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Floyd Is The New Oscar Says HBO's Greenburg

By David A. Avila

Four years ago a dozen or so boxing writers were invited to a luncheon with HBO’s Ross Greenburg and other television executives in an Algonquin-type roundtable to thrash out the future of boxing.

 

One fighter’s name popped up more than a few times though most of the writers weren’t quite in agreement with his future.

 

That name was Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

In those days his nickname was “Pretty Boy,” not “Money,” and a gambling person could have grabbed a heavy bag of loot betting that the Las Vegas prizefighter would emerge as the guy who would grab the baton from Oscar “The Golden Boy” De La Hoya.

 

One man did bet on Mayweather and that was Ross Greenburg the president of HBO Sports Entertainment.

 

“Floyd’s on another level now,” said Greenburg, who seems like Nostradamus now. “You cannot discount the star power of Mayweather.”

 

Three weeks ago Mayweather proved Greenburg right. Not by winning the fight, but by convincing more than 1 million people to buy the pay-per-view of his fight against Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez in a welterweight contest.

 

It was really no contest, but for the lop-sided match up to attract that many viewers on the same night that Ultimate Fighting Championship also had a per-per-view attraction only made the night more remarkable for boxing’s health and future prosperity.

 

Boxing virtually knocked out mixed martial arts. But like the boxing match it was a mismatch as UFC countered Mayweather-Marquez with Rich Franklin versus Vitor Belfort. It was not UFC’s best.

 

“We never really compare ourselves to the UFC. There are still distinctive fan bases. We have boxing fans they have MMA fans. There is crossover but it’s minimal. I think people were attracted by Mayweather-Marquez because of the status of the event,” Greenburg explained. “We don’t think we were up against the UFC. We were up against baseball, the NBA and NASCAR. When 1 million people are buying Mayweather-Marquez we’re grabbing the average people. Maybe 6 million people were watching.”

 

Promoters Bob Arum and Dana White both went on record saying that Mayweather’s return to boxing against the much smaller Marquez would be a flop.

 

Oh what a flop.

 

But prior to the fight Mayweather’s big numbers were with De La Hoya and Hatton. Most attributed the 2.5 million in 2007 to De La Hoya and in December 2007 to Hatton. On paper it looked like Mayweather’s drawing ability was about 400,000 strong.

 

At first it seemed Golden Boy Promotions, MGM-Mirage properties and anyone associated with the fight first proposed in May 2009 was running for cover. At the end of June with a few weeks left before the scheduled match up, tickets were still available and not going fast at all. It was reminiscent of the Ricky Hatton-Paul Malignaggi fight that did poorly at the gate.

 

An injury to Mayweather’s ribs literally giving the promotion breathing room. The added time allowed everyone space to configure how to attack the lack of interest. They came up with some brilliant ideas.

 

Richard Schaefer, CEO for Golden Boy, said they looked at how they could integrate other avenues to grab interest of the fans that do not normally watch boxing. Out went calls to various communication mediums including a telephone outfit and movie theaters.

 

“We were able to achieve 80 percent capacity,” said Schaefer of the more than 1,400 theaters showing the fight nationwide. “It was a tremendous success.”

 

HBO also contributed heavily with the now expected 24/7 series that began with De La Hoya’s fight against Mayweather in 2007.

 

“We obviously kicked in with another 24/7 and Juan Manuel Marquez brought in his fan base and created some interesting dynamics by drinking his own urine. All that added up and we had another gangbuster promotion,” said Greenburg.

 

Mayweather is now the big gun in boxing - though many including myself, still tab Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao as the best fighter pound for pound - not simply due to his prowess inside the ropes, but his prowess outside. Money makes money.

 

A main reason Mayweather has attained superstar status is not his safety-first boxing style, but his personality.

 

“You cannot discount the star power of Floyd Mayweather. I think a couple of years ago when he was retiring and was on Dancing with the Stars, WWE and the 24/7 series, I think he had become an established sports star,” said Greenburg. “He even appears in those computer commercials. People recognize him now.”

 

With Mayweather’s return to boxing the welterweight division has now hit super nova status.

 

“I think we definitely have a little lightning in the bottle in the welterweight division with Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley, (Antonio) Margarito, Floyd all in the same weight class. Your imagination can run amok,” Greenburg said a little excitedly. “That’s very similar to the 80s with Leonard, Hagler, Hearns and Duran. That can really set the sport off.”

 

Sports fans and casual sports fans are going to continue to hear that boxing is dying and that MMA has overtaken the sport.

 

Not quite. Not even close. The numbers don’t lie if looked at properly.

 

The HBO telecast of WBC titleholder Vitali Klitschko defending against California’s Mexican-American heavyweight Chris Arreola produced the best viewing audience for a HBO boxing telecast in 2009, even out-performing Mosley’s win over Margarito.

 

Greenburg says Arreola’s engaging personality and Klitschko’s stature proved a magical formula. The entire year has been magical for not just television but for the sport of professional boxing.

 

“We’re triggering something and elevating them to another level of familiarity,” Greenburg said. “That’s why boxing is going through this resurgence.”

 

Next in line

 

Picking the next heir apparent to lead boxing to the golden arches is not easy. Only Greenburg picked Mayweather years ago and Arum was able to pick De La Hoya a decade ago.

 

The number of young fighters that can attract the mega dollars is like picking a number on roulette.

 

Golden Boy’s Schaefer likes Jorge Linares while Greenburg likes Robert  “The Ghost” Guerrero among others. According to one of the Golden Boy matchmakers a Linares/Guerrero showdown could occur next year.

 

“I’d love to fight Linares,” said Guerrero who just captured the IBF junior lightweight title.

 

Other fighters Greenburg likes: Alfredo Angulo, Chad Dawson, Paul Williams, Juan Manuel Lopez, James Kirkland and Victor Ortiz. One thing most have in common is one loss.

 

“There are a host of quality young fighters some of whom have lost. But I’m telling you Marvelous Marvin Hagler lost some early fights, and Leonard lost to Duran and you know what he did in his career” said Greenburg. “You never can tell. Some fighters lose and learn. I think one of these fighters is going to capture the public’s imagination.”

 

 

Leigh Simons

 

Producer Leigh Simons shot the preview show for Mayweather/Marquez and that was his 20th boxing promo documentary.

 

“It seems like yesterday I was shooting my first one,” said Simons, who lives in Florida.

 

That first boxing promo video was Marco Antonio Barrera’s title fight against South Africa’s Mzonke Fana in April 2005. It was shot in a snowy Big Bear Mountain and showed a flashy newcomer Dominic Salcido sparring the great Barrera as he prepared to defend his WBC junior lightweight title.

 

Simons showed that day a penchant for innovative tactics as he interviewed the fighters sparring while asking a boxing writer his take on the session and what each fighter was attempting to do.

 

The video promo was a success and Simon has since shot footage for boxing promos for various fights in the past four years including Bernard Hopkins, Ricardo Mayorga, Ricky Hatton, Joel Casamayor, Michael Katsidis, Manny Pacquiao and others.

 

Simons, a black belt in karate, knows the fight business and is often seen at big shows in Las Vegas and Los Angeles gathering intelligence and secret insight.

 

All in a day’s work for Simons.

 

Boxing fans are beginning to recognize the producer and expect his product. I know I am.

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Contact David A. Avila @ TheSweetScience.com


Arturo:  Oscar was a star since he turned pro.Mayweather is now at the top od his game but I think Manny can sell more PPV fights.I knoe its a business but Pacquiao gives the excitement that Tyson used to guve us in his prime
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:09:31 AM
Anony:  SO EVERYBODY HAS A PRICE... WHAT A SHAME.... one year ago Mayweather trashed HBO of being racist and calling them what not and now we see HBO praising him because of the money he gross. And yeah, we can argue boxing is a business but you have to have some honor. A real man don't kiss the a$$ of his enemy. Mr. Greenburg and HBO owners don't have HONOR. Likewise, Floyd always try to look "smart" and like a "rich business man" and like a "wise gangsta" but look at him in that computer commercial. He looks like a DUMB holding that computer and looking at the camera stupidly. So after all that talk and "respect me" attitude, he agrees to play "Forrest Gump" character on TV selling his soul to the media. What a shame... the things people do for money. THERE IS NO HONOR THESE DAYS. HBO $uck$, Floyd $uck$.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:12:53 AM
donputo69 with another hangover:  Yep....they are both chickens....lol....the only difference is that DLH fought the best out there....you can not say the same for scareweather...DLH never hand pick his opponents....scareweather did....BTW....people seems to forget that DLH made scareweather rich & famous....dont get it twisted....holla back!!!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:40:51 AM
dp69:  let me rephrase that....they both had the same nickname "CHICKEN"....until DLH man'd up and fought the best....and we still waiting for scareweather to girl up and fight the best out there now....holla back!!!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:45:15 AM
GOAT @ dp69:  Who is the best out there? Who do you want PBF to fight?
Friday Oct 9, 2009 05:35:16 AM
GOAT:  A lot of PBF haters say he is scarred to fight the best out there but never name names. He will fight the winner out of Pac/Cotto, after he is finished check hooking that winner he will probably fight the winner out of Shane/Berto. After that whoever is the next biggest name in boxing will get some. The only fighters who criticize PBF choice of oponents is fighters who have something to gain from it. Joshua Clottey did an interview a few days ago and he said PBF was the best out there, he doesn't strike me as the type of person to say something he doesn't mean. BE PATIENT people, PBF will trash your favorite fighter soon.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 05:39:29 AM
Anony @ GOAT:  YOU WILL SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES HOW CHICKEN FLOYD IS,,, if Cotto wins to Pacquiao. He won't fight Cotto or Mosley, neither Margacheato or Williams. Your hero will show no cojones and will make excuses. Why do you think he decided to fight Marquez instead of Cotto for example? Or do you think Marquez makes more PPV sales than Cotto? He is a chicken boxer. You'll find out january 2010.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 06:48:00 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  i've said it before i will say it again,PBF haters say the most ridiculous thing.what's w/ the honor stuff i'm reading here?this is boxing which is the dirtiest business in the sporting world.c'mon dude.and you think arum,don king and otherboxing execs to be honoroble men.hahahahaha.c'mon!genaro henandez,carlos hernandez,jesus chavez,gatti,castillo,corrales,baldomir,hatton,de la hoya @154 and my man pbf coming in at 149 or was it 147?these were greta names aren't they?so would you like money to fight dawson?hahahahaha
Friday Oct 9, 2009 06:54:35 AM
GOAT @ Annoy:  World class fighters are not scarred to fight other fighters, they typically try to fight the person who offers them the most money. I actually hope Cotto beats Pacman because if Pac wins and then looses to PBF people like you would say Pac was too small. So I hope Cotto wins. PBF would EASILY destroy Cotto, the fight would not be a contest because Cotto has not been the same since getting hit in the head with bricks. Pac and PBF would be a huge event and that would be the fight that puts boxing in the mainstream again. It would be like Ali/Frazier 1 except that the right person would win (PBF). If and when PBF beats Pac/Cotto winner and the Shane/Berto winner, I hope you man up and give him his credit. If he doesn't fight Pac/Cotto winner and Shane/Berto winner, I will man up and call him out.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:13:41 AM
Matthew:  Give Mayweather and Golden Boy credit. This show did far better numbers than I thought it would. I will say that I think they benefitted from the postponement due to Floyd's, ahem, injury and a relatively weak UFC card going on at the same time. I'm not ready to name him the next PPV cash cow just yet, however. He did big numbers in the De La Hoya and Hatton fights, but he was the B side in both of those events. De La Hoya sold big each and every time out. If Mayweather does another event with around 1 million buys, I will give him a ton of credit and call Greenburg Nostradamus.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:17:12 AM
apimpnamedslickback:  @Goat you had until you said "It would be like Ali/Frazier 1 except that the right person would win ," why was Frazier not the right person to win. He humbled the loud mouth that needed humbling, especially since he was throwing that uncle tom stuff around. But back to the topic, if Floyd beats either Pac, Mosely, or Cotto there will be excuses from haters. For Mosely it will be he was old, for Cotto he wasn't the same from the Margarito fight, for Pac it was because he was small. PBF can't win regardless who he fights.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 10:22:18 AM
G @ apimp:  What I meant by the right person is that Ali is considered by many to be one of the GOAT and Frazier is not. What Ali said about Frazier is waaaayyyyyyy worse than anything PBF said about any fighter. But from a boxing aspect, Ali was that dude.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:36:22 AM
GOAT @ apimp:  What I meant by the right person is that Ali is considered by many to be one of the GOAT and Frazier is not. What Ali said about Frazier is waaaayyyyyyy worse than anything PBF said about any fighter. But from a boxing aspect, Ali was that dude.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:36:47 AM
DaNumberMan:  What Mayweather is doing it good for his pockets, not for boxing. Yes he got 1,000,000.00 fans to buy the PPV but they bought it because they hate him and want to see him get his ass kicked (did you see how security had to cover him when he walked out the arena) not because they're getting a good fight. So the million people who tuned in got conned by floyds nonsense. They think there's some slim chance that he might get beat even though marquez didn't stand a chance. Instead they get a boring ass one sided fight (sorry diehards mainstream fans like back and forth serious action). They probably leave the arena thinking damn that shit was wack. This is why I don't like boxing. But you know what they'll tune in for the next fight in hopes that Mayweather will get his ass kicked because they will hype Ivan calderon to be the baddest mofo ever. He'll eat his own shit during 24/7. The marketing on this will be bananas but the fight will suck. These people will probably avoid all other PPVs. figuring all boxing is like this and it's a waste of money. Maybe I'm wrong but thats just what I think.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:55:34 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  I agree with Anony and Dp69!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 12:11:08 PM
apimpnamedslickback @goat:  I understand, since I'm from Philly that struck a cord with me and the way Ali behaved leading up to and after the fight was disgusting. PBF will beat any of the three ppl mentioned for his next fight and no respect will be given for whatever reason.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 12:31:05 PM
GOAT @ apimp:  Damm hommey, South Philly is my place of birth! I know you know the history of the Philly Gym wars!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 12:53:34 PM
GOAT @ Danumberman:  I can't believe you said that ole funky sh*t about PBF doing good for his pockets not for boxing. Does "Boxing" care when a fighter is broke, braindead, and homeless (Rocky Lockridge). "Boxing" is the only sport that permenantly damages it's athletes to the point where they have a difficult time living and we criticize a fighter for trying to secure his financial future before he talks slow. There are very, very, very few success stories in boxing, SRL, ODH, Calzaghe, that's about all I can think of that can still talk right and have some money left. Shane is starting to mumble his words, RJJ is starting to take way to many punches, B-Hop is risking serious injury, etc. I say to any fighter, go and get your money hommey because when you retire, you motor skills will be non existent.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 01:06:07 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  If Floyd really came back to answer his critics then he would've accepted Mosley's challenge. I'm really sure he is after the Cotto/Pacquiao winner for two reasons. One: It would make the most sense business wise. Two: The easier fight than Mosley; he's alway known that he can beat Pac and now that Cotto has been in so many wars he is not the same fighter. So I guess Floyd is in a lose lose situation. He shouldn't have retire when Cotto was fresh and hungry, Margarito before he got caught with bricks and Mosley when he was 2 years younger.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 01:06:43 PM
RG -di puwede Money May gustong mgaaway Kay Manny:  Money May is business smart. He will never let PacMan kick his butt the way Leon Spinks did Irish GOAT Ali. So Money May is not going PacMan's way. Catchweight, Money doesn't play. He doesn't want to pay. If he is dumb to join the birdbrain crowd of weight droppers, come ON, DOWN! PacMan will knock him out. And there is no doubt. Just ask Money May! It is no hush-hush smack talk any more. Money May is running the opposite way -- up in weight -- not down. Don't be surprised if he battles Big Money Oscar in a rematch. YUP! Big Money May versus Big Money Oscar. Holla!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 01:07:33 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @Radam, this isn't about weight anymore. Any smart puglist knows May could've made 144 easily. He wouldn't have been weight drained. But instead he wanted to make sure he had the advantage the whole way. He said he could've lost the extra pounds that morning but he knew JMM camp was desperate. Catchweight or not I still think Pac has what it takes to win the fight. At 140-144 Pacquiao knocks May out silly and at 145-147 Pacquiao wins barely in a hard fought affair.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 01:57:25 PM
apimpnamedslickback @goat: :  Southwest Philly! But yeah I heard of the gym wars, that's what did Meldrick Taylor in unfornuately, dude can't even speak coherent english no more. BHop I guess is smart enough not to leave it all in the gym like Taylor did, no point in going hard when it's only practice. If RJJ keeps fighting tomato cans he's not risking his health at all and BHop is just going to dry hump him to death when they fight so there will be minimal risk of another brutal ko. I still want PBF to fight old man Mosely though, I've wanted that fight for years
Friday Oct 9, 2009 01:57:53 PM
apimpnamedslickback@#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7": :  First Pac isn't getting by Cotto, but if for some strange reason he does, he's going to be countered silly for 9 plus rounds by PBF if they fought, before Freddie calls it a night in the 10th.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 02:07:15 PM
dp69 @#1PacFan:  you hit it right on the button....if scareweather is coming back to shut his critics, so why he doesnt fight mosley?....the girl aint stupid....he's saying that he's waiting for the cotto/pacquiao winner....and i bet my life when its all said and done, he wont fight neither of them....maybe cotto....but why now?....after all those wars cotto has being in?....why he didnt fight cotto, mosley, margacheato, or williams 3 yrs ago when they were all fresh?....i rest my case....holla back!!!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 02:56:06 PM
Scott M:  I'm not buying in to this "Next Oscar" crap. Floyd can only do big numbers if he's in the ring with another big name fighter. "Next Holyfield" is more like it. (if only Floyd fought more like Holy- Evander was nowhere near as gifted as Floyd, but he fought with the spirit of a true warrior, taking two shots to land one, when he had to.) Evander could only do big PPV numbers against big name opponents, like Tyson. Floyd is definitely good at finding the right opponent to draw a large PPV audience, but he'll never be the next Oscar, who could draw enormous crowds no matter who he fought. Imagine the PPV and live gate numbers if Floyd fought a no-hoper like Patrick Charpentier. Oscar drew a crowd of 50,000. There's no way Floyd could ever hope to match the drawing power of Oscar, especially with his safety first, no risk, glorified sparring session- style of fighting. Don't get me wrong- Floyd's brilliant at what he does- and the best at what he does. But, he's no Oscar and no Tyson, in terms of drawing power, and never will be. He'll do huge numbers if and when he fights Pacquiao, provided Pac Man gets past Cotto, but Pacquiao will bring far more fans to the fight than Mayweather.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 03:17:23 PM
Yuvie:  1 million buys? That don't mean anything other than the fact that there's a million stupid people out there.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 03:18:33 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @pimpslapped, what makes you think Pac would get countered so easily? Marquez only got hit like five times the whole fight. First of all if May wants to get wins with the big dawgs like Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, or Marg he will need to throw a whole lot more cause those some tough ass SOG's. He faced a canvass eating glass jawed lightweight and he couldn't even put him away. Mosley would put May to sleep and May knows it that's why he don't want none.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 03:39:03 PM
Smiley C:  Mayweather is the new Oscar GB money maker. Wake and smell the coffee. Fact the music fo' sure!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 03:41:50 PM
jake joson:  except oscar FOUGHT ALL COMERS...HE FOUGHT THE BEST OF HIS ERA at almost every weight class....MAYWEATHER HAS NOT FOUGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER SINCE 135
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:25:07 PM
BOIEMACHO:  What will happen if Pacman-Cotto will have more than a million PPV buys, who will be the new Oscar?
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:37:24 PM
BOIEMACHO:  What will happen if Pacman-Cotto will have more than a million PPV buys, who will be the new Oscar?
Friday Oct 9, 2009 04:38:25 PM
ali @ Yuvie:  Give the man credit he's the top money point blank
Friday Oct 9, 2009 05:35:48 PM
ali @ Goat:  You right as normal the hater always say he needs to fight a true welterweight but at the same time say they want him to fight Pac make up yall minds. He's going to fight Cotto Pac or Mosley next with out a doubt and he's still going to have you people say he's scared he's damn if he do and damn if he don't.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 05:45:00 PM
ali @ #1 Pacfan:  He should fight Mosley boy you scared as hell why you don't want him to fight your boy next cause you seen what he did to Marquez. Stop being so scary if Pac wins his people will find a way to make it seem like Mayeather ask for to much money but if Mayweather is doing better number then Pac he should get more that's the way boxing works. Yall can say Pac ic more exciting but the numbers is what counts there was fighter more exciting then ODH but did they make more money then him when they fought F**ck no.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 05:54:09 PM
apimpnamedslickback@#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7"::  Marquez only got hit like five times what fight were you watching PBF landed damn near 70 percent of his punches. The reason I believe he'll counter Pac so easy is because Pac throws punches at times without thinking punches are coming back at him, that's why Marquez hit him so frequently, Pac looks fast and unbeatable facing non-counterpunchers, Marquez brought him down to earth and PBF will finish him. But I rather see PBF vs Mosely anyway.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:08:23 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @Ali, I would love to see Pac show yall that he could be the first to defeat your boy. But we all pretty much know that fight aint going to happen. He is not willing to go 50/50 with Pac. After doing 1 mil that ego just got a lil bigger. He hasn't even mention who he wants or if he is waiting for the pac/Cotto. All he is worried about is that reality show he is working on. Didn't I say he was staying away? Looks like I might be right.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:18:00 PM
Lanski:  SO NOW WHAT? AFTER THE FIGHT?DID HE IMPRESS THOSE DUMB PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE TICKETS FOR THE FIGHT?THEY WERE FOOLED!HE CAME HEAVIER TO A SMALL BLOATED FIGHTER,WHATS THE LOGIC IN THERE?WHERE IS THE DIGNITY?HOW COME?HE HAS PROVEN NOTHING BUT TO FOOL THOSE PEOPLE WHO BELEIVED IN HIM,HIS DAY WILL COME, FOR SURE!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:34:49 PM
donputo69 @Yuvie:  lmfaoooooooo....1 million stupid people...lmfaoooooooooo...holla back!!!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:45:08 PM
isidro:  It was their constant trash talking by the trio that generated the most interest for people that watched the forgone concluded match in a lot of boxing fans thoughts.Curiosity en mass of what the fuzz is all about.Normally to talk cheap ,gives any one the right to talk back cheaply too,but Pacquiao remained silently humble..that's very very interesting indeed,and the 50 bucks doesn't mean a thing in order to see a salesman fighting his customer.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 07:59:36 PM
ali @ donput 69 & yuvie:  What's wrong with having 1 million stupid people a bet yall was one of them... lol
Friday Oct 9, 2009 08:28:26 PM
Fe'roz :  There is no hate in wanting to see great fights. But great fights have to be made before the fighters entered the ring. And Floyd, no matter whether you love him or hate him, has, since 2003, neither challenged nor fought the best in their division/ at the time/ in their prime. That is not a value judgment. That is a fact. It is the fact that both indicts... and incites. Not one of his major victories in the past 5+ years has been against the number one fighter in their division at that time.... in their prime. So yes, that is the indictment. Greatness is as much about what one does... as what one does not. It is about choices. Choices that are made... and choices that are not. Floyd's unblemished record is, to the majority of fight fans, marred by the fights he has not fought. It is those choices that incite. As for PPV, Oscar De La Hoya and Richard Schaefer know, as all businessmen do, that numbers are like stock charts. They move up... and they move down. Today you're number one, tomorrow your number two. One day you're the richest, the next day it's someone else. They also know that no matter how much you have you cannot take it with you. All that you leave his mark you have made on those you've left behind. In other words, your history. Floyd may be... or I should say is... number one today. I suspect he will be number two by the middle of November. No matter. Until he challenges and fights.... notice that I did not say beats.... the greatest welterweights alive, his legacy will be argued and, IMO, remain undefendable.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 08:56:41 PM
brownsugar:  ali,... I know,.... I was there,..and loving it,.. Floyd surprised me in 2 ways,.. by looking so sharp after 2 years,.. and I mean Razor Sharp,.. if he fought against a bum,.. who cares,.. but to tune up on the Great Juan Manuel Marquez,.. ( prodigy of strange nutrients),. and not only school him,.. but get paid enough to get the IRS off his back in one night,... is a stroke of pure genius,... Don King is probably turing green with envy,.. Funny thing,... you could tell that Mayweather wasn't even all the way back in rare form yet,.. I can see Floyd crushing Cotto like he did NDou,.. and shredding the ultra Popular Pacman,.. as easily as he did Corrales,... when the money's on the table,.. the best of Mayweather comes out,.. don't get salty because Floyd can write his own ticket,.. and stay in shape at the same time,.. Floyd ain't no Oscar,.. but then again he doesn't have to be,.. he can be so much more,....
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:07:33 PM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz:  Fe'Roz,.. when Floyd has to dig deep,.. there's not a better fighter to watch,.. personally I think his team knows they have to put away the criticizm and put on a fight with some worthy opposition,.. the Marquez fight was an expensive tune up,.. but that's all it was,.. not much to criticize,.. Floyd still exhibited skills that boxing fans havent witness since his retirement,..Floyds' team is adept at picking up on fan feedback,.. so I doubt anyone will be dissappointed in his next fight,... after November 14,... Floyd will undoubtedly be answering some hard questions. and I think he'll deliver...
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:15:24 PM
amon hess.:  Pacquiao has a fan base mayweather can only dream off, the fact that a million ppv buys does not mean people boght it only to watch a full blown welter cheat on a bloated lightweight, survay says that 90 percent of those ppv came from mexican and mexican american household. So for those these hbo morron hypin up some senseless notion that pbf is now the ppv pimp, they will eat their when they see the pacquiao-cotto ppv and we all know that's the real deal in boxing these year, also for tha record the catch weight is 145 I'm predicting pacquiao will walk in the ring weighing 150 to 153 max, I'd like to se pbf pit againts full blown but slight shorter welterwieght who as fast if not faster than him and can knock out opponents with both hands, then we'll see who's the real ppv pimp...
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:21:42 PM
dp69 @ brownsugar:  so you think scareweather will crush cotto?...and beat pacquiao?....lmfaooooo...if thats the case, so why then he still hasnt fought them yet?....you see...this is what i mean every freaking time.....IF YOU THINK YOU CAN CRUSH SOMEBODY, SO THEN DO IT....MAN UP....why wait till cotto and pacquiao reach 40 yrs old?....lol...seriously....if i was cotto or pacquiao, i will tell scareweather to go f**k him self....there are better fights out there in the welter division....pacquiao vs mosley vs clottey, vs berto vs cotto 2....cotto vs mosley 2 vs clottey 2 vs margacheato vs berto vs cintron vs collazo.....there are fights out there for any of these top dawgs....scareweather should stay where he belongs the best....THE WWE....LMFAOOOOOOOOOO.....holla back!!!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:28:50 PM
Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar:  Brownsugar, Indulge me please. for a moment. In his first 8 years as a pro, Oscar De Hoya fought John John Molina, Genaro Hernandez, Jesse James Leija, Julio Cesar Chavez (96-1-1), Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, Wilfredo Rivera, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ike Quartey, Felix Trinidad, and Shane Mosley. In his first eight years!! In the next four, he fought Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley again, and Bernard Hopkins. That is the list of opponents that Oscar De la Hoya met in the ring and fought. Now, let's look at Floyd Mayweather Junior. In his first 8 years, he fought Genaro Hernandez, whose one loss had come 3 years earlier by ODLH, Angel Manfredy, Emanuel Augustus, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo twice, Phillippe N'Dou and the DeMarcus Corley. That is his first eight years! In his next four years, he fought Arturo Gotti (6 losses), Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar and Ricky Hatton. Think about that. Put these two lists side-by-side. There is no hate here. Just hard cold facts. I will say no more.pc
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:37:20 PM
dp69 @brownsugar:  the same can be said by cotto....in his 8 yrs he has fought....carlos maussa, randall bailey, DeMarcus corley, ricardo torres, malignaggi when he was undefeated, quintana, judah, mosley, margacheato, clottey.....cotto's resume looks way better than scareweather....even though scareweather fought corley and zab....but cotto ko'd zab...something scareweather couldnt do....think about that....put these two list side by side....there is no hate here....just hard cold facts....lol...holla back!!!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:51:06 PM
cadoski:  Mayweather-marquez is nothing to crow about. It was a con job.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:54:45 PM
Jack Cole of Los Banos Laguna:  Damn! The heat is on! I hope that this heat is well generated on the fight come November 14th! I am a Pac fan and very much aware that the two warriors has the same chances of winning. I don't know if this will be the same should Floyd take on any one of them cuz it will only be a one sided explosion, Floyd's opponent for sure! Floyd will only do what he's good at, dodging and defense! He's good at it and he definitely earn some points! Now this will be my point, If the scenario comes true and Floyd will bang gloves with any one, all the fuss and sh$t that's going on will be proven who's the better fighter! Lintek!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:57:10 PM
Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar:  I honestly wish I could be as confident as you that Floyd will hear the call and make the fights that matter. He is after all a welterweight. He was when he 'retired'. The welterweight division at that time was populated with a once-defeated Joshua Clottey, a once-defeated Kermit Cintron, an undefeated Miguel Cotto, an undefeated Paul Williams, a rising Antonio Margarito, and Shane Mosley. I will leave aside such stylistically complex fighters such as Luis Collazo. Many, but not all, of these fighters still remain close enough to their prime. Others sadly do not. Unfortunately, if history is our guide, Floyd is not someone you would predict would choose to fight any of those named above. At least not while they are in their primes. Just today, Floyd announced, contradictorily I might add, that he has no interest in fighting Shane Mosley. That Shane Mosley needs Floyd... and is only interested in money. In his very next statement he said, "All road leads through Floyd. I llke to see everybody make money. I stay in my lane. My lane is to fight on pay-per-view and to make millions of dollars. Some guys llane is to be on HBO championship boxing". Not the most promising comments. And so whether you're anxious to see Floyd perform, or concerned that or that he may but may not fight the best available or not at all...... or if you have lost faith and confidence or even interest... in the end it is the same. Absolutely maddening.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 10:25:40 PM
Clinton:  They are both the same money w h o r e s!They only know the color and smell of mooooooooooooooney!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 10:56:50 PM
Isaiah@Fe'Roz/dp69:  Man, I don't always give much thought to Oscar De La Hoya's or Miguel Cotto's resumes, but MAN! Comparing those to Mayweather's... I REST MY FREAKIN CASE!!! The jury is out on Floyd "No Money". The verdict... GUILTY! Guilty of ducking the best! The sentence. Regardless of talent, Floyd will always be known as 2nd best! Put that in your pipe and smoke it Floyd lovers! There is no NEW OSCAR! Noone brings in that kind of money, not even Floyd or Pacquiao! Oscar's biggest payday is over 45 million! Floyd's biggest payday is over 20 million and he needed Oscar to do that! The closest any boxer has ever come to Oscar finacially is Mike Tyson and he went trying to keep that up! What's truly absolutely maddening, knowing Floyd will NEVER fight Shane Mosley! It's a crime I tell you!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:19:05 PM
Isaiah:  TYPO. I meant to say Tyson went broke trying to keep that up.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:21:48 PM
Fe'Roz @ Isaiah:  Oscar fought Hall of Fame fighters, twice in some cases, his whole career. His resume is beyond reproach. Among, if not the best of his generation. The Don has pointed out Cotto's.....and thus the reason we respect Miguel. The facts... the names both on and not on Floyd's resume... are both indisputable and incomparable.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:51:24 PM
Lary Lachica, Jeddah:  AM JUST WONDERING WHY ALL THE PPV'S BUY ARE ALL CREDITED TO FLOYD? WHAT HAPPEN TO OSCAR DE LA HOYA, TO RICKY HATTON AND JMM...FOR SURE FANS OF OSCAR, RICKY AND JMM CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PPV NUMBERS. DO YOU THINK FLOYD CAN GET A MILLION PPV IF HE FIGHTS A FIGHTER WITHOUT FAN BASE? THE BEST WAY TO GAUGE THE PPV ARE TO LET THE BUYER INDICATE TO WHICH FIGHTER THEY WANT TO WATCH.... THEN WE WILL KNOW WHO GETS THE BIGGEST BUY... FAIR ENOUGH?
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 02:43:40 AM
Fe'Roz :  Lary Lachica, Jeddah's point is a good one. Another way to ask the same question is to ask why Oscar de La hoy was the Golden Boy. The answer lies in part because of him of course.,,,,,but may also had to do with who he fought.: The best of the best!!!
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 07:44:48 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Trying to compare Oscar's resume to Floyd's is like putting a man and a kid side by side. Floyd's first eight years is no compare to Oscar's. Floyd fought good opponents by not great like the one's Oscar faced. That's what made me become a fan of his because of his desire to go up against the best opponents available. He may not have won 50% of the crucial ones but he did win some and that's enough to put him in the HF. Floyd has yet to face a great big man.
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 08:31:55 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @brownsugar, how can you be at the fight when you were at a house party watching the fight?
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 08:33:10 AM
ladyspy:  I am not watching him again. Only reason why i bought ppv is out of curiousity. Now that i saw him fight, never again hehe. it was boring.
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 09:15:25 AM
truely Filipino boxing supporter:  Floyd Mayweather should fight first the elite fighters in welterweight division like Shane Mosley,Miguel Cotto,Andre Berto,Joshua Clottey and even the comebacking Antonio Margarito before he faces to Manny Pacquiao for the mega fight..if Mayweather surpass those fighters that i mentioned that's the only time to open the table for negotiations between Pacquiao and Mayweather fight..in my eyes,PBF is unproven & untested in 147 lbs. he should proved to the world that he is the best fighter not only in welterweight division but in boxing as a whole.
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 10:01:05 AM
RG -- vincit omnia veritas -- Money May ay bilis-bilis at matalino:  Everybody is still talkin' about Money May. Dude must know how to play. Thoughts, discussions, smack talk, hate talk and straight-up mythology just won't away. That cat can draw some interest no matter what you say. Come to see him lose, come to see him win, come to see him fight a smally -- Canvas Kissing JMM, come to see him fight a biggy -- Big Money Oscar, but you all pay. Things are what they are. To see him get down, people will dig into their money jar. They may even sell their car. Crazy rhetoric about Money May goes just too far. He got da peeps sounding like drunks in a bar. Holla!
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 11:03:30 AM
RG -- ang sobra Mapakumbabang PacManite:  **...mythology just won't go away...
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 11:05:50 AM
Yuvie:  Ali - Don't even insult me like that. I've said before, for me, Mayweather has killed my interest in boxing lately, so I certainly wouldn't pay to watch that crap.
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 01:04:40 PM
MisterLee:  More loonies in here than a Pacquiao article. Holler!
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 02:42:38 PM
brownsugar@dp69and Fe'Roz:  dp69,.. if you follow Scareweathers,.. I mean Mayweathers career like I have,.. a pattern emerges,.. he fights top contenders,.. take an easy fight or 2,.. then he goes for the gusto everytime,.. He thrives on doing the impossible,.. which he has done at many points of his career,.. the cylcle is complete,... and Floyd is at the point where he must impress again,..or fall to the back of the line,(moneywise),.. if Cotto beats Pac,.. it would be easier for Mayweather to negotiate with "I FIGHT FOR THE COMPANY" Cotto,.. then it would be with Roach and company,.. after he catches Cotto a few times,.. he'll be in shell shock (and easy prey) for Mayweathers deadly combos,... I won't get even mention Cotto nutbreaking victory over Zab,.. Zab had him,. but not many people can overcome an few uppercuts to the cajones...
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 03:31:49 PM
Smiley C @MisterLee:  And a few tunes than Bible scripture. Write a looney tunes good book fo' sure!
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 03:40:06 PM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz:  Fe'Roz,..it's been a very long day,..sparring with you is like playing Chess with Kasperov,.. I'll concede this one,. but I do see the logic of your words,...I do agree with the fans who say that Mayweather must step up,.. I'll give him a tune up after 21 months,.. now it's time to for him to "get Busy" with some respectable comp.....Floyd should have fought Cotto 3 years ago,..I'm still a little salty about that one,.. but if Cotto can find a way past magnificent Manny,.. it would a great opportunity to see the best of Floyd...
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 08:22:05 PM
brownsugar@#1PACFAN:  Pacfan,.. maybe I didn't clarify myself well enough with my passionate and very enthusiastic words,.. I meant that I was one of the MILLION PPV folks who paid to watch,.. ON TV,...although I technically didn't have to give out any money,.. the fella's at the party had already covered the bill before I got there,.. and refused to take my money from me,(of course everybody was tipsy and generous wnen I got there),...I'm with you though,.. I don't blame you for not having much enthusiasm for Floyd,.. it's your right as a boxing fan,. and I can see your logic,.. matter if fact I'm so tired of talking about Mayweather,.. I'll probably not even speak another work on the subject until we know who his next opponent is...
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 08:31:56 PM
Fe'roz @ Brownsugar:  Manny is the bigger money....but Cotto is the easier fight for Floyd. Frankly, I would rather see Floyd fighting welters from here on in. And if he wants to be a historical figure and truly challenge himself like SRL did vs. Hagler, there are plenty of big names his size and bigger. And frankly, I'm not sure he couldn't outbox anybody alive up to 160. But as I type, I wonder if Floyd might not genuinely be afraid....or simply not want to...put himself in Harm's Way. That thought alone gives me pause.
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 08:52:57 PM
MisterLee @ SmileyC:  I'll write a book of the TSS soon fo' certain!
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 03:08:58 AM
Smiley C @ MisterLee:  I will that book fo' sure!
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 09:49:06 PM
Vlad:  Greenburg is full of it, when you start talking about money he will kiss just about any boxers a$$ for it, what a hypocrite.
Monday Oct 26, 2009 11:32:21 PM

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