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"Fight, Because You Will Get No Favors"
By Pete Carvill
At the Froch-Dirrell post-fight press conference, Gary Shaw tried to put a positive face on the night.
“I know I had the youngest fighter in the fight and in the tournament,” Shaw said, “I still believe that he's the best, I still believe that he's the most athletic and he's certainly proved, today, that he's a champion. Although we're not walking out with two points or the WBC green belt, Andre proved that he can go ten, eleven, twelve championship rounds – and win them. The lesson, and I guess that it's Andre's lesson, is that when you come over on someone else's territory and they are the champion, you have to win convincingly or you are going to lose. And we didn't do that tonight – not in the eyes of two of the judges. I believe, personally, that we won a close fight.”
The fight was close – even, if only on, the scorecards. The majority of the media present at ringside had scores with margins of three to six points in favour of Froch. Many admitted during the fight and its aftermath that they had scored that way by dint of the visitor's unwillingness to stand and trade, an approach colloquialised as 'negativity'.
Froch, graciously, conceded his opponent's skills, physical attributes and agreement to travel while admitting that the first two of those caused a discordant match-up of styles that never truly went on fire.
“It was dissatisfying for someone like myself,” he said, “who's a warrior and likes to get involved in a bit of a fight and have a bit of a trade-off. I like an opponent to sit there, stand and fight, I think Mikkel Kessler will do that more – stand and give the fans and television viewers what they want.”
Certainly, Dirrell should quickly learn the rule for travelling into enemy territory: Fight, because you will get no favors.
In brief moments, Dirrell turned that switch on and, for those few seconds, looked marvellous: fast, powerful, skilled and punching at volume. At times, his left hand – particularly the hook – was beautiful. Yet the breaks in between, which often stretched to a round or two, were enough to turn the crowd and, most importantly, two thirds of those officially judging the contest against him.
A criticism of Dirrell, however, is not praise for Froch because, despite the win, the champion looked not only frustrated at the absence of the tear-ups that had defined the fights against Pascal and Taylor, but he also possessed seemingly little idea of how to negotiate the speed and movement, or inclination to dance around the ring of his challenger.
Despite the occasional occurrence when punches were thrown and caught, the pattern was set early on with Froch stalking his opponent and looking to land big shots while Dirrell either moved out of range (throwing little) or held on (throwing nothing at all). This led to the deduction of a point from Dirrell for excessive holding in a round that he seemed to be winning, a penalty that Gary Shaw, pointing to Froch's rabbit-punching and the absence of stern warnings from the referee, took issue with.
“I don't believe that the point taken away for holding was holding,” Shaw declared. “Andre wasn't holding – he was pushing and taking his opponent into the ropes which is defensive posture. He absolutely was not holding. There were no stern warnings or point deductions for numerous rabbit punches from Froch and I had a discussion with the referee in the locker room prior to us going out when he came and give us our instructions. I told him I was concerned about rough fighting from Froch – certainly, the rabbit punches.”
It was unfortunate that the negativity towards Dirrell should follow into the press conference. However, due to the lack of security after the event, one idiot slipped into the room and feeling brave enough to taunt an exhausted and demoralised man who had suffered his first loss after being engaged in combat for an hour, took the opportunity of a buffer of fifty people and the anonymity of the crows to launch an attack disguised as a question.
More positively, the night began establishing the front runner in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. There was talk, theoretical at the time, beforehand that retirement would be an option for Jermain Taylor should he be knocked out again. That he was, and it was a heavy one that caused hospitalisation. The blow Abraham took him out with was enough to raise questions about the Arkansas fighter's ability to further participate in the tournament.
Score-wise, Abraham is now highest placed with three points, followed by Froch with two. Should Kessler beat Ward – and he should do, most likely by points – the implication is that the tournament will take on a Euro-centric air. Which, considering the already-parlous state of the Americans in the competition, begs interesting questions as to how the US public will stay with the concept?
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Chuck Norris:
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Chuck Norris already won this tournament when all six of these fighters where in my backyard and I blinked, causing them to all instantly be knocked out. This tournament will be for second place. Chuck Norris talks in the third person because that is the way of the Norris.
Monday Oct 19, 2009 10:16:07 PM
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MisterLee:
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Ward will whoop some kessler ARse! Kessler won't be able to handle the speed, combinations, nor range of skills ward is gonna pull out of his bag! He fought a rough and brawl style with miranda, then he CHANGED his style, and fought like floyd mayweather agst pudwill, showing his shoulder rolling, crowding his opponent with his left shoulder and right guard, then letting left hooks rip, then his triple and quadruple hooks he must have got from watching roy jones vs. lacy video, and the occassional fast head snaps back and counter which he learned probably from watching Ali videos. We really don't know what Ward will come out on nov. 14th b/c he doesn't have a style and can adapt like water. He'll whoop Kessler. WIth Dirrell, i think you're right, he really stunk up the fight a good part of the time, but froch was resourceful and resorted to rough housing, punching on the clinch, even fouling, and tearing up the body agst the ropes whenever he caught him. Boxing and slick boxing is ONLY beautiful if you can COUNTER effectively and continuously throughout the fight, the fact that it was only OCCASSIONLLY and few and far in between during the fight caused the fight to be a real stinker: froch only had occasional punches inside or pushing on the ropes, dirrell had a few moments of success before sliding more, then dirrell had a late fight rally but couldn't finish the job in round 12, or maybe it was b/c froch has good stamina and a champions heart, as they said in mosley margarito: "both men are forces of nature, whenever one guy starts to dominate the fight, the other will not let that happen and will then take over the fight". Same with froch, he don't back down to no one. There were a few moments that froch was lost, but not that many, especially since dirrell doesn't throw! not like he has a stamina problem, so what's his problem? He fought to a competitive draw in my opinion if you take away the stupid deduction, and don't add a deduction for Froch's rabbit punches, but sheesh, dirrell, you stunk up about 4-5 rounds of that fight! Throw more, it was worse than watching Floyd vs. Oscar fight. Good job guys, i hope there's more thunder in the ward fight, and super Six round 2. Holler! Keep the articles rolling! holler!
Monday Oct 19, 2009 10:27:47 PM
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MisterLee @ TSS U:
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Who's pete carvill? Is this Fe'roz's first assignment? Tss rules! Go Fe'roz, i think. And of course all is good and fine, Andre Ward 2009! Holler!
Monday Oct 19, 2009 10:30:28 PM
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MisterLee's scores..:
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well this is how i scored the fight: 10-9 froch 10-9 dirrell 10-9 dirrell 10-9 dirrell 10-9 dirrell 10-9 froch 10-9 froch 10-9 froch 10-9 froch 10-9 dirrell (9-9) 1 point deducted for each, 9-8 dirrell (tho in reality it was 9-9 b/c froch got hometown deduction) 10-9 dirrell 10-9 froch froch 60 + 54 Decision: 114-113 dirrell 54 + 59 113. I gave Froch rounds 1, 6-9, and round 12 due to his late rally. I gave dirrell rounds 2-5 (4 and 5 were some real good rounds), rounds 10 & 11, and winning round 12 but Froch came back late and took it back closely in my opinion.
Monday Oct 19, 2009 10:32:34 PM
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brownsugar:
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And don't you forget this one thing,... Ain't no damn mercy in the Ring,... that's a tentative title for a poem my fiance' and I are doing ..But like the article says,.. going into the champs hometown,.. there's a certain etiquette to follow,.. Steve Cunningham who goes to Europe frequently for the good paydays knows this,.. #1 IF you are being fouled,.. only one motion with the glove to indicate the fouled area is necessary,.. #2,.. finish every round strong,.. even if it's a shoeshine,.. #3,.. never make a complaint if punches are still traveling in your direction. fight back instead..#4,.. if the fouls are agregis,.. let your corner argue with the ref between rounds,.. #5,.. faking a guy out of his jock strap and making him crash into the ring post looking like a fool is good,.. but only if you capitolized by bringing some offense against the out of positon opponent,.. That being said,.. I didn't see Carl make hardly any meaningful connections other than a Judo throw,.. Dirrell was his own worst enemy that night,..he should have gotten the win,. but he made it extremely difficult for the judges to give him the fight in Frochs hometown,...(not fair,. but you know that's the way it is) if he can discipline himself in the future,.. then that's half the battle.
Monday Oct 19, 2009 11:34:54 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Mister Lee:
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Coach EM want his prospects to work themselves up slowly and learn the trade. So far we've talked about covering some lesser fights and some equally important issues. One idea we played with was recipes for Crow. When I told him I needed travel expenses to Silver Springs, he tabled the idea. When I proposed covering Manny's training in Bagiauo City, he once again suggested I look into Manny's diet. After checking Orbitz for the lowest fares, he said I should check out Philippina Fare from home. Man seems obsessed with food. Seems like a cookbook might be in the works. pc
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 04:22:00 AM
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mabii:
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For a kid with eighteen pro fights the kid (Direll) did good. He needs to get physically stronger to truly be a force in the super middle division. He also needs to learn how to fight effectively in the pocket which I believe he can do. Conditioning seems okay. He got his secon wind around the 10th which is what I expect from a well conditioned fighter - if not then he certainly knows how to fight "tired" as Emmanuel Steward would say. I wanted him to go to the body more especially when he has an opponent hurt. I actually think he does have some pop in his shots and he is so quick that he can stun his opponents with his speed. Looking forward to him fighting Abraham. If he adjusts and learns from this experience I expect him to beat Abraham.
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 04:30:01 AM
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Steadadelica:
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Carvill. If you can't stand the heat get out the game. No more whining, please. If your going to alude a quote in the post fight conference, let us know which one and what was said, instead of placing your self as the arbitor of inquisitive justice, and just condeming it? Can we judge our selves?
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 06:27:09 AM
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bill major:
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i had dirrell out pointing froch in a super boring fight. the guy hasnt learned how to fight without holding.thats not going to fly for the public or the judges. these guys dont learn the basics. its more than speed & athletics.another instance of a fighter with all the talent in the world but either dosent know how to use it or wont use it to its fullest.
my pick is kesseler over ward,hes a hell of a fighter and going to get better.
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 07:51:18 AM
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MisterLee @ Fe'roz:
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Fe'roz boma ye! You can do it! you're the real thing, not some hype job like JT! Holla!
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 09:02:37 AM
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rudy:
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You score on punches landed, round by round. Pressing forward means nothing if you arent landing anything.
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 10:00:27 AM
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MisterLee :
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Slipping and sliding don't mean SH$T if you don't counter more than once a minute unless it rocks the opponent. Floyd mayweathers knows how to score points and counter REGULARLY. DIrrell was running 80% of the fight, froch hit him with a few bombs, and dirrell didn't come strong until the end of the 10th, but couldn't finish him off b/c even tho froch hurt, outskilled, and fatigued, he had a warriors heart (and that killer rabbit punch!)
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 10:37:14 AM
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RG - getting ready to hit the pit:
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NEWS FLASH! Andre "SOG"s Ward is going box Kesser super silly. Kesser was shut out by Italian Dragon JK. The Pride of Wales Calzaghe put a sorching on that arse. OakTown Ward is going to put fire on that arse. As for Dirrell, don't be surpised to see him throw punches on Abraham that JT didn't. King Arthur is very vulnerable. JT made him look better than he (King Arthur)is. King Arthur is either going to kayo Dirrell early or get badly "outfoxed (and) outboxed." Holla!
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 11:49:52 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Rudy:
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This may be the only fight where a round was awarded to a fighter who both pressed.....and fell....forward without hitting anything. Fascinating really. Must be mind-reading judges. Scoring points for bad 'intentions'.
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 12:35:39 PM
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rudy:
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Exactly Fe'roz, you dont score rounds on the basis that he was going to land a punch or hurt him with a punch which NEVER landed.
Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 01:53:50 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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