It's recently been reported by a few California on-line newspaper publications that Golden Boy Promotions and Lou DiBella are going to announce that WBA welterweight champ Shane Mosley will meet WBC title holder Andre Berto on January 30th of 2010.
It sure seems that since using up the 10-15 dates Lou DiBella was given by HBO when he left to start "DiBella Entertainment," Lou has been in the role of the junior promoter lately. One thing boxing fans aren't aware of is just how hard it is for secondary promoters to get television dates. Which translates into certain fighters having the unwritten edge and that's how it affects the fans; we have evidence of the cause and effect most recently in the Diaz-Malignaggi bout.
Wow - The WBA champ fighting the WBC champ, is it suddenly the 80s again? In a statement by Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, he implied that the winner of Mosley-Berto will strengthen their case and be considered among the upper-echelon of the pound-for-pound list. In others words the winner will have bragging rights to lobby for a fight with the Pacquiao-Cotto winner or Floyd Mayweather.
Mosley-Berto is an interesting fight from a fan’s perspective and it's also the biggest and best fight that can be realized for both Shane and Andre at this time. Let’s face it, Berto has nowhere else to go. There's no money or status for Mayweather to gain by fighting him, and with Pacquiao and Cotto already scheduled for November 14th, who's left? As far as Mosley, everybody knows that Mayweather really doesn't want to fight him and for reasons that make perfect sense. Not only could he be convincingly beaten by Mosley, (if he's still the fighter who knocked out Margarito in January) but it wouldn't be the superfight that he's in line for against the Pacquiao-Cotto winner. Regardless of who wins between them, Mayweather matches up better with both Manny and Miguel than he does Shane.
By virtue of process of elimination Mosley-Berto is the right fight for both.
For Berto, Mosley should represent his coming out party and arrival. Andre hasn't fought anyone of Mosley's caliber since turning pro five years ago. He also hasn't been impressive in any particular fight and in some boxing circles he's perceived to be more hype than he is a world beater. At age 26 it's the right time for Berto to step up in class and take on the 38 year old Mosley. Shane looked terrific in his last fight against Margarito, but it's also possible that he could have a slight letdown after doing everything he could in trying to land a fight with Pacquiao and Mayweather and instead is fighting Berto. Mosley is not beyond looking past certain fighters and sometimes his confidence and toughness have led to him not always fighting the smartest fight he should and in turn some fights that should've been easy ended up being more of a struggle.
Mosley like Berto didn't have many options and by the time the fight rolls around Shane will have been out of the ring for over a year. At age 38 the rest may be good for his body and it's been reported that he's stayed in shape since he last fought, but nothing keeps a fighter sharp and rust-free like fighting does. Mosley can't continue to just hang around and challenge Pacquiao to fight at ridiculous catch-weights nor can he hope to embarrass Mayweather into fighting him. By fighting Berto he can pick up another title belt if he wins and further establish himself as the top fighter in the welterweight division.
The only shot Mosley has to land the big money fight he's been clamoring for is to take the right fights over the next year and not lose. In reality Mosley could be more than a year away from getting a shot at the Pacquiao-Cotto winner or Mayweather, which isn't a given. And that's because it's all contingent on 1) - a fight between Mayweather and the Pacquiao/Cotto winner can be made, and 2)- the winner of that fight is willing to fight Mosley.
Until then Mosley has to keep busy and remain in front of the boxing public. Fighting Andre Berto does that for him. Along with that he has a chance to pick up another title and gain more of a stranglehold on the welterweight division, not to mention beating a young undefeated fighter the likes of Berto will reinforce the thought that he's still the fighter to beat at 147. Obviously, there will be those who say that who ever comes out on top among the Pacquiao, Cotto, Mayweather trio is the top pound-for-pound fighter in boxing. However, that's a very subjective and mythical title.
If Mosley takes care of Berto and looks good doing it, he'll have the right to reply that the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing who's in his division can't even claim they're the best welterweight in the world let alone the best fighter in boxing.
And if by chance Berto upsets Mosley, he'll be injected into the mix. And it's not likely that whoever survives the round robin of the Pacquiao/Cotto/Mayweather trio will have any trepidation in regards to fighting Berto, translating into Berto possibly parlaying a win over Mosley into a huge money fight.
Mosley-Berto is a smart fight for all parties involved and it has the potential to be an interesting one too. Berto will no doubt press Mosley and try to force the fight. And Mosley is at his best fighting as the counter-puncher. In addition to that this will be Mosley's second fight with new trainer Naazim Richardson.
Naazim did a great job prepping Mosley on how to box Margarito the first time they worked together. Mosley never learned to hold and tie up bigger and stronger opponents like Margarito, yet under the tutelage of Richardson he did it perfectly, and that had a lot to do with how good Mosley looked in the fight.
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Matthew:
I really hope this fight is made. The best fight out there, naturally, is Mosley-Mayweather, but Floyd doesn't seem to want it (at least not right now). While I think Mosley should be able to beat Berto, I don't like the fact that it will be a year since he beat Margarito. Having Nazim Richardson in his corner again is a big plus, and I think he'll come up with a good game plan. Mosley should be able to win, but you always wonder if this is the fight in which Mosley grows old, especially with the inactivity. Even though the jury is still out about Berto's chin, I like Shane by UD.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:35:27 AM
ultimoshogun:
This matchup makes sense for both fighters and it could be an entertaining one if it happens. My money will be on Sugar Shane...Berto barely edged out a win against Collazo and was rocked a couple times. If Mosley comes in as sharp as he did for the Margarito fight he should win by TKO.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:48:09 AM
Teacher:
In my opinion much tougher fight for Mosley than Margarito. I believe Margarito lost any confidence he had when he got caught with bad wraps. Berto moves well, throws in combinations, and is at this point probably quicker than Mosley. I love Mosley, but I see Berto gutting this one out and get a split decision a la Collazo. Don't quote me though, lol.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:59:35 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
I agree with shogun, Berto needs a win in his resume by the name of Sugar Shane Mosley. Unfortunatey, he's not going to get it. Berto is just not in the same league of Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, or any of the top Welts out there. I see Mosley by knockout late in the fight.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 11:11:29 AM
RIVERSIDE:
easy fight for mosley, how is berto goint to fight him? if he gets in trouble berto does not grab or holds he fights, mid rounds ko for mosley
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 11:25:15 AM
bigroc:
Decent article. One question though: exactly how does Mosley or anyone else for that matter beat Mayweather convincingly?
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 11:29:27 AM
Good Doctor:
I think Berto has the tools to win this fight but I don't think he has the technique yet. Berto does not throw alot of combo's, his footwork is a little suspect and he doesn't move his head. However, he is unbelievably fast and packs a decent punch. His chin also seems to be ok even though Collazo got a few shots on him. I like Shane in this one but not a domination. Maybe a 8-4 UD for Shane
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 11:29:59 AM
apimpnamedslickback:
I always thought Mosely would have his way with Berto, I thought it was the luck of the boxing gods that Mosely really wasn't interested in fighting Berto (Mosely looking for big mega fights of course). Nothing and I mean nothing in Berto's arsenal is ready for what Shane is going to bring to him, I got Mosely my mid-fight ko.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 11:47:49 AM
GOAT:
I don't agree with the author. He claims that PBF doesn't want to fight Mosely, but he failed to mention that Mosely turned him down twice already. Now, Shane is not scarred of PBF or Vive Versa, the only reason Shane turned PBF down was because he was looking for bigger fights worth more money. The reason PBF will not fight Shane anytime soon is because will fight the winner of Pac/Cotto for wayyyy more money. If it's with Cotto, the fight will generate way more than PBF/Shane. If it's Pacman, then it will the highest grossing fight of all time and make both PBF anf Pac close to 30 mil apiece. Boxing writers are suppossed to know how this works. Top level fighters are not afraid of other fighters, they are afraid of retiring broke.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 01:15:50 PM
GOAT:
I know boxing writers have to earn their money by writing articles but we as boxing fans need to be patient. In the next year or 18 months, we will know the legacy of PBF, Pacman, Shane, Cotto, and PW. I believe these fighters will fight each other within the next year to 18 months and then we will see who is the best out of all of them.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 01:31:06 PM
donputo69 chilling in fajardo P.R:
well....as we all know by now....scareweather chicken'd out again...lol...am i surprise...lol...mosley vs berto is still a good fight though....i cant see berto pulling tjis one out.....i say mosley by TKO late in the fight....holla back!!!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 02:41:14 PM
Frank Z:
I'm a huge huge fan of both these guys, though berto frustrates me sometimes cause he's got so much talent but he does some basic stuff wrong that gets him in trouble... he never changes up the pace of his punches and he gets reckless, and he's starting to paw a weak jab. i've said it before on these forums and i'll say it again that i think he needs to find a better trainer who works more with pro boxers. i think he's doing the wrong kind of strength training because against urango he looked more jacked but also slower and tighter, not the lightning combos like against stevie forbes, though fighting a strong southpaw's always awkward. shane being able to keep fit at this age is on his way of being the next b-hop, and he's finally boxing more cerebral under nazim richardson, not just trying to plow his opponent over with his speed and power. berto's best chance in his fight is to try to win exchanges with mosley, which is hard for me to picture happening cause of his recklessness. mosley's power is superior to berto's and his experience will show through. id on't think ring rust will affect shane too much with his experience and the fact that he's been in and out of the gym rings the whole time. i got mosley by stoppage late.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 02:48:12 PM
Anony:
I LIKE BOTH FIGHTERS AS WELL but Mosley looked great against Margacheato and Marg is like the guy from "Terminator", always coming back... Berto is not a power pressure like that and Mosley's experience will show against him. Of course, unless Shane gets old of the sudden. ONE MORE THING: Berto should keep his word and fight Jose Luis Collazo again. I mean, that fight was a great fight for both boxers but it was kind of obvious that Collazo deserved the decision. Berto is not honoring his word. I will take two points out from his resume.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 03:35:48 PM
BoxingFan:
If Mosley were to lose to Berto then we will know he's been on steriods.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 03:57:07 PM
rudy:
Berto gets KTFO by Shane. Its not even close, Collazo had him dazed and he looked average against the smaller Urango.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 04:05:43 PM
Frank Z @GOAT:
I've defended floyd's bravery as a fighter as much as anyone on these forums, but i don't think you can use the reasooning of floyd caling out shane in the past as shane being the actual coward for ducking. he did say he wanted to fight shane in the past, and maybe he really does want to, but the perception he's giving off now is that he's afraid, and he knows it, and he can change it right away by saying "you know what if the money's right we'll do it." he doesn't even talk trash now about how he'd thrash mosley if they got in the ring together. now we don't know what floyd's tihnking and he's provcen to be pretty calculating in getting as much money as he can out of this sport. but right now the jury's out on if he really wants to take on the bangers of the WW division. before i defended him cause he was not a real welterweight, but if he won't even cut below 146 to 144, then he's a welterweight, whether he's a big one or not. if he's gonna make the claim that he's the best WW and p4p fighter out there, he's gonna have to prove it, he needs to realize that shouting really loudly that he is won't convince the rest of us. i want to believe it for sure, but i can't until he does something about it. i acutally don't believe pac's definitley the top p4p fighter either, cuase there's some folks that he hasnt' faced either, like tim bradley. it's just hard with the game the way it is today to really pick out the best P4p cause there's so few fights and so much avoiding. honestly cotto has the best case for p4p of any guy out there right now, cause he's beaten shane mosley and put up a helluva fight against a man with loaded gloves, but see even then that's only 2 fights.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 04:10:34 PM
Thunder:
Mosley vs Mayweather.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 04:37:05 PM
brownsugar:
if Berto can fight,.. carefully,. he'll outspeed Mosely like a younger,..fresher Cotto did,.. Berto has faster reaction speed than Mosely,.. he also is much lighter,and swifter on his feet,.. Berto has the tools to pick Mosely apart,.. and laugh the old man into retirement...(but you can't deny that Mosley is a "Great" OLd Man)
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:04:04 PM
Anony watching sponge bob square pants:
I change my mind. I think berto would ko mosley in 4. Im out. Peace!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:06:02 PM
Radam G a most humble PacManite:
Hahaha! Anony watching sponge bob? I always knew you was a lil too funny. Holla!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:09:12 PM
Eastar:
why is mosley fighting berto? i know why! he's scare of my boy money mayweather. Eastar! im out. Peace!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:12:07 PM
donputo69:
i agree with Eastar. mosley is scare. money may is the man.holla back!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:14:07 PM
ali @ Frank Z:
I agree with every thing you said except for the part that he's giving the perception that he's scared. What has he done to make you say that? He came back after 2 years and fought a very good fighter now he's just waiting to see what happen in the Cotto vs Pac fight before he picks who next to get there ass kicked I don't see nothing wrong with that. The Pac fight make more sense even the Mayweather hater would agree with that but if he loses Cotto might make more sense. I do want to see him fight Mosley as bad as Pac but you got to weigh your options and make next move your best move.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:21:50 PM
ali @ Radam G:
im gonna be straight up. I think your boy pacman will beat my boy mayweather. to be honest, im getting tired myself of mayweather. i think mayweather should give baldomir a second chance. im out. peace!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 05:30:46 PM
The Real Donputo69 in San Juan Puerto Rico:
@ ali....i think your boy scareweather dont want it with either mosley or the winner of cotto and pacquiao....he knows those 3 boxers are a real threat of giving him a lose or a beatdown....I just think he's gonna pick an easy opponent on his next fight....somebody like urango or arce....my bet is he's gonna pick arce...lol...holla back!!!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 06:39:07 PM
RG - Alam ninyong sa akin. Pagod ako ang gugong lalaki:
EasySleazy is keeping it greasy. I guess his DLM knock the Ea-stars out of that bottom. Dude is gettin' on his clone because he is all alone. He cannot not even holla at his DLM on da phone. In isolation for not obeying the rules, his DLM is gone. So that sucka come up in this Universe trying to cheat on his DLM. What type of ______ is he! His ____ is in lockdown and in cell block ___ and Eastar is getting on his easy sleazy. Wow! Sugar Shane Mosley is lost. I guess that divorce really is getting to him. He use have kept that nice wife. But NO! He wanna mess up his life. Now all up in his grill is strife. Holla!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 07:22:08 PM
RG - isa lang walang iba:
***He should have kept that nice wife....
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 07:24:56 PM
Frank Z @ Ali:
that's very true his idea of a tune up fight is against tougher opposition than most, especially after being off that long, but i saw him in an interview today where he was asked about mosley and gave reasons that he doesn't have to face him, shane being 38, desperate, a steroid user, maybe still a steroid user, has 5 losses, all the old stuff that we've all heard before and nobody takes seriously. that's the part about floyd that i don't like, and that's what his critics will use against him to say that he's afraid. i agree that he's probably just weighing his options and doesn't want to get into the ring unless he can get a maximum profit, which i will never blame any boxer for, but mayweather has gotten to the point where talk is very cheap, he's coming back after nearly 2 years and saying he never abdicated his throne, so people are eager to see him prove it, and he must at least give off the perception that he's willing to do so. he should be sitting on top of his hill saying "Line up whoever, if the money's right, i'll put them down for 10 in the ring." is it fair for people to expect him to always fight th ehardest fight possible? probably not, but that's the position you put yourself in if you say you're above sugar ray robinson, in an era where you can only fight 3, 4 times a year if you're really active, as a top level boxer.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 07:52:48 PM
Howie:
Mosley vs Berto would be an exciting fight. Megabout to start the new year.
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Thursday Oct 8, 2009 07:53:38 PM
Rene S:
It's better not to give attention to Floyd cuz he has no interest in fighting top class boxers like Pac Cotto Mosley and Marg he won't fight. He said he won't wait for the Pac Cotto result , then who he gonna fight? Another lightweight?
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 08:19:47 PM
MisterLee:
Wow, think I just wet ma self. Mosley vs. Berto! Now that's a fight! Mosley's speed and power and renewed basics vs. Berto's speed and boxing craftiness... a few things to notice... berto has 0 infighting, he has no punch power (i like how he did light heavy bag work agst urango), and if collazo can beat him up, hypothetically mosley is gonna put him thru hell. Mosley made cotto's win a looong night for cotto, and that's without a freakin' game plan nor a jab! Think what mosley could have done with the right trainer, and the right game plan. Mosley could go either way then, either beat up mayweather, or continue unifying the titles agst clottey, williams, and make his own name knowing that all the "best" fighters avoided his A$$. Holler!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 08:44:15 PM
Fe'Roz :
In an article about Shane Mosley, I think we diminish Shane's career accomplishments and his current ownership of the welterweight championship of the world by even mentioning Floyd Mayweather. Shane is the champion. Floyd is just a prize fighter. He holds no titles. Not welterweight champ. Not pound for pound champ. None. He fights for money. And does so well. He makes claims to greatness. And yet aims for less. He challenges no one. He seeks no fight. Money yes, fight no. He is not Shane Mosley. Nor is he Paul Williams. These two are prepared and made clear their willingness to fight anyone, anytime. These are fighters with a real sense of who they are... and of how one earns their place in history. Floyd is a poser. Talented for sure... but a poser nevertheless. The only throne he sits one is his own. In his world... or should I say big boy mansion.... that throne may be gold. But it's only use is to catch the you know what that blows out his ass. Sugar Shane Mosley has fought and beat... and yes, lost.... to better fighters, in fact the best fighters, of their division in their time. That is not a claim many can make. Certainly not Floyd. Shane deserves not simply our respect but any fairer world, the fights earned by a champion. Andre Berto will have to suffice. After all, Shane needs to stay busy. All fighters do.... and Shane Mosley isn't getting any younger. I see him beating Berto, who quite frankly must know himself that he was given a gift by HBO and the judges in his last fight. He's a fine boxer...... but he is not in Mosley's class. That, unfortunately, does not mean that he may not be able to bat Shane. If he does, it would be a shame. A great fighter like Mosley deserves better.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 09:27:32 PM
Isaiah:
Rumble young man rumble! Yey, I'm saying that about Shane Mosley, what of it? If Bernard Hopkins can beat down Kelly Pavlik at the age of 43 and rematch Jones next year at the age of 45, I don't see 38 as too old. Given of course that a smaller man ages faster, Mosley is roughly in the same boat given his current age, still world class skill, and size, he will put a beat down on Berto in a stay busy fight he badly needs. Mosley wins by TKO in round 6.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 09:33:40 PM
I stole this line by the way, AND THE ANGELS SANG AN EMACULIATE CHORUS, DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS DESCENDED CHUCK NORRIS, WHO DELIVERED A KICK THAT COULD SHATTER BONES, INTO THE CROCH OF MAYWEATHER'S STONES. Thought I'd say this twice in case the first one got deleted. It made me laugh.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:01:05 PM
Fe'roz @ Isaiah:
Stick to the Good Book my brother. Better quotes! pc
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:15:02 PM
Frank Z:
you know what i've been harsh on tony morgan in the past but i think i'll pull back judgement on him. berto has been improving some in his head movement and using his shoulders to catch shots, although he's abandoned his jab and is still throwing reckless punches at a burnout pace. against a guy like mosley you need to make each punch effective and count. @isaiah, i agree, rumble young man rumble, mosley looks and acts younger than most folks 15 years his junior. his face is a bit more wrinkled but other than that his movement, speed, and snappiness in his shots look like a man in his mid 20s. one thing shane's really godo at is throwing straight sharp shots down the pipe between arching shots of his opponent, which is partly why i think he's been able to stay relatively undamaged even thoguh he loves exchanges, and he's able to roll his head with the blow if he gets caught to take some power off it. if berto comes in trying to outspeed shane, he's going to find himself in the middle of an old man schooling. honestly with berto's toolset it's tough for me to picture him beating shane. his power's not as good, his defense is questionable, his chin we dont know, his speed isi good but i think weight training is ruining that, and shane can basically match him there.
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:17:57 PM
Isaiah:
This is really weird since I was just talking about Bernard Hopkins, but I swear I'm not making this up. I just checked the Ring Magazine website and found out BERNARD HOPKINS IS FIGHTING FRINGE CONTENDER ENRIGUE ORNELUS (29-5 19KOS) ON DEC 2ND, SAME NIGHT AS ROY JONES FIGHTING DANNY GREEN!
Thursday Oct 8, 2009 10:55:06 PM
thetruth:
F-Lo - STOP with the lies, Floyd is NOT SCARED of Kanye Mosley...Shane is pushing 40, coming off 5 losses and NEEDS that big payday...He was fighting a STATIONARY PUNCHING BAG IN MARGARITO! Shane still doesn't move his head (nor feet...on a consistent basis), keeps his lead hand low, paws with his jabs, throws wide looping right hands...Only thing he has is speed, toughness, and power...He would be out-classed by Floyd's superior accuracy, defense, and technique!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 08:50:38 AM
Anony @ Radam:
RADAM... that's Eastar impersonating the invisible hill billy from Kansas. Talking about guys that doesn't have self esteem and always play tricks..... Eastar is just like his hero - the Scareweather. Let him have fun until Editor Mike finds out how to shut his IP down.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 09:10:05 AM
joe adame:
I am very impressed by everybodies thoughts and comments.You guys are real boxing fans and i was happy to read mostly all of your comments.F-roz made some good points!!Yes Mayweather is great ,but to who?i understand him for taking big money fights and safe fights..But arent we as boxing fans being robbed of seeing the real meaningful fights.pw vs pbf,shane vs pw,cotto vs pbf etc...whatever happen to the pride fighters had in winning a championship belt.men have cried and put there life on the line for belts and respect.(fernando vargas)...though he came up short you have to respect vargas for taking big fights at an early age and having the balls to go out on his back...All in all,fans have to speak up for real super fights that are out there cuz in the end we are the ones paying to watch them...comment me back,i would be glad to hear your thoughts anybody..
Friday Oct 9, 2009 10:19:39 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
I agree with your first comment 100% Frank Z. You're the only one who used to defend him to finally realize what Floyd is all about. You got your tune up now take the fight with Mosley. Pac could've played the same game by waiting on Floyd after his fight. But he is all about legacy and went after one of the most dangerous fighter in the WW division. Heck he was willing to fight Mosley! I disagree with the part when you said it's really hard to know who is the legimate P4P fighter right now. Pacquiao has never avoid anyone, now you may say that he ducked J. Diaz. But look at what JMM did to him. I know styles make fights but JMM only needed one good counter and the tables were turned. T. Bradley is not top level opponent who's chin is suspect to me. MP is definitely the #1 p4p fighter today!
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:33:29 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
Floyd fears Mosley because of what he did to Margarito. That's why he retired, because Cotto was looking impressive, Margarito was deadly, and Shane just killed Marg. He waited until all these guys beat each others' arsess to get soften up then comes Floyd after the leftovers. What do you called those birds that scavenge for food? Help me out...
Friday Oct 9, 2009 11:42:18 AM
ultimoshogun:
Vulture?
Friday Oct 9, 2009 12:23:59 PM
AFN:
This fight was on the cards for January this year when Margarito and his camp of plasterers were holding out for a bigger slice of the pie against Mosley. Then a last minute agreement was made, and the rest is history. So now instead of seeing Berto war with Collazo in one of the fights of the year (my nod to Collazo), we get to see Berto schooled by Mosley, and leave Mayweather with little option but fight him or the winner of Pacman Cotto. Poor Floyd. EL TOONOY
Friday Oct 9, 2009 12:25:29 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
Bingo! Thanks Shogun! Floyd is like a vulture, circles around and waits for leftovers.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 01:47:18 PM
Frank Z:
@ thetruth, Shane is in want of money, especially to be fighting at age 38, and he does have a tendency to get reckless, but if his margo fight is any indication then he's able to correct it even this late in his career with a good cornerman, his father had done a good job raising himi as a fighter but seemed to fall short at cornering his son on the big fights, not giving him the right advice, not seeing the fight for what it was etc. richardson is one of the best minds in the game today. shane has all the physical tools still, he just needs someone to channel and guide it in the right direction, sounds odd to say about someone with 50 + fights but i think it's true.
@ #1pacfan, it's true that pacquiao is the best candidate for p4p best, but what i was trying to get at was that until you see someone come up and really beat everyone in the ring, different styles and all, you can't say someone's an all around best with certainty. it's just the way the scene is today, you can't truly prove you're the best, you can only do the best yo ucan in the fights you have and let the critics and fans argue over it. as good as pac is, he still has yet to prove he's able to overcome JMM. the reason i always have to be cynical about this kind of stuff, is that boxing's so damn corrupt today that so many fights with potential and ability never make it to where we know them by their monikers because they're not connected right.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 03:01:19 PM
Frank Z @ #1 Pacfan:
one last thing to add to my last comment, pacquiao is definitley willing to fight anyone, the problem is his promoter, and i never tohught i'd say i don't blame bob arum, but i don't blame bob arum for holding pac back vs. anyone except big names, he's his cash cow at this point.
Friday Oct 9, 2009 03:08:13 PM
dr3r42:
"hill billy from Kansas ?" There arn't any hillbillies living in Kansas; the state is about as flat as a board.
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 05:40:23 PM
alfred Jones:
why would anyone fight mosley. the guy is obviously doing steroids.in addition to the balco testimony,. at an age when most people are declining in strenght , he is the strongest he has ever been in his career. I feel sorry for Berto. it is not an even playing field
Saturday Oct 10, 2009 09:14:14 PM
Terry:
Maybe that is why they are "the invisible hill billy from Kansas." There ain't no hills in Kansas.
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 12:24:56 AM
MisterLee:
There are some real stupid comments here fo' sho! you cant deny that mosley is the NUMBER ONE welterweight in the world. And Ring Magazine JUST put Floyd Mayweather as 2nd p4p fighter in the world for beating Marquez! the world is nuts. That's why i never liked Ring Fagazine. They still have Margarito as the 5th best welterweight in the world OVER berto, marg who is a disgraced ex-champion who clearly cheated and is in suspension. Some idiot wrote "mosley is coming off of 5 losses"... very smart, since his last two fights were wins by KO over mayorga and margarito... both of them bigger guys? who did floyd fight last? hatton and marquez, both smaller guys. I said it before and ill say it again, Floyd has NEVER fought any fighter that was on the P4P list and in his weight class. He's fought paper champions and bums and number 1 contenders, but never a top tier p4p champion in his weight class. Oscar De La Hoya at 154 was his hardest fight yet. Sad to say.
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 02:34:37 AM
Frank Z @ Misterlee:
I agree with most of what you said, but i have an issue with ranking who the best in each weight class is. shane mosley definitely made the best case he could about being the best WW in the world by knocking the crap out of margarito, but you still can't forget that cotto beat shane in their fight. i feel that shane could have easily outpointed cotto if he had circled on his toes the way pac is planning to, but either way you slice it cotto won a close slugfest. i do agree it's a joke that margarito is still ranked. until we clear up the hands of stone issue in his past fights (which we never will) he should never be considered by ring magazine again. remember though that ring is owned by oscar now, so be on the lookout in the future for lots of GBP fighters and peopel who collaborate with GBP to be on there. they probalby haven't been credible since nat fleischer died in '72. floyd is out of excuses now, it's folks like cotto, mosley, clottey, pacquiao or those of us who love his skill and ability will walk away for good.
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 08:44:19 AM
Frank Z:
you know what they shoul djust have a welterweight super 6 like with the supermids.... mayweather mosley cotto clottey berto williams.
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 12:04:27 PM
Precise171:
Mosley and Berto will be a great fight. Berto is a threat. Funny how Shane has to fight undefeated tough younger guys while the other guys pick and plod. Mosley did not want Williams! Who would. Williams is another deadly throwback who can't get a break. Mosley is a welter with several foes at 147 to chase. Nobody else gets criticized for side stepping Williams. Mosley is all heart and has proven himself. He is being pushed out but multiple belts at 147 can keep him on top.
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 01:05:51 PM
PrincessCal:
I'm all for the least expected......I hope Berto knock Shane out! This will be a must see fight.
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 06:20:44 PM
MisterLee @ Frank Z :
Either way you put it, Mosley beat the number one welterweight in the world when he was a 4:1 underdog, and i was arguing all over youtube that mosley was gonna knock this guy like rocky knocked dolph lungren. I think cotto fight was close and warrants a rematch (esp if cotto wins , a unification match). But you have to admit with a better game plan (or A game plan), mosley would do well. I think mosley AND judah underestimated Cotto's speed and boxing skills, b/c cotto wasn't that big and famous yet, and was seen as a slow brawler, as opposed t to a boxer brawler with a high ring iq. I truly dislike Ring magazine. Their articles are really unoriginal Holler!
Sunday Oct 11, 2009 11:30:25 PM
robbiegg:
if fight is made ,i think we see a stallion of 38 having a heart of a 25 against a new blood of champion.i saw how mosley do beat margarito.hes in high morale,hes on for a showdown on pacman or mayweather if he do win. for berto ,a big opportunity never let go.if he win.my bet ,its sugar shane mosley 7 round.
Monday Nov 16, 2009 03:37:03 AM
frank white:
mayweather is going to wait until SSM gets old in the ring before that fight happens just like with de la hoya. why do so call boxing fans keep thinking mayweather is pound for pound the best when he hasn't fought anyone.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 05:56:56 PM
boxingFreek:
I cannot believe what I am hearing about Mosley. Berto's fights have been against boxers that are much slower ,less power, less experience than Mosley. With N. Richardson as Mosley's trainer, nobody want's to fight Mosley. Mosley has all the tools to get past Berto's defence. I think a more exciting fight would be Mosley and Mayweather or Mosley and Pac man !
Wednesday Dec 9, 2009 10:48:26 PM
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