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Friday Nov 6, 2009

Valuev will weigh one hundred pounds more than Haye on fight night. Haye says size doesn't matter, speed will speak loudest. Agree, TSS U?

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The Hayemaker's Moment

By Ron Borges


      David Haye’s moment has come and regardless of how it turns out,  it will be a weighty one.

      The former all-but-undisputed cruiserweight champion boasted for some time about what he would do if he ever laid his hands on heavyweight champions Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko and then ducked both of them after agreeing to fights with each so he could instead face the far less formidable of the reigning champions, WBA titleholder Nikolai Valuev. Tonight in Nuremberg the boxing world will learn if that was a wise calculation by the British-born Haye or simply a massive undertaking for which he was ill-prepared.

      Friday night in Germany the two weighed in and the hard-punching Brit with the sometimes suspect chin was barely one stone (14 pounds) above the cruiserweight limit of 200 pounds. At a tad under 217, he appeared fit and fierce. What he did not appear to be was a guy who belonged in the same ring with a towering presence like Valuev. That doesn’t mean this will prove to be the case because in boxing looks can be deceiving and size does not always matter.

      Still, Valuev stands seven feet tall and weighed in at 314.6 pounds, nearly 100 pounds more than Haye, who never looked more like a junior heavyweight than he did standing next to a guy whose head seemed like it would not fit on Haye’s neck.

      To his credit, Haye has said repeatedly, “I don’t care what I weigh. I haven’t looked at the scales’’ so when Valuev came up weighing a full straw-weight more than Haye he was already prepared for the discrepancy. Whether he’s still ready tonight remains to be seen but Haye understands an important thing about boxing. He understands it’s a sport more about speed than size, more about explosiveness than brute strength.

      And in those areas Hayes (22-1, 21 KO) seems to have it all over Valuev. The question is whether the Hayemaker can get close enough to Valuev to make those things a factor because Valuev has more than a straw-weight advantage over him. He also has an 85-inch reach, a five-inch advantage over Haye that the cruiserweight will have to find a way to overcome.

      How to do it, he believes, is obvious. Whether he can or not remains to be seen.

      “He’s never fought anyone as fast or who punches as hard as me,’’ Haye insisted this week and, frankly, he’s probably right. In boxing, speed is power and Haye has both, the latter being generated by the former.

      He also has the kind of athleticism that seems likely to give the ponderous moving Valuev (50-1, 34 KO) trouble, although everyone who has been in with Valuev felt the same was true and left the ring admitting the  two-time champion was a better fighter and more difficult opponent to face than they thought.

      Haye may find the same is true for him, especially since he’s more than nine inches shorter. To give away nearly 100 pounds in weight, nearly half a foot in reach and more than that in length is, well, to ask for trouble but that is what boxing is. It’s a willing acceptance of trouble, or at least the potential for it.

      Haye understands that but he also understands the gamble he made by walking out on arranged fights with both Klitschko brothers in the hope of picking up a third of the title first to improve his negotiating position was a wise gamble. It may not pay off but don’t tell that to the Hayemaker, who has insisted ever since the fight was agreed to that “I’m going to make him look silly. I’m going to embarrass him. People physically can’t see how I can beat him. They can’t see how I can get close enough to hit him.

      “I’ve never fought anyone his size so I’ve got to make up for the physical limitations by going at him with things he’s never seen before. I’ve got to punch from different angles with ridiculous speed.. I’ll do it with fast, explosive movements and cleverness.’’

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Freemore:  Im really excited about this one! Being English i hope to god that Haye can do it although my head says that Valuev is going to wear Haye down in the later rounds. I think Hayes early onslaught will not have the desired effect. If Haye boxes smart he can cruise this but his appetite for excitement and getting opponents out early could count against him. Saying that i would not be too surprised if Haye does smash the giant early. Valuev has not been in with anyone as athletic or explosive as Haye and it may come as a shock to him. C'mon Hayemaker, bring it home!!!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 09:59:09 AM
Kool-Aid:  The "Haye" Maker lands in the 5th round...Haye TKO5 over Valuev. Heard it here 1st!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 10:37:36 AM
mabii:  These last comments are what now makes me a believer in the Hayemaker. He needs to be fast and explosive against Valuev with different angles. I also believe he needs to be up close, banging Valuev with hooks to the body when he can. What he cannot afford to do is to be at the end of Valuevs jab and straight right. I dont think he should try to knock valuev out because the Russian does seem to take a good shot. I pick haye to win by Unanimous decision.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 10:40:14 AM
Richard Wikander:  As an American, I sincerely hope that Valuev wins, for two related reasons that have nothing to do with actual boxing ability: first, I detest Haye's trashy talking and behavior. Classless antics have unfortunately become commonplace in sports, and I have to particularly fault American athletes, and their influence, as the major offenders in this regard; Haye is a product of this, in my opinion. Second, I very much appreciate Valuev's apparent complexity as an individual. This element, coupled with his obviously atypical size and appearance, ought to give the boxing world plenty of reason to find him a very interesting and noteworthy champion. I don't really understand why more attention is not paid to this.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 10:57:20 AM
Shane:  Valuev overpowers him with size, weight and power. I got Haye quitting in his corner from being pounded to a pulp. Look at all the other Valuev fights. Much heavier men, who could barely take the pounding. Haymaker out in 8!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 10:57:31 AM
Sabseg50:  Sorry, guys, but Valuev is going to show the world what a great fake Haye is!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 11:16:04 AM
DaveB:  Valuev is a limited fighter. Holyfield, I thought, did enough to deserve the decision. I think Haye is fast enough to do enough to get a well-deserved decision. Haye does not want to get his chin tested, especially by someone who weighs 314 pounds. We will have to see if Valuev can keep Haye at bay with his long reach and if Valuev will have seemly more power than before against this small heavyweight. Will Haye's bravado fail once he actually gets into the ring or will he be the real deal? Anyway I think Haye can do enough to get the victory unless they do a Holyfield on him as far as the decision.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 11:16:16 AM
dp69 at JFK airport on my way to Vegas:  Haye by ko late....holla back!!!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 12:18:42 PM
katua:  where is this boxing match being shown online?
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 12:27:08 PM
Fistic Fury:  Haye by KO inside 10...
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 12:33:02 PM
the Roast:  Valuev by TKO. Haye quits on his stool late in the fight.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 01:54:19 PM
pete:  Valuev--KO 6.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 03:11:52 PM
Pete steward:  Haye in 1rd
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 03:55:29 PM
the Roast:  David Haye is the new WBA champion by MD!!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 05:00:28 PM
LeRoy A. Peters:  I hate David Haye even more now!!! It is up to Vitali Klitschko now to get rid of this guy!!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 05:21:47 PM
dp69 16-1:  Didnt ko his ass, but he got the MD....16-1 this year....klitschko sisters are next....holla back!!!
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 05:35:16 PM
Yuvie:  I'm a fan of Haye even more now!!! He got a decision against a 'home' fighter in Germany. Boring fight but Haye at least showed he could hurt Valuev in the 12th. He probably could have knocked him out if he had employed those tactics early on. Valuev was all over the place. Haye won't get his props yet from americans. Though if he was american, he'd be a heavyweight hero right now.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 05:37:29 PM
the Roast:  No way Haye beats the Klit Bros. No way. Bring Holyfield to Wembley for Haye's first defence. Close the roof. Evander by KO.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 08:39:19 PM
brownsugar:  I picked him(along with many others),... and he's the first to noticably really hurt the huge Russian,.. I don't think he's ready today for Klits,... give him a little more time,.. but if he were to connect on Wlad like he did against Valuev,.. a KO is entirely possible... there's really no way to look that good against Valuev unless you are a giant yourself,... Hey,.. I see the Don is back in the mix..
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 10:18:18 PM
donputo69 in some club out here in Vegas:  Yeah brownsugar...kind of....lol....i've been real busy lately...havent had much time in here in TSS U....but trust me....after Nov.14, everybody in the U will be hearing me loud and clear....lol....anyway....gotta go now....i have 3 mami's waiting for me outside now....lol....after that, im gonna see if i can catch my boy Cotto tonight or tomorrow....holla back!!!s
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 11:39:06 PM

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