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Sunday Oct 25, 2009


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UFC 104: Lyoto Machida Beats Shogun, Velasquez Wins Too

By David A. Avila

LOS ANGELES-Lyoto Machida protected his hold on the light heavyweight world title according to the judges, but most fans felt Mauricio “Shogun” Rua won the fight after five tactical and deliberate rounds on Saturday.

 

People packed the Staples Center that was across the street from a local radio station’s attempt to break the world record for most people dancing to Michael Jackson’s Thriller at L.A. Live, but many of the more than 16,000 fans in the arena were disappointed that Rua lost to Machida.

 

All except for Ashton Kutcher, who openly commented to Demi Moore as they passed press row that, “No way Machida lost.” The judges agreed with Kutcher.

 

After five tense and strategic rounds of kicks and counters, Machida won a close unanimous decision but lost two rounds. All three judges scored it 48-47.

 

The crowd that included Demi Moore and Janet Jackson booed the decision.

 

“We had three judges,” argued Machida after the scores of 48-47 were read.

 

Rua was the aggressor throughout the tactical fight that saw Machida avoid throwing more than one or two blows at a time. The first round pretty much told the story as the two Brazilians fought standing up.

 

“Lyoto is a good fighter,” said Rua, who is the first UFC fighter to win a round against Machida. “I feel I won the fight. What can I do?”

 

The challenger continually landed with vicious kicks to the leg and body while Machida scooted to safety.

 

“I trained for a 1,000 kicks a day,” said Rua, who comes from Sao Paolo, Brazil. “That was the main strategy.”

 

Machida used well-timed counters to score with his left cross or with his left knee to the chest. The lack of exchanges left the crowd unsatisfied.

 

“It was the most physical fight I had in UFC,” said Machida, who had a busted lip suffered in the last round during a heavy exchange.

 

Both fighters raised their hands. In press row the majority of reporters felt Rua had won, but not all.

 

Velasquez vs. Rothwell

 

In the co-main event, Cain Velasquez did better than expected in his Los Angeles debut.

 

Velasquez (7-0) arrived with most of the crowd support and overwhelmed veteran Ben Rothwell (30-7) with his wrestling skills and ground and pound attack. It didn’t take long for the Mexican-American hopeful to show the fans that he was much more than hype. In the same arena where a Mexican heavyweight hopeful had failed to attain success in boxing, another found it much more fruitful in MMA.

 

“I trained hard for this fight,” said Velasquez, a former All American wrestler from Arizona State who sparkled with his wrestling moves. Rothwell never had a chance on the ground and couldn’t land a significant punch standing up.

 

In the first round Velasquez tossed Rothwell around several times and picked him up to throw him down again when the veteran attempted to escape. Rothwell withstood some big punches but couldn’t zero in on the smaller but faster fighter.

 

Velasquez immediately started the second round like the previous frame and took Rothwell down again. When the bigger guy attempted to get up he was pinned against the cage and slammed with six punches to the head. Referee Steve Mazzagatti stopped the fight at 58 seconds of the round.

 

Rothwell complained when the fight was stopped.

 

“It could have gone on,” said Velasquez, who did not want to disrespect the veteran Rothwell who was standing by. “I was ready.”

 

The winner was tentatively scheduled to face the UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar should he beat Shane Corwin next month.

 

Stevenson vs. Fisher

 

Victorville’s Joe “Big Daddy” Stevenson (36-10) finally returned close to home and made the most of it with a convincing victory over Iowa’s Spencer Fisher (24-5) in a lightweight bout. Stevenson used his experience in big fights to manipulate a take down and also maneuver to a position to rain down a dozen elbows on Fisher. The Iowa fighter tapped out at 4:03 of the second round.

 

“I haven’t fought in Southern California since I was 18,” said Stevenson, who now trains in New Mexico.

 

Tibau vs. Neer

 

Brazil’s Gleison Tibau (30-6) seemed to play with Iowa’s Josh Neer (25-9-1) for two rounds as he showed a variety of take downs. It seemed he could take him down whenever he wanted and decided to make it a high priced sparring match. But weariness slowed down the Brazilian and Neer was effective in the third round. It just wasn’t enough. The judges scored it 30-37 twice and 29-28 for Tibau.

 

Johnson vs. Yoshida

 

In a fight expected to be a toss up, San Jose’s Anthony Johnson (8-2) blasted away Japan’s Yoshiyuki Yoshida (11-4) in 41 seconds with quick lefts and rights that pierced the Japanese fighter’s guard in a welterweight bout held over the 170-pound weight limit. After a right cross dropped Yoshida, referee Steve Mazzagatti stopped the fight immediately.

 

“I saw a big face in front of me and I decided to hit it,” said Johnson, who was six pounds over weight. “I’m sorry UFC, I’m sorry fans for being overweight.”

 

Bader vs. Schafer

 

Arizona’s Ryan Bader (11-0) proved too strong for Milwaukee’s Eric Schafer (13-4-2) in a three round light heavyweight contest. All three judges scored it for Bader, a former All-American wrestler in college.

 

Prelims

 

A fight between teacher and pupil ended with Pat Barry (5-1) knocking out his former mentor Antoni Hardonk (8-6) with a straight right and left that dropped him to the floor. Once down on the ground Barry caught him with a perfect right that forced referee Josh Rosenthal to stop the heavyweight fight at 2:30 of the second round.

 

“That meant more than anything in the world to me,” said Barry who fights out of Milwaukee. “Looping punches don’t work all of the time. Straight punches work against taller guys.”

 

A middleweight battle between two highly technical fighters ended in a win by unanimous decision for Oregon’s Chael Sonnen (25-10-1) over Japan’s Yushin Okami (24-5). Though Sonnen won all three rounds according to the judges, they were each hotly contested, but it was Sonnen’s aggressiveness that proved beneficial in a fight that was won standing up.

 

“I went right after him,” said Sonnen. “Yushin doesn’t rush the action but he’s always ready to fight. But he definitely hit me hard.”

 

Massachusetts fighter Jorge Rivera (17-7) pummeled and bloodied Missouri’s Rob Kimmons (22-5) for two of three rounds of a middleweight fight. At 1:53 of the third the referee stopped the fight for a technical knockout victory for Rivera.

 

“I really worked hard for this fight,” said Rivera. “I have three kids to feed. My biggest fear is not being able to provide for them.”

 

San Jose’s Kyle Kingsley (8-2) did just a little bit more than Razak Al-Hassan (7-2) and captured a split-decision after three rounds in a light heavyweight bout. The judges scored it 29-28 twice for Kingsley and 29-28 for Al-Hassan. All three rounds were spent on the ground or in a clinch.

 

Stefan Stuve (22-3) used his height advantage well against the stockier Chase Gormley (6-1) in a heavyweight fight that went back and forth. But a surprise triangle hook at 4:04 by Stuve forced Gormley to tap out.

 

“He gave it away and I went for it,” said Stuve. “Keep looking out for me.”

 

 

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MisterLee:  Watching the fight as we speak. wow! didn't think rua had it in him! where's ultimo? Pc!
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 01:14:43 AM
the Roast:  My peeps at Savage Science had it 4 to 1 Shogun. Hey Caveman, did you see that the Eggman has come back to us? You made the hand off and Eggs ran with it. Hai-YAA!!
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 01:21:55 AM
MisterLee:  Eggs is good at getting the first down. Ladies and gentlemen, sexy is back!!!
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 11:40:14 AM
AFN:  I'd just said to my mate, The one thing this sport has over boxing is that there is rarely a bad decision. Then whammo. Rua won this fight clearly, as obvious a 4-1 as you could get. Poor decision that soured the fight. And I was rooting for Machida. Anderson Silva, boring as he is , would make easy work of both of them. EL TOONOY
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 11:58:42 AM
MisterLee @ AFN:  Tho i haven't seen this fight yet, i still think machida is p4p best. Silva would not be able to handle machida's ultimate control of distane and timing. Holler!
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 01:04:22 PM
MisterLee:  Silva only fights to the level of his competition. Put him one weight class higher and agst a decent opponent... Forrest Griffin... spectacular knockout...
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 01:05:07 PM
MisterLee:  Wow! I'm a fan of Lyoto, happy for him to be the best fighter of Asian Descent in the UFC history. However, Rua laid an arse-whoopin' on this guy. What a decent fight plan, using his legs to beat up the legs and body of machida as opposed to getting in a hand gun fight. Lyoto was beat up so bad. i could score it 4-1 or even 5-0 for rua, b/c every time machida had a good combination, rua would come right back wtih a thigh kick or a roundhouse kick to the body. i also saw half way thru the fight machida lost confidence in his power b/c he hit rua many times flush and rua did not react b/c he has a great chin. what an amazing fight. i have a feeling the rematch will be even better! Holler! immediate rematch! holler!
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 02:49:22 PM
Isaiah:  Sorry, Pacquiao/Cotto 24/7 part 1 was on the same night and therefore I automatically couldn't care about anything UFC related. If anyone wants to tell me that this event was on a different time, tell them I don't care. If Pacquiao and Cotto would have entered the UFC stadium, the UFC fighters would have collapsed from exsposure to pure AWESOMENESS!!! I can just imagine if the Governator was there, he'd be like, "Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here!!!" Yes, I know that's not the saying by the way, don't care. Just wanted to post.
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 08:55:09 PM
brownsugar:  very ironic,. I was hearing so much about Machida,.. and I don't even watch a whole lot of MMA,.. just when he starts to get the adolation and respect of the fans and media alike,.. he has an extremely close fight when most expected him to shine,.. but that's the fight business...
Sunday Oct 25, 2009 09:53:28 PM
KillarV:  As I read the comments and the media, I see that Machida was punching more face and Rua more body or leg. Sorry for this, and I know a lot of haters will critisize this post. Body, and especially leg kicks is not as effective as well placed blows to the face. PS.. Fighting experience.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 01:53:24 AM
JaketheSnake:  To me, the fight was fantastic! Guys when can you see a fight where two top practitioners of two very different fighting styles duke it out? People will always debate how would a karate guy do against a boxer, or how would a taekwondo blackbelt fare against a muay thai leg kick specialist. This fight featured two "pure" representatives of their art (Karate for Machida and Muay Thai for Rua) and they both represented flawlessly. In the UFC nowadays, you don't get fights like these because of the grappling. In this fight, the grappling was a just threatened by both sides to keep the strikes honest, i.e. no wild, off balanced punches or kicks. Machida demonstrated the good footwork and single strike precision of karate, while Rua showed off the excelent athleticism and the more brutal, in-your-face fighting style of muay thai.There was even a sequence that looked like it came out of a fighting game: Rua leaping for a beautiful body kick, while Machida executed a lighting left straight counter to the face. That half second sent chills down my spine!
Monday Oct 26, 2009 02:20:53 AM
ultimoshogun:  Shogun got robbed... he had the perfect gameplan for Machida's style and clearly did the most damage. At least Dana promised him an immediate rematch though.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 10:02:28 AM
Frank Z @ Misterlee:  I agree Rua did win, though i had it pretty close, 3-2 for Rua, thought he took rounds 2, 4, and 5. I guess you can make the argument that lyoto might have taken one of those rounds, but Rua did well to work the body for the latter rounds, which brings me to my question of why don't more UFC guys work the body? I can found on my hand the number of times i've seen high level guys go for body shots on the feet. i also just want to say that it's annoying to hear guys like joe rogan give off the vibe that machida's style is so unique and unorthodox to MMA. the days of PRIDE, pancrase, and shootboxing in japan have a lot of kempo, karate, and chinese martial arts stylists who base their other MMA training off of that. it's nothing new to see "traditional" styles in MMA, and it's what irritates me about most UFC fans, who somehow think that muay thai is the only "eastern" martial art that can be applied in MMA. In the end, it's great to see RUa back, i remember seeing him destroy arona and overeem in 2005, and he's still young at 27.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 10:59:09 AM
CASTRO:  Rua got straight up ROBBED! Don't care what ya'll think. The crowd even knew it. Including Joe Rogan & Dana White. Machida did ok but Rua stole the show! Machida would seriously get his a$$ whooped against Lesnar or Silva. IMO Machida is a bunch of hype but only time will tell. So I say bring on the rematch or let him fight Silva or Cain Velazquez next. Either way I see Machida losing.....real soon! Pc out fellas!
Monday Oct 26, 2009 11:28:17 AM
Frank Z@ Casto:  lol... you don't care what we think? we don't care what you think either then.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 12:08:23 PM
MisterLee @ Frank Z:  Good to see someone respecting the traditional styles. I practice Chinese Martial arts and have been a big fan of that, MMA, and jujitsu for some time. I would really like to learn submission wrestling and BJJ someday. Also, i hate listening to joe rogan and the announcers commentate. They really dont' know how to commentate b/c they don't practice mratial arts. Every comment is a "good leg kick" "classic muay thai style" etc. They seemed to favor rua in the announcing even tho machida had some great moments. If boxing commentary from merchant or atlas is a "10", I'd give UFC commentating a "2". Very unintelligent banter, calling MMA "our sport" when it's really "their sport" b/c it s the practitioners who created it, not the stupid announcers. I would argue with one or two of you, but i don't like to argue with fans who don't know better. A list of pple on machida's resume including Rich Franklin's first loss by knockout (the other being by anderson silva), rashad evans (who was undefeated), tito ortiz, vernon white, stephen bonnar, and BJ Penn (a MMA legend), and a loss to Rua (IMO). No on called Rua all hype when he lost to a mediocre fighter in Forrest Griffin (whom Machida would KO in last than 2 mins). Machida, anderson silva, and now Rua i feel are in a class in their own, and GSP sort of. Pc!
Monday Oct 26, 2009 08:32:41 PM
MisterLee:  Also, having gone 15-0 in his MMA career, Machida has also never lost a round in his career until this fight. A lesson to all fighters, no fighter can go undefeated after a period of time when constantly facing the best *cough cough*
Monday Oct 26, 2009 08:35:05 PM
Frank Z @MisterLee:  Yeah I was into Taekwondo and wushu before taking up boxing in college, so I definitely think of myself as a martial artist than just a boxer, boxing's a martial art anyway. I never understood why people think karate or Chinese styles don't work. at the end of the day a hard punch is a hard punch, a solid kick is a solid kick, doens't have to carry the Muay Thai mystique or any of that crap to knock someone out. Joe Rogan just encourages the roughneck types of fans who want to see human cockfighting, i hate to paraphrase john mccain but that's what a lot of the less informed fans are there to see. People here in the states need to realize that MMA has a long history in Asia, South America, and Europe, just not always in the form it's in today. Joe Rogan's gotten better, but he still knows jack about the different disciplines. whenever two guys stand up and trade punches he'll talk about how good one guy's boxing is, when yhou dont' even see basic stuff like head movement and body punching. it's part of why guys' names can flame out so quickly, cause these announcers in their ignorance hype the dudes up to mystical status and then they get whooped. chuck liddell losing to rampage the second time was a "huge upset", when in fact it was probalby chuck who wondered if he could beat rampage, not the other way around. Mayweather and Hopkins are wrong to just blanket MMA guys with the statement that they're unskilled brutes, but actually for a lot of guys in the UFC i can't argue that, and it's why a specialist like machida, after obtaining an all around game on top of what he's already got, can do so well. in rua you're also seeing a guy who's been doing muay thai since he was 15, and trains with chute boxe who's turned out hard free swingers, plus the dude's just a sick athlete. anyways, i really look forward to this rematch.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 09:49:22 PM
MisterLee @ Frank Z:  Awesome! I do wushu and yi quan. THat's what guys like joe diesel or chris leben even have a career at all. they can beat mediocre fighters with pizazz, but get whooped by top competition. see silva vs. leben? Hilarious. I really liked how Nick diaz dropped frank shamrock with a body shot. it was a beau! Holler!
Monday Oct 26, 2009 10:07:05 PM
Frank Z@MisterLee:  Yeah i saw that fight, leben was talking so much trash to silva too, you can't talk trash that specific and then have the exact opposite happen lol. i gotta say i got excited when diaz dropped shamrock with that right hand body shot, though i hope diaz doesn't think about trying to go against the top supermiddleweight boxers... diaz vs arthur abraham? nighty night nick. i think we'll see an increase in sophistication in the UFC as they try to catch up to the level PRIDE was at, with guys like Silva, Machida, Rua, GSP, and BJ Penn leading the way. look slike penn's finally gonna not come into a fight soft and flabby.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 10:26:48 PM
MisterLee @ Frank Z:  Nah, i think it's the next level of MMA fighters: level 1: BJJ rules level 2: stand up pple learn some ground game level 3: ground fighters need to learn stand up and rule (tito ortiz, randy couture level 4: high level specialists rule, particularly great stand up guys with decent ground game: Chuck Liddell, Sakuraba (the exception), Rampage Jackson, Rua, Machida, Anderson Silva, Rich Franklin for a while, GSP. The time of Matt Hughes is done. Until ground fighters become top level strikers as well, the striking domination will continue. Yeah nick diaz would get his arse whooped, he's way too slow and weak to fight a real contender. Holler! Nice talking with you!
Monday Oct 26, 2009 11:02:55 PM
ultimoshogun@ Frank Z and MisterLee:  I don't think the UFC will ever get to the level of PRIDE's sophistication as long as they allow elbow strikes. One thing that you saw in PRIDE was slick submissions....you hardly see that in a UFC fight. Bas Rutten has said this on Inside MMA.... when your in someones guard and wanna deliver effective punches you have to posture up and create some distance which puts you at risk at getting caught. With elbow strikes fighters don't have to posture up and can land elbows at close range. I hope someday the unified rules here in the states get changed to make for better fights. You seldom see fighters get KO'd with elbow strikes...all they're really good for is cutting someone's head and face. I've seen alot more guys get KO'd by hammer fists than elbows. Frank Z, I agree with you about UFC fighters not attacking the body and legs enough....its too bad Mirko Crocop was past his prime when he arrived in the UFC. He was a pure killer in his PRIDE days. Anyway I'm really lookin forward to the rematch...I'm still confident Shogun can do it again. Laters fellas.
Tuesday Oct 27, 2009 01:08:49 PM
CASTRO:  CASTRO@Frank Z: Come on now....of course I care what you & all the other peeps think! lol my bad! I should have said "no matter what ya'll think"! hahaa TSS rules!!! Can't wait for Nov 14th.....can you?!?!? My $$$ is on Cotto.
Tuesday Oct 27, 2009 01:14:35 PM
Frank Z @Casto:  lol i hear you, i'm ready for this fight.... though i have to give an edge to pacquiao right now.
Tuesday Oct 27, 2009 09:03:05 PM
MisterLee @ ultimoshogun:  I'm missing the foot stomps shogun had the best! Also, you gotta admit, tho pride had the best fighters, their average fighters were lower level than the average fighter in UFC. Watching a Pride event with no names equals bum fights. Cheers to your fighter who "won" the fight. He had an excellent game plan and chin. Pc!
Wednesday Oct 28, 2009 09:05:46 PM
ultimoshogun@MisterLee:  Yep, head stomps, soccer kicks, knees to a grounded opponent...those were the days.
Thursday Oct 29, 2009 01:57:08 PM

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