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Saturday Oct 17, 2009

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Super Smackdown: Arthur Abraham Takes Out Jermain Taylor In The 12th

By Michael Woods

Anyone familiar with Murphy's Law and boxing had a feeling that it wouldn't be too far into the Showtime Super Six super middleweight series before something happened that would throw the equilibrium of the tournament off. Indeed, in the  opener on Saturday in Berlin, Arthur Abraham knocked out Jermain Taylor with just six seconds to go in their 12 round bout. This represents the third time Taylor has been stopped in his last five outings, and surely the fighter and those close to him will consider retirement. The 31-year old Taylor started strong, with a jab-based attack. But as has been his way, he lost steam, and his foe didn't. The 29-year-old Berliner Abraham turned in a steady, if unspectacular showing, until the 12th, when he went for broke, and hit the jackpot, Taylor's chin. A right hand came behind a hook, and exploded on the American's chin, sending him to the mat. The ref began the count, with 15 seconds left, but saw that the loser was in no shape to continue.

The official end came at 2:54, and everyone was happy to see Taylor stand up on his own power after a spell.

The Germany-based Abraham went to 31-0, while the pugilistic pride of Arkansas, Taylor,  is now 28-4. Taylor told the media that this time, he was in proper shape, and their would be no repeat of his late fade against Carl Froch in his last bout, also a last minute stoppage loss. But there was not much if anything different about the American, and TSS has to wonder if he'll go ahead with his second scheduled Super Six fight. After, Abraham said he was aiming for a KO the whole time, and said he was just waiting for the prefect opportunity. The victor said Taylor hit "not so hard," and then mentioned his scheduled foe in fight two, Andre Dirrell. He hasn't yet scouted Dirrell, he said, but would be starting now. Steve Farhood talked to Taylor after. The loser said that he wasn't sure if he was winning or losing going into the last round. "He just caught me, he's a very strong fighter," he said. "A loss is a loss to me," he said, but TSS sadly feels this is not the case. A KO loss, another KO loss, indicates that quite possibly he should hang them up. He isn't taking blows the same way. We don't love to lobby guys to exit, but since too often their team won't make the hard call, sometimes it is incumbent upon keyboard tappers to exert some pressure.

In the first round, in front of a crowd of 14,000 at the 02 Arena, Taylor came out working the long jab. The upright Abraham dodged right crosses, and chose mostly to scout his foe, rather than start bombing immediately. A wide right told Taylor Abraham possessed pop, but the American kept on plan. He fired combos, and dug to the body as well. In the second, Abe was busier from the get go. Taylor landed a right uppercut to the testes which had Abe in pain, and needing a minute break. Taylor was the more mobile of the two. He threw and moved, but Abe closed the distance late, and scored smartly. In the third, Taylor's jab helped him dictate the terms of engagement, but we wondered if he could do this for 12 rounds? The crowd liked a few of Abe's rights, but Taylor could well have owned the first three rounds on the cards.

In the fourth, ref Lupe Garcia warned Taylor for straying low early. Abe's peekaboo guard kept him from taking anything too flush, but he wasn't moving his hands enough to impress the judges. Taylor's demeanor was the more fiery of the too; he seemed jazzed up, in a zone of aggression and focus. In the fifth, typically a better round for the frequently slow-starting Abraham, the Armenian-born hitter played catcher early. Was he looking to tire Taylor out, have him shoot his wad? JT slipped most of Abe's power shots nicely for most of the round, but it looked like he might be dialing in with the right late. In the sixth, Abe complained when JT strayed low, and the ref deducted a point. The shot might have been on the belt. It made sense for Taylor to aim downstairs, as Abraham covers his coconut effectively.

In the seventh, Taylor relied on the jab as his primary weapon, same as in the previous six. Would the judges give him credit for the non-power throws? The American's hand seemed slower, but his fire was still there. The men both banged each other behind the head, and indicated their anger. JT ate a left hook with seven seconds to go, after Abe sensed he was on the upswing. In the eighth, Abe's power attack had the crowd buzzing. His hands were lower, as he sensed Taylor wouldn't tag him with a meaningful launch. In the ninth, a right cross hurt Taylor. He held on, with two minutes to go. He regained his energy, and slammed home a right uppercut himself. The Taylor jab didn't have round one pep, to be sure. His left eye was puffed up.

In the tenth, Taylor jabbed, but at this juncture, it didn't have enough spice on it to bother Abraham in the least. And rarely did Taylor add an entree to the series of appetizers--it was jab, jab, move, and repeat. Where was the right hand, viewers and JT fans wondered. In the 11th, an Abraham flurry, delivered as Taylor was backed into a corner, had to impress the judges. In the 12th and final round, the ref warned Taylor for straying low, and once again, it didn't appear he was going south at all. Abe's shorts were wide open in the crotch, by the way, but he stayed on message, kept his hands high, and threw the occasional right cross with oomph. Two left hooks, and a lead right stung Taylor, as the fans smelled a late stop. Down went Taylor, off a hook-right combo. He was out, dazed, in a bad way, and the refstopped the count at seven.

SPEEDBAG Taylor suffered a concussion and went to the hospital after.

---Mikkel Kessler fights Andre Ward on Nov. 21 in the third stage one Super Six fight.

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Saul:  Great performance by Arthur Abraham. Spectacular KO and great performance. As for JT? well, better luck next fight. I do think Taylor showed more stamina in this fight that in his fight against Frock, he just got caught right between the guard.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 08:48:46 PM
Frank Z:  taylor's too shot mentally to continue being a top contender imo.... something needs to be done to turn him around, although i dont' see much hope for him at this stage in his career. i mean... what would his career have been if they never banned 15 round fights?
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 08:53:15 PM
Brownsugar:  AA did good,.. Taylor acted like he was just in there to nit pick and survive,.. he never exploited any counter shots and looked shell shocked from the first round,..never thru the right hand and rarely tried to hook behind AA's guard,.. neither was he agressive when an good opportunities became available......he suffered a concussion too,... his days are surely numbered,.. he should realy plan on retiring from the game... once you've been diagnosed with a concussion subsequent concussions can lead to serious brain trama,.. he's damaged good as far as the boxing world is concerned,.. but props for getting in the ring agains 4 tough champs in his last 4 fights,.. he doesnt need to prove anything,.. just get on with his life,...AA showed good resolve and an excellent fighting spirit,. why nobody takes the fight inside against him I'll never know,... NEXT...
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 09:40:05 PM
pete steward:  arthur should go back to 160lbs
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 09:49:33 PM
Fe'Roz :  Brownsugar, I agree completely. I watched their hands and although JT was faster and landed more, he seemed only interested in finishing the fight. Reminded me a bit of RJJ when he fought Antonio Tarver the second time. Not fighting to win so much as stay on his feet. I looked at his face in Round Ten and saw plenty of stamina and not enough determination. Also, he was oddly wearing the look of Meldrick Taylor, who despite his success against JCC, looked strangely as if it was he that was taking the beating. And it was. AA's power is damaging. His style rather awful. JT no longer has the confidence to fight at the elite level. He has sustained too much punishment.....and cannot tolerate much/if any more.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 09:53:08 PM
DaveB:  Taylor was looking pretty good for Jermaine Taylor I thought. He didn't have that herky jerky movement, which wastes a lot of energy, and was using his jab. His jab is not a great one by any means but he was doing an okay job with it. I didn't see that knockout coming this time. Up to that point Taylor wasn't hurt or holding on just trying to survive the last round. But even though it came as a surprise, it didn't come as a shock. I thought he fought pretty good although I thought Abraham would get the decision. I think Taylor should actually drop out of the tournament and I didn't think he should have been included in it from the beginning. I was sad to see him included when it was first announced because I was afraid something like this would happen. I think this will happen again and even a couple more times if he continues in the tournament. I guess it wouldn't be fair to have some other fighter come in at this point, and I don't know how they would go on with five but Taylor needs to go for his own safety. Abraham on the other hand is very strong. He didn't do much in the way of output but I am very interested in seeing him against some of the others. These fighters are the best but they all have their flaws and are all beatable and that makes it even more interesting.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:10:13 PM
Fistic Fury:  In all fairness to Taylor the reason he is getting knocked out now is not because he washed up, it's mainly because he's fighting better fighters and bigger punchers. Think about it, before the knockouts started (which was Pavlik 1) he had only took on cans and light punching classy fighters like Ouma, Hopkins twice, Winky and Spinks. Look who he's facing now, Pavlik, Froch, Abraham, all big punchers. So in my opinion it's not that his chin has become poor, it's that we're just finding out about it. Also for the record I think his place in the tournament should have gone to Bute...
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:16:07 PM
DaveB:  Fistic, You have a good point there. I never thought of Taylor as a class A fighter. The thing that put him on the map was fighting Hopkins. He had a good style to compete with Hopkins because he punches in enough volume, anyone who does that should win against Hopkins, and because Hopkins doesn't put hurt on anyone. Also Taylor just isn't good down the stretch, so if the other guy keeps coming with power the inevitable happens.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:23:46 PM
Fe'Roz @ Fistic fury:  True all of that. But I think there is another point here. JT has been damaged badly. He cannot take punches any longer. He is hospitalized with a severe concussion and short term memory loss. He sadly should step aside. This could end very badly.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:27:00 PM
Fistic Fury:  The reason I don't want him to step aside now is because I think it takes something away from the tournament. Maybe continuity. People might complain Abraham got to fight a weak link and the replacement would fight less fights etc. If I thought it was unsafe for Taylor to continue then definitely because fighter safety is paramount but I think he's okay to continue. Also with the stamina issue i'm surprised people are pin-pointing that as the reason he lost because he looked fresh enough before the knockout blow and there was only seconds left. Could it not just be that a very talented fighter with a questionable chin got hit with an absolute bomb on said chin and went to sleep???
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:50:01 PM
Frank Z@ Fe'Roz:  for real? he had short term memory loss and concussion? step aside NOW. this on top of what he's already taken will probably bear bad news for him as it is down the road.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 10:52:08 PM
Fe'Roz :  For Real. Lou DeBella told Dan Rafael that he will stay in the hospital for a few days as a precaution. This is a young man's life. There should be no trifling with it
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 11:14:06 PM
RG - from PI - I just got finished watching what I felt would happen:  I'm not the least bit surprised about Jermain Taylor. He has always been a creation of super hype, starting from the amateur days. I've said -- despite the hate raining down upon me -- over and over in this Universe that JT could never transfer over to being a professional top dawg. The know nothings, posers and faders called me every foul name that came to their sick ___. Like 95 percent of the time, I was right -- THOUGH! I will always stick to my guns. Again, JT is a cap-gun shooter trying to compete with big guns and big cannons. He has made some big money. It is time for him to exit, and maybe train amateurs back in his home state of Arkansas. Holla!
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 11:36:37 PM
Fe'Roz :  I guess the question now is "How Good is Arthur Abraham". Taylor was shot before this fight or at best a shadow of his better days. AA, for his part, hardly throws enough punches to win a round......and arguably might still have lost if he had not caught JT at the end. That is assuming of course that the fight was not in Berlin.
Saturday Oct 17, 2009 11:50:05 PM
Fe'Roz :  Comfort is a feeling when you are in bed.... at home . He was doing so little relative to JT....who fortunately for him was too timid to press his attack, too tentative to let loose and too foolish not to move right and counter AA's low hanging left.....that he remains an enigma for me. A strong one..... but an enigma nevertheless.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 12:13:51 AM
Mike M:  Taylor's KO loss to Pavlik was the start. That was a concussive type KO. Once that starts happening it (like with football quarterbacks such as Aikman and Young) it takes less force to get second, third, etc concussions. The Froch KO was not as bad as what happened with Pavlik but it did the damage. Abraham's KO was brutal (like Pavlik's) and if i was Taylor's team i would seriously consider pulling him out of this tournament for his safety. Putting him in with a Kessler would finish him. Taylor has Ward next so i think his team will probably let him take that fight but Taylor is showing the signs of repetitive concussion syndrome. Any neutral head doctor would probably recommend a minimum rest of six months (IMO) and depending on the tests run so may recommend retirement. I noticed that with Miranda also after the Pavlik loss, he took many brutal head shots in the fight and looked shot in the 2nd fight with Abraham. I know part of this is the power of guys like Pavlik and Abraham but those guys are career enders for their last few opponents (Marquez, Lockett, Zertuche retired). Jermain has shown big heart in all these fights and has been competitive but his team really has to consider his health and life after boxing. I am sure Jermain will lobby to fight Ward and redeem himself but after that he will have to face an Abraham again and/or Kessler.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 12:41:49 AM
ali @ FeRoz:  Yall got two wins over the american congrats. but Dirrell won his fight in my eyes and the ref cheated he took a point without a warning and Forch hit behind the head the whole fight. I know your going to say it didn't matter cause he won by more then one point but the were the jugdes cheated. Dirrell won the first five rounds and I I had him winning 7 rounds to five what do you think.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 12:50:21 AM
RG -- @ Fe'Roz:  I must also say that Abraham was winning that bout in a run away. I had it nine rounds to two in favor of King Arthur going into that 12th round. You don't suppose to get points for just throwing a lot fast, non-effective punches. JT was very amateurish. He should have thrown double right hands follow by the left straight and left hook and uppercut. His constantly doubling up on the left was easy to read and time. Nothing was coming behind it 99 percent of the time. Watch! When Abraham fight SOG Ward, Ward is going to box him silly with the double rights, left hooks and uppercuts. Plus Ward is a natural southpaw who switches. His hands are superfast. i expect for Ward to conduct a boxing masterpiece, and to easily win this whole Classic. Holla!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 12:56:19 AM
RG -- NEW FLASH - @ Fe'Roz:  JT is far from being shot. He never could take punches from certain type of fighters at certain times of pressure. It is more of a psychological thing. I can tell you starting back in his amateur days he had it. Dude needs some serious counseling from shrinks. You can figure it out, if you are reading between lines. Some fighters are affected by certain type of fighters because of social myths and generational long stupid beliefs. Duane Bobick did not get help, and he was badly affected with this type of performance anxiety in the pros. Larry Holmes was affected in the amateurs, but in the pros, he got help. And that help took him to the top of the world, but he still said a very stupid thing. Jemaine Taylor has this same strange social affect badly. I wrote about the affect a few times, but like always the haters, posers, fakers and busters lost their minds. But the real dawgs in da know and in da game know about it. It affects about five percent of American boxers and maybe one percent of other nationalities of pugilists. Holla!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 01:22:01 AM
honky tonk man:  taylor did not deserve to be here from the beginning and he should be removed from the remaining tournament to save his life.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 02:45:17 AM
Anony @ Radam G:  I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU... Taylor has some mental issues to take care of. Even through the fight you can see his insecurity to commit to combos and extra-cautious not to flurry with Abraham while Abraham sensed this after a couple of rounds giving Taylor the "I'm going to get you" attitude. So sad because Taylor is the perfect american poster boy and I'm his fan. I guess he will need to loose it all and then come back to surprise everybody. I really feel bad for him. He still a great boxer and like I said before, he's always entertaining to watch.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 06:36:10 AM
kountedout:  taylor is finished. no way he comes back after that vicious ko by abraham. taylor is gun shy. largely goes to the part he never progressed an the networks and managers pushed into the spotlight when he was ready. now its to late. what excuse will taylor come up with now. abraham should fight at 160 and he would dominate pavlik.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 07:12:15 AM
TotoyBato:  The King needs better shorts.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 09:15:05 AM
Steve:  Taylor is shot now. No two ways about it. It's a shame, but rarely does a guy come back from successive KO floggings like this. I really like JT, but most of what has been said here is true; when faced with power what was concealed is now revealed; punch resistance. When faced with upper-tier-later-round-boxing-stamina challenges; top level fitness simply will not do. It's not that JT (or any fighter) gets KO'd, but (IMO) how they go down.... & JT just loses his legs & faculties, .. I'm not surprised he was medically concussed (as some here claim). Oh, by the way.. when JT fought BH, BH was waaay too cautious & overwhelmed with the punch rate of JT. Hop would probably cook him & maybe Abraham now if the same Hop that cooked KP rocks up
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 09:33:54 AM
Steve:  forgot to say; Taylor was moved along too fast, & I thought that when he fought B-Hop, although (I didnt think he won both fights) I was happy for JT that he won those fights
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 09:35:41 AM
MisterLee cheffing it up...:  Wow! THey should make me a south park character: The Chef. Shyyeet... come on guys.. eat your servings of crow... i told you... JT does not have a conditioning problem, he never quite recovered from Pavlik 1, and he should have gotten a Sports Psyhologist and a great coach from the get go as opposed to jumping to different coaches, and making excuses. This is instant replay of pre-Froch, talking about his new found hunger (little did I know he was talking about Big Macs, not boxing), and his conditioning (someone needs to give him some pevlon conditioning, not physical fitness). Sometimes it's not about talent, but having the intelligence to accept your losses and change your game plan, to stop being stubborn and try a different approach to the same problem. he's so young, yet he's so finished. Sadly, his only real accomplishment was having Bhop's number, and Bhop has went on to prove himself in the ring for Eternal Glory, and Winky has whooped his arse. Bye bye JT, finished? I say he's got at least 2 fights left in the bag, but knowing him, he'll say the exact same SH$T again and try to dupe the crowd again. Why was he brought into the tournament? B/c he has the biggest name in the tournament, some broad appeal, and despite losing his first challenge at super middle, he has some charisma and some fans to go with it. Sadly, the old JT, tho i have to watch the video, would have done much better with AA probably, meaning really offensive and going for the early knockout, then coasting the rest of the fight. Gotta watch the vids, but yeah guys, bring your plates, crow for lunch... bitter, sour, and feathery. Eat it, and i'm sure i'll get my share next time, i called the Froch fight, but i hear it was not as competitive as pple thought it would be. I have to see for myself, but ya'll gotta eat crow for both fights b/c I called Froch and Abraham. Pc out!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 10:58:26 AM
AFN:  Poor Jermaine. He kept it going, didn't gass out, and still gets KTFO at the end. I think he'll call it a day befroe the next round, and frankly who could blame him. Better to retire now healthy, than have another Michael Watson on our hands. Respect to JT, he's one of the real brave ones. EL TOONOY
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 11:17:41 AM
Fe'Roz @ ali and Radam:  Ali, I had Dirrell by a mile. I think even his girlfriend knew to be worried. It is hard to win if you don't land solid connects against your opponent....even if he is from abroad and you are at home. Froch looked like an angry and frustrated bull; and a rather amatuerish one at that. he has a champion's heart, no doubt. But he lost that fight last night. Radam, I probably agree that JT was losing rounds even as he tried to use his jab frequently as a can opener. On the other hand, AA did so little for so long, I think he left himself open to a decision...which of course became a moot issue with his KO blast. He fought so erratically and did so little some rounds ....bu he knew that the judges have cooked him some home meals before....and that they were not allowing JT anything but his arms and elbows to hit. They virtually took away half his target by warning then removing points for hitting his body. Yes, his shots were a bit low....but if that is low then Cotto should have been disqualified when he went down under against Judah. I do agree JT in the end is...and has often.....fought too much like an amateur to be fighting at this level as a pro. The proof is in the pudding. He won some he should arguably have lost with his style....a lost some to more rugged genuine professionals. As for being finished, I think he is. These are serious KO's he has sustained. One in a lifetime is enough on paper....but he is accumulation a highlight reel in a very short time. You have mentioned that it is your opinion that Cotto is experiencing PTSD. I think Jermaine will.....if he isn't already.....a shell of a man if he does not stop soon. I say that out of respect....for life. pc
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 11:24:58 AM
EM:  After a rewatching, I had Dirrell ahead even more, by three points.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 11:28:39 AM
RG - Alam ko - @ Fe'Roz:  Wow! JT has had PTSD for years, but he also has something else that I won't tell until somebody -- perhap his promoter Lou DiBella -- mentions it. Getting kayoed and fading are not a professional thing for JT. It came from the amateurs. I've been watching JT since he had his first major amateur bouts in the juniors. He was winning in the semi-finals of the 2,000 Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia, but faded and got stopped in the last round. If he is never treated for his psychological and emotional conditions, he will probably always beat certain types of boxers. As the game says, he got their numbers, or the judges will give him the vedicts against these type of boxers. He is not shot, though. Without showing my hand, I will say that he has something very, very close to the Stockholm Syndrome with a mix of phobia of certain humans and performance anxiety. This problem is identified in the amateurs and is treated. Like I said above, two of the most famous boxers with it, were Larry Holmes and Duane Bobick. Holmes got it fixed. Bobick didn't. Holla!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 12:20:51 PM
MisterLee:  Sports psychologist is what I say. That and a good coach to correct his flaws and probably he should stop fighting in order to survive 12 rounds and just fight. Who knows what would have happened if he had not chosen to let Froch recover after the knockdown. Holler!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 12:35:29 PM
DaveB:  EM, No rewatching and rescoring you have to go by what you had the first time. The judges have to judge it in the moment not knowing what is going to happen.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 01:02:11 PM
MisterLee:  DaveB telling how it is, TSS rules!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 01:07:01 PM
RG @ Fe'Roz:  By the way, it is not my "opinion that Cotto is experiencing PTSD," shrinks are humans too. They get excited when certain patients come to them. And the shrinks -- like most doctors and any professionals, except very good spies -- start shooting off at the lips in their selected professional stomping grounds and/or selected professional grapevines. The stomping grounds roar with reliable sound -- information -- to those who know how to collect it. (You know -- or maybe you don't -- that old-schooled people can correctly forecast the weather by the sound and smell of the ground. They don't get caught in surprised storm disasters. Whenever I am anywhere in Asia, my ears have the attention of the oldtimers' ways. They know how to save my arse which I'm lmfao!) The walls of that grapevine are so loud. I -- like the many in the know -- hear things [or already know them from inside reliable sources], the correct things. And they turn out to be DITTO! Did you see Oprah in the USA this last Friday. She had Holyfield and Tyson on her confirming what I had said in this Universe. "Nobody was that friendly toward Holyfield, because he was a quiet, country boy, who did talk much, Tyson said and Holyfield agreed. "I admired Mike's work ethics," Holyfield said. "We were on the losers' squad," said Tyson. "We were both trying to make the team. He had to get passed Ricky Womack...." The now late Ricky Womack who was from Detriot and thuggist so much that he spent time in da Pen} and hung out with Los Angeles thug Henry Tillman. Like Holy said, "I made the team and was pulling for Mike." And like I've posted umpteen times in this Universe, I was there and, I'm not one of the posers and faders. What I spit is real talk like the TSS reader Real Talk. I'm grown - no time for fibs and juvenile make-believe about being a true, elite dawg of the legal mayhem hurt bitnezz. Holla!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 01:13:54 PM
AFN:  Any of you guys watch Phineas and Ferb? There's a brilliant scene in an episode with Evander Holyfield. The boys are always getting questioned about "aren't they a little young to be..." ordering stuff for whatever spectacular stunt they are planning each episode, and invariably answer, "Yes. Yes we are." So Evander appears, the boys great him, then ask, "Aren't you a little old to be a professional boxer?". "Yes, yes I am." replies Evander. If you are a fan of the show or Evander, this is crack up stuff. EL CARTOONOY
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 01:34:37 PM
RG - correcting a booboo:  ***who didn't talk too much,...
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 01:59:41 PM
brownsugar@MisterLee:  Thankyou for the plate sir,... may I have another??,... yeah I picked JT with a sentimental vote,.. but he's officially done in my eyes after that brutal loss,.. AA is a powerful puncher,.. but I noticed some serious flaws,...the guy is a very basic and leaves himself wide open for counters when he thows,.. even throws himself off balance a lot because he puts so much into his punches.... and I criticize AA's opponents,.. why do they give this guy such a wide berth to throw punches at his leisurely pace while they await a KO punch from the self proclaimed KING in the mid to late rounds??,.. his opponents treat him as if he's the second coming of Mike Tyson,.. nobody stays in his face and punches with him,.. a guy like Hagler would have never given him a seconds rest,.. guys like Holyfield and Douglas showed that there a ways to beat a puncher,.. and sap his strength in the process,.. somebody needs to take the fight inside with AA or either wrap those hooks around his guard,.. dude is more basic than Pavlik,.. anyway,.. untill someone takes the fight to AA,.. he'll continue to win bouts by outwaiting his opponents and bombing them out later on,..Taylor was way too tenative,.. maybe Dirrell or Kessler can give him some "Work",.. I have nothing against AA,.. just want to see someone bring him a real fight to him,....so call me an armchair coach,... you'll see,.. somebody is going to take AA out of his comfort zone and we'll see how limited he really is,.. but it has to be somebody who's not scared to engage....
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 03:35:52 PM
brownsugar:  Dan Goosen who promotes both JT and Ward,.. is considering a replacement,.. although JT has not been officially relieved of his duties as of today,... Goosen is considering putting Allan Green in the tournament in place of JT,.. but with Greens boring performance of Simms,.. Goosen is thinking about putting Green against Miranda as a rematch,.. (Miranda is being managed by Goosens younger brother),... and the winner goes to the super six,.. (coming in with JT's point total of zero),.. even though Mirand has lost to AA and Ward,.. he's not considered shot,.. and he brings the excitement of a big banger into the mix,.. suposedly the rematch will be made next month if all parties agree...Pavlik has not expressed a desire to move up... and Bute is locked into a rematch with Andrade late this year....
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 03:52:17 PM
Smiley C:  B-sug! I think that Lou Debella promotes JT fo' sure!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 04:09:47 PM
Fistic Fury:  If anyone replaces Taylor it has to be the other champ Bute. Green would get smoked by Taylor never mind the others...
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 04:13:31 PM
DaveB:  This is getting more interesting. Froch and Abraham is a fight that excites me from purely an entertainment aspect. They should be in each other's grilles all night. I think even a casual fan would like that one. Kessler or Ward on the other hand would box them masterfully, with them having the puncher's chance. I have a friend who is a woman and I get to gauge the casual fan's thoughts on the fights. I call her to make sure she watches the fights. She doesn't know what they should do or remember the names but she does know what she likes which is some good action. She didn't like Dirrell's style. I'm not saying he didn't win but it just is not a pleasing style. He is very elusive and fast, maybe too elusive for his own good. In all honesty I for one would like to see Taylor leave. He shouldn't risk his life for the tournament or for money. It would be just awful if something were to happen to him. The man also has young kids and a wife. Regardless of why these knockouts have caught up to him they have and they will have consequences later on.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 04:53:28 PM
Mike M:  Man i don't want to see Green in this tourney. He is a big talker but an underachiever along the lines of Vivian Harris and Junior Witter. Then spouts a bunch of excuses afterward. I agree he should have to beat Miranda first also. Bute assuming he beats Andrade is really the one guy who deserves the spot as i would rate him only behind Kessler and Abraham. If you want this tournament to really grab the boxing world's attention i would seriously consider putting in the winner of Pavlik - Williams. I think either guy could move up to 168 and be right in the mix. Pavlik and Williams would give the United States some star appeal and be the best best to take out the Euros.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 05:44:18 PM
the Roast:  @Andy from NC, I have seen that Phineas and Ferb. Good stuff! They even have the missing chunk out of his ear. Now about JT. Another crushing defeat. That was shocking. It looked like he was on his way to a UD loss. I gave JT the first four rounds and then it was all AA. JT is finished. How can he go on in this tournament? Get Allan Green ready in the bullpen.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 06:39:18 PM
Fe'Roz:  DiBella said Jermaine's 'health is paramount'. He is in the hospital in Berlin for days under observation from a severe concussion. He did not remember when he got KOed. This is not a case for therapy Radam. This is a situation requiring a neurologist. And a decent manager. JT is going to get badly badly hurt if he continues. Pc
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 07:53:52 PM
Steve:  There comes a point in a fight/career when the boxer doesnt want to be in there. Sometime that happens in a fight, sometimes before a fight. When you dont want to be there, and your'e exhausted, and you're in with a guy that can hit hard; you get caught (KO'd) and that's when it's really dangerous and the wrong time. JT has on several ocassions IMO found out that he doesn't want to be there when it was the wrong time to find out. I think that this problem is not one a sports psychologist is going to fix now. If it were addressed earlier maybe; not now. Not at tis level and frequency
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 08:13:27 PM
RG - eating Pinoy steroids - rice, fish from an underground mountain lake and kulay from da mountain:  Well! JT definitely needs a neurologist, but also a psychologist, a historian, an honest clergyman, a professional trainer and a dietitian/nutritionist. (JT trained at Big (Rev) George Foreman's gym in Texas, so I heard some things about JT.) Trust me, this dude has long-standing mental and psychological problems. Wow! And now probably the first stages of neurological ones. He should go to fighting C and D fighters for a bit while getting therapy and neurological testing. Holla!
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 08:19:44 PM
TotoyBato:  The boxing authorities should force Jermain Taylor to quit boxing for a long while and get evaluated before he attempts a comeback. They should also force King Arthur Abraham to wear better shorts.
Sunday Oct 18, 2009 09:19:06 PM
Fe'Roz:  Radam, Make sure Manny gets some of that good Pinoy eating. Meanwhile, You're making the rest of us hungry.
Monday Oct 19, 2009 05:26:11 AM
Matthew:  Spectacular finish to a fight that was decent but not outstanding. It looks like Abraham is strong at 168, and he clearly brought his punch up with him. Even though it doesn't look like he gassed out, Taylor used up a lot of energy hitting Abraham's gloves with his jab. Nelson told him to loop his right hand around the guard a little more, but he never really did. He probably could have made better use of lateral movement and the uppercut as well. Did anyone else happen to notice the lack of an Enswell in Taylor's corner? His right eye started to swell after the 7th round, and they never used an Enswell. I am amazed that in 2009 a corner can be that unprepared. As for Taylor's future, if he's medically cleared to fight, he'll probably go on. After being brutally knocked out in 3 of his last 5 fights, it might be time for him to hang 'em up. As for Abraham, he looks like a pretty strong favorite, doesn't he?
Monday Oct 19, 2009 08:49:09 AM
brownsugar:  Matthew without a doubt Abrahms is a murderous puncher as well as a good tactician,..tough minded and well prepared,..and if everyone else is a fearful of taking the fight in close to AA,.. as JT was,.. he could easily emerge the winner,.. but aside from his power,.. AA looks even more basic to me than Kelly Pavlik,..the guy literally loads up on punches so forcefully that when he misses he rotates in an out of position semicircle...he also drops both hands when ever he punches heavily,.. if there are any diligent students of boxing left in this tournament,.. they will fight AA in close and wrap around his guard,.. mixing in uppercuts and body shots,..JT only did it once or twice the whole fight,.. but when ever he did,.. AA had to motor out of the way to reset... I see a lot of surprises along the way of this tourney,.. if anyone is willing to take the fight to AA,..both inside an outside,.. make him work past his comfortzone,..then he can be beaten...easier than you think..
Monday Oct 19, 2009 09:51:30 AM
Matthew:  Abraham is certainly not unbeatable, but I think on first glance a lot of people underestimate him. In order to beat him, you need excellent stamina, good lateral movement, and the ability to really take a punch. The use of the uppercut, hooks to the body, and power punches around the guard are also helpful. I'd say that Kessler possesses the best shot to beat him; there are too many question marks about the others.
Monday Oct 19, 2009 09:59:23 AM

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