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Just Working On Fighting A Southpaw
By Rick Folstad
It’s hot and sticky and just after 1 p.m. on a weekday and there is a large crowd trying to peek in through the sliding doors that open into the Fight Factory gym. They’re lined up five and six deep like a mob of teenage girls trying to catch a glimpse of a rock star.
But it’s only Miguel Cotto they’re trying to see. He’s inside working, which is more than you can say for the crowd outside.
Don’t these people have jobs? Don’t they know boxing is dead, it’s epitaph already carved in stone, an ugly passing brought on by things like cable TV, too many weight classes and mixed martial arts?
Guess they haven’t been reading the papers.
Oh yeah. Newspapers are also dead.
Maybe the demise of boxing has been greatly exaggerated, you know, like Mark Twain’s death.
Maybe we should look again for signs of life. Check the pulse, look for some color. Listen. Isn’t that a heart beat?
How else would you explain the huge turnout for Cotto’s training session. After all, he’s from Puerto Rico and this is a Tampa Bay crowd. Everyone is standing on their tiptoes, leaning forward, trying to get a better look or a snapshot of Cotto and his camp before they pack up and leave for Las Vegas for Cotto’s fight with Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 14 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
Maybe the short, stocky guy with the shaved head and the glasses, had it right.
“Boxing needs this fight,“ says legendary trainer Angelo Dundee, who lives in Tampa Bay and was inside the gym watching Cotto go through his paces. “It should be a great fight and what ever they are being paid, they deserve.“
What they’re being paid is at least $20 million for Pacquiao and $10 million for Cotto, which should help both guys make a few car payments.
If Dundee was going to pick a winner, he said he’d go with Cotto, who goes about his training session like a guy who just found out his wife was cheating on him. He doesn’t smile or talk, he doesn’t joke around, and nothing seems to distract him from what he‘s doing. He’s focused, a fighter obsessed with one thing.
Even when the crowd acknowledges his birthday (he turned 29 on Oct. 29) by chanting his name, he hardly blinks an eye. A schedule has to be followed and maintained. There’s just so much time left to get everything right.
“I like the way he handles himself. He’s a pro,” Dundee says. “Look at him. He‘s oblivious to everyone in the joint. I love the way he conducts himself.”
It’s rumored that styles make fights, and Dundee likes what he sees in Cotto, a right-hander going in against Pacquiao’s southpaw stance.
“Style wise, if I had a fighter fighting Pacquiao, I’d fight him just like Cotto is going to fight him,” Dundee said. “Cotto has the style to beat a southpaw. And not that I’m such a genius. I’ve trained six southpaws and managed one of the best southpaws outside of Pacquiao in Michael Nunn. He was the best.”
Dundee says when a southpaw faces an orthodox fighter, there is usually a lot of carnage.
“They seem to break each other up,” he said. “But you never know what’s going to happen in boxing. Certain people can always beat certain other people. One style beats another style.“
After Cotto’s workout, with fans still overflowing the front of the gym, Cotto sat down with his back against a wall and faced the swarming media.
Asked what he was doing different in getting ready for Pacquiao, he said he was just working on fighting a southpaw.
“You have to be prepared and I’m more than prepared,“ he said. “Every fight is special, and I have to prove to myself that I’m still one of the best. I don’t have any doubts and I know what I’m capable of doing in the ring. But when you want something so much for yourself, you want to bring more (to the gym) every day.”
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Frank Z:
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from his interviews cotto's falling into the same mental trap as pac's last 3 oppponents, and that he's bigger and stronger and can impose his will on pacquiao. we've all seen how hard pacquiao works on his strength and conditioning what makes everyone think he's gonna wilt as soon as someone starts to try to be physical? i seriously think a lot of this has to do with the fact that he's asian, if he was black latino or white i'm willing to bet that people would be talking more about how his body's grown and matured and can't make the lower weights anymore, and i think manny cannot go below 135 now. even when he fighting hatton he came into the ring at 148 when he weighed 138 at weigh in, the dude's a solid jr. welter, coupled with lightning speed and busy foot movement, and power, which also somehow gets overlooked even though he probably has a longer highlight reel of knockouts than anyone south of heavyweight not named shane mosley. google tale of the tape for pacquiao and cotto and you'll see that their measureables are mostly identical.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 10:56:20 AM
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deepwater:
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if cotto boxes,and moves he has a chance. cottos straight right and left hook to the body is the key. if he can land those two punches he can win the fight. i dont think cotto is dumb enough to think he can just over power pacman.if he tries that he will be on his back. im looking forward to this fight and its hard to pick a winner. im going with cotto.and dundee is due for at least one right pick. this should be fight of the year.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 11:25:42 AM
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ali @ Frank Z:
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You make a great point when guys try to impose there size will on Pac he really kicks ass. Morales and Marquez gave him problems because they boxed. I just took a look as some of his fights and Cotto is a damn good boxer with a great jab I think if he fight Pac like he fought Mosley he wins but if he tries to impose his size he's going to get his ass whoop.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 11:39:15 AM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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You're very spot on Frank Z. The sad part about what you said is that he is not getting the praises he deserves from all the well known writers and trainers like Dundee or a Bert Sugar. I also think that if Pac was white, black, or latino, he would be the next big thing here. Most people try to downgrade his accomplishments instead of giving the credit when its due. I need a Filipino in my list of great athletes and Pacquiao would be nice to put on the list next to guys like Michael Jordan, SRL, and Jerry Rice who are my all time fave athletes.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 12:28:42 PM
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Porkupine:
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Cotto by KO....Cotto is the baddest man in the division. Pac BEating Oscar and a shot Hatton...compared to Judah, Mosley, MArgarito and Clottey? I hope Pac is ready for a real fight.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 01:14:27 PM
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ali @ #1 Pacfan:
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Hey your right he don't get the respect he's due that's why when Mayweather said if he was from another country or was white he would be alot bigger. Believe be sometime it happens to black fighters too Terry Norris, Mark Too Sharp Johnson, Mike McCallum were great fighters that didn't get the credit they deserve.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 01:19:05 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Frankly, Frank Z has touched the third rail of out community. Race. There is no question that it impacts to whom we respond, how we respond, and to what degree we respond; both in Boxing and certainly outside of Boxing. Nationalities notwithstanding, Race has been and continues to the ugly stepsister of all of our families. Sure, Mexicans support Mexican fighters, Puerto Ricans support there own, etc ....but the broader perception, whether it be Floyd and/or in this case Manny, is absolutely impacted by race.... and racism. Active or Latent, it's all the same. It's still Racism. But there is a silver lining. Manny is without question .... simply based on the huge population in the Philippines alone... known to more people than any boxer since Tyson and Ali. But is gets better. His being Asian is ...or at least should be....Boxing's good fortune. the sheer size of the population in all of the Asian Countries combined, the talent pool and market potential thus far untapped, is immense. In today's culture/economy, if you seek capital, you go East. If you seek markets, you go east. China looms. in fact, China has arrived. It is time to open our minds not merely to be better fans and citizens.... but to grow and thrive. We are all in this together... like it or not. So better to like it. as I said in a previous post, this fight is about Manny. The world is watching him attempt to make history. To slay, if I may, the giant that has thus far been Western Civilization. Our World. If Arum, King, Oscar and Schaefer don't already know this, they will. Because the sound of cheering millions on and around the Asian Continent will be the future of Boxing.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 01:29:40 PM
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deepwater:
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I dont think the race card has anything to do with this fight at all.this is the biggest fight of the year. Fighters from all ethnic backrounds have a chance in boxing. who cares about burt sugar or dundee.they all respect pacman no matter who you think is gonna win this fight.Don King knows all about china thats why he has been doing a few shows over there.China has arrived for sure.learn mandarin becouse thats where all the money is now.Buy gold and silver as a hedge against the devaluation of the us dollar.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 01:54:15 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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Great post TopNotch Fe'Roz!! @MisterLee, hey maybe third time's a charm for Dundee. Maybe this will finally be the fight that if Pac wins, Dundee will pick him next time around. OH wait, there still Floyd who he will favor over Pac. @Ali, I totally agree with you, those guys were all great fighters in their time.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 02:26:57 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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I was reading the Floyd May article and I wanted to point out a particular reader who made a great point. Reader Next in Line wrote:Ever since I seen a young Floyd beat Genero Hernandez I have been a big fan of Mayweather. The mans skills are undeniable! I understand his business motives but from the looks of things he, his children and his childrens children should be pretty well off unless he goes broke. Could you imagine what would have happened to this sport if all the greats had thought like floyd. Why is it that other sports have playoffs and superbowls, world series, etc.? To determine who is the best! Imagine if let's say.... When the Patriots got to the superbowl and got to hand pick who they play or which team will produce the most money! As a fan of floyds extreme talent I ask why not prove yourself and fight the best? When has floyd been in a fight when we genuinly do not know who is going to win. I hope he proves me and others wrong and starts fighting some of these guys."""""You couldn't have said that any better. There were a lot of great comments on that piece.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 02:54:23 PM
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Radam G - Itong nalang ang post ko -- PacMan in 1 or 4:
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The race card is always placed when PacMan fights. And it will be played again, LOUD and CLEAR! The opponent will see a flashes of WHITE from getting struck by those lightning-quick Pacpunches. He will know BROWN is around when he and Team Cotto $hit their pants from freaking out from awesome Pacpower. He will see flashes of YELLOW from the vaseline being put on his cut eyes. He will see the RED of his pouring blood out of his chopped-up face. And last, but not least, he will see BLACK after he drops from Pacman's missle shots. Da Pac's fightgame represents every human color because we got it like that. We live like that! It's Pinoy Time! It's PacTIme! It is almost game time! Holla 4 a colla all my top dawgs! See ya! I wouldn't wanna be ya! Holla!
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 03:10:18 PM
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Frank Z@ #1 PacFan:
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Well he has been in fights where experts weren't sure, manny steward thought sharmba mitchell could beat him, and jose luis castillo was definitely thought to be able to beat him, along with diego coralles. my issue with floyd is not that he would rather be rich and not take risk, r all this is boxing. but simply the fact that he expects people to believe his petty bragging, that coupled with the fact that he's supremely abled in boxing makes me itch to see him fight the best in each weight class he moves into. he did it at 130 and 135, to a lesser degree at 140, but his 147 resume aside from mitchell and judah is completely barren. i do give him credit for beating oscar at 154, though he was aging and inactive. now that he is back, and SAYS he's here for the competition and fans, there's no point in handpicking. either you're gonna fight people who will give you competition, or you jsut focus on making money. i understad you still want to get bucks for your bang, but talking bad about future opponents (mosley, pacquiao, williams) is a bad look.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 03:10:23 PM
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Frank Z @ deepwater:
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i wasn't denying that pacquiao's hugely popular or that this was gonna be a big fight, i was just saying that his race does impact how people view his abilities as a fighter, same way people view white basketball or football players as lesser athletes.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 03:12:04 PM
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don't know how Cotto's camp has been coming along,. heard a bunch of rumors,... but nobody knows for sure,.. but I can guarantee that if Cotto can fight at full strenght at 145,.. he's already 2 to 3 times better than Hatton and Del La Hoya were when they fought Pac,... also Pac makes huge errors in the ring that a sharp boxer can capitolize on,... like throwing himself off balance when he loads up on the left,... or leaning forward sometimes making himself subseptible to uppercuts after he throws certain punches.... also he can be tagged with a well thrown straight right (see Marquez vs Pac),... if the fight gets heated enough he'll revert back to his old stand and slug style,...(which is why he's so popular),..... at this point I don't see a mismatch,.. and I don't think Cotto is going to suddenly fold up and get old after the first hard punch,... both of these guys are some of my favorites boxers,.. so for me it really doesn't matter who wins as long as both guys prepared well enough to fight at thier greatest potential.....
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 03:49:36 PM
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Anony - watching Wilfredo Gomez vs. Lupe Pintor:
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SINCE PACQUAIO - COTTO HYPE CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW... I decided to invest my time watching some old fights in youtube. I decided for Gomez / Pintor because I read Pintor came to the island and they share some thoughts recently. Been THE ROOKIE that I am here in TSS, it seems this fight is mandatory to watch, so I proceeded. WHAT A FIGHT!!!! Not the "most brutal" or like Israel Vazquez and Marquez but certainly what a fight. You can tell that he and the actual Boricua's (Cotto and Juanma) share the same heart. Actually, Gomez looks like a mix of Juanma (boxing) and Cotto's (agressiveness when he gets aggressive). I'm telling you, on november 13th, no matter what happens, I'm sure Manny and Miguel will show exactly that to the fans. HEART. And heart will determine this fight. Not Freddy Roach or the media or the Pinoys or the Boricuas opinions or Manny's speed or Cotto's Strength. It will be pride and heart that will determine the outcome.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:08:54 PM
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Jean-Pierre Pentreath:
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Ethnicity has nothing to with it for me except that it's nice to see someone different shine. Pac is awesome & i love his movement & power. Cotto's skills are little underappreciated & i think that's what is gonna prevail. peace
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:25:25 PM
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FRITZ:
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I think Cotto is still suffering from his defeat to Margarito he is not yet fully healed Mentally.... his team is trying to convince him that he's the bigger , stronger, and smarter fighter.. ... Huh.. If the PacMan hit Cotto with one Straight left....I believe that PacMan hits harder than Margarito(even loaded with plaster of paris). I think he'll gonna have a nervous breakdown.... that will cause his defeat.... Just my opinion..
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:37:19 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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You're absolutely right once again Frank Z, after Floyd ventured to 140 is when I started to lose him. I followed his career from the olympics till this day. I saw a SRL like type of talent in Floyd and he caught me as a fan(everyone should know by now I'm a SRL fanatic). I really thought he was going to be the next big name in boxing and I still do. But if you don't prove your greatness with other great fighters, how can you be judged? DaveB said it best on behalf of us critics and just fight the boxers that are ranked among yourself and you will be credited. You can't say it any easier than that. You can't call yourself the greatest when you're facing the easy fights in your prime.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:44:40 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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I just want to add one thing to my last post regarding Race. It is a factor in our lives. But here, in our space, in the TSS Universe, let's keep it out. And keep it clean. Passions will flare next week and beyond. I consider you all brothers and enjoy sharing this space with you all. We have lost one or two friends along the way. SOHK comes to mind. Let's be sure to not let it happen again. Otherwise, We all lose
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:47:55 PM
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El guapo:
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Mexico behind Cotto.....yes....
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:47:59 PM
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Frank Z@ Fe'Roz:
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well said, this space is for people who can make serious and insightful observations and have good conversations about the game. race is something most of us don't feel comfortable talking about, but sometimes it has to be discussed, and i think the people who come on here are able to keep the discussions logical and clean, i'm trusting that we can all have serious discussions on it, becuase it certainly plays a role in boxing marketing.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 05:26:10 PM
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ali @ Frank Z:
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You always make great points but I got to disagree with you a little bit. When you you make a fight with guys who have made it at the top it comes down to numbers you put up period. I wish it wasn't like that but it is. When you go to the table with ODH you already know who was getting the larger % of the money and Mayweather is in ODH position now. He got to find a way around it still get his money and make the fight happen were there is a will there is a way. If he got to do it like B-hop and Roy Jones so be it don't nobody want to see him fight anybody but Mosley, Williams, Pac, or Cotto I hope he understands that.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 05:38:01 PM
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Frank Z@ ali:
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yeah i hope he realizes that too... that his most dangerous fights are also his most money fights. he's got a real opportunity here, if he lines them all up and knocks them all down, he WILL be the best since sugar ray leonard, #1 and #1a, with roy and bhop fighting for second place. he needs to realize that legacy can in fact pay bills, SRL is still profiting off his, so is roy off his 90s-2003 legacy. i think floyd has the skill and talent to do it, does he want to?
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 05:54:27 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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After next weekend, when two of boxing's finest face off, Floyd's options will be many but few. He controls his own destiny. He can decide if he wants to fight for his place in history. Whether or not he wants what he says he wants. Legacy is a big six-letter word. It isn't handed out like HOF induction. It's elusive and intangible. It is made in the ring .... but sustained outside. We make you; not the other way around. Floyd, I have little doubt knows this. What he still needs to do is show... Up. In the ring with the undisputed best in his class; in their prime and in their time. What he earns in the ring is absolutely critical. We all respect that. But to earn respect, he must pay to play by another set of rules. Ours. The public. History is not auto-biography. It is written by others. Others will decide his fate . It's not unlike the Championship Rounds. After fighting a fantastic fight, do you really want to leave it in the hands of the Judges. I wouldn't. Floyd shouldn't. He should insist on November 15th (not before) that he wants the winner and... the loser. And then Mosely to unify the division. Unify and Satisfy. Win and silence the critics. Win the critics and you win your place in history. And seal your Legacy. And as FrankZ, myself and many others have said, that is something you can bank on. For life!
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 11:20:34 PM
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All I know is that boxing hasn't change all that much as May puts it out to be. Pacquiao, Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley have all fought for a measely scrap of chump change in their days. During those days they have fought their toughest challenge up to date. These guys eventually met up at the top not knowing they were going to collide. And surely they collided(Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, and now Pac) so determined to seek who is the best in the division. Right now the big three(Cotto, Mosley, Margarito) are all about even with one loss on one anothers belt. With Cotto losing to Marg, Mosley losing to Cotto, and Margarito losing to Mosley. Now that's pretty interesting. Who is actually getting the best of who? A rematch would have to determine that. Now Manny is thriving to be in the mix to seek once again if he can conquer another weight division. A tough task lies ahead against a rought and rugged Miguel Cotto. If Cotto is successful he would surely be seen as the supreme leader of the division. Manny on the other hand is not just seeking another title he is seeking a big chunk of history. The only man to win 7 world title belts in different divisions and the only man to win world titles at super featherweight, Lightweight, Jr. lightweight, and welterweight in less than two years. That's a monumental feat for a fighter who started his career at flyweight. My point is that these guys will be remembered for their battles and their performance but not the skills there lack of. Like Fe'Roz mentions on top, money don't last a lifetime but legacy is cemented in history.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:01:18 AM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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I would like to add one last thing. I never would have imagined Manny Pacquiao who was fighting at 130 couple of years ago would be fighting one of the big three before Mayweather. I'd be embarrassed if I was Floyd right now because a lot of people have been wanting for him to fight these guys before retiring. Many of you might say that the business part got in the way of it. But if you're a self-promoted fighter you can put all that aside and shut your critics up.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:09:49 AM
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wow.I know Floyd has some great fighters for him to fight but S#!T.....he is 32 yrs old and I feel like the JMM fight was basically a tune up fight after a year and 9 months off. HE SAID SOMTHING ABOUT NOT GIVING A SH&^ ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY WHEN HE IS GONE.What l want to know is why cant people wait and see who he fights instead of saying the same s#&T over and over.His defense might be the greatest of all time but he has to prove to a lot of haters.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:52:09 AM
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Fe'Roz @ #1 Pacfan:
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No one could have imagined Manny fighting Cotto two years ago. Miguel Cotto. The man that beat destroyed Zab Judah and beat Shane Mosely. Manny Pacquiao, the very same fighter who struggled but beat JMM twice. The little man from General Santos City with lightning in his hands and ice water in his veins. Fighting the same man that was outpointing the fearsome Antonio Margarito...one year ago! Meteoric is an understatement. This is historic. It's no wonder he's the Number One pound for pound. He was winning three fights, every round.... while Floyd was no where to be found. It's amazing. We all know that eventually he cannot maintain this rise. That he will meet a weight that will determine his fate. But we will watch in awe. Cotto, like Floyd against JMM, is the larger man. Manny, for challenging him and facing him, is the Bigger. pc
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:52:32 AM
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Miguel camp pass out a notification to inspect the Pacman's handwrap. Who would not like it among the fans a clean and honest one would surely make it a double treat. Pac is a PURE PUNCHING HUMAN MACHINE with great reputation of a clean fighter. He even prays for the safety of both of party. Not even known for low blow and dirty tactic. I PRAY FOR A CLEAN AND HONEST FIGHT FROM from from bell 1 to bell end.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 01:36:14 AM
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Isaiah:
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I prey for the safety of both fighters and know that this will be money well spent. Nuff said.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:07:29 AM
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GOAT @ #1 Pac:
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Stop worrying about PBF. Your focus should be on how Pac is going to handle Cotto's pressure. This is a dangerous fight for Pac. Pac usually knocks guys out without to much career ending damage but Cotto punishes guys until they flat out quit. That's dangerous because Pac is not a quiter and he could be seriously hurt if things go wrong. PBF will be there for the winner, that's just enjoy this match up and discuss how PBF will destroy the winner after we have a winner.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 06:50:51 AM
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Floydfan:
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Heard Castillo was kicked out of Pacquiaos camp. He was putting much pressure and hurting Pacquiao.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:13:18 AM
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MisterLee @ floydfan:
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Who's your source in Montana? a native american chief, or another member of the village people? Pc!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 09:38:23 AM
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Fe'Roz @ GOAT:
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You are right. Manny needs to worry about one thing. Miguel. But the Miguel Cotto that you speak about... the pressure fighter who brutally breaks down his opponent ....has, not counting Jennings and Gomez, not really showed up since the summer of of 2007; two an a half years ago. Since he destroyed Zab Judah, the Cotto Manny will face is not the same destructive force he had been; certainly not when he has met the likes of Mosely, Margarito and Clottey. Now obviously the latter three are true welterweights and Manny is not. But manny asked for this challenge. this is where the rubber meets the road. And the operative questions remain relevant. Will Cotto hit and hurt the naturally smaller man. Remember, Margarito was right there waiting to get smacked and walked right through Miguel. Clottey stood there in his poor man's Winky Wright earmuffs and shook of him off. Look at theeir faces after the fight. Nada. So Miguel has to catch Manny first, then hurt him. If he does the first, I am sure it will hurt. How badly remains to be seen. If it's bad, Manny will not have a great night. He will be forced to box and keep his distance. Conversely, if he takes Miguel's punches, I don't see Miguel winning. Manny is an offensive machine. He will attack ad counter... slash and gash. Miguel will be lucky to make the final bell. We will find the answers to so many intriguing questions. Two great warriors testing each other at their best. who could ask for anything more.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 09:54:26 AM
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Marco Polo:
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i see this fight goin to manny, bounce bounce den forward throwing the left, and slide. den bounce bounce go forward slip slide hit1,2,3,4 den back. bounce bounce dodge dodge slip slide throw 2 jab den straight left. bounce bounce with head movement throw a right hook to the body and a straight left to the face den out agen. in out side to side is the key. when he feels the rope on his back he will slide and change place to cotto. damn, i hope his chin can hold. but i doubt if he will be KO by a body shot.. those freakin muscles and well conditioned body will hold the pressure of cotto. but his chin? omg, hope he can handle those. it would be a 8 round fight i guess. cotto will bleed and the ring doctor will stop the fight.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:50:09 AM
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Marco Polo:
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damn. why is it nov 14 is too long. im chillin and freakin out. i wanna see the goddamn fight.. two warriors who slug who box who dream to be one of the greatest or better the best boxer who is not afraid and fighting the best on his division. unlike some.. hooorah
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:54:14 AM
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GOAT @ Fe'Roz:
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Cotto has only two fights after Marg so it's hard to determine where he is physically. I said it before and I'm saying it now, if he can take Pac's punch in the first couple of rounds, he will demolish Pac. That's not saying Pac isn't good but Cotto is way better than Pac's past four or five oponents.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:33:34 AM
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MisterLee:
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@ Marco Polo, prediction of the year! that's how i see it too! except he'll utilize the uppercut too! SHourrryou ken!!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:07:20 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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@GOAT, I don't have to worry about Manny when it comes to the ring. He will let it all hang out. He fights like there's no tomorrow and that's all I need to know. If he loses, he loses as a champion, a fighter who exceeded his limits. A fighter trying to chase history. Now I know...What goes up must come down but I just don't see that happening just yet for Pacquiao. When or if ever when Floyd faces Cotto-Pac winner or Mosley, he would only get my respect and deserves to be an all time. But Floyd just waited too long to face(Mosley, Cotto, Marg) these guys which is why I wouldn't give him that much credit for it.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:21:06 PM
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GOAT @ #1 Pac:
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Who do you want PBF to fight to get credit? You just said he waited to long for Shane, Cotto, and Marg, then who is out there for him to fight? Secondly, Pac doesn't have limits! Speed and Power are God given and Pac has both. Roach helped him with technique and discipline but he has God given talent so do start making excuses before he looses. Someone like B-hop doesn't have God given Speed and Power but he is very discipline and he's a great technician but Pac has the gifts.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 01:13:09 PM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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I've stated this before and if this fight don't turn out into an all out war, the winner should be great for Floyd. Both of these guys have had their share of tough battles in the ring and there's no room for it if Floyd is waiting in the wings. I expect this to last atleast five rounds and if I'm right then Pac or Cotto would be the one I would give the full credit for Floyd. I would have given the most props to Floyd if he had taken the Mosley fight. As we know Floyd is waiting for Mosley to get older.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:45:13 PM
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arroyo grande bob:
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Dundee may be right but he picked DLH over Pac. Trainers are no better than 50-50. Lets wait and see
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 05:33:56 PM
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MisterLee @ GOAT:
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You can't teach heart and work ethic, and being receptive to learning and feedback... and being focused not to get distracted outside life... tho these are things that manny has developed, and are not just "genetics" , like he was born the right code, it took hard work and personal ethic to get there, many of a lesser man with the exact same body would have cashed in with his first belt, bang a couple baby mamas, and you'll see the wash out hanging out in a rap video or vip section. Pac got there b/c of his personality, his upbringing and history, and b/c of his loyalty, not just b/c of his speed and power that are "god given" (skills he developed, not just were given too, tho the power you can't teach). pc!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:21:03 PM
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MIsterLee:
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"many of a lesser man with the exact same body would have cashed in with his first belt, bang a couple baby mamas, and you'll see the wash out hanging out in a rap video or vip section." Oops, didn't mean to insult Zab Judah! Holler!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:21:54 PM
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2009 Reader Of The Year Weighs In On Legacies Of Pacquiao And Mayweather
"Pacquiao has proven....in the ring... time and time again that he is the greatest of this time. He has earned his respect. He begs for nothing. He is a man content with his growth, his family and his achievements. A man the world has now turned it's eyes to behold. Floyd Mayweather is not even close in stature. He may possess the greatest skills but he is not the Face of Boxing today. Google Manny Pacquiao. There are 20 million searches. Google Floyd. There are 6.5 million. Look at the NYTimes, the Wall Street Journal and Time. Count how many words were used these past years to mention Floyd Mayweather. Then count the words still being printed about Manny. And keep counting. As I've said many times, Floyd has been too clever by half. He has short changed his public.....and has out-smarted himself. Manny will fight but a few more times. Enjoy it while you can. He is an all time great pugilist. Floyd, with all of his remarkable skills lack the will to be truly great in the biggest sense of the word. His legacy will look more like Holmes that Ali. He has earned it." ---November is half-way gone, but we don't need to keep counting ballots. It's a landslide. Fe'Roz has won the 2009 Reader of the Year award. His comments add to the website immeasurably, and he epitomizes the thoughtful, respectful, educated fan of pugilism we strive to cater to at TSS. Congrats, Fe'Roz, and please accept my thanks for being the valued member of this community that you are. Sincerely, Editor Mike
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