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Mike Tyson Tells Oprah Why He Bit Evander Holyfield
By Frank Lotierzo
Since turning pro in March of 1985 there have been a ton of tags used to describe former undisputed heavyweight champion Mike Tyson.
Here's another to add to the list: "truth-teller."
This past Monday afternoon Mike Tyson was on the Oprah Winfrey show to discuss the James Toback documentary that was released earlier this year titled "Tyson." During the show Mike was asked about all the well known ups and downs of his life in and out of the ring.
However, the question and answer I was struck by most came when Winfrey asked why he bit Evander Holyfield's ears during their second fight. Tyson's answer revealed what the true reason was for why he did it, although it wasn't a surprise to those who knew the reason all along. But it was refreshing to hear the truth come from his lips without any reservation.
Mike told Oprah that Holyfield head-butted him a lot during their first fight and was doing it again during the rematch. He said that was a part of why he bit him but it was more because he was "so pissed off that Holyfield was such a great fighter and wanted to desperately beat him." Tyson's words indicate just how deep it ran inside of him that he was in the ring fighting a guy who he couldn't beat straight up, man versus man.
After Tyson bit Holyfield's ears that June night back in 1997, he was given every excuse in the world by many who just couldn't accept Tyson could lose a fight if he was in shape and fighting with a sense of purpose and not looking past an opponent like he had Buster Douglas when he suffered his first loss. Most forget that Holyfield and Tyson came up during the same era and were on a collision course during the mid to late eighties. Evander, who weighed 177 in his pro-debut was cleaning out the cruiserweight division during the same time as Tyson, who weighed 214 for his pro debut, was going through the heavyweight division.
They were scheduled to fight in November of 1991 when Tyson injured his rib training and the bout had to be postponed. Shortly after that Tyson was convicted of rape and went to prison for three years. A year and a half after getting out of prison Tyson stopped Frank Bruno to win the WBC title and Bruce Seldon to gain the WBA title. Holyfield on the other hand had been stopped for the first time in his career by Riddick Bowe and looked awful winning against Bobby Czyz in his last two fights.
When Holyfield and Tyson signed to fight there was no demand for the fight because Holyfield was considered finished at the time. In fact Evander had to get medical clearance from the Mayo clinic before the fight could be sanctioned by the Nevada Athletic Commission because the prevailing thought was Tyson wouldn't just beat Holyfield, but might possibly injure him. To sell the first fight many cable companies across America offered a pay per-round package for those who purchased the fight so the fans wouldn't feel ripped off if the fight only lasted a couple rounds. When the fight turned out to be one of the better heavyweight fights of the decade won by the 12-1 underdog Holyfield, the rematch was made.
After Tyson lost the first fight he said he took Holyfield lightly and didn't realize Evander could still fight and promised to be in great shape mentally and physically for the rematch. This was a must win fight legacy- wise for Tyson due to the fact that it was the first time he was meeting a fighter a second time who beat him. Tyson took the fight seriously and weighed in at 218, four pounds lighter than he was for the first fight.
In the rematch Tyson came out strong and looked to get Holyfield out in the first two rounds. Mike knew just as Evander did that he is the most dangerous in the first two rounds and after that slowly winds down as his work-rate and effectiveness begin to erode. During the first two rounds Tyson emptied the wagon on Holyfield trying to put him away. Only there was a problem, not only was Holyfield standing up to Mike's best, he was fighting him back harder and winning the rounds. After Holyfield made it through and won the first two rounds, Tyson knew inside it was just a matter of time before he was stopped by Holyfield again, which no doubt caused him to panic.
It wasn't like Tyson was gonna get stronger and fight better as the fight progressed a la Marciano or Frazier. And if he didn't have the punch to keep Holyfield off while he's the most dangerous, how could he have kept Holyfield from coming at him and nailing him with hard right hands from outside while at the same time tying up his left-hook on the inside? He couldn't. And once Mike knew there was no way he could pull the fight out against a tough and determined fighter like Holyfield, who also knew how to fight him, he wanted out of the fight.
When the bell rang to start the third round Mike knew that it was going to be the last round of the fight. The only way to go about that was to get disqualified but at the same time maintain his persona as a tough guy. Being that he was so frustrated because he couldn't beat Holyfield straight up in a fair fight, he wanted to somehow hurt Evander physically and get out of the fight without getting stopped by him again. Tyson also knew some would view him as being a tough guy for biting Holyfield and acting as if it were a street fight instead of the form of quitting that it really was.
After Tyson was warned he would be disqualified and having a point deducted by referee Mills Lane in the third round for biting Holyfield's ear, Tyson bit Evander's other ear the very next time they were in a clinch. The fight was briefly stopped after that and once Lane saw Holyfield's ear bleeding from the second bite he DQ'd Tyson, thus ending the fight.
When Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ears twice during the third round of their rematch, Mike was in essence quitting and saying to Holyfield 'I know I can't beat you and you don't have to knock me out this time to beat me.' It wasn't a spur of the moment act on Tyson's part. No, it was thought out and calculated...and despite being suspended for a year by the Nevada commission, it fooled many boxing fans into thinking it was an act of toughness and a manly way of taking down a fighter who was beating you straight up and not because he was head-butting him.
When Tyson told Oprah he bit Holyfield because he was pissed off because he was such a great fighter, he couldn't have been more honest. Due to Tyson's presence and intimidation factor he brought into the ring when he fought, he wasn't tested often by many fighters. When it finally happened and he was confronted by a fighter who could take his punch and had no fear of him, he came undone. Tyson admitting the truth has set him free in that it's easier for him to look himself in the mirror now. Forget about what others say and think, nothing is harder than attempting to lie and con yourself for years.
During the Winfrey interview Mike came across completely honest. If he was willing to admit the truth as to why he bit Holyfield's ears twice, it's pretty easy to believe everything else he said during the sitdown.
As a fighter Mike Tyson is one of the top-5 skilled heavyweights in boxing history. Had he possessed the character and courage of a Holyfield, Frazier or Arturo Gatti, he'd probably rank somewhere between fourth and seventh of all-time great heavyweights, but boxing is more than hand-speed and punching power. Therefore Tyson ranks somewhere around tenth and twelfth.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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Sonny:
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Finally someone tells it how it really is... Tyson was a great fighter, just happened to feed right into Holyfield's wheelhouse. Holyfield can outbox any fighter who will come at him aggressively and punch through the target.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 08:36:49 PM
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the Roast:
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Great article Frank. I've known all along that Mike bit Holyfield because he knew he could'nt beat Evander straight up. I have written about this before. Holyfield beating Tyson in the first fight is my all time favorite boxing moment. I have watched that tape 100 times. Mike ruined the rematch by punking out like he did. Tyson knew before the rematch started that he could not beat Evander. I watched that tape 100 times too. As Mills Lane gives his final instructions before the first bell, the fighters engage in a stare down. Mike Tyson breaks the stare and looks down. It was at that moment I knew for sure Evander would win again. It seems like a loooong time ago. That was then and this is now. My best wishes to Tyson. I hope he is at peace with himself. The man is a boxing legend and an icon to a generation.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 08:58:19 PM
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Isaiah:
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As a little kid, Mike Tyson was the first guy who enthralled me with this sport. As I grew older, I began to severly dislike him and instead respect the more honabrle warriors like Evander himself and Lennox Lewis. Every fight Tyson won, he did it with beautiful brutality. Every OTHER fight Tyson lost, he took his beating like a man. It's a real shame this 1 fight will be the one people will most remeber him for. WHY MIKE? WHY? Mike was always a warrior in every other fight he's ever had and yet, he will be remebered as a coward. Mike is lucky when Evander took off his gloves after the bite, that Evander did get another chance to get close to him. I think Evander wanted to kill him.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 10:19:51 PM
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Isaiah:
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I meant to say, Evander did NOT get another chance to get close to him.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 10:21:33 PM
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kountedout:
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holyfield always knew he could beat tyson. tyson never did like holyfield from the amateur days because holyfield told henry tillman how to beat tyson in the box offs to see who would go to the olympics. tyson only had to win 1 time and tillman had to win twice. tillman beat him. holyfield and tillman were room mates in the olympic games. tyson bit him so he could get disqualified. that was his way out of the fight. teddy atlas hit it right on the nose. tyson had nerves to call holyfield dirty when tyson would try and break your arm in clinches lol
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 10:56:16 PM
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arturo:
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i wanted to see this fight before Tyson went to jail.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 11:56:46 PM
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RG - PacManite na mababang-loob:
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Like always, nice masterpiece, can I say more -- but I gotta go. Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 12:08:59 AM
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RG - PacManite na mababang-loob:
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Wow! Somebody got those myths in full effect! Holyfield didn't know how to beat Tyson as an amateur, but he told someone how to. I didn't see that and I was there. Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 12:12:55 AM
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ross le brun:
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Yeah Mike bit Holyfield out of pure frustration but he didnt start the first 2 rounds fast at all, he came out very tentative, he had no confidence in his ability or the ability of the team around him to drill in to him the skills that had been eroding away for the past 8 years since he left the catskills, plus the near 4 years he spent with no training at all!! In the 3rd Mike came out far more aggressive than the previous 2 rounds and hurt or stunned Holyfiled a few times, watch the 3rd, before the bite and Evander really does struggle with Mikes speed, not the power but just the speed those punches were coming at him, if that was the Tyson that slaughtered Spinks, the one that ripped through a whole division and whos skills allowed him to stand in front of fighters and not take a punch, Holyfield wouldnt have made it past the 4th round.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 01:39:36 AM
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kountedout:
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evidently if you didnt see it then you wasnt there. if you were there then you would know holyfield and tillman were room mates. dont have to say i was there if i know the truth. anyone can lie and say they were. why do you comment on everything i comment about? i dont care anythin bout the want to be cool jibberish you talk about. before i started making comments on here i see how you like to start things and then when someone gets on you you go acting very childish crying to the editor. grow up man. guys on here cautioned me about you. what they said was very true. i can see you are not professional because you are very unprofessional. thanks for reading my coment though
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 04:06:57 AM
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RG - these suckas love to name called when you expose their "jibberish":
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WOW! Somebody is a big-time fibber and full of double standards. When it comes to Mayweather, the amateurs and pros were different, but it matters when it come to Tyson. These posers never quit. I'm everywhere that phonies would love to be. The people in the know who know know who the tricksters and fibber up this Universe is. There is a bunch of crock about Holyfield teaching anybody to beat Mike Tyson. None of the American would even spar with Tyson, so he and Cus D'Mato (Name misspelled) brought into Lennox Lewis to spar with Tyson. Hillman wins over Tyson was full of politics, just Jermain Taylor's amateur wins over Kelly Pavlik were. Both Tyson and Pavlik knocked both bums da fudge out in the pros. This knucklehead on some type of delusional high with humbuggery and mendacious poppycop. Now how many people do not know about the run-away robberies in the amateurs. Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 05:54:41 AM
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RG- knows a fibber:
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***None of the Americans....
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 05:59:30 AM
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kountedout:
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u cant be professional because you act like a little kid. how old are you trying to be cool. believe me you are not. your words are very corny and instead of people laughing with you im sure they laugh at you. i will say it again. evander holyfield told henry tillman exactly how to fight tyson. i dont have to perpetrate being someone. im sure you were the first to fly to the moon as well. i havent said anything about who sparred with tyson. if you look at my comments i have not debated with anyone here you are just trying to push the envelope. grow up. i see you are a person that needs attention. be upset because i can spit boxing with the best and you dont come close. tyson didnt have politics behind him losing to tillman because tillman was the favorite. you talk a lot that shows me you know nothing. my momma always told me about people like you. bottom line holyfield never was afraid of tyson. he always felt he could beat tyson. tyson was bully just like you but i push back
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:20:49 AM
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RG -- name callers don't have a clue of their_______:
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Wow! This dingbat will not go away. First, his creditability is shot because in 1984 boxers were given perdiem (word misspelled) for expenses. They stayed in the hotels with their coaches, not other boxers. So it was no way that Holyfield who was from Georgia bunked with Hillman who was from Los Angeles anytime because the Games in LA. These faders, posers and nutjobs never go away. Somebody ought to tell that fibbing sucka who won't get out of my grill that Superelitefightwriter F-Lo knows the process now and back then. I repeat! Fighters stayed with their delegations and coaches through the whole Games Trial period and box-offs. Holyfield didn't know Hillman before the Games, and they were never close.These no kount phonies just won't go away. Of course, Holy and Tillman were forced to be roommates in the 1984 Games in LA, but other than that they were not friends. Matter-of-fact, Hillman had a big chip on his shoulder again "slow-Southern-talking Holyfield." A lot of the amateurs back then, even today, are regionalized. And there is subtle perjudice. Hey, Editor Mike, why don't you holla at this knucklehead to talk about boxing and quit attacking the readers. I have maturity and knowledge than this sucka on my worst day. These fakes never cease to try their cons. Somebody else, out there in the knowledge of the game, please holla at this jerk. Let him get in your grill for a bit and outta of mine. Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:56:11 AM
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kountedout:
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get out of your grill?? u must be manic depressive or something. you comment on me. i had never commented on you until you come to me. no im not going nowhere. talking loud and saying nothing. thats your motto. you have learned some words from the hood now you think you are cool. grow up. you just said what i told you that they were room mates. learn to read. i can see you dont do that well. you are a silly little kid who needs attention. go fly to the moon as i know you were the first to do that. you sat in the lap of jack johnson as well i know you did all of that you told us before. do the readers really see what type of guy you are. you call the editor just like i said you would do after you attacked me. you can't grow up because you have a serious mental problem. i know losers when i see them and you are the biggest. i wont stop with you hillman didnt have a chip on his shoulder with holyfield. stop it. stop with all you lies.you can trick everyone here who thinks you might know what you are talking about but you cant trick the real guys here. grow up they are laughing at you.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:12:31 AM
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kountedout:
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if holyfield and tillman were not friends why is it that everytime holyfield came to los angeles him an tillman would hang out together? why is it that holyfield attended the wedding of tillman when tillman married jessie owens grand daughter. we know you played fullback with jim brown and basketball with bill russell. grow up man. im sure you can tell me who tillmans trainer was.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:28:26 AM
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ultimoshogun:
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I think Tyson had doubts about beating Holyfield even in their first fight. When Roast mentioned how Tyson broke the stare in their second fight I remembered a story I heard about the two fighters during the Olympic trials. I can't remember if I heard it on ESPN's Ringside series but the story goes during the trials the two of them engaged in a standoff/staredown over who had the next game on the pool table and Tyson was the one who backed off and walked away.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:33:22 AM
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eggert:
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Does it not come to you're mind that Holyfield headbutted Tyson because Tyson was such a good fighter???
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:39:05 AM
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ali:
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I love Mike Tyson.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 09:42:35 AM
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ben o'connor:
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breaking staredowns is over rated! dont really matter, like you remember the stare down in the middle of the battle!!! of corse you dont, your concentrating to the best of your ability not thinking about an over macho for the most part pointless staredown, yeah tyson broke it first but that didnt have any barring on the fight, tyson clearly didnt look intimidated to the extent it would hamper his performence!!. the only time ive really seen serious fear in someones eyes is bruno versus tyson. bruno looked as if he could cry with fear! but most of that was on ring walk anyway!!! look at the klitschkos, especially wlad. he looks pretty scared in the ring during the fight let alone on the staredown!!!!!! for me that makes him a better fighter than a worse one. its a fact everyone has nerves to some extent, after all its a fight!!!! holyfield was rough with tyson but as tyson said after "so what if i bit him, it was a fight" which begs the question why complain of a butt then!! listen tyson is my boxing hero but like it or not he was past his best in 97, and holyfield beat a 60-70 per cent tyson. holyfield was a class act but a peak tyson has too much for evander. as ive always said on this site, this is just my opinion and i respect yours..............................well most of them!! haha
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 10:04:22 AM
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Marvelous :
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I don't know, I think you are looking too deeply into what happened. I can understand where you are coming from, but you are creating an illusion of what really happened that night. Mike bit his ear simply because he was getting tired of getting anymore head butts from Evander. That's it, regardless of what Mike says today, Mike been through so much in his life, that I'm sure many memories are scattered in bits and pieces. Mike had te potiental to win that second fight, he will always be one of the great heavyweights, but the problem in his career was letting Don King in!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 10:59:02 AM
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Marlon:
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This article is a little off based because Mike Tyson did not lose the first two rounds. He won either the 1st or the 2nd on ALL the judge's scorecards.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 11:58:41 AM
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Carol Ann Weber:
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I covered the fight that night (boxing reporter) and knew Tyson was in a world of trouble from the get go. Had interviewed Holyfield prior to the fight and knew he was in the best shape of his career - no where close to being “finished” as all the boxing pundits were so eager to proclaim. I placed a bet with some of my fellow reporters sitting around me that Holyfield would take Tyson out. When they were finished laughing their butts off, they decided instead to bet with each other how many seconds into round one Tyson would have Holyfield on the canvas. But here was the thing: not only was Holyfield in better shape, he was more grounded, consistent and focused than Tyson. And, he knew who he was up against, as their career paths had paralleled one another almost from the beginning. Mind you, Holyfield never underestimated Tyson, as Tyson did Holyfield, but never feared him either. I covered all of Tyson’s fights after he was released from prison and it seemed to me that Tyson won every fight before his opponents entered the ring. The fear in their eyes could be seen from the nosebleed section of the stands. Holyfield knew he could beat him and that’s what angered Tyson - he could not intimidate this opponent. The night got stranger after the fight, too. There was so much weird energy in the air, the exiting fans turned into a stampeding herd when some fool shouted, “He’s got a gun!” Some folks bolted over the railing into the Mexican restaurant where I was sitting. I heard plates, glasses and silverware crashing, and before I knew it, I found myself crouching under the table, marguerita clutched firmly in my white-knuckled grasp, staring across at my dinner companion. So, I looked at him, raised my glass in an under-the-table toast and said, “Cheers!”
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 02:28:13 PM
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RG -- got 'em cornered and he comes with ______:
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Now everybody know that the no kount dude is such a big fibber. This poser-fader stalks me at every post that I make, then reversed it and say that I'm after him. The sucka just want some attention. He believes that he is good at reversing and twisting things around and then attacking people in the hood. They always go to their bigotry. Somebody tell that knucklehead that I'm very far from the hood. So get off the people from there. I'm beginning to catch on to this no kount dude's syntax. But it doesn't matter, he is far from slick. Matter-of-fact, he is a tiny D_ik, lmfao! Go into the archives. This con man is typical -- very slow on the memory and brain power. You know that he has never boxed, or he'd be deeply punch drunk and disabled. Dude got a very low boxing aptitude, and thinks that "he is fooling all the people, all the time." But ain't he fun. He is staggering around this Universe like a drunkened sailor on liberty. Now how many years that Henry Tillman has been in jail? I told you that this dude has "0" credibility. This obsessive brainsick cyberstalker just cannot quit. Tillman been in deep kimche for years. It doesn't matter if he marries to Alice in Wonderland. Oh! I musta fo'got! That is who this con man is married to. His whole world is upside down, but to him it is all right. The chump is swimming in a cesspool, and sarcasm will not get him out it. Some of my dawgs in Cali tell that sucka how long that Henry Tillman has been in jail, and that "Jesse Owens's daughter" divorced his deadbeat arse long years ago. Maybe you can just google Tillman and get the skinny on him. Life has passed this no kount ancient dude's crumpy arse by, and now he is venting and manufacturing his poppycock in this Universe. This is the age of quick, reliable information. Somebody help out the old fart with the low self-esteem problem. You notice how insecure that he is, and he has the need to spit condescending epithets and go into his delusional, "I'm superior to you" mode. The sucka ought to just offer authentic info to this Universe, and halt trying to bull readers -- because the fightwriters are not buying it -- with his hatred of and issue with life in general and with certain pugilists in particular. Oh! By the way -- READERS -- go to Holy's boxing site and ask him did he tell jailbird Henry Tillman how to beat Mike Tyson? And does Tillman looks like Pernell Whitaker? That is my last on that subject or to this creepy, cyberspace stalker with his fibs and poormouth! Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 03:03:10 PM
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Oh! I musta fo' got! Holy and Tillman were such good friends, but Holy double beat da fudge outta of Tillman in their 1987 match. A great roommate -- NOT -- who told Tillman how to beat Tyson in the amateurs. Ugh! Then he turn around and whup that arse.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 03:15:54 PM
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the Roast:
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It looks like Oprah's corner had better get to work on that left eye. A few more rounds and the ref is gonna have to stop the bout! Maybe John Horne and Rory Halloway still have that water balloon they used in Tokyo!!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 03:35:56 PM
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RG - Busy as a bee - 2 all my real topdawgs:
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Hit up "Boxing Monthly dot con and read up on Henry Tillman -- who won over Michael Tyson in the amateurs without Evander Holyfield telling him JACK! This cat is talking about making a comeback in boxing. Again, go and read the article about him in "Boxing Monthly." See I will never b.s. you with jabberwocky or mendacious hate scribble about any pugilist. Everybody is a human being. And the haters ought to quit the hate, because they cannot relate. I will never feed you poppycock, and hide my hands behind my back after hitting you with a rock. Maybe TSS West Coast Bureau Chiefy D-Double-A will holler at Henry Tillman and spit the Universe so sweet copy about him. The dude has one helluva story to tell. And it will not be kounted fakery, fading and hatred. Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 03:42:08 PM
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RG -- da clean-up guy:
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**spit to the....
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 03:49:44 PM
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the Roast:
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@Carol Ann, you sound like my kind of lady! The Roast loves Holyfield, Mexican restaurants, and doing stuff under the table! We should get together sometime and watch some fights.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 03:52:44 PM
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RG - Ayoko mga sira ulo at mga sinungaling:
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Wow! Da Roast is up to it again. Watch him! He'll take your heart. He a true "Lady Killer!" And he is funny as heck, lmfao! "...doing stuff under the table!" I don't have clue of what he is spitting about. But if you believe that one, I got that land on the moon that my cyberstalker spoke about. Any way, go to youtube and see Tyson fight Henry Tillman in the amateurs and pros. And check out Holy beating that same so-called friend of his, who he told how to beat Mike Tyson, silly! Wow! Ain't it's wonderful to get instant info and bouts about the past. Holla!
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 05:10:11 PM
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kountedout:
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they are laughing at you not with you. you really need help. if every reader go back and look at comments made I said not one word to you and you commented to me. you need medication you 12 year old little boy. grow up. someone comes on here an knows more then you it seems as though you get upset and try to start arguments with them. thats your m.o. go look at my comments i said they were room mates i didn't say they were best friends. yes and lets go to holyfield and tillman in person an lets see if they know any of us. i didn't know they made buffoons until they made you. ultimashogun and the lady carol ann weber you are right tyson doubted himself because he knew holyfield wasnt scared of him and that was true at the pool table. your not worthy to mention your name but grow up
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:43:20 PM
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kountedout:
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you went an read tillman was in jail. tell me who was his trainer? tell me where did he shoot the guy? i not only can tell you buffoon i was in the place where it happen. grow up. i know you were the first to fly a plane, you really invented boxing, they came to you about it we all know. you are an arm chair quarterback. you blueprint on beating floyd go back to the amateurs. that was a amateur statement. but i forgot you are not a professional anyways. i have a lot fo you mah man. keep coming with your sorry want to be cool comments. i was warned about you and i see but im not martin luther king and turn the other cheek, im like malcom x i fight back
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:49:28 PM
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EM:
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Hey, youse two, keep it civil. Stop with the insults.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:06:19 PM
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kountedout:
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em go to our comments and see what i said and check his comments out. he says im following him. he does that to everyone. others have spoke out to you about him and then he comes and apologizes like a little kid.. we should be grown men/women so act like it. until you discipline him you are going to always have these stupid little games he plays. unless you like the games that he plays and insults people. if he comes wrong i would try and ignore it but its hard to ignore
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:34:06 PM
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kountedout:
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im new on here and just wanted to make comments not debate. you have let him get away with his childish behavior and you never do anything about it. you tell us both to stop the insults but you why dont you start with the person that started it. be equal here man
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:39:00 PM
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the Roast:
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You guys need to knock it off. We need to focus on the Roast's comedy. Come on! Oprah? With the left eye closing rapidly gets no play? I hope you guys didnt scare off Carol Ann. We havent had a woman around here since..... what was her name?
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 10:32:23 PM
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EM:
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Golly, that's true. Gals don't come here in droves, do they?
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 11:01:47 PM
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Kmach:
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Sorry, I have to disagree with the article. Tyson beat himself. After becoming the youngest heavyweight champion, adding the death of his trainer/mentor, Tyson became amazingly cocky. He wanted to party and surround himself with celebrities. If a trainer tried to make Tyson train, Mike would fire them and hire a trainer that would just stand by and let him party.
When he lost the belt to Douglas, Tyson became unglued. No longer top of the world and no friends or support to fall back on except drug addicts. Mike eventually went to prison.
All this impacted Tysons skills. If you look at early footage of Tyson, he is ripping off 6-7 punch combos with lightweight speed and heavyweight power, truly remarkable. When Tyson stopped training and caring, he resorted to throwing sluggish haymakers for 3 rounds until he became too tired. He also became so lazy he didn't bother learning how to get out of a clinch.
When Tyson fought Holyfield, they were both done. Sure Tyson actually got into some kind of shape, but he lacked the skills and strategy to beat Evander. His strategy was still just to throw a hard haymaker and hopefully it lands. Look at Tysons early fights versus his middle and late fights, not even the same fighter.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 05:28:26 AM
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Yea, the kounted is apparently delusional. I personally know the bum boxer Tillman and Holy and Tyson. I don't go after anybody. The jealousy of some jerks are amazing. They should stick with what they don't know -- BOXING! Saying Tyson doesn't like Holy because Holy told Henry "Jailbird" and big-time murderer" Tillman how to beat Tyson is like saying that Joe Frazier doesn't like Larry Holmes because Holmes told Ali how to beat him. Wow! Frazier and Holmes are best of friends, thought Smokin' use to bust up Holmes's ribs and knock him silly in sparring sessions. Frazier would ripped Holmes apart in a real bout, just as Holy did Tillman -- not a roommate or friend. Gosh! There are lot of people coming up in this Universe with issues. This cyberstarker cannot see. He really believes if he keeps telling lie, somebody is going to start believing him. Talking about "childish behavior," he wears those shoes well. Time to move on! Some people are trapped in optical illusions because of some type of ________! No more wasting time with the latest cyberstalker and big-time _________, I'm reminded how every bigot goes into his illusions of being superior and start slinging that out-of=group people are like kids, when their brainpower is off the scale. With an IQ of 183, a fibbing clown I don't need to be. Holla!
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 06:12:45 AM
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what i know you can never learn, you talk jibberish cause you don't know what you are talking about. being stupid and childish is your way of making people think you know something. you know nothing. we can go to holyfield and tillman and we can see if they know us. i wont back down from you. em if you want control of this you need to tell him something. hes a arm chair quarterback that hopes to be like some of the guys. how can comparing ali and frazier to holyfield and tillman. ali and frazier was not room mates. i never said they were best friends. read the comments, something you don't do well. he calls everyone that doesnt agree with him a stalker he is the one that fronts them first. you dont think you are a little child? who makes up these want to be terrible kiddie so called want to be rhymes? you make no sense and you went to the hood and you think you are cool. its not a proud thing to be from the ghetto just to let you know. that shows you know nothing. we dont have many women on here because they see guys like him and they stop coming. dont you have a football game with the patriots and a basketball game with the bulls to go and play this weekend. you are the most important man in the world. tell us more about your time when you sat in the lap of president obama as a kid
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 07:47:37 AM
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kountedout:
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they are laughing at you not with you. you think guys are stupid you are like a crook, you think you can get away with the crime but you forgot every lie you tell you have to tell a lie for the lie you just told. all your lies dont add up now. why is it that mr bigg kid wants attention. he doesnt get it anywhere else. the internet is a safe haven where you can be who you like to be and no one knows. like when you was telling the guy that he was fat and you didnt know him. you knew nothing of his looks. who is telling lies. who is making things up. a name for you is the INTERNET LYING BANDIT thats who you are. the editor did nothing about it. what they need to do is a 3 strikes rule and you should be the reason and use you as a example.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 07:59:02 AM
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kountedout:
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you know tillman? if you did you wouldnt call someone you know a bum even though he is. i know him well and i would never call him a bum or any other fighter i know. besides he was not a bum. the internet bandit struck again.stop your lies. 3 strikes rule should be in effect
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 08:02:44 AM
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Matthew:
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This is not a stunning revelation at all. In fact, most of us have known the real reason for years. Teddy Atlas (who knows Tyson better than anyone) said this almost immediately after the fight. In his book, Atlas goes into a lot of detail about the psyche of Tyson. He never really learned how to deal with adversity, especially in the ring. Cus D'amato, who did a lot for Tyson, also coddled him and never forced him to learn responsibility. Tyson was a classic bully, in the mold of Sonny Liston. In all the fights in which he lost, it was because the fighter he was up against wasn't afraid of him. Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis all stood up to him and made him back down.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 09:10:21 AM
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dr3r42:
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"Adding the death of his trainer/mentor, Tyson became amazingly cocky". Cus D'Amato died on Novemeber 4, 1985, Mike Tyson only had 11 fights at the time of D'Amato's death- seven days later Tyson KO'ed a stiff in the first round. "Mike stopped throwing combinations and just loaded up on single punch haymakers"- Give me a break, Tyson threw combinations his whole career, including "after Cus Died, or "after he fired Kevin Rooney (the trainer of champions)" Like most swarmers, throwing combinations was ingrained in his head at an early age, and Tyson could probably throw them in his sleep. The only problem was he needed to get inside in order to throw them and he threw less of them against Douglass because he couldn't get inside. Kind of hard to get inside when your opponent's jacking your head back with his jab, or landing his right uppercut everytime you try to come in. Tyson fans have more excuses than anyone. "Cus Died"- yeah, 11 fights into his pro career. "He fired Kevin Rooney"- real trainer of champions- how many champions has this guru trained since being given Tyson ? "Robin Givins messed with Mike's head before the Douglass bout"- what about Douglass ? His mother died a week before the fight and he was 10,000 miles away from her, wasn't he distracted ? The moon, the stars, and the planets all have to align perfectly.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 11:02:37 AM
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RG - an elite real GUN of pugilism not about hard knots:
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MOVIN" ON! Like a sweet SONG! Terrible at disguising that bad grill syntax. All about the boxing, babbbbbeeeeee! Archmaster of it I am. The legit champs know me more and better than I know them. Wow! Some just want to belong so badly, but they cannot. Well, I better make like an atom and split. Holla!
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 12:36:49 PM
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DaveB:
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When Tyson and Holyfield had their first fight I just wanted Holyfield to make a good account of himself. If he could just last two or three good rounds, even if he got knocked out, that was all I asked.Because I surely thought he would lose. During that week I read an article about how Tyson was playing pool with the other boxers in the amatuers, and he missed his shot and gave the pool stick to Holyfield. Then Tyson changed his mind and wanted the pool stick back. Holyfield said the other fighters were watching to see what he would do. He told Mike that fair was fair and that he had his turn and missed his shot and the only way he was going to get the pool stick back was to fight him for it. Tyson, according to Holyfield, backed down. Evander went on to talk some strategy where you could tell he had an insight on Tyson as though he had studied him for some time. I still thought Tyson would win that first one, but by around the fifth or sixth round I thought to myself Holyfield can win this thing. In the second fight I thought Holyfield would win. Me and this other guy were the only two people out of about 10 of us that picked Holyfield. He won the pot because I said he would win in round 11 and I think the other guy said in round seven. We'll never know but I think Holyfield would have won by knockout.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 07:39:27 PM
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the Roast:
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Thanks dr3r42, nobody says it better than you on this topic! I take my hand off to you. Now I will fade off to bolivia. You too DaveB. Well said. Going into the first fight, I thought it was too late for Holyfield. I was just hoping he wouldnt get hurt. After the first two rounds I looked at my buddy and said," he's doing pretty good. " the rest is history.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 08:04:27 PM
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DaveB:
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The Roast is cooking up that comedy. Thanks for the lighter side.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 08:08:48 PM
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the Roast:
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@ Editor Mike, we need to have a ladies night. The Roast will host of course. I love TSS but it is a sausage fest up in here. We will have to hype it up for a few weeks like, COMING SOON TO TSS, LADIES NIGHT WITH The ROAST! I'll work on some topics and get back to you. If we could get Peter Egley to come back to co-host we'd be golden. I gotta go to sleep. I am one beat piece of meat.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 08:12:35 PM
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Isaiah:
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Ladies night? NOW THERE'S AN IDEA! I second that. Just don't invite Oprah. Eww, no thanks.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 09:22:33 PM
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kountedout:
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i was warned by others about you before i signed on to make comments. i read your comments and you always started things. who was henry tillmans trainer? you cant google it like you google everything else right. where did he shoot the guy at? see if you can google that. but you know him. how to tell if you really know someone is when you can tell things that google cant even tell. i know you dont want to discuss it anymore because you are off to invent a new version of the computer. thats right you created google and you and the gangsta started las vegas. you use to manage frank sinatra and elvis pressley when they use to perform in vegas.
Thursday Oct 15, 2009 09:46:52 PM
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Carol Ann Weber:
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Guys, guys, I'm still here. Thanks for acknowledging me. Hope you enjoyed my recounting of that infamous night. I'll never forget it. Feel like I'm watching another ear-bite incident waiting to happen the way you carry on...LOL I love the sweet science, as you all do, and am glad there's still so much talk about it. There's talk that the UFC is taking over, and boxing is a "has-been." What do you think?
Friday Oct 16, 2009 01:12:34 PM
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the Roast:
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@Carol Ann, so glad you came back. Dont worry about these guys. They get a little crazy sometimes. UFC has it's fans but it will never replace boxing. Boxing always survives. As long as there are enough of us die hards, there will always be an audience. The lighter weight classes are as strong as they have ever been. What do you think of the Showtime tournament? I cant wait! Anyway, welcome to TSS.
Friday Oct 16, 2009 07:41:56 PM
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Carol Ann Weber:
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In fact, the lighter weight classes are keeping the sport alive! I'm from back in the day when it was the heavyweights that were the big ticket events. But the lighter guys definitely give the crowd their money's worth. So exciting, with a lot of heart and drama. The Showtime tournament is an interesting idea that I'm still adjusting to. Almost feels like "Dancing with the Stars" meets "Fight Night." But if it brings more fans back to boxing, I'm for it.
Monday Oct 19, 2009 02:33:43 PM
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Ghost314:
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"Tyson admitting the truth has set him free in that it's easier for him to look himself in the mirror now."
I wonder whether Holyfield admitting his abhorrent steroid abuse will do the same for him!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 06:04:19 AM
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mike:
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Its a shame Mike didn't come into the fight with the confidence you need to win. When he said to Oprah Holyfield could beat him man to man. As for wanting to escape the loss with a Disqualification, I would hope that, that isn't true. I'm a Tyson fan and I would have rather seen him go down as a man and not wanting to escape the fight. Tyson is a beast that blazing left hook was my fav, that 1 punch in the arsonal can be a fight changer not a lot of fighters had that. He should have never counted hisself out. It aint over til its over.
Friday Jan 29, 2010 03:20:43 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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