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Pacquiao Must Do Huge PPV Numbers To Deal With Mayweather
By Frank Lotierzo
As the anticipation for Pacquiao-Cotto begins to escalate, it's hard not to think about the fight that's gotta happen but isn't a given to happen if Pacquiao wins, that being of course Pacquiao-Mayweather. I'm not selling Cotto short and a win by Miguel shouldn't be considered an upset, despite him being a 3-1 underdog. But when considering Pacquiao has the style advantage and is the bigger star, it's hard to envision Cotto being awarded the decision even if he clearly earns it. In order for Cotto to garner a decision verdict over Pacquiao he'll have too practically beat him almost beyond recognition. And the reason for that is because there's so much money riding on a potential Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
Everybody wants to see Pacquiao and Mayweather fight, even quasi boxing fans care about it and want to see it. But that doesn't mean it will happen. Mayweather hasn't really shown an interest in the fight and acts as though he doesn't care or need for the fight to take place. Floyd knows that he's gotten over by being a fighter with a manufactured undefeated record. In the process he's fooled some sharp boxing observers and fans into believing that he's a greater fighter than he is. And he's counting on as time goes by that being undefeated will enhance his legacy. Which it no doubt will to those who want to live in their perfect world and don't fully understand how to read a fighters record.
If Pacquiao beats Cotto the pressure will be on Mayweather to fight him. However, that won't be enough for the fight to be realized unless Mayweather can somehow hoard most of the money.
Last week while training for his upcoming fight with Miguel Cotto, Pacquiao was asked what he thought his chances were of fighting Mayweather and said, "Fans shouldn't hold their breath. I don't think it's going to happen. I'm sure he doesn't want to fight.
"Boxing for him is like a business," Pacquiao said. "He doesn't care about the people around him watching. He doesn't care if the fight is boring, as long as the fight is finished and he gets (plenty of) money....I want people to be happy. You have a big responsibility as a boxer."
Pacquiao's words are right on the mark. It's hard not to like and root for Pacquiao. Other than some of his fans being over the top and believing he can walk on water, the guy is a real fighter and is definitely one of the greats. It's funny that Pacquiao - who's the smaller fighter and has a better resume and will go down a greater fighter than Mayweather historically, wants the fight more. And I'm not convinced it's all about money on his part. In reality Manny doesn't have to continue to fight bigger fighters, especially if he beats Cotto. The burden of proof as to their greatness rest moreso on Mayweather's shoulders.
I don't believe Mayweather actually fears fighting Pacquiao, and it's my belief that if the fight does actually happen, Mayweather has the perfect style to beat Pacquiao. But Floyd is more about the money and as it's been said here before it'll be hard to get Mayweather to agree to a 50-50 purse split with Pacquiao. And there's no way Bob Arum would let Manny ever agree to fight Floyd for less than a 50-50 purse split.
Arum and Pacquiao face a huge task in dealing with Mayweather at the negioating table if Manny wins on November 14th. Based on Mayweather's one-sided decision over Juan Manuel Marquez seven weeks ago, he's convinced he's the biggest star in boxing. And here's why. Pacquiao-Marquez II did 405,000 pay-per-view buys, Mayweather-Marquez did one million. Pacquiao-Hatton did 850,000 pay-per-view buys and Mayweather-Hatton did 920,000. Granted, the circumstances surrounding those fights were a lot different and Pacquiao, based on his showing in his last fight versus Ricky Hatton is a much bigger star now then he was six months ago. But does anyone with a pulse think that means anything to Mayweather? Of course it doesn't!
The biggest fight this year to date was Mayweather-Marquez. However, it's inescapable that Pacquiao-Cotto is the more legitimate fight. Manny and Miguel are closer in size than Mayweather and Marquez were. And Marquez was 36 whereas Pacquiao is 30 and Cotto is 29. The debate as to which is the more legitimate and anticipated fight doesn't exist; it's Pacquiao-Cotto.
That's why it's imperative that Pacquiao-Cotto do more pay-per-view buys than the one million that Mayweather-Marquez did. As of this writing Mayweather can support his claim as being the active pay-per-view king of boxing because the numbers support him. Obviously the numbers don't tell the whole story and it would be difficult for Arum to argue against Mayweather being at least an equal draw to Pacquiao.
If Manny Pacquiao wants to fight Floyd Mayweather as much as he professes to he better beat Miguel Cotto and hope that the fight does somewhere close to 1.5 million buys. And if that's how it unfolds then Pacquiao will have the leverage over Mayweather along with the boxing public behind him. Sure, Mayweather will counter with the fact that he's undefeated, but that doesn't interest boxing fans like it used to. They've smartened up and view Pacquiao as the more willing fighter who's tested himself against live bodies who in some cases were legitimately a little bigger than him.
If Cotto happens to beat Pacquiao, Mayweather holds all the cards and will say he would've beaten Pacquiao with ease. The only way Mayweather is in a predicament is if Pacquiao looks impressive beating Cotto and Mosley handles Berto. Even at that, Mayweather has the choice as to whether he fights an almost 40 year old welterweight or a fighter who weighed 20 pounds less than he did when they made their pro debut.
Either way it's remarkable how well Mayweather's positioned himself to retire undefeated.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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tony:
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I suspect Pacquiao-Mosley is more likely to happen. Watch it unfold.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 03:22:31 PM
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ali:
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If Pac vs Cotto can't do better numbers then Mayweather vs Marquez then is no way Pac should get a 50-50 split. Im not just saying that cause im a fan of Mayweather but that's just how boxing works. Arum can't say Mayweather doesn't want to fight Pac cause he won't accept a 50-50 split I don't want to here that $hit.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 03:25:53 PM
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GOAT:
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Man this dude hates PBF! He outsold Manny on all of their fights against common oponents, so hw will have financial leverage. Pac also was ready to nix the Hatton fight over the purse so do give me that "I want to fight the best for whatever money I make" crap. It's a business and nothing more. I see he throws in a quick sentence saying PBF will probably beat Pac but then says that PBF outweights him by 20 pounds which is crazy to believe if anyone is watching 24/7. Pac looks HUGE campared to how he looked a couple of years ago. The arthor is giving Pac an excuse for a loss to the Pretty Boy.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 03:27:12 PM
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Anony:
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REST ASSURE THIS FIGHT WILL BE THE BIGGEST SELLING FIGHT EVER... and it will be because there are no BORING fighters like Mayweather in it. These two knows the fans wants a real fight, not a hide and seek with advantages. Mayweather hasn't call the winner because he doesn't want to face Cotto and if Manny wins, he wants to make sure he can deal with the Pacman before swimming into the deep or putting at risk his "undefeated" record. I hope the embarrasment he went through with R.A. (rugged man) got his attention and man up for real. There is no respect for him out there.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 03:43:47 PM
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PacMan TIME:
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Wow! Nobody can seem to stay off the Mayweather's nuts. Get a Rolex watch! It is PacMan's TIME! Old ways and beliefs never change. After Cotto is knocked out, send in the Buffalo soldier Duck -- I mean -- Buck Sgt. "Lil Floyd." We will put him at PARADE REST! Go to the Philippine-America War mostly fictionized History and realistic U.S. National Archives and take note of what happened to a Buffalo soldier named Mayweather. Talking about fables and propaganda, where is the weapons of mass destruction? What really happened to the USS Maine? Did the USA pay to stay in the Philippines or won it in a war? How much money has been paid in Iraq to stay, and safely stay? Money May is American made and is not stepping up to fight PacMan, so a non-starved PacMan is going to knock out Juan Manuel Marquez in March of 2010. JMM love drinking his pee pee from his ding dong and smootching that canvas. I'm out!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 03:57:43 PM
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kountedout:
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goat why would he say floyd will probably beat pacquiao i dont care about who gets the most money, thats not saying who is the better fighter. the only way that can be solved is in the ring. i hope floyd fights either cotto or pacquiao next. cotto is respected by many. floyd if he fights pacquiao and many of you think pacquiao would ko floyd then bet everything you have on pacquiao even your house and see dont you come out homeless. best bet for floyd to fight manny is winner gets 60 loser gets 40. forget the numbers and the belts make it something to fight for.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:15:36 PM
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paulbo:
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That's the beauty of it. Pacquiao doesn't really need Mayweather to keep having superfights. He still has Coto and Mosley. Screw Mayweather. Let him scuttle away his prime.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:19:50 PM
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deepwater:
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Manny vs Floyd in the phillipines! 100 million dollar purse.lol
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:27:19 PM
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greatjob:
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@kountedout I agree with you, forget the numbers..60 percent for the winner and 40 split percent for the loser. This is the right deal for us to find out if who's the best.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:34:19 PM
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George Ocampo:
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Most of the boxing fans are willing to pay a mayweather fight it's because they eagerly want to see him in a live-viewing GETTING KNOCK-OUT!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:44:29 PM
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#1floydfan:
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1.5 million should be enough convincing for floyd to accept a 50-50..........if not toprank can't be doing thier job properly........and maybe manny should look for a better promotional company.........just my 2 cents
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:52:44 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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Give it up people Floyd wants no part with the big dawgs. Even if Manny and Cotto due a ppv record sales he will still want the bigger share. He wants to be seen as the big star if a fight ever happens and he won't have it if he is seen as the co-star.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:03:02 PM
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ian11rukawa:
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I think we should forget Pacquiao vs Mayweather.. If Pacman wins against Cotto, Pacman should fight Mosley.. In case he also wins that one the next best thing is retirement.. Why..? Mayweather will be left hanging in the Welterweight with no good fighter to fight.. Pacquiao will clean the division and PBF will not benefit on that by beating Pacman.. With no fighter left for him PBF will be force to challenge Paul Williams.. If he has balls to do that.. Or maybe he can settle with smaller fighters like Celestino Caballero..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:05:19 PM
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boxing fan:
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the reason why mayweather draw a lot of ppv is because he fooled everybody again thinking it was a great fight. but that won't happen anymore unless he fight the best out there. people know's now that floyd is a fraud. how can you say you are the best boxer when ducking the best fighter. he hand pick his opponent and win. then running around telling everybody he is the best.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:17:06 PM
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floyd vs salita?:
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Leon's Response: One thing you might not know is that Floyd is hoping Dmitriy Salita pulls the upset over Amir Khan so the two could meet Spring 2010 at YANKEE STADIUM. Salita wins, there is no other fight for Floyd next.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:23:15 PM
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Teejh:
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Ok! here it is, Mayweather has a the bigger ppv because he is American, many of americans can afford ppv, while Pacman in the Philippines if only his country as wealthy as those of Americans then it might probably be a Landslide ppv, Pacman is the most exciting fighter comparedd to Mayweather and most respected, is Mayweather in Time Mag? Pacquaio brings honor not only to his country Philippines but all around Asians, I think no asian has done that yet except Manny! What if the whole asia can afforf ppv? is it all about MONEY? Maybe Mayweather came back just for money!?
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:25:54 PM
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Adoremus:
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Get this. Right now, Pacquiao is already one of the Greatest boxer of all time. When he beats Cotto convincingly, he'll be the greatest of the greatest. If he demolish Cotto, he will become a legend and it will be a given, even Mayweather can't beat him. Mark this comment.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:46:03 PM
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ph:
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IF PACQUIAO BEATS COTTO, MAYWEATHER HAS TO BEAT COTTO AND/OR MOSLEY TO DESERVE A FIGHT AGAINST PACQUIAO OTHERWISE PACQUIAO DOESN'T NEED TO FIGHT HIM TO PROVE ANYTHING.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:49:19 PM
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Ed:
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I still believe floyd isn't a big draw.. His ppv nos. were mostly for his opponents; Oscar & Hatton.. Against Marquez, the fight didn't sell well so they have to move to MEXICAN HOLIDAY thus 1 Million buys. If people do watch Floyd, it's because they want to see him lose..that's all
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:52:44 PM
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oddsmaker:
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The last PPV fight Mayweather vs Marquez was a joke even thou I ordered the PPV , Mayweather is dellusional if he thinks , he deserves more than50 percent the guys a runner and Pacman will have to chase him arround the ring . I rather watch Pacman vs Mosley , or a rematch of Pacman vs Marquez or Pacman vs Bradley . forget about Fraud , He wants a rematch with Hatton in the UK
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:52:55 PM
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lillou:
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IF, IF, IF, PACMAN BEATS COTTO, NO WAY IN HELL!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:56:28 PM
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gboyhitdaspot:
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MAKE IT A 40/40% SPLIT BETWEEN PACQUIAO VS. FLOYD AND WHOEVER COMES OUT THE WINNER RECEIVES 20% !!!! MAKE THE DEAL THAT WAY
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:57:36 PM
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lightsaber:
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mayweather-marquez ppv was for 44.95. and I heard a sponsor offered free ppv for every purchase of their product. In contrast, the upcoming pacquiao-cotto ppv is for 54.95. Plus there is no such thing as a free ppv for the purchase of a product. Something to consider when comparing their ppv numbers
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 06:14:04 PM
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ali @ paulbo:
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Mayweather don't need Pac to have super fights but it's the one super fight we all want to see more then anyone out there. Let's say Pac wins in a close fight with Cotto and Pac fights Mosley next then Mayweather can fight Cotto still a super fight cause of the close fight with Pac. Floyed could still fight Williams in a super fight they both got options I just hope they find a way to fight each other then somebody else.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 06:16:36 PM
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Mayweather's nuts:
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Get off!!!!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 07:08:59 PM
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p4p:
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How can F. Mayweather be the #1 p4p when he is not even #1 in his own division which is 147(Mosley/Cotto), he is not #1 in 140 (Pacquiao), definitely not #1 above 147.
It does not matter how you rate a boxer, if he is not the best on any division HE DEFINITELY CAN NOT BE CONSIDERED #1 P4P.
These "experts" who rate boxers better put their names out and explain.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 07:14:35 PM
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palomino:
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I think a 50-50 sharing is the most feasible arrangement. This will be the biggest boxing bout since the Thrilla in Manila. This is what the boxing public wants. The least the boxers could do is to oblige the fans who are longing to see this fight happen. It will finally determine once and for all who is 'the man.' It must happen for the sake of the future of boxing.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 07:36:03 PM
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caveman:
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blah, blah, blah...can we just wait for Nov. 14? damn, people, enough with all these articles. nothing matters right now except who will win the fight! I can't wait to see this fight. pinoys will flock MGM on Sat.
One question though, is closed circuit buy consider ppv buy? it cost $50 buck. The fight is already sold out, so people buy your closed circuit tickets,for they are selling fast.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 07:39:44 PM
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pac-cotto:
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lightsaber- if u buy a case of tacte beer its 25 off so ur basically paying half price for the ppv i know i am, its a smart move for a great fight and decent undercard
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 07:53:34 PM
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ciodenz71:
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stop talking about mayweather, he only chooses easy fights for him,
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:08:35 PM
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kin:
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Manny's discipline is to make people happy every fight.
His goal is to be GOOD to GREAT and become the Greatest Boxer in boxing history.
While, Mayweather discipline is to make a boring fight and make people unsatistied and unhappy.
His goal is to make ONLY - MONEY and contented to be just GOOD but not so good.
IN SHORT, it won't hurt boxing and fans even without Pacquiao vs Mayweather because of Mayweather's very standard qualification and very poor behaviour.
We suggest, Paquiao vs Moseley or fight the super welter at catchweight 154lbs then retire with reputation, dignity and integrity and the Greatest boxer in History. Let's forget about Floyd he's very bad for boxing fans he's only fater with Money and we don't need him in this sports. PEACE TO ALL
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:08:39 PM
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Oddsmaker:
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Fraud won't want to fight Pacman but instead take on a re-match with Ricky Hatton in the UK
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:24:05 PM
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kountedout:
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@greatjob- the more pacquiao fans talk the more i see they dont want to fight floyd. forget all the ppv numbers its not benefiting us one bit. this fight must happen. both fighters need each other to make it a mega fight.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:26:33 PM
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njfan:
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I'm thinking Manny will have to rely on Filipino Americans for revenue. He barely got a million bucks in the Philippines
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:26:53 PM
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Harold:
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Pacquiao doesn't need Mayweather. He doesn't need to fight Mayweather to prove that he is the greatest. Pacquiao can fight anybody and still it will be called a super fight. Everyone's going to watch and have theirs moneys worth. But with Mayweather, hmmm....lets not just talk about him...nobody cares with this guy anyway. HE'S JUST A BIG JOKE. DIG IT?!!!!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:28:42 PM
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CoolPac:
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If you really want Pacquiao and Mayweather to fight then all you have to do is watch Pacquiao vs Cotto on PPV.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:30:04 PM
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J Storm:
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Hey Money May! How didi you feel that the Rugged Man got you?!! It sounds as if your'e holding to your dear life. Hahaha... You finally meet your match being a blabbermouth. O
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:32:33 PM
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ian11rukawa to ali:
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Mayweather won't fight Williams.. Did you listen to the interview of R.A.? Mayweather said he comes from ligther weights just like Pacman.. RA ask him to fight Williams.. PBF said "he is too big".. WTF..I hear Pacman saying his opponents are big yet he fought them..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:35:57 PM
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ian11rukawa to kountedout: :
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WE all like PBF vs MP.. The problem is PBF doesn't like it..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:37:35 PM
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Froggle:
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The buzz for Pac Cotto is so big the promoter doesn't even need to promote it. The news media is doing it. This is a historic fight and will transcend boxing to many sports and non-sports fan alike. No need to worry if the fight will have big numbers.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:38:29 PM
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Pol Canonce Barugo, Leyte Phil.:
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Mayweather had been great before he retired. He is an exciting fighter with exceptional talents but that got soared up into his head since turning his monicker to "Money" from the already egoistic "Pretty Boy". That became obvious when he secured himself of winning on his comeback when he chose the less dangerous but bankable JMMARQUEZ. Why did it hit 1 million? The fight was postponed to a later date. GBP made a lot of marketing strategies. It is not Mayweather alone but JMMARQUEZ popularity. But the way PACMAN and MAYWEATHER is nailing their destiny, fans would be extra smart today to choose where should their precious money will be put into. Would they opt for boxing to be more exciting or would they still support MAYWEATHER even if he is not giving anymore exciting fights? It is up to us boxing fans.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:39:59 PM
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cadoski:
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Are you still selling quack quack mayweather? He wont fight Pacquiao not for the money but for fear and nothing else. He would rather retire again. He needed the money thats why he made a withdrawal by fighting a bloated JMM. A very very shameful con job which you took hook line and sinker,
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:45:27 PM
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junicks:
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Yes they did a million buys.. does the delay of schedule of fight night didnt bother you? or u just really dont have any idea on what strategy they (golden boys) have done? u think You! yes you mayweather can get out of this? i dont think so? and u mr. Frank, I think u got to dig a little deeper on the issue of ppv buys..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:55:30 PM
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Black Mamba:
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Everybody bashing Mayweather because, they saying Mayweather is all about MONEY...
Well How about your Great Pacquiao??? He looks like more of Benjamin Franklin Tattooed on his forehead!
He talks about Floyd is all business and dont care about the people...that he cares about the people Duhhhhhhh!!!!
But remember when they're negociating the fight with Ricky Hatton? Every body knows that Hatton would bring a big share of the PPV and an army of fans in the fight too!
Pacquiao wont fight if he dont get the bigger share???
HE WONT EVEN FIGHT WHEN THEY PROPOSSED A 50-50 SPLIT!!!! Now he got the nerve to say that to Floyd? Think again! Pacquiao is a hypocrite! Boxing to him is a BUSINESS TOO! IST ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
The ONLY difference he got from Floyd is he knows how to hide it ! Enough said :/
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 09:06:49 PM
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MANG RESTY:
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Manny does not need Floyd to prove he is the Greatest!
Pacquiao fans do visit us at www pacfans-corner com
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 09:12:43 PM
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Black Mamba:
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Oh Pacquiao now will fight Floyd and he doesnt care about the money even its a 50-50 split??? Well whos talkin'' you or Manny??? Maybe YOU dont care but Pacquiao? Lets see if Floyd and him are on the negociating table lets see if he's not gonna cry about the Money oif Floyd ask for the bigger cut!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 09:52:23 PM
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brownsugar@Mike,.. .Keep your racism at your clan meetings:
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WHATS WRONG WITH THICK BLACK LIPS,... you got something against Black People,... the ignorace being portrayed on some of these Pacman posts is becoming exceedingly more ridiculous,...especially when you get Nazi's and SkinHeads expressing their hate against a certain group of people..... pathetic...
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:04:54 PM
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Black Mamba:
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Hey Mike,
No need to trow racial garbage s#it.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:06:08 PM
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Ev:
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I bought the Mayweather's ppv vs JMM to see JMM knock Floyd out. I would not pay a dime to see another Mayweather fight unless it was against Pacquiao. Floyd is beyond a boring coward. I'd pay for Gamboa versus Lopez, Berto versus Mosley, Cotto versus Mosley, Williams versus Berto, Pacquiao versus all takers. Mayweather can take that undefeated record to the taxman for all I care.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:09:55 PM
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Magic Man:
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The PPV numbers in Mayweather and Marquez are deceiving. Obviously the live gate tickets on that fight didn't sold out as many seats are vacant. Everything on this fight were concocted between Mayweather Team and Golden boy. They fabricated the results for the PPVs with fix from HBO and I'm sure they included the tickets in theaters which shown that fight.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:13:05 PM
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Mayweather Sr.:
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There's another strategy that will work in Manny's favor which I hope Pac team will also consider. If Manny wants to really entertain the crowd he can adopt another style that will really put the top of Cotto burning. When Figueroa, cotto's sparring partner, was kicked out of Cotto's team, another blueprint was laid of for Pacquaio. Cotto was so annoyed that Figueroa was monkeying and showboating when they sparred that he was so furious to vanished him totally from his sight in just one day. Cotto's is a fragile guy who can't handle things like if he can't totally catch up a guy then he'll just blow his top and will get totally mentally wrecked. Remember Sugar Ray vs Duran bout? Cotto is more fragile. Another blueprint to defeat this guy? do it MONKEY STYLE and mentally-fragile-Cotto will shout NO MAS before the 8.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:24:14 PM
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sultan:
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I doubt. The PPV buys of Mayweather vs. Marquez is much lesser than a million buys. I really doubt, Mayweather did something so that PPV buys will sound like a million buys but in reality, NOT!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:25:53 PM
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Arthur:
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I think a lot of the PPV buys for the Mayweather-Marquez fight was because of the undercards.I myself and some of my friends ordered it for that reason and not because of Mayweather.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:32:16 PM
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kountedout:
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@brownsugar- the editor says nothing to them until you come back at them. then he blames both sides.let them talk and you will see racism written all on them. that is how most feel. black mamba im with you all the way.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:38:29 PM
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kountedout:
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my boy said this is one of the most racist sites you can go to. im starting to see what he meant.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:41:10 PM
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Frank Z:
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Whoever ends up with higher numbers will have the bigger split when they fight, assuming manny wins, although i agree with junicks, the reason a ppv sells is much more complicated than it appears. @Black Mamba you make good points, pacquiao has fought his share of soft dudes and over the hill dudes as well as mayweather, it's an ugly business and the fighters have no choice but to look after themselves, those who don't end up broke and deteriorated. but pacquiao comes across as the better guy cause he deosn't talk to us like we're dumb, and the fact that pacquiao has fought more legendary names in barrera and morales. the reason i am bashing mayweather is not because i perceive him as a coward, but cause everything he says makes no sense and sounds like petty bragging, saying he doesn't need to prove anything, yet he's not only in it for the competition and the fans, and then saying the next sentence that he doesn't fight for bragging rights he fights for paychecks. nothing wrong with being a trash talker but you have to be willing to at least give off the impression that you'll back it up. floyd's done it before, he's cleanaed out 130 and basically 135 by beating castillo twice, but he's skipped most of the killers at 140 and though he did beat good dudes at 147, many of the same dudes that cotto and pacquiao made their names off of, the fact that he brags about being the GOAT, sets him apart in terms of what people want to see from him. we're an ADHD society , and we're all about what have you done for me lately, so therefore floyd will always have to prove himself, especially since most people don't like him. i'm willing to concede that he's one of the top 5 fighters in the past 25 years, but if he really really wants to stand out and have a legendary legacy, he needs to clean out each division he moves into, which means he'll have to beat both pacquiao and cotto, shane mosley, and possibly andre berto if he makes a good show vs. mosley, and who knows maybe even clottey and paul williams. right now anyone who fights floyd will strike gold. if he does all that and beats them, which i think he definitely can, he'll be the best p4p since sugar ray leonard IMO, even greater than roy jones.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:44:52 PM
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Frank Z@MANG REISTY:
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I disagree, manny definitely needs floyd to prove his greatness, since floyd toyed with the man who gave him fits for 24 rounds, and who against whom freddie roach predicted a tough fight, you can find him saying that on friday night fights, then after floyd schools him he sarcastically congratulates floyd on beating the lightweight champ of the world. sure JMM had to put on extra weight, but that should not have had such a profound effect on him that he would have gone from beating floyd to not being able to touch him at all.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:47:23 PM
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oLedoR:
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Common gentlemen. U bet with this one, Pacman-Cotto's fight will surpass the PPV of Gayweather-Marquez fight..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:12:09 PM
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Isaiah@MANGREISTY:
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Dude, you really want to touch on that again? In total, Marquez probaly gained like 17 pounds by the time he entered the ring. Look at the way Marquez moved in that fight. Now, look at a tape of Marquez at Lightweight. Look at a tape of Marquez's 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao at Featherweight and Jr. Lightweight. Look man, Marquez was simply not the same fighter at Welter. The truth is the truth. If weight didn't matter, why didn't Mayweather go down one and Marquez go up just one and they meet at JR. Welterweight. I bet the fight would have been closer at a lower weight. Marquez was never as fast as Mayweather to begin with, but dude, seriously, under normal circumstances, Marquez is much faster then he was at over 140. In your eyes, since the extra weight doesn't have such a profound effect, Manny Pacquiao gets full credit for beating Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton way worse then Floyd ever could. Hey, against Manny, Oscar seemed awfully sure he could still make Welter and fight well. I don't need to hear your exscuses. My guy Manny's greatness is secured regardless of what happens next. That's what happens when you give the fights fans want to see and fight with everything you have. Floyd is the one who needs to prove himself.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:36:04 PM
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if floyd's really into money why did he pick JMM instead of mosley or cotto for his comeback fight? don't tell me JMM has a bigger draw than any of the previously mentioned. when pac vs pbf negotiation starts, he's gonna demand for the lion's share 'til the it doesn't happen. That's how afraid floyd is to pac.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:38:44 PM
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ian11rukawa to Frank:
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stop comparing PBF vs JMM to JMM vs MP.. PBF vs JMM is an obvious mismatched.. The reach, the weight (PBF is not satisfied he need another 2 lbs) and the age..It's not just about the weight dude.. I don't hear many people questioning Pacman's legacy.. But obviously many are asking Floyd why he ducked everybody.. Is he really going to fight Salita..? Damn..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:40:43 PM
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Erick:
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"...I don't believe Mayweather actually fears fighting Pacquiao, and it's my belief that if the fight does actually happen, Mayweather has the perfect style to beat Pacquiao..."
Hey man, why not suggest 40-40 split with the winner of the fight getting the remaining 20%. If Gayweather is that confident then he should be okay with this. At the end of the day, he'll get what he wants (if he is 100% sure to win).
I thinks even 40-35 split in Gay's favor won't be a problem with Packy.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:43:05 PM
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brownsugar@kountedout:
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I think those type of comments not only makes the person who writes them look extremely Foolish,..but it also makes TSS look bad,.. I've never got the impression from Manny that he's a racist,.. neither do I feel that Manny would want to be identified as a racist himself
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:44:03 PM
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brownsugar:
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the fight will obviously generate huge numbers,.. because Pac vs Cotto is basically a fans dream fight,... But Pac vs Mayweather would be even bigger,.. as far as Mayweather fighting Salita next,..I don't know anything about that,... but I really don't see a problem with it,.. after 2 years out the ring,.. it's probably wise to get a good 147lb tune up,.. before facing a living legend after being out of the game for so long,.. both Pac and Cotto have been fighting ever 4 or 5 months,.. so why not... but Pac has to get by Cotto first,.. and that's not guaranteed....this entire article is pretty much wishful thinking..
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:52:14 PM
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Fe'Roz @ EM:
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EM, Mike's comments have crossed the line. Warning both sides may work in baseball but here it should be a one week suspension. Do it again and you're out. Too many good people here to listen to and read racist innuendo and remarks. pc
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:14:22 AM
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That Mike guy is probably perpretrating a Filipino. Anybody who has ever been to the Philippines know that many Pinoys and Pinays have full lips. Manny's lips are also "thick" and he is proud of that thickness because God saw fit to give him those lips. Those are not many Filipinos who don't have "thick" lips. After all we have Filipinos darker than American blacks. Google the original Filipinos and the mixture of Filipinos. If Mike's "clan" is Pinoy, those are plenty of "thick black lips" in it. If this guy Mike is a Pinoy, he is having a bad time and life, and all Pinoys apologize for his stupidity and rudeness.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:24:09 AM
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ener:
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I think Pacquiao-Cotto fight will exceed the pay-per-view sales of PBF-Marquez if will be made available to households in the Philippines. It should be noted that the Filipinos were deprived to watch the pay-per-view in the last to fights of Pacquiao...it was instead sold to cinemas and bars. Obviously, the result of pay-per-view was relatively low compared to the last two fights of Mayweather. Go Pacquiao...go...
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:25:06 AM
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Isaiah@brownsugar:
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Floyd has had his tuneup fight dude. Why still except another? He could have taken his tuneup fight against a guy in his own division such as Luiz Collazo, but didn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Amir Khan/Salita fight at Jr. Welterweight? So if Floyd fights Salita, Salita would be expected to move up in weight, right? How's that a 147 pound tuneup? Why do you have such an insane, blind, alligience to this coward? The best guys fight one tuneup occasionly if that and then go after the big dogs. Sugar Ray Robinson fought the best. Sugar Ray Leonard was off 3 years, moved up in weight and in his first fight back beat Marvelous Marvin Hagler for the Middleweight World Championship! Roberto Duran fought the best. Manny Pacquiao had one fight against the so called tuneup against Oscar De La Hoya at 147 (though by most people, it was only called a tuneup fight in hindsight) and is now facing one of the best in the world, Miguel Cotto! Roberto Duran started at Bantamweight and fought successfully at Middleweight. Ezzard Charles started fighting as a FEATHERWEIGHT and beat Joe Louis and Jersey Joe Walcott at HEAVYWEIGHT! I KID YOU NOT! Stop making exscuses for that irrlevant loser known as "Money". He doesn't deserve a penny more of your's or anyone else's money. His pathetic legacy will haunt him long after he's retired for good and into the grave. The fans deserve better. WAKE UP MY TSS BROTHER AND SEE THE TRUTH RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES! We don't need Floyd!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:29:01 AM
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werq:
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In particular google Black people of the Philippines
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:30:09 AM
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JOEFLOYD BREAKPICK:
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I'm pretty sure he's gonna win, but what ever happens November 14, the Pacman's place in history is guaranteed. He does'nt need Floyd, yet Floyd needs him to put a semblance of truth to his claim of greatness.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:33:54 AM
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Fe'Roz :
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Any and all future negotiations will include real value such as proven metrics (PPV Buys) and certain intangibles such potential and perceived value. Forbes has earlier listed Pacquiao as the 57th most influential celebrity in the world. The Filipino spitfire was also included in Time magazine’s list of 100 Most Influential People. Manny is the 6th highest paying athlete in the world. He does not need Floyd for money. And, I will assume that Floyd, despite his recent troubles with the IRS, does not need Manny financially. That does not mean that smart businessmen won't make every attempt to make this match. F they do, they will all get rich. If they don't we will survive .... and they will both thrive. but in terms of who needs who for legacy, it;s not even close. Floyd needs Manny. Manny is the Man. His legacy was sealed the day he signed to fight the welterweight champion of the world. A man bigger than himself. Floyd can continue to live in Floyd's world, the big boy Mansion where everybody tells him how great his is. He can live with the other recently retired undefeated Champion, Joe Calzaghe. He will be rich for now. Definitely a HOF inductee. But legendary. Not even close.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:35:00 AM
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The article makes a good point that Pacquiao seems to want the fight a lot more than Mayweather. I think this illustrates something that people don't want to believe: Pacquiao DOES need the fight more than Mayweather. Why? Because years from now, when all the marketing hype has gone away and Pacquiao is no longer active, people will realize that he was overrated. This doesn't mean he's not a great fighter. It just means people will realize that most of his victories were inflated. For example:
Barrera: several years older, had already been through wars and was near the end of his career
Morales: past his prime, had been on losing streak before losing to Pacquiao
Solis: not a very good fighter anyway
Diaz: not a very good fighter anyway
Hatton: not a very good fighter anyway (even Roach recently admitted this)
Oscar: past his prime, old, dehydrated, poorly trained
Cotto: past his prime, never the same after Margarito, looked unimpressive in recent fight
The most impressive victory was against Marquez, but considering that Marquez was much older, and that Pacquiao couldn't win convincingly, the victory doesn't mean much.
So in the end, Pacquiao can comfort himself with his record of holding titles, but deep down he knows that at least three of those titles are not worth much: two were won from fighters who weren't good at all (Hatton, Diaz) and one was won from an underweight fighter (Cotto). If weighing in one or two pounds less doesn't make a difference, why did Pacquiao's side push for it in negotiation??
In other words, Pacquiao needs to beat a legitimate, prime, top fighter, and he knows it. Mayweather is that guy, and here's the big secret: fighting Mayweather is a NO-RISK proposition for Pacquiao (that's why he wants him so bad). Think about it: if Mayweather wins, people will say it's because he's the "bigger" guy and was a coward for "picking on the smaller guy." If Mayweather loses, then of course Pacquiao looks amazing for beating the "bigger" guy.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:40:28 AM
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eisenhiem:
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the only way for a pacquiao-mayweather showdown to unfold is for the winner to get the 60% of the share. or even 70% for that matter. in this way, mayweather's greed for money is more than satisfied only if he wins against the pacman.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:41:06 AM
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Smiley C:
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There is no doubt latent racism allowed about Floyd Mayweather. But still GREAT he is fo' sure!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:42:45 AM
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zombie:
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One thing is for sure, Manny don't need Mayweather. He can retire after his win over cotto. Historians will keep in writing about pacquiao if he wins his coming fight. Fans want pacquiao to fight Mayweather, anticipating that the fight would be the richest ever. But again Manny don't need that. He is rich enough and he can still be rich tru endorsements and guestings without fighting again.
Winning 7 belts in seven different divisions is a legacy. You can say anything about Pacquiao not fighting Mayweather.
But one thing is for sure, if Pacqiuao wins his coming fight, he will never be forgotten. Pacquiao haters inluding fans will die but pacquiao's legacy will not because it will always be remembered.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 01:33:33 AM
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Isaiah@SmileyC:
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Where's the racism at? You want to say there is? Where, Mr. thought police? Floyd sucks a big one. Amazing how racism is all his blind followers can back up their stance with. If you believe it's there, then you need to be bold enough to be specific, unless those kind of comments you make are just based off of speculation. Floyd's great alright, the GREAT PRETENDER. Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto and all true fighters and their fans live in the real world. I don't need to fall bakc on lame, fake, exscuses to justify my stance.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 01:34:46 AM
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Isaiah:
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And that's, FO"SURE! HA!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 01:35:48 AM
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ROMEO:
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IT SIMPLY....
"MONEY" AFRAID "MANNY"
Friday Nov 6, 2009 01:38:59 AM
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bob:
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let's get one thing clear, the only reason the PPV hit 1M because it was manipulated by counting the12$ PPV buys when they y offered the fight in cinemas.
GBP and PBFs and sadly even HBO fed everyone this crap. The fight did not even fill up the seats in the venue. Ask them if the the 1M PPV buys translated into US$50M gross assuming 1PPV at Us$50.
They did this to position Mayweather for an MP showdown knowing MP cotto will hit the 1M and since that's the only way that both sides will agree to a 50-50 split eventually.
Wise guys, but sorry the public is not stupid!
No way!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 01:55:31 AM
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rigge:
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the reason why mayweather got a million ppv the last he box jmm
because of his comeback a boring fight.but i think ifhe go back in the ring again with different opponent i'm sure nobody would watch him.
only if he fights manny then i will.so 60 for manny and 40 for gay is a fair
share.pound for pound vs. mouth for mouth king...
Friday Nov 6, 2009 02:25:45 AM
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Yes Yo!:
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To make the Pacquiao-Mayweather happen, here's a suggestion: Both fighters split it 40-40. The winner gets the remaining 20%. If it's a draw, they split this 20%, so it becomes a 50-50 purse split over-all. Now, isn't this a fair and reasonable formula? It makes for an interesting fight as we can expect both fighters to go all out for the win. A caveat, however. With Floyd, you never really know. He might not engage and just be content to dance around, settle for the draw, get 50%, and preserve his unbeaten record, which is all the world to him, apparently.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 02:45:49 AM
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brownsugar@Isaiah:
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well,.. that's your opinion dude... and your are intitled to it,.. but internet opinions,.. and popularity contest votes do little to diminish the quality of Floyds career or future potential in the sport,.. I'll be watching Floyds next fights with great interest,..he is one of my current favorites,.. along with Pac and many more,.. in case you haven't noticed,.. Floyd hasn't lost a single fight in 40 outings,.. if that's what a losers accomplishments look like,.. I hope I get to be one some day.....and NOBODY"s irrational perspective of the facts could never change my stance on that,......capiche??
Friday Nov 6, 2009 02:57:19 AM
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brownsugar:
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as far as racial origins are concerned,.. I've been to the Phillipines many times,.. the native race of the Islands call themselves Negritos,.. and are black as Nigerians,..they are essentially black Asians.... when the spanish invaded the Philipine Islands and mated with the native Negrito's the llighter skinned variety Phillipino's were the result,... but there are still many Negrito tribes there even today,.. like american Indians,.. most haven't integrated into the modern mainstream popular society there,.. preferring to hold to their tradition,..
Friday Nov 6, 2009 03:05:21 AM
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brainbashedbritboy:
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Holla for another super6...but for the little men!
Manny,Mayweather,Cotto,Mosley,Berto,Margarito, or swap Margarito with Long Tall Paul, whichever way this could not fail to give us fans what we want, the best match ups and a true Champion of the Champions. There is no room for anyone to hide away,if they decline over money ( Mayweather ) or the Jury will be out, a true making of a Legacy can be made.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 03:43:38 AM
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Isaiah@brownsugar:
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Yey, Floyd hasn't lost a fight in 40 fights? Keep on watching replays of Mayweather/Castillo 1 and tell yourself that...After 2002, it'd be kind of hard for Floyd to lose to anybody he's fought since then, like almost impossible... Just compare for example, Mayweather's Welterweight resume to Miguel Cotto's Welterweight resume. Now factor in Cotto turning Welter in 2006 and your boy Mayweather turning Welter in 2005... Yey, that's right... Go hang your head in shame... Seems to me, I have a pretty good hold on the facts. Manny Pacquiao knocked Juan Manuel Marquez down 3 times in the first round at 126 pounds and once again at 130 pounds where Marquez was at his best. Big, bad, Mayweather cherry picked Marquez 17 pounds heavier slowing him down to a crawl and still could barely knock him down once. Could have sworn Daddy Floyd said if Marquez got knocked down by his son, he'd be knocked out. Could have sworn Pacquiao knocked Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton the F### OUT! It took your Pretty Boy 10 rounds against Hatton and how did his fight with Oscar go again in comparision? Yey, that's what I thought. How did Miguel Cotto do against DeMarcus Corley and Zab Judah compared to "Money Mayweather"? Oh, that's right?! Cotto knocked them out and Mayweather couldn't! Looks like my perspective on the facts is just fine buddy. Maybe between postings, you can get your lips off of Mayweather's @$$!!!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:07:27 AM
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Isaiah:
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Heck, tell Mayweather I'm almost as well known as Saul Alvarez and I'll fight him for less and probaly last longer! HA!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:09:33 AM
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brownsugar:
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bottom line is ,.. this matchup is a BlockBuster as far as sales is concerned,... I'm taking a vaction day just to prepare for the Big Fight Party,.. and everybody else I know is getting the fight,... even casual fans,.. it's no-brainer,... nobody has to worry about lagging PPV sales or empty seats,... the only thing is doubt,.. is the winner,.... I'm just hoping that the "Right Cotto" shows up....Yes,... a super six would be nice,.. Williams wouldn't be in it,. too big,...but we may not need one.... Berto is already saying that Shane Mosely is suffering from mood swings from the use of steroids,... and he promises to retire him on Jan 30,... and personally I doubt that Margarito will ever be the same again...
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:16:14 AM
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brownsugar@Isaiah:
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thanks for your post Isaiah,.. I don't have engage in unnecessary bombast or insults,.. or futile faulty reconstruction of past events,... your own rant displays your irrational state of mind,..and obsession over PBF,.. but long after you are dust,. boxing writers will still be writing about his incredible career,... but who will remember your Hate???,...... is there anything else????
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:23:16 AM
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Isaiah@brownsugar:
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Sorry about that man. Anything dealing with Mayweather brings out the worst in me, but even his biggest fans should urne for him to fight one of those elite guys, right? By the way, I'm picking Shane Mosley over Andre Berto big time. Berto's going to get his first "official" loss (Luis Collazo fight not withstanding) trying to hang with one of the best. I may unfairly want Mayweather to lose and if he fights one of these guys, I think he just might, but is it not unfair the way Mayweather is treating the fans talking about facing unworthy foes like this?
Friday Nov 6, 2009 05:03:25 AM
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Nike_Pac:
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Mr. Writer.. I think Floyd should also consider the total revenue of his PPV not only numbers. Mayweather vs Marquez PPV has cheaper price as compared to all Pac's PPV plus a lot of rebates for the promotion. I think Arum and Pac knows this thats why they will not ever accept a lesser share vs Floyd.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 05:09:39 AM
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brownsugar@Isaiah:
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thanks Isaiah,.. I just like Mayweather because he can fight,.. but I can't speak for him,.. doesn't make me a nuthugger,.. a democrate or a republican,.. fans always try to divide folks into being a Floyd hater or lover and I'm just being a Boxing Fan period,.. I don't want to pick sides... but I'm not following the crowd either,... now that Floyd is at 147 permanently,.. he Must make a choice to pick a top name in order to make the big PPV MOney and extend his legacy,.. the fans will except nothing else,.. I would like to see him fight Shane,.. Cotto,.. Berto, Pac,.. as badly as everyone else... the next few years will be very interesting... pc
Friday Nov 6, 2009 05:33:25 AM
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colby:
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Well said.Amen.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 05:44:41 AM
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brad:
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This is a Top Rank fight...Manny and Cotto are Top Rank fighters. It's in Top Rank's best interest for this fight to do huge numbers. I have a feeling it will, even if it doesn't. If those Mayweather-Marquez numbers are true, then this fight should double them. It's that much better of a fight.
Floyd's bigger problem is the fact that his "I'm the best because I'm undefeated" act is wearing thin even on people inclined to give him the benefit. Poor Floyd can't do an ESPN interview or even call into a rap station without getting beat up with people questioning his "avoid risk" moves. Floyd needs Manny far more than Manny need Floyd. The public already knows Floyd avoids tough challenges. If negotiations between him and Manny breakdown at any point-Floyd will be blamed, even if it's not his fault. Floyd will never convince anyone than Manny is ducking him.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 05:44:42 AM
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moralez:
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floyd wil be embarrassed if pacquiao-cotto generates more ppv numbers than his fight with marquez. and wuld likely to accept 60-40 split n favor of the pacman :)
Friday Nov 6, 2009 06:24:29 AM
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georgell:
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Only words say that maywether marquez guarantee 1m ppv, even me the orginizer of that event i can say that to media. in the stadium there so many vacant and empty seat. Do you know how popular pacman is now??? TIME magazine baby! maywether retired he didint recognize by one single news paper!!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 07:16:52 AM
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Daniel:
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What again do you want Mayweather to do?. All your plans keep failing...from Oscar to Hatton to Marquez. He is the greatest! who's next? Pac......hahahahha, Fix the right deal and we will make it happen.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 07:17:13 AM
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GerardMcL:
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You make a good point but its getting to the stage where your obvious dislike of Floyd is clouding everything you write.
You say Manny - Cotto is more legitimate due to weight.
Despite Manny starting lower than Marquez. Despite Floyd starting lower than Marquez. Despite it being at pretty much the same weight - the only real difference is Manny had a fight at LWW first.
The real legitimacy for ths fight comes solely from the fact that Manny has an aura of invincibility than Marquez didn't and Cotto is seen as a lot more vulnerable than Mayweather.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 07:21:58 AM
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Rocky-M:
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Mayweather will never fight anyone that can beat him. He's proved that over and over again. If he had any sort of spine he would have fought Cotto, Mosley and Williams at Welterweight. He has not fought a single top welterweight and he claims to be the best P4P. How can he the best P4P if he has not fought the best in his own division? The truely sick thing is he has the talent to beat them all - he's just lacking the nuts.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 07:28:50 AM
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hey wait ! pacquiao vs cotto already made an successful PPV and another thing Pacquiao don't need Floyd, floyd need Pacquiao i think.
its a 3million PPV for sure.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:01:34 AM
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kissjonez:
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Are you flippin' serious??? 1st off Mayweathers fight with Marquez was moved prior to Floyds "rib" injury! So that fight got an extra momentum to sell more tickets and second it was scheduled on Mexicos independence day, and Floyds opponent is the Legendary/Hall of famer Mexican boxer Juan Manuel Marquez which I'm sure a lot of mexican watch that fight! You're a dumb-dumb whoever wrote this article! Get your facts straight and have some common sense! Lol! Even with all that extra time to sell more tickets and the Mexicos Independence day combined, the fight only sold 1million??? Hahahaha!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:08:12 AM
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RyO:
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Hahaha! Manny is in a different galaxy, he doesnt need floyd to prove himself or anybody his greatness! He's in a whole different level boxing mastery! While Floyd is getting pick'd on and bullied by the critics and sadly nobody can save his @$$ cause I think his camp knows its the truth! Look even Floyds dad dont even know what to think of Pacquaio anymore! He accused Pacquaio for using enhancement drugs! Watch when Pacquaio knock's Cotto out then Floyd Senior is gonna say that Pacquaio is an alien!!! Lol!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:15:31 AM
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kountedout:
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no matter how you look at it a win is a win. whether floyd ko'd hatton in 10 and pacquiao ko'd hatton in 2 a win is a win. floyd beat oscar and pacquiao stopped oscar. both won there fights. does that make pacquiao better because he beat both fighters in less time? ali fought norton 3 times, lost 1 and won 2, ali fought frazier 3 times lost 1 won 2. foreman ko'd norton in round 2 and ko'd frazier in round 2 first time round 5 second time. wins are wins. does that make foreman better then ali because he beat norton, frazier in better fashion? what happen when ali and foreman met. a win is a win. @brownsugar i agree good points im like you a boxing fan. i like mayweather because of the skills he possess , cotto because of his tenacity and body punching, williams his skills, i can go on and on. a real boxing fan dont look at the jersey the fighter is wearing. i like the football teams ravens, broncos, giants because i love to watch there hard hitting defenses. i dont look at them because they have more black, white, latin players on the team.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:30:58 AM
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ali @ian11rukawa:
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What the hell are you talking about Pac fans try to act like ODH losing weight didn't have nothing to do with the outcome of there fight. Asking for a catchweight is the same as asking a fighter to move up but you don't have a problem with Pac wanting a catchweight that make you a Hyporcrite.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:50:09 AM
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ali mangreisty:
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Watch yo mouth homeboy..
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:54:03 AM
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ali @ kountedout:
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A win is a win at the end of the day great point just because you beat somebody better then I did don't mean you can beat me great point and example.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:58:22 AM
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Frank Z@ Isaiah:
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you're right i do want PBF to fight all the best in each weight division he's gone into, but this perception of ducking with him is a fairly recent thing. he completely cleaned out 130, most of 135, fought a couple o f tough dudes at 140 who many thought could give him a tough fight, fought a couple of decent dudes at 147, and beat oscar at a weight he was comfortable at. the reason i'm picking on him is because he has the skills to clean out 147 and he doesn't show any indication that he intends to, but let's not get it twisted here, mayweather HAS beaten many a good foe, and he HAS stepped up to fighting tough when pushed to do so. yes i did think castillo beat him the first time, but floyd left almost no doubt the second time around, and he gave castillo a rematch right away. and floyd should get some meausre of credit for dismantling JMM even with the weight issue, since JMM went into the diaz fight at 140 and the mayweather fight at 148, so the weight gain wasn't as profound as some would expect. also manny's legacy isn't as rock solid once you put it under some scrutiny, which most people aren'tw illing to do cause he comes across as a nice guy while mayweather comes across as a braggart and a jackass. for example, why didn't he fight joan guzman at the lighter weights? why didn't he fight juan diaz before marquez decided to and dismantled him? why would he make cotto drain to a catchweight and avoid sugar shane mosley altogether even if mosley agrees to boil down to 140 to fight him and give him 60% of the split? he did get outboxed by an old erik morales, who lost to zahir raheem right after he beat pacquiao. morales was drained from having to make weight the second time around and just a broken down old man by the third time. he handpicked slow plodding david diaz at lightweight to claim another belt, he weight drained de la hoya down to a weight he hadn'tn been to since 2001 or so, and he fought a ricky hatton who has a history of sucking against lefties. this is NOT to say pacquiao isn't a modern great, he definitely deserves credit for doign what he's done as he's moved up from 122-140 and faced some of the best in the world during that time, but let's not make him out to be the angel vs. mayweather's devil here, the only issue that shoujld be had with mayweather is that he's willing to put his resume against the all time greats, so therefore he has more need from the public to stack it with elite fighters, and pacquiao came from lower expectations. who really expects a starving kid from the philipines to be the best p4p in the world? on theh other hand with mayweather you got a guy who was probably robbed of a gold medal, who won ring mag fighter of the year after just 2 years as a pro, and started declaring himself the best almost right away, so the PERCEPTION is he hasn't done what he should have done, and right now i don't think he has, but let's not pretend that manny's been slaying giants all along while floyd's been hiding under rocks hoping no one fights him.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 09:02:30 AM
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ali @ Brownsugar:
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Always a good read...were is Real Talk I haven't seen him post in a minute..... Wish SchoolOfHardKnocks would start writing on TSS again...
Friday Nov 6, 2009 09:03:21 AM
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AFN@ali, brownsugar, Fe'Roz:
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It seems as if Mister Lee may have got himself a job at last as well. I've been dead busy so have had to chose between watching fights or writing about them here. Sorry guys, love you all, but not that much. I guess the pinch gets us all sometimes. We've had a special public holiday today, hence the visit, but even that will be brief cos the family are demanding a trip to the beach. SOHK has been gone almost 8 months by my reckoning. Don Puto 69 hasn't been around that much since his release. Even Radam is having a rest. Rudy, Salty, Fistic (training hard I reckon) and a few others rarely appear nowadays. Ali, Brownsugar, Fe'Roz, you guys are the flag bearers these days, and you do us proud. EL TOONOY off to get sand in his toes. ps I got Cotto for this fight, most folks are talking as if it is a done deal.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 09:24:20 AM
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bill major:
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nobody hates floyd,its just that his critics see the truth that obviously you dont want to see goat. you know that he isnt fighting the guys he should be and instead dodges them in the name of business. what BS . again guys, he has it all but choses to not use it . i mean come on,have you ever heard anyone blow thier own horn like he does ? the press and the fans should be doing that not the fighter .why is that ? think about it honestly not as a defender. ali blew his horn ,leonard blew his horn but they werent the only ones blowing .they actually fought the best of their day and never dodged guys like floyd.he cant do it over again, those years are gone that he could have built a real legacy on where we all could have spoke of floyd like we do of ali ,robinson etc.. how he can compare himself to ray robinson .... takes alot of balls ill tell you,not the fighting kind.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 09:49:30 AM
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Pinoy:
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GO for Pacquiao-Mayweather. Bobby not Manny!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 09:53:37 AM
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bill major:
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money will be the excuse but a fighter with the money he has should want to fight the best to prove he is better. thats what its ultimately about.
you younger guys are brought up in todays headset where money is all its about but true fighters want to fight and they want to fight the best to be considered the best . the guys that are considered legends today fought as many fights as floyd or pacquiao before they were considered worthy for a title shot . to me they were schooled better .trained harder and would have made some of todays supposedly great fighters ( in their own mind) look like amateurs. i laugh when i think of mayweather against robinson or lamotta he'd get clobbered .they didnt throw one shot then hold like today ,lol.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 10:03:25 AM
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brownsugar:
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righteous comments TSS readers,... and regarding PPV,.. there really shouldn't even be any debate about Pac vs Cotto making more money,.. it's already more appealing to fans than Marquez vs Mayweather,... and since PBF has paid off all his debts,.. he knows he will have to pick a top name when it's time to reload his bank account...
Friday Nov 6, 2009 11:16:58 AM
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Smiley C:
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I never make comments to idiot since long ago that I was stalked by two idiots named Damian from England and Anony and Jonald from the United States. Engaging an idiot in dialogue is a waste fo' sure!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 11:26:46 AM
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brownsugar:
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Cotto will earn $10 to $12.5 million,... Pac gets $20 million,.. HBO gets out of debt and makes a profit,.. and Arum gets more money that he will have time to spend in his lifetime,.. (at nearly 80 years old),..but it's not enough for Arum,.. he's already fantasizing about a Pac fighting Mayweather in a new stadium, that isn't even built yet,... and looking past a fight that Pac hasn't even won yet,..
Friday Nov 6, 2009 11:31:46 AM
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Arum is planning for Pacquiao to fight in the new stadium in Texas of the Dallas Cowboy in 2010. Pacquiao's rise to being sought started in San Antonia, Texas.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 11:54:55 AM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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It's pretty ridiculous for some Floyd supporters to okay a fight with Salita and Floyd. Another freakin tune up fight? Give me a break. Floyd is best fighting in the WWE if he's serious of fighting this Salita. If he takes on this guy he will no longer be called Floyd, I will name him Void Mayweather. Just plain ridiculous.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:22:10 PM
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zdrx:
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if pacman beats cotto, pacman will have plenty of belts and title to bring on the table: ibo jr. welter (from hatton), wbo welter (from cotto), wbc diamond belt (courtesy of don jose sulaiman), ring mag p4p title etc... while floyd only brings a spit of self proclaimed "greatness"!!! ppv king? please excuse us, but we were not born yesterday (lol). so it goes without saying pacman has the right to the larger cut. but just for the fight to get going, i agree with that 60-40 split---that the 60% GOES TO THE WINNER. floyd claims all the greatness there is in boxing, all exclusively to himself...then he must prove it by winning to deserve that 60%.
should floyd still cling to his greed, distorted ego and cowardise, then pacman should face the winner of the mosley-berto wbc/wba welter unification bout or.....pacman can stake his ibo jr welter against marquez whichever comes first.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 12:24:54 PM
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brownsugar:
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if Pac does win,.. the amount of money that could be made vs Mayweather would be so obscene,.. both camps would would reluctanly find some king of way to make it happen,... the potential for both men to earn $20+ million apiece is very real,...I just wonder,.. who would want to keep on fighting after getting a payday like that??
Friday Nov 6, 2009 02:48:07 PM
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Manboobs the Great:
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Floyd will fight Hatton again then retire. I dont know why you guys keep speculating on who he will fight next. He'll come up with 10 reasons why Pac or Cotto or Mosley or anyone with a pulse and a farts chance in the wind, doesnt DESERVE to fight him. It'll either be because they dont draw enough money or they have too many losses or they somehow turned him down. Floyd could be an all time great without hardly breaking a sweat but, as he says, "legacy dont pay the bills". YUCK. Just retire Floyd, please.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 03:13:42 PM
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The Saint:
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A couple of things. First off, there's no other match I'd like to see today than Pacquiao vs Mayweather. However, I feel that Mayweather should get a shot at the LOSER, not the winner, of Pacquiao-Cotto (if Cotto wins then there you have it; Mayweather vs Pacquiao!). I'm tired of Mayweather acting like he's the guy that all roads lead to when he has not beaten ANY top welterweight. NOT ONE. It will be MAYWEATHER's privilege to fight either Cotto or Pacquiao and not the other way around. If he wants a shot at the winner of Cotto vs Pacquiao, I say he should earn it by beating the loser first. The top welterweights should not have to fight for an opportunity to fight Floyd. Until Floyd beats a top welterweight, nobody should be lining up to fight him. Mosley and Cotto have proven themselves as part of the elite welterweights (Paul Williams, too, if you consider him a welter), and we're about to find out if Pacquiao is. If Pacquiao beats Cotto, let's see Floyd do the same thing first before being rewarded a fight with Pacquiao without ever proving himself as a welterweight. Or at the very least, beat the winner of Mosley vs Berto. It's one thing if a champion moved up in weight and leap frogged every contender to get a shot at the champ, ala Ray Leonard or Roy Jones. That's somewhat a boxing tradition. But Mayweather moved up to welterweight many, many years ago, and unlike the top welterweights today, he hasn't fought any of the elite welters. I know that all boxing fans, including myself, would like to see Pacquiao vs Mayweather next, but I think the right thing to do is to make Mayweather earn his shot.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 03:46:13 PM
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ayoto:
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OK people!!! Ross of HBO said the mayweather/marquez fight didn't do 1 million buys, But it was almost 1 million coz it was rounded up to A million that included the fight being telecast in some theatre. While Pacquiao vs Cotto fight doesn't need to be on theater coz it surely is a must see fight.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:34:39 PM
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pfineman:
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mayweather may and will never be in the cover of time magazine. so who's the guy to beat. IT'S PAQUIAO! swallow hard jealous floyd!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 05:29:45 PM
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DMAN:
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PACMAN will knock Cotto completely out cold. This is almost a mismatch. Speed equals power. Manny is just way to quick with his hands and feet. Cotto only has a chance if he back PACMAN up into the ropes and uses his size. Cotto does not fight in this manner and will circle and try and box. Not even close. I give it maximum of 6 rounds. 4 to 6 round KO!
DMAN speaks!
Friday Nov 6, 2009 06:28:37 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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Good stuff Saint!! May I add one thing to your great point that May fought Marquez who is a natural Featherweight to put himself in a situation where he holds the cards.-------If you ask me, it don't matter what order they line them up in. Floyd, Mosley, Marquez? Any order will do. But one might not get a shot as I see Manny with only two fights left in his career. Any two of the three listed would be the best fights left in Manny before he hangs them up.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 09:53:44 PM
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the Roast:
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I dont see what Mayweather has to do with anything. Floyd has made himself irrelivant. Here in Chicago, everywhere I go people are talking about Pac vs Cotto. I have alot of bets spread out over the city on Manny to win. As for the PPV, I'm gonna buy it and have a few people over. I NEVER buy these PPV fights. Maybe one or two per year. I havent bought one since RJJ conned me into thinking he had a chance with Calslappy. Manny is a special fighter and his time is now. This fight will do about 1.5 million buys. This is the boxing event of the year and I can't wait. Where the hell is Radam? Did he catch a ban battling with those two stalkers? Come back RG.
Friday Nov 6, 2009 11:15:33 PM
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Denzo Reuiso @ the Roast:
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Radm didn't catch a ban. I saw him at Wild Card Gym today in Los Angeles. I'm a new fighter to the States from Philippines. He said something about staying away from this site because it activates his blennophobia and too many problems with stalkers, criminals, misfits and weirdos full of jactitations.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 12:19:27 AM
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Isaiah:
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Look CLOSELY at a couple of posts, the Roast. For example, somewhere in a recent article... there's a @_ post that reads something about RG is not in hiding. It's Radam or someone who knows him. It was a little more interesting here arguing with the man and I wish him luck in whatever he's doing. As far as the others, seek them out with enough effort and you shall find them... I think we all haven't seen the last of Fistic Fury, SOHK and the others. As one who left this site for awhile myself, I can tell you... this site, like the intoxicating aroma of a fine drink, is something you may be able to resist for awhile, but it WILL pull you back in just when you think your're done with it for good, it WILL pull you back in! Return brothers. Return as we are boxing fans and we remain a force to be reckoned with.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 12:39:53 AM
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danny:
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li'l floyd will be outside looking in.....as pac and mosley tear at each other. li'l floyd will have to beat paul williams before he'll see a fight against the winner of pac-mosley.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 07:44:26 AM
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kountedout:
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@Isaiah - Denzo Reuiso sounds like him to me. tss is that important he talks about it at wild card. a new fighter from the states comes on and explans why he is not here. sounds weird to me. he using other names. sad but if this is how he gets or wants attention so be it. i agree with Fe'Roz we should be banned at least 1 month for saying things out of disrespect to your fellow man whether it has racial tones or jus disrespecting another member. show that you are an adult and have some class not a kid.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 09:05:11 AM
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the Roast:
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@Denzo, tell the G man that the Roast says hello. I dont know what blennophobia is or jactitaction. I think if you do the second one too much you go blind.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 01:58:09 PM
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the Roast:
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@ Isaiah, I dont look at all the posts. Mostly just the Reg's or if sombody says@the Roast. I think that if Radam was gonna post he would use his screen name. Unless he got banned, I dont know.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 02:05:58 PM
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Denzo Reuiso:
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One thing for sure is that whoever "him" is, he has made some people deeply paranoid. Nobody has time for ugly behavior and haunted imaginations. "Him" said that you don't stop to talk to bile-spewing idiots on the street of America The Beautiful, so why do it on a cyberspace site. You can find "him" in several other places. Talking to crackpots because they have a right is like hurting yourself because they give out ice cream at the ER. And the ice cream was made with sour milk. That is all that I will say.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 02:45:47 PM
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kountedout:
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in life what do we always hear from others, dont stereotype the whole race. i do believe that so i refuse to believe most blacks, whites, latins acts the same way. i dont know much about filipinos so i would assume the same that they are not all the same. when someone comes on and uses the exact words that someone else would use lets me believe that is that person. keep up the childish games little kid. u didnt have to explain why he dont come on tss anymore. i dont speak for others here but a few but i dont care what he's doing. im sure you saw him at wild card trainer fighters. oh i forgot he might have been on santa monica building the 2nd largest mall in the world. im sure he is buiding the new cheesecake factory in the valley. has anyone ever seen him before? i didnt think so. if he was mr about the world and as much as he likes to brag he would have met some guys on tss to show he is the top promoter in boxing. watch out bob arum, oscar, don king, gary shaw, lou dibella, there's a new sheriff in town called him. im paranoid while your a little kid.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 03:54:57 PM
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the Roast:
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@kountedout, If you dont care, why the long comments about Radam? It sounds to me like the guy bugs the hell out of you. I've been reading Radams comments for a long time now and I have wondered if he really knows all these fighters and travels all over the world or if he's just some shmuck with a vivid imagination. I dont know. Most likely never will. To me, it's more fun with him than without him.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 06:21:15 PM
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WAPAKMAN:
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What's up next for PBF? - Williams? Mosley? Pacquiao? --- Geez can he continue ducking REAL challenge? Or will he now fight JuanMa Lopez or Ivan Calderon? And call it a great fight?
And will the critics of Pacquiao finally shut up if he STOPS Cotto? I do mean the fight will not go the distance, and it will be a stoppage.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 06:40:34 PM
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Peplz:
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Oh now Mayweather needs to prove that he is worthy to fight Pacquiao is going to be the new propaganda that these people pump to try to discredit Mayweather. Don't be mad that Floyd put handle bars on you guys biggest nemesis. This is all psuedo negro penis envy anyway. Floyd never faced a top welter weight is a very opinionated and nowhere near substantiated claim. Zab Judah was a top welter weight at the time that Mayweather fought him. Say what you want about Carlos Baldomir but he was the champion at the time Floyd faced him and he came in the ring wieghing about 154lbs to have a size advantage. I think that Baldomir would beat the s@$t out of Margarito if they were to ever fight. So all the people that say he ducked Margarito to fight Baldomir are seriously under estimating Baldomir. He is just as tough if not tougher than cheating ass Margarito. Who is a chump to me, and always has been. Oscar De la Hoya was the junior middle weight champ when Floyd fought him, which is the weight that De la Hoya is most comfortable at, yet people keep saying he only faces opponents that are smaller than him. Don't forget that Floyd became a world champion for the first time at the age of 21 in the junior light weight division. The guy he beat to win the title was the top dog and had never been defeated in that weight division. And he took on all comer from there on. R.A. the Rugged Man did not have his facts straight. I think people make so much out of that set up that they like to call an interview because R.A. was so disrespectful calling him a liar and muthaf@#%er. Over the phone mind you. Not face to face. Anointing Pacquiao the best P4P made sense when Mayweather was retired. Kind of. But Mayweather is back and Pacquiao has not beaten Mayweather. Until he does I don't see how anyone could say that he is the P4P best. Mayweather has taken on better competition than Pacquiao has without a doubt. Name the people that Pacquiao has beaten other than Marquez that make his resume as good as Mayweather's. If he beats Cotto we'll be having a different conversation. I felt like Mayweather should've taken on Cotto instead of Hatton at the end of 07' so a Pacquiao victory over Cotto means a hell of alot. Has Floyd fought top competition throughout his career? Absolutely. Does he still have some things to prove. Sure he does. I think he knows he does too. And with him coming out of retirement we need to sit back and give him a chance to prove that he is willing to heed the call of the boxing public and face SOME of the opponents people are calling for him to face.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 09:16:11 PM
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kountedout:
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@the roast - no i dont care, but yeah he does bug the hell out of me because when you have guys here that talk good boxing and he comes with lies about who he knows then he tells other people he knows you like he knows me and isaiah. then he tells people that we are stalking him. he then goes under other names just either because he was banned or he wants attention. this other guy who claims he talked to him why would he say such stupid stuff and he just came on here yet he doesnt no anyone here. thats wny i know that him. im not going to start talking rude or stupid to anyone on a site and im new here. come on. well let him have fun with you. you might think its fun i dont and im sure some others dont as well. its not my site i cant say who can be on here or not so i dont care.
Saturday Nov 7, 2009 11:25:28 PM
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kountedout:
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peplz - good points, floyd would have fought cotto i dont think arum would have put cotto in the ring with floyd at that time. arum is upset that floyd left him. floyd had signed to fight the winner of judah/baldomir. floyd cant help that judah didnt handle his business. floyd is bashed for fighting a great fighter like marquez after taking off almost 2 years. dont hear anyone talking about hopkins fighting enrique ornelas. who has ornelas ever beat. floyd could have came out of retirement and picked a real easy fight like david diaz.
Sunday Nov 8, 2009 07:25:41 AM
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dj:
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PACQUIAO the lil man from the phiL the main man now!
Sunday Nov 8, 2009 05:59:38 PM
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jonas layag:
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It all for manny,floyd is a fake ,can not do what manny done,,,,mayweather who??? how many belts and legitimate win he have???....just running and placing is not boxing...mayweather should play billiard intead,but pacman is again best in billiards so wait a minute,..ok mayweather should do wrestling when everything is done for pure entertainment..
Sunday Nov 8, 2009 11:00:22 PM
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Fe'Roz @ knockedout:
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Hopkins is 45 years Young. He defended the Middleweight title 20 consecutive times. Since turning 40 he has fought Harold Eastman, Jermaine Tayor twice, Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright, Joe Calzaghe....and then he embarrassed Kelly Pavlik. Since turning 40 years old. All due respect, Comparison to Floyd's resume is a disservice to both fighters.
There is no comparison.
Monday Nov 9, 2009 12:00:37 AM
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kountedout:
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@Fe'Roz - i take nothing away from hopkins, i respect your opinion. im not comparing hopkins to mayweather at all.
Monday Nov 9, 2009 05:48:01 PM
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CHINAMAN:
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This author is totally right. If Floyd doesnt fight mosely or pacquiao or cotto, his light will be stolen from pacman and pacquiao who is totally overrated will go down in history which he shouldnt. pacquiao has great power, heart, and he is willing to fight. that is a perfect boxer for the audience. But SKILL wise? come on man pacquiao makes so many mistakes, he has never fought a fighter like mayweather who catches those mistakes and puts you down. Marquez almost got it done in the first 2 fights but marquez sometimes loves to trade punches and his defense sucks. Pacman is a great brawler/trader type of boxer. he has fast combinations inside into the body. but mayweather is too smart for that stuff. i dont know why people cant see that. Pacquiao only fought hatton and delahoya. Hatton has no boxing skills wat so ever, and de la hoya, thats been talked about too much. he was drained and he is god damn it pass his prime. Now pacquiao gets to fight cotto who i believe will lose. Pacquiao is too quick for cotto, and i think pacman is going to have alot of power. Cotto was great but that clottey fight showed his late skills. I want cotto to win though because i want floyd mayweather to fight cotto, cotto is just better boser overall to fight floyd. Shane mosely is good too and i want mayweather to beat him. he will be the toughest oponnent but mayweather will get pass him. I just dont understand why people dont see mayweather's awesome skills. Mayweather's skills and talents are the best in our era.
Wednesday Nov 11, 2009 08:25:45 PM
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R1CANHAV0K:
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Money Mayweathers career has been a tune-up fight leading up to his grand finale....a lack luster bout with skeptics and naysayers alike....a barrage of doubt and disappoinment not even the philly shell can withstand....quick Floyd, employ the "Rope a Dope"
Thursday Nov 12, 2009 02:38:39 PM
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wow:
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he won
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 09:03:42 AM
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Ray :
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Hey what happened! SOOOOO quiet here... PACMAN won.. 2 Knockdowns and very early and I'm sure you already know.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 10:24:30 PM
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Steve :
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You can't compare PPV numbers for common foes like Marquez, de la Hoya, or Hatton. It's not like those numbers were frozen in space and time. Each one of those fights happened with a certain context.
With each win, Pacquiao's stock has risen and boy has it risen fast. After his win with Cotto, he is so much bigger than he was just before the de la Hoya fight.
Whether PBF likes it or not, while he was retired and clowning around, Pacquiao did his talking in the ring and earned the mythical P4P designation. He earned it by fighting in the ring, not by telling people how great he was.
You can't come out of retirement, after having dodged all the best welterweights your size for years, and just doing a tune-up fight with a lightweight and expect the reigning P4P fighter to let you eat his hard earned money and status. If PBF wants 60-40 cut in his favor, then he is ducking.
Mayweather, the world has changed since you announced your retirement.
Your schtick is so exposed and obvious because you use it against a fighter who is so likable in Manny.
We've all seen what Manny has done in the ring, and what we've seen with our own eyes don't gel with Mayweather's revisionist version of the facts.
At this point in their careers, Mayweather needs Pacquiao to earn the megafight bucks. Without Pacquiao, he'll struggle to hit a million PPV's on his next fight unless he fights a real A-level welterweight. I think most fans are beginning to see his shtick now.
With Pacquiao, the two of the them could probably do over 2million PPVs. Maybe even 3million PPVs. It would easily be the fight of the decade.
But Pacquiao doesn't need Mayweather for his legacy.
Pacquiao should get the better share of the revenue. There's no reason to chase ta deal for this fight.
We'll have to see who blinks first in the negotiations and whether PBF really wants the fight or not.
If it doesn't happen, then let's see PBF fight the winner of Mosely vs Berto. Pacquiao could settle things with Marquez and then Pacquiao can take on the winner of the PBF/Mosely/Berto trio.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 04:29:13 AM
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2009 Reader Of The Year Weighs In On Legacies Of Pacquiao And Mayweather
"Pacquiao has proven....in the ring... time and time again that he is the greatest of this time. He has earned his respect. He begs for nothing. He is a man content with his growth, his family and his achievements. A man the world has now turned it's eyes to behold. Floyd Mayweather is not even close in stature. He may possess the greatest skills but he is not the Face of Boxing today. Google Manny Pacquiao. There are 20 million searches. Google Floyd. There are 6.5 million. Look at the NYTimes, the Wall Street Journal and Time. Count how many words were used these past years to mention Floyd Mayweather. Then count the words still being printed about Manny. And keep counting. As I've said many times, Floyd has been too clever by half. He has short changed his public.....and has out-smarted himself. Manny will fight but a few more times. Enjoy it while you can. He is an all time great pugilist. Floyd, with all of his remarkable skills lack the will to be truly great in the biggest sense of the word. His legacy will look more like Holmes that Ali. He has earned it." ---November is half-way gone, but we don't need to keep counting ballots. It's a landslide. Fe'Roz has won the 2009 Reader of the Year award. His comments add to the website immeasurably, and he epitomizes the thoughtful, respectful, educated fan of pugilism we strive to cater to at TSS. Congrats, Fe'Roz, and please accept my thanks for being the valued member of this community that you are. Sincerely, Editor Mike
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