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Wednesday Nov 11, 2009

F-Lo puts forth the argument that Cotto's power will become overwhelming starting around the fourth. You agree, Pacman fans? Weigh in, and read part two Thursday...

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Going to the Well Once Too Often - The Case For Cotto Over Pacquiao

By Frank Lotierzo

I am a big fan of Manny Pacquiao’s. Unlike almost any veteran champion, he has taken the style that brought him to the title and relatively late in his career refined it in noticeable ways. In the past few years he’s developed into a two handed puncher. His balance has improved. He’s now a threat whether leading or counter-punching. He moves his head. Success hasn’t caused him to slack off in his training either and he’s still almost as fierce a presence now as when he was a hungry junior lightweight. 

 

I want to be clear about the esteem in which I hold Pacquiao because of the kind of heat any criticism of him or any suggestion that he might lose a fight creates. The guy will definitely go down as an all-time pound-for-pound great. But vastly too much has been made of his last two easy wins over Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton - fighters who, at least on the night they got in the ring with Manny, may as well have been wearing “slaughter me” signs on their backs. 

 

These observations are easy to make in hindsight, and I’ll admit to not recognizing the glaring hints of the obsolescence exhibited by each of the bigger fighters prior to their stepping into the ring with Pacquiao. 

 

More accurately, I knew that De La Hoya was finished, but I didn’t think it’d matter. I assumed the size advantage he had over Manny would be insurmountable. I forgot the lesson of Sugar Ray Leonard versus Hector Camacho: Once you’re done, you’re really done. And I couldn't get past the fact that like Leonard did Camacho, De La Hoya asked for the fight with Pacquiao. How many times do fighters go and knock on the a fighters door who they're not sure they can beat when they can order from the menu? 

 

I assumed that Pacquiao would beat Hatton, but didn’t anticipate the kind of public execution it wound up being. Pacquiao looked sensational stopping Hatton with a single overhand left that caught him perfectly on his chin.

 

But I wonder if the inferences that many observers made seeing those fights might not be a slight misinterpretation as to what they indicated. 

 

I believe that the real Manny Pacquiao is closer to being the guy we saw going 24 more or less even rounds with Juan Manuel Marquez than the one who destroyed De La Hoya and Hatton.  (Conversely, I think Marquez is closer to being the guy we saw in with Pacquiao than the severely compromised fighter fattened up in order to make Floyd Mayweather look good.)

 

This observation isn’t meant to denigrate Manny Pacquiao. Juan Manuel Marquez is one hell of a fighter, and holding your own with him (and never officially losing to him) is a fearsome accomplishment. 

 

But Manny Pacquiao isn’t a welterweight. Picture Ray Robinson or Emile Griffith or Thomas Hearns: those are welterweights. Prefer a more contemporary fighter? Try Paul Williams. There are even those who believe Pacquiao may not even be a legitimate junior welterweight. 

 

Miguel Cotto has grown into being a solid 147-pounder, but he’s not so big that making the contracted weight of 145 against Pacquiao is going to kill him. He was, after all, only 146 for his last fight four months ago.

 

There’s a general consensus that Cotto is not the fighter he was before being knocked out by Antonio Margarito thirteen months ago. His recent split decision win over Joshua Clottey has been trotted out as confirmation of this demise.

 

Maybe so. But there are ways of looking at that fight that provide an alternative reading. And there’s an earlier fight in Cotto’s career that should make Freddy Roach at least a little bit nervous. 

 

No, I won’t try to make a case for chronic front-runner Zab Judah being the fighter that Manny Pacquiao is. But his comparative deficiencies are mostly tied to matter of character, not talent.  Zab is bigger and stronger than Manny. He’s as fast. His boxing fundamentals are in the same ballpark. Like Pacquiao, he is a southpaw. 

 

Two and a half years ago, I watched Cotto systematically change Zab Judah from a supremely confident fighter thrilled to be fighting in Madison Square Garden into a guy who was just trying to find anyplace in the ring where he could catch a breath. When Cotto made sure there were no such places, the fight ended. Judah ’s beating was the product of great body punching, patience, and evolved ring intelligence. The knockout loss was inevitable. 

 

Zab Judah can be made to grow discouraged in a way that would be foreign to Manny Pacquiao. I acknowledge that Pacquiao won’t fold, won’t stop fighting, and won’t mentally throw in the towel. But anybody who fights Cotto gets banged around a lot. And I can’t imagine Freddy Roach not stepping in if he thinks it’s necessary. 

 

For Manny to win, he has to be like a piranha, moving in and out, taking a bite each time. And he should hope that Miguel's skin continues to deteriorate. Put together Cotto’s tendency to start slowly with Pacquiao’s ability to be off first right from the gate and it’s easy to conclude that the first few rounds will favor the smaller, faster man. 

 

After the fourth, though, Cotto’s pressure will become inexorable. And it will slowly begin to do its work. Pacquiao has faced three opponents who were better fighters than Cotto (Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Eric Morales), but all of those fights were held at featherweights or super featherweight. He has never been hit nearly as hard as he will be hit on November 14th.  I’d don’t think his frame will accept it.  It’s not a question of aptitude, heart, or accomplishment; Pacquiao has long since earned his spot in Canastota. But the choice here is Miguel Angel Cotto by TKO in the later mid-rounds.


Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com 

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deepwater:  Cotto will box and land bombs.Roach will be very quick to throw in the towel and save pacman for future fights. it will be no disgrace to lose to cotto.also watch for roach to go berzerk if cotto starts landing on the belt-line.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 03:56:28 PM
DaveB:  I remember a few months ago Mr. Lotierzo had a different opinion of the Pacquaio/Cotto fight. He said Cotto would not be the welterweight we were used to seeing but a very drained fighter. Now he has changed now saying losing the extra pound will not hurt him. But this is fair. People do change their minds especially as the fight draws near. I think everyone has an opinion in advance that makes them pause when the reality of the situation hits. I believe rightly or wrongly that Pacquaio holds the advantage. He seems to get more technically sound in every fight. He is quicker of hand and foot and should be able to do the things he wants to inside the ring. Cotto has stamina problems and that little walking back thing that he does bothers me concerning his chances. There is no doubt Cotto could win and that is what makes this type of fight so intriguing. But when you look back some fights you ask yourself how you could have ever been swayed. Pacquaio may end up going to the well once too often but I don't believe this will be the time. Pacquaio, I can't tell you how it will be done, wins this one.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 03:58:04 PM
Scott M:  Great points, Pac Man definitely has his work cut out for him. Cotto's jab could be very problematic. I'm sure that Cotto's camp studied the 1st Pacquiao-Morales fight, and developed a similar game plan like the one Morales used. Manny better be quicker than ever, with a now-you-see-me-now-you-don't style of attack. If I'm Pacquiao, I might try to test Miguel's chin early (provided that the bigger man does indeed get off to a slow start) but the feeling here is that Cotto's chin will hold up. Pac Man, at his elusive best, should be able to get the decision here, but it's a tough call! I'm going with the quicker, more athletic guy, but if Cotto keeps the jab going, and manages to land some hooks to the body, it could easily go the other way.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:04:26 PM
deepwater:  cotto is gonna throw straight rights followed up by left hook t the body. watch freddy lose his mind if cotto lands near the belt. cotto wins but hey manny keeps surprising me. looking forward to a great fight.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:14:42 PM
paulbo:  This fight is just painfully difficult to pick. A few days before fight time, and I still don't have a pick. The boxing fan in me wants to think Pac-Man is as invincible as we once thought Mike Tyson was. I mean, the guy has looked absolutely invincible in his last couple of fights. Another side of me remembers how high everyone was on Felix Trinidad when he destroyed William Joppy and David Reid. People assumed he was going to get by Bernard Hopkins, but Hopkins was just too big and good. That could be exactly what's unfolding this time. So who's going to win? I still don't know, but this is why you've got to love boxing.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:30:07 PM
Radam G - nakakatuwa kayong mga manunulat ng boksing:  Wow! Hahahahahahahahahaha! All respect due to Fightwriter F-Lo. Manny will take Miguel into deepwaters quickly and whale tail slap him silly and savagely. All you sailors out there know what I'm talking about. Many ships -- BIG SHIPS -- have had encounters with the blow, bunk and/or strike of a whale's punch. It ain't pretty! And you will hear: MAY DAY! MAY DAY! Abandon ship! Like so many fighters, who went up in weight, the PacMan's power and speed has increased. No more starving and drying out. He has the punch of a WHALE. Whatever Miguel tries, it will be to no avail. Because Miguel is running his own show. There is no Team Cotto. In the deepwaters of the PacMan, it will be to no avail. One to four is all the rounds that I expect for Miguel to be able to go. Holla!
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:38:15 PM
Radam G @ deepwater:  Can Miguel Cotto swim with the sharks and survive the attack of an awesome whale punch? Holla!
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:40:45 PM
Jason:  First and foremost, this is a great weekend for boxing. I think even the most rabid Pacquiao and Cotto fans can agree upon that. ----- That said, I also picked Cotto by late stoppage on the prediction page, and did so for the reasons that Author Frank points out. Manny Pacquiao is entering uncharted waters taking on a prime Miguel Cotto at 145, and he deserves IMMENSE credit for accepting such a noteworthy challenge (imagine that, the undisputed #1 P4P fighter in the world SEEKING OUT a brutally tough assignment). ----- I don't think any of us knows how Manny will react when hit by a true, top welterweight. That's the basis for my prediction. The Oscar demolition? I pay it no mind whatsoever. It was clear Oscar was completely shot, and in retrospect, I think his fight with Forbes should have signaled a sea of red flags. The Hatton demolition? Impressive, very impressive, much more impressive than the Oscar victory. Why? Because he brutalized Hatton at his (Hatton's) optimum weight of 140, something that had never been done before, and I'm not convinced that Ricky was at the "slaughter me" level for that bout. But Hatton simply cannot be compared to Cotto. ----- I think that Manny will win the early rounds with his speed and angles, but I don't think he'll be able to damage Miguel, who's been in with many murderous punching welterweights (one aside, Cotto's split decision win against Clottey -an exceptional welterweight- actually elevates him in my mind; there's no shame in beating Joshua Clottey, a formidable guy that in another era would probably be a notable champ). As the fight wears on, Miguel will lay some leather on Manny and that's when the essential question of this fight will be answered: Can Manny stand in there with a big, strong, legitimate welterweight like Cotto when the going gets tough? We'll see, and I'll sure be watching.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:57:15 PM
Jackas:  Hey Frank I doubt that you are betting with your prediction.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 04:57:58 PM
Castro:  Amen! Couldn't agree with you more Frank! I seriously cannot wait anymore for this fight to go down! COTTO's gonna cut the ring off & he's gonna bring the PAIN! Manny can bob & weave all he want's (cotto will do the same), but you can't run all night! Sooner or later Cotto will connect & hopefully knock this dude out. Or just keep bombin on Pac until they throw in the towel! Famous words from the legendary Mills Lane...."Let's get it on!!"
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:02:46 PM
Buboy F:  Have no doubt. It's going to be Manny Pacquiao winning by a knockout on the third. Add to it, Manny did it without a scratch. Please, no excuses after the fight.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:03:59 PM
deepwater:  whale punch? im not sure on that one. but could pac man beat margarito? the one with the loaded gloves? if you dont see him beating cheatarito then how could you think pacman can beat cotto? cotto had margarito beat for 9 rounds.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:07:55 PM
deepwater:  radam do you think pacman could beat sugar shane? if not why would he beat cotto then.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:08:42 PM
Francisco:  I really believe Cotto is going to pull this one off. Thats what my gut says. I'll go with a convincing unanimous decision.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:16:46 PM
cotto_puerto_rico:  cotto and puerto rico will win on the night of novermber 14, 2009. why? coz pacquiao just dug his own grace by accepting the fight. small man versus a big power puncher of a big man. guess who wins. cotto destroys pacquiao. pacquiao loses but gets $3 million still.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:21:55 PM
Jonald:  I think this fight is similar to Hopkins-Trinidad. Trinidad had steadily risen up the weight classes, killing everyone, and was a huge favorite to beat BHop. Then we learned that a real middleweight was too much. I think that happens here. Cotto KO in 6.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:22:20 PM
Xandro:  While I am for Pacquiao, I honestly believe that this fight could go either way. While I admire and have confidence in Pacquiao's ability, the things for Cotto as pointed out by the author are nagging concerns behind my head. And that's what makes this fight TRULY EXCITING. I just hope that after stating the author's case for Cotto, there will be NO MORE EXCUSES for Cotto should Pacquiao happen to beat him. And I hope the boxing world will give to Pacquiao the RESPECT of being a TRUE CHAMPION for having achieved 7 World Titles in 7 Divisions; a feat UNEQUALLED in ALL OF BOXING HISTORY.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:22:41 PM
Kukuks:  When asked which one has the advantage, the speed or power?? Cotto answered; "if both combined..". I have not doubt Manny has both the speed and the power because he held 75% KO victories. So I don't think Manny has no capability to floor down Cotto. Though I don't underestimate Cotto's ability, I pick on Manny KO or decision win.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 05:53:14 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  The only way I see Cotto winning this one is by landing one of those miracle punch. A punch that you don't see coming. Cotto can't outbox Manny, he don't possess the type of counter-punching ability to disrupt Manny's leathal left hand. If he tries to box Manny he will be easy pickings(this would be Morales trilogy all over again). If Cotto becomes too aggressive he will make my prediction look like it was from my 6 year old son. He will go down early if Cotto tries to bully Manny. Manny is at full strength and is ready to go to war. Though Roach would prefer a more cautious Cotto he doesn't mind him hunting as well.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 06:01:23 PM
TotoyBato:  Make up your mind. Is Cotto going to be stronger or weaker when he faces Pacquiao? Too much speculation. One thing is for sure, Miguel Cotto's extended training will guarantee that he shows up on fight night in the best shape of his life. Miguel is motivated and trained hard. Manny Pacquiao will have the distinction of annihilating the best Miguel Cotto that ever was.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 06:09:27 PM
Adoremus:  I am praying that more boxing fans would believe you Mr. boxing analyst/writer. You still got a chance to those who are yet to be convinced of Pacquiao's march to greatness. The more people on your side of the fence, the more money my bet wins every time. Thanks!
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 06:09:30 PM
in touch:  I don't even see Cotto landing a miraculous punch on Pacman. Pac sees everything coming. In sparring he was evading shots whenever he wanted to. He could not even be touched. When this fight takes place, the most apparent thing is going to be the speed. It will look like a Ferrari vs. a Honda. No matter how hard you step on the pedal, the Honda can only go so fast. And the driver of this Ferrari has a tendency to step hard on the pedal! And he don't take his foot off until he gets a ticket. (ticket signifying KO.).
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 06:12:37 PM
Gavin Policarpio:  Very interesting analysis..What puzzles me is when they say Manny is not this weight or that weight and cannot handle this weight and that weight. Or Manny's opponent is too big or too strong etc. Hatton was never beaten or knocked down in his career in jr.welterweight division unitl Manny " the too small, cannot handle natural jr.welterweight " etc demolished him in two rounds. Floyd took him 10 rounds and it was Floyd's natural weight division. In the end, it's strategy, power, speed, guts and chin that will prevail. Manny has all these ingredients. Do you really think that Cotto can handle the punch that Manny gave Hatton that put him into sleep? The extra weight that Manny added means even stronger and devastating punches coming Cotto's way. Manny's punches are guaranteed to land because Cotto can be stationary at timesbut Cotto regardless of power needs a LUCKY shot to hit Manny who's always moving and not an easy target! Also Cotto doesn't throw combinations quickly enough to inflict noticeable damage while Manny will inflict punches and combinations that will deteriorate Cotto's power. You cannot compare Manny's speed or power to anybody as his footwork is his biggest weapon and his newly developed right hand that carries the same power as his finishing left. Think about it. Manny in less than 4 round by KO.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 06:22:52 PM
mabii:  A great fight with two well matched fighters at or near thier prime. If Cotto fights as well as he can he could win this by boxing and punching. Thing is I really dont think Cotto can take hard shots consistently at this stage in his career and this will happen in this fight. On the other hand Manny will not get discouraged - he will just keep punching. I see a late stoppage for Manny due to an accumulation of punishment similar to what happened in the Margarito fight.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 06:41:52 PM
rikkk5:  Zab Judah was weakened by foul shots before he was weakened by real punches. I afraid he will do it again with Manny.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:01:15 PM
Radam G -- anong oras na? Alas PacMAN!:  @deepwater, you are drowning me with that comedy. Do you know what time it is? Manny would kayo Margarito, PERIOD! There has not been proof that he had loaded gloves. Myths are woven in this hurt bitnezz all the darn time. Elements and traces of plaster of Paris is not plaster of Paris. I have plaster of Paris in my BIG D___! Oh! I musta fo'got! Mine is hardrock of Mindanao. Every time I see the right honeybunny and get that feeling. KABOOM! My pants shoot out about 14 inches, lmfao! Okay, not quite 14 inches! Any way! Bernard "B-Hop" Hopkins said that Manny is going to chop Cotto up. "Do a Bruce Lee on Cotto." And this is where I get aggravated. Why can't AmerKanos accept Asians as SUPERBAD boxing machines. Everything we do has to always be compare to Asian martial arts, featuring Bruce Lee. I'm constantly hearing now and I hear it when I was a dominant kid boxer and professional. A lot of times people thought that I was Mexican, but once that they found out I was Asian, they started teasing karate chops a
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:36:26 PM
Zedrake:  This statement really is foolish "He has never been hit nearly as hard as he will be hit on November 14th". Pacquiao is used to sparring with bigger boxers. And just for this fight, he sparred with a Jr middleweight in Shawn Porter. Have you checked his fights on the internet? Man, that guy packs a "punch"! And you can never argue that his punches are nowhere near Cotto's power. Sure, the guy has less experience than Cotto, but if you'll talk about him having lesser power then think again.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:44:56 PM
machogwapitoamigo:  simple.how can you hit a very fast moving target? you need a machine gun dude. Cotto is not a machine gun he's just a pistol. He'll just throw his strong jab in the air hitting nothing.Pac on late rounds knockout.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:52:49 PM
Radam G -- WTF:  Sorry about that! My Blackberry went wacky. And it is not my coconut juice. My fingers are as steady as Freddy. Any way, deepwater, you get my point. Manny will also whoopa whop Sugar Shane Mosley into bitter salt and blow him away. Haven't you seen and read the TIME Magazine? It is PacMan TIME. It's Pinoy TIME! It's Asian TIME. It is the wrong time for Miguel Cotto. By the way, where in the heck is Donputo? I bet that he was in that posse of Ricans who sold me this fake, cheap-arse Rolex watch. This sucka is already turning my wrist green. I'm about to throw it in the trashcan. Donputo, if you were in that Rican Posse, WHAD UP? Idenitify yourself. And give my moola back I cannot post my room number here. Some strangers may show up and keep beat down. There are no OJ Simpsons in my Posse. Though Ahmad Johnson is a dude in my posse who look like a young OJ. Fudge this BlackBerry. I'm out! OMG! Antonio Margarito is here. I gotta go and ask him about the alleged Plaster of Mayon Indians of Mexican -- or was that Paris? Dude doesn't speak French. Why use that cheap Paris jive? Holla!
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:55:44 PM
ultimoshogun:  Good points.....both these guys better pack a lunch come saturday cuz they're both gonna have to work hard to impose their will on one another but I still got Pacman winning in the championship rounds.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:56:26 PM
Vrodz:  Best damn Article I have read yet. I agree completly with everything you have written. I am a fan of both fellows but I think Manny has finally bitten more than he can chew.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 07:57:17 PM
Pinoy Ako:  A lot of people talk about cotto's power but hey haven't you noticed that he'd been flooring guys who never tasted the canvass before. i'm sure cotto's power is great but manny's is equal. if cotto hits manny that would be a problem for manny but it's the same thing if manny hits cotto. the guy who hits first will get the KO and i'm betting on the guy with the faster hands and feet.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:01:12 PM
Fe'Roz :  When i read the title of this piece on my Blackberry I honestly thought it read the case for Pacquiao over Cotto. I fell asleep last night re-watching Clottey-Cotto but stayed up long enough to see what i remembered watching ringside. Cotto is slower and more tentative than in the past. he is also very easy to hit. Clottey was able to land his jab often and hard and his left uppercut virtually at will. That was before the cut opened over Cotto's left eye. Now correct me if I'm wrong but Clottey is a strong man but he is not known for speed and/or volume. Manny is. If the Cotto that fought here in NYC last June shows up on Saturday, Cotto is in trouble. Manny practically demanded Arum make the fight with Miguel immediately after the final bell. We can only imagine that, despite his size and heart, Manny saw trends, habits and flaws he is confident he can exploit. I know I did. So for me the question is: Has Cotto gone to the Well Once Too Many.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:27:17 PM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:  I think he can outbox Pac. Pac has improved his boxing skills but he's still not as skilled as Cotto. Now speed can off set some of that but I think that what it going to come down to skills. I hope he doesn't think his size is going to when the fight cause it wont it's called a sweet science for a reason. He has beat speed before in Zab & Shane, now what worries me is neither one of them use there feet like Pac and that's were the difference is. Cotto do me a favor do not chase him box counter punch and make him miss in the pocket cause when he misses he's off balance and you can't miss him if your in the pocket. I got Cotto winning by KO in the later rounds or by SD.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:32:11 PM
ferdinand calderon:  two boxers that can beat the pacman....wladimir and vitali. simple as that.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:39:06 PM
reality:  Thats the point here, Pac will get hit with power hes never felt before and that could decide the fight. I just dont want to hear all that ''cant hit what you cant reach crap'' because Pac WILL get hit. Cotto has a great jab, fast hands and perfect timing, thats all he needs, I mean, Pac will try to hit Cotto right. Well, the tools I just mentioned will guarantee that when Pac does his move, jumps in and fires at Cotto he will crash in to a punch.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:42:33 PM
Fe'Roz @ Ali:  I know from time to time my criticism of Floyd rubs you the wrong way, even though I try to give him his props when due. And I always acknowledge his skills. I hope you know that I do this respectfully....and that I feel the same about you, your insights and your opinions. The question I want to ask you is do you really prefer Cotto and believe that he is the better fighter... and will win. Or do you want him to stop Pacquiao's further rise to the top ....which some might argue takes some of Floyd's glory with him. pc
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:53:44 PM
sniper:  No way the speed of PACMAN can be neutralized by Cotto. Take a look at the last fight of Cotto against Cloty he is almost lose. He is very slow & vulnerable of hit. Whereas Manny is ver quick can easily move away infront of Cotto. Just refer to the PACMAN vs ODLH. This fight will be same with it. He will take a hard time finding PACMAN in his side.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:55:51 PM
al:  Valid points made. Given that each guy has the power to end the fight with one punch, Manny's chances are better than Miguel's because he will catch Miguel more often. Also, the only guys of late who really caught and hurt Manny are Marquez and Morales (the first fight). Clearly, only boxers with exceptional techncal skills can catch Manny often enough to have a chance to hurt him. Is Miguel as technically proficient? No, so what he has is a puncher's chance.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 09:09:31 PM
Vboyz:  when manny fight oscar : fighters alike, writers, and other boxing afficionados say that manny is no match to the great Oscar. they laugh at it and all agreed it is a mismatch. then the night comed, the Pacman surprised everbody of his demolition of Oscar in 8 rounds... after that, they all say he is a drained fighter, blah blah.. When Manny fight Hatton: Same scenario happened.. They are saying that he is uncharted waters , can he take a punch from a bigger guy, can he hurt a bigger guy, he is small for hatton, hatton will bang him up, etc. After the 2nd round lights out knockout. All are surprised. but then and again, they say that hatton is underrated, no defense, not of Manny's class, blah blah... Now for this fight: The Situation repeats itself again.. Hey, i dont care if manny wins or lose, he already got the top spot. in boxing but not all the respect he deserve to have. Can everybody explain how Torres almost ended Cotto's streak by rocking him a couple of times? thanks to the money shot left hook to the lower part of the body saves the day. He may be now a full pledge welterweight but his chin is proven to be questionable. But i admire his guts to still stand there and he have good balance. but once he falls hard, it will be difficult for him to get up.. this fight is fair to me and it can go either way. size does not play much here. the one who can first hurt the other fighter and consistently do it will win.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 09:29:23 PM
Anony:  SOON TO BE SENIOR CITIZENS ALWAYS BRAG ABOUT WHAT "THEY HAVE" AND WHAT "THEY DID" IN THEIR LIVES WHICH IS REALLY A REFLECTION OF WHAT "THEY DON'T HAVE AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT"... Really a sad comment to read. And they say they love TSS but don't respect the website. I guess this was the case of a drunk episode. Sad one for real. Now, Lotierzo did a great analysis but I was under the impression he was betting on Pacman.... Change of heart??? Don't matter. He got to be among the 15% of writers who are picking Cotto. But no prediction will work out until both fighters face each others. I believe in Cotto not only because he is Boricua but because I believe what he and his team has been saying all along and the work they have been doing for the last three months - "The fight will be won in camp" - Cotto said. I believe him. One thing I'm sure, I'm glad Cotto is not doing movies, politics, or celebrity duties. He just need to get there and make us puertoricans feel proud - loose or win. God bless both fighters. I'm a Pacman fan as well and I will not rest saying he was better off fighting Berto to get a better chance to achieve the 7 belts status. He picked the wrong guy in Cotto and the decision was based in profits, not in making history.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 10:51:45 PM
REAL TALK:  Cotto will do to many what Tony did to him last summer. Walk him down and crush him . I'm going to get Dougie off of OPM after this one. Fly den a mutha !!! Beleive that ;-) Dueces
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 11:26:59 PM
Excited:  Can't wait to hear the excuses after PAC KOs Cotto. Because all that will be left for these so called experts to write are excuses (again), after the man they picked to bang the PAC ends up being KTFOd..
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 11:32:00 PM
Fe'Roz @ Real Talk:  If styles make fights you couldn't have picked two polar opposites for comparison. Tony comes forward with height, relentless pressure and volume. Cotto fights best while set and terribly when going backward. Cotto will not fight Manny like Antonio fought him. It's not his style. He may however go backward when Manny's volume and speed create pressure...on him. And his uppercuts come up and under him. If he backs Manny up, do you really believe Manny will stay on the ropes like Margarito or Clottey would. Not very likely. This fight is going to be fought the center of the ring.... whether that suits Miguel best or not.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 11:42:24 PM
Bigrich693:  This one is actually pretty easy to decide. Cotto has always had trouble with southpaws ( corley,Judah). In both cases,cotto has been rocked a punch and it's one punch only.....the uppercut. Early on,in cottos "feelng out stage" he leaves himself wide open for the uppercut(Mosley even caught him with that one). I know for a fact that Roach knows this and has been working in this behind closed doors. I see pacman within 5. Cottos chin is worse after the margacheato beating and I don't think he can handle anymore punishment. Look out for the uppercut!
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 01:55:10 AM
Yes Yo!:  Hey, I respect the writer's opinion that Cotto will defeat Manny. I won't criticize him for this 'coz just like everybody else he is entitled to be wrong. Just like the first time he was wrong he thought Oscar would beat Manny. Just like the second time he was wrong when he though Ricky would bamboozle Manny. I guess we can't take it against the guy too much if he is again wrong for the third time that Cotto obliterate Manny. A lot of people, like the writer, pay lip service to Manny being great and all that, but in reality it is almost as if if they can't accept and embrace that greatness even if were staring them down right on their faces! After Manny defeats Cotto (and I predict in no less spectacular fashion than when Manny embarrassed Hatton) will this writer finally become a believer and accept that Pacquiao is all that the world says he is, and MEAN IT? Or would he again come up with a subtle excuse that well, Manny only defeated a Cotto that was merely a shell of what was once a great fighter?
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 01:56:57 AM
Matthew:  The key to this fight is the first couple of rounds. Cotto is a notoriously slow starter, so expect Pacquiao to jump on him early. If Cotto is not overwhelmed early, he should settle in. Cotto is very heavy-handed, so I'm interested to see how Pacquiao reacts when and if he's caught cleanly. I see Cotto wearing Pacquiao down as the fight goes on. I've picked against Manny before, so I may regret this prediction, but I think Cotto turns it on down the stretch and wins a close decision.
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 07:48:12 AM
The Saint:  First off, I don't necessarily agree that Judah is stronger or more powerful than Pacquiao. But regardless, Cotto's win over Judah was the direct result of his blatant low blows, starting from the very first one that stopped Judah's momentum in the first round after Cotto was clearly shaken by Judah's uppercut. You can dismiss the low blow as just one punch, but that's the same thing as dismissing Pacquiao's overhand left on Hatton's chin as only one punch. It was damaging and fight changing. Second, the comparisons between Trinidad and Pacquiao and Hopkins and Cotto are way off. Trinidad has always been a one-dimensional fighter and was considered a puncher and a brawler going in against Hopkins. He never displayed the versatility of Pacquiao. Cotto is no Bernard Hopkins. Cotto wins fights with strength and physicality, not his boxing ability. When you have a significant advantage in strength against your opponents the way Cotto had in the majority of his fights, you can fight however way you want and make it work. Cotto's boxing ability, while generally overshadowed by his power, is still overrated. Unfortunately for Pacquiao, Cotto will probably have a significant strength advantage over him, but fortunately for Pacquiao, he has the speed and more power than Cotto's used to. I'm not talking about on a single punch basis, for certainly Margarito hits harder than Pac in that sense and probably Shane Mosley as well. But Pacquiao is able to deliver his power effectively and knows how to land sharp punches cleanly. He also has the mentality of being the predator, something Cotto is not used to. I think the greatest threat to Pacquiao is Cotto's left jab, which will be key to neutralizing Pacquiao's speed and momentum. Finally, I believe that it is Cotto who is underestimating Pacquiao, not the other way around. Cotto's confidence seems to stem from being the bigger, stronger fighter rather than being the more skilled.
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 09:17:10 AM
mortcola:  Frank - As usual, smart and and subtle analysis. One point of difference. Judah is a quick handed fighter. However, I think Pacquiao is an order of magnitude faster with his hands. Also, character is funny stuff - character determines how skill and technique will be implemented in the ring - how consistently, with what level of concentration. Though Judah is a skilled boxer, even against Cotto he has never established or sustained a fight plan, but offered a smorgasbord of moves and angles, and when pressed or hurt, regressed to gutsy slugging. His character weakness amounts to his skills dissipating when he needs them most. I do not believe this will happen to Pacquiao. So, the comparison is superficial. If Pacquiao can handle Cotto's power without coming undone, he will win by a KO or lopsided decision. If he cannot, Cotto will stop him by neutralizing Pac-man's physical advantages (speed, power, tactical focus), making him a great small man being hurt by a very good big man. I opt for the first scenario - I do not think Cotto will get to Pac-man before he himself is buzzed, winded, overhwhelmed by pace and volume, and possibly sliced up. He will be hit very solidly and quickly, and I don't think he will stand up to it. I don't wish this on either fighter, because, like others, I root for both of them. And I won't be surprised if I am proven wrong.
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 09:17:35 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @Ali, I think Cotto is better off trying to box Manny in the fight. If Cotto tries to walk him down Manny is always set for a good counter of his own. Cotto does not bull rush like Margarito because of his size and he doesn't lead with his right too often. That jab of Cotto will be a key punch that can slow Manny's tracks. If Cotto isn't careful this will end quickly but if he boxes he can try to match stamina vs stamina. We have yet to see Manny into deep waters so Manny's conditioning must be at his best.
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 10:15:45 AM
brownsugar:  in my days as a boxer,.. I always walked down the fast handed boxers,.. whether they hit hard or not,.. because keeping a fighter on the backfoot means he can't hit you as hard (or often) backing up,.. Cotto knows this and had pretty good success when he chose to walk down Clottey in their fight,.. Cotto is too experienced to walk into a KO,.. but I can't see him running from a smaller guy no matter how good he is,.. the press conference was very revealing,.. you could sense the tremendous tension of both fighters... they both look like they're ready to fight right now,.. in the parking lot,.. Manny has the edge there,.. because he's by far the looser guy before a fight,... still joking while it took a lot of effort for Cotto to force a fake smile... but I like the confidense Cotto displayed,.. definitely looks dangerous,.. like a serial killer,.. can't wait for fight nite...
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 12:24:59 PM
Rock Steady:  This will be a great fight. We forget this is boxing not MMA! Speed and technique will allow Pacquiao to win. He is a better boxer and is not afraid to sit down on punches for more power. We saw that Cotto wouldnt sit down on his punches against a bigger Margarito, but Pacquiao isnt a Margarito (sp). We have to give Freddie Roach credit in picking the correct punch for the tendency of the opposition. We quickly forget the great left hook landed against Hatton. Cotto has tendencies, Zab exposed them early (someone compared the two). My concern is Cotto being the only voice in his corner. What some of the other supporters forget is that any man, any size can be KO-ed. Like Tyson said in his newest documentary,"It is not the power, but the speed and the accuracy of the power" If there is a hole in Cotto's approach and it is habitual it will be exposed early and often. Again this will be a great fight but my money is on Freddie Roach and his game plan versus the size of Miguel Cotto!! Pacquiao in an early KO (yes a KO) Don't blink unless you have DVR.
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 02:02:48 PM
NO DILUSION:  Its going to be a blood bath, IM SICK OF YOU PAC NUTTHUGGERS talking about cotto like he used to spar with you. FREDDIE ROACH IS A JOKE, for without manny he`ll be nowhere (training hollywood stars). Why couldn`t he get DE LAHOYA to beat MONEY MAY? WHY couldn`t he get Israel to beat MARQUEZ the first time? WHY COULD`NT he get pacman to beat Morales the first time? HOW can he say Shawn Porter has a better left hook than COTTO? Has he tried being hit by COTTO himself? IT would sure knock the shaking off his a**. What is going to unfold Saturday night will only shock the pacquiao a** kissers. The man is not a GOD, and he can sure get hit and knocked out. He will get pummeled from rope to rope before Mr. COTTO gets him out of there. It has nothing to do with him being Asian, or smaller, or anything of that sort. It`s just that Cotto takes souls, he destroys dreams ala Malignagi, Zab, Shane, Quintana, and many many more.... After COTTO bloodies and punishes pacquiao, Im curious about what Mr. will have to say. COTTO by DEFINATE KO.....ALL ROUND POSSIBLE.....TRY AND LIVE WITH THAT....
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 02:44:32 PM
jujdred:  It will be an upper cut, hook, cross combo that will bedazzle Cotto and lull him to sleep. Watch Cotto's previous fights adn you will know what I mean...
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 03:38:50 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  If Cotto pressures Manny into an all out brawl I think Manny takes him out by the third. If Cotto is cautious and waits on Manny to make a mistake then he would have a better chance at winning rounds or maybe take him out in the late rounds. Manny is no Clottey who doesn't put together a lot of punches and is not as willing to trade. Cotto must not feel overconfident because of his size.
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 04:50:11 PM
mortcola:  Boil it down to the elements. Pac is faster and more unpredictable in his angles. He also sets a much faster pace. Cotto is (presumably) stronger and more methodical. Cotto cuts, bruises, and swells. Manny punches sharp, quick, hard, often, and counters effectively, especially between the beats of a methodical, steady-rhythm fighter. If Manny can take Cotto's power - since he certainly will get hit a few times - then he beats every elements of Cotto's game. If Manny opts to be safe because he doesn't like the taste of Cotto's power, I still see him outlanding Miguel. If he presses and counters in the exchanges, he beats Miguel to the punch and overwhelms him. The only possible way for Cotto to win is if his power - delivered - breaks Pac down. Otherwise it is a lopsided win for Pac, probably by TKO after swarms of shots under and over. Play it out technically, boxing experts. What scenarios other than a few decisive Cotto bombs (think Hopkins-DLH, Frazier-Foster) could result in Cotto win? He won't land more shots; he won't match output and accuracy in the trenches; he won't slip Pac's shots and counter effectively. It will have to be power breaking down the little man, and it would be a surprise if Cotto is able to deliver that without getting shredded trying. But Cotto has a good arsenal, and is intelligent as long as his neurons are firing. It will be amazing to watch.
Friday Nov 13, 2009 07:57:36 AM
RED:  To be sure, this is Manny’s fight to lose. Still, the blueprint for Cotto to follow in order to have a competitive (if not successful) outing against Manny was originally drawn by Juan Manuel Marquez. Basically, bring pressure. Counter punching is fabulous when you’re facing an opponent with either minor or average hand speed. Manny’s speed is superior to Miguel’s and his punching power unquestioned. Boxing is fantastic when you’re fighting a slower or inaccurate opponent. Manny is faster and more accurate than Miguel. However, imposing your strength on the smaller guy round after round will leave its mark. Juan Manuel Marquez fought Manny, period. He did this without any significant advantage in size, speed or accuracy. He gave Manny fits. He certainly got hit but he took Manny deep in waters he’s not accustomed to be in. If Miguel comes out fighting he’ll give Manny a run for his money. Everyone following this fight, including a particular fan by the name of Freddy Roach, knows that Manny has the potential to get hit like has never been hit before. If Manny’s barrages do not stop Cotto before 5, well, Manny is in for a real fight.
Friday Nov 13, 2009 09:47:00 AM
c box:  This looks all to familar. I remember a felix trinadad destroying some fighters as he climed weight to set up the mega match To fight roy jones.(fighters that I can't rember any of they re names.) Until he met hopkinks a natural at that weight. Let us not get too hyped up by mannys recent impressive wins Over some good name washed up fighters . They maybe looking a step to far for that mega fight with floyd. Cotto maybe pacmans hopkins.. I'm just saying. And please that rolex joke sux!!!
Friday Nov 13, 2009 01:30:20 PM

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