beast a all-time great without a doubt. Now when Mayweather beats him I do not want to here he's too big for him cause Pac proved he's can take a real welterweight punch. I look forward to the biggest fight in boxing history Mayweather vs Pac and may the best man win.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:39:04 AM
Marco Polo:  Manny has proven that he has power and great chin. What a show.. boom boom pac
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:39:53 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  There's no word to describe the dominating performance Pacquiao displayed tonight. If you're one of the old school boxing fans who have witness guys like Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, and Arguello. Then you have better take a closer look at this great little man by the name of Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao. The man has defied all odds and continues to lengthen his legacy. Watching Pacquiao is like watching those greats in the 70's and 80's. Tonight he became the only man to win his 7th World Title in as many divisions and becoming the only one to win four lineal titles in different divisions. I would say that's monumental!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:41:57 AM
dp69 high and drunk:  lmfaoooooooo....look who came out the closet....easter bunny and lilpendeja76.....lol....listen susia....atleast i have the bragging rights to say that cotto fought the best and never backed down.....not like your b!tc# scareweather who hasnt fought anybody good.....so do me a favor and take your wifey easter bunny and go back to the closet where ya belong....the wolves are talking now....your bedtime is up.....go pipi mimi.....holla back!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:44:11 AM
Jason:  I'm in awe. This was a HISTORIC accomplishment tonight. Manny Pacquiao is the gold standard of boxing, period. I'd take him over Floyd (no, I'm not just jumping on the bandwagon). In my humble opinion, I don't think Floyd could STOP Cotto (and maybe not even decision him), let alone brutalize him. Miguel Cotto was no slouch. I hope that fact isn't lost. Miguel Cotto is a top welterweight, still, he just got beat by this generation's Sugar Ray Robinson. I am very curious to see Floyd's reaction to the coming firestorm. He does NOT want Manny, I think that's clear. He will negotiate his way out of this fight (demand a 75/25 split, even though he's been surpassed by MILES by Manny). Who has Floyd fought? Baldomir? Gatti? Hatton (at 147 no less)? I would LOVE to see Manny KO Floyd. Love it! Manny's already beaten a better guy than Floyd ever fought at welterweight.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:47:51 AM
1:  Wow! Two extra tough fellas. Thought Cotto looked much better than expected early. Then that amazing little fella went to work. Congrats to Team Pac-Man, as well to Cotto & Company. Nothing to be ashamed of Miguel.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:50:25 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  I remember saying 2-3 years ago that a Pacquiao-Mayweather should happen at 140. Many of you laughed at me. That statement has become a reality today. Give me credit, I knew what my man was capable of. If the fight was to take place it should be at 147. We already know Floyd is not or can't make 144. If that fight was to happen I take Manny in a hard fought close decision. Manny showed he can take a punch from the best of him but he can chase and hunt down Mayweather. That would be a difficult task.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:52:42 AM
Fe'Roz :  Manny comes to fight. Floyd to profile. With no desire to clash yet lots flash off he runs....with our cash. He holds no title yet loves to trifle. Make him earn a belt. See how he fares. Then, before deciding his share, see if and how much we still care .
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:52:47 AM
Jason:  No doubt PacFan, NO doubt! Congratulations brother. Manny Pacquiao is the man! What I respect so much about him is his eagerness to take on the best. No questions asked. And Miguel Cotto is a beast. He's a hell of a prizefighter. There's no asterisk on this win. As for Mayweather, I hope it happens, but I think Floyd avoids this to no end. He'd rather call out Vic Darchinyan, whereas Manny jumps into the fray with the elite of weight-classes he's never touched. Incredible. Top-notch Canastota stuff.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:54:38 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  It was so difficult to see Cotto who is one of my favorite boxers take that kind of punishment. I was hoping that some would've stopped that fight in the 9th. But Cotto, being known for a great warrior that he is went out on his shield. Cotto's best chance was to box him and make Manny wear himself out by chasing him. He was effective at times when he fought backing up but Manny throws a lot of punches. Floyd will want to fight Manny next because he saw that Manny can still be vulnerable when on the attack.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:58:50 AM
ali @ Pac Fans:  Congrats to your boy Pac he ain't nothing to be played with. Lets just do a 50-50 split and save all the bull$hit or a 60-40 if there's a KO and make the fight happen. Im not worried Mayweather will do what he's got to do to make the fight happen and the world will really see who's the better fight i still believe it's THE PRETTY BOY.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:59:11 AM
ali:  I THINK THE WEIGHT WILL BE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THE PAC VS mAYWEATHER FIGHT WILL HAVE JUST WATCH AND SEE
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:06:53 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  I would like to congratulate all of the Pacquiao and Cotto supporters on here. As boxing fans, tonight we won big time. Two of the most exciting fighters took us back into time. We can sleep well tonight and say that our fighter gave their all.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:07:37 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @Ali, a 50-50 is the best possible agreement and 60 to the winner if ended by KO. Fight of the Century.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:10:36 AM
ali:  Cotto is one of me Favorite fighter ever I got much love for the boy he never goes out little a bitch reminds me so much of the late great Diego Corrales R.I.P homeboy.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:12:59 AM
arturo:  i hate the way Merchant always asks the loser 'Are you going to keep on fightng?' i feel like Cotto has a few good fights in the tank.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:13:20 AM
The Saint:  I want to hear the comments of Mayweather Sr., Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley and Angelo Dundee!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:20:10 AM
Fe'Roz :  There is nothing Manny can lose fighting Floyd, win or lose. He has nothing more to prove. Floyd, on the other hand, loses everything .... if he loses to Manny. Manny is a proven ATG. There can be no denying it. The fighter of this generation. Floyd might be able to beat him in the ring.... but by not challenging Manny and beating him Before he gained his seventh belt, Floyd will be a footnote to Manny's place in history. Manny is now an institution. The standard by which all boxers of this and future generations will be measured
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:20:11 AM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:  Congrats to your boy Pac that motherf**cker is the real deal im a bigger fan of him then I've ever been I can't wait for that fight with Mayweather it's going to be a all-time great fight. You know why I say that cause Pac is going to force Mayweather to fight a faster pace then he's used to. But Mayweather is going to show him angles and speed that he ain't use to I really think this is going to be a super fight. BOXING IS THE BEST SPORT IN THE WORLD BAR NONE!!!!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:22:23 AM
oskar:  Cotto is still a top fighter he just can't see the punches because of the speed and angles plus the power which makes it more difficult. Props for Cotto for giving his all and he didn't stop the fight. Bring on Floyd jr, if he ask for the moon Mosley could be next just drop Berto.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:30:19 AM
brainbashedbritboy:  Without a doubt Manny is up there with the greatest, 7 titles from 7 different weight classes, id have him at the very top! There is no one in the history of boxing that has comprehensively beaten such opposition through so many weight classes. His achievements have been amazing and are matched by no one, the opposition has been of such calibre he overshadows every other great in boxing, Ali set the standard and now Manny has just raised it !
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:32:23 AM
ricky hats on:  where are the talented and briliant bloggers who used to say that pac would lose should cotto becomes his next opponent?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:33:18 AM
Eastar:  @ dp666: I told you a while back. Miguel Quitto is OVERRATED. He quit yet again. Now, we can finally put to rest that Margarito was cheating against Quitto. Coocho got beat up by lesser opponents in the past. Floyd "Money" is in a league of his own. No comparisons. Lets get it on. Only one man standing UNDEFEATED, Floyd "Money'.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:33:34 AM
Marco Polo:  Joe santiago is ready and waiving the white cloth to stop the fight but the referee and the ring doctor told him that cotto can still fight.. what a chin and display of power from the lil big man. Cotto?real warrior and big heart. and a sport man. well manny can sing and perform now in mandalay bay with his band. i got my money's worth? bout mayweather? forget about.. make shane mosley happen.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:33:56 AM
Insideinformation:  Inside info on contract Cotto could not gain more then 5 pounds after the weighin. weights never mentioned
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:34:10 AM
TotoyBato:  Don't soil this warrior discussion by mentioning Mayweather's name (he does not matter, he does not belong). If ever Mayweather were to be considered as a worthy (by the dictates of fools) opponent for the GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME, he should get no more than 20%.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:37:36 AM
Eastar:  Oh, and good night to the great PR hope. Maybe ya'll will get another one in a good 20yrs from now LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:40:29 AM
Radam G - it always about da luv and having good character:  Nothing for this Pinoy to say. The fight was out of sight. Editor Mike can put Pinoy Power in his headline and it is all right. Two great warriors fought tonight. Someone had to lose and someone had to win. They will both be back. It is time for me to go sing with Manny. And to anybody, I am not to going attack. It is all about Pinoy Power, and we don't roll that way. The most in Pinoy Power is in the character. Miguel Cotto is a great warrior, winner who will go down in history as such. He has zero quit! And about him, only a stupid a$$hole would talk $hit. Time to sing and dance my Pinoy bootah off. dp69 come on over to the Mandalay. Pinoys and Ricans, It's PARTY TIME! Sleeping is for the dead right now! Holla!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:46:33 AM
arturo@fer'oz:  why would you want to see Pacman against a man past his prime? Mayweather Is the man to beat Pacquiao and vice versa.One of the biggest fights is in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT IS IN THE HORIZON. i think there is something to prove if he fights Floyd .IT WOULD BE HIS MOST DIFFICULT OPPONENT. r u saying that he is done with what he was meant to do and nothing matters?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:56:15 AM
oskar:  Pacman weigh 149 on fight night.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:00:11 AM
Fe'Roz :  No Arturo. That's no what I am saying. I am saying the Manny in the eyes of all, both inside and outside of boxing, is the Star. The star who has not simply proven his greatness...but has assumed his position among the greatest....of all time. By comparison, now that Manny had achieved titles in a 7 weight divisions, Floyd is but a footnote to Manny's chapter in history. By having challenged and beaten many of the best in every one of seven divisions, Manny has achieved something Floyd will never do. In fact, by fighting JMM and not accepting Shane's challenge, Floyd has lost any real leverage. Moreover, he is not even a current title holder. Manny could put Floyd on ice. He arguably should. He could shut Floyd out and take on Shane Mosely, the true welterweight Champion, himself. After all, Shane is the champion Floyd could have fought before Manny took on and beat Miguel out and won title #7. Now Floyd is on the outside. Too clever by half. Make him twist. Ice him. Give Shane the fight the deserves, not Floyd. You earn shots at the title. Victories over Hatton and JMM don't pass that test. They look good on the resume and his undefeated record. But so does 41 wins with no defeats on Chavez Jr's.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:17:42 AM
in touch:  A great performance by a legend! Everyone, when u r betting, pls take note what Angelo Dundee predicts and go the opposite. Dundee is losing all credibility, thanks to this amazing man named pacquiao. Respect to Cotto, his heart is as big as his body. Joe should have stopped the fight. Pac showed more in this fight than against dela hoya and hatton. here pac showed that he can take a punch, withstand a bigger man's assault, and find a way to overcome it. he also showed that he can walk a bigger man down. this on top of his speed and combos. He could have slipped more jabs, but cotto has one of the best jabs in the game. not bad for a man moving up 7 weight divisions.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:19:51 AM
Robert Curtis:  Manny belongs right beside Henry Armstrong, Ike Williams, Roberto Duran, Robinson, Ali, you name the great fighter. If they carve a Mt. Rushmore for boxers on some mountaintop, Manny should be one of them. He is a true all time great in anyone's history book. This is such an exciting time in boxing history. May the era of Manny span a few more fantastic years. As wildly entertaining as the main event was, what a weak and miserable undercard. Lame boring fights. Chavez Jr. got a gift decision. Only someone blind or bribed saw that fight for Chavez. I kind of agree with Fe'Roz on Manny vs. Sugar Shane. It would be a damned good fight. Plus scareweather hasn't exactly been earning his stripes lately. Let him sweat a while longer.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:27:51 AM
Fistic Fury:  Respect to Cotto, he showed guts but I still think he's very fragile. Every punch Manny landed he looked like he might go. His face swells to a crazy degree, I mean I know he took alot of punishment but he looked like a bus hit him face on and he did against Margarito as well. When he boxed in small patches he had his successes but in the early rounds Manny was definitely using the rope-a-dope, he was standing in front of Miguel with a strong gaurd and Miguel was just punching his arms and by round 3 was already puffing and blowing. Anyway Pacman and Floyd need to glove up, just do it 50/50 and both will earn career high purses because the fight will be a new record for revenue from a prizefight...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:38:01 AM
arturo @feroz :  you are right about Manny being able to call the shots. He took great hits from Cotto as he did from JMM,Barrera,Morales etc. and they will take their toll especially if he fights Mosley next (unless its at a trapweight).He is human after all . I would to see two of the best while they are at their best.That is why Mayweather vs Pacquiao is what boxing deserves.We dont get SUPER BOWLS every year or a WORLD SERIES.This fight would be bigger than all of that
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:42:08 AM
#1floydfan:  ahhhhhh #@%$ that cottos damaged goods thats all i can say......he shoul've never taken this fight with his limited skillabilities.....now they got another 1 up on money may no thanks to this guy........he's just a bigger version of ricky hatton if ya ask me........cottos got no staminer @ all.....he was breathing heavy in just the 5th round........how many Ks a day he been runnig 2?.......after witnessing cottos demise i know for sure floyd would whip this guy......pacquiaos powers overated.........what happend to the 1st round KO?......he wouldn't be able to land half of those on floyd......ima 100% sure of that..........now it's our turn.........floyd will put this guys fire out garuntee
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:44:43 AM
Eastar:  Congratulations to the 6 time world champ in as many weight classes and 1 time champ at 145lbs. catchweight. Manny Hype-uiao. woo-hoo
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:46:38 AM
Smiley C:  Maybe Pacquiao and Mayweather should fight at a catchpurse. Winner take 80 percent, loser take an butt beating and 20 percent to buy some bandage and medicine fo' sure!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:57:43 AM
MisterLee :  @ #1 floydfan, you're a fool! Read my last comment on the Prediction page by Michael Woods, the one that says many fools will jump on the bandwagon after manny loses, and make an excuse "cotto was damaged goods". Wow! Big surprise, we knew this coming into the fight... he was 70% shell of a fighter, mostly psychological, and that he was a little weight drained at 145, but like MOST of you said, OH NO, it's just one lb. less, cotto will wreck manny, manny only has ability to decision or ruin cotto on Cuts, WRONG pple! Oh no, cotto is no hatton-de la hoya: answer: YES! He was another hatton de la hoya,a good fighter and a hand picked opponent by freddie, a game opponent, but flawed. Mosley would tear Pacquiao's arse up any day, that's why cotto, pacquiao, and scareweather will ALWAYS avoid Mosley in 2010, he's too good!!! too sad.. ANYWAY: EVERYONE, here's some Crow! THanks fe'roz, as fellow cooks in the Crow kitchen , we can serve a la crow to all the fools at the TSS U who picked Cotto as the "over powering guy who beat judah" *cough cough*. Even Mr. john nguyen with your little report card, writing is good, grades are bad! I think manny needs a better GPA, and this is not coming from a nuthugger, but a fan! F-lo, you said it from the beginning, congrats on your prediction, Mr. Woods, didn't you call it exactly? The articles leading up the fight were better and better. Liking "Pistol" Rob Maldinich and his articles. Holler Tss Universe! Pacquiao spanked that boricua arse. #1 pacsage, have you upped your record to 47-1? That 1 due to an illegal headbutt, DQ, but it was a hometown decision. Holler! After crow, let's discuss the ward fight, I had Glen johnson wrong last week, ate crow, got ward next week, crow for everyone, including myself! Holler!! @ SPeedbag, donputo was in the audience, forgot the honorable mentions and celebs! holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:15:13 AM
MisterLee adds:  Can we finally give Morales, Barrera, and Marquez more credit for their competitive fights agst manny? Maybe they weren't shot or cheated etc (i know marquez was close), but that they were honestly great opponents who were not "shot", but simply outclassed by someone who was timeless and in an era of his own, while they were arguable and legitimately one of the greatest in their division of their era. However, they could not outclass the pacman, pacman is too much! Hagler said it: "I wanted to be a Pacman, and gobble him up!" Pacquiao sure did it! Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:20:56 AM
MisterLee :  Repost from Friday: " @ ultimoshogun! I'll try to do a little something sumthin'. In all honesty, i never quite recovered from the Sunday punch, thrown from SmileyC and a few others, when I was writing my real long entries (my last one was prolly an early pacquiao hatton article, or the ward miranda fight). Either way, this one has so many dimensions that it's really hard to predict HOW it will happen, but all roads lead to a pacquiao KO, if there were 8 different possiblities, i only see 1 going to Cotto and 7 going to Pacquiao. If cotto is cautious in the beginning, standing in the middle of the ring boxing, pacquiao's jab, left hand, and/or right hook would be too fast for him, if he starts off aggressive and pins pacquiao into the ropes he'll get a right hook counter on the way in, then will get turned, and if he tries to land the left hook to the body too much he'll be vulnerable to a straight left upstairs, or manny circling to his own left and dropping a right hook up top. If it goes back and forth, manny will have the better b/c his hand speed, power, combined with Cotto's weak chin will be a good combination. " TIME TO WATCH THE FIGHT...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:23:50 AM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz : slurring thru a fith of Ron Rico Rum:  Wow,.. what a party,.. what fun,... got to see long lost friends and relatives,... I was the only one of only two fans rooting for Cotto... but Pac would have beat him at any weight,.. Cotto tried....but Pac had tooo many angles... some fool raised a gun after the fight was over... I asked him politely to put it away unless he saw some enemies in the room,.. some Cotto fan take the loss too seriously,.. it's only boxing,... and Manny proved he belongs in the pantheon of boxing legends,.. Cotto will be fine,.. he may get to avenge his loss on Margarito and retire with full honors..... If Mayweather doesnt take the Challenge I will be sorely dissappointed,... but this is Pacs Nite....... good win and an exciting nite of boxing that lived up to expectations.... wheres the Ibuprophen? peace.....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:46:49 AM
MisterLee:  WOw!!!!! This is a great fight! Manny is fighting the perfect fight! Through 3 rounds, manny has shown a lead right hook, which I've never seen, a weird offbeat rhythm and head movement and timing which I've never seen him do (it makes it ever HARDER to predict his bursts of speed), and a semi-peek a boo stance is mobile instead of stationary! Very interesting! Cotto looks like the same as always and really hit manny with some shots in round 2 and 3, but man, manny is a tough guy! I said it before: MANNY IS TOO FAST FOR EVERYONE OVER 130lbs! WILL ANYONE BELIEVE ME? Too fast for mayweather, who had judah give him fits for the first half of fight, and castillo too, what will a bonafide great like manny due to him, rearrange his face, haunt his dreams so that not even his shoulder roll and promoting skills can protect him? Come on guys, let's stop calling mayweather invincible, he's a protected prize fighter, he's never been in deep in the welterweight division, the most loaded division in the sport. You think he gonna take a chance now, even for more money? The guy is shallow, insecure, and unsure of his ring prowess, that's why he's constantly doing "showcase" fights and not doing the real thing. One who thinks his brain and not his heart does not inspire the masses, pacquiao does, and so does Cotto despite his loss.... and Mosley too. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:46:54 AM
MisterLee up to the break'a dawn...:  Man! Wow... can never sleep on fight nights! Wow, who was the idiot who "corrected me" in saying that "when has manny ever hurt someone with an uppercut?" Well, my friend, apparently left uppercut Cotto round 4! Haha, did i not say Manny will pull out Dragon Punch, Shouuryouken!!! (streetfighter 2 reference, capcom: character ken and ryu, 1991). Man, i wasn't sure if cotto fell, or he was just dong his uprock and readying his down rock freeze....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:00:03 AM
MisterLee sorry about gloating...:  Dang... here's a few other points: pple who question manny's power, here you have it. Also, pple who question his defense, he got hit flush next to none thru 4 rounds, is it safe to say that the "brawler" Manny has developed not "good" or "decent" or "fair" defense, but Excellent defense, need i say, GREAT defense? His footspeed, ,his circling and lateral movement with angles, his head movements and slipping, his countering has improved, and now he has a peek a boo stance and rope a dope, was this a psychological ploy to remind cotto of the clottey fight to make him question his own power and endurance, or was this simply another tool to add to his toolbox arsenal. Dang, Manny, who got hit than Defensive Master Clottey, need i say, MANNY HAS BETTER DEFENSE THAN FLOYD!! Defense equals not getting hit, and manny has shown that now agst 3 really good opponents. Just b/c he's an offense force of nature don't mean he can't be an awesome defensive fighter too, which is what he is. Sorry for the gloating, really don't mean to be in your face too much, just so much good stuff i can get from this fight and we can observe. I really feel this it the LAST time pple can question manny. Have a nice day!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:05:29 AM
MisterLee:  Wow this is one of the best fights i've ever seen! What do you guys think of pacquiao hearns? Do you think he would have been able to deal with the long jab and the right hand? Wow, i can never imagine that pacquiao could effective PRESSURE a bigger fighter like in round 6, and basically drop bombs on him like his name was Oscar Larios. I mean this is Miguel Cotto, the guy who breaks guys down. Amazing!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:16:57 AM
ben o'connor:  mayweather wins clear ud vs manny!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:40:50 AM
MisterLee:  Dang Kanye West, the most off topic comment goes to...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:58:01 AM
MisterLee celebrating...:  "Two predictions: Manny inside 8, and crow on Sunday! :)... Friday Nov 13, 2009 07:12:51 PM" Boom* *
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:02:51 AM
arturo @mister lee:  Floyd has the best defense no doubt.Manny got hit hard until Cotto got tired when he had Manny on the ropes in the 4th.That is when the fight was taken over.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:09:16 AM
MisterLee thinks...:  More thoughts... "shot or not shot", cotto is one of the best welterweights in the last 5 years, he still beat mosley clottey, and arguably could beat margarito in a rematch pre-pac, clean fight (well "clean" is a relative term with Cotto, *hahahar*). Let's just say, pac beat some arguably very good and even great competition, let's give himall the credit he deserves, let's say it like it is... he's MAKING fighters shot, really good fighters that rule their divisions with an iron fist (Hatton and Cotto), and let's elevate Morales and Marquez for their superior boxing against Pacquiao. Not just the loss, Morales 2 fought a great fight, with a warrior mentality and a high boxing IQ and an ability to use his size and height to his advantage, and a snappy arse jab, let's admit it. Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighter of all times, just b/c he's not sporting bell bottoms and a bad haircut doesn't mean he doesn't compare to the greats, and i'm including Duran up there. If Duran is the hands of stone, what is pacquiao? Dynamite in each hand? Crapping lightning and shooting thunder? Greased lightning? Chicken catcher? (Rocky 2 reference),. Holler! What do you all think of the stoppage, could cotto have continued to round 12 end, could he have finished on his feet? Was he really done or was he this close to taking a knee like last time? How drained was he? Was he ever recovered from Marg? Does he have a future? That Mosley rematch looks kinda attractive now. So what is it, all roads lead to mayweather, pacquiao, and mosley. Should pacquiao wait for winner of january bout to unitfy the welterweight titles or should he take the fight with mayweather, fight mosley or marquez and call it a career, then wait 2 years and do 3 comeback fights? Holler! SmileyC: please catalog this in the Bible Desk Reference or something. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:10:26 AM
arturo:  no more f!?@ing catchweight fights for Manny , he doesnt need it.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:14:42 AM
Frank Z:  Misterlee's bringing the wood. manny's not gonna be able to win like one of the writers on here said, no matter what he does. if he beats floyd people will say well that's why floyd didn't fight anyone post 135. if he beats shane people will say shane got old overnight. it's alright though, tell me that manny cahn't punch, i'll show you hatton's lights going out. tell me manny's a weak little flyweight, i'll show cotto dancingn away just from manny moving forward.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:14:51 AM
MisterLee battlin', a chachacha:  Yo dude! @ arturo, how many times did cotto buzz manny? LIke 3 times? how many times did oscar buzz or hit mayweather flush? more times than 3! Floyd's shoulder roll has weaknesses, the right hook over top his lowered left hand leaves him vulnerable, marquez hit him with flush rights, it's just the overblown light weight couldn't carry power with his weight. A bona fide welter or jr. middle woulda wobbled mayweather worse than castillo 1! holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:17:04 AM
arturo:  that is a good way to attack Floyd . Mayweather is always walking back but he hardly ever miscalculates his movements.He sets his opposition up for pot shots.No one has ever stopped that strategy.Im also pretty sure that he has better stamina than any fighter.Manny has the speed to beat Mayweather but is that enough?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:37:19 AM
MisterLee @ arturo:  You're right, cotto 's chin and stamina problems have been rampid for athletes that could weather the first 6 rounds. Taylor also has the 6 round curse. Is it a curse, being knocked out and fading, or is like williams said post margarito: "cotto is just a 10 round fighter." Floyd is quite masterful, let's see what he does next. If he takes on manny or mosley next (after seeing this fight, i have a feeling that he might take on mosley after the berto fight, it's safer b/c mosley is "older" and "slower" than he is, and has a huge name). Pacquiao might have to battle mayweather for mosley, b/c we know mayweather might be shoulder rolling in his dreams now... and we know if it's pacquiao mosley, they'll shut out money and he'll have to look for a fight in clottey, williams, quintana, mosley... or jr. middle... a jr. welter will draw too much criticism.... tho a catch weight with casamayor might look tempting....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:48:38 AM
Mullen:  I said this 2 weeks ago, Manny is the best fighter of all time. I'm out !
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:49:07 AM
MisteRLee:  Floyd has great endurance and stamina, the only thing is can he withstand pacquiao's assault? Pacquiao is fast, powerful, and ACCURATE! Would it be a gun fight, or a slow decision? Pc! We know may de la hoya was Def. not the fight of the century! no SRL hearns as they promised, more like the stink of the century! holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:50:07 AM
Mullen:  Manny, Robinson, Duran, Armstrong, Ali, Peak Jones, 1980s Iron Mike Tyson, Monzon, Sanchez, Hagler.. Peace.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:52:06 AM
MisterLee @ Frank Z:  Manny reminds me of a mantis shrimp. It's a small creature, maybe 6 inches long, that can break a crab shell with a single strike with the force of a pistol b/c it's so dang fast, it can cut a diver's finger off with one strike of it's claw or club. It was weird seeing Cotto, huge muscular guy running from this smaller, jerky, and quick guy who was landing bombs... kind of humbling if you ask me. Cotto is class tho.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:23:14 AM
RED:  Simply stated, the best man won. This was Manny's fight to lose. He made sure there was no way that would happen. He did it using all of the skills we knew he has. He did it exploiting all of the weaknesses we all knew Miguel has. Accurate power. Execution of punching in difficult (and hidden) angles. Wicked had speed. When it became clear that Miguel's advantage in size would be no advantage at all, it was all a matter of time. Congrats to Manny on an excellent fight.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:54:37 AM
Marco Polo@Misterlee:  yep so weird coz his runnin against a lil big man.. i never imagined that would happen. i thought manny will just hit den run.. but he showed and displayed a marvelous show when he is playin the hunter.. damn, MP was hit with beautiful uppercut and straights but i never saw him wobbled or hurt.. ummm maybe just his ear. his chin and power are well proven with this fight. damn every pacfans or real boxing fans brain are planted with the left uppercut that sent cotto down. what a warrior and lots of heart by cotto. we all won, and also bob arum.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:13:58 AM
MisterLee:  Deepwater, RED (much respected opinions tho), ready for your crow? Also, Red, didn't you say in some article that manny was no duran srl etc? With no facetiousness on my part, after seeing this performance, how would you rate manny in a welter fight with srl, hearns, and duran at welter jr welter or light weight in their prime? ALso, are there any duran fights i need to clue myself in before making my own informed opinions? Thanks!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:14:29 AM
Yuvie:  Right now I feel happy that I'm in this era, the Manny Pacquiao era of boxing. We won't ever see another fighter like this in a long time so I think we need to just enjoy him and his career. I can just picture 50 years down the line, telling my grand kids about the greatness that was Manny Pacquiao.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:18:03 AM
MisterLee @ MP:  Dude! i never seen a fighter rocked like that in round 4! That uppercut came out of nowhere, i'm sure cotto never saw it coming, and how he cross his foot and fell over, cotto def. lost some of that invincibility that he had when fighitng gomez a year ago. Here's the question, what woulda happened at 147 no catchweight? Do you guys think it would be the same? Also pre marg? Just curious. See ya!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:18:58 AM
Marco Polo:  if i am one of the superstar in boxing, il encourage my fellow superstar boxers that they wont fight PBF. coz hel juz steal some cash from fans.whenever he fights. let warriors fights fellow warriors and those talented but never tested his limit, self proclaim great just melt and retire and handover his property to the IRS.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:21:13 AM
deepwater:  wow is all I can say.what a great fight.cotto has nothing to be ashamed of.i am ready for the crow.manny is the best p4p hands down,no question.a fighter like manny is special.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:22:11 AM
MIsterLee:  So did this fight out sell scareweather vs. canvas kisser? :)
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:23:02 AM
MisterLee @ deepwater:  Despite the victory, i gotta admit, having the right fighter and a catchweight helped the victory. What if cotto at 147, or mosley at 147? or mayweather? No more "what if's" from now on right? Would manny take on the likes of clottey or williams at 147 no catchweight, no criticizing, just healthy speculation and skepticism. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:24:54 AM
MisterLee:  I honestly feel manny would struggle with clottey, mosley, or williams, tho the only guy he'd probably fight would be mosley at some catchweight. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:26:50 AM
oskar:  Manny would do the same to Cotto even pre Marg with no catch weight but Cotto would dance a little later than today. Manny hits harder and faster than Marg with weird angles how can you defend against that? Floyd jr's shoulder roll is tailor made for Pac plus with the bad mouth of his father Pac would go all out against Floyd jr with real bad intentions. I would feel sorry for Floyd jr if he decides to fight the real pound for pound king Manny "pacman" Pacquiao. Mosley will go down too against Pac because unlike Cotto, Mosley opens up a lot more.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:42:04 AM
MisterLee @ oskar:  Vernon forrest at jr. middle was the only guy to down mosley. You really think so? I mean mosley's chin is 1 million times better than cotto's. Bring pacquiao mosley at 147, mosley would spank pacquiao! holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:46:49 AM
MisterLee:  If mosley and brother nazim neutralizes manny's speed, he's a sitting duck. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:47:33 AM
MisterLee:  Mosley has no endurance problem.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:47:52 AM
MisterLee:  And never been knocked out!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:48:14 AM
MisterLee:  Forget mayweather, if manny can beat mosley at 147 before june of next year, i will declare manny the greatest of all time. there will be no excuses, and scareweather would be in the backseat begging for a fight, and Reyes gloves, and the right ringside to fight manny. Actually, a mosley pacquiao fight would reduce mayweather to a whore! Checkmate scareweather!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:49:47 AM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  It's 5am and I have the biggest headache, can u pass me a couple Ibuprophen when u get it B-sug? MisterLee called the money punch "Shrouken" the uppercut. My lead lefts and lead hooks were pretty effective also. I think Mosley would be the most difficult fight for Manny. Mosley possess the type of power that can't be ignored. His boxing skills is underrated. Clottey would not handle Pacquiao's all around speed. I say fight Mayweather who is in his prime then if successful fight Mosley. My only concern about fighting Mosley is tha he is not getting any younger and might be too late for him. Maybe vice versa Mosley and then Floyd. I think Cotto weighing in at 147 would have been the same outcome but earlier stoppage. Manny just needs to realize that he can take this guys at 147 and still beat them.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:57:19 AM
oskar @ MisterLee:  Mosley is riding his win that he got from plaster less Margarito. Mosley got stung by Cotto and I assure you If Manny stung Mosley, the pacman won't stop with just one punch he will unleash combo from weird angles nonstop. Cotto is a better boxer than Mosley and that's a fact. I think team pac will get Mosley if Floyd jr asks for the moon especially when Mosley asks for a fight with Manny even at 140 I guess Manny felt a bit insulted but can't do anything because Arum has set his eyes on Cotto.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:06:02 AM
RED@MisterLee:  My prediction was made more out of respect and admiration for Miguel than out of any belief he would win the fight. That's why, even after saying that the fight was Manny's to lose ever since the contract was signed, I made clear that I would "go out on a limb" for MIguel. If you read some of the comments here, Miguel was made out to be some sort of chump. I felt that was unfair so I went against the grain. After all, if Miguel had won the fight, I would have been a genious, right? As for Manny being in the same category as Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler and SSR, I still believe such is premature. I remember when Tito Trinidad destroyed Fernando Vargas followed by his demolition of William Joppy. The Hagler-Hearns-Duran comparisons rained. The greatest Super Welter ever he was called. Bring on Roy Jones. Bring on Jesus Christ. Sounds familiar? Manny lost (actually was stopped) by unknown fighters in the first 4 years of his career. He then beat a twilight-prime Barrera. He barely won against Juan Manuel Marquez (even though the offcial decision was a draw, we all know one of the judges' scorecard was flawed and Manny actually won the fight). By the way, he got hammered in the latter part of the fight after having JMM almost down and out. He then lost to an older version of Eric Morales. He then got a UD against the TOTALLY past-prime Barrera. He beat an empty-shell De la Hoya, whose only advantage was, again, size. Next was an already damaged and totally overrated Ricky Hatton. As a point of interest, he knocked out Hatton cold with a punch that would have taken anyone out. Floyd, on the other hand, beat Hatton up before stopping him. Manny just beat Miguel Cotto in an impressive, superior and totally dominating performance. One for the ages, no doubt. But just like I cannot call Trinidad the greatest Super Welter ever based on his total domination of Vargas, I simply don't see Manny as being one of the greatest EVER, based on his total destruction of Miguel. Why is Manny being mentioned in the same sentence as SSR, because he came from the 106 pounds all the way up. An impressive feat, no doubt. But he would have to beat the best at his prime to then claim to be the best, (i.e., What Duran did to Leonard. What Leonard did to Benitez. What Leonard/Hagler did to Hearns. What Pryor did to Arguello. What Sanchez did to Gomez. What Frazier did to Ali. Etc., etc., etc.) Does anyone think Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight of all time? How about fighting Roy Jones or even Bernard Hopkins 10 years ago? Does anyone believe that a prime Calzaghe beats a prime Roy Jones? Not likely. Is that Joe's fault? Of course not. Should he be using his victiories over those fighters as undisputed proof of his ALL time greatness? I don't think so. If Manny beats Floyd, then he certainly belongs in the top. If he loses to Floyd, then we'll all be talking about what a great fighter Manny is, not about how Manny is one of the GREATEST ever.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:08:07 AM
deepwater:  Great fight.pac man would of beat anyone 147 or under. last night. he would box circles around clotty. shane has a chance to beat pacman but he would still be the underdog.forget floyd mayweather he will be forgotten in a few years
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:14:19 AM
ultimoshogun:  Yeah, its gonna be interesting to see what happens after Mosley defeats Berto in Jan....now that I think about it I really can't decide who I'd like to see Pacman fight next between Mosley and Mayweather. Both present a big challenge for Pacquiao. Maybe since Mosley isn't getting any younger and is the WW champ he deserves the fight more, but a Mayweather fight would draw huge numbers. I also read somewhere that Edwin Valero was a possible next opponent so who knows what Roach and Manny will decide to do next.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:17:30 AM
MisterLee @ oskar:  "Mosley is a better fighter, that's a fact"... BS... three things to consider: 1.) styles make fights.... that's why pacquiao chose cotto over mosley... cotto has more exploitable weaknesses from pacquiao's style: chin, stamina, defense. Mosley's bad match for pacquiao would be: good chin, speed, power, good endurance. Just b/c cotto lost to marg, and mosley beat marg doesn't make mosley a superior fighter from just that (tho mosley has a greater legacy... would cotto be able to beat a prime de la hoya in 2000? or fernando vargas at jr. welter? or last a decision with a prime Vernon Forrest [RIP] ). See? It's not so easy to say that now that "Cotto is the superior boxer." 2.) Mosley went into the cotto fight underestimating him. Cotto was recently a converted Jr. welter to welter, and mosley was moving down from jr. middle. He thought HE'D be the bigger man, and the stronger man b/c of that factor. 3.) Mosley underestimated Cotto's speed and boxing ability. B/c of that he went in there WITHOUT an effective game plan. He thought he'd out speed the "slower and one dimensional brawler". B/c of that he got the surprise of his lifetime. 4.) Cotto never gave him a rematch (quintana williams 2, marquez vasquez 2, ali frazier 2 & 3 ALL got rematches), but b/c of cotto's style, they knew he would have a short ehelf life, so they kept moving him from opponent to opponent (sort of like what will happen to juanma once he gets to a higher level of competition, like is he ever going to give that Afican fighter a second chance? Nope!) without looking back for rematches with Torres, Corley, or Mosley, or Judah. Now that Cotto is permanently damaged goods, we will NEVER see how he does agst mosley at cotto's best. I feel mosley would have won in a rematch agst cotto pre-marg. I feel that right now, mosley, hell even alfonso gomez would find cotto easy pickin's. Where's Michael Jennings and his belt for another comeback fight? Can Cotto do this all over again? Lemme guess, LIKE Jermain "Good Intentions" Taylor, Cotto would be too stubborn to get a sports psychologist and switch trainers. So simple yet so hard....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:24:09 AM
MisterLee @ ultimo:  Valero beat his grandma or something, so that puts him out of commission for a little while!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:25:18 AM
dp69 with a crazy hangover:  The easter bunny is back with her nonsense comments.....she's an idiot.....back to boxing.....i say pacquiao should get 80% if he fights fraud mayrunner....and if he doesnt like it, too bad.....go suck a monkey's nipple....congratulation to the REAL PACQUIAO FANS....ya know who ya are.....Radam, #1pacfan, your boy is the truth....i say manny vs mosley....for the undisputed welterweight champion of the world....scareweather next opponent should be israel vazquez....as for my boy cotto?.....his tank is not empty yet....the reason he told merchant that hes gonna keep on fighting is because he wants a rematch with cheatorito......after he beats cheterorito, than he will retire.....anyway....last night was a classic.....NOW THATS, WHAT I CALL A WAR.....2 great warriors giving their all......@Radam.....yo....im shot right now....lol....im still here in the luxor hotel with 2 hoes....come thru and i'll give u one.....lol....enjoy your victory.....well deserve.....holla back!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:31:54 AM
donputo69 with some breaking news out of vegas:  BREAKING NEWS: There are rumors out here right now that cotto vs tortocheato will happen in may of 2010....if thats true, MAKE IT HAPPEN.....thats why cotto told merchant that hes gonna still be fighting....and it was for that reason....me personaly, i dont think cotto hasnt forgotten about that fight with cheato....it still hunts him....anyway TSS....time to take a serious nap and get ready to go back home....holla back!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:39:48 AM
MisterLee:  @ #1 floydfan! You're a fool! Here's the biggest pot of crow waiting for you! Also, did I also not say that Pacquiao is "2 times faster than Judah and 3 times the power?" Pple tried to compare judah to pacquiao! that's a toyota corrolla vs. a ferrari! I'LL say it again, pacquiao is TOO FAST FOR ANYONE OVER 130 Lbs. Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:44:35 AM
Crane:  Right now i'm eating my crow like a man should when he's wrong! LOL! I'd picked Cotto to win by decision and i told my boys before the fight i could see both guys hitting the deck at some point during the 12 rounds. Any doubts i had about Pacquiao being a complete fighter are now a thing of the past. He's truly a great fighter. Let it also be said that Freddie Roach has done a brilliant job developing his fighter's skills. The fact that pacman continues to improve is testament to Roach's considerable experience and genius. Cotto is a true warrior. He came to win and gave it everything he had. You can't ask for anymore from a fighter than that. Talk of retirement is premature. Cotto deserves a long rest and once his injuries heal the decision to fight on or retire should be his alone. My parting shot is this: Mayweather has no intention of signing to fight Pacquiao! I'm sick of his lame excuses and i've completely lost interest in the guy. So let's talk about someone else. I wouldn't mind seeing Pacman in with the Mosley - Berto winner, Timothy Bradley or even Paul Williams. To Mr Lee: My boy Tommy Hearns (the 1980 version that bombed Pipino Cuevas) chills Pacquiao in 3 rounds. HOLLA!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:59:48 AM
#1PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @RED, how does Erik Morales all of sudden look old when he was 30 years old? Barerra was 29 when Pac destroyed him in 03. Now many may say that Morales and Barerra made each other old because of their battles. But it's no different to Mosley, Cotto, and Margarito who have had their battles and they aren't being called shot fighters. I get it now, 5-10 years from now guys like you will say that Cotto was a shot fighter because of Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey gave him a helluva fight. Come on man, give the man his dues. He definitely deserves to be mentioned with greats like Leonard, Duran, Hagle, and Robinson.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:03:41 AM
MisterLee Shoots... *SWISH":  "I'm guessing between 149-152 lbs. Holler! Friday Nov 13, 2009 11:17:46 PM" CALLED IT! oskar: Pacman weigh 149 on fight night. Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:00:11 AM
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:10:58 AM
MisterLee @ #1 sage:  It can be safe to say, after the beating Barrera took that night agst Pacquiao that he SHOULD be called the "Middle Aged Assassin." I feel manny's destruction of barrera really rearranged his face and increased the aging cycle... to he go to the bottle... was life more stressful? Holler! Mexicans and Puerto Ricans have always produced great boxers. Now the world knows, Filipinos are some of the best boxers on earth! Pc!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:13:03 AM
Crane@Mr Lee:  My boy Tommy (the 1980 version that bombed Pipino Cuevas) chills Pacquiao in 3 rounds. Holla!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:15:23 AM
Fe'Roz :  Floyd is yesterday's news. He should have fought Cottp. Now he has so few options on his route to Greatness. Cotto is shot. he could have notched that win for his resume. Then taken on Shane. Then Manny and retire. But no, he's a 'businessman'....not a legend. He let the legend take a true warrior apart. Now Manny should freeze him ad make him beg until he meets Manny's terms. Here's the bottom line: If Floyd fights Manny and wins, Manny still wins. If Floyd loses, he loses everything. All of it. That was a bad move. Arum has him 'checked'. One loss, and Checkmate. And lastly, don't lambast catch-weights. Floyd needed them to make his last fight. Manny is still a small guy. Probably....I should say definitely.... a natural junior welterweight. Make the fight Manny when it is right. You will always be the legendary greatest small man.....an one of the very top greatest.... to have ever fought in this game.!!!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:15:47 AM
brownsugar:  Manny fought a good fight,.. no,... a great fight,.. can't wait for the replay,.. but to be honest,.. Cotto was tagging Pacman often,.. with the jab and left hook,.. even got to the body,..Manny is very Hittable because he comes to fight,..and Cotto was trickier than thought,... but Pac is a very strong fighter and was able to shrug off the punches,.. I thought the ref stopped the fight too quickly however ,.. Cotto should have been allowed to finish on his feet,.. he was never going to win the fight,.. but it wasn't like he was hurt to the point where he couldn't continue... strange to see Cotto running for the last 3 rounds,.. I think the ref really stopped it because Cotto was trying hard not to engage Pac,... Bring on Mayweather,.. that's the fight I really want to see next,.. That would be the fight of the century,.. I got Mayweather in the P4P battle Royal...(Thanks for the Crow fella's)
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:16:10 AM
RED@#1 Pacfan:  My friend, if you actually believe Manny beat primes Barrera and Morales, (or lost to a prime Morales) then we have a different version of what prime is. I think that your blind following of Manny is making you a bit obtuse. Manny beat Cotto. Palin and simple. If you didn't get that from my posts, then you're not only "Manny blind" you're outright blind. I am giving Manny all of his REALISTIC props. The problem is that people like you, blind fans, get very touchy when someone actually points out facts. How can anyone, I mean, really, say that Manny is at the same level of Robinson? LMAO! In fact, why am I even having this discussion.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:21:46 AM
brownsugar@#1PacFan:  I was thinking about your prediction for a 7th round KO,.. and for a minute I thought you had called it right on the money,.. Cotto was starting to look a little shakey and had already gone down twice,.. Whew,.. but he survived to extend his time in the ring with some "fancy" footwork I've never seen before from the Proud Puerto Rican,.. even Manny got tired of chasing him,.. My Fiance' got a thrill when Manny banged his gloves together while he walked Cotto down,.. Those in attendance teased me all night as the tide begin to turn Manny's way,.. but it was one of the most fun fights I've seen in quite a while,.. and I'm very Happy for the Pacman,... can't wait to see whose next,.. (hope it's Floyd) and I hope this hangover is in the final round...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:27:30 AM
Insideinformation:  Inside info on contract Cotto could not gain more then 5 pounds after the weighin. weights never mentioned
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:31:08 AM
oskar @ MisterLee:  Using other fighters to gauge Manny's ability would be unwise because pac have different skill set that is unconventional. Mosley is so open when he throws his punches no one can just exploit that because no one is fast enough. Mosley would lose his endurance against Pac and when he opens up he will go down. Cotto schooled Mosley, making an excuse that Mosley is not prepared for a big fight against an undefeated fighter is just unreal and using past fight of Mosely as a reference is unwise too for we all know that Mosley admitted using magic medicine but Marg fight is legit though he dominated a plaster less with below skill fighter.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:33:57 AM
brownsugar:  Mosely has to get by Berto first,.. which is not guaranteed,.. and Manny is not going to stick around to "clean out the welterweigh division",.(neither does he have to)..he'll just take a couple of high-profile,..high paying fights and retire,.. big paying fight,.. the whole world is Hollering for a showdown between 2 of the worlds best,... Mayweather vs Pacman,.. Arum,.. make it happen!!!!!!,..
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:57:24 AM
AFN never again:  3 and 0. That's Manny's score over me. I feel like the disciple that denied the Lord three times. I would love to see Manny fight either SSM or Mayweather, but I won't be calling their names on the prediction page. My mouth has been shut, shamed and silenced. Manny is, as the honorable Miguel Cotto said, one of the greatest fighters of all time. EL TOONOY
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:02:04 AM
insideinformation:  Its the fact that Cotto didnt properly rehydrate. roach putting in a clause that cotto couldnt exceed 150lbs on fight night, thats ****** up. they had dude worried about weight the whole time, which was their plan. cotto looked weight drained last night. i have never seen him that skinny on fight night
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:05:40 AM
Frank Z:  @ Misterlee, pacquiao's power is amazing, and a lot of that has to do with speed and being able to deliver them from angles that are tough to see and slip in time. For everyone who doubts manny's power, what else does he have to do to convince you? look at cotto's face, it looked almost as bad as when he was getting pummeled with bricks. pacquiao did what mosley wans't able to do when he made his late rounds surge. that being said though, either mosley or mayweather would be a huge step up from cotto, because stylistically mayweather is like a bigger slicker quicker marquez, and size DOES matter for him becuase he would have a big reach advantage, shane would have an even bigger reach advantage and weve seen shane carry his power up to 154 lbs. also under richardson shane is fighting much smarter, countering better, and throwing his jab stiffer. while cotto's weight loss and being broken down by margarito probably did not have an outcome on him losing vs. winning (cotto circa June 2008 probably would still have lost a UD), they did pick a guy who's lack of body speed and inability to get shots off on his toes worked well for pacquiao. this is not to say that manny is not an all time great, i daresay he's in the front running for best since sugar ray leonard, but let's not pretend like he, like everyone else, has his team try to pull strings to get him favorable matchups.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:33:37 AM
RED:  I'm noticing such an animosity here to anyone not named Pacquiao that one wonders whether we're talking to actual fans or mindless trollers. Let's see. Statement: Manny is not in Sugar Ray Robinson's league...yet. Response: You're a hater. Give the man his props, which include elevating him to a level equal to arguably the greatest fighter of all time RIGHT NOW. Statement: Manny should fight Floyd next (a sentiment shared by Manny's own trainer). Response: Floyd is a nobody. He's old news. (LOL!, sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face with that one). Statement: A loss to Floyd would take some luster from Manny's career and would give fuel to those that believe Floyd is truly a modern day SRR or Ali. Response: Hater. Scumbag. Manny's is the greatest ever even if he gets knocked out by Floyd during the playing of the national anthems. And so it goes... Too funny.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:45:34 AM
kountedout:  @RED you know your boxing
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:00:16 AM
ss0357:  F*** P4P title. Manny surpasses that label. Name any former P4P fighter (any fighter for that matter) who made history -7 titles in 7 divisions? NO ONE CAN SAY THAT! Impressive? F**** THAT! That's HISTORICAL! Can PBF do that, can Mosely do that? Even if they wanted to, could they have physically traveled through 7 weight classes and beat champions in 7 divisions? Catchweight or not, Pac went up 5 lbs to Cotto's decrease of 2. It's not like Pac didn't have to train for that weight. Cotto has fought at lower weights too. Many has ever only fought once before at 147 vs. oscar. On that note, maybe Oscar wasn't as washed up as he looked against Pac. Since Pac beat Cotto so emphatically, couldn't Pac be so good that he made his win over Oscar look easy? Talking about how good fighters they are, speaking on their strengths - all of them have strengths - but all of them have been seen before, e.g. great skills, great speed, great power, great records, etc., but has anyone done what Pac has accomplished? NO. Pac is a living legend and has accomplished what no fighter has done...EVER. His next fight (which he doesn't need) will be because of his love for the sport and has nothing to prove in my book. PBF and Mosley on the other hand should be chasing Pac and fight Pac at his choice of weight. IMO, (besides the payday) they want to fight him for P4P status not for division titles. He's the living legend. He's the icon. He's already got a belt in their division. If they want his P4P label, they should go to him, and IF any advantage should be had, it should be Pac's. He's more than earned it. He holds the cards, not PBF or Mosley. That's the real truth.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:33:58 AM
ss0357:  Nevermind P4P title. Manny surpasses that label. Name any former P4P fighter (any fighter for that matter) who made history -7 titles in 7 divisions? NO ONE CAN SAY THAT! Impressive? No! That's HISTORICAL! Can PBF do that, can Mosely do that? Even if they wanted to, could they have physically traveled through 7 weight classes and beat champions in 7 divisions? Catchweight or not, Pac went up 5 lbs to Cotto's decrease of 2. It's not like Pac didn't have to train for that weight. Cotto has fought at lower weights too. Many has ever only fought once before at 147 vs. oscar. On that note, maybe Oscar wasn't as washed up as he looked against Pac. Since Pac beat Cotto so emphatically, couldn't Pac be so good that he made his win over Oscar look easy? Talking about how good fighters they are, speaking on their strengths - all of them have strengths - but all of them have been seen before, e.g. great skills, great speed, great power, great records, etc., but has anyone done what Pac has accomplished? NO. Pac is a living legend and has accomplished what no fighter has done...EVER. His next fight (which he doesn't need) will be because of his love for the sport and has nothing to prove in my book. PBF and Mosley on the other hand should be chasing Pac and fight Pac at his choice of weight. IMO, (besides the payday) they want to fight him for P4P status not for division titles. He's the living legend. He's the icon. He's already got a belt in their division. If they want his P4P label, they should go to him, and IF any advantage should be had, it should be Pac's. He's more than earned it. He holds the cards, not PBF or Mosley. That's the real truth.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:47:00 AM
brownsugar:  at least if Manny fights at welterweight,.. and defends his 147 title,.. we won't have to endure any more "Horrid" catch weights where one guy can train-up to reach to full potential ,.. while the other guy has to decide whether to drink a glass of water or eat a bologny sandwich,.not that Manny wouldn't have won anyway but it makes for a more competitive fight.... I think Manny is one of the few boxers who would bring out the very best in Floyd Mayweather,.. boxing fans are demanding it already,.. you can open your window and virtually hear them chanting for the most anticipated bout of this generation,... ...both sides will posture for the advantage,.. claiming that they don't care or it saying that it depends on what their manager says,.. but ultimately it will happen... and boxing fans will be in for an excellent matchup...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:51:05 AM
S:  #1Pacfan, Fe'Roz, dp69, AFN, Radam, Brownsugar, MisterLee, deepwater, Oskar, Frank Z, umitimshogun, Eastar, Yuvie, Marco Polo, Fist of Fury, In touch, Robert Curtis, Totoybato, auturo, Saul, Jason, Ali, Bill Major and Francisco, you guy know yall boxing fo' sure!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:06:24 PM
ss0357:  mayweather already in talks: fighthype . com / pages / content6228 . html
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:26:14 PM
ss0357:  why aren't my posts goin thru?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:26:48 PM
watcherPAC:  Pac is the man!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:27:33 PM
Aaron:  The stage has been set for Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat to re-defeat Pacquiao by KO and reclaim their place atop the greatest of boxers.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:38:43 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @RED, It really doesn't matter what you think because Pacquiao is regarded higher in the All Time Greatest list compared to Floyd. Like Steward says, Manny should be among the greatest like an Ali, Robinson, or Leonard. He's finally convinced how good Manny really is and for some it's jus hard to swallow. I want to make it sound simple as to what Fe'Roz was trying to say. Floyd made a mistake by not challenging Cotto before Manny so if May beat him it doesn't mean he gets credit for all of his(Manny) remarkable accomplishments. F-Lo said the same thing that if Floyd was to beat Manny does mean he is better than Robinson. @Brownsugar, yo they loved my pancit let me know if you need advice on this dish. But anyway, I also thought he was going to go in 7 but like you said he started to box effectively and stayed away from Manny's left. Can't wait for Manny's next fight. Mosley and Mayweather would be great opponents for Pac. Real tough fights ahead.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:49:34 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  F-Lo said the same thing that if Floyd was to beat Manny, it doesn't mean he is better than Robinson. Don't worry Manny will get through you like all the rest of them who didn't believe. He will show how to really go out on top of the sport.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 12:53:30 PM
Tony Medina:  IN THE AUDIENCE: PUFF DIDDY ??? lol come on michael woods are you retarded??
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:05:36 PM
Frank Z:  All i can say is, De la Hoya-Mayweather was captioned "The World Awaits".... the world is truly waiting for this next one.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 01:20:04 PM
Twik:  Sugar Ray Robinson lost to fighters in his twenties, thirties and forties, plenty of them and it didn't and doesn't stop people from calling him the greatest pound for pound fighter of all times. It is no foul in putting fighters in his league. He is model of how to judgement greatness, POWER, SPEED, Know how, strange balance and intense focus. Emanuel Steward is right. Pacquiao, SRR, Henry Armstrong, SRL, Ali, Louis and even Tito Trinidad who lost to a welterweight and Sugar Shane Mosley who never lost to lightweight a lightweight. Neither has Mayweather. But Mayweight is now a welterweight and should fight tiny Pacquiao and get KTFO out.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:06:39 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @RED, my friend my emotions are very well intact. Well you see I'm the biggest MP fan on here, I do the talking Pac does the walking plain and simple. In my opinion I think Manny has closed the gap to SRR's incredible career. Remember that SRR's career had some clouds under them go ask Radam he'll tell ya(don't mean to get u in the mix but you the historian in this U) what they are. And I never said I agreed to what F-Lo stated I clearly said that it was similar as to what the TopNotch Fe'Roz was saying. I will make it clear that if Floyd beats Manny that he get full credit from me but I might not be in same company as the rest. You might hear the criticism from them saying that maybe he waited to late to finally face a true challenge. Styles makes fight and I think Cotto had a good shot at beating him years ago. Floyd will get his dues if he faces the real P4P champion.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:11:00 PM
Twik:  My bad! I meant to write that Tito never lost to a welterweight. He dominated the division like Sugar Ray Robinson did back in his days.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:11:26 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  @RED, my friend my emotions are very well intact. Well you see I'm the biggest MP fan on here, I do the talking Pac does the walking plain and simple. In my opinion I think Manny has closed the gap to SRR's incredible career. Remember that SRR's career had some clouds under them go ask Radam he'll tell ya(don't mean to get u in the mix but you the historian in this U) what they are. And I never said I agreed to what F-Lo stated I clearly said that it was similar as to what the TopNotch Fe'Roz was saying. I will make it clear that if Floyd beats Manny that he get full credit from me but I might not be in same company as the rest. You might hear the criticism from them saying that maybe he waited to late to finally face a true challenge. Styles makes fight and I think Cotto had a good shot at beating him years ago. Floyd will get his dues if he faces the real P4P champion.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:13:00 PM
Isaiah:  This FIGHT was F###ING AWESOME!!! I humbly eat my crow. I admit that I was wrong and I don't care. This truly lived up to the hype. Yes, I picked Cotto, but can you blame me? Surely you might think that if Manny Pacquiao was going to show he's just human, this would be it. Manny has now reached the very rare ground of top ten of all time. Bring on Shane Mosley! By the way, who needs Mayweather? Forget that chump! Second question. How many PPV buys did this fight do?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:26:32 PM
DaveB:  Regardless of what any one says May/Pac would be stupidly big. It would be as big as anything ever in boxing. But the thing is that for Mayweather to equal Pacquaio, IMO, he would not only have to beat him but he would still have to beat at least one other top welterweight where he is not the prohibitive favorite. Just like I used to say about Marquez at the time, he cannot make a career of just fighting Pacquaio. But then Marquez went out and fought some really good fighters and he won, and he gained everyone's respect, in spite of being called a canvas kisser. Now Pacquaio is taking all the risk while Floyd hardly takes any so I don't think that, that is fair. Floyd has the skill to possibly beat anyone. No one questions his ability, we question his heart. We all know he could have fought Cotto, Margarito, or Williams and he would be getting as many accolades as Manny.... but he DIDN'T. So that is why even Floyd fans are starting to question him now and are watching and waiting to see what he is going to do (those who are still waiting, others aren't waiting anymore) and it is about time those people started expecting more. I've said it before; I've never seen someone who has to be defended so much by their fans.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:27:56 PM
Frank Z:  maybe mayweather is crazy as a fox. now he can promote his reasons that he'll beat pacquiao cause he toyed with the man who gave pacquiao two very hard fights, and pacquiao's camp can say he beat and beat up the man that mayweather seemed to duck. not to mention these guys are complete opposites in their demeanor, and in their approaches to the fight. mayweather will get into it with freddie roach over the 24 7's, pacquiao's division conquering will be put on the same pedestal as henry armstrong's (though IMO he's nowhere near armstrong), mayweather will be sold as another sugar ray leonard. everyone le'ts keep this movement strong for floyd to fight manny.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 02:42:15 PM
Fe'Roz :  The problem Floyd faces is that with all his claim to greatness his resume is getting thinner and thinner with the passage of time. Manny has so many more notches Floyd iould have to fight four or five convincing fights to punctuate his career just to catch up. He has avoided the top welters (in the prime and time) allowing them to ultimately fight and beat each other. One victory over Manny, who has fought bigger names and bigger fighters guarantees him about the same thing as Calzaghe beating Bernard and Roy. And no one here is putting Calzaghe near the top of the all time greats. Floyd has no defining fights since Castillo and Corrales. His mark will fade..... unless his paints it over the names of today's, not yesterday's, greats. Frazier could not transcend Ali. Nor Hearns Leonard. There is for now... in this time... one Great. And he has earned it, not in the arena of public relations, but in the Ring.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:23:59 PM
Fe'Roz to the Point:  Manny has set the new standard for Greatness. Every time he fights he moves the bar higher. So if Floyd wants to catch him, let's see how high he can jump.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:30:40 PM
RED@#1 PacFan:  Well, all I'm saying is let's wait. Manny and Floyd will be strapping next year guaranteed. The winner will rightfully claim to be the best P4P fighter in the world. I believe Floyd would've beaten Cotto. I don't believe he would have systematically demoslished Miguel like Manny did. But one doesn't need to destroy oppoents to be the best. A sound victory will suffice. Of course, nothing is as sound as a total destruction of your oppoenent to make a point. In the end, if Floyd beats Manny, the same excuses that folks hate when made by or about other fighters cannot be made by Manny's fans. Floyd beats the boy wonder from General Santos and he becomes something of a phenomenon. Manny beats Floyd and I'll be more than happy to argue FOR his position at or around the same level of SSR and the other all time greats.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 03:30:41 PM
Fe'Roz @ RED:  I might have agreed Friday.... but not today.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:01:40 PM
Isaiah@Anyone who can anwser!:  Can anyonw tell me the Pay Per View sells?! I can't find them anywhere and I'm dying to know.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:02:52 PM
arturo:  I just want to see the damn fight.It makes perfect sense for the fighters and the fans.I have imagined about Tyson vs ALI but this fight would be a real dream fight
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:19:12 PM
bill major:  ben oconnor is delirious, floyds hiding under the bed.wait a minute, ,manny is a smaller fighter i forgot ben ,sorry ,floyd will come in over the weight to make sure he has a chance ,he might take the fight!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 04:23:21 PM
MisterLee @ RED and kounted out:  RED, i genuinely like your posts, but you're way off here. You're trying to blast one of the most knowledgeable boxing fans in this whole forum, #1 pacsage, and trying to make some connection between him and fanatic pac fans? Are you crazy? The guy who called ortiz maidana right, and agbeko vs. darchinyan right, the guy who has been objective about floyd and pacquiao the whole time? He admits he's pacquiao's greatest fan, and pacquiao just won his greatest fight, just give him a break and let him celebrate man! You and kounted out picked the wrong fighter probably, ate some crow... and if you haven't seen the news or seen the Rugged Man interview, Pac fans are NOT the only ones to question floyd. The general public, the boxing community, and the media are all over Floyd b/c he has done so much, like his last fight, that has caused us to question him as a prize fighter. The reason Pac fans call out Floyd after this great victory is b/c pac and floyd are seen (for better or worse) as the best fighters on the planet now. So it's really fair to compare them too, especially after their greatest victories... so objectively, pac has a history of not ducking fighters... he has faced the best, many of which are heading to the hall of fame someday, yes diaz was hand picked as the weakest lightweight, hatton was seen as a serious threat, oscar tho was drained was seen to be the "bigger guy". Cotto was a serious threat, a real welter, and the ironic thing is floyd spent the last fews NOT fighting the best welters... the list goes on for Cotto and who he fought: quintana, judah, mosley, margarito, clottey, and pacquiao. That's why pple give the Boricua respect. Pacquiao is the same, great resume, great fighter, doesn't duck. Floyd on the other hand, is criticized b/c pacquiao, a guy who started out so small and was fighting as a super featherweight just a year ago is now beating up legitimate jr. welters (hatton at his IDEAL weight, so in that way, floyd beating hatton at 147 is a non issue), and legitimate welters (Cotto, two time belt holder, top 3 welter in world) is accomplishing much more than Floyd has in his last 3 active years as a welterweight. That says a lot, and the fact that manny was willing to mix it up with margarito says a lot too (another fighter floyd ducked). If left to his own devices, pac would fight williams at 147 for crying out loud! The victory BEGS comparison, while you school girls are still going lady ga-ga over Floyd and offended by Pac's victories or his fans. Just eat your crow and let pple celebrate and stop faulting pple for celebrating or comparing the two best fighters in the world (tho i secretly think mosley can spank both of them which is why they're avoiding him). @ oskar, are you smoking something? Pac has no defense! dude, he just beat up a top 3 or top 2 welter in the world, and he got hit VERY little, when you're boxing, especially a high level boxer, you're bound to get hit flush at some point (something that floyd has avoided from cotto). The fact that pacquiao got hit so little in his last 4-5 fights shows that he's got D. You say "speed" is what keeps him from being hit, you're right, that's FOOT SPEED to get in and out of danger to turn opponents, it's head movement and slipping shots, there's his new peek a boo stance and rope a dope, there's angle and countering which count as defensive maneuvers... you're faulting him for "keeping his hands down when punching", has anyone made him pay for it? Maybe they're calculate shots vs. being reckless. Same goes for his straight lefts where he can magically slip and duck shots after he lands or misses a left cross. It's safe to say that in the hatton fight, 2 rounds, which manny and floyd both fought the same opponent, floyd got hit with 14 shots thru 2 rounds, manny with 17 shots, and i think hatton landed more and harder shots to the body than he landed on manny, so there's a common opponent. With oscar de la hoya, he landed more on floyd than on manny, he hit floyd a few times flush with a right hook over the shoulder roll low left hand, so there you have it? I"m not gonna even talk about the marquez fight, marquez hit floyd many times flush with a lead right hand, if it were a full blown welter or super middle, floyd would have been moved. All in all, i said it, and i'll say again, MANNY HAS BETTER DEFENSE THAN FLOYD! Floyd is overrated! He's never fought a p4p fighter in his own weight division, nor fought a future hall of famer (oscar shouldn't count since it was past his prime). There you have it!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:50:36 PM
PETE STEWARD:  He did everything wrong and it still came out right and he won the fight. He laid on ropes. He stood in front of the bigger man and invited him to hit him back. And he did not go to body nearly enough as he should. In spite of all mistakes he completely CRUSHED COTTO! And gave him a worse beating than Margarito did with his loaded hands. Cotto had BLACK & BLUE bruises on his neck and upper chest! Manny is a Monster!........But mayweather is God. I can wait for Titians to Clash for ultimate crown of Pound for Pound King.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:02:05 PM
donnie:  @ RED that doesnt make sense! U said if PAC wants to prove he is 1 of the greatest win against PBF!but how can PAC fight floyd if Floyd is the 1 ducking PAC even if PAC he is looking forward to it!so meaning....what?and u said level of legends like leonard, Ali.....hey have u watched an interview with these people they say "i like watching Pacquiao he is the most exciting fighter now" leonard said that.....BEING A GREAT BOXER is not just about skills..u have to entertain FANS who watch thats why u are in the squared circle being watched!!!so no excuses for being prime over rated weight drained....these guys trained hard b4 they fight and the best man win!HOLLER!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:36:49 PM
Donnie:  gladiator PACMAN says !!! ARE U NOT ENTERTAINED?!!! LOLZ
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 06:39:21 PM
brownsugar@MisterLee:  Good win For Manny,.. awesome performance,.. there was some good back and forth banging going on before Cotto "hit the wall" ...just not enough juice in the tank...,.. still pumped,.. from the victory!!,.. I am,.. it's great to see Manny get a record setting 7 titles,.. But your way off about Floyd,.. he's better in every category than Pacman,.. except maybe footspeed which can be nullified with just the slightest side to side movement,.. and handspeed inclose,.. I think Manny has the edge on speed when he's thowing short straight punches because his arms are shorter,.. but only slightly,..but Mayweather has a decent reach advantage and the type of speed to deliver his artillery,..... also stamina would not be a problem for either man,... but you can never count out Mannys exceptional strength and will to win,..... would make for the most compelling fight of the decade,..a very intriguing fight,. with 2 of my favorites,.. I hope it doesn't take a month to get announced...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:04:03 PM
MisterLee @ bsug:  Yo yo...! Floyd is not better in every category... as we said before... foot speed is a difference, manny throws punches in bunches from many angles, floyd usually banks on a 1-2, a lead right cross, or lead left hook... so manny has a more diverse offense... including NOW a lead right hook, a counter right hook, a lead left, left uppercut (dragon punch shouryouken!), 3-4 straight punches, 1-2, jab left to the body right hook etc. Handspeed, i feel floyd has given opponents fits with his speed and timing, but he's never overwhelmed someone with such speed that they couldn't react... fighters like castillo or judah or oscar (he was a little bit) never were totally overwhelmed by floyd, but manny is simply cruising thru these bigger guys b/c they're put up with speed they've never seen nor heard of. It's amazing. So footspeed, handspeed, varied offense, and manny has GREAT, not just good defense now, if we compare thru 2 of the same fighters they had in common, and now a third that floyd hasn't touched, manny got hit about the same or less than floyd did agst hatton de la hoya and we could say cotto, but floyd never touched him. Also, pacquiao rocked castillo in sparring, and castillo hit floyd with some HARD HOOKS on the temple in their early fights. If a prime castillo could hit floyd, an oscar at 154, marquez at 147 (he dind't have the power to move him, but he had the speed to hit floyd with flush lead rights), judah at 147, chop chop at 140... you REALLY think that the 32 year old version of floyd could handle manny's speed? Honestly, another person to underestimate pacquiao or over estimate floyd. Floyd was good for what he did, but when comparing to what pacquiao has and is accomplishing... floyd is NOWHERE near the top 20 p4p fighters of all time... he'd be hard pressed to be top 50... so like his dad said... IT'S NO FAIR TO COMPARE...
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:17:20 PM
MisterLee:  I forgot to include Manny's new mobile peek-a-boo stance! he blocked a lot of body shots with it! it'll be funny if manny comes in to the fight with a shoulder roll! haha... um.. it's a possiblity that manny will want to wait to see the winner of the mosley berto fight, and call out mosley and unify the titles... or do a mandatory defense of his jr. welter belt. Holler! i woudl LOVE him to fight TIMOTHY BRADLEY. Desert storm is so awesome! and no wear and tear, it would be a fun barn burner! Holler!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:20:02 PM
brownsugar@MisterLee:  Mister Lee,.. honestly,..l did you see Manny doing the interview with Brian Kenny??(now at ESPN Boxing's Website),.. Manny was so banged up that I thought someone put make up on him as joke,..He looked as bad as Cotto did,.. clearly he was in a war and took as good as he gave,.. but he came out on top due to sheer will and physical conditioning,.. not because his defense is great,.. but because he's a tremendous fighter,.. a banger with neversay die attitude,.. but Manny's defense is his supurb offense,. as far as subjective titles like ATG,.. I'll let the historians debate that,.. as far as Manny vs Floyd in the near future,.. Floyd has a wealth of advantages that would be monumental for Pac to overcome... It's too early to get into an indepth debate about my 2 favorite guys,..because there's been no solid news of the fight happening yet,.. (I'm hoping) but I'm still marveling over Pac's terrific win,.. thanks for the response however,.. it's always a pleasure to hear your point of view,....
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 07:45:08 PM
Jason:  I don't believe you can put Manny Pacquiao in Ray Robinson's category just yet. That's not a knock on Manny, just my belief that history judges that sort of thing after a fighter's retirement and within the context of the era in which he fought. For those of us old enough to recall watching Tyson in the late 80's, it was often said that Tyson was the greatest of all time. Better than Ali or Louis. Now, after historical context, Tyson is at best a top-20 guy, and below his contemporaries Lewis and Holyfield. Sometimes victories look better in time. For example, when Chad Dawson beat Tomasz Adamek, not much was said. It was considered a nice win. In retrospect, that win looks better every day. Hopkins' 1997 stoppage win over an undefeated Glen Johnson looked pretty good at the time. It looked a hell of a lot better when Johnson was 2004's consensus Fighter of the Year. But Manny Pacquiao is sure making a case for himself. No question about it. He dismantled a tough warrior in Cotto, his best win ever, in my opinion (a notch above his destruction of Barrera in 2003). I'm a huge Pacquiao fan. If you love TSS, how couldn't you be? He is the anti-Floyd, handles himself with class and dignity, respects the sport and his opponents, and brings it every time. He's great for boxing, and his fan-base is as loyal as any I've ever witnessed (in ALL of sport, not just boxing). But the greatest P4P of all time?? Not yet.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:02:19 PM
MisterLee @ b-sug:  Manny was not staggered once in the fight, was not pinned agst the corner or ropes agst his will, and was certainly not hurt or knocked down. Why? Good defense, sure cotto's has a sting, and his left hook (judged by the bandage), however, look at the fight video, was manny's face swollen at the time of the fight and post fight immediately when the victory? Nope? This was after the fact when the swelling had time to take place. Look at Cotto's face for pete's sake!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:05:21 PM
MisterLee:  Cotto's JAB has a sint, and his left hook too.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:10:06 PM
MisterLee:  @ anony or ali, wasn't one of you who were "writing down pple's comments to show it to them after the fight?" I think it was Anony. Where were you? I saved some leftovers for you! #1 floydfan, where you at? Do you have food coma from all that crow? :)
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:12:10 PM
The Saint:  Pacquiao doesn't need to "prove" he's number one by beating Mayweather. Pacquiao doesn't need Mayweather and Mayweather can just hallucinate all he wants along with his diehard fans, all 15 of them worldwide. lol. Pacquiao deserves his number one status more than Mayweather did when he was #1 p4p. Mayweather is absolutely NOTHING if not for the "O" on his record, which to knowledgeable boxing fans means absolutely NOTHING considering the caliber of Mayweather's opposition in the last 5 years.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:14:27 PM
Frank Z@ brownsugar:  Manny wasn't as bad off as first appeared.... he had his ear drained of blood to keep cauliflower out, and he had a bit of puffing and discoloration under each eye. it's not nearly as bad as cotto who looked like he coudln't open his eyes all the way before the fight even ended.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:29:34 PM
Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar and Mister Lee:  I enjoy Fantasy Boxing up to a point. And you two can do it with the best of the best. Problem is Floyd simply has not fought enough high level competition in years to take his exact measure. While Floyd diddles, Manny burns. He does not wait, nor hesitate. He takes on real Welterweights. He just beat up Miguel Cotto. Really !! With his fists. The only flaw I saw was a sense of humanity. Call it Mercy. Like a shark, he bled his prey and waited to kill it. But he has too much respect. He also has too much respect for us, the fight fans world-over. He fights real fights. Often a and hard. Ricky Hatton, undefeated at Junior Welterweight. Bang. KO2. Miguel Angel Cotto, Welterweight Champion, pride of Puerto Rico. TKO 11. Well, lower the flags. This is a great fighter. This is a man. The Man. He has not one thing to prove. Floyd , on the other hand..........
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:31:29 PM
Fe'Roz:  I stand on my contention that Manny make Floyd fight to earn a shot. See how it feels. Maybe even force him to fight Shane (with all his losses) and give the winner a chance at his belt. Have some fun, Champ.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:35:10 PM
brownsugar:  this just in,...... Schaffer announced that he will be calling Bob Arums office this monday morning to formally submit Floyds proposal for a megafight,.. He will be discussing the terms with Bob Arum this week,.. look for the hype,.. hate,.. and hyperbole to start rolling,.. if the fight is made,.. a fight between these 2 will be an ATG event indeed,.. I hope the two sides can get past the animosity and make the deal that fans crave... and if it's made... and I'm blessed to still be gainfully employed,.. I'm going to do my best to there in person.... I had my Crow,.. but it went down easy,.. cause Manny and Cotto delivered an exciting nite of boxing.. (undercard notwithstanding)
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:37:42 PM
Isaiah:  Manny is great. Ther can be no more doubt. Hating him from this point will just make someone look really stupid. Yey, lay back and let Mosley and Mayweather duke it out, or as Manny would call it, "pulling a Floyd." By the way, I'm still curious to anyone who will anwser, what are the Pay Per View numbers for this great fight?! It's got to be over a million for sure!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:41:21 PM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz:  thanks for the comments Fe'Roz,.. I don't agree,.. but I like your communication skills,.. I'll have more to say if the negotiations pan out,... pc.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:41:34 PM
Radam G - masarap-sarap - Manny is da MAN:  Tell the great pugilist guru Manny Steward who produced about 15 champions from scratch, save the career of about 25 who was being trained the wrong way, had bad hygiene and bad diets and another 40-plus who hired the great megamaster guru to train them to bring out the best performance, that you cannot put PacMan in the same category with Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard or Muhammad Ali, because he has darn sure done it. And would tell anybody who said that he cannot do that to kiss his arse. Manny Steward is one of the top pound-for-pound trainers of all times. And he saw a 30-something Sugar Ray Robinson fight and a 30-something Irish GOAT Muhammad Ali, just as he is seeing a 30-something Manny "PacMan" Paquiao and a 30-something "Petty" Floyd "Money May" Mayweather. Manny is in the league of boxing greats. And it will not be denied by all the high boxing IQ brains. Even Angie Dundee is ready to concede that Manny belongs in the catagory of the best of the best. You heard the great Manny Steward yourself at 8countnews. Holla!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 08:43:39 PM
the Roast:  Great fight from two great fighters. I had a bunch of people over at the house last night. Some of them MMA fans. I think that fight won them over. After we all woke up from our Chavez jr. induced nap, Manny and Miguel put on quite a show. Cotto gave his best effort but Pacman was just too good. Great night for boxing. Manny will take a well deserved rest for a few months. Floyd should get in the ring with a fast welter to sharpen up for a Pacman fight. If they do fight, it will be a much different fight than the one we saw last night. Floyd will try to box and Manny will be after him throwing those fast combos. I got Manny by close, UD.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:25:11 PM
Radam G - napagod-pagod ako mga bugaw:  If you haven't heard Megamaster boxing guru Manny Steward, you can at 8countnews as I posted above. Wow! @B-Sug, I expected GBO CEO Bob Schaffer, the modern-day clown leader of Manifest Destiny to "quiet down the revolting Filipinos." Schaffer had the audacity to call Manny "a young kid who doesn't know how to behavior and act," while talks were going on about the money for the whupping of Big Money Oscar's narrow, starved-out, rhea-acting arse. Manny taxed BMO's arse. So here come the Redcoat Ricky Hatton, trained by Bluecoat Buffalo Soldier Pops Joy May. Manny blast that arse. Now here come Buffalo Soldier "Lil Floyd," armed with his sidearm pistol -- a colt 45. I am a great fan of Money May, but I now draw the line in sand with him sending a ______. Over a hundred year later, like we use to do in boxing and on the battle field, a Pinoy is going to beat the heck out of another Buffalo Soldier. Somebody ought to check up on some history. And don't tell me about not talking about the past. That is all we know. Only fools holla about not talking about and learning from the past. Then wonder why they keep getting nowhere by repeating the same habit and stagnation. Like somehow, sooner before later, it is going to work. PacMan will repeat none of what other fighters did in fighting "Lil Floyd." And I will say that Cotto last longer against PacMan than "Lil Floyd" will. The shoulder roll, two-step, turn-your-back, drop-your-head fold will be easy to defeat. "Lil Floyd," PacMan will badly beat. Holla!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:33:41 PM
Robert Curtis:  Call me crazy, but I think Cotto had a great chance with this fight. Why did he stop throwing his left jab? Cotto's footwork was decent. But why did he stop using the left? Even if he couldn't hit Manny's head with authority, why not whack the chest with the left or whatever presented itself? Keep Manny distanced and frustrated? Cotto lost his confidence long before he lost the fight. Cotto is a supreme athlete and was well conditioned. I love Manny above all today's boxers. But he's not reinventing the sport. Money Mayweather may have the solution. Sugar Shane knows the secret key too, but he might be too old to implement it.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:35:29 PM
Radam G@Bobby C:  He stop throwing his left hand because Manny hit him on the shoulder, knocked it out of place and as the fight went on, it tighten up on him. Go and view the bout again, and you will see Manny tearing those shoulders up. You don't only smash in the face and the torso, you go after the instruments delivering the weapons to take your arse out. This is an old trick from the great, late short-armed Rocky Marciano. He known for busting up arms, shoulders, heads, torsos and arse. It pays to know the past and learn from pugilist of those eras. Miguel also got hit on the loosely-held elbows a couple time and that sent shock waves through his whole body. Now I know that you have probably bumped your elbow on something before, and it shocked you like a mutha. Wow! Ain't da sweet science wonderful. Holla!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:03:32 PM
bill major:  pete,there not mistakes when your doing it on purpose and intentionally are they.........
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:16:05 PM
Bobby C @ Radam:  Agreed. But it's a two-way street. If Cotto was whacking more at Manny's chest, shoulders, elbows whatever... well, it comes down to guts and championship heart. Cotto started retreating way too soon. Ali would get on a bicycle, but he never stopped throwing his left, or his right hand lead. A great warrior fights to win. Cotto threw nothing as soon as he felt over-matched. Manny is the great boxer of our time. I have not had any doubts of Manny's greatness for a long-a$$ time.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:24:55 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  I don't know about you guys but I want Manny to face Floyd now. A minute less then he will be considered old and shot. He is in his prime and has not had a tough fight for quite a while now. No excuses at the end for both. A win over Floyd would rank Manny over Robinson in the P4P and Manny right behind Ali as the Greatest of all time. And why not? Floyd at this point is considered to be an all time greatest by many and is highly regarded as the P4P greatest ever. Manny can cash in on this win(no green just statistically). Watch out RED, now you got MisterLee volume puncher involved. He will leave you no room to breath, smother you with his high volume stats. Did I forget to mention he's the #2 P4P TSS Reader?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:39:45 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  The sad part about this fight is that we might lose a couple of great honorable readers like Anony or Dp69 the biggest Cotto loyalist fans. There's no shame of sticking around, come JOIN THE PACFAN BANDWAGO fellas. Besides Cotto has about a couple of great fights ahead of him. A tune up and avenge Cotto's loss from Margacheato.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:45:27 PM
Fe'Roz @ Radam :  Well said my brother. Manny tore up every critical source of power from his elbows to his shoulders to his face and head.... and finally his heart and mind. And he walked him down. He clearly watched that Clottey fight very closely. He had his new peek-a-boo defense up and took the shots of a seriously dangerous welterweight. He Ali'ed him. He took his heart, drained his confidence and forever changed Miguel Cotto. Ask George Foreman what is was like to think you were the power to be reckoned with only to have a fleeter man let you bring your thing until your thing don't bring. I believe the word is Dis-Heartening. And take away his heart and the body will fall. This is a man whose legacy is built on fighting and beating all of the greats. One bigger than the next. The only time the word 'duck' enters a conversation about Manny is when he is eating it before it is fully developed. Floyd on the other hand has given the poor bird a bad name
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 10:55:08 PM
Fe'Roz @ #1 Pacfan:  The Don and Anony will be back. It is a shocking and horrible loss for Cotto fans. imagine the reverse. But these two are friends and true boxing cognoscenti. Remember, Juanma fights in January. I for one will be there.... and know the Don will be as well.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:00:05 PM
kountedout:  @MisterLee..you say a lot of crazy things. i was going for cotto but i said that pacquiao would win. i felt that cotto has never gotten over that beating from margarito and i didn't like how he leaned so far over to where he's susceptible to uppercuts. you said pacquiao has a better defense then floyd. your credentials are revoked
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:02:08 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  Fe'Roz says, "The only time the word 'duck' enters a conversation about Manny is when he is eating it before it is fully developed. Floyd on the other hand has given the poor bird a bad name." That's great LMAO! What are you going to come up with next?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:07:24 PM
#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:  Gotta get back to realworld. Get ready to go to work. Had a helluva weekend with MP making history and my daughter almost winning her soccer tournament by a game. It was also her birthday in the finals would've been a great b-day present to have won it all. But 2nd is exceptional. Good night fellas it was a very tense weekend. Time to rest.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:13:40 PM
Robert Curtis:  I hope Sugar Shane gets the next shot at Pacman as a gold watch retirement send off. But late in 2010, Manny can decide to fight Money, a man naturally bigger who has supra-abundant skills and confidence. BTW, did Cotto ever had his left hook? I mean ever from the opening bell? How can Manny damage what never appeared to begin with?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:16:40 PM
Fe'Roz @ Robert Curtis:  He did land it but not often and certainly not enough. But Pacquiao took it. I think we have to listen to what Miguel said after the fight. He could not see the punches or from where the came. That is a powerful statement. This from a man who has fought Shane and Zab ....yet has never uttered those words. Moreover, he was surprised at Pacquiao' s strength and power whether giving and/or receiving. This was total destruction of one of the best boxers in the business. This was a career....or should I say history...defining fight. For Manny for sure. and sadly for the once great and always proud Miguel Angel Cotto as well.
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:31:32 PM
Robert Curtis:  Unseen punches and the flinching cowardly reaction to them are not fun and certainly don't promise a long career. Still, I think you have to screw percentages and odds and just throw. Cotto gave up. A slow man can beat a faster man if he sticks to his plan. As the title of that old black& white Henry Armstrong movie says "Keep Punching.". Wasn't Miguel's jab powerful and deep when the mammyjammer actually had the confidence to throw it?
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:51:30 PM
Fe'Roz @ Robert Curtis:  All that you say is true. The wincing and flinching was awful to watch in a once noble warrior. I suspect that Manny is far more powerful than the eye can see....and that his punches much faster than any tape can reveal. Cotto was in shock by the end of Round Two. He lost faith in himself by Four and his corner was useless
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 11:57:07 PM
Radam G - come on, Bobby C:  Wow! His shoulder was knocked out of place by the Pinoy Power of PacMan. Miguel could no longer should that jab. Every once and a while, he will throw it out, and it would hurt like heck. There is no quit in Cotto. He never gave up. Everybody in his corner wanted him to quit, but he didn't. His father even cried for it to be stopped after the 11 round, but the great warrior Cotto would not have it. His wife and son walked out of the ringside seating crying. Cotto saw them from the corner, but he still refused to quit. He is a truth warrior, and he was going out on his shield. I think that he deserved that. I was hoping that the referee would let him try to finish the ring. Hey! But Manny was just doing his job, and that job was to get him outta there. Holla!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 12:25:09 AM
TotoyBato:  Miguel could not throw because he was too busy cringing in fear of the awesome power that's about to hit him. Just like ODLH was and Just like Floyd jr will be. Hatton did not feel it much, he just went to sleep early.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 01:53:55 AM
RED@Mister Lee:  My friend, I'm not trying to "blast" anyone here. I'm simply asking for some restraint in a site where accolade showers and statements of grandiosity have both gone wild. Manny managed to destroy a great fighter in Miguel. Indeed, judging by the posts here, I maybe one of the few that actually KNOWS how big Manny's demolition of Miguel really is. I say this because after the Clottey fight MANY folks here dismissed Miguel as "confirmed damaged goods", a done fighter and a shell. Nevertheless, for good or bad, Floyd Mayweather is a legitimate contender to the P4P throne. If he beats Manny it'll be difficult to call Manny a great to the level of SSR. I mean, this is a matter of deductive reasoning. If Manny is boxing’s Jesus, what would Floyd be if he beats Manny? Oh, and don’t get me wrong. I absolutely believe Manny can beat Floyd. Why don’t we just wait?
Monday Nov 16, 2009 07:02:32 AM
MisterLee @ RED:  All good, just standing up for #1 pacsage, b/c he's my favorite writer. Nothing personal. @ Kounted out, i'm getting my "credentials revoked" by Floyd Mayweather's groupie? LOL!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:06:31 AM
kountedout:  yes your credentials are revoked no matter how you put it. im very aware of your but kissing. because someone says something that you don't agree with is being a groupie or hatin. ask anyone other then tss members again the dumb statement you said that Pacquaios defense is better then floyd. you should be banned for 3 months with such nonsense.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 08:18:37 AM
MisterLee:  Blah blah blah. Anyone have boxing to discuss?
Monday Nov 16, 2009 11:23:43 AM
Castro:  Congrats to the Pac! Job well done. Utmost most RESPECT goes out to COTTO! You are a TRUE warrior! I'm ready for my crow! lmao However, I'm still not convinced that he (manny) is the BEST! HELL NO! Bring on Mosley, Mayweather, Berto, Clottey & LTP! Better yet...make him defend his Jr W belt a couple times. Take your pick: Bradley, Holt or Maidana! Have him complete the highly wanted TRILOGY against Marquez! Cuz we all know (at least the ones who aren't Manny nutthuggers) Marquez got robbed! & we all know that is the ONLY TRUE opponent that has written the blue print TWICE on how to beat Pac. IMO Mosley would do to Pac what Pac did to Cotto & he'll do it even more convincingly. Same goes for Money May! Then after all is said & done we can all really see how good Manny is & after that....if he (manny) is still fighting (catchweight championships) he & Freddy Roach can ride off into la la land thinking they beat the BEST (the best at CATCHWEIGHT) & Manny can retire as the p4p catchweight king! Get a grip Manny fans - the BEST is still yet to come & if you are the BEST....start first with fighting your opponent at their BEST! None of this cherry picking weight crap & demands. Fight them at the REAL weight limit. One more thing before I roll -2010 isn't even here yet. A hell of a lot can & will change in the coming year! That goes for ALL fighters....period!
Monday Nov 16, 2009 03:35:38 PM
Frank Z@Misterlee:  I got something, how bout the incompetence coming from the cotto corner. after cotto got in trouble in the 2nd and 3rd rounds all they did was cheerlead. they didn't say anything about how he should tie manny up on the inside, commit to his own body punches on manny and use his straight right on the southpaw (the most basic stuff you tell a dude facing a lefty). not tying up also got cotto in trouble vs. margarito, and it's how mosley was able to chill margarito's charge. i think that should be the second subplot of this fight, behind pacquiao's skill and ability.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 03:50:04 PM
MisterLee @ Frank Z :  Need to pull in a veteran trainer... like Jack Loew!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 02:32:12 AM
Frank Z @MisterLee:  LOL.... yeah someone needed to tell cotto to double up that jab and throw the right hand..... times 3305948.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:31:03 PM
MisterLee @ FrankZ:  Santiago 's a joke! Bring in steward, roach, goosen brother, atlas, NAZIM THE DARN GENIE RICHARDSON (actually richardson is my favorite trainer at the moment.. who do you like?) Pc!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:42:38 PM

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