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The Circus Comes To Nuremberg
By Ron Borges
There is an air of mystery about what is going to happen Saturday night in Nuremberg when the largest heavyweight champion in boxing history meets the loudest heavyweight challenger in boxing history. Or should we say the “loutest?’’
A lout is defined in several ways by most American dictionaries. One is “a big, clumsy...person.’’ I give you WBA heavyweight champion Nikolai Valuev. Then again, a lout is also defined as “a person whose behaviour is offensive to others...see jerk.’’ I present WBA challenger David Haye.
Whether you accept either definition or both as applicable to these combatants, one thing is beyond much debate – Big Man gonna have his chin tested this time.
Big Man, of course, is the 7-foot, 325-pound Valuev, a fighter long seen as a circus act in the expanded image of Primo Carnera by many in the sport and nearly everyone outside of it. No one suggests Valuev has been the beneficiary of some pre-arranged victories, as was allegedly the case with Carnera, but certainly no one would dispute that he has not greatly benefitted by towering above his opponents and using his enormous, 85-inch reach and the ability it gives him to grasp a man and clutch him to his breast until he disappears into his considerable body hair to his great advantage.
Occasionally he will land a lengthy but mostly pawing jab but it arrives ponderously, moving forward so slowly at times it seems the jab itself is undecided about how to proceed. As for combinations, well, Valuev will never be accused of throwing punches in bunches.
Yet somehow he has won 50 of his 51 fights, knocked out 34 opponents, twice been awarded the WBA title he now holds and defeated two-time WBA champion John Ruiz twice as well as belt holder Sergei Liakhovich and a depleted version of Evander Holyfield by majority decision on a night when one guy looked slow and the other guy looked slower.
This has led Haye to disparage everything about Valuev calling him, in his kindly moments, “a freak show,’’ “a human circus’’ and a “monster’’ while appearing on the front of the British boxing magazine Boxing Monthly returning a Winston Churchill-like V for victory sign being waved by Valuev with only half that sign in response.
To his credit, the 36-year-old Valuev has declined to respond in kind. Generally he is mostly mute at public affairs, having grown wary long ago of a media horde that looks at him as a fictitious fighter and a clown act. He has grown weary of questions about his height, his early days in Russia when he was transformed from a middling basketball player to a less than elegant fighter and seems to have little interest in discussing much of anything else, although he will talk about his poetry and his love of reading Tolstoy, H.G. Wells and even Sherlock Holmes mysteries.
As for Haye, Valuev simply promises him the same thing he has promised all his predecessors. He promises he will be surprised once he is actually in the ring that Big Man can fight better than advertised.
Frankly, that wouldn’t take much but he will not be lured into some slugfest by Haye, who believes he has superior speed and punching power and his 91.1 per cent knockout rate (22-1, 21 KO) would seem to support that argument even though all but two of those knockouts have come against cruiserweights when he was the undisputed champion of what has become the junior heavyweight division (guys like Rocky Marciano and Floyd Patterson, among many others, would be cruiserweights today).
Valuev fights in a surprisingly cautious way for such a big man, a boxer who lacks great movement but does possess an apparent healthy respect for engaging in hand-to-hand combat. If there is anything to be wary about – beyond body hair that needs to be brush cut - it is his straight right hand and an uppercut that can do damage to a guy like Haye, who has a bad habit of leaning forward on the inside.
In an effort to expand upon his advantages, Valuev has changed trainers and is now being handled by the Russian Alexander Zimin, who claims Valuev will throw “many more punches’’ than he threw against Ruiz and Holyfield. Well, to be brutally honest, in some rounds that would barely require he get to double figures so time will tell but it shouldn’t require much additional planning.
Yet for all his demerits, Valuev has never been knocked off his size 18 ½ feet and that is a skill in itself that has to be acknowledged and admired. Not by Holyfield or Ruiz or Jameel McCline or Larry Donald or Monte Barrett (does everybody have to fight Monte Barrett by the way?) or even by the only man to defeat him professionally, Ruslan Chagaev.
Haye says he will be the first, doing it not with one big shot but with speed and a relentless body attack that will weaken the Goliath of St. Petersburg (that’s the one in Russia not Florida, folks) until he tumbles to the canvas the same way George Foreman did against Ali, a victim of his own body weight and a pace with which he cannot cope.
Asked about this recently Valuev was expansive enough to say, “Fine. We’ll see.’’
Yes we will, if we make the choice to pay $24.95 for the pay-per-view distribution in America, a choice that would not be recommended even for aficionados of the sport of boxing because, frankly, there won’t be much boxing going on Saturday night in Nuremberg. What there will be is the biggest trial there since the World War II war tribunals in 1945-46 but this will be one of a far different, and far less important, nature.
On trial this time will only be a sport, the sport of heavyweight boxing. It is a sport that has itself become a circus act but not a high-wire one filled with drama. Rather it has become a clown show where a giant with limited abilities but boundless body hair faces a cruiserweight who agreed to and then ducked out of fights with both of the Klitschko brothers after much loud fanfare concerning what he would do to each of them to grab a chance at what he figures is an easier belt to win.
One of them will leave with that WBA strap, for what it is worth. Perhaps it will be the breath of hot air that is David Haye. Perhaps it will be Big Man. Either way, heavyweight boxing will remain what Nikolai Valuev has been unfairly accused of being. It will remain a circus, not a sport.
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mortcola:
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Ron, Ron, Ron...sooner or later your articles will have to make their impact through well-reasoned, well-researched points rather than hyperbole. The circus metaphor is nice, the comparisons to Carnera are superficial. But, while I am no great fan of Valuev, saying his jab is THAT slow is just exaggeration. Many big, tall heavyweights have fallen like timber after a round or two with a top contender many inches and pounds smaller. Valuev is generally regarded as relatively quick-handed for a big man, and what he lacks in diversity, he makes up for in execution of his limited skill-set. He has BORINGLY but legitimately won or been pretty even against everyone he's fought. If he didn't have fundamentals and good-enough hand speed, he wouldn't have survived against the champs and contenders and ex-greats he's fought. He's no less active during fights than many of the ballroom dancers in the division over the years. So why the focus on his size and hygiene? Boundless body hair? Funny, but pointless and insulting. At least Haye is, tastelessly, hyping a fight for the sake of profit and a "psychological edge". What's your motivation? At least be controversial with BOXING opinions, rather than adolescent insults. TSW is, for the most part, a great boxing forum. Try to bring up your end.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 08:55:54 AM
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jb:
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Wow, Mortcola, you couldn't have said it any better. What is it with these hack writers?
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 09:15:49 AM
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mortcola:
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Bugs me. Ron's been around for a while, but lately his columns have been annoying me. He shouldn't be writing like a hack.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 11:19:53 AM
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AFN rooting for the Russian:
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I thought Haye was funny for a while. Cheeky cockney chappie that he is. Now I'm convinced he is actually just an A grade pr!ck. He may win, but this Brit will be hoping the lager drinking southern softie gets his backside covered in ring dust, and ends up horizontal for a count of ten, while the ref looks for a stool to stand on in order to raise the class gentleman Valuev's hand. This could be the Russian's 'finest hour' to continue the Churchill connection. EL TOONOY
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 12:22:31 PM
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deepwater:
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haye wins easy.valuev is on to an acting career in russia.he doesnt need boxing anymore. his heart wont let him take to much punishment.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 12:32:57 PM
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mortcola:
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Haye has said that without the hype, boxing is boring. This tells you something about him as a fighter and as a man. And maybe something about his low expectations of his own value as a fighter. Why isn't his skill good enough? Which audience is he trying to impress? When I watch fights, I watch the contest, the skill, the drama, the match-up. F - - - the circus hype.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 02:06:38 PM
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deepwater:
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the hype is part of it. i guess you didnt like ali then?
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 02:32:50 PM
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Jason:
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I don't share the same animus as most for Valuev. He's an intriguing guy to me. He doesn't talk hyperbolic smack, respects the sport, and accepts that he is what he is. He'll never have the speed of Ali. He'll never have the punch of Foreman. And he'll never have the electricity of Tyson. But so what? The guy works with what he has, and like it or not, he's been pretty successful. None of us can claim to have twice held the WBA heavyweight strap. I think that with a good trainer, he could markedly improve. He has an excellent chin and conditioning. If he could learn to snap the jab and snap the right hand, to be more offensive, to position himself properly to maximize his punches, I think he could do damage. When Foreman was doing commentary, he constantly would say that a big man should focus on accuracy. Lay leather on the other guy, even at 75%. Then when the opponent thinks he knows your speed (or lack thereof), add some pop to keep him off balance. The point is just don't miss punches and expend energy because you're throwing hail mary's all night. Valuev should do this. Punch the arms and body if you can't connect with the chin. Wear the other guy down. Lean on him. In any event, I like him to beat Haye. The loudmouth challenger has showed us NOTHING at heavyweight. Zero. He beat a shot Monte Barrett. Big deal. I'm pulling for Valuev and honestly think he'll stop Haye in the mid-late rounds.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 03:53:03 PM
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mortcola@deepwater:
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Loved Ali. Ali delivered. Every punk can talk. Most can't deliver. And most disrespect the sport in the process. Ali didn't.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 07:21:25 PM
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brownsugar@Jason:
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Jason I have to say that your post is very articulate and very well written,.. If I hadn't seen Valuev,.. I'd be persuaded to believe Valuev could pull it off,... but I have serious doubts that Valuev could even begin to apply that strategy,.. against Holyfield,.. he looked like a deteriorated version of the fighter who gave Chagaev a good run,.. even though it was a losing effort... the problem with Valuev is that he can't hit a fighter with the slightest amount of lateral movement,.. it takes him so long get set,.. his opponent is halfway across the ring before he even realizes he's gone,.. he moves his feet like he has lead diving boots on,.. and his hooks log like a swinging around on a hoist,.. I'd be amazed if the ultra cautious Haye take much punishment at all.... on the other hand Haye says he talks trash to get the other guy mad,.. then he says,.." I was just playin",.. if you are going to insult a guy,.. just insult him.. don't tell the world about your strategy,...Valuev is big,..and not too skillful at all,.. but he's not stupid,.. give me Haye for the win by UD...
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 09:14:04 PM
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brownsugar:
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"his hooks look like logs swinging around on a hoist"
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 09:16:05 PM
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mortcola:
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Guys - Valuev is no world-beater - but he has adequate hand speed, decent accuracy, and his skill set is no worse than lots of heavyweight "contenders" of the last few decades. Did you see how crude Monte Barrett was - even in his better outings? How easy to hit and hurt, how much he flailed his punches? And he hurt Haye and hit him frequently. Chagaev is a relatively quick and two-handed, decent puncher, a southpaw at that, and he had trouble doing anything against Valuev. COnsider that as "quick" as Haye is, he's a lunger with no more than a rudimentary sense of how to get inside on a guy his own size, much less a foot taller - except by winging bombs. Valuev will be unlikely to get hit repeatedly, and should have little problem keeping Haye off, making him lunge with his chin up. Valuev isn't a banger, but Haye has a pretty unreliable chin, so look for something interesting. Assuming, of course, that Valuev decides to throw some punches this time around.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 10:20:54 PM
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Isaiah:
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Valuev sure looks older then what he is, but I'm not about to go off and start insulting the man. He's done well for himself and it'd be nice if David Haye would get his big mouth shutup, but I'm not counting on it.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 04:10:14 AM
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brownsugar:
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interesting comments mortcola,.. Valuev's fight with Chagaev was very taxing on him,.. because Chagaev went straight up the middle,.. getting blungeoned on his way in by slow but heavy punches,.. Chagaev won,.. but took a lot of punishment to do so,.. if he had better foot movement I thought he could have made the job much easier on himself,.. I still think it's Valuev's best fight even though he lost,.. he made Chagaev pay for the victory,.. but since then,.. Valuev hasn't showed much at all... and when guys that big start fading,... the deterioration process is usually irreversable,... could be wrong,.. but I don't even see Haye getting hit in this fight,... I've paid for a lot of PPV in my time,.. even paid for a couple of stinker that Roy Jones fought in (against Tito and JC),.. but I'm gonna pass on this one and rely on the astute readers of the TSS to provide the color commentary... pc out....
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 11:48:47 AM
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mortcola@brownsugar:
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Well, bsugar, you can count on color commentary here from the readers. And Borges will make it colorful, cartoon colors. Interesting about the way big guys age. Hadn't really thought about it that way. I was always worried about Valuev because of heart issues guys that size often have, but I guess the docs in Germany and elsewhere have done their homework. I wonder whether he's looked bad since then because he is, as some say, not really that into fighting as much as capitalizing on his size to make a buck, and he's getting sick of it, or scared that he's on borrowed time before he gets hurt. Or, he's one of those on-and-off fighters, so the viewer doesn't know what he's getting from fight to fight. I saw it more as attitude than inability, say, in the Holyfield fight. But we'll see. Meantime, you know Haye will do entertaining things whether he stinks or conquers. But as athletic as he is, he gets CLOCKED by shots a boxer with a rudimentary defense would at least block with the gloves. Barrett was closing his eyes and windmilling his arms when he wasn't falling down, and he still rocked Haye. But....we'll see. I don't think I'm going to pay for it. Its literally that or buy baby a new pair of shoes. At least TSS is free.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 12:58:50 PM
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Jason:
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Brownsugar and Mortcola, you can usually pick up an internet feed on justin.tv. Just an FYI. That's where I'll check it out (not sure it's even being offered on PPV in the States). I still haven't warmed to watching fights on the computer, but it beats shelling out the dough for a potential stinker (and ALWAYS a stinker of an undercard). That's an excellent point about Valuev and his possible deterioration due to his size. Usually guys that are 7'+ rarely live long lives. In fact, they barely crack 40 in many cases. Valuev definitely looked terrible against Holyfield. Perhaps it was just an aberration, a bad night, or in part due to Holyfield's lack of aggression as well. I'd love to see Valuev let his hands go. He has a great chin (I don't believe he's ever been down nor ever really buzzed) and he has no problem going 12 rounds. I hope he's properly motivated for this one and takes Haye out.
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 01:54:43 PM
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brownsugar@Jason:
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thanks man,... that's exactly what I needed to hear...
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:45:25 PM
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brownsugar@mortcola:
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I feel you on that one,.. he did seem way too tentative against Holyfield,.. was it out of pity or is he that bad,... your guess is good as mine....
Friday Nov 6, 2009 04:48:54 PM
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The Lone Star State Beckons Boxing Back
9/3/10, Dallas, Texas --- "WELCOME TO TEXAS" --- Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones (ctr) welcomes superstar Manny Pacquiao (L) and three-time world champion Antonio Margarito (R) to Cowboy Stadium at the press conference Friday for their upcoming mega fight on November 13 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington,Texas. Pacquiao vs Margarito is promoted by Top Rank in association with MP Promotions and Cowboys Stadium. This telecast will be available live on HBO Pay Per View.
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