Arum in between Oscar and Shane in 2003. The old wizard is simply masterful at spilling quotes to try and manuever the best deal for Top Rank. He's working hard on Mayweather these days.
Arum's Obvious Agenda: Use Mosley To Bait Mayweather
By Frank Lotierzo
The hypocrisy in boxing is a joke sometimes and on occasion it's hard to take such a great sport seriously. Only it's like a drug and once it gets into your system you're hooked and there's nothing you can do about it. Which applies to most fans, fighters/ex-fighters along with trainers/ex-trainers.
When there's a super-fight in the making or on the horizon, watching and listening to promoters and television executives can often border on being comedic. One day you have HBO's Ross Greenburg saying that Floyd Mayweather has taken the baton from Oscar De La Hoya and is currently boxings’ biggest gun. That was coming on the heels of Top Rank's Bob Arum earlier taking shots at Mayweather from every conceivable angle possible. Then again it's not as if Greenburg and Arum don't have an agenda or entity to push or sell.
When it comes to giving one side of the story and shading the facts Bob Arum is one of the best, but he's doesn't own exclusive rights to that club. Remember when he said Luis Resto should be banned from boxing for life after fighting his fighter Billy Collins with padding removed from his gloves? Then 25 years later defended his fighter Antonio Margarito when his trainer was caught attempting to wrap his hands with a substance like Plaster of Paris prior to his title defense against Shane Mosley. Now that's consistency.
In case anyone hasn't noticed lately Arum has been using Shane Mosley's name for leverage and to brow-beat and embarrass Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the media. Arum is in full attack mode due to his anticipation of how hard it will be to put together a fight between his star fighter, Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather next year if Pacquiao beats Miguel Cotto next month. With Mayweather having adamantly stated that he'd never agree to a 50/50 purse split for a proposed bout with Pacquiao, Arum has slowly begun to implement plans B & C and whatever else it'll take to gain leverage over Mayweather at the negotiating table for a potential fight with Pacquiao.
Arum has done everything but write it on the moon where everybody can see it that in his opinion Floyd Mayweather will never fight Shane Mosley. With the obvious implication being Mayweather fears he can lose to Mosley, more so than it's a case of the money not being right. It appears that Arum believes if he can convince Mayweather that his only options are to fight Pacquiao or Mosley in his next fight, Floyd will be more willing to give up a couple percent to Pacquiao via the purse split as opposed to taking the bigger percentage of less money facing Mosley, who is the perceived bigger threat to beat him.
If I were Arum I too would be using every trick in the book hoping that I could subliminally nudge Mayweather into thinking his only legitimate option is fighting my fighter. However, we are talking about Floyd Mayweather and he doesn't care what anyone thinks or says. He'll fight whoever he wants regardless of what the perception is among those in the boxing community, and Arum of course knows this as well as anyone.
I'm not shy about being a Mayweather critic and believe a year after he retires he'll be a year old ghost, just as he was when he retired in early 2008. As far as him fighting Mosley, I believe there's good reason why he won't. First of all it's not the biggest money fight, although it's one of them. In addition to that Mayweather didn't outclass De La Hoya when they fought and Mosley does everything as a fighter faster and better than De La Hoya, everything. In truth Shane is a grade better fighter than Oscar. So there's a compelling case to make for Shane over Floyd. Then again Mosley will be almost 40 if the fight ever happens. That said Mayweather is no one’s fool and won't be bullied into fighting anyone he doesn't want.
Arum's reasons for trashing Mayweather are very transparent. But let’s be honest, if Mayweather were to fight Mosley and win, is it plausible to think Arum would turn around and split the purse with Floyd if Pacquiao were still considered one of or perhaps the top pound-for-pound fighter in boxing? Of course it's not. If Mayweather beat even a 39 year old Mosley he'd probably leap frog Pacquiao and be considered the top pound-for-pound fighter in boxing, and deservedly so. Not to mention a legitimate case could be made that Floyd actually deserves the bigger percentage of the purse split over Pacquiao coming off a victory over Mosley.
In reality Arum doesn't want Mayweather to fight Mosley. And if Mayweather signed to fight him Arum would admonish Floyd for fighting an old man. Not to mention how much Arum would dismiss a Mayweather victory over Mosley if it happened. I could just see Arum on ESPN the next day telling anyone within earshot how Floyd didn't do anything except beat an old fighter who already lost five times prior to Mayweather fighting him.
After listening to Arum and Mayweather, especially after Mayweather's one-sided victory over Juan Manuel Marquez, I'm not convinced we'll see Pacquiao-Mayweather if Manny beats Cotto. With Arum and Mayweather knowing so much about each other and how the other one thinks, can you picture either backing down from the perspective that their side warrants the lion’s share of the money? If Pacquiao is impressive against Cotto, there's no way in the world Arum will let him agree to purse parity.
Based on their history expect Arum to toss more arrows Mayweather's direction than the opposite. Arum will do all that he can to try and diminish Floyd with the thought behind it being he can get Floyd to take the smaller percentage if Pacquiao-Mayweather is to be realized. Mayweather won't fall for it and in all likelihood if Pacquiao and Mayweather fight, they'll agree to a 50/50 purse split or the fight won't be made. The only trump card Arum has is Pacquiao can make a ton of money without fighting bigger fighters. Pacquiao's legacy is much more solidified than Mayweather's is. Manny could get blasted out by Cotto and he won't take a hit historically as a result of it. The perception of Pacquiao having an advantage in one way or another in his signature fights is non-existent. Whereas Mayweather is one loss or bad decision away from possibly being more remembered for that than his previous fights.
One thing is for sure, if Pacquiao beats Cotto which is certainly not a given, it'll be more entertaining and fun watching Arum and Mayweather tear each other apart then it'll be watching Pacquiao and Mayweather face each other in the ring. In truth Arum has already started doing such way in advance.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
If Floyd were to beat Mosley I would be giving him the props he deserved. I think Mosley is still on top of his game in my opinion. A rejuvanized Mosley is a worthy opponent for Floyd. If he was to beat Mosley I would put Floyd the p4p title even if he has yet to face the current p4p King. Floyd has no choice but to give up the bigger share to the winner of Pac-Cotto or face Mosley. They(Floyd and Arum) even may have to come to terms and go 50-50. But like I said Floyd only came back to clear up his debt and run back into the sunset.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 09:20:59 AM
COTTO K.O'S MANNY IN 9:
Doesnt matter Cotto is going to K.O the so called P4P by the 9th guaranteed and then Mayweather will fight Cotto and yes i do believe Mayweather will beat Cotto in a good one.All this talk about Pacman fighting Mayweather next like its a 'given' against Cotto is ridiculious to the point absurd.Cotto WILL K.O Manny by the 9th rd and then all these pacturds can hop off the Manny bandwagon once they get a dose of reality!!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 09:29:55 AM
Isaiah@#1Pacfan:
I agree. Mayweather will find every exscuse in the world why not to fight Mosley. If this fight did happen by some miracle, Mosley wins a UD hands down. It's a real shame because regardless of Arum's agenda, Mosley has earned this fight and huge payday.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:05:46 AM
Big Al:
It will never happen. Floyd said that he fought JMM because he called him out (and he did so mildly, respectfully). Mosley is realing pouring it on and Floyd, of course, isn't saying a word because he knows Sugar Shane is formidable. Too formidable for him. Mosley-Mayweather has as much chance as Klitschko-Klitschko, meaning NONE. Floyd is looking for a Vic Darchinyan or Chris John type guy, not a welterweight.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:35:09 AM
brownsugar:
Don't worry Frank,.. I don't think anybody will mistake you for a PBF fan,.. but I think the difference between Mosely and Del La Hoya wasn't that Mosely was a whole "class" better than Del La Hoya,.. more likely he had a steroid syringe or two advantage on DLH,... I don't think Mosely is using it today,... but he would have been loaded with the stuff when he rematched Oscar,.. but this article is the reason why I'd rather see a Mayweather fight Cotto instead,... there would be protracted negotiations there,.. but Roach and company will be clinging to the lopsided win over Oscar as a reason for an inequitable percentage,.. 50/50 is more than fair,.. .....With both fighters making more than they ever have before,... if they want to quibble about cash,... how about taking more of a cut from Cable or something out of the greedy promoters pockets,.. (oh forgot Floyd promotes himself),.. but this entire discussion is pure conjecture,.. Pac has to get by Cotto first,....and Floyd won't be making any announcements anytime soon...
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:48:15 AM
brownsugar:
********* there would be no protracted discussion there********
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:50:04 AM
cadoski:
There's no way a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight can be made. Just like what happened before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight I think the next opponent for Mayweather will be announced before the Pacquiao-Cotto fight scheduled before the Phil. elections. Mayweather is in an avoidance mode. He is scared of Manny, cuz Manny has only to say "BOO" and he is going to jump out of his boxing shorts for a KO before the bell sounds.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 11:09:16 AM
CHARLES:
WOW,THIS WRITER COULD READ MINDS,PALM READER MAYBE?KEEP ON TALKING BOYS,AFTER THE COTTO FIGHT,PACQUIAO WILL BE SITTING ON PHILIPPINE BEACH,RETIRED,RICH,AND CONGRESSMAN
Monday Oct 12, 2009 12:01:25 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
I don't think Frank Lo has a favorite boxer. He is a surgeon who disects a fighter inside out and find every inch of flaws you have. He has criticized Manny, Floyd, Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito. That's why I love reading his pieces because you'll never know who he'll expose next. @brownsugar, you may be a hardcore Mayweather fan but you still see three dimensionally. I think 50-50 is fair and if they want to get technical, why don't they give 55-45 in favor of the winner by knockout. That should give a fighter an urgency if it's money they want.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 12:48:31 PM
brownsugar@#1PacFan:
sound good to me #1,.. would really add some spice to the mix and an extra incentive for each man to fight like they never have before...
Monday Oct 12, 2009 01:34:55 PM
Jeff:
Floyd Jr should only fight the winner of pac/cotto with a 50/50 split on the purse.. then the winner of floyd jr vs whoever shall face shane mosely 53/47 split being mosely taking the smaller percentage.. What do you think?
Monday Oct 12, 2009 02:22:36 PM
donputo69 ready to head back to NY:
Zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz.....this scareweather bull$#1t is getting old already...holla back!!!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 02:41:11 PM
RG - PacManite na mababang-loob:
Wow! Superelitefightwriter F-Lo, that first paragraph was COLD! A flickin' FREEZE! OMG! But TRUE! Next, PacMan is going to kayo Cotto, I'll give you that -- unless Cotto has so much pride that he gets disqualified -- remindful of Mike Tyson without bitting -- probably by hitting low, bodyslamming, arm twisting and rabbit punching. You know that Miguel likes to do dirty boxing. And Money May is probably not going to fight PacMan after the Pinoy's victory because they are mountains apart. Team Pac wants a catchweight, and Family Money May wants a 60-40 purse split. My guess is that Manny will next fight a-coming-back Margarito or an ancient Sugarman, who is broke and messed-up from divorcing his Asian wife. The dude is a basket case. Don't take that meltdown he had with Money May for grant it. (That's my girl! She knows that it is ASIAN TIME!) And like you said, Sefw F-Lo, Money May is going to fight whomever he wants to. He could even fight an unretiring Golden Boy De la Hoya. The game's bitnezz is stranger than ever. I got a hunch that Money May is going to do what he said he'd never do. "Boxing business with Don King." The legal mayhem game is call prizefighting, not pridefighting. So it is first, and foremost -- and it should be that -- fo' da MONEY!!! Getting PAID royalty, grand and righteously, fo' REAL! These as-if-they-are-hooked-on-drugs followers of the game will get that fix no matter what. They gotta get that HIGH. "So HIGH, so HIGH, you're gonna touch da sky!" I'm putting my moola on Money fighting a Don King fighter overseas. Maybe in China or across da pond in Great Britain. Money May is big time popular in both places. He is even popular in Dubai UAE and in Egypt, where the pointed-to-the-heavens afro-wearing cunning and conning promoter is gonna be doing great hurt bitnezz. I wasn't born yesterday. DK is already all up in Money May's grill hollering, "Help out a brotha from anotha' motha! You is da Man! I luv ya, and I'm gonna gib ya diz big money plan! You don't need da white Man! Nun of 'em ain't no good no way. Dey treat ya bad cause ya a n_____! And ya kno' da truth will set ya free! Ya'll make mo' moola wut me! Come along and ya will see! I luv ya, baby!" And Money will/is going to BIT BIG TIME! And will say to the boxing audience, "My momma didn't raise a fool! I put my life at risk, so I'm going to get paid well for it. I'm makin' history and givin' da fans want they want. I'm best of all times." (Sucka ain't even da best of these times. Manny is!) Holla!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 03:15:42 PM
RG - just spittin' da truth:
***BITE BIG TIME!....
Monday Oct 12, 2009 03:20:42 PM
kirk3451:
Sorry folks but Scareweather Jr. will never fight Pacman in this lifetime. Scareweather will never fight Mosley nor Cotto and most especially nor Paul Williams. Scareweather will look for the smallest less threatening opponent in the lower divisions and find a way to hype the match to force it on the gullible boxing fans that the match-up is fair and even.. Scareweather is just GAY and a BIG CHICKEN!!!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 03:31:35 PM
Pol Canonce Barugo, Leyte Phil.:
Even Arum's crafty manuevers can not pull a Mayweather-Pacquiao ring battle. Mayweather is too boastful of his seemingly best boxer mindset that he tends to make a fool of himself. He is too far in the P4P ratings as a matter of fact because he had been afraid all his boxing career of Mosley, Margarito, and has a shade of fear on PACMAN. If he is really that talented as he like to proclaim, then issue a challenge to Bernard Hopkins for a catch weight just what De La Hoya did and PACMAN did when he fought the Golden Boy. Or try to challenge Kelly Pavlik or Paul Williams. Unless you do this, you are an empty shell out in the vast sea shore.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 04:15:03 PM
floydfan:
Why shouldnt Floyd get the bigger purse share? Hes the cash cow not Pacquiao.....No one sees the work ma boy puts in until the PPV numbers come up.....Then everyones like huh? How he do that? Hes already hyping up his next fight.....Dont be surprised if he does 2 million PPV buys next time round......It could be against anyone......Ma boy Floyd dont need Pacquiao to do big numbers.......Even a blind man can see that.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 04:22:11 PM
rene:
F Lo, why not before the fight pac and pbf would have an even 45-45 (or 40-40) and whoever wins gets the remaining 10 (or 20)? big mouth floyd says he is the best and surely he can "beat" pac so he can go home with a higher purse of at least 55-45 (or 60-40). and he can shut his critics as well.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 04:30:28 PM
goodstuff:
Floyd won't be a p4p number 1 even if he defeated Mosley. He should really have to destroy pacquiao to become at the top of the sport again.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 04:45:16 PM
Heatman:
Mayweather is a COWARD. Cotto fanatics are COWARD.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 05:25:07 PM
Jeff The Rican:
Floyd is not gonna fight Mosley, he is scared he wont win. Same goes for Cotto if he beats Pacquiao. If Manny beats Cotto he wont fight him because he's gonna want more money.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 06:09:27 PM
eric:
Pacman doesn't need to fight Mayweather! His legacy is already intact, his money is enormous and he knows how to manage it! His fight with Cotto is just an icing on the cake, win or lose he can retire with his head high up! It's Mayweather who has a problem, when he loses his take on JMM fight what's going to happen next? He can never run nor hide from the legitimate welterweights!! Just watch him fall in disgrace!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 06:23:09 PM
Isaiah@floydfan:
Hey man! You really think Floyd could do 2 million PPV buys next time out?! Are you out of your mind? Do you think if he fought anyone not named Manny Pacquiao that he could pull in those kind of numbers? "It could be against anyone..." end quote. Dude, what are you smoking?! I guess you also think Floyd's PPV numbers with Oscar De La Hoya had absolutely nothing to do with Oscar too huh? OPEN YOUR EYES! De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez all had huge followings! Mosley deserves the shot against Floyd, but the only way Floyd is pulling off 2 million PPV buys and his opponent is not named De La Hoya or Pacquiao is if the Devil invites you over for a hockey game. Here's some more facts that fit your logic. George W. Bush was the greatest Amercian President ever. The world is flat. Racism no longer exsists. I have a bridge to sell you. Mayweather fights all comers. Paris Hilton is the most respectable woman alive. You can be healthiest on the Chris Arreola diet. Butterbean is the greatest fighter ever. Ok, that should be enough fertilizer for all the farmers in the world. LATER.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 06:46:32 PM
ali:
F-lo how can you say Mosley is way better then Oscar when they had to very close fights and I think ODH won the second one. Another thing is Mayweather fought ODH at 154 with bigger gloves then he's use to wearing and he still won the fight. @#1Pacfan I agree with you they should do a 50-50 split and larger % goes to the fighter that scores a K.O. Now do I think thats fair no but for the sake of boxing I hope they can agree to somethen cause thats the #1 fight that can be made in boxing.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 06:51:11 PM
floydfan:
Now listen here @#$!% if ma boys bringing in an easy 1 milion against lil ol Marquez ......Than you can bet your life a PBF Mosley or even Cotto would do far far better than that.......Im guessing 1.5 1.8 or even 2 milion ha ha ha ha. Get over it kid ya boy Pacquiao aint no cash cow never was.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 06:56:29 PM
Marco Polo:
don't be surprise if pac is fighting mosley in 2010 or marquez. PBF vs MP will never happen. unless its 50/50. PBF is fighting only for money, he doesn't care about his fans.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 07:18:25 PM
#1floydfan:
I figuered id put the #1 back in ma name cause I realy am #1........I couldnt care less who wins this fight......Just over a month to go and well see who comes out victorious......Is going ta be me vs the Pacfans or me vs the Cotto fans he he he.......Ma boy Floyds gotta 5 fight deal with GBP I know one of ya boys gonna get hit by Floyd.....Despite all the rumers ma boy aint tryna duck no body....He just wants what he deserves.....And thats 60-40......Tell me who has a record of 6 time world champion in 5 diferent weight classes that ducks people?
Monday Oct 12, 2009 07:21:03 PM
#1floydfan:
Yeah Yeah Yeah thats what everyone said before he fought lil ol Marquez......Ha ha ha Floyd cant even sell all the tickets......And you know whatt happend after that dont you? Ma boy went and done 1 million PPV buys......Look at the stats PBF/Oscar you know damn well that did better than ya boy Pacquiao when he fought Oscar......Same thing happend to Ricky Hatton and ya boy......Ma boy blew those numbers outta the water........Oh lets not forget about PBF/JMM......Admit it F---L ma boys the cash cow ha.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 07:28:45 PM
#1floydfan:
while your boys out making movies playing holywood just remember ma boys out there hitting the streets promoting himself.......Sooo dont expect a bigger purse share when ya boy dont want ta put in the work......Besides I wouldnt worry too much about me.....Ya boy still needs to get past Cotto......Who has Pacquiao fought that even comes close to who Cottos fought ? Ill tell ya NO ONE thats who.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 07:36:39 PM
packillsmayweather:
Pacquiao goes after fighters that Fraud May is afraid of, namely welterweights. Fraud will gladly jump through hoops to fight the 130 pounder Marquez and the 140 pound Hatton.
And then to top it off, he'll cheat and buy to come in bigger than the contracted weight. Greatest?..LMAO He can't even clean up his own division, he won't even fight any legitimate WW. But he'll gladly fight a featherweight. I heard he's awaiting a challenge from Nonito Donaire..lol.
Which will happen first, Fraud fighting Cotto or Shane, or Uncle Roger taking an English class? We all know the answer. None of those will ever happen.
After Pacquiao KO's Cotto, Frauds win over the 130 pound Marquez won't even register a blip on the boxing radar. Cotto/Pacquiao will be talked about decades from now, Marquez/Fraud will be forgotten in 6 months.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 07:41:01 PM
Fe'Roz :
Somebody's gone and got himself up in F-Lo's grill this weekend. That first line about 'love is the drug' would be funny if it wasn't so close to the truth. Boxing is an addiction. EM might even want to start a section called Boxing Anonymous aka BA....for those of us who are hopelessly hooked. And that line about Floyd becoming a "Ghost' the minute he leaves the game. Ouch. That is straight out literature. Non-fiction for sure...but literature nevertheless. Think about it. If Floyd retires, what mark will he leave. What highlight, what fight, what hallmark can you point that speaks to 'greatness' in his absence? Name one absolute masterpiece that will define a place so great that his name will not simply be remembered....but always spoken. They do not exist. Yet. Floyd still has time. But while he picks and chooses in what is turning out to be a resurgent boxing era (yes, viewership has increased some 40% by some measures).....the stage is being stolen by a small man with a huge heart. And the skills to take on all comers. Manny Pacquiao will be watched and spoken of for as long as there are two men willing to fight in a ring for money. Floyd and Manny are making money. For now, Only Manny is making history
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:01:20 PM
ed:
how an it be 50/50....just take a look at the numbers....they dont lie. Pac is popular in the philipines but those peeps done buy ppv's...is he more popular than pretty boy floyd--over my dead body.....dont worry abt the numbers for the fights just take a look at the 24/7 ratings for each fighter
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:16:48 PM
#1floydfan:
Ya ya ya Mannys making history by beating an old man a chump and a midget woooooow let his name echo through time lol. Ma boys only half way done Pacquiaos looking for a way out.......Well see whos making history once ma boys 5 fights is done.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:24:40 PM
kountedout:
floyd don't need pacquiao to make money. pacquiao don't need floyd to make money. this is a business. shane mosley don't want to see floyd. why did shane pull out of the clottey fight? that would have been very tough for shane. shane is 38 years old. the last thing shane wants to see is speed. ask hopkins against calzaghe. look at the wins of mosley and hopkins, pavlik and margarito. To slow methodical fighters. look how mosley looked against cotto. he couldn't handle the speed of cotto and he got out boxed. look how hopkins looked against calzaghe, he flat out couldn't handle the speed of calzaghe and he couldn't handle the speed of jermain taylor.old fighters don't wanna see speed. Now if you think mosley wanna see floyd and if you think he can beat floyd then go bet your house on him and see dont you come out being homeless.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:27:33 PM
Fe'Roz :
That is a truly great and original name. #1 Floydfan !! By any chance, does that name come with a medium or full size tube of lubricant . Apparently, the full has enough for the lips and hands.....and leaves enough just in case. And since you're talking about Floyd's big boys, you might want to stock up. In the meantime, while Floyd fiddles, those of us a bit more objective will be watching real fights......
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:31:24 PM
commonsense:
sorry boys....the gig is up, everyone thought when PBF retired the boxing world would forget him but in those 2 years all they did was continue to write about him and wonder if he would come back, boxing was missing its spark and you all felt it. I know u hate Floyd but you LOVE hating him and you missed hating how good and arrogant ge was, but now he's back show ing you how good he is again and sparking boxing up once again and giving you haters more work to do lol....he came back and fought JMM and made over 1mil PPV buys.....really?? PAC-MAN didn't do that even if you combine both of his fights with JMM lol....i wonder what the difference was....hmmmmm.....maybe....just maybe it was......FLOYD "MONEY/ MR.HBO" MAYWEATHER!!!!! Floyd is the best you all know it, Bernard Hopkins put a battery in Mosley's to jump in the ring and act stupid, we all know thats not Mosley's style and we saw B-hop coaching him on....but let me let you in a on a little secret, B-hop doesnt think Shane is better than Floyd.....google it. B-Hop said out of his own mouth that PBF is the best boxer of our era. its all about money folks, but Floyd knows that, and he aint givin Shane a dime, cuz he been ducking PBF since 1996 and now he want a big payday so he can cash out wit fat pockets.....too bad. And Pac aint fightin PBF either cuz Freddie Roach has made it clear on seperate occassions that he doesnt think its a smart fight for Pac. PBF would laser his ass all night long to a UD. But it don't matter cuz smart money says COTTO is gonna "HULK SMASH" Pac-Man come Nov. let's use a little "COMMONSENSE" :-) PAC got rocked and almost KO'd by JMM who has about the same speed as COTTO but about 1/3 the strength.....we all saw COTTO withstand some monsterous "PLASTER LACED" bombs from a true big welterweight in Margacheato....do you really think PACMAN is gonna hit harder than that?? And what happens when COTTO lands pure hardcore welterweight jawbreaker on PACMANS Filipino chin-strap lol, its gonna be ugly boys...real ugly. The false p4p king will be beheaded by Cotto who in turn will be beat bloody by FLOYD "LASERTAG" MAYWEATHER.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:32:54 PM
kountedout:
when do floyd pick and choose his fights? why do we have amnesia when it comes to floyd. floyd has been forced to fight a lot of fighters that he didn't want to fight. he never wanted to fight baldomir, gatti. so happen he is undefeated. he has a special gift that you can't take away from him no matter what name you call him. the boy just flat out has skills. he is the only guy out that everyone writes articles about on how you MIGHT be able to beat him. NO BLUEPRINT but all the other fighters has a blueprint on how to beat them. yes floyd can be beat by someone much bigger then him like a paul williams but the rest of the guys they can't beat floyd. most of you thought marquez would beat him. if floyd and pacquiao ever meet i would like to see the winner get 60% and the loser 40% whether it's a KO or by decision. I know floyd will go for that
Monday Oct 12, 2009 08:41:35 PM
Yes Yo!:
I think, for all their posturings being a bigger draw than Mayweather, Pacman's camp, will in the end, after all the ritual sound and fury, the hemming and hawing, be willing to agree a 50-50 split. Sure, Pacman's in this for the money, and there's nothing wrong with it per se, but he also understands legacy, pride, glory, risk-taking, and all that. It's not just the money. He's so unlike "Money" May where "money" is the be all and end all of all the fight he has taken, the moment he acquired his superstar status. So, if we want this fight to be made, the onus is on Mayweather and if it is not made, we know who to blame. But if only for the ridiculous money he stands to make even if its a 50-50 split, I have the sinking feeling that Mayweather will still agree to take this fight, because none would be bigger at the moment anyway. There's a lot of moolah to be made for everybody here so there's a greater chance for this fight to happen than not happen... we hope...
Monday Oct 12, 2009 09:11:13 PM
Marcus:
Comparing Pacquiao to Mayweather, is like comparing diamond to a rhinestone. PBF is Harlem Globetrotters while Manny Pacquio is the Chicago Bulls of Michael Jordan era. Mayweather doesn’t even deserve to be in P4P ranking, how on earth you see a boxer who never fight in his rightful weight level, preferred to fight a guy 3 weight class below him, and still claiming the best in the world. Supposed the Pacman retires, and then decided to return to box and choose Ivan Calderon as comeback opponent. Not only Manny will defeat Ivan Calderon but he pulverized Ivan to a pulp, will Manny get the same accolade PBF gets for beating an out of shape opponent. If remaining undefeated by fighting subfar opponent should be considered a legacy, then where do we place Calgazhe, Valero and other worthy fighter who fight A class fighters and retired undefeated.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 09:33:08 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1:
That's too funny Isiah. @Ali, why does Floyd deserve the bigger share when he took the easy fight coming back? If you ask me it should be Pac who gets the bigger half. He fought his way up fighting bigger opponents and now he takes on Cotto. Like I said b4 Manny could've pulled a Mayweather and let the fight come to him meaning wait on Floyd. I bet if TSS made a poll to vote who should get the bigger share Manny woiuld win by a wide margin. Just too many "PacFans" that flood the net that they got their own sites. It's Pacquiao Nation taking over.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:05:42 PM
Fe'Roz :
You have to hand to him. The man said that he 'loves his job'. True passion and dedication. You can't beat that. On the other hand....He might be able to.... 'beat' that as well.
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:23:24 PM
Fe'Roz :
I just ran a quick Google search on four names: Oscar, Manny, Floyd and Miguel. The number of results are as follows: ODLH 2.4 million. Manny 2.1 million. Floyd 950,000. Miguel 550,000. that may not represent actual fans....but it is suspiciously close to what I imagine would be the percentage of Fans respectively....if such a metric existed. Prediction: Win or lose. Manny's fight in November will trump PBF significantly.
Earning him at minimum the PPV title. and that is Floyd's problem. records are made to fall and they will. But history looks past numbers. It looks at actions. And Great men are judged by great actions. pc
Monday Oct 12, 2009 10:31:17 PM
brownsugar:
sho is gettin deep in here and Fe'Roz can swim with the best of em,.. I can't believe we have noobs on the site,.. messing with #1,.. Isaiah, and Fe'Roz,.. an exercise in futility....
Monday Oct 12, 2009 11:16:21 PM
Smiley C:
Knuckleheads just keep trying to turn this Universe in one of the weak racist and gender name calling ones. Show respect for the fightwriters and serious fightreaders. Talk boxing and cut out this G*y and G*yweather stuff. It's revealed you as a bigot and a simpleton fo' sure!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 11:23:55 PM
MisterLee:
SmileyC is right, for certain!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 11:36:11 PM
MisterLee @ Floyd supporters:
Here's the big question: Has floyd ever fought a fighter in his own weight class that was ALSO on the p4p top 10 list when they fought? Holler! (mosley has, de la hoya, margarito, cotto [if not at the time he sure was after the fight], winky wright, vernon forrest). Pc out, if you're a real Floyd fan , answer the question, and don't duck it like Floyd ducks welterweights and jr. middleweights. Holler!
Monday Oct 12, 2009 11:37:23 PM
Isaiah:
By the way, last time I checked, I picked Miguel Cotto to beat Manny Pacquiao. It doesn't matter who wins this fight, because whoever does, the fans win. It's something Pretty Boy Floyd just doesn't understand.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 12:40:37 AM
lakay:
if ever pacman/floyd fight happens be 45/45 share with 10 for the winner. 147 can be done but weighted at fight night with 1million dollars penalty each pound excess. see what happens to hatton, never underestimate the power of a former flyweight pacman that one expert suggest can knockout a heavyweight tyson
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 02:05:44 AM
e-rod:
with pacquiao's win, pac vs floyd and cotto vs mosley.......with cotto's win, cotto vs floyd and pac vs juanma.......arum has all the options....
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 02:57:21 AM
Isaiah:
I'm a fair man. Was Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo on the Pound for Pound list when Floyd beat them? I really don't know. I'm asking. Since 2002, I know for sure Floyd has not beat an elite man his size. V. Sosa, Demarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti, some nobody before Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya, Once Undersized Ricky Hatton and even Twice Undersized Juan Manuel Marquez. Manny Pacquiao, hmm, let's see. 5-1-1 against the brutal, Mexican future hall of famers of Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, all at good weights for them, and oh wow, once every 3 or so fights, Manny takes a tune up fight like David Diaz. Big deal. Look above. So does Mayweather. Not to metion Manny's much BIGGER wins over Oscar De La Hoya (THAT'S HOW YOU BEAT A FADED GREAT FLOYD!) and Ricky Hatton, at 140 thank you very much.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 04:07:45 AM
Isaiah:
Let's see Miguel Cotto fought P4P guys Shane Mosley and Antonio Margartito, winning one, losing one. Shane Mosley fought those names listed above. Antonio Margarito beat Miguel Cotto, but lost to Paul Williams and Shane Mosley. Paul Williams lost to Quintana who hasen't been on the P4P list as far as I know, but is still a good Welter. Williams also beat Margartio as mentioned and is going to fight Kelly Pavlik who was on the P4P list not very long ago. Can you ones in denial see the truth yet? There's guys who fight elite guys their size or even go up in weight to fight a top P4P guy and then there's Floyd Mayweather Jr, a man with no heart, no guts and no honor who will take your last dollar and gladly not put on a show. In retrospect, the only P4P guy Mayweather beat since 2002 is Ricky Hatton and it's hard to count that against a smaller, obviously much less talented man. Once again, I REST MY CASE.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 04:19:40 AM
Fe'Roz @ Isaiah:
Judge Isaiah has ruled. Case Closed. To be re-visited when new evidence is produced.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:03:05 AM
Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar:
You might say our noob is about as hapless as one of his own hero's opponents. pc
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:05:46 AM
kountedout:
a lot of guys here reminds me of little kids in school who is mad because they can't beat the athlete in class. so they talk about him but yet can't beat him. still NO BLUEPRINT on beating floyd no matter what you say. Do we have a blueprint on beating manny-yes mosley-yes cotto-yes hopkins-yes jones, jr-yes. i don't know where these guys were listed on p4p but didn't floyd beat chicanito hernandez, corrales, castillo who were elite fighters an bigger then floyd. if some guys didn't show so much hate they could see the truth. floyd fought most of these guys who were bigger then him. floyd started out at 130. corley and others started at 140. who is the bigger man. what do you mean by bigger? you hate to admit it but I will sum it up for you. it's like when you are a kid and you go out for the football, baseball, basketball team with kids your own age but yet they promote you to play with kids older then you because you are so much better the the kids your age. You are describing Floyd. I'm a boxing fan. i just don't like one fighter
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:51:43 AM
kountedout:
how many over the hill fighters has floyd, cotto or mosley ever fought? floyd never fought for a vacant title. if floyd fights mosley and when he wins you will say mosley is over the hill. name me over the hill fighters that manny has fought? delahoya, morales, barrera, larios. that's his legacy. fighting washed up fighters.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:59:46 AM
Palawenio (Espejo):
For #Floydfan,
Don't get too excited with the 1 million PPV generated by Mayweather-Marquez fight. Two reasons why it was succesful, 1) Fans were curious if PBF still has it (and yes he still has it)
2) 50% of the viewers were Mexicans
Now, since the PBF honeymoon is over, He will never reach the 1 milllion mark again unless he fights PACQUIAO.
Getting back to the issue of Arum's intention, Frank Lotierzo is obviously doing his homework all the time why he came up with that sceneario. Please remember that ARUM is a Businessman first and being a Fan is his second passion. Gee, Did you read how he commented about the Pacquiao/Cotto fight? If you read between the lines, he was too careful not to offend Cotto but his body language can't hide his desire for Pacquiao to win. Uncle Bob, we know you love our man Pacquiao and thank you for that but please for the sake of good boxing, You and PBF must stop this "game". Remember, PFB and PACQUIAO come only once in a lifetime and if this fight did not happen, it would be the biggest BLUNDER in the history of boxing and guess what, Your name ARUM will be forever carved in the book for the main reason of this once in a lifetime fight. SO PLEASE UNCLE BOB, please be a Fan first.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 08:10:13 AM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
@kountedout, obviously you're the little kid because the excuses you make about Manny fighting washed up fighters is old. You weren't around when I heard this two years ago son. Let me shortened it up for you, Manny makes you look old when you're in there with him. If you want me to get deep into it look up the past archives and you'll be convinced. I haven't heard that in a while. Nice try though.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 09:15:32 AM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
Come Nov. 14 I'm in a win win situation. I've got my two top fighters squaring off and my best bet would be Pac but I can't underestimate the fighting pride of PR MC. Now many of you wonder why I have Manny winning by KO in the 7. It can go either way because there aint going to be a decision in this fight. I think Manny can handle Cotto's power but I could be wrong and may well end up vice versa. But for now I'm sticking to my #1 fighter who has never let down his #1 Fan. MP by KO in the 7th who will be the first ever to win 7 world title in 7 divisions.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 09:21:00 AM
TheTruth:
Damn F-Lo!! You don't cut Floyd any slack do you? You make good points though...It's the Hypocrisy of the sport... Mayweather is My Favorite Pug, but If Floyd doesn't fight Mosley and/or the winner of the Pac/Cotto fight, I could care less! Floyd's MOUTH turns people off more than anything...He says he's the G.O.A.T. but won't take a Great challenge b/c he's already proven he's the best and/or it doesn't bring enough Money to the table...Maybe we as FANS are asking to much? We want to see our Fav's go up against the BEST available opposition and I'm sure MOST boxer feel the same, but they also want to be Compensated for their Hard Work...Floyd will fight one of them next, I'm sure of it...I hate to say irt, but you're right about Pac and Floyd losing...Pac loses...he lost to a Bigger fighter..no shame in that, you were taking a risk to be Great...Floyd on the other hand, IF he ever suffers a lost...HE WAS EXPOSED! It's a Dirty Game! For the Record I think he beats all 3... Shane is the toughest fight (IMO) as his spee, power, and grit will make it a tough day for the smaller Mayweather...
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 09:33:03 AM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
Arum is the best in the business when it comes to promoting. He knows that Floyd has no interest in Mosley and can only depend on Pac-Cotto winner to earn the biggest payday of his career. Pac and Cotto are on Top Rank stable and Arum already knows that he will gain leverage no matter how you see it. Those two will definitely find next opponents after their bouts which is why Arum isn't all that worried. If Pac wins he can challenge Mosley which Arum won't mind one bit now that we know how bad of a relationship him and Floyd have. If Cotto wins he can also put him up against Mosley for a tantalizing rematch a public won't mind either. If Pac loses then we might see him for a third time with the canvass kisser. If Cotto loses then we can see him against Margacheato for a rematch. Floyd is stuck and he must either fight Mosley or give up that big ego he's carried for so long is his career.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 12:22:09 PM
MANNYAKO:
GOTTA GIVE FLOYD CREDIT, BUT NOT TOO MUCH. HE BEAT AN OLD DE LA HOYA, BEAT A SORRY HATON, A SMALL AND OLD MARQUEZ AND UH ........ I THINKS THATS IT. WOULD OF LOVED TO SEE HIM FIGHT MOSLEY , OSCAR BACK IN 2001 OR SO.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 12:52:47 PM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:
Its not about who fought who or who's better it all boils down to numbers and Mayweather has better numbers. You can say Pac is more exciting whatever but he still doesn't do better numbers. Like I said before ODH got money then Pac why cause of the numbers Mayweather took less money Lennox Lewis and Holyfield then took less money when they fouhgt Tyson why because of the numbers thats all that counts if you don't know that you don't know boxing.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:00:12 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
@Ali, I know it's about numbers but I think that will not a be factor when it comes to negotiating with Team Pacquiao and Top Rank. They aren't going to budge in my opinion. This article says it all. It's my way or the highway meaning go fight Mosley which Floyd isn't all that interested in. I'll be surprise if Arum gives in to Floyd as to him wanting a 60-40. Arum isn't even willing to split it 50-50 which is sad because that's like playing Floyd's game. I never really cared for the politics of boxing and I"ve been around it long enough to not pay attention. But it doesn't mean I know nothing of boxing when it comes to situations like these.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:09:09 PM
ali @ MisterLee:
Why do you always say Mayweather is doing the ducking when he don't fight somebody you think he should. We already know for sure Mosley ducked him this is fact Arum said Cotto wasn't ready when that fight was being talked about. Pac was a up and coming fighter in a lower weight class Forrest was no longer fighting at 147 by the time Mayweather got there Winky never was at 147 ODH when he was in the top ten p4p they wasn't in the same weight class Margacheato why even bring up a fuc**ing cheater so what the hell are you talking about.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:13:53 PM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:
If its about numbers why is you bringing up who he fought in his comeback fight it don't matter. I know you know your boxing but I think you let how you feel about Pac interfere with what the facts are. Let me give a an example you just said you know it is ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS but you also said Pac should get the bigger half now if you know its ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS why do you think Pac should get the bigger half when you know Floyed has done better numbers.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:24:22 PM
TheTruth:
@ MANNYAKO - I guess you don't remember Floyd @ 130 & 135...the names Manfredy, Corrales, Chavez, Hernandez, & Castillo don't ring a bell? Floyd STOPS the wide-swinging Southpaw (that you created your moniker off of) IF they ever lace em up!
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:27:19 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
@Ali, you're the one that's letting your emotions take over. Yes big deal he did 1 million buys but he aint no Oscar. Oscar called the shots all the time. He said he wanted this guy and this time and place and he got it. You don't see Floyd doing that shit. Hell he's praying Arum would just give in to him. As far as me saying Pac should get the bigger share well that's my opinion. Why do you defend this Fraud when all he does is rob you of your money. You're a fool to think you got your moneys worth on his return. He freaking ducked his way up the ranks and you know it. You just don't want to admit it.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:53:36 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
It's not just me MisterLee, Fe'Roz, and TSS Floyd critic who thinks he should have fought the real challenge. It's the damn whole boxing community. Answer this, why in the hell did he retire after defeating RH? There was Cotto, Mosley, Marg, Clottey, and Williams all are Welterweight. All were #1 Contenders and not pretenders that Floyd's has faced.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:57:44 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
@Ali, If you can answer that I'll leave you alone.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 01:59:30 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
They outa divide us all. One section who are the fans who wants to see best of the best ONE vs TWO. Two who are willing to watch mismatches and are all about business politics of this game. If you were a real boxing fan you'd be like f@ck the politics of boxing and give me a real fight. That's a fightfans mentality. I even criticized Arum for not pitting Manny with the real fights at 135. The difference is that Floyd's his own promoter and chooses the easiest opponents. He's in it for himself not for you and that's what separates him and Manny. He fights for his fans and country.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 02:10:39 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1 in "09:
Time to clock out, I'll get back with your response.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 02:32:07 PM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:
Boy I didn't know that would make you so mad calm down I know I made a great point and you can't really answer it just keep it real and say I made a great point. For one Mayweather has always gave me my money's worth cause I love defense more then offense and he never fail in that dept. Like I said you let you emotions get in the way when you say that's your opinion but your opinion ain't how boxing works mine is. As for as him not fighing the names you type in read my post I wrote to MisterLee and you will get your answer.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 02:54:07 PM
RG - PacManite na pinakamababang -loob:
I'm reminded of knuckeheaded Congressman Joe Wilson outburst to Hawaiian Punch Prez O. The Truth: "You LIE!" You must have movie character Rocky Balboa mixed up with PacMan. There is nothing "wide-swinging" about Manny "Will KICK MONEY MAY'S A$$ 'IF they ever lace em up!'" Pacquiao. Money May doesn't care about you -- rightfully so. He is in the hurt bitnezz of prizefighting not pridefighting. If he can be mendacious to get the most amount of money, more power to him. But he will never give up his edge -- and even more power to him. He's a smart cookie, and doesn't care what anybody thinks about him, as Superelitefighter F-Lo said. Money May already knows that he cannot beat Manny at a catchweight and possibly not at any weight. The blueprint to beating him is from his amateur days. He lost five bouts -- really four, he got robbed big time in the 1996 Olympic Games. Three of those loses were to superquick southpaws. Money May is paranoid about those southpaw ghosts of the past. If Zab Judah had mental toughness, instead of meanstreets' gangsta behavior, he'd have upset Money May. Money May or his dad Pops Joy May cannot fight southpaws, especially hard hitter with blinding speed. I cannot think of the guy's name right now, but Manny Steward use to have this fast southpaw that use to tear Joy up. And Joy never could handle Sugar Ray Seales, the 1972 Olympic Game gold medalist at 139 and a professional fighter at welterweight, superweight and middle. Turkey jive has been put out that Money May loves to fight the smaller guy. Well now, he will be fighting a larger guy in his next bout. And the turkey jive will not stop. It is just a bunch of Money Mayhaters, and even more Pachaters. Chumps with latent problems of jingoism and ethnic superiority mythology don't fool me. You sucka will always hate PacMan for not fitting in some type stupid-a$$ stereotype about Asians' pugilistic ability and not suppose to top the so-called norm. The hate won't stop toward Afro-Kano Money May because he is superbad and mouthy. I've have notice how loud-mouth black Americans are not accepted like loud-mouth white ones. Nevermind that Irish GOAT Muhammad Ali told me this back in the day. Rush Limbauch to name one. The boxer called the American Kid to name another one. And there was mad love for New England Vinny Paz, a super loud-mouth smack talker -- being white made him all right and he never shutup. (He had a BIG MOUTH, A BIG MOUTH!) All the fipping nut-job news reporters on FOX cable news station. And all those delusional ones at the Congessional Town Hall Meetings. And no one can match Congressman Joe Wilson's outburst against Prez O. Ex-U.S. Prez Jimmy "Peanut farmer" Carter call it straight-up what it was. And hate won't stop toward Pera Pac because he is superbad and pleasantly quite spoken to those out-of-group people who don't know $hit about us -- Pinoys and Asians. If you were in our barkada -- roughly translated to clique, group, posse, or gang -- Manny would not quit spitting smack talk to you, teasing you and then kicking your sorry a$$ for getting mad about it. It is all in FUN! Holla!
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 03:09:01 PM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:
Another thing I don't give a F**CK what YOU MisterLee Fe'Roz or the TSS critics think about Floyed thats not going to change my mind about him. Now I say that with no disrespect cause I enjoy reading yall post and yall always in my top 10 but I got my own thoughts.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 03:18:43 PM
RG -- heto sa Pilipinas:
***superwelterweight....
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 03:19:00 PM
Fe'Roz :
Hot Damn. It's confirmed. Most of you missed the Juanma Fight! Must have. Otherwise, how else can you explain being all worked up Mid-Week about Floyd. Me, I was just playin' with the newbie.....letting him know that when you post here you better bring your "A' game. Not your 'A' name. But Ali# and 1Pacfan, you men need to see a real fight.... and let this one go. There are real fights breaking all over that need your attention. Focus on Jermaine. AA. Dirrell. Froch. And watch that damn Juanma fight. Then let's talk. pc
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 03:43:58 PM
Matthew:
I'm actually tired of talking about Mayweather. Until he signs to fight somebody, there's really not much more to say about him. Let's hope that a Mosley-Berto fight actually happens in January.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 04:56:19 PM
ali @ FeRoz:
But Talking about Mayweather is so much better.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 06:54:05 PM
#1 PacFan 15-2-1:
I love mixing it up with Ali he brings out my A game. Great post Radam! Fe'Roz, that fight with JuanMa was FOY candidate for sure. Did you hear that Linares got upseted by an unknown? MisterLee is making a late rally to get to the top spot p4p. I'm with Matthew, Mayweather is not my topic until he announces his next fight if he does lol.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 06:58:49 PM
kountedout:
i didn't say any names of any particular person acting like a kid but the guy who responded the shoe evidently fits you. im not making any excuses about manny its the truth that you don't want to hear. if floyd fought oscar and they say that floyd beat a washed up fighter then what did manny do? he beat a washed up drained fighter. everyone and there momma had beaten oscar larios who manny beat. there is no excuses made for morales and barrera being past there prime evidently you don't watch boxing enough you just go for who you like. that's fine if you do that. that's your problem not mines. no blueprint to beating floyd, i think corley, zab were southpaws. and as far as skills go they by far have better skills then manny. cotto lost to pinto in the amateurs and ko'd him in the pros. so if you think you will go to the amateurs to find the blueprint on floyd then you are highly mistaken. i guess you forgot the amateurs are 3 and 4 round fights. the blueprint on manny is he can't take a punch head or body. that's why arum has been picked very carefully who he puts manny in the ring with. he's only taking cotto because they think that cotto is not the same fighter anymore. just get over it that floyd is as good as he is. you cant deny skills and defense wins championships
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:19:56 PM
RG - PacManite na mababang-loob:
The bout with Money May will be "3 and 4 rounds fights.Manny will kayo his arse in that length of time. Cotto -- an inexperience amateur lost to Pinto in the amateurs. You must not know much about boxing because a seasoned amateur is virually a pro and can already beat most of the 10 ten in his weight class. Most of the seasoned amateur win a title belt in two to three years -- 10 to 20 bouts. Listen closely! You are kind of slow of wits and critical thinking, and straight-up knowing from being a part of the process. Money May has problems fighting southpaws, starting when his was professional amateur boxer. Maybe I should say that his professional amateurism mold his professionalism, as it does all pugilists who go that way. The blueprint to beat his bottom is a lot of PacMan's whoopa whop punches upsid his torso and noggin. Holla!
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:44:12 PM
dr3r42:
Uhh, I hate to inform you but Rhode Island is part of New England. FYI: New England isn't a state, it's the Northeast region of the country made up of six states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and RHODE ISLAND !
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 07:54:56 PM
obsrever says:
I am realy enjoying this lol.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 08:38:13 PM
Bigg:
Marquez, Barrea, Morales record 4-1-1 Pac. And this is p4p that madness. Arum sell out Cotto again. PBF can fight Berto, Sugar, Cotto, PW, Clottey, Quintana. He does not need Pac 144. The money is in his corner.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 09:19:35 PM
ali @ kountedout:
Very good points!
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 09:45:20 PM
kountedout:
thanks ali.if you really think that manny would ko floyd in 3 or 4 rounds then you really don't know boxing. regardless he lost to pinto in the amateurs. that's why it's called the amateurs. when they turned pro pinto had nothing to offer him. if you watch boxing and study it instead of acting like you know everything then you might learn something here. I'm not here to get into insult anyones intelligence but saying such nonsense shows me your intelligence is questionable. I give my opinions whether you like them or not but im not here to see who got the biggest balls. fighters has had problems with southpaws since boxing began so get off that. every heavyweight has problems with southpaws because they are not accustomed to fighting them or sparring them because its not that many.u can say im slow of wits maybe to you i do but im sure others it makes sense. bet your house against floyd if he fights manny and see don't you become homeless. you got 1 sucka here who will take you up on that 3 to 4 rounds and i will give you odds he can't ko floyd.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 10:47:32 PM
RG - maraming tao ay malalaman wala tungkol bosking:
Kountedout, yea! That is why a main event is not the prelims. You love to play semantics. Fighters get knocked out in three or four rounds all the time. You brought up "pinto in the amateurs," I didn't. But since you want to go there, an amateur or professional Oscar De la Hoya couldn't beat an amateur or professional Sugar Shane Mosley. An amateur or professional Roy Jones Jr couldn't dominate an Antonio Tarver. And amateur or professional Sugar Shane Mosley couldn't beat the late, great Vernon Forest. Amateur boxing is the college and semi-pro for the absolute professional legal mayhem. Just as college football is for the screening of professionals. Great amateurs waste no time in winning a world title belt in the pros. De la Hoya and Mayweather did it in less than two years. If you don't have a strong amateur background, it takes more time. It took PacMan Pacquiao close to three years to win his first title at 19 years old. That is my last pitch on this subject because you just like to fuss and fight to no end with your unfounded myths. Though I am a southpaw, everyone doesn't have a "problems with southpaws." Mark Breland never lost to a southpaw as a professional or amateur. Evander Holyfield and Sugar Ray Leonard didn't lost to a southpaw in the amateur, and only lost to one in the pros when Leonard was old -- 40 years old -- and Holyfield was injured. Tommy Hearns murdered every southpaw who he encountered, except for Mavelous Marvin Hagler. The amateur is loaded with southpaws, so it is not like it is freakish. Any way, I'm finish talking you because you will change up just for the sake of debating. Holla!
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 11:28:04 PM
brownsugar@kountedout@ali:
I agree whole heartedly,.. Floyd is already a guaranteed HOF'mer,.. you don't win 5 WBC titles in different weight classes,.. because every title holder was bum,. and he didn't win no interim or vacant titles,.. Hernandez was picked by Merchant to be too much for Floyd,..he was on a 14 fight streak and considered to be nigh invincible,... but Floyd made him quit on his stool in 8,.. Castillo a true legend was 9 pounds heavier than Floyd,.. and Corrales was an undefeated beast who was supposed to tame Floyd,... Hatton was terrrorizing the boxing world,.. had never been broken,.. he went on a full blown Media Blitz campaign to force a fight with Mayweather,... and paid the price,.. hasn't been the same since,... Oscar was a diesel 160 lbs against Floyd FIVE YEARS AGO,.. so the comparison with the Oscar who fought Pac five years later,.. is like comparing the Holyfield who beat Tyson to the Holyfield who lost to James Toney,.. the only 2 fighters who were smaller was Marquez and Hatton,..and they chased Floyd,.. why would he turn down such a lucrative payday,??? ,.. Ndou had 20 KO's in 21 wins and Floyd went toe to toe to take him out,.. I've got the whole collection of his 39 fights and I've seen every one,.. seen him call out Casamayor when he was in his prime,.. Prince Nasim,... Kostya Zu,... and Mosely,. none of those guys wanted him,.. its on record,.. Floyds destiny is in his hands to enhance or dilute,.. and even now no matter what he does,.. his legacy will stand,... and will certainly survive the test of time,.. personally I'm eager to see who he decides to fight next,.. I hope it's Cotto,.. Mosely,.. or Pac in that order,.. because I see Cotto as a bigger challenge than the older slower footed Mosely,.. and Floyd has too many advantages over Pac...so what,.. you don't like him as a person,.. but in the ring Floyd Rocks...
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 11:32:44 PM
Eastar:
Pacquiao can retire right now and no one will miss him. I bet you wouldn't see one article about him after he leaves the sport. Unlike Floyd, who became an even BIGGER story during his retirement. "Money" Mayweather is still the #1 name in the sport of boxing. Like it or not.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 11:41:31 PM
Fe'Roz :
Now that the mutual admiration club has met, can we move on.
Tuesday Oct 13, 2009 11:50:15 PM
kountedout:
brownsugar for some reason its more then them not liking him as a person it must go beyond that. calling the man scary and all of that. you stated that he called out fighters and the fighters he called out were all in there prime. you are right i hope he fights manny first so he get rid of him immediately mosley next then cotto. estar you are correct, if manny retires right now no one will miss him.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:41:42 AM
kountedout:
i want to see the BLUEPRINT on how to beat floyd. they talk loud and say nothing
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:44:43 AM
ali @ Brownsugar:
Im glad you brought up a very good point and its one I've been trying make. Mayweather has called out alot fighters they say he ducked. I hope now people will go back and take a look at those dvds you have so they can stop all this Mayweather is scared $hit. Also you named some fighters that were alot bigger then Mayweather but when he fought them did he say he needed a catch HELL NO but its one fighter out there who can't get in the ring with a beast without one.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 08:04:49 AM
brownsugar:
kountedout and ali,.. it's incredible,... watching the dvds,.. Floyd virtually calls out every star in the business,.. (when he was making a name for himself at 130 and 135,...and technically he's just now grown into a full welter...
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 09:11:20 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
@kountedout, you're an amateur when it comes to facts. If there any contraversials in resumes it may be very well be your boy Floyd. He's cherry picked his way up the ranks and no doubt about that. The world haven't given credit to Floyd that you think he deserves. Why is that? There's still a big whole in his career and time is running out. Manny was fighting dangerous fighters from Flyweight to Welterweight. Manny will go down as one of the greatest! Top 5 for sure and you know it. @Ali, you haven't answered my question, why did Scareweather retire after defeating Hatton? #1 Contenders were lined up for him, Cotto, Mosley, Marg, Clottey, and Williams.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 09:14:44 AM
BoxingFan@kountedout:
How can there be a blueprint for Floyd if he keeps fighting guys smaller than him. Floyd is a beast when it comes to talent but when you don't test yourself it's useless. He's definitely lost my respects as boxing fan.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 09:18:29 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
Geez! Louder Boxfan! Obviously these Mayweather dingleberry huggers aint hearing it loud enough.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 09:22:04 AM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:
You know he's had bad hands for a long time and his body just need some rest I think all fighters should take a few years off if they had been fight since they were kids. Now all those guys you named are still fighting and he will get in the ring with some of them I see you didn't put Pac on the list im starting to think your really scared of your boy fighing him. Margacheato child please Williams is at 160 so he may not be able to fight him Mosley I would love to see them fight and it might happen very soon Clottey child please Cotto if he beats Pac he is somebody who might be next on Floyed hit list.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 10:37:52 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
@Ali, you aint reading it right, I said after he defeated Hatton everybody was waiting for him to fight Cotto, Mosley, Marg, and Williams. All those guys were Welterweights at the time except for Williams who moved up now. I'm not putting Manny on that list because I know it's not going to happen. It's going to take a miracle for that fight to happen. Why would I be scared for Manny to face Scareweather when it's not me who is fight in the ring. If that's the kind of excuse you got for Floyd retiring then you're just plain desperate for one. Nobody takes a 2 year layoff to recover from a hand injury. A rib injury is much worse, why not take another layoff to recover? If you ask me it's because he was waiting for them big three to fight each and beat each other's brains out. Then comes Floyd playing the vulture and getting the leftovers. @kountedout, I don't give Manny any credit for beating ODLH but I do give credit for him destroying Hatton who he fought at his comfortable weight.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 11:13:40 AM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:
I am reading it right I said he has bad hands and his body needs some rest. If you watch ther 24/7 he had when he fought Hatton you would see that the doctor was telling him all the problems his body was having due to boxing. Mayweather knows his own body and felt like it needed a rest so he took a few years off it had nothing to do with those guys you names. If Pac beats Cotto he & Floyed will fight cause money talks and bull$hit walk at the end of the day.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 05:04:10 PM
kountedout:
my amateur facts just went over your head because you dont want to know the truth. manny has made a living off of fighting washed up old fighters. the hate is in the air. its so bad that you try and say floyd is bigger then everyone he fights. thats a lack of looking at boxing. i don't think floyd is or would duck any fighter. as brownsugar has said go look at the tapes of floyd calling these guys out. why dont you admit it that he called them out. i give manny credit for knocking out hatton. i never took that away from him. i do know floyd wants to fight manny an when he does he going to give him a whooping that you havent seen. he will get cotto and mosley as well. cotto would be too easy to hit and mosley is really to old for floyd in my opinion. mosley is like hopkins, the last thing they want to get in the ring with is speed. you will see mosley look very old.
Wednesday Oct 14, 2009 07:30:54 PM
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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