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Sunday Nov 1, 2009

You thought maybe Manny, or Cotto, or Mosley would be the first man to take Floyd down? Nah. RA the Rugged Man did the deed. It was a KO, clean and mean.

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Floyd Mayweather Finally Loses

By Frank Lotierzo



40-0. A perfect track record of big-buy pay per views. Flawless manipulation of the public, the media, and damn near everyone else he’s ever encountered.
 
And then Floyd Mayweather managed to get taken down by a New York emcee named R.A. the Rugged Man, who outthought, outmaneuvered, and outslugged Money from the opening bell until it was all over. If I’d been Floyd’s cornerman, I’d have pulled the plug after the first few rounds.  There’s no way he should have taken that kind of beating. 
 
Mayweather was a surprise phone-in guest of the R.A, the Rugged Man’s Sirius Eminem’s Shade 45 Show. After a moment of feeling each other out, exchanging pleasantries, the normally cautious Mayweather walked right into a sucker punch that nailed him squarely on the chin, a mistake he's seldom made in the ring as a fighter.
 
“So Floyd, when you gonna fight somebody your own size in the top two?”
 
Maybe like a lot of fighters who get caught cold, Mayweather never recovered from the punch he didn’t see. Not to mention R.A. was Floyd's equal when it came to speed and thinking on your feet.  
 
As it turned out, R.A. came armed with information - lots of it. This wasn’t some boxing-ignorant radio personality trying to drum up a little controversy. His criticism was pointed and entirely valid. Everything he threw at Mayweather is what many fight aficionados have thought about saying to him had they been presented the opportunity to. Mayweather’s response revealed a lot about how he thinks, how surprisingly easy it is to unsettle him, and the lengths he’ll go to in order to justify why he’s been avoiding certain fighters.
 
Here’s how he answered the question above.
 
“It’s not up to me.  Boxing don’t work like that.”  This comes from a guy who is always quick to point out that nobody tells him what to do, that he fights who, when, and where he wants, and that he’s not stuck in service to any promoter.
 
After explaining how Bob Arum doesn’t want either Miguel Angel Cotto or Manny Pacquiao to fight him, Floyd begins bragging about his decision win over Carlos Baldomir. Could anyone envision Shane Mosley or Miguel Cotto trying to suggest how they're greater than Sugar Ray Robinson by highlighting they beat Carlos Baldomir?  
 
“Oh man, Baldomir with eleven losses? How about this: why didn’t you fight Margarito when you were offered eight million dollars?”
 
And the guy who compared himself favorably to Sugar Ray Robinson begins hemming and hawing, arguing with a man he doesn’t know in an attempt to justify himself.  He begins lying.
 
“Why would I fight Margarito for eight million when I could get twelve million fighting for the title?”
 
“Who’d you get twelve million for fighting?  I don’t believe you.”
 
R.A. the Rugged Man is right about that. It wasn’t that he was simply trying to trash Mayweather. As a boxing fan, he was willing —even eager— to concede that Floyd was a great fighter. That was his point: he felt that Mayweather was squandering his legacy.
 
Floyd tries to suggest that neither Cotto nor Pacquiao is calling him out, but the Rugged Man cuts him off by saying that everybody wants to fight him. He mentions Shane Mosley, then adds that Paul Williams would “smack your ass.”
 
Floyd’s response is that people are “praying for his downfall.”
 
No dice. The Rugged Man points out that he was a big fan of Floyd’s. He cites the Diego Corrales fight as an example of what Mayweather could be at his best.
 
Things go downhill. Mayweather boasts about the miracle of coming back from a two year layoff. It’s pointed out that the layoff wasn't two years and was against a 36 year old featherweight.  Floyd screams, “I’m in my 30s!”
 
He talks about Mosley’s past steroid use as a reason for not fighting him.  At every turn, he shows weakness.
 
I’d always assumed that Floyd Mayweather talked the way he did because he’s a businessman first and foremost. And I thought that, at some level, he really believed he was the great fighter he presented himself to be.  Coming from a fighting family and having lived his entire life in a boxing ring, I figured that he was completely secure about fighting anyone, and that it didn’t bother him when detractors challenged him on his legacy.
 
I was wrong. Floyd Mayweather knows he’s ducking Mosley, Williams, Margarito, and Cotto.  It’s not about money.  He wants money, but he’s heard the whispers and he’s worried that, once defeated, he will have irreparably tarnished his reputation.  He’s made his name on being undefeated, and he’ll do anything necessary to stay undefeated, even if it includes embarrassing himself.
 
Floyd Mayweather has shown very few exploitable weaknesses in the ring.  He’s fought a lot of good fighters, and he’s remained unbeaten.  But he got knocked out by a radio deejay.  And, in allowing himself to enter into a desperate argument in public, he showed a character chink in his armor that any future opponent may be able to take advantage of. 

No other all-time great had to beg for accolades like Mayweather has. Can you imagine Roberto  Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, or Bernard Hopkins arguing with a radio deejay about their legacy and all-time great status?

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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MPJ:  Can't argue with any of that. It was classic stuff, the guy completely exposed Mayweather.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:28:43 AM
Alokwe:  And you had to write an article about that?! Must be a slow news day at thesweetscience towers. I heard the interview, it's on youtube, but I wasn't expecting an entire article (from you of all people) to be written and published here about it. Mayweather really does have some pull....for real.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:30:57 AM
GOAT:  F-Lo is pimping PBF's name to write articles. Is this the best you can do? Writing an article about PBF and a radio personality when this month has some of the most intriging fights in a while happening (Pac/Cotto, Dawson/Johnson, Ward/Kessler)? Come on man! This article is about PBF and a radio personality! By the way, PBF has only fought two guys SMALLER than him (Hatton and Marquez) and a #1 or2 ranked fighter today can very well be a shot limited fighter in a few months (How does Pavliks wins against Taylor look now). If you are a boxing writer, write about boxing and leave this TMZ stuff for those type of people.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:36:48 AM
Alokwe:  GOAT, you even forgot to mention Haye/Valuev. This is easily the most exciting month in all of the year with regards to matchups and we are being fed this? Weak!!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:56:38 AM
thegreatestofalltime:  This article needed to be written. I'm a Mayweather fan and I can no longer defend him because people like the Rugged man is right. Mayweather is ducking fighters in his own weight class. I have always said that he is the golden opportunity to be in the top 5 greatest of all time list, but he won't fight the best fighters in his weight division while they are in his prime. Could you imagine Muhammad Ali ducking Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, and Ron Lyle? Some of these fighters, he didn't have to fight. And that is why he is considered the greatest of all time. Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali is 1a and 1b. Floyd Mayweather had a chance to fight Antonio Margarito, an undefeated Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams and has a chance to fight Sugar Shane Mosley, Pacquaio, and Joshua Clottey. These are the type of names that will shoot Mayweather's legacy toward Sugar Ray Robinson's level if he would fight and convincingly beat all of them. So, why won't he do it? Because he knows that all of these fighters have a chance to put an "L" in his record. He would be paid handsomely if he fought any of these guys. he would have 1 million + buys with these fighters except Clottey. As a Mayweather fan, I agree. He is ruining his legacy. It's to the point to where I want to boycott watching him again. He is either going to fight a top welterweight or Pacquiao or I won't be watching.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:56:45 AM
GOAT @ thgreatestofalltime:  The mistake you and others are making is having a holistic view a PBF's career when he is still fighting. We have to wait until he is truly retired and then look at his oponents and when he fought them and who won. Ali didn't fight the guys you mentioned until AFTER his comeback! What if Ali never fought after he was suspended, would he still be great? He didn't loose or gain skills so we can say he was great from the begining. Lets wait until next year this time and we will have a more accurate picture of PBF. I believe he will fight Pac/Cotto winner and Shane by this time next year.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:28:10 AM
GOAT:  Also ducking means that a fighter is offered his desired financial amount for a fight and turns that fight down anyway. It's not ducking to fight fighter "A" for 15 mil instead of fighting fighter "B" for 5 mil, it's a smart BUSINESS move. If anyone who reads this was PBF or his manager, you all would advice him to wait for the PAC/Cotto winner before choosing his next oponent. If it's Pac, the fight might be the highest grossing fight of all time, and if it's Cotto, it will be one of the biggest fights in the past few years and generate 50 to 80 million dollars. Why not wait for that.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:33:04 AM
GOAT:  Did anyone see Muhammad and Larry? Who wants to end up like either one of those guys. People talk about how great Ali was but we ALL CRINGE when we see him trying to talk and walk! We use our sports stars for our benefits and when they are retired broke and brain dead, we move on to someone else and forget about our former boxing heroes! BOXING IS A BUSINESS and the business says to make as much as you can without suffering damage. The GOAT (GRAETEST OF ALL TIME) is the one who retires with all his money and all of his mental faculties.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:36:34 AM
Anony @ Alokwe @ GOAT:  YES, THIS ARTICLE NEEDED TO BE WRITTEN. It shows the REAL legacy Floyd Mayweather is leaving behind. Even a DJ knows the RESPECT he deserves. I mean, I'm sure no Radio Host will never attempt to question somebody like Pacquiao or Cotto or Hopkins, etc. in their Legacy because everybody knows how hard they have worked for it, just to avoid exactly what's happening to Floyd ---- doubts about his GREATNESS. That's what this article shows, the lack of GREATNESS in Floyd Mayweather, Jr. aka "Scareweather" because he is exactly that, like a weather reporter scanning the landscape trying to score money with the less risk possible and showing nothing to the real fans. He just can't fool the fans. We will NOT remember him when he finally retires, The chicken boxer has been exposed.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:43:59 AM
ali:  When Mayweather say's it's not up to me he saying the money ain't right that's why the fights ain't being made. Second he's not ducking Mosley I never heard him calling out Mayweather until he became the cash cow before that his tooth was hurting. F**ck that he got to WAIT there is bigger fights out there with Cotto & Pac so don't get mad you had a couple of chances to fight Mayweather and you didn't.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:55:41 AM
Matthew:  All I can say is, buy that man a beer! I thought Brian Kenny did a good job of challenging Mayweather over the summer, but R.A. was phenomenal. You can tell that this guy is a knowledgeable fight fan, because he said what many of us hardcore fight fans have been saying for years. I couldn't believe how quickly Floyd lost his composure, and how he clung to faulty logic in order to justify ducking the top fighters. Floyd had no answers and really made himself look foolish. The part where he said boxing would cease if he retired was especially entertaining. I'm glad people are finally seeing through Floyd's facade.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:57:09 AM
kountedout:  i agree with GOAT, you have to wait until the end of floyds career and look at his opponents when he fought them and who won. lets talk ducking fighters for a second, do they still say sugar ray leonard is one of the greatest and he never fought aaron pryor who always wanted to fight him. oscar delahoya was given greatness before his career ended and he was never a great fighter, he was just an ordinary fighter that was marketed well. is hopkins considered great and he never fought james toney, mike mccallum at middleweight. his natural weight. everyone still called mike tyson great even though he ducked lennox lewis by paying him step aside money not to fight him. the only fighter that floyd never asked to fight was p williams and margarito. he have asked to fight cotto,oscar and mosley when they were at there prime and didnt ask for a catchweigh so how is that considered ducking. mosley had a contract to fight ivan robinson at lightweight tore up the contract and went to another division and didnt fight kostya tszyu. so why didnt shane or oscar fight tszyu when he was in his prime. who is ducking.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:00:05 AM
Alokwe:  If I had to have Ali's career and all the plaudits he gets these days only to end up like he is then I'll pass. Everyday and twice on Sundays. As for not remembering Floyd when he retires? Is that a joke? Much lesser fighters are still remembered several years after they last laced 'em up and you are here saying this? Please. I'm totally indifferent Floyd, this is the first time I'm even posting about him but he seems to have a significant grip on the consciouness of a lot of people, including writers such as this one, up to the point where his every move is scrutinised endlessly........I just don't get the need to write out a full blown article about some dj getting the better of him on a radio call-in. This is weak, sorry but that's my opinion....If you guys really do not care about him then you wouldn't follow his every move in this way.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:01:03 AM
dEEPWATER:  mAYWEATHER IS A GREAT BOXER.mAYWEATEHR IS NOT AN ALL-TIME GREAT FIGHTER THOUGH.NOT YET AT LEAST.LOL
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:03:00 AM
DEEPWATER:  this interview was needed.Its right on the money.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:11:53 AM
Anony:  WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FLOYD MAYWEATHER AND YONNHY PEREZ ARTICLES??? Yonnhy surely gets the most respect by fans. That's how you build a legacy. I don't understand why it so hard for Mayweather fans to understand this. Your guy is scare of real challenges. Live with it.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:21:22 AM
GOAT:  The point everyone is missing is that EVERY fighter "ducks" someone and EVERY fighter "handpicks" their oponents. If fighters didn't handpick their oponents, you wouldn't need managers and promoters. This is not Basketball or Baseball when you play everyone. Don't College teams "handpick" oponents? Florida is not playing everyone in the top 10. Shane says PBF and Pac is ducking him out one side of his face while resfusing to fight Clottey and PW on the other side of his face. How can you say people are ducking you from a crouched ducking position. EVERY fighter "ducks" other fighter if the fight doesn't make $ense.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:22:59 AM
GOAT @ Annoy:  The difference is Yonnhy got beat up for peanuts! Skill wise PBF is one of the GOATs and he demands higher paydays than evryone besides Oscar. Two years from now no-one will remeber Yonnhy but we will always remember the Pretty Boy.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:25:10 AM
GOAT @ Annoy:  Also you said Yonnhy gets respect by fans, are you serious! I am a boxing fan and this was the first time I saw him fight and now he gets respect? How can you say Yonnhy gets the most respect out of fans when he is fighting on Showtime as an oponent. Yonnhy wasn't the draw for that fight. He will never see the main event of a major fight. PBF fights generates millions of viewers and Jonnhy generates a few thousand on Showtime.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:28:08 AM
kountedout:  Yhonny spent most of his fights fighting in Ontario, california and at the quiet cannon in montebello, ca so how can you say yhonny gets respect from fans. 90% of boxing fans had never seen or heard of yhonny. is pacquiao ducking mosley, did he duck nate campbell. what if floyd would have ask oscar to fight him at 147 and wear 8oz gloves? these guys would have said floyd. pwilliams said he can make 147. would pacquiao fight williams? cotto is the only fighter out there that will fight anyone anytime win or lose and its not about the money with him. he has proven that. i have all respect for cotto
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:42:13 AM
The Good Doctor@Goat:  I appreciate what you are saying and respect your love for Floyd. I am a believer kinda like RA said in the interview that Floyd is incredibly gifted. However, viewing Floyd holistically is not the issue here. The issue is what has Floyd done to this point and right now its not alot. Unlike alot of people, I give him some credit for beating Corrales, who was a good fighter, and I will even give him credit for beating Marquez as Marquez is probably the best mid fight adjuster of recent times and he had no answer for Floyd. However Floyd's resume is littered with small, unskilled people in a time of tremendous talent. His total career is not the issue, it is his current resume. No Cotto, Pac, Williams, Margarito, Mosely or even Berto, Clottey, Quintana, or Collazo. His resume is empty and the problem is that he has had ample opportunity to change that. I am not one that believes too much in ducking
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:51:46 AM
The Good Doctor@Goat:  (continuation)because in todays boxing world fights can be difficult to make because of the layers of red tape. I don't think Floyd is ducking anyone because he views this as a business. I have no problem with that, however if that is the way he is going to approach it he and his fans must realize that he will never be considered a great fighter. When he changes that, views will change but until then Floyd is not more than a highly skilled, undefeated mystery.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:55:36 AM
Anony - quoting R.A. the Rugged Man:  "You have so much talent and ability, you can be one of the greatest but YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT!!!!" - R.A. to Floyd Mayweather, Jr. - oucchhh!!! That got to hurt!!!!!. Now Floyd got some payed friends like Alokwe (I believe it is his first time here) trying to help him.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:58:23 AM
dumna:  haha...FLOYD FEAR RA THE RUGGED MAN (A REAL EMCEE)
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:01:36 AM
GOAT @ The Good Doctor:  I respect and appreciate your words. You seem to be well versed in boxing and in life because you articulated your words very well. That being said, I disagree with your assessment. PBF has only fought TWO smaller fighters in 40 fights, compare that to Oscar, B-hop, Shane, etc and it's less or at least similar. Second, you can only fight who's there when you are there, if you go on youtube and look up PBF, you will see interviews where PBF calls out Shane, Cotto, Tsyzu, Oscar, etc Back then these fights wasn't made for a few reasons (His name was not big enought for Shane and Oscar back then, Bob Arum said no to a Cotto fight, and Tszyu turned him down) There is also tape of him speaking of fighting Cassmayor, and Freitas. When PBF moved UP to weltereight, he fought I believe Brussels, and Mitchell to prepare for Zab. Zab was the Ring magazine champ when the fight was proposed. After Zab lost to Baldo PBF said he didn't want to fight Baldo because it would be a boring fight and no-one wanted to se it. He fought him anyway because of pressure form the boxing public. After that he said he was going to retire. That was only three fights at welter. He fought Oscar(who wouldn't) for money and the he fought Hatton(who wouldn't) for money and retired. He wasn't a welter long enough to fight the "top" welters. Give PBF about a year and he will fight Pac/Cotto winner and Shane. If he beats Pac/Cotto winner, Shane, Berto, and Maybe a clotteey/PW/or Marg, will he receive credits? Probably not because some people hate him regargless of what he does.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:04:37 AM
ROOTS:  FLOYD SHOULD NEVER SEEK RECOGNITION OR SUPPORT FROM THESE WHITE FANS.IF YOU JUST REMEMBER BACK AS FAR AS THE MOSELEY-MARGOCHEATA FIGHT,THEY ALL WERE TALKING CRAP ABOUT MOSELEY,NOW THEY ARE USING MOSELY TO TO CRITICIZE FLOYD.IT WAS THE SAME THING WHEN WILLIAMS DEFEATED THE BIGGEST CHEAT EVER IN BOXING(MARGOCHEATA).IT IS HILARIOUS WHEN THEY USE A RAPPER TO CRITICIZE FLOYD.THESE PEOPLE DON´T EVEN LIKE RAPPERS OR RAP MUSIC.THYE FACT REMAINS MARQUEZ WAS THE ONLY FIGHTER WHO FLOYD EVER FOUGHT WAS SMALLER THAN FLOYD.FROM JACK JOHNSON THROUGH TO MODERN DAY GREATS LIKE JONES,HOPKINS ,FLOYD ETC.THESE CRAPPY PEOPLE SIT ON THE SIDE LINE WAITING TO CRITICIZE.THEY MOST LIKELY PAID THAT CRACKDEALER TO TALK HIS CRAP.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:10:15 AM
Anony @ GOAT:  BELIEVE ME ---- I PREFER TO WATCH ANY YOHNNY PEREZ IN THE WORLD PLAYING IN SHOWTIME BEFORE PAYING FOR A MAYWEATHER PPV ------ Come on dude, did you watch Agbeko and him going at it on saturday????? Did you feel like "wow, this got to be candidate for fight of the year for sure!!!!!!".... well... that's how real boxers with COJONES build a legacy. I don't need to repeat myself again, R.A. did a perfect job and made the case for every real boxing fan. If you want to talk about the business of boxing, go talk to bob arum or Scaheffer. We pay to get entertained not to watch a businessman playing his safest bet with our money. HE IS A SCARE CHICKEN!!!! Props to R.A.!!!!!!!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:15:59 AM
Frank Z tired of floyd's BS:  for those of you saying that we gotta wait till floyd's career is over before we judge, i say that's fair.... if floyd would wait until the end of his career to start declaring he's the GOAT. he was sayign that stuff years ago, and if you're gonna say that, people are not gonna see you with the same expectations as anyone else. sure everyone handpicks, but does floyd want to be like everyone? even sugar ray robinson did duck a charley burley yes, but his 202 fights more than make up for that, even by the time he was 30 his 130 plus fights more than made up for that. what does floyd have on his resume that says "well he didnt' fight this that and the third but he DID fight this that and the 6th?" yes the jury is still out on floyd's career, and i am not gonna bury him as a possibility of the greatest of this generation cuase he DOES still have at least 4 fights left to prove himself, but now is not the time to sit back, he sounds like he's not even fielding offers from mosley or anyone else calling him out. which way is it floyd? legacy doesn't pay bills no, but in your case the toughest fights you have will also be the richest fights. by this point if any of the experts can give logical reasons a potential opponent can beat you, people will flock to see it, whether they are a hater of you or not. what need is there to disrespect mosley and try to tarnish his image as a juicer if he's a potential opponent? why imply that pacquiao takes drugs if he's a potential opponent? why imply that williams can't fight casue quintana beat him (the fight that LTP avenged with a 1st round KO) when he's a potential opponent? what does this make people think? it makes people think that these people aren't potential opponents and that you are what the critics call you, which is a ducker. how is that being smart with your future investments?
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:24:09 AM
EXAMINERAUTHOR:  PBF is scared of the Pacman, plain and simple. He might get KOed Hattonwise.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:39:20 AM
Bigkat:  I thought this article was right on. There is absolutely no doubt that Floyd has ducked certain opponents, and been very selective in his choices of who to fight. He is certainly one of the greatest boxers, but he's yet to prove how great. He needs to stop dodging the best and brightest in the welterweight division. He needs to take on the top comers. It's enough that his fights are so boring of late. Little Floyd: stop making excuses and take on the top welterweights. We're all waiting.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:53:14 AM
nicholsjet:  What's his name again?..... R.A. The Rugged Man.... I'm gonna remember your name, man...
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:55:37 AM
GOAT @ Annoy:  No that wasn't a fight of the year candidate to me. That was to VERY LIMITED fighter trying to box. I can see that in the gym I go to. I like skills. That fight wasn't very skillful. If either of those guys fight a boxer with more skills then you will see how limited they are. That's not exciting!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:55:47 AM
dr3r42:  Where was there "pressure from the boxing public for Mayweather to fight Baldamir ?" There was no demand for that farce; the fight only drew 325,000 PPV buys (I believe the lowest of Mayweather's career), and it got smoked in the ratings by Showtimes Liakovich-Briggs fight the same day. Mayweather was a 6:1 favorite over Baldimir, who had a record of 43-9-6, with a whopping 13 KO's in 58 fights. Baldimir was given little or no chance by anyone (that's why you had 6:1 odds) and there was no interest. Most people trashed Mayweather for avoiding Margarito in order to fight Baldimir
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:56:35 AM
BSN:  Yes PBF career is not yet done... and so his legacy cannot be judged just yet... but why is he himself already declaring he's the greatest ?? Is it because he will be beating up mosely/cotto/williams/et al in his future fights ? Or just because of his resume and past performances ? Definitely, it must be the latter right ? But as RA said in the interview, just look at PBF's resume, you PBF fans think that resume is already justifying his self-declaration of greatness,... you be the judge!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:06:34 AM
eric32:  hahahaha... very nice article man.... mayweather cant defend himself bcuz he knows deep inside himself that his ducking many fighters... he values most his undefeated record rather than enhancing his legacy.. mayweather is at his best when he was at lightweight... but at WW his nothing special...
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:19:36 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @dr3r42, may i add that it only drew 9k fans at the MGM that seats over 16k seats. That was a ridiculous choice of opponent in Mayweather's part. I know Manny choosing D. Diaz was not the great choice also but it wasn't as bad as choosing Baldomir. Diaz had a better track record and was the man who beat the man. Very great article F-Lo, Mayweather needs to hear all shouts that his career ain't going nowhere until he chooses the right opponents. I'm just laughing at all these Mayweather backers who don't have anymore excuses left.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Matthew:  I've grown tired of people saying that Ray Leonard ducked Aaron Pryor. First of all, they didn't campaign in the same weight class, so Leonard didn't duck him. Second, Leonard actually had signed contracts to fight both Pryor and Arguello before he retired due to the detached retina in '82 (this is discussed by Leonard in the retirement piece he authored in Sports Illustrated in November of '82). Pryor talked a lot of smack about getting a fight with Leonard, even going so far as to call him out at one of his press conferences. It's too bad they never fought; I believe Leonard had the size and skill to beat Pryor down and stop him in the later rounds.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:24:15 AM
LC :  We already established Mayweather is a FRAUD, tarnished by his scared mentality underlying PTSD, if and when, he loses. Undefeated does not mean "diddly" if Floyd keep fighting GIRLS....He cannot escape from his distractors that we boxing fans deserved better opponents against him, like Shane, Cotto, or Margo. It's not his downfall we are praising for, is the fact he needs to show he gots hearts and will to overcome adversity against a dangerous fighter that he may not be equal to in size, heart, will, determination, and does big EGO/Money behind their motives. He gets much love and respect from everyone if he does this, and that includes me.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:34:46 AM
TheTruth:  Skillwise Floyd is one of the BEST fighters I have EVER seen in my life...but in ANY COMPETITIVE field, you have to "prove" yourself by facing the best competiton available! I know it's a "Business" but c'mon you can't call yourself the G.O.A.T. and then make EXCUSES about NOT fighting another guy...Even though Shane has 6 losses, pushing 40, and may be a Steriod User, he is a Great fighter that challenge the unbeaten Pug... He's talks about Shane not being able to draw flies to shit, but if the headline reads : MONEY MAY VS SUGAR SHANE...People are going to BUY it with NO hesistation...Look @ the past greats..one thing remains constant...THE BEST FOUGHT THE BEST! With that being said, Floyd is STILL my favorite fighter, but If he doesn't fight the Pacman-Cotto Winner, Shane, or P-Will NEXT, then I will NO Longer support Floyd and I will say that he OFFICIALLY retired after the 2nD Castillo fight! It actually hurts as a TRUE FAN (NOT FAN BOY) b/c in some ways he is tarnishing his legacy, as there are some GREAT FIGHTS to be made in his OWN division, but he wants to pick on 130 pounders and 15 fight prospects! That's not what a self proclaimed G.O.A.T. would do!! I realized a LONG time ago, not to take what comes out of his mouth seriously...this man said (check yahoo' video...around 1/07...right before superbowl with Colts v Bears) he said... "He was better than Ray Leonard b/c he let a lightweight (Duran...prob the BEST 135lb ever) beat him" he was better than Ray robinson b/c "he has 12 losses"...Better than Ali b/c "he let a man with -- wins (spinks) beat him"...Floyd is a insecure, egotisitical maniac...but that's his PERSONAL life, I repsect the man for his in ring abilites...but if he's not matching his skills amongst the best....Count me out!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:53:10 AM
dr3r42:  Mathew: I am not sure where the "Leonard ducked Pryor" came from. When Pryor won the Jr. Welterweight title from Cervantes on August 2, 1980 (the same day Hearns KO'ed Cuavas), Ray Leonard didn't even have a title, he lost it to Duran a few months earlier. I guess they believe that Leonard should have fought Pryor in a non-title fight than win his title back from Duran ? In 1981, the mega fight on everyone's mind was Leonard-Hearns. Pryor was fighting fights that wern't even televised on free TV, let alone Closed Circut. I guess he should have fought Pryor instead of Hearns in 1981. Then, after he beat Hearns in September 1981, he took a few months off , I mean he sort of deserved a break after fighting Beneitez, Duran (2X), Kahlule, and Hearns within a two year span- those guys had a career record of about 170-1-1, when they lost to Leonard. Then after a tune up fight in early 1982, Leonard had surgery for a detached retina- I guess he was supposed to postpone his surgery in order to fight Pryor. Then he retired in December 1982. Of course Pryor tried to get a title fight with Leonard, but so did everyone else. After the Hearns fight, the big buildup was for Leonard to fight Hagler- NOT Pryor. In fact Leonard had Hagler at his big announcement in December 1982, fueling speculation that Leonard was either going to retire or announce that he was going to fight Hagler. Pryor's first big money fight was Arguello in Novemeber of that year. But Hagler-Leonard was the mega fight back then.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:54:40 AM
Jason :  Look Margarito is irrelevent thanks to Moseley and the "glove" controversy. Cotto was beaten twice, first by Margarito who cheated and then by Clottey ok. Cotto beat Mosley ok. Pac Man barely beat Marquez or lost. Mayweather whipped Marquez. He will fight the winner of Pac man-Cotto. And we will see who the man is ok. All this talking is unnecissary. And none of these guys wanna see Paul Williams. Can you blame them?. Mayweather is pimpin the boxing system and the system can't take it. So they throw rocks at his pride. They can never do him like past black champions(Ali). He knows the game. I'd advise him to laugh at his haters. He knows what he has to do. I believe he will defeat Pac, Mosiey and maybe some up and coming youngsters and make a lot of $ in the process. 2 words - Money's Defense...
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:03:30 AM
Matthew:  @dr. All of that is correct and astute analysis. I only brought it up because there was a brief mention of it in another post on this thread, and because I've heard other people say it over the years. Just wanted to set the record straight.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:13:57 AM
The Good Doctor@Goat:  Love good banter. I see your arguement and honestly I agree with most of it but here is where the dicotomy comes in. He can't claim to be a great fighter with that resume. Lets be real, alot of those guys you name were belt holders but since about 1990 a belt holder does not mean great fighter. In addition, Floyd told Margarito in front of tons of people he'd fight Margarito but then backed out. He also backed out, ducked or whatever people want to call it of fights with Shane and PW. Like I said earlier though, that doesn't mean squat to me. In addition, he very easily could have waited two days and signed a fight with the Pac/Hatton winner which Arum has quoted as saying he would have considered but he chose to take on a lightweight 20lbs overweight. Even if he didn't want to deal with Arum, he could have come back to a respectable "tune up" with Berto or Clottey. In addition, there is nothing holding back a Shane, PBF fight now and you have to admit in the interview the best reason he had for that was that Shane did steroids 3 years ago sounds really lame along with the completely unsubstantiated accusation of Pac. Now as for your arguement that he won't get credit for beating Pac, Cotto, PW, Clottey or Shane is a complete farce. If he beats one of those guys and beats them soundly, he is instantly a top 10 welter of the modern era. Anyone that tells you different is a complete idiot. But as for right now, his resume reads not much better than Cotto's which aint but but it is not GOAT status and like you said incomplete. If Cotto beats Pac, he is entering some HOF potential air while as if Floyd beats one of the aformentioned he solidifies his legacy.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:20:31 AM
Jason :  Goat is smart. People need to look at history. Boxers risk their lives in the ring and take a lot of punishment for the benefit of our entertainment as well as make a considerable amount of USDA$ for a gang of businessmen who don't have to step in the ring,fight or train. So boxers had to evolve into shot callers to avoid exploitation. Floyd is an intelligent pure boxer/promoter. He doesn't work for GoldenBoy promotions. So when you see boxing taking shots at this guy, understand the real reasons why. At the end of the day a MAN has to do what is best for he and his family, not joe blow or wall street or some promoter. Ya dig. I doubt "Money" came back to boxing not to take some cats out. He said he wants his PFP title back and theres only 1 way to do that since yall say Pac man is the new PFP king. Good FIGHT!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:23:07 AM
The Good Doctor@Goat:  And by the way, I am not a Floyd hater. I think he has the skill to be one of the best fighters between 125-147 ever. Whether he challenges that skill is another story. Lastly, if you check the tape, Floyd has by in large fought shorter (in height and reach) fighters. Floyd is 5"8 and a half with a 72" reach. Contrary to popular belief, Floyd is not a small WW
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:27:38 AM
peplz:  R. A. the Rugged Man didn't even have his facts straight so I don't see how he beat anybody. Shane Moseley been ducking Mayweather for years and now we're supposed to believe that Floyd is some how afraid of him. I've lost all respect for Shane. He'll say whatever to try to get what he wants. Antonio Margarito was a nobody and had 3 losses on his record already at the time of the Baldomir fight. Judah and Mayweather had a scheduled fight that seemed to be somewhat tarnished by the fact that Judah had lost his title to Baldomir. Baldomir had the belt that Mayweather would've been fighting for if Judah hadn't have lost it. He got payed much more money to fight Baldomir than he was offered to fight Margacheato. Ifs funny how yal haters have to lie to try make Mayweather look bad. Shane Mosley doesn't want to fight Paul Williams. But he does want to fight little Pacquiao. He's critisizing Mayweather for fighting Marquez but then in the same breath gets on his knees and grovels for a chance to fight Pacquiao. Last time I checked Pacquiao was a naturally smaller man than Marquez is. You guys know nothing about history or legacy. People remember you for what you did do not what you didn't do. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is writing history. You think Shane Moseley will be remembered more because Mayweather didn't fight him. I guess Paul Williams will go down in the hall of fame as "the guy that no one half his size wanted to fight". All these guys want to fight Mayweather because he is the biggest name in boxing and to beat him would make the most money and the most history. Tell me that this guy isn't going to be remembered. Please.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:34:36 AM
mortcola:  Floyd is an incredibly skilled fighter. He just has not, by the standards of all the greats, sought out or accepted fights against the best fighters of his weight division. Not since a few good ones at lightweight. Its pretty obvious. Let him take matches the way a prime Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Ali, Frazier, et al, took matches - even taking into account the easier defenses - and he'll have earned his historic props for being an all-time-great. Until then, he's just not a warrior. Business AND hunger to overcome all challenges. Without both, you just can't put him up there with the greats. Deeds, not words. Triumph over adversity, not just wins.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:38:05 AM
erwin:  he claimed to be the greatest and the best but doesn't want to fight all the best in his weight class or the best in the higher class! just so many excuses! BE MAN ENOUGH FLOYD! there's so many good fighters in your weight division. that's one thing i like about pacquiao, he challenge the from every division starting from flyweight! oscar? nobody told anyone that he was past his prime before he fought pacquaio..... just full of excuses!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:39:13 AM
jobz:  im a fan of PBF"S defensive skills.. probably one of the best defenses of all time. But the way he operates is just disgusting. Minimum risk and maximum reward.. that's how floyd thinks. he was overweight by 2 pounds in his last fight. he was willing to pay $600,000 to further his already great physical advantages over marquez!! Wow.. and he didnt want hbo to know his weight before he stepped in the ring because critics would demolish him because of outweighing marquez by a hundred pounds!! he shouldn't even have taken the marquez fight.. a fight with mosley would have made him more money than the marquez fight.. that im sure of. Hope floyd get's to test his tremendous skills against the best welters. im sure he has amassed enough money to maintain his lifestyle until he's like 70 years old. so i hope he wouldn't price himself out in future megafights like with pac or cotto or mosley. HE SHOULD STOP THINKING ABOUT THE MONEY AND WORRY ABOUT HIS LEGACY.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:46:21 AM
ali @ kountedout & Goat:  Damn good writing ever great fighter has ducked somebody but you got to know why before you say they scared to fight someone.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:46:48 AM
Peplz @ The Good Doctor:  "I said earlier though, that doesn't mean squat to me. In addition, he very easily could have waited two days and signed a fight with the Pac/Hatton winner which Arum has quoted as saying he would have considered but he chose to take on a lightweight 20lbs overweight. " The above sentence is the classic nonsense that makes me believe that no matter who Floyd beats there will always be people like you with something negative to say. The lightweight 20lbs overweight is okay if its Pacquiao but not okay if its Marquez who most people feel beat Pacquiao twice. Hypocrisy. And don't give me the ole' Pacquiao had already had a fight as a welterweight. Yeah, against a Junior Middle Weight who had to almost kill himself to make the weight. If Marquez is not a legitimate opponent for Mayweather then Pacquiao is even less so a legitimate opponent for Mayweather. Pacquiao has not proven that he is any better than Marquez.. And, YOU are the idiot if you believe that all the people who hate on Mayweather won't continue to hate even if he did fight and defeat your entire laundry list of fighters. He especially wouldn't get any credit for defeating Pacquiao...
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:50:21 AM
oddsmaker:  Floyd is a fraud and full of himself , time will exposed this guy even more, He is afraid to loose and won't take a chance
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:51:18 AM
dr3r42:  Mathew: From what I've noticed, the "Leonard ducked Pryor" myth is usually used by Mayweather fans as a justification for Floyd not fighting the top welterweights. It's usually followed by "Robinson ducked Burley (they never mention that Burley was a middleweight when Robinson was welter) " . I realize that boxing is a business and that practically all fighters avoided fights that didn't make business sense (I don't expect Eddie Chambers to take any risks with a multi-million dollar payday against Wlad Klitchkko in the spring) but Mayweather has taken it to a new level. He ain't just ducking a welterweight, he's ducked the top five contenders (Mosely, Margarito, Williams, Cotto, and Clotty) over the years. And this "he's a small welterweight" is another excuse. Duran, Beneitez, Whitaker, Cotto, and Shane Mosely were also small welters, but they fought bigger guys in the division. I am not expecting Mayweather to run the gauntlet of the the 5 guys mentioned, but at least one of them would have been nice. BTW: I think Floyd's a great fighter, but the enjoyment of watching great fighters is when they have to make adjustments when they are fighting other great fighters (or guys who are bigger and stronger than they are). Ever since he left the lightweights, Floyd's denied the fans that opportunaty, being more concerned with his undefeated record remaining intact. It's not like he needs the money (at least I hope not for his sake- the guys made 10's of millions)
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:00:16 PM
The Good Doctor@Peplz:  Relax dude, you are way misconstrued here. No need to get emotional, it just opinions. Woooosah!!!! First, when I said it doesn't mean squat to me if you read earlier I am talking about being called out. That doesn't mean squat to me. Secondly, him waiting two days for a bigger, better fight is a fact. I gave him credit for beating Marquez if you read earlier but the fact remains he could have gotten a bigger and higher paying (going with the "money" moniker") fight if he waited. Third, I'll shrug of the idiot comment becuase you misunderstood. I never said that people are not going to hate Floyd no matter what because they probably will. But the fact remains, that if he beats Pac, or Cotto, or Mosely, or PW, in their great fighting years which all of them are, he is a great fighter period, end of story. If he beats two of them, he's an awesome fighter. Several people will still criticize him if he does but if they do, they are idiots.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:19:05 PM
$$$ is only a CONTENDER:  Ploy Mayweather to RA the Rugged Man, “Don't Knock my Hustle." Ploy Mayweather knows he's skating by with the least resistance possible. That is WEAK, as a fighter and a fight fan!! BUT my question is to the Arthur of this piece?!? Why does it take a MC to expose Mayweather when boxing fans and other boxers know what he's doing? Why can't a reporter ask the tough questions, why are you so scared of a fragile ego in Mayweather. You so called "experts" and HBO execs can't question Mayweather motives correctly!! Can I get an article about the wasted money Fakeweather received in his fights?!? Jones Jr and Mayweather inflated the boxing market and robbed the fans and HBO on weak fights. It's time to change this thinking and get back to real fighters fighting real fights!! Why does every fight fan know what Mayweather is doing and it takes an MC to expose him?!? Mayweather is a CONTENDER in the welterweight division until he fights a real CHAMPION in that division.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:20:11 PM
GOAT:  Please stop the madness. People are writing that PBF should have waited until after the Pac/Hatton fight to announce his comeback and fight Pac, are ya'll serious? He would have no negotiating room if he did that. If he would have waited and challenged Pac after the Hatton fight he would be looking at 35 - 40% of the pot and Pac would get the lion's share. He did a brilliant thing in smashing Pac's nemises in dominant fashion. Now when the fight is made PBF will get at least 50% of the pot. For this fight the difference between 35 - 40% and at least 50% is millions and millions of dollars. Smart move PBF, smart move.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:23:20 PM
GOAT:  As far as this PBF saying he's the greatest, ALI said it when he was 10 and 0. All fighters say their great or the best or the greatest all the time. All fighters say this or that fighter is scarred or ducking me or something like that. All trainers say their fighter is having the best camp in their life. That's gamemenship! It's used to hype fights. Freddie Roach talks just as much crap as the Mayweathers.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:27:05 PM
jca:  Floyd does not want to fight Mosley because of steroids mosley took a few years ago. He is also framing Pacman to be on steriods (Philippine steroids) so that there will be alot of reasons why the fight will not happen. Wanting the bigger share and Pacman on steriods will definitely cancel all the possibility of a fight because what if Pacman relents and gives him the bigger share? So accusing Manny of steriods will make it not difficult but impossible for the two to meet. The sad thing however is that, if he continues to duck dangerous opponents, although on paper he is undefeated, history will not be so kind to him and he will always be the undefeated with a big question mark. The sad thing for Floyd is that he is living in the same era as Manny, Cotto, Mosley etc. of which he will be forever questioned in light of these great boxers. For me personally, by ducking these fighters, he has technically been defeated already. everytime writers and commentators evoke the greats of this era, he will always be lower than Manny and a few of the other greats. If Manny continues to fight Mosley, and then perhaps Marquez and a couple more great boxers, then Manny has technically defeated Floyd already without boxing him. Manny does not need Floyd to be immortalized. All he needs is to win the remaining fights he has to do and by default Floyd becomes the loser!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:29:22 PM
BoxingFan@peplz:  It's fans like you who have become accustome to acting like Floyd. We as fans have our opinions and you act like idiots similar to Floyd. Can't accept the truth! If Floyd faces any of those guys and if he were to lose I would still give him respect. But it's the fact that he has NOT faced a better fighter in his own weight class.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:29:58 PM
GOAT @ The Good Doctor:  You said PBF was a not a small welter because of his height and reach, but that's only by an inch either way. PW is taller and has a longer reach than B-hop but if they fought, PW would have a size disadvantage.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:30:28 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  That's Bullcrap GOAT! Atleast Roach tells it like it is. He has more knowledge of the game than the Mayweathers. Roach is the most classiest guys out there and for you to say that is plain hate towards him. And you putting Ali's name in the same sentence with Floyd is insulting. Ali would've still fought the best even if he was crippled and Floyd in his prime chooses to fight the crippled. Look he is already using his age as an excuse.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:37:05 PM
GOAT:  How does Roach have more knowledge than the Mayweathers? That's a subjective statement. How do you judge boxing knowledge? The only FACT and not opionion is that PBF was groomed by the Mayweathers to be great and Roach stanrted training established fighters. Name one fighter that Roach groomed from the amatuers to become great? At the end of the day Roach can't fight for Pac and Roger and Floyd Sr. can't fight for PBF. PBF will make Pac look like an amatuer. PBF will make Cotto look like an amatuer. PBF will make Shane look like... you know the rest.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:52:52 PM
GOAT:  How is putting PBF's name with Ali insulting? Don't go all girly on me. PBF IS MORE SKILLED THAN ALI, that's right, I said it! Ali never thew a body punch, never knocked out a oponent moving backwards, and if PBF is a runner than Ali is the Flash because he "ran" more than PBF if you call ring generalship running. I think ALI is clearly one of the GOATS for his accomplishments, but as far as talent, there are fighters greater than ALI.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:57:18 PM
GOAT:  #1 PacFan, this is for you. PBF ALI, PBF ALI PBF ALI PBF ALI PBF ALI.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 12:58:12 PM
GOAT:  #1PacFan. How do you know who is classy? Are you around Roach and the Mayweathers all day? Roach is just like any other trainer he just happens to have a really good fighter that he helped to improve but was a world champ before Roach.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:00:05 PM
Gil P. Acosta:  Well, Mayweather history is divided into two: when he was in the lighter weights, he was brilliant and possessed the warrior spirit: seeking better challenges. The second history is still in the process: either to increase his legacy by seeking tougher challenges or diminish his legacy by fighting smaller and less gifted fighters. I think the fans want him to pursue the first option to increase his legacy. But all clues point to Mayweather's desire to choose the 2nd option: fight the smaller and less gifted boxers and increase his benjamins.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:02:17 PM
The Good Doctor@Goat:  Goat, me and you could talk boxing all day probably. I appreciate informed opinions. As for your statements about Floyd's return you are 100% correct. It was a smart move I figured he was doing that but let me offer you an interesting more lucrative option. Since he wanted a big fight coming back in his eyes, go get Sugar Shane and have it in Vegas. Shane is from CA, Floyd lives mostly in Vegas so huge fan backing if you have it out west. (Shane and Margarito sold out Staples as well) Shane is fresh off the Margarito fight so he is a hot name. Floyd is hot because he's an attraction plain and simple. If Floyd does this it puts him in there with a great fighter, generates more money, and sets him up with way more leverage if he decides to fight Pac. Also, he doesn't get the flack for fighting MArquez that may cost him financially. Now some say that is a riskier position which it is but that goes back to the view that Floyd views this as a business and I am cool with that but its hard to be a GOAT (no pun intended) doing that. Now as for the size I gues I should clarify that by saying when you look at the total package Floyd is not small. True like you said if PW fought B-Hop he would be smaller but I give you as exhibit a PW vs Winky. He was only two inches taller than Winky and probably 5-7lbs lighter fight night but PW because of his height and reach looked like the larger fighter. I think in this case we both have valid points.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:05:25 PM
bill m:  how many times have i wrote about floyd squandering his skills and ability? it drives me nuts to see a guy with his talent not use them. and goat, if he is so great then he wouldnt end up like ali or some of these guys that stay to long,its fighting by the way not baseball. floyd could be like a young ali if he had chosen to or had the grapes.he chose to take the easy way out with the most money every time and that is not a Great fighter by any means. i like him as a human being but he only cons the suckers and obviously this dj was not going to be in that catagory.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:21:10 PM
Anonymous user:  i agree to R.A. RUGGED MAN that floyd's interest is not to emblemish his 0 Loss record , he chosed the unarmed and smaller marquez to his come back with 2 pounds weight advantage. ?????? there's no more exciment in boxing if they continue to do this kind of a shit.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:23:15 PM
GOAT @ The Good Doctor:  Your assessment is very valid. I think he (PBF) was a little unsure of how he would respond to a real fight after the layoff. Ali didn't fight Frazier right away, he had a couple of fights with lesser oponents first. This is a smart move, Shane is going to be there, Berto is going to be there, Mar is going to be there, PW is going to be there, so why rush to fight any of them. PBF is flawless in the ring and he is just as flawless in promoting and managing himself. He is just like Oscar and SRL in marketing and promoting himself. He will fight Shane ,Pac/Cotto winner, maybe Berto, maybe PW. I believe he will fight 3 to 5 more times and then retire for good. Be patient
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:24:13 PM
GOAT @ The Good Doctor:  A good example of this is B-hop. He has a fight with RJJ lined up but he is taking a "tune-up" fight first because he hasn't fought in a while. This is a smart move.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:25:56 PM
GOAT @ The Good Doctor:  Marquez has a big following in Mexico plus he gave Pac plenty of trouble in thier two fights, so from a marketing standpoint if you can come out of retirement and totally outclass a fight who is the #2 PFP fighter and Pac's nemises and look good doing it, you just increased your leverage for negotiating a fight with Pac. We all know PBF came back to fight Pac, so everything he does should be geared at fighting Pac. Unfortunately for some fans, this does not include fighting Shane at this time. Shane did the same thing to him a few years back. Shanewas/is not scarred of PBF but at that time, Shane had other fights in mind and he knew Oscar wanted to fight PBF so Shane declined the fight. This happens a lot in boxing. It has nothing to do with being scarred. Who does PBF have to beat to get the respect of fans?
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:32:35 PM
Matthew:  @GOAT. I would disagree. Mayweather is most definitely NOT like Leonard and De La Hoya when it comes to marketing. Remember, those two had the benefit of winning Olympic gold medals, while Mayweather did not. Leonard and De La Hoya were initially promoted and marketed as wholesome, all-American guys, and were incredibly successful. Mayweather tried being the good guy, and it didn't work for him. He has only achieved mainstream notice since he became a darker and increasingly more abrasive personality. Although Floyd achieved a modicum of success as the A side of the Marquez promotion, he was not a PPV star until he first tangled with Oscar, and then Hatton (both of whom were the real draws in their respective fights with PBF). Leonard and De La Hoya were always the main attraction in their careers, not the B-side. In fact, only twice in 40 fights did Leonard not recieve the lion's share of the purse: the second Duran fight, and the Hagler fight (and that's only because he gained concessions in every other avenue to allow Hagler to get more money). Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya were far bigger attractions than Floyd Mayweather Jr. could ever be (then again, the boxing landscape is different than it was back then).
Monday Nov 2, 2009 01:47:33 PM
CJ:  Frank Lotierzo is a clown. If people would laydown like when DLH negotioated with them. Mayweather would fight everyone and their mother. But unlike DLH, a fighter that is not as accomplished as Mayweather. The negotiations are tough. I wonder why. Don't want to see a brotha get paid, no doubt. Frank, shut the F---- up if you can't report with sense.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:09:05 PM
royette:  I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH MY IDOL!!! I'M A BIG FLOYD FAN before this write-up but now I HATE HIM. The radio dj has proven that Floyd's a big LIAR.. I like his defensive style of boxing, (never mind the arrogance outside the ring) BUT, to be proven that you LIED and lied and lied to the boxing fans all over the world is a big downfall. LIARS GO TO HELL!!!!! TRASH FLOYD EVERYONE....
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:12:16 PM
GOAT @ Matthew:  I disagree homey. The fact that PBF didn't win the gold and still has this much sucess is a testiment to his maketing ability. Oscar and Hatton had their biggest PPV when they fought PBF so that goes both ways. He is actually better than SRL and Oscar because he didn't have the gold medal and networks drooling over him when he began his career. He is at the top now. More casual sports fans know PBF than Pac, Cotto, Shane, PW etc. He is the most recognizable active boxer today and that's due to his hard work marketing and promoting himself.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:17:52 PM
MisterLee:  Wow, this conversation is important. It's separating the water from the oil, the cream from the crap, the fans from the diehard nuthuggers. It's really a crossroads conversation and subject, and diehard mayweather fans are getting fewer in number, and if the remaining are not convinced by this conversation, they WILL NEVER be convinced by any kind of reasoning unless they saw floyd in a closet with a naked man while he is twittering about how he's scared of mosley and how he's hand picked all his opponents and how he's let his fans down (tho he is very close to this, and i am talking about the twitter part...) haha. No one should ever take the marquez fight seriously. Marquez did not have the power to hurt Floyd, b/c he hit him with power shots flush (straight right hands) many times, and b/c they did not move floyd (who was 20 lbs heavier) they were not seen as effective (tho those from de la hoya were effective) and not even counted compubox connected. If a fighter like Angulo or Kirkland or even Cintron made that same connect at Jr. Middle, you best believe Floyd would move like George Castanza did at his masseur. Holler! :)
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:32:46 PM
MisterLee @ at Mr. Quote of Note:  Dear Mr. Fe'roz the Pharaoh, us Tss fans would appreciate a picture from your Halloween bash on the TSS home page. It would bring great joy and glee to us Boxing and TSS fans. Thanks. ~Ching-Yin Lee.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:36:16 PM
Matthew:  @GOAT. Although I disagree with you about PBF being a better marketer than Leonard and De La Hoya, you do have a good point about him getting to where he is without a gold medal. A gold medal today doesn't mean as much as it did back in '76 or even '92 (look how slowly Andre Ward has come along). Some of that is probably because of the current state of amateur boxing generally, and USA boxing specifically. Boxing is also not a staple on the networks like it was in '76 or '92, so Mayweather gets credit for that. I would still say that Mike Trainer and Charlie Brotman did a magical job of making Leonard a household name, and that he far exceeded anything Mayweather could achieve marketing-wise. Although Oscar had his biggest PPV success when he fought PBF, he still had bigger successes before and without PBF than PBF had before or without him (look at the success of the Da La Hoya-Trinidad PPV numbers). I guess it depends on how you look at it.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:39:18 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @GOAT, I have been around Roach and Team Pacquiao in their recent training camp. I just laugh at all your comments because it's a bunch of bull. How much if Floyd paying you to back this fraud up. Floyd will never be an All Time Great and you can take that to the bank. He will be in the Hall of Shame is where he'll be. You're dreaming if you think he'll make Pac, Cotto, and Shane look like amateurs. Maybe you're just referring to all the amateurs he's faced. I said this a few years back that people will start to realize what Floyd is about and its coming out. As far as PPV goes, it was Oscar who made PBF a more recognizable fighter to draw big numbers. Before Oscar nobody knew him and you know it.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:41:08 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Welcome to the party Caveman!! @GOAT, give it up man there's no way you can save this fraud's reputation at this point. We all know why he is in the sport.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:43:30 PM
Anony @ GOAT:  ARE YOU GETTING PAID BY FLOYD TO DEFEND HIM ONLINE??? It looks like it. But money will not buy him legacy. It's time to man up and face the real welterweights. Is that so difficult to understand? CHECK THIS OUT... if he were a brave and not scare boxer...... WHY HE IS NOT CALLING THE WINNER FROM PACQUIAO-COTTO AS OF NOW???? but he is plainly waiting and hoping Pacquiao wins because he doesn't want to face Cotto. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!! He can start shutting critics if he start calling EITHER one NOW... but no, he will fight only Pacquiao. Less risk for him based on his experience against JMM. You want to see how a great boxer behave??? Watch what Cotto will say after the fight which I'm sure will go like "I will fight anybody the company put in front of me, don't care who". That''s a brave boxer building respect and Legacy.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:55:40 PM
kissjonez:  So sad, Floyd was about to cry! Lol! Too bad his Uncle and Dad wasnt there to back him up! They'll probably agree with RA! hahaha
Monday Nov 2, 2009 02:59:46 PM
paulbo:  I for one think this was outstanding. It's not like this article wrested away precious newspaper space from the boxing matches coming up. This is the Internet, and this interview gets to the heart of some of the most pressing questions about a guy many people still think is an all-time great. I say great article. Floyd's repeated insistence that he's the all-time greatest fighter is absurd, given that he has ducked all the top fighters.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:11:31 PM
GOAT @ Matthew:  I agree! Leonard had an excellent team, plus he was very articulate, smart, and an excellent fighter when he started. He rewrote the way to market yourself and I believe Oscar capitalized on it and took it further. Oscar can call out any fighter 160 and below and they would drop what they were doing to fight him becasue he generates so much money, that's power. PBF had to do it differently because he tried they Leonard and Oscar way and it didn't work for him. When we watch the 24/7's that's not haow PBF really is, he is promting himself because it doesn't matter if people pay to see him win or loose, just as long as they pay.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:12:50 PM
Jack Cool @ all PBF Apologists:  Man, the sorts of rationalization that people make to justify PBF's claim to GOAT. To those who say it's better not to end up like ALI (i.e., Parkinsons), PBF would never end up like that because he does not ENGAGE IN WARS. He's a runner/dancer, even against a limited BALDOMIR, he was so conservatively SAFETY FIRST. So don't worry about Parkinsons. So many point to cover, so best to check out Tim Strk's 19 Ready Made Replies to Fans of PBF. It's the same recylced arguments being made here. (Google it).
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:14:21 PM
GOAT @ Annoy:  I believe he is hoping Pac wins but not because he is scarred of Cotto. Pac will generate more money than Cotto so from a financial standpoint , he wants to fight Pac. It's smart to stay under the radar until after they fight. PBF is very respectful of other fighters whereas he doesn't try to steal their glory like Shane and B-Hop did. I never seen PBF screaming at fighters after their wins or climbing into the ring to call them out. That's classless. I believe he will start negotiating with the winner at the right time. He lets fighters enjoy their day in the sun.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:18:31 PM
Jason :  @#1PacFan Look Pac Man is a great champion and is honorable for his service to his people in the philipines. However you got to aknowledge that when Mayweather demolished Marques who gave Pac big problems he pretty much put things into perspective for PacMan fans don't you think. Oscar wanted to fight Floyd to shoot back to the top because Floyd is #1. Dont blame PBF because Oscar's fans have a low boxing I.Q. and can't distinguish reality from hype. If your friends at Team Pacquiao are as real as you say, than I dare you to advise them to stop "talkin" and agree to fight for 50/50 split at 147lbs. Make it Happen! If you can't do that than I don't think there is anything to discuss. Pac fought Delahoya at 147 right?
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:19:03 PM
Frank Z:  I love sugar ray leonard's style, but i have to say that he's pretty overrated. a great fighter certainly, one of the best of his era, but too many people put him in with the original sugarman for my liking. Robinson dominated two extremely competitive weight classes in his time, welter and middleweight, and i think leonard's career (before the pathological retiring and unretiring) was just too short to put him in with robinson. i feel that watching them both, ray robinson had just as much speed, better accuracy, and MUCH better power, and that's sayign something because leonard was a pretty powerful puncher and finisher himself.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:29:07 PM
donputo69 just knocked some punk out in the train:  Scareweather this Scareweather that....this is getting so old already....Anony....u have a great point....why not call out the winner of cotto and pacquiao RIGHT NOW?....I've always said all along....scareweather is a chicken...he feels so great saying he beat up baldomir.....lmfao.....much props to that Dj for exposing his @$$.....so he turned down 8 mil with a guy that had 3 loses to fight a bum with like 9 loses.....you do the math.....anyway.....these scareweather articles keeps getting more boring.....Cotto in 10......holla back!!!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:42:24 PM
MisterLee:  Pple are writing a thesis and a Bible over nothing fo' sho! I agree with Donputo and smileyC! For Certain!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:54:44 PM
The Saint:  @GOAT: You said, "The GOAT (GRAETEST OF ALL TIME) is the one who retires with all his money and all of his mental faculties." At least you're honest. If that is your qualification for greatness, then sure, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has a good shot. Although it's much too early in his career to be having IRS troubles. This normally happens to washed up fighters later on in their lives, it's not looking good for PBF. Still, his mental faculties will remain in tact so long as he continues DUCKING the likes of Pacquiao, Mosley, Williams and Cotto. For real boxing fans, greatness is equated with the quality of opponents that you stepped into the ring against. @Kountedout: Leonard didn't fight Pryor. But let's see who he DID fight. Hagler, Hearns, Duran and a prime Terry Norris. Great fighters go straight to the TOP OF THE FOODCHAIN like Leonard did, & not pick on some old, overweight fighter who had to move up 2 or 3 weightclasses to fight him. Hopkins is considered great for a variety of reasons. He stayed a middleweight forever and fought everybody available, defending his title 20 times. It's not his fault that Toney moved up in weight. Also, Hopkins beat guys that he was supposed to lose to like Trinidad, Tarver and Pavlik. Great fighters beat the odds. Regarding Tyson, well, I agree with you there. I personally think he's overrated. As I've mentioned a few times on here, Mayweather has been a bonafide welterweight for many years and he has not fought any top welterweight. Not once have I said any derrogatory remark on Mayweather's abilities, because that's not in question. But he needs to fight the top welterweights and he has shown no interest whatsoever. It's one thing to miss out on fighting certain fighters. I would've loved to have seen Gerald McClellan vs Hopkins or Jones, Tyson vs Foreman or Bowe vs Lewis. But Mayweather's legacy is defined by missing out on EVERY SINGLE TOP WELTERWEIGHT.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 03:57:17 PM
#1floydfan:  Yea this RA cats got a real big mouth over the phone.....he's talking about if i fought 40 girls i'd be undefeated too......then how about 6 world champions do you think he'll be still undefeated? i doubt that.....come on man lets be realistic margarito for 8million or the undesputed champ for 12ve? i know who i'd pick..........cotto made the bigest mistake of his career jumping in the ring with that cheat....floyd made the right desision.........how about this thing with shane mosley.....shane mosley felt soo damn guilty about ducking floyd twice he had to get in the ring and beg...can you blame floyd for putting him off? he dosn't deserve a dime.....floyd addmited live on air he wanted to fight cotto...but do you realy think big bobs going to let that happen? theres been reports that bob arum wants to set up a rematch between him and margarito come on.......and don't even mention pacquiao....what good would that do floyd? people would just say he's fighting another small man just like they doing now ^ i'd rather him fight andre berto......lets just wait till the 4 fights are up before we start critising floyd.......either one of the names i mentioned are going to be on that list you can bet money on it.......even if floyd beat all these guys there will always be someone they wanna see floyd fight.......addmit it hatters you won't be happy until floyd lose.......we'll you are going to be unhappy for the rest of you're life ha ha
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:00:36 PM
Matthew:  @Frank Z. ANY fighter comes up short when being compared to Ray Robinson. He was an absolutely perfect fighting machine without a flaw, and there is no question that he was the greatest fighter to ever lace up a pair of gloves. But to say that Ray Leonard was overrated is way off the mark. True, Leonard's prime was short, but he defeated three all-time great fighters in less than two years (Benitez, Duran, and Hearns), not to mention several good contenders on the way up. After one fight in 5 years, he moves up to 160 and beats Hagler without the benefit of a tune-up fight (take note, Mayweather). How could any of that be construed as overrated? Make no mistake, Ray Robinson is in his own category when it comes to greatness, but Ray Leonard is the greatest fighter to come along in the last 30 years.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:04:06 PM
The Saint:  @Matthew: You are wrong. Leonard is not the greatest fighter to come along in 30 years. Just ask any Mayweather fan. Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and Zab Judah are greater than Leonard, and Mayweather beat them all.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:16:56 PM
Matthew:  @The Saint. Let's not forget Chop Chop Corley or Sharmba Mitchell. I laughed my ass off when I saw you write that. That was hilarious.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:28:24 PM
blknstuff:  ok sugar ray mat have retired but hearns ducked pryor after pryor whooped his tail when they were ameutures. also pryor and sugar ray got spared with sugur ray for sugar ray no mas fight wit duran. thats why pryor came to the stage to fight sugar ray. yes all fighters have a fight. pbf did challenge mosely, oscsar, when they were were at the top to get turned down. also pac man gets credit for doing the samething pbf has done already. yes pac man is great but he come on dont forget the marcquez fights. who did margoritto beat? paul williams beat? we talk about resumes and we talk bout floyed cus he has one. was is it 15 former world champs he fought? yikes.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:34:45 PM
MisterLee making a point...:  Come on guys! If we're basing our analysis for GOAT or GO our era, based on who banked the most money, you gotta give it to oscar de la hoya, he's a cash cow if I ever saw one, made and makes 100 times more money than Floyd, probably banked more championship belts, fought higher caliber and higher weight fighters than Floyd, and let's be honest, had more sex than Floyd, and made better record albums than Floyd. So that means Golden Boy was the GOAT according to these Floyd-ian analyses. Except he never ducked nobody ( tho we can't say he was ever on a quest to fight Margarito, Forrest, nor Winky Wright) and he was popular with the people both in and out of the ring, and his fights WERE INTERESTING. Oscar is better at marketing and promoting too. Sometimes, I wish Cotto had one the Margarito fight, there was a solid chance that Cotto would have fought Oscar at 154 in his next fight as opposed to Pacquiao taking the fight as a replacement opponent b/c no way Oscar wanted any piece of "fellow Mexican" Margarito. Holler!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:35:38 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @GOAT, Mayweather having a lot of respect for other fighters? Get outa town, last I heard Floyd said that the Philippines had the best enhancement drugs. Tell me that's not taking glory away from a fighter. @Anony and Don, I too said why hasn't Floyd announced who he is interested in fighting next. Don't worry if he does face the Pacman he will not be pretty any longer.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:37:01 PM
MisterLee:  I believe Oscar beat more belts and world champions than Floyd, tho excuse me if I'm wrong, I don't feel like looking up all the stats. Holler! We can all agree that Oscar has his place in history, but if we're using those same standards on Floyd, then he fails, b/c Oscar had what he has, except much more of it. Holler!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:37:37 PM
flimh:  die hard fans, casual fans, boxing writers, and other boxing people, why are they not unanymous in recognizing PBF as P4P? Plain and simple, there is a reasonable doubt. Not even an army of Floyd diehard fans can cover up for him. And people who are believing that PBF is GOAT, you are making a fool of yourself. 2 words for ya'll "WAKE UP"
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:45:46 PM
Matthew:  I think we can excuse Oscar for not fighting Winky, Forrest, or Margarito. Inevitably, there's going to be someone you don't get around to. He did take on the following fighters in their prime: Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Vargas, Quartey, Genaro Hernandez, and Rafael Ruelas. I've criticized Oscar for failing to come through when it counted most, but NO ONE can say he didn't take on the best available fighters around. He deserves credit for that. Mayweather certainly can't make the same claim.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 04:56:24 PM
dp69 listening to the RA scareweather interview:  WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!.......he put scareweather on his @$$.....lmfaoooooooooooooo......im glad somebody had to put him on his @$$....scareweather seems confused and lost....lol.....if i would fight 15 girls i'll be undefeated too.....lol.....oooohhhhh man.....RA told him to fight dawson....scareweather's response?....?/*&%$#@!.....lmfaoooooooo.....RA....i aint scare of you....watcha gonna do?....punch me in my head.....lol......holla back!!!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 05:08:07 PM
isidro:  Mayweather do the unpopular choice of opponent before retirement and after it.His great boxing skills collides with his chosen way of maintaining his stature,as undefeated.What he is creating are flocks of idolizing fans not of boxing but his cool '0' defeat record.The not- so boxing fans are hypnotized by that fact, which he always loudly discuss anytime anywhere he is interviewed.Mixture of solid record of fact and debatable assertions, keeps his detractors busy in countering it.Results he is more than gaining than losing the publicity ride.The RA interview remains to be seen if it did damage on Mayweather's claim of greatness, that also keeps his idolizing fans feeling greats.What his way of dividing and reshaping the boxing fans perception and oppinions of boxing makes the knowledgeable, expose him hard to enlighten everyone in another valid picture.In my oppinion boxing is benefitted but on not pure boxing factors.It's like 'Jacko' in boxing.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 05:08:25 PM
deepwater:  lol. alot of rascists on here. floyd shouldnt listen to the white fans? lol. damn obama have a beer with roots.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 05:08:45 PM
MisterLee @ Matthew:  Yo 3:14, don't forget to add whitaker! and tho mayorga was no great, he wasn't no pushover either! Holler! Floyd is yet to fight any opponent at 154, b/c even mora on a bad day would beat his Arse, or even cintron would hurt him at least once in a fight (i mean chop chop corley hurt him, why WOULDN't a young jr middle contender do it). I think pretty much they'll hit harder than marquez, but NOT HARDER THAN RA!) Holler!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 05:37:47 PM
brownsugar : don't flip the script:  Did I arrive too late??,... or can anyone join this haterade reunion??,..wow so much ill-will and negativity,... just because some loud talking stiff masquerading as a journalist cuts up and acts a fool over the phone with Mayweather .. the ignorant bozo uses Hopkins as a EXAMPLE,. and Hopkin MADE HIS FAME OFF BEATING 3 LITTLE GUYS... Oscar,.. Tito,.. and Pavlik,..NO Make that 4 SMALLER FIGHTERS,.. cause Winky Wright was another one of Hopkins UNDERSIZED VICTIMS.... As if RA needed further reason to show his a$$,.. he compares a 5yrs younger 160lb diesel Oscar Del La Hoya to the shell of the man Pacman beat when Oscar didn't have enough a$$ to hold up his trunks,.. Theres were many more errors RA made in his rant that he lost total credibility to the discerning fan,.. However Floyd wasdoing himself no favors by not HANGING UP,..on the Fool,.. you don't get into Public arguments with Stupid MoFo's,.. would Barrack Obama Debate a Wino on the back streets of the BRONX???.. I can't say anything favorable about Mayweathers side of the conversation,,.. which also didn't make a lot of sense,.. but he's just recently grown into a full fledge welterweight and was beating welterweights when he was little more than a junior WW,.. Yes he needs to take on the Challenges out there,.. since he can no longer get below,.. 146 he has no choice... so just sit back and watch tthe fights get made,.. it won't be long before he announces his next fight,.. then if you don't like it,.. you can continue throwing your stones...Floyd was dynamite at 130 and 135,.. nobody in recent memory can compare,.. now it remains to be seen what he does at 147,..
Monday Nov 2, 2009 05:37:58 PM
Matthew:  @MisterLee. Yes, you can include Whitaker in that list I mentioned. I didn't specifically mention Pernell because he had slipped somewhat and couldn't still be considered in his prime when he fought Oscar (for me, the last prime performance he had was the McGirt rematch), but he was still the linear welterweight champ and at or near the top of the pound-for-pound rankings.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:00:11 PM
Smiley C:  Sarcastic articles about Mayweather Jr send this site into A Thousand And One tales, alibis, half truths, whole lies and pathological ways of grandstanding. Write some Physicians' Desk References, Boxers' Desk References, Fans' Desk References, Writers' Desk References, Morons' Desk References, and write some boxing appendixes, dictionaries, guides, boxing yellow pages and a boxing bible beside the Ring Magazine fo' sure!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:22:36 PM
Twik:  Way to go, brownsugar. Just as boxing is suppose to be, you are a quick thinking man! Masqueradors salute each other. They are quickly blinded by the flashes of smack talk foolishness and stone throwing posturing. Boxing is a thinking man's game and like I said quick thinking.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:37:11 PM
Isaiah:  Mr. Lotierzo. This was a brilliant article and a brilliant interview too! I'd like to say something to the The Saint too, are you on something dude?! Seriously! Were you actually being serious when you said Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti and Zab Judah are greater then Leonard? Are you out of your mind?! Assuming Arturo Gatti was alive and well, Leonard who is in his 50's now, would still beat them all with one hand tied behind his back! That was just way too ignorant dude! You starting to sound like Floyd. Maybe, JUST MAYBE Sugar Ray Robinson MIGHT be slightly better then Leonard if were taliknig about 2 guys in their prime around the same weight class, but even that isn't for sure! To deepwater and Roots, fools who have no logic in their arguements must fall back on the same old RACE arguement, just like LOSER FAKE FLOYD, because you have NOTHING to argue with. Floyd has been stripped and exposed by someone who I've never heard of, but I bet you I'll never forget this "Rugged Man"s" name. THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN!!! TO MY PEOPLE WHO KNOW THAT, I'M WITH YOU BRETHEN!!! TO THOSE IN DENIAL, DEAL WITH IT!!! Fake ole Floyd is going down hard if he takes the challenge. THE TIME HAS COME!!!
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:45:47 PM
BOXREV:  I thought the worst part was when Floyd said that 'Legacy don't pay the bills", but then it actually did get worse when he mentioned Hatton as a possible future opponent. Floyd has a really warped sense of reality and the fact that he was so bothered by this is more telling than anything. Boxing is dead without him? Go back to WWF where you belong Fraud and we'll see how dead Boxing is.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 06:52:24 PM
brownsugar:  thanks Twik,.. just my humble 2cents,..besides I can't waste any more time talking about 2 guys "talking about fights",... I'll set my alarm for when somebody gets in the ring....
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:16:18 PM
The Saint:  @Isaiah: It's called SARCASM.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 07:30:38 PM
@The Saint:  He doesn't know the meaning of the word. You have to watch those starkers. They are slow up top.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:21:41 PM
DaveB:  God I love this. No one has to defend his record or "legacy" more than Mayweather. No one.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 08:38:44 PM
The Saint:  @DaveB: Whether you're serious or sarcastic, your statement is true. If Mayweather is content with fighting the best LIGHTWEIGHTS today, he should stop pretending to be a welterweight. When Roy Jones Jr. moved up to fight the worst heavyweight champ available, at least RJJ was honest enough to move back down to the weight division he belonged to. For a welterweight who's supposedly #2 p4p and not long ago was the official #1 p4p, it's quite amusing that he has not faced one of the top welterweights, despite being a welterweight for 5 years or so.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:15:45 PM
Carlos:  YAY! Mayweather will go down as one of the greatest of all time, his career defined by what fight again? Who'd he beat? Oh yeah he had that great fight against Castillo when I was in Kindergarten once, *sigh* that was a long time ago.. is Floyd still fighting? I wonder how he is... in truth, to really know who the best is, just watch HBO's Greatest Hits, the Floyd Mayweather episode and the Manny Pacquiao episode.. then come and tell me who the greatest is.. lol.. not even close!! (BARRERA, MORALES, MARQUEZ, DELA HOYA, HATTON, COTTO, WHO'S NEXT???)
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:32:36 PM
dinamita:  thanks for writing this, it will make people aware of the interview. people should listen to it to know the truth, hats off to RA.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:46:29 PM
steve:  HE WILL DUCK THE BEST FIGHTERS OUT THERE TRUST ME HE WONT EVEN FIGHT PACQUIAO OR MOSLEY,COTTO ETC. MAYWEATHER IS A DISGRACE TO BOXING HE IS THE DUCKING KING OF BOXING
Monday Nov 2, 2009 09:48:50 PM
DaveB:  The Saint, I'm being serious. I've never seen anyone or anyone's fans who have to defend his record so much. They say his career is not over, or what he did years ago, or that everyone has ducked someone but they fail to mention who those people didn't duck or that those people usually weren't comparing themselves with legends. He puts down boxing icons but doesn't have the credentials to back it up. All everyone wants is to see him in some good fights but he is very reluctant to do it. I always hope I am wrong and he lets loose and fights the big fights but I'm so dissappointed in him lately. He is starting to lose a lot of his supporters as of late. I want to see him in a fight were he doesn't have all the advantages and you really have to wonder if he'll win because the other guy has some of the advantages like Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Hearns. He always says those guys lost but so what, they fought the best, that is what great fighters do.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:35:56 PM
Next In Line:  Ever since I seen a young Floyd beat Genero Hernandez I have been a big fan of Mayweather. The mans skills are undeniable! I understand his business motives but from the looks of things he, his children and his childrens children should be pretty well off unless he goes broke. Could you imagine what would have happened to this sport if all the greats had thought like floyd. Why is it that other sports have playoffs and superbowls, world series, etc.? To determine who is the best! Imagine if let's say.... When the Patriots got to the superbowl and got to hand pick who they play or which team will produce the most money! As a fan of floyds extreme talent I ask why not prove yourself and fight the best? When has floyd been in a fight when we genuinly do not know who is going to win. I hope he proves me and others wrong and starts fighting some of these guys.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 10:55:06 PM
Catch Weight:  I understand all sentiments from Mayweather fans about their guy. I have no problems with that, even with the ducking accussations fired by some people here. However, you cannot just say boxers should make smart business out of our entertainment just to secure a safe and healthy life in the future. Whether you like it or not, that is a GIVEN. Boxers (or should I say all athletes) are prone to severe health risk. To say the former statement is just a naive or absurd excuse coming from a sports fan.
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:33:39 PM
Isaiah@UknowWho:  I've been paying attention to this mystery person who keeps on insulting me on the last several articles. This person has just starting targeting me inparticular for what seems like no reason at all. Look back on the last several articles and there seems to be a STRANGE COINCIDIENCE of Radam G's screenname dissapearing at the same time that someone is completly focused on insulting JUST ME. It's still happening as you can see with the "@ The Saint" comment above. In a previous article or 2, it's been shown as "@Isaiah" followed with an insult. Show your screenname you coward or have I already guessed, Radam G. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. If not, put your screenname down coward. To the Editor: I'd like you to take note at the harrasment being bestowed specifically on me. You took note if I said something you disagree with, so now it's my turn for requesting your assistance or is this not a fair and balanced website?
Monday Nov 2, 2009 11:45:16 PM
@Isaiah:  Apologize! There is no need to get paranoid. I'm not insulting you and I won't. I'm above that. Beside I called you a starker, not a stalker. It's called SARCASM!
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 12:28:28 AM
arturo@ every Floyd hater in TSS:  it seems like everyone is desperate to see Mayweather lose to a big name.He is attacked pretty bad but you hate on him and pay for his cars and mansion ,irs debt,e.t.c. HAHA.if he doesnt fight the best out there he will not be a all time great but he will be healthy and wealthy.So all you imaginary matchmakers can keep on doing your free labor
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 12:33:50 AM
Suge720:  I guarantee Floyd will wait a year or more and finally fight Shane Mosley, when Mosley is nearing 40.. Floyd wouldn't even think about a Paul Williams fight.. I doubt he'd even fight Berto.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 12:58:05 AM
Fe'Roz :  If Undefeated were a criteria for All Time Greatness, then put Marciano ahead of Calzaghe....and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. next. This is an absurd position that Floyd holds on to; one that is as unconvincing as it is incorrect. Dare I say absurd. His place in history is not yet cemented nor is his legacy....at least not the one he seeks. He will be judged near the end of his career by those he fought and how he fared. And the level of his competition. Let's leave aside,.Out respect, one of if not the truly Greatest of Our Time, Muhammed Ali. Respect for all that he gave and did for the game of Boxing. I prefer the example of Roberto Duran, a man in everyone's Top Five....and a man who lives in the collective memory... to illustrate a point. Duran was a man of Floyd's size. Yet he fought undefeated 33x....until he met and lost to de Jesus. He then fought undefeated 37 more times... beating such fighters as Carlos Palomino.......until he beat prime SRL in his 72nd fight. He avenged de Jesus twice, fought SRL again, Cuevas, Davey Moore, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Iran Barkley and more. Yes, he lost fights. But look who he fought....when, at what weight. He was known for his hands of stone.....but he had balls of Pig Iron. Floyd has neither. He is a skilled boxer. But not even close to an all time great.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 02:05:15 AM
1@Fe'Roz:  Fe'Roz, Absolutely. The fact that Duran pro debuted at bantamweight and would go on and give fits to SRL and MMH is just mind boggling. At the rate he's going, Floyd is going to hate himself years from now, long after he's retired and plays the game "Yeah, if we would of fought, I would of beaten him, and him, and him, and him...", maybe you would have, Floyd, but we'll never know, now will we?
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 03:05:48 AM
1:  Oh, and we give NO credit to woulda, coulda, shoulda. 'Cause it would disrespect the memories of the GLADIATORS who did.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 03:09:49 AM
brad:  @Fe'Roz, couldn't agree more with you on the Duran thing. Really he had two careers. The one from 1968-1978 starting off at 120 lbs then fighting lightweight. Those were the years he was incredible. Most of the sporting public doesn't know about this Duran. The way he moved, his intensity, his power at that weight. From 1978 til he retired Duran never fought a man his size. Everyone he stepped into the ring with was bigger. Much bigger. When he stepped up and took on the welterweights/jr. middleweights/middleweight he was taking on some of the most skilled fighters ever to fight at in those weight classes. Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns, Benitez,Hagler...those are all-time greats. Then you had very good second tier fighters in those classed Cuevas,Palomino. All guys bigger, much bigger than Duran! And then consider the volume of fighting Duran did. Duran wasn't a guy like Mayweather who was always in shape. He got way out of shape in between fights. Still late in his career he was more active than guys in their prime these days. In 1983, 15 years after turning pro and three years after No Mas, Duran fought 3 times. Cuevas,Moore and Marvin F*cking Hagler!!!! That's incredible. And the following years he takes on the scariest guy in boxing Tommy Hearns who stood 6" taller than Duran and had a 12" reach advantage and was in his prime. Duran was Duran. Floyd can preserve his perfect record but he'll never even approach guys like Duran in the category of "true greats."
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 05:46:27 AM
Fe'Roz @1 and Brad:  Thanks gentlemen. I am so tired of sentimental support for Floyd based on such a thin resume. Since 2003 floyd has fought names, but so few that the idea of even including him in a discussion of All Time Greats is flat out absurd. His accomplishments in the ring are a fraction of what any sports fan (in any sport) would consider historically great. Great statistics, regardless of the sport, do not determine Greatness. They are adequate for the Hall of Fame. But elevating One's game in adversity against the Undisputed Best is the stuff of Champions. Doing so against odds are what makes the People's Champion(s). Think,,, no time on the clock....and Joe Montana. Think Jerry Rice. Derik Jeter. Manuel Rivera. Kobe Bryant. Michael Jordan. Think about them as us. Peolple doing the most extraordinary. Think Zaire. Muhammed Ali. And then think Roberto Duran ..... and Floyd Mayweather. One strikes fear and raises the spectre of war. The other not even. So please, speak of Floyd with respect to the skills he has thus far been willing to spare and share thus far But leave 'Greatness" for real men.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 08:29:50 AM
jen:  unbeaten 40 fights ? nahhhh !!!! 7th division world title ? hell yeah !!!
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 08:57:59 AM
mortcola@misterlee:  Misterlee, I got and appreciated your George Costanza reference. And it was damn funny, the whole post. Hardcore nuthugging PBF hero-worship is like making excuses for a husband who beats you because he brings home a lot of money. He ain't committed to your well-being or happiness, he takes what he wants, and he doesn't put in the time. Some people like gettin' played by a playa, cause at least it gives them the illusion that they're in the game. And they don't want to admit that they would like to be in that closet with him. I'll take an old-fashioned fighter over a skilled, lyin', self-justifyin' pretty boy any day. And, for the record, in response to the geniuses who talk about us hatin' a brother who gets paid, my heroes were mostly black fighters - who took chances and fought through the hard stuff. Floyd is just not an admirable man or fighter, no matter what level of skill and reflexes he has. SRL played the media and the business end - but he sought and fought the best. Hagler. Holmes. Hell, Harold Brazier, workin' the auto body shop and training at night and driving hundreds of miles to take fights while training and managing himself, against the best of his era - and doing well against them all. That's a man. Not a dancin' fool.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 09:31:26 AM
Arty B:  Pernell Sweepea Whitaker (The People's Champion) had a saying ..." My contracts come signed" meaning all you have to do is sign we fight anyplace anytime anywhere .......In his prime he would outbox and out slick Mayweather so bad that Mayweather's first loss would be his last.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 09:51:50 AM
MIsterLee @ mortcola:  I'm a fan of your work!
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 10:16:15 AM
MisterLee:  Quote of Mayweather: "I left on top and I came back on top," said Mayweather. "I'm here to fight and reclaim what is mine. "When I made my decision to retire last year, I felt like it was time for me to go as I had been boxing my whole life and felt like I had done all that I could do. "But after I had time to rest, enjoy life with my family and friends, I started to miss the competition and my fans." He misses the COMPETITION and the FANS. So if he fights for fans, why does he fight Marquez or 19 year old prospects? Didn't he also say he was back to prove he's the best, and he's out to fight everybody but pple will have to wait in line, that he can't fight everyone at once? The thing is, he's signed to fight NO ONE, and why is he so scared to call anyone out? B/c he knows if he does, even for $500,000 they'd line up to beat his ARSE at any point, even williams would move down to 147 to fight for 500K, so would anyway at thewelterweight divsion. And if he talks money, a Mosley fight could probably earn him de la hoya like payday.. $20 million including PPV buys. Fighters talk about who they would like to fight all the time, why would Mayweather BE SCARED of calling or talking about fighters? B/c he'd be scared they pull a Mosley and all him out in front of millions of fans. All the nuthuggers claim Mayweahter is the GREATEST. Here's some possibilities, he MIGHT be the greatest technician of all time, he MIGHT be one of the greatest lightweights of all time, he IS undefeated, but so were Marciano and Calzaghe when they retired with a better record, and JCC went on a greater unbeaten and knockout streak... he MIGHT be the greatest promoter, but he got NOTHING on de la hoya as a fighter or a promoter. So he ain't the richest, the best promoter, NOR the best fighter, so how is the greatest of our era? I'd put RJJ over him in historical signficance anyday, the guy went up to heavyweight for christ's sake, we know de la hoya went up to middleweight, but middleweight was where he maxed out, mosley realized earlier on that jr. middle was his max, but at least he TESTED his limits, Floyd only touched jr. middle to get the superstardom from an older de la hoya, he would never had done that to a prime de la hoya at 154. You guys are claiming that a guy has to be a B*TCH promoter and avoid the good fighters and only fight fights that "make sense" b/c "boxers risk their life." Does that mean Mosley, Margarito, and Cotto "risk their life more" than Mayweather b/c they fight better fights and fighters than he does? All bull crap, hey SmileyC! I'm trying to read the "Moron's Desk Reference", where can I find that book? Pc! :)
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 10:25:24 AM
Fe'Roz :  No one....no fan, no promoter, no one...... does greater damage and/or undermines their own position and credibility than the man himself, Floyd Mayweather. Let the man's words speak for themselves. With that, I'll say no more.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 02:02:21 PM
DaveB:  I didn't hear anyone say that they wanted PBF to lose to a big name or anyone else, people just want to see him fight a big name and a big name at welter at that. That is what everyone is saying. All fans should demand that. I must be missing someone because I just don't see defending the guy. He could always take on better opposition so he could change all this.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 02:51:19 PM
DaveB:  **** missing something
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 02:52:22 PM
Reno:  This interview was funny, Floyd has a way of never answering a question when asked which frustrates ppl. The DJ was getting real mad because he refused to answer his question, which is a very simple question "Will you ever fight someone in your weight class?" That's why I wanna see Cotto win the Pacquaio fight, because he will be forced to fight either Mosely or Cotto. Here's hoping that Cotto wins in devastating fashion, so that Pacquaio isn't an option.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 03:08:49 PM
DaveB:  Mortcola, You are too smooth to move, brother. Great post.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 04:09:18 PM
Leftie:  For those that try to support Floyd with medical reasoning: If you agree and pander to philosophies of that nature, the sport ceases to be a sport and becomes a one-sided exhibition. And spare a thought for the health of the poor mismatched opponents who end up on the wrong end of beatings from heavier or younger cherry-pickers like Floyd. Put simply, the attempted justification of cherry-picking is a warped logic that is nonsensical and has no place in a noble sport.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 05:50:41 PM
Mortcola@daveb:  Its loyal fans like you who make me love my work, Dave. Because my work gives me time to spout off on TSW!
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 06:45:42 PM
swift:  Nice Article, I saw this a couple of days ago and started laughing!! The radio guy was giving it to him, and for all the people who keep defending this guy should watch the video themselves and see who PBF really is. A very insecure guy and you could here it come across in the interview...
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 08:15:05 PM
Marshall Jacksons:  Floyd jr hey boxing is a ugly business meaning one punch can end a fighters night as well as his career and his potential earning power boxers have to fight 22 professional fights before they make money and payoff everyone they owe. Floyd jr can't blame him for how he does, listen even this article keeps his name in the public think tank. Granted I would love to see Floyd jr fight the biggest and best boxing stars, but on one hand we like sustainability on the other hand we like competition.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 08:27:47 PM
kountedout:  a lot of the floyd guys here dont say much other then when you guys really disrespect the man an all he has done is win. floyd winning will keep people mad and hatin him. we will sit back an wait until the scenario unfolds and pacquiao, mosley or cotto steps into the frying pan because it will be hot on them with floyd dominating them with ease. anything can happen in a fight but im 100% sure floyd will dust those 3 off. thats easy work for him and you will see. i do think thats kind of a insult to duran comparing pacquiao to him. pacquiao is not as technically sound and not as tough physically as duran was.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 08:40:57 PM
swift:  kountedout - Do you think Pacquiao does not look for tough fights? The guy came up from 108 lbs and has fought (Ledwaba, Barerra who just beat hamed 2 years prior and Morales and Marquez all in their prime) and now he is fighting Cotto a guy who is a top two in the welterweight division!! I'm a paul williams fan, but i have so much respect for pacquiao for taking this fight. I love Duran, Pryor and Hearns to death, but Pacquiao has already proven he can be mentioned with those greats!
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 08:49:34 PM
kountedout:  swift - a lot can happen in 2 years. we all know hamed was a joke. are you telling me that nothing has been taken out of israel vasquez vs rafael marquez I II an III? vasquez should be in his prime at age 31 but the wear and tear on his body has done him in. he can no longer fight the real elite. thats what happen to morales, barrera by the time pacquiao got to them they had nothing left to give. after junior jones did a number on barrera, barrera ceased to be that all out fighter an became a boxer. a win is a win and thats what pacquiao did to them.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 09:33:50 PM
swift:  kountedout - you guys listen to the media to much! Barrera was a pound for pounder he looked great up until that fight. You can call Naseem anything you want but he was knocking people out and a heavy favorite over Barrera. Go look at boxing records to see who Barrera fought and beat before he got smoked by a moving up in weight Pacquaio. There was nothing wrong with Morales when they fought the first two times either, Morales beat Pac the first time and looked sharp, the second time pac was the better man. The third fight i will admit morales was shopworn and you could see from the beginning! If you think Marquez or Vasquez is easy pickings right now, you couldn't be more wrong.
Tuesday Nov 3, 2009 10:06:52 PM
kountedout:  swift - its apparent that you might be the one listening to the media rather then using your own 2 eyes and observing the fight. who did Naseem beat that was a great fighter? kevin kelley? i dont know if you understand what wars do to the body. each war takes away at least 3 to 5 fights out of you. raheem beat barrera then pacquiao beat morales after that.have you heard of the saying you get old in the ring or over night? go to boxing records and look at the hard fights barrera and morales had before they fought pacquiao. your mistaken about you not listening to the media
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 12:11:14 AM
MisterLee doing the Smiley C:  Pacquiao gave morales and barrera their first knockdown and knockout ever, fo' sho! He whooped oscar larios (who was much bigger), and beat marquez at his ideal weight. Pple making personal, illogical arguments instead of stick to boxing talk fo' certain!!!
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 09:08:13 AM
swift:  kountedout - What are you talking about, because barrera lost to junior jones he wasn't great anymore? He made a change for the good on how he approached fights. Going into the pacquiao fight he had beat morales in a rematch and kevin kelly, apagito sanchez and was considered a top five pound for pounder, and he was 29 years old. Everyone has an excuse when they lose, I have been watching boxing since the 70's my friend. So let me get this straight, do you give credit to tarver for beating roy jones or was roy on his last legs? when a guy doesn't lose for a couple of years or in Roy's case a decade and you beat him, you can't discard the victory. That's the problem with today's fighter, they have excuses when they lose, instead of admitting they lost and work toward a rematch. ps - I never said naseem was a great fighter, but he was a very good figher, until barrera took the fight out of him...
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 09:33:01 AM
kountedout:  swift - im not sayin barrera was not a great fighter at one time, he was not a great fighter by the time he fought pacquiao, neither was morales. once you get dropped or ko'd your invincibility is gone. i use to watch barrera at the forum fight and he would plow through everyone. remember the war with kennedy mckinney both fighters went down. mckinney, jones, sanchez,(barrera knocked down in all 3 fights), morales twice. those were all tough wars before he fought pacquiao. kevin kelly was already done as a fighter. considered a top five p4p fighter by who? the media an yet you dont listen to the media. yes i give credit to tarver for beating roy jones,jones had not been in tough fights. let me get this straight you dont think that israel vasquez in not a worn fighter? look at tyson. once buster douglas ko'd him he was never the same fighter. your right naseem was a good fighter. no skills but power and very awkward
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 10:05:24 AM
MisterLee:  Correction! Tyson was never the same fighter after his Cus' amato died, then later firing kevin rooney. the rest took place as a result. Holler!
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 10:17:38 AM
swift:  MisterLee - Some of these guys kill me, barrera was stopped once in his life and morales was never stopped before they fought pacquiao. Now all of a sudden they were over the hill. I'm not a big pacquiao fan, i enjoy his fights, but if you can't respect that he is searching for the best opponents throughout his career, you just don't like him! I watch boxing all the time even the guys who are like 115 and 112. I know some of the guys who he beat before he fought barrera, they were very good fighters... (ledwaba & lucero) not household names but not easy to beat! The funny thing about boxing is, you get guys who watch boxing and all they recognize are the big name fighters and swear that some people have never fought anyone. Take a look at James Toney for example he has a list of fighers on his resume that nobody wanted to fight (McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Prince Charles Williams...)
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 10:29:55 AM
swift:  kountedout - by the time barrera fought pacquaio he had lost two fights and one disputed lost to morales, which i thought and millions of others thought he won. So basically he lost to junior jones twice before fighting pacquiao, nothing was out there saying he looked shot! He didn't lose from 97-2003 that's when he met pac. After that he didn't lose again until 2007, so what in that time said that he was anywhere near shot. Just because a guy goes through wars that doesn't necessarily mean that it's over. As far as Morales, after he lost two times to pac he fought david diaz and a lot of people including me thought he won the fight, I will admit that the third fight he didn't look the same. But the second fight, he fought as well as I ever saw him fight, he just ran into a buzzsaw that night! I'm not sure if Vasquez is a worn fighter, i didn't see his fight. We will have to see, he took a lot of time off.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 10:45:53 AM
Jean-Pierre Pentreath:  what are floyd haters gonna say when he boxes & beats the winner of pac/cotto? that fight will take place
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 04:45:50 PM
kountedout:  misterlee - you are right, tyson was not the same fighter when cus died and when he fired rooney. im saying once a fighter gets ko'd his invincibility is gone. tyson won a lot of fights on intimidation.
Wednesday Nov 4, 2009 09:54:11 PM
kountedout:  swift - correction! he lost to morales in 2000. that fight was a war, did you see that fight? after that morales fight barrera started to fight even more passive. salud was old and a shot 37 year old when he fought barrera. kelly was 36. tapia was 35 and had terrible drug problems and remember tapia started at 115 and when he fought barrera, tapia was fat an slow at 126. nothing was out there saying barrera looked shot because it was being covered up by fighting other shot fighters and slow fighters. not saying if a guy goes through a war its over, if a guy goes through a war you dont know the damage that has ben done to him mentally an physically. morales was shot when he fought raheem. thats why he didnt win that fight. david diaz is not a good fighter at all. a fighter who is not that good can make a a shot fighter not look as bad until that shot fighter fights someone who is much fresher. what morales showed when he fought pacquiao the first time is that anyone who boxes well can easily beat him. i rooted for pacquiao when he fought barrera. can you tell me what are the symptoms of a shot fighter or when is a fighter past his prime
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 08:43:19 AM
swift:  kountedout - It's funny because I was going to ask you the same question about being shot. Did Hopkins look shot to you when he lost to Jermaine Taylor? Now at 44, he is still one of the best around. How about all the wars Mosley has been through and look at him in his last fight! He looked better than ever against Margarito! ps - Manny fought Morales after he fought Barrera, the first fight was in 2005. He fought Barrera in 03, Marquez in 04 and Morales 05. I did see the Morales fight, it was a great fight!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:20:16 AM
swift:  Jean Pierre - How about Mayweather step in with a legit Welterweight! How about Mosley?? The guy has as many excuses as any fighter I have ever seen. He won't fight some people because they have losses, but then turns and fights Baldomir who had double figure losses. He won't fight certain fighers because they lost to another fighter and he beat that figher... Then turns around and fights Judah right after Baldomir beat him! Mayweather is and always will be a coward! I have so much more respect for guys like cotto, williams, pacman, mosley for fighting anyone at anytime!!
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 10:25:33 AM
kountedout:  hopkins is not a shot fighter because he hasn't been in many wars or a war. name me a fight that hopkins was in that was a shoot out? a war? hopkins is like mayweather, his defense is that good that he dont have to get in wars even with good or great fighters. but hopkins is past his prime. he beat pavlik because pavlik is a 1 handed fighter that didnt have footwork or know how to move his head. experience and skills beat pavlik. i also said to you that a fighter that is not that good will make a fighter that is shot or past his prime look like he still has it. hopkins didnt look good against calzaghe. because calzaghe has something that hopkins an old fighter dont want to see. speed! thats why hopkins was leary of taylor. if you want to see mosley look old wait put him in the ring with floyd and after that you will say mosley is past his prime. if you have several losses-baldomir- and you beat a fighter who was 34-2 for the wbc title what should another fighter do. not challenge for the title because the champion has 9 losses. judah couldnt beat him so floyd should have said since judah couldnt beat your for the title i will not fight for the title. i want to fight a better fighter. baldomir didnt beat judah on luck. you dont win a 12 round decision on luck. you can get a lucky knockout but you dont win 12 round championships by luck. floyd has never fought for a vacant title ever. what will you say when that coward beats manny, cotto and mosley. it is going to happen
Thursday Nov 5, 2009 02:31:25 PM
Anonymous user:  I like Floyd alot, but he consistantly shoots himself in the foot. It's not just about money if you want to be considered an all time great. If he took on at least two of these guys (Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Pacquiao, Cotto) he would garner much more respect. He'll probably take on Cotto asap now hes's been givin' too BAD!!! beating's. I consider Pacman so far an above Floyd it's not funny. He's the real champ and the peoples champ. at the end of the day, a fan doesn't give a shit how much his/her favorite boxer earns, as long as they take on the best. Win, Lose or draw. Step up Floyd!
Sunday Nov 15, 2009 05:14:00 PM
312GoldenGloves:  I wasn't familiar with The Rugged Man until I heard this interview. This guy is impressively knowledgable about boxing and isn't afraid to say what the fans are thinking. We don't get this kind of honesty from most of the "experts" on TV from ringside. I'd love to see RA alongside Brian Kenny for a seg on FNFs when it comes back.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 07:46:47 PM

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