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ali:
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Mayweather is #1 period and if Pac beats Cotto the world will see it with there own two eyes. But as normal the haters will have excuses Mayweather andf all of his fans know this but we don't give a $hit.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 07:47:07 PM
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ali:
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where is the william-pavlik article
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 07:48:40 PM
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Mayweather #1? Your logic is just based on the match he was in against pacquiao's former opponent. OK im not gonna talk about marquez being bloated up, too slow, with no power in that fight. If you compare their past opponents, then Pacquiao destroyed De la Hoya and Hatton. Don't say de la hoya was weight drained cuz the same thing can be said with mayweather fighting a way smaller man. Also, it was already predicted that he was gonna beat marquez, not that decisively though. But a lot more people were shocked with how pacquiao destroyed both DLH and Hatton. Your forgetting that pacquiao moved up 3 weight classes in 10 months. While mayweather went down, and even overweighed himself.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 08:15:39 PM
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hanson:
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Just one match: (a)against an opponent who was moving two weight divisions higher; (b) with all the advantages practically on the side of Floyd – natural weight level, younger, bigger, longer reach, faster which is why you had a 4 is to 1 betting odds, etc, – - then we crown Money May as the new P4P. C’mon, even if the performance of Floyd was great . . we expected all that defensive magic (what would have made a statement is if he KO’d Marquez given that he had all those advantages . . but, he DID NOT). The performance of Pac Monster against Hatton on his natural weight level . . the linear champion at 140lbs . . was to my mind – more emphatic, more convincing and (since Manny surprised us with the powerful/early result) more P4P king performance. The bottom-line from my angle of this “mythical” title should belong to the fighter who continues to face the highest challenges, continues to provide superior (even surprising results), and does it on an extended period of time. Pac with his stunning results . . especially when he moved up to KO Diaz, TKO a much bigger past-prime Oscar (i.e. same past prime that gave Money May a split decision) and blasted Hatton in 2 rounds (which took Floyd 10). That trail of moving to 135lbs, then to welterweight 147lbs limit, then back to 140lbs with incredible success, is the mark of a P4P mythical king
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 08:37:35 PM
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The Brahma Bull
I’m sorry, but regaining the title of p4p king doesn’t mean picking a smaller guy to fight, not making the weight, not disclosing your true weight come fight night, and winning by a decision. I know I sound too pro Manny, but Manny hasn’t asked anyone to come up to his weight or go down to his weight. He never asked Oscar to go down. Oscar made the decision. He asked Manny to move up 12 pounds. He met Ricky at 140. He’s asking Cotto to go down 2 pounds, somewhere nowhere near Manny’s true fighting weight. Floyd asked Marquez to move up 9 pounds to 144 but in reality meant 146.
If Mayweather is to regain his title as p4p king, he must abide by the terms and not make his own. The whole not making weight junk that he pulled showed that he doesn’t have what it takes to be the p4p king. He doesn’t have the guts that Marquez or Pacquiao have. He didn’t even have the discipline to lose 2 more pounds. How can you have Mayweather as the king if he can’t even abide by the terms he agreed upon? He can’t even be considered king of the welterweight division because he didn’t even fight a welterweight.
I’m sorry, but Manny has never pulled crap like that. He always weighs in at or below the limit. I just hope that Cotto abides by the terms. If not, he’ll be considered like Floyd.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 08:42:13 PM
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yobski:
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This is an obvious hard sell of Mayweather. His win over a blown up lightweight in Marquez makes him the #P4P again? c'mon, how dumb does he think people are. I can't believe there are still people buying into all his BS.
If the argument is that since PBF beats Marquez more convincingly than Pacquiao, he's the best fighter, then it should also be argued that since Pacquiao destroyed ODH whom PBF had only a split decision win, Pacquiao should still be Number 1. Not mention how Pac destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds when it took PBF 10. In both the ODH and Hatton fights, Pacquiao didn't lose a single round and he closed the show on both of them. PBF ODH was close and hatton was winning in the first few rounds.
No, i'm sorry, but Pac is still Number 1 Pound for Pound!!!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 08:47:03 PM
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Mayweather's beating marquez should only be the first step towards, not the sole reason for, lifting the p4p crown off Pacquiao. I would wait when the bottom of the 9th inning is over, so to speak. Because you jumped on Mayweather's bandwagon too soon, if pacquiao does to Cotto what he did to hatton, Dela Hoya and Diaz, you'll be a laughing stock for letting your bias get in the way. Now you have to hope he loses to Cotto. I don't think mayweather punches hard enough to keep pacquiao at bay. Where Mayweather throws fast potshots from his defensive style, pacquiao throws lightning fast combinations relentlessly. Arguably, pacquiao is the most explosive fighter today with KO power in either hand.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 09:19:46 PM
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Dude just relax. This is like the playoffs, they'll fight each other soon enough. By the way I don't know how you can justify putting Mayweather who beat a lightweight like Marquez ahead of Pacquiao who if he beat Cotto would have beaten a true welterweight. Until they really fight each other I just don't know how you can make a case for it.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 09:26:07 PM
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Howie Drufford:
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Manny Pacquiao is the best! 1 fight is not enought to catapult Mayweather into the rankings specifically into the top 10 worst in the 2nd spot! Even if it was life and death for Pacquiao against Marquez, it was still a head-to-head collision unlike Mayweather vs Marquez which was clearly a one-sided fight. For more Pacquiao vs Cotto updates, visit pacquiao-vs-cotto[dot]cebuspace[dot]com
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:34:46 PM
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randz853:
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it is better to say Mayweather is the #1 maybe after he fight PAcquiao. It is half baked analysis by just comparing the performanced of the two against JMM.
Let them face each other and we have a lot of time to talk who is the best figther after the MAyweather/PAcquiao Fight.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:48:57 PM
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randz853:
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it is better to say Mayweather is the #1 maybe after he fight PAcquiao. It is half baked analysis by just comparing the performanced of the two against JMM.
Let them face each other and we have a lot of time to talk who is the best figther after the MAyweather/PAcquiao Fight.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:49:28 PM
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bob:
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Ron, Burgess, Ron, Manny's on his way. Ron, Burgess, Ron, you don't have any sense. Ron, Burgess, Ron, Mayweather's really weathered. And if you don't stop talking nonsense you will end up like him in a loony bin.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:53:21 PM
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qan2tero:
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ron,
we can still debate about floyds being no 1 p4p once again because of his dominant win over jmm. but you people, failed to realize that the fighter he defeated was a 2 WEIGHT CLASSES below him? besides, if its pac who fought marquez that time, m sure PACS whould have knocked jmm BRUTALLY. look at what the feather fisted juan diaz did to jmm @ LIGHTWEIGHT? i mean, the welterweight fight between pac & jmm would be different from the one they fought at superfeather!
oh my goodness!!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:54:48 PM
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kinyo:
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Idiot Ron Borges....
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:56:12 PM
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qan2tero:
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i would completely disagree about pac being no 2 p4p even IF HE WINS against a MUCH BIGGER & STRONGER FIGHTER in cotto. I just cant see why would you still make floyd ahead of PAC- just because he defeated a MUCH SMALLER FIGHTER in JMM. so you mean, you would still give credit to PAC if he fought and destroy the smaller Israel vasquez, RAFael Marquez , Juanma lopez,?
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:02:27 PM
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PakYu:
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You writer seems a Mayweather Fan huh! How about Manny Pacquiao destroying Diaz, Delahoya in all rounds till 9th and Hatton only 2 rounds??? Did Floyd did that to DLH and Hatton? Tsk Tsk Tsk. . . Still Manny Pacquiao proves enough to be called and place to No.1 Pound for Pound King. . .
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:03:04 PM
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Rommel Aniag:
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Dude, do you even understand Boxing 101?
You cant wait to jump into the Mayweather bandwagon, you totally lose sound logic, and stretched out an argument that cant even hold water...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:03:59 PM
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Ron Borges - writer?:
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You should not be a writer, Ron. Cause this article plainly and completely sucks.
I'm a big boxing fan, and I'm a mayweather fan as well as a Pac fan. They are the 2 best boxers in the world. BUT...
as masterfully as how 'Money' defeated marquez, it is just a fight that won't get him back his P4P title. He defeated an overmatched opponent, everybody knows he will win. YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER... You just showed to all the pure boxing fans that they should not read your articles anymore. You showed everyone that you don't know anything about match making. You should know, that the only way MoneyMay can get his P4P titile back is to beat somebody his own size, say 'Mosley' or 'Williams'.
You such, man!!!!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:07:44 PM
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pahak:
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this article is so bias..i just hope and pray that this author is just an author and not a judge..for if he is one, justice is not one of his option..when pac fought de la hoya nd hatton they all said that pac will taste his shameful defeat yet he prevailed..i thought discrimination is constitutionally infirm in america, yet this white folks still do the same..shame on you author..
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:19:59 PM
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"His name is Manny Pacquiao and he is a man who believes he’s the once and future king of boxing. Maybe he is but he’ll need a chance to prove it and the only one who can give it to him is Floyd Mayweather, Jr."
Manny don't need Mayweather to prove as king of boxing because he is now the king of boxing and he already proven that. Mayweather as well don't need Pacquiao to prove the same. He'll just fight the current top fighters in welterweight division like Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Williams and Margarito and win convincingly (that is if has the balls to fight them all).Or, if he wants to come up with Pacquiao's boxing legacy like (Pacquiao vs Dela Hoya) then he has the option to fight and drain the old Roy Jones Jr and meet him in middleweight division.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:24:33 PM
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monRF:
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its funny how mayweathered rise to the top..a guy al lot bigger cant knockout marquez..men was that a good thing a guy outboxing a a lot smaller opponent fo 12 rounds???nahhh
well oscar surrendered to pacman which mayweather could only land a descision.hatton lasted only 2 rounds in which you saw gasping for air like it was his last while the great floyed had a hard time and could only stop hatton in the later rounds.
if you try to compare things then try that
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:25:46 PM
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doc zhunri:
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This writer should not have submitted dumb articles in this site. There's such no science in his write up. C'mon editors, live up to your name..
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:26:22 PM
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as22:
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hey ron, why dont we put it this way, how bout we base it from the fights of pacquaio vs dela hoya and hatton? compare to mayweather vs the same opponents, how do you see it without any bias?
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:27:15 PM
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Jake:
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As usual we have the haters, on both sides but to be fair and simple, you cannot compare Floyd's achievement from Manny coz they came from 2 totally different weight division, one going up in weight and fighting bigger men and the other fighting smaller men and winning decisively. In my opinion Manny faced greater opposition whether you call it fighting a dehydrated, old, past-their-prime fighters, he went above his "comfort zone" and didn't back down from challenges. Floyd on the the other hand did the opposite. Pac had a hard time beating Marquez at 129 lbs. but he will easily demolish him IMO at 140 lbs. and above.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:27:55 PM
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noway:
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what a stupid analysis.. do you smoke PDF's dupe?
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:28:00 PM
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larry merchant:
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i used to really hate this guy but i kind of gotten past pbf's attitude problem and am actually quite impressed, skillwise. he was just perfect there that night (disregarding that all the odds were against marquez).
p4p should still go to pacquiao at this point though. pbf was very impressive, but not convincing. everything will depend on pac's performance (though i believe cotto is more dangerous than pbf).
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:28:53 PM
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pakul:
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as far as i know ring magazine still put pacquiao as number one.the bible of boxing doesnt lie.whatever you say that lil floyyd is number one thats fine with me thats your prerogative.but who will listen to you.you are nobody.i bet jose luis castillo shoul be put number 2 right now since mayweahter had life and death with him and got robbed of a decision.that should put ricky hatton as number 1 as he demolished castillo 2 yrs ago.you are joke.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:32:07 PM
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The only reason I could think of why yahoo sports placed Mayweather ahead of Pacquiao in the P4P# best is that he (mayweather) is an American and a bunch of American voters are voting so. Otherwise we have been reading the columns of a bunch of writers who should have been writing about the Miss Universe Pageant. ARE U GUYS SERIOUS???? Mayweather over Pacquiao just because he beat up a guy Pacquiao forced to the canvass 4 times???? Mayweather does not even deserved to be ahead of Mosley and Cotto. The guy never fought in his weight class in his return. What is P4P best about that? This is seriously sick! I would love for Pacman to retire for a year and beat up on Calderon someday so he can be P4P best again. Well at least I hope the same Yahoo people are voting that time.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:34:08 PM
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pakul:
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how could you top a dimunitive fighter annhilating giant fighter?wherein a welterweight winning against a lightweight.i hope you werent paid 600,000 for this article.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:37:43 PM
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popoy jakol:
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i salute you hanson for your great comment..
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:38:16 PM
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avidboxingfan:
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say it again, ron? mayweather is the best fighter right now? hahaha..u make me laugh!
i wont argue if PBF vs JMM fights at 130 or 135 lbs. i respect your opinion but as a journalist, you should dig more! your analysis is shallow and take note that ring magazine rate pacman the number 1! you are just preaching your lb-4-lb list posted in yahoo sports!
which is more credible, the guy challenging the bigger opponent or the guy fighting the smaller opponent who refuses to lose two pounds!!!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:39:00 PM
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george castroo:
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come on, if thats your logic, Mayweather also had a life and death fight with dela hoya and Hatton. Pacman KOd both of them in spectacular manner. So what gives? Mayweather couldn't even KO lightweight Marquez. Give me a break, Mayweather just runs and hits and runs again. He's not a fighter, he's a dancer.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:44:09 PM
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Edgardo:
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The writer simply based his P4P list top by comparing Paquiao and Mayweather fights against Marquez. He failed to assessed the condition prior to the fights. The facts, Mayweather never think of fighting Marquez fair by coming over the weight limit(advantage Mayweather). Height, reach are another advantage for Mayweather. So therefore, with style of hit and run agin Advantage Mayweather.
Now, the writer didn't think and never mention anything about the fights comparison over De la Hoya and Hatton. If you are raelly an expert boxing analyst. please let me know your comparison to these fights. Thank you.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:45:01 PM
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jomapac:
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this article got it all wrong, PAC is still P4P No. 1 until he gets beaten and beating Cotto who is naturally the bigger man and a champion in WW division just solidifies his claim...
IMHO PBF is the one who fought for second place, against a smaller man...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:48:44 PM
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thomas:
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the ring (the bible of boxing) says pacman is p4p number 1.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:49:08 PM
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victor:
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Nope... nothing was proven when the weight cheating floyd defeated midget marquez. floyd should fight welterweights, to test how great his legacy in boxing will be.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:49:55 PM
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fmh:
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bring em that floyd in front of a pacman, then lets see whose the man.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:50:50 PM
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thomas:
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dude, maweather is the number lightweight in the world because he beat the best lightweight in the world
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:53:18 PM
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Ed:
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PACMAN should be ranked below Mayweather because pacquaio is not a pound for pound king. (period) because;
1. He never cheated his opponents
2. He didnt picked smaller opponents
3. He dont have the best mouth to mouth trainer in the world
4. He never had a clean record of no loss at all
5. He is not a boring fighter
6. He is not stupid during interviews .. thats all folks...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:57:25 PM
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Jet G:
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if you really wanted to know who is p4p give a survey.who wins in 140 lbs.,who wins in 147 lbs. and who wins in a catchweight of 144 pounds.i think pac will have a greater stats to be the p4p.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:35:05 AM
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Viel Mervic:
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Mr. Rorges, where in this article is the part where we analyze that Marquez is fighting at welterweight for the first time? Where is the part that says Marquez was done at lightweight? Where in this article can we find that Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez were almost equal and neither one has obvious advantage over the other when they fought at their featherweight and superfeatherweight? Where is the part that we should not look at two fighters' common opponent to know who will win if the two fighters fought, and that the series of fights between Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, or Taylor, hopkins and Pavlik are examples of it? Where in this article can we find the part where you say the anointed, recrowned welterweight p4p king picked a lightweight for his comeback fight? Where in this article can we find that Manny Pacquiao is fighting and beating guys that are much bigger than him, most times? I'm just asking.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:41:36 AM
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Sweety:
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I didn't know that Ron Borges is a Floyd nutswinger?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:51:38 AM
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Anonymous user:
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Calling the attention of the Editor - Mr. Michael Woods:
Why do you even let a moron like Ron Borges write an article like this.
It significantly diminishes the credibility of this publication.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:23:22 AM
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Geoff:
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Mayweather fights small boxer's and does not accept a fight againts a boxer of his size, though he beats delahoya but only in a split decision, delahoya could have win that fight if only he could pull the trigger. your mayweather is great boxer because he choose to fight smaller guys. why not fight williams, mosley, margarito, pavlik or to prove hi is really that good why not fight hopkins, trinidad did and for me tito is a much greater boxer than mayweather, tito will knock mayweather out in just a few rounds.
As for pacquiao he is by nature small but he choose to fight big guys. and that shows he's courage unlike gayweather who choose to fight lightweights and bantamwieghts.
If that is your no.1 pound for pound then there is something wrong with the logic you are using.
I would even put mosley, hopkins and williams ahead of gayweather.
But of course all of this can change if he proves his worth by fighting this guys i mentioned. recently he was challenge by mosley and gayweather sang the chicken song. will he is really a chicken.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:26:50 AM
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Bill:
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One mans opinion!!! I guess he didnt consider Pac's dominance against 3 opponents bigger then him winning every single of the 19 rounds with 3KO's compared to PBF's 1 opponents who was smaller and 2 divisions lighter then him and only winning UD. I forgot PBF is American and Pac is from a 3rd World Country that must explain your bias. Pac does not deserve to step down to no man without a fight. You sir are the dumbest boxing analysis!!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:27:01 AM
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yahoo dislodged pacman to make floyd p4p king, but was it right? pacman fought hall of famers, conquered bigger opponents in a 14 month campaign SPANNING 4 WT CLASSES...and where was floyd that time? floyd had "retired", hiding in his hole, afraid to compete, while margo, mosely and cotto were around welter street corner!.. when it was safe to get out, he quickly choose marquez and let pacman face the "fearsome" cotto. it was a shrewd evasive flanking move by floyd, but an act of cowardice... AND YAHOO FIND THIS HONORABLE!!!
after making marquez huffing and puffing 2 wt div. up, floyd met him 2lb heavier than the stipulated contract wt and "bribed" marquez $600k so as not to protest and back out!!! AND YET YAHOO FIND HIS ACT RESPECTABLE!!!
with his reach, height and weight advantages, floyd can finish the fight in 2 rounds but HE COULDN'T. floyd really gobbled up all the necessarry advantages all to himself never giving marquez a fair chance...AND YAHOO FIND HIM FIT AS P4P KING. ha ha ha..what a joke.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:27:59 AM
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Victoria Court:
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Can Floyd beat MArquez at 135? I dont think so.............
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:29:30 AM
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Crazy:
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This guy is a Journalist or the dumbest Boxing Analyzer. Dont compare PBF vs JMM fight to PAC vs JMM. First its been 18 months since they last fought as a FEATHERWEIGHT. IDIOT FEATHERWEIGHT. JMM was almost 2 yrs younger & faster!! Even Marquez said he was not used to fighting Mayweathers size. You throw anyone who is alot slower then PAC right now you will get the same result too. He will be able to see the punches comin and counter with rapid 3 to 4 combinations!! Marquez was just to slow at Welterweight Pac was able to get faster , stronger, improve his right hand & improve his defense in the last 18 months since he fought Marquez. So dont compare their fights IDIOT. Pac had a better blueprint to beat Dela Hoya & Hatton as PBF had a better blueprint to beat Marquez and thats ALL. Styles makes fights!!!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:39:53 AM
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jonthan:
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r u all stupid?if manny pacquiao will change his stlye like may weather .the fight of manny and marquez will going to be borring.u try 2 analize it.for sure u r not stupid.may weather is not a boxer he is a model.gud luck
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:44:05 AM
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vincent:
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Wow, You really call yourself a boxing writer? Mayweather fought a smaller man and paid him off because he wanted more adavantage in weight. You call that cheater p4p? Give me a break. How could you be called p4p when you ducked all the guys in your weight class. Cotto, Mosley, Williams, Berto,Margaretto. P4P cheater is what Maywether is. He retired because he was scared to fight at his weight class and then comes back and beat a smaller guy and calls himself p4p.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:44:06 AM
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clark:
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manny a small great fighter fights bigger fighter while floyd whom you consider #1 fights smaller fighter
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:51:35 AM
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Khoy:
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C'mon Ron...this is such a non-sense article...no basis at all...you know nothing about boxing and you can't even analyze facts...why not convince your Floyd to fight Mosley, Clottey, Cotto or Pacquiao and watch it ringside to see if Floyd is the real deal which I doubt...or maybe you are afraid that if Floyd will face those four I mentioned he will have 4 loss is his career...Floyd is the biggest mistake in boxing...can't even accept a fight with a tougher opponents for safety reason i guess...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:51:56 AM
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haywire48:
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and were did you get that idea big MORON its a lousy fight no flash of brilliance and excitement as you can see on the people eyes in the arena they are there to support marquez just in case there is an upset in the making.... maybe he is number one liar about not having his final weigh in coz he is just to heavy for marquez and since its just only a 600 thousand fine even though he agreed for the catch weight of 144 ibs
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:52:23 AM
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Kickbox 07:
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I CLEARLY do not understand with the Author's logic all together... These so called "boxing experts" seemed to blinded by the FACT that Mayweather DID NOT HAVE any chance at all agianst mayweather. Not because Marquez is not a good a boxer but because Mayweather has ALL the advantages in the world...Moving up in weight, Marquez is not able to carry with him his speed, his punching power, his agility. He is not just the same fighter pacquiao fought at 130lb division.. How the hell could one compare Mayweather's performance against an UNDERSIZED and a smaller Marquez against the same person (mighter than that Mayweather face) whom pacquiao fought twice?? Without bringing into equation the other two common denominator in Dela Hoya and Hatton. Compare not just one, but them all and RATIONALIZE the way an expert should... To me, the writer seems one sided and completely unknowledgeable. Not pachugging though just the TRUTH man, let it out!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:56:48 AM
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Rain:
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LOL, you mayweather fans (including the writer) always point out that pacquiao had a hard time beating marquez but mayweather did so easily as the reason for installing him P4P best, but intentionally ignore the fact that while mayweather had a hard time beating dela hoya, pacquiao destroyed him easily, and that while mayweather beat hatton, pacquiao did so more emphatically. That's two reasons to one. Plus the fact that mayweather cheated to get the win? Come on, get real! Until mayweather beats pacquiao packy is P4P best.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:57:49 AM
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techboi:
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i agree with Bill this writer had the dumbest boxing analysis ever!! Kissing FMJ's ass !
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:04:54 AM
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vincent:
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Hey Ron, I bet you Mayweather would be scared to fight his own shadow. They are the same size and cant pay him off $600,000 to gain advantage. Write that......
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:17:11 AM
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Hayz:
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Stupid article from stupid writer
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:17:11 AM
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david:
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It looks like your piece trumpeting the running-man/weight cheating Floyd is a fantasy circling in your own mind. But then again, this is your personal view which differs from most respected boxing writers who writes in an objective journalistic fashion and still consider Pacman as #1. Floyd's not even # 2 on most respected writers' list and "fighter" shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence containing Floyd's name. Anyways, just continue to .....DREAM ON and live a scenario of your own choosing where Floyd is king of the world and your the ever loyal servant
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:20:05 AM
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Anonymous user:
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you are forgetting what pacquiao did to dela hoya and hatton..
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:34:53 AM
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Vincent:
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What kind of stuff this writer is smoking? Pacquiao is the number 1 pound for pound. 6 different weight division champion. He knocked out Oscar de la hoya in 8. Mayweather won by split descision. He knocked out Hatton in two. Hatton was ahead with Mayweather in the first 6 rounds. This writer is haluscinating! Just wanting to get some attention.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:39:45 AM
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phil:
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Floyd Jr. beat the smaller guy in JMM, while Pacquiao beat the bigger man in ODLH and Hatton by KO. Pacquiao deserves to be #1 P4P in the world.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:40:06 AM
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vegasxxx:
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Pacquiao is the best fighter and Mayweather the better boxer. People want to see fights, not boxing. That's why Manny is so much more popular and loved by the fans. Pacquiao is not Marquez. Manny will Knock him out at 140lbs. Floyd can't.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:41:09 AM
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danny:
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borges, you can fight li'l floyd and prove your undying love for him in the ring.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:43:50 AM
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Anonymous user:
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You're article sucks BIG time, but u sure got the boxing purists attention. although you acted dumb picking mayweather as p4p king, you knew it would get people raged up...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:50:12 AM
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Ben Chan:
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After you read this article, consider:
"Comments from Boston Globe Writers: Bob Ryan, Don Skwar and Dan Shaughnessy.
Other Globe columnists on Borges
“Borges doesn’t care, I think he fires away and doesn’t think about the fans or anyone else. I think he fires away with honesty and candor with no other objective but to tell people what he really thinks. And if people don’t like it, **** 'em.” -Bob Ryan
“He’s always expressed his opinions, Bluntly.” -former Globe sports editor Don Skwar.
“We should have one of those Globe polls—‘Who do you hate more?’ I’ve challenged Borges to see who could get out the vote. It would be close. And it would be a lot more interesting than who’s going to win the MVP.” -Dan Shaughnessy"
Now we know.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:52:54 AM
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gopi-1:
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What happened to you Ron? You used to be a sensible boxing writer? You're basing your take on 2 of Marquez' fights against Pacquiao at his best fighting weight (126 & 130) while he was still in his prime? There are weight divisions for a reason and you must have forgotten that. What about their (Pacman & Floyd) 2 other common opponents Ricky and Oscar? You just decided to throw it out of the window to suit your taste?
Marquez grew old and slow faster by trying to gain weight which his body couldn't take without compromising his speed and timing. The added muscles Marquez gained slowed him down considerably and threw off his timing, plus add to the fact that Floyd was a 4 to1 favorite with all the advantages on his side, which make this fight a given if you're on a boxing suicide pick...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:07:02 AM
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andrew:
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to the editors of this website. i hope you know what you are doing. hiring an animal writer is not a good business
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:16:39 AM
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jca:
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Sometimes I wonder how in the world could one like you become a boxing writer with such an embarrasing article and a flawed logic on the issue of Floyd and Manny. Common ! A bigger man beating a smaller man vs a smaller man beating bigger men with dignity. This is not rocket science nor does this take a phd to figure out. Manny's climb up is monumental than anything Floyd has ever done!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:21:38 AM
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sinnerman:
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Ron Borges, you are a moron. No need repeating what the others have said. Moron.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:24:39 AM
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dongitzclem:
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obviously, this writer is ZERO IQ, analysis & logic wise. you ask me for a reason, read at your commenter's analysis a hundred times & you will learn to be a good, great sports analyst. these commenters are way way much better than you are. a good writer must learn to weigh things up before posting a nonsense write up. just wondrin if this writer is a twin brother of big floyd sr.
PEACE!!!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:28:40 AM
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KUPAL:
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..i agree its a non sense analysis, he should be better playing poker or tarrot card that seems would be great for him....ok monkey floyd beat marquez in all category including cheating the weight just to ensure his quest to defeat and justify his drama . ,anyway mr.ron borges forget that during the fight between pac and jmm ..jmm knock JMM by pac 3 times in the first round hehe ..hw about lil floyd ,he has all the advantages but he only knock jmm once...maybe lil floyd can fight CRIS JOHN BWAHAHA just to ensure winning ,nor juan diaz,katsidis so much lil guys out there ..lil gay floyd can figh them all....besides he is a great fighter i agree for that but telling he is the number one p4p at this time bwahaha,jmm is only 2nd place p4p so he just took the spot were jmm holds before the fight..cmon mr tarrot card write ron borges..Godbless....keep on writing a non sense analysis coming from the belly not from the head of a real writer.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:57:26 AM
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rasec:
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where have you been, ron? manny still holds the p4p #1 in the latest rankings of 'the ring' which is proclaimed as the bible of boxing. besides, most of the respected analysts also still placed pacquiao on top. just listen to their logic (as well as a few practical comments above) and you'll do better as a writer. just be objective and maybe you'll gain some credibility.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:00:55 AM
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LOLO:
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hey, who are you(Ron Borges)????another boxing expert wanna be?? have you seen the size of mayweather and marquez?? your envyness will destroy your career.hahaha.. your the only one who believes mayweather is number 1..you might be mayweather senior..hahhahaha..take a break and go to sleep.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:04:51 AM
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Gerry:
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Bill is right. Consider the facts that JMM and Pacman fought almost on the same natural weight and Pacman KO'd him 3 times. PBF cheated on his weight and came in much heavier than the stipulated weight and KO'd a bloated JMM once. Now who is greater? If you don't have common sense you'll side with the latter. But then again, consider the other two fights that Pacman and PBF have in common. Who ended the fight in a more spectacular fashion? Who's the underdog? Your reasoning Mr. Author is crooked to the max. Shake-up your brain, see through colors.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:05:14 AM
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chod:
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Ron Borges, great analysis! I bet you forgot to drink your medicine...again.... Take your medicine as prescribe by your doctor you will have a normal mind...take a hike!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:09:43 AM
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Marlon:
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Sorry man, you',re just a huge Mayweather fan. Of course Pretty boy can beat Marquez easily, the size remember? and the style. Both are counterpuncher. But my point really, mayweather is half-a-man the pacman is. Moneymay has'nt really fought fighter's of the quality the pacman fought. Mayweather is coward, always going for the mismatch...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:12:37 AM
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Mil:
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This writer's stupid. Paquiao has faced and triumphed against opponents that are many favored over him, fighters who are LEGENDS when Paquiao wasn't still. While Mayweather cherry picked opponents that are not favored to win over him and This stupid writer thinks Mayweather is the real P4P? STUPID assesment by a STUPID writer.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:13:13 AM
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Givens:
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Well, Ron Borges was overly impressed with Mayweather coming back after 21 months from "retirement" and beating a great but older, slower fighter who went up two weight divisions.
However, it pales in comparisson to what Sugar Ray Leonard did in the past. After almost 3 years of inactivity, he went back to fight and beat the bigger undisputed middleweight champion--Hagler.
The thing is , Mayweather handpicked a tune-up return fight and is being credited too much for the win.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:14:12 AM
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leo :
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mayweather is the no.1 pound for pound cheater..!!!
why mayweather do not lose 2 pounds in their weigh in???
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:19:36 AM
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Richter Tan:
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The argument that PBF reclaimed the #1 P4P ranking because he easily beat JMM which Pacman was life and death with in their two fights is simply RIDICULOUS! It may be true, but if you're gonna base the p4p ranking simply by comparing their performance on their common opponent MARQUEZ, then let's be fair, lets include HATTON and DELA HOYA, because they both face these two boxers. When PBF faced DLH he only won via SPLIT DECISION, and with HATTON he won via a late round TKO, whereas PACQUIAO DESTROYED BOTH HATTON AND DELA HOYA, PACMAN'S performance was WAY BETTER compared to PBF's when both of them defeated these two boxers. Now don't say that DLH was weight drained when he faced Pacquiao, because the same can be said with PBF, FLOYD weighed 2 POUNDS overweight during the weigh-in, PLUS HE REFUSED TO BE WEIGHED AGAIN ON THE NIGHT OF THE FIGHT USING THE HBO WEIGHING SCALE TO CHECK HOW MUCH HE'S GAINED FROM THE WEIGH IN UP UNTIL THE FIGHT NIGHT. It was said that PBF over-weighed Marquez for AT LEAST 20 POUNDS on fight night, and that's the reason PBF refused to be weighed by HBO again. NOW THAT'S A SCAM AND PBF GOT AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE WRITERS LIKE YOU ARE EASILY CONNED BY THIS FRAUD BOXER.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:24:01 AM
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amabo hsub:
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hey before you write about boxing ,you better to do homework and reasearch 1st before you compare the two boxer... after 21 months lay off and win in a comeback fight with smaller opponent then you conclude to be no.1,did you know what you are writing?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:24:23 AM
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djbianca:
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bad article...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:27:48 AM
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tukelle:
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you are the dumbest among the dumb writer!!! you dont know about boxing!!! better eat your pooh pohh and drink your pee!! your way of writing is very elementary!!!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:29:57 AM
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kusko:
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the writer is dumb. period. and so are u.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:30:19 AM
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SourScience:
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I pity this writer coz he is obviously a poor writer basing on his POUND4POUND POOREST analytical mind. I do not want to write why simply coz I do not want to waste my time explaining it to him.
Those who have written here I believe have said enough against this writer Ron.
I'm also so sorry for the "The Sweet Science" group coz they have this kind of a writer in their midst.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:32:24 AM
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Mars:
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This writer, I repeat Ron Borges so smart boxing fans don't forget his name, you're a JOKE. My posters here already said what I'm going to post here. If you're a good boxing analyst, you should spend more time reading the comments posted on your bias article that makes no sense.
Hope you fully understood what they meant. If not, quit writing.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:36:03 AM
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jjko:
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yeah..pbf... no1 in ur dreams...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:37:07 AM
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zdrx:
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yahoo dislodged pacman and made floyd p4p king but was it right? pacman conquered hall of famers, beating opponents bigger than him in a 14 month campaign spanning 4 wt classes. and where was floyd during those time? he "retired" into his hole, afraid to compete while margo mosely and cotto were around welter street...YAHOO FOUND FLOYD SO RESPECTABLE!!!
when it was safe to get out, he quickly choose marquez so that pacman has to face cotto. it was a shrewd evasive and flanking move, but an act of a coward. the worst part was, after making marquez huffing and puffing to climb 2 wt div up, floyd met him 2lb heavier than the stipulated contract weigth and bribed him $600k to hush. YET YAHOO FIND IT HONORABLE!!!
floyd gobbled up all the advantages all for himself, giving marquez no fair chance. with height, reach and weight advantages, he could have flattened marquez in 2 rds but could not!!! AND YAHOO FIND HIM FIT TO BE P4P KING!!! ha ha ha what a joke
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:37:40 AM
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gerry:
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ron borges - do u know what u r talking about? Am sure you a a paid PR man of mayweather, Pomnd for pound is for those who fight toe to toe, regardless of weight. Your man is a boxer , but more of a runner. Run, run, run. Go for Usama Bolt.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:43:14 AM
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jayamores:
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I am not empress with floyd mayweather, for a simple reason, he is fighting a smaller guy. you are the boxing analyst who has no analysis.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:50:20 AM
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JustMe:
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He will not be called Borges if his mind is not like a burger patty. You are an embarrassment for boxing analysts.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:52:13 AM
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bojexx:
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this is a stupid writer!
very very stupid.
why manny need to prove
himself and fight mayweather?
its not about you win the fight here
its about how you win it.
everyone knowa how mayweather fight
and thats it! stupid. just dont use your brain
all the time use your heart aswell, it doesnt mean that your emotional but being balance!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:59:14 AM
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Lon:
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This writer is a mayweather big fan... imbalance views and opinions. floyd is destined to be cracked by pacman... it's written in the history of boxing.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:01:46 AM
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metong:
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is this writer stupid... tell me, when did pacquiao ever say he is the king of boxing, a christian like manny knows better than to brag about what was merely givento him by god. I have never even heard of pacquiao sayong he is the best p4p fighter. Dont write anything that you cant substantiate, just shows your level of education... what an idiot.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:09:42 AM
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levsky:
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The writer is completely biased and a blind Mayweather Fanatic! Just like all the so called boxing experts of Yahoo sports. Shame on you for being so badly biased!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:10:16 AM
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boyskie:
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this writer is an idiot cuz he doesn't know how to compare fighters! When marquez fought pacman they were both on their natural weight, when marquez fought mayweather he was moving up in weight, big advantage for mayweather who was on his natural weight! Idiot, no logic at all!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:19:43 AM
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mvp:
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The writer is a Mayweather fan. What will be his excuses if Pacman will 'humiliate' bad mouth Lil Floyd in the ring? Wake up, man. Take note, Floyd was not impressive in his win on Marquez and worst he was "bigger" than JMM during and after official weigh in.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:23:48 AM
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wade:
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if you put it that way, MP toyed with Oscar whereas PBF got a split. MP toyed with Hatton while PBF went late rounds..
and did you see marquez's face? it was untouched with PBF.. white it was bloody with MP in both fights..
he only got that one punch and that was it.. everyone will win if you throw fast jabs with no power then ran away to win the rounds.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:26:37 AM
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YoureJokingRight:
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The writer uses one common opponent to claim the superiority of PBF over MP...conveniently leaving out the other two common opponents both of whom (just by sheer coincidence) MP absolutely destroyed and PBF had a more difficult time with. Yes, let's not get facts in the way of proclaiming PBF the best fighter in the world today. All hail the king!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:41:39 AM
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iknow:
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stupid article!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:45:00 AM
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Anonymous user:
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Ron Borges, how much did the Mayweathers paid you? You're rediculously funny
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:51:17 AM
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David Marcos:
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What an idiotic/moron/imbecile, stupid analisys ron i hope you are not
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:59:54 AM
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dionisia:
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stupid writer. Don't write again.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:04:24 AM
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kikrobur:
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WTF! are you nuts? do you even care to analyze fights of the two fighter before putting the other atop the p4p list? cmon.....your just testing the water here....if somebody will comment with your damn article and i give it to you you have succeeded in keeping readers here blast you coz we read your damn article...happy now? you dont even fit to be a boxing writer coz you dont do your homework before posting up article....damn editors! which is best....? a small man beating bigger guys or a big guy beating smaller ones and cheats on the process? PBF nutswinger!....damn stupid article with its author....tsk..tsk..
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:08:54 AM
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#1 PacFan 12-2-1 in "09:
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This is bullcrap! 99.9% of the boxing community knew that Mayweather-Marquez was a mismatch! How can he get that much credit for it! Why use the Pacquiao-Marquez 1,2 as the sole reason to put this fraud in his place. Pacquiao and Marquez were both fighting at their comfortable weight except for Pac in the second fight. While Marquez was bloated all the way up to Welterweight to fight this fraud. Use common sense people, he gave up his spot when he retired now he must fight for it. Fight the #1 P4P best fighter in the world Manny Pacquiao and you shall claim back your spot!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:14:18 AM
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#1 PacFan 12-2-1 in "09:
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If you win! I knew this was going to happen. He chose Marquez as the opponent so the blinded gives him that much credit for it. Here's my P4P list: 1: Pacquiao 2: Mayweather 3: Hopkins 4: Mosley 5: Cotto
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:27:12 AM
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Jersey Joe:
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You're basing your logic on one common foe between MP and PBF ??? Just Marquez? What about the other two ---- De la Hoya and Hatton? PBF had a split with Oscar whereas Pacquiao made him quit in 8! It took Mayweather 10 rounds to finish off Hatton while it only took Pacquiao 2. You and the other Writers can hail PBF all you want but the fans know the truth.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:30:35 AM
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joemar:
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With this kind of nonsense article, the writer doesn't have the credibility to let boxing fans know the best boxer today.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:31:33 AM
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alex576ph:
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At present Ring Magazine is the most respected award giving body to rate a fighter as the number 1 Pound for Pound fighter, not you. Whoever Ring Magazine rates as the Pound for Pound King should be respected. If you have your own ratings, better keep it to yourself.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:36:14 AM
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tang-a:
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pound for pound? no one yet has done what pacquiao did in boxing. flyweight champion turning to be a welterweight champion. that is what defines pound for pound.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:46:08 AM
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Larry Lachica, Jeddah KSA:
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hahahahahaha! Would you all believe? i stopped reading the comments just before halfway coz they all said the same....
Ron Borges...... you're a copy cat of Floyd "Thrasher" Sr. and Jr.
NO FURTHER COMMENTS!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:48:12 AM
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FMS:
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Money May lossed the title for retiring, Manny Pac earned it deservedly because he stayed in the sport. He earned it also by his amazing and consecutive performances in a short period of time, a legendary accomplishments. Money May was dethroned, to get back the throne there are only two ways: one to defeat the current king by fighting him, two if the current king Manny Pac losses from Cotto. Now the current crowned king is Manny the Pacman. No question about it period.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:20:21 AM
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wow...mayweather beat a lightweight and his sucker fans are all up in hands praising him as number 1. he hasn't even fought any top guy in his division. NONE...then they're reason is that he destroyed the guy who out Pac in life or death situation? Then all of a sudden they forgot that Pac destroyed THE BIGGER Oscar who had a split decision loss against mayweather...he DESTROYED the BIGGER hatton much faster than when floyd fought hatton, who is SMALLER than floyd. nut huggers are so dumb
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:23:33 AM
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judge0328:
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The logic of the writer is flawed so much that obviously he is blindly beholden to a fighter who believes he beat a great fighter fairly. To fight someone from 2 weight divisions downs and a few years past his prime seems illogical to be a basis for p4p ranking. How about trying to fight a great fighter 2 divisions up. What would you have to say? An excuse if he loses???
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:24:08 AM
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this article was based on mayweathers last fight against jmm. No one wanted to see this fight and it should have not happen. everyone knew it was a big mismatch. Floyd winning this fight proved that he only fights smaller opponent and he's weak to even knock them out.. Floyd being number 1 p4p fighter?? your joking right??
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:28:57 AM
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judge0328:
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For Pacquiao to prove that he is truly the #1 p4p fighter, he does not have to prove it by fighting Mayweather. It is the otherway around. Mayweather needs to fight and defeat Pacquiao before he can rightfully claim that he is #1. Unless that happens, no one can morally claim that Mayweather if the #1 p4p fighter. Give credit where credit is due and surely Mayweather does not deserve it at all.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:30:38 AM
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CHIN MUSIC:
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This is the DUMBEST article I've ever read.. Who hired this guy as writer? Come on dude, get off Floyds nuts!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:30:59 AM
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galengco:
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this is pure envelopemental journalism. how much ron?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:39:55 AM
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edgar de dios III:
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Hey! Ron, wake up! Are you still dream'n?! C'mon man!!! I mean, where's you're logic?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:43:54 AM
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deejay:
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I just can't believe the argument? What else can Pacquiao do to prove his worth? Your argument of FM to be the #1 P4P is how they fought against MM? Then how about the fight of Pacquiao against ODLH and R. Hatton? Of how MP destroyed ODLH and manhandled RH (who was undefeated in 140lb)? FM struggled against ODLH and Hatton, right?
Back to MM... You people keeps on insisting that he won the second fight and do you really think that he deserves the draw on the first one? Come-on, be realistic! On both fights, MP KNOCKED him down but no body damn cared about it!! All you people so-called experts are blind!
The fact is... MANNY PACQUIAO started at 106lb and climed his way without any of the so-called boxing experts believing in him!! How can people can't see the brilliance and the hard work that MP showcassing just in front of our very own eyes! How people can't see how MP fought the future hall of famers and dominated them! MP keeps on moving up in divisions while others stayed or going down?
If that's not enough for MANNY PACQUIAO to be the #1 P4P king, then keep them because as far as I know MP is the BEST amongst the rests and one of a kind person inside the ring and even more outside the ring!!
I rest my case!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:54:17 AM
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kimz0ne:
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this writer is an idiot... dull... no brain at all.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:13:54 AM
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#1 PacFan 12-2-1 in "09:
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Ron, I like most of your articles but this one takes away of all that hard work you've done. This is pure Mayweather nuthugging on your part. Someone outa counter this article. This is the most bitter article you've written.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:19:07 AM
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Barrack"O:
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Silly article!!!
This writer mentions about Mayweather handling Marquez with ease. True. But this writer is looking at things one way. On the Pacquiao/Marquez 1st encounter, how many times Pacquaio sent Marquez to the canvass? How many rounds did it take him to do that? Who is much bigger, Pacquiao or Mayweather? Why don't this writer also mention how Mayweather handled de la Hoya and Ricky Hatton and mention also as against how Pacquiao handled these two fighters? Who is the blown up welterweight on these matches? Now, if the reasoning is to be based on the young coconut shell that is afraid to mature due to the age of this uneducated uninformed writer, putting PBF immediately on top, why does this writer does not have the nerve to put V. Klitchsco instead? Yeah, PBF/ Marquez made 1 million PPV. Shouldn't Marquez deserve the credit for having the Mexicans subscribing to this fight because they wanted to watch their own compatriot for a chance of history on the making? Was the arena sold out? Does this writer ever wondered how much the Pacquiao/Cotto would rake in?
What distinguishing honors has Mayweather earned in the Sports body organizations, top magazine circulations, other awards. Had this writer ever had the intellect to compare them to that of what Pacquiao had been accorded with? Had Pacquiao claimed on his own any of these or was he named as such because he rightly deserve so? Who had the guts to take the acid test in facing iconic bigger opponents? Whos is afraid to fight the top fighters in his own division? Who is picking up smaller opponents? Who is scaling up the weight to take risks facing much bigger opponents? Who is the most exciting fighter? Who is the most devastating fighter? Who is the brave one? Who is the one that takes meaningful real challenges to prove something if he can?
This writer thinks only one way, very weak IQ, a cellar dweller among boxing writers. You flock with the Mayweathers, you have the same mouth, the same feather as with the Mayweathers.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:41:23 AM
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simply:
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comtmon ron ..reply to all those comments here...i didnt know that there is a comedy column in sweet science.i am entertained hahaha!1
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:43:42 AM
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george pottot:
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i duno if this writer knows boxing ? simple calculation pacman a smaller man who let dela hoya quit his stool while with pbf was a split decision., again pacman a smaller man sent hitman in 2nd for good while pbf in 10th...pbf the bigger man a natural welterweight beat juan ma a smaller man who is natural lightweight ....and now yah telling us that moneymay is the no. 1 lb.4lb.?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:51:29 AM
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pacman:
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obviously, this article sided only one boxer that is mayweather...which is bad for manny because he earned that title so hard and he fought and beat these great fighters in just one year preparation......no one can do that except for manny. He is number 1.....
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:57:13 AM
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boxing101:
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oh well, everybody has got their own opinion, and the topic has been dragging for some time now. But come to think of it, actually it is nice to be talking about it (whos no.1, pacman or mayweather) since it helps in making the dream fight a reality.
But the fact of the matter remains, Pacquiao IS still no.1, Mayweather is no. 2 by the MAJORITY VOTE - it may not be unanimous, it may be controversial or debatable, but it IS still the decision. That is round 1.
Now, lets give Mayweather a chance. Let him prove himself by beating Pacman. Then the world will truly understand.
Gentlemen, (and ladies if anyone's reading it), I rest my case.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:03:36 PM
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JessRamos:
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Klitsko did a better job in his last fight than Mayweather. Mayweather should fight Klitsko to prove he is P4P king not just beating a small boy and claim to be the best and P$P king.
I myself can beat all the kids in grade 6 in my school but can't claim to be the king until I beat all the guys in grade 9. I am just great in beating the boys, just like Floyd.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:20:25 PM
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maze:
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Mr. Ron just want to assert a liar and a cheater on the top of pound for pound list which we couldn't even assess in our thoughts where it came from? If you're talking about the fight which Floyd jr.fought, then you dont have a concrete base to start with mr. A bloated and slow Marquez has really nothing to do on the diivision which Mayweather is even more comfortable with. If you're basing your assessment on the fights these two have fought, Pacquiao will win the debate. Just watch the fights again mr. Ron, maybe you missed something there or you're just playing blind.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:24:41 PM
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the pacquiao and marques fight is hell of a kind,they give each other a good fight.that is why we want to see a 3rd fight for that two warrior. pacquiao fought marques in his prime and in his natural weight. mayweather fought marques in welterweight division that we all know he has all the advantage of this old, slow marques. this article seem to be a bias and the writer don"t really know what a boxing really mean.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:31:52 PM
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Lawrence:
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Floyd Mayweather will never be the best, The best is someone who fough the best and beat the best, Pacman only fight the best, Cotto is next on hes list, I have a feeling if Pacman wins, Floyd will not fight him cause Pacman has a great chance to beat him...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 01:48:42 PM
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p. wessam:
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with boxing writers like this the p4p title is losing its luster. gone were the days when only those who defied the odds by surmounting stiffer challenges (in heavier weights) win the coverted mythical title. with this writer's (and many others) line of thinking, all a top boxer needs to do in this era is avoid the true challenges, reach out way below his weight (no, you don't even have to leave your current weight unlike before), even come in overweight to further maximize advantage and appear flashy on fight date beating your midget opponent to a pulp (which is no mean feat given all the advantages). how can these so-called writers who at one time criticized someone going up in weight to fight a bigger guy (catchweight or not) reward a coward with the p4p title.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 01:49:59 PM
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Ron Borges do you work for Money May.... of GBP? This site is'n't sweet at all if it's referring to your opinion here .. It is a one sided opinion just to discredit Pacman without stating how he fare with the quality of opposition/disadvantages he has in fighting these boxers out of his comfort zone.. as well as how dismantled DD,ODLH & Hatton.. you might consider at least first 10 comments/information here for your next article.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 01:54:46 PM
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john D:
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so pacquiao fights marquez at 126 when marquez was 30 years old & 130 when marquez was 34 years old....
yet floyd who is a 32 year old undefeated welterweight former junior middleweight champion, gets more credit & becomes 1# p4p because he beat a 36 YEAR OLD CAREER FEATHERWEIGHT WITH 55 PLUS FIGHTS AT WELTERWEIGHT?
Are we living in bizarro world?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:07:26 PM
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dwinnax:
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If Pacquiao can defeat Cotto, which is not a given because of the size difference even though there’s an uneasy feeling here when one watches Cotto that he is a shadow of what he was before Antonio Margarito began to hit him with brick bats, this matter could all be settled in the only place where it really can be – inside four ropes
so....why you idea about this for cotto-pacquiao fight? because of sized dif? did mayweather-marquez is more worst than this in terms of size disparity? think think think...how much gayweather pay you just to make a f*ck like this shit????
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:17:16 PM
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For all you looking forward to the Pac Man vs Mayweather fight you best not look past Cotto for either opponent. I don't believe Pacman will come after Cotto Like Freddie is saying, if he does "Big Mistake" Cotto will catch Pac coming in and "good night" Pac Man has not felt this type of power he will be folded by Cotto. Maywheather is running his mouth just like uncle Roger did in the 80's until Julio Cesar Chavez SR stepped out and beat him silly. My prediction is PAC Man will be downed by the true walter weight and May will be trying to look for ways to not fight a real champion like Cotto because he does not have a absolute advantage in age or size. May's whole family deep down can see a repeat of Roger and Julio in the future and will look for the deture route. After all Cotto and Chavez are similar in many ways.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:24:56 PM
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as far as P4P,.. that's up for grabs,... but at least on paper,.. Floyd showed that he'd have to be listed as the favorite against Pacman,...based on how easily he handled Marquez,... Pacman hasn't grown one single inch since moving up to bigger weight classes,.. neither has his reach increased,.. so it's very logical to assume that Pac would be at an distinct disadvantage,.. especially since most people view Marquez as winning both fights against Pac,... good call from a savvy writer...Duran went from lightweight to beyond middleweight,.. even giving Hagler a good fight,.. so I think Pac can still be effective moving up,.. it's just not likely he'll beat Mayweather,.. and if Cotto can summon up any of his old magic,.. he'll face a desperate challenge there as well..
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:28:03 PM
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Matthew:
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Pound-for-pound ratings are always tricky, and are usually an exercise in fantasy. There are so many variables to consider; what is it really based on? Unfortunately, unlike figuring out a QB rating in football, there is no formula. Mayweather was the best fighter in the world before his retirement. Pacquiao ascended to the top spot in his absence. I don't think Pacquiao should be bumped based on Mayweather's performance against Marquez, or based on his own fights with Marquez in comparison to Mayweather's. For the record, I had Pacquiao winning by a point in each fight (Marquez lost his right to complain by getting knocked down four times in the two bouts). All we can really glean from Mayweather's win over Marquez is that he did what he was supposed to do (except score a KO) in a fight where he held every conceivable advantage. I would still rank Pacquiao number 1 pound-for-pound, but Mayweather is the better and more skilled all-around fighter. Should they meet in the ring, Mayweather wins a comfortable decision.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:31:26 PM
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HAHAHA WHAT A LOGIC THIS WRITER HAS!!!
JUST BECAUSE HE STRUGGLED AGAINST jmm AND FLOYD DIDNT.. HMMMM LETS SEE THE FACT HERE...
FLOYD GOT A SPLIT AGAINST OSCAR.. SOME SAY OSCAR DID ENOUGH..
HATTON.. DID GOT SOME ROUNDS AGAINST FLOYD WHILE
FLOYD WAS ON HIS TOES ALL NIGHT
JMM.. HE WAS A SUPER OVERBLOWN WELTER. AGAINST A PLUS 2LBS FIGHTER
PAC.. STRUGLES AGAINST JMM IN A FAIR MATCH.. NO ADVANTAGES
OSCAR.. TOYED HIM UNTIL HE QUIT
RICKY WAS BLOWN OUT LIKE A JELLYFISH..
PAC FOUGHT FIGHTERS HE SHOULDNT FIGHT.. FOR PETE'S SAKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LIGHTWEIGHT BY NOW.. HE FOUGHT BIGGER GUYS.. WHILE FLOYD FOUGHT A SMALLER GUYS.. AND PAC JUST BLEW US ALL BY THE MANNER HE DESTROYED BIGGER FOES HE SHOULDNT FIGHT..
A WIIIIDE DIFFERENCE MR.WRITER.. HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT FLOYD AS #1... IF FLOYD WANTS IT.. TAKE IT FROM PACKY BY FIGHTING HIM... OR ATLEAST BEAT MOSLEY CONVINCINGLY
THOSE ARE FACTS YOU DONT DISPUTE.. WE CAN MAKE EXCUSES ALL NIGHT BUT IF TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WON AGAINST COMMON OPPONENTS.. PAC IS A CLEAR CUT HERE..
MANNY PACQUIAO IS A FIGHTER BEING RECOGNIZE IN THE WORLD AS THE BEST.. BECAUSE HE FOUGHT NOT JUST GREAT OPPONENTS BUT WAAAY BIGGER THAN HIM AND THE MANNER HE WINS IT.. HE WAS DOING THIS FOR HOW MANY YEARS ALREADY THATS WHY EVEN WHEN FLOYD WAS THE TOP.. THERE WERE ALREADY CREDIBLE WRITERS WHO PUTS HIM AT THE TOP ex. DOUG FISHER, STEVE KIM, LARRY MERCHANT,ETC.. JUST SHOWS YOU HE DIDNT INHERIT IT...
HE EARNED IT!!! THIS IS WHY IM REALLY DISAPPOINTED HOW WRITERS TODAY CAN JUST JUMP SO EASILY WITH ONE FIGHT... IF EVER PAC BEATS COTTO CONVINGCINGLY.. I'LL BET MY HOUSE ALL THIS AMATEURISH WRITER WILL ONCE AGAIN IN PACS BANDWAGON..
AS THEY SAY.. YOUL ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST FIGHT...
you know why???? its because those fans writers really dont know what they are talking about.. caught by the hype...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:42:54 PM
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MAYWEATHER IS THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD. PERIOD.
Once he takes Manny out, it will be clear to all...but right now there are a lot of people who have been blinded by Manny's KO's over the over the hill gang (De la Hoya and Hatton).
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:51:16 PM
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bryanzki:
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what an ignorant writer.. Pacquiao just had an Henry Armstrongesque kind of a run! That's insane!! 4 victories in different divisions in his last 4 fights with 3 world championship belts and 2 lineal championships! What had Mayweathear achieved?? Beating a lightweight champion whose a blown up super featherweight???
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 02:54:35 PM
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Pac-Man and Cotto fighting for number 2? You say that so matter-of-factly. In my book, Pac-Man still is number 1. I'll consider him such until he looks like a lesser fighter than Mayweather. I don't care that Mayweather beat Marquez more convincingly than Pac-Man. Wasn't it Pac-Man who defeated Hatton and De La Hoya more convincingly than Mayweather? Pac-Man has given us no reason to reduce him to number 2. At least he's been beating naturally bigger fighters. Mayweather continues to fight guys smaller than him.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 03:06:45 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite getting ready 2 fly home 2 help da storm victims:
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Wow! Hum! Geeeezzzz! OMG! I cannot believe that I SEE Pinoys slinging insults! There goes the end of another stupid stereotype that WE Filipino are passively weak in speaking out, vulnerable in behavior and gullible in standing for a belief! We are MOST HUMBLE! And that is where we draw the line. Any way! Mga kababayan sa akin, hindi bale ang kuro-kuro ng manunulat na Kano. Anong ba expecto sa inyo? Pakikisama na sila, syempre! Pero mananalo ang mga Pilipino. For now I will go back to English. Some of these Kanos are paranoid and see monsters picking on them. Come on, my Pinoys and Pinays! You should expect this and then the propaganda. Everybody always think that they can beat the Filipino before the match, the combat, the war, the whatever the event is. Mayweather is a coward at a catchweight, because he always look for the advantage, and it is smart of him to do so. Unless Manny accept meeting him at the whole limit of welterweight, this bout will never be. Manny is going to knock out a very good Cotto. But he still will not get respect. The kanos will say that Cotto was damage goods as a fighter. But my people, don't call the superfightwriter Ron B epithets? That is the way of weak people. Remember ang Pilipino ay magaling, matibay, matapang at malakas. All the United States boxers, who won medals in the Olympic Games, and fought a top-notch Pinoy in professional boxing was knocked out. Mayweather doesn't want to follow that fate. Or that of the Buffalo Soldiers. We kicked their butts so bad during the American-Philippines Wars, that the U.S Presidents ordered them back to the States. Some of the soldiers defected and bowed to us. Mayweather, in the end, will bow. Every know that I called his father a dingbat Buffalo Soldier of the 21st Century. Son, Lil' Floyd, will lose money and pride if he doesn't fight Manny at the catchweight, and it he does, he will lose the bout, and he knows this. He may just lose the bout, if he's willing to tangle with Manny at any weight. A drained Manny fought a primed Marquez. Mayweather fought an old, slower, peepee drinking Marquez. And could only knock him down once. And rock him zero times, and stay out of reach so that he couldn't get hit. Manny will hit, and hit, and hit Mayweather. And he able to catch him to hit him. Holla!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 03:21:41 PM
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even mayweather beats pacquiao i can't say that money is the p4p king. money must beat williams & pavlik first before he become #1 p4p, like what pacman did to dele joya and me
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 03:26:43 PM
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Frank Z:
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lemme squash this mayweather only picks on smaller guys myth once and for all. JMM was the first guy mayweather fought who was actually smaller than him. everyone else was either larger at the time or about the same. you can make an argument that sharmba mitchell was smaller but not by much (he actually started his career heavier than floyd), and ricky hatton people were calling for floyd to fight him when they were both at 140. so floyd fought him at 147, as if that's actually an advantage for floyd, with ricky having to spend less effort draining weight from his fatton alter ego. so when it comes down to it, the only guy floyd's fought who's actually smaller is JMM, and most of us figured it to be a tune up all along, with marquez given a slight chance because of experience skill and toughness. now if floyd fights pac he stands to gain from beating him especialy if it's a sound win, but then people will say pac was too small for him, so theh fight i'd actually like to see is floyd vs. shane. that's the one fight where i wouldn't favor floyd to win, it'd be able 50-50 to a slight shane favorite.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 03:29:23 PM
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Jim:
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Mayweather fights smaller guys (Hatton and Marquez) while Pacquiao fights bigger fighers, even 2 weight classes from his natural weight. You can give the p4p title to boring Floyd, but we all know what excitement and intensity Pacquiao can bring to the table.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 03:30:55 PM
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ayoto:
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Just plain dumb Borges...both Pacquiao/Marquez fights fought at the same weight also they have the same height. It's an even match for both fighters. WHILE FLOYD/MARQUEZ ON THE OTHER HAND IS A MISMATCH KNOWING THAT FLOYD IS TALLER THAN MARQUEZ PLUS FLOYD NOT CONTENTED WITH HIS HEIGHT ADVANTAGE HE INTENTIONALLY/CHEATED THE WEIGH IN. PEOPLE EXPECTED THAT FLOYD IS GOING TO WIN AND ALSO THEY EXPECTED THAT IT'S GOIGN TO BE A BORING FIGHT AND WILL END UP IN A UNANIMOUS D.
MARQUEZ WAS JUST IN FOR THE MONEY,HE KNOWS THAT THIS FIGHT W/ FLOYD IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BIG PAYCHECK .
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:49:42 PM
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I was just about to say that Mayweather fights one guy smaller then him and the haters make a big deal about it HE WAS #2P4P. Pac Fight Mayweather leftovers and kicks there ass Mayweather does the same but he get no credit from the haters. Pac is a beast but he lost to Morales I know he has improve so we should act like that did'nt happen HELL NO! IM NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:53:53 PM
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mayweather looked good against marquez at welter weight. but pacquiao looked way better against hatton at 140, which is hattons real weight. don't foget hatton almost knocked down mayweather at 147 when they fought.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:39:40 PM
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Gaining weight in muscle is easier than losing weight-- healthier too. Most fighters who drop weight need to dehydrate themselves if they do not want to sacrifice the weight in muscle. 24 hours to rehydrate is unhealthy, and not really sufficient. When you walk in the ring and take a punch, you feel lightheaded and woozy-- come to find out that that was only a jab!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:40:57 PM
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Yuvie:
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This is why I feel 'off' with boxing atm. Pacquiao has earned his position as the p4p number 1 while Mayweather can just waltz back in after one fight over a cherry picked opponent after almost 2 years. It's a joke and is the reason why p4p lists should just be scrapped. I personally think Mayweather beats most guys out there but he needs to prove it first. Pac struggled with Marquez at SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT. Mayweather dismantled Marquez at light welterweight. But then using that logic, Mayweather got a split decision over Oscar & took a while to get Hatton off him whereas Pacquiao dismantled them both. Mayweather barely makes the number 10 in my list because there have been other guys that have been busier and better than him. You americans just try to over-hype your son. Afterall, what would boxing be without a major american boxing star in it's era especially for you americans.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:46:09 PM
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TotoyBato:
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Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter in the world today. Anybody who thinks otherwise is jaded and does not know anything about boxing or fighting sports. For Mayweather to equal Pacquiao's achievement, he must face and destroy Mosley @ jr. middleweight (equals David Diaz), Roy Jones or B. Hopkins @ SuperMiddleweight (equals ODLH), and Arthur Abraham @ middleweight (equals Hatton). These feats will be impossible for Pretty Floyd, he would be destroyed by any of these fighters at the weight class.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:19:30 PM
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FightFan:
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This article is rubbish...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:21:55 PM
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kizz:
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Mayweather, is good but hes ducking away the best....and if he is good why he did not fight ...mosley, cotto instead to Marguez.
Marguez is good in his natural weight, unfortunately he went up to challenge the natural welter...Big and young.
YOu think...............mayweather?...........................
Pacman and Marguez prove to be the best of the sport, they went up to destroy bigger opponents.... Pacman succesfull but Marguez not.....
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:17:16 PM
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mayweather:
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Mayweather is the best boxer, depends on how one sees it. Hope the best boxer fights the all time great boxer Pacquiao on fair and equal terms next year.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:35:34 PM
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Frank Z@ ali:
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agreed. JMM has the same wingspan and height as pac. what lost the fight for JMM wasns't that he was too small was cause he was too slow and didn't utilize his jab well enough. mayweather pac would be a very good fight with pac gettingbetter and mayweather now rust free. i'm still pulling for a sugar vs. money fight over all else though.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:36:19 PM
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ali @ Marco Polo:
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Who cares about wining the fight I DO I rather look bad and win then enterain and lose that's what its all about. Now You do have to do it aginst the top guys and Mayweather has and will continue to do that. The winner of Cotto Pac fight or Mosley is next that means he's fighting another Hall Of Famer but as usual you will have some excuse after he beats them just watch.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:54:29 PM
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ali @ Yuvie:
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What's homie let me ask you somethen what fight do you think would put him back at the top of the list PAc, COTTO, MOSLEY or do he have to beat a couple of those guys.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:58:13 PM
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AntPrince:
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Once again a supposedly boxing expert tries to bloat out the accomplishment lil Floyd Mayweather made by beating the midget Juan Manuel Marquez. As I commented in other articles like this, especially the Yahoo pound for pound list, putting Floyd Mayweather on the no.1 or even no.2 based on the logic that Pacquiao struggled against Marquez while Mayweather toyed with Marquez is simply illogical....go to pacquiao-vs-cotto-fightnewsupdate.blogspot
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:58:54 PM
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Marco Polo:
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@ali what i meant is that MP doesn't care about p4p ranking at all, he cares about is winning fights. he wants to win fights and entertain as well that what cares. and of course money. excuses? if MP loses to MC the hell do i care,they don't give me money . as long as MC must make weight at 145 not 147 is cool with me. Mosley has more chance than MP or MC fighting PBF. but its not fair comparing the fight of MP wid JMM back at 130 where MP struggled to make weight but he push himself hard to make weight. unlike some. And also i believe MP lost to JMM at their second bout.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:43:40 PM
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banerx:
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stoopid article... the 1st basis that pbf is #1 is only the comparison with their fights with marquez. why not compare it also with both their fights with ODLH where pbf struggled with a decision and Pacquiao knocked him out! and the fight with hatton where pbf needed 10 rounds to knock Hatton out while Pacquiao needed only 2 rounds. 2nd basis is that pbf became pound for pound number 1 again because he defeated a naturally smaller fighter while pacman defeats fighter bigger than him. What has Pacquiao got to do to reclaim number 1 pound for pound? fight a smaller fighter likeIvan Calderon to a decision? because that is the only thing pbf did to reclaim number 1. fight a smaller fighter. where is the logic here? stoopid article.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:43:52 PM
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cotto saulo:
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they voted mayweather as no. 1 p/p boxer because he is an american, while pacquiao is not. these people who voted mayweather as boxings no. 1 p'p are either sick, ignorant or blind.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:46:56 PM
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Marco Polo@ali:
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il give you an example and i want you to answer it. We have employee A who has a very good record and competent in his work and a candidate for promotion to be a supervisor but suddenly he resigned. Then employee B works hard for almost two years and his also competent and has a great performance record also like employee and his on top for the promotion. Then suddenly employee A was hired back and work for only about a few months and not a surprise his also good. then the promotion day came, who do you think is more susceptible to be a supervisor where employee A resigned and hired back but his still good with his performance or employee B who proves himself worthy for almost showing his talent for nearly 2 years when employee A is not around? hope you got my logic. thats how i see it. and maybe just maybe some TSS forumers also.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:54:55 PM
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Marco Polo@ali:
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Hope you answer it=) tnx
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:55:27 PM
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Floyd dominated a smaller Marquez to a unanimous decision. Then suddenly he was great, he should be the #1 p4p, etc...people dont give any excuses...
Manny KOd Ricky Hatton in 2 and DLH couldn't take any more punishment from Manny, but I can hear lots of excuses...DLH was dehydrated, Ricky was overated, etc...sheesh!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:19:26 PM
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I think you missed some points there Mr. Borges! If you based your assessment of who should be considered as the P4P best at Mayweather and Pacquiao's last foe, I think Pacquiao also won all rounds against De la Hoya and during this fight 90% of boxing sport writers predicted De la Hoya to decapitate Pacquiao, while in Mayweather vs Marquez, 90% of boxing sport writers predicted for Mayweather to win with 4:1 betting odds. I bet Marquez will win the fight against Mayweather had it been that Marquez was the bigger draw and the promoters would ask Floyd to play offense rather than be contented on waiting and anticipating when Marquez should mount his attack. As Marv said; he has seen Pacquiao as a fifth grader trying to beat 7th grader and now he even trying to beat high school. While on Mayweather's case his the high school trying to beat some 5th grader toughie. So your analysis proves to be very disrespectful to those fighters who are trying to transcend the sports of boxing into a combination of art and science rather than a sport dominated by bullies. In order for Floyd to transcend boxing as a sport of skills rather than a sport of size and weight, I think he should show that he owns the skills to neutralize fighters who are suppose to be heavier and taller than him like Paul Williams or maybe Kelly Pavlik. Pacquiao has done this already and it's kind of crazy that he is facing now a real welterweight champion in Miguel Cotto whom Floyd had been avoiding for quite sometime.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:26:23 PM
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EM:
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I am not posting some really vile racist garbage aimed at Mayweather and Borges. Plese, don't waste my time sending us that crap. OK?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:44:03 PM
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This article is hardly worth dignifying with a post. Borges, the Rush Limbaugh of Boxing.....in other words, a blowhard with a bully pulpit......is making a unilateral declaration of his choice for the 'mythical' Pound for Pound Title. His first problem is the word itself. 'Mythical' by definition means 'idealized' or 'fictional'. So any claims to such titles are just that.... 'idealized and/or fictional', If Borges believes Floyd to be King, he is entitled to his opinion. But his opinion is absolutely no more valuable than anyone else's. But for Borge's, his problems ....and fast diminishing credibility....get worse from there. He chooses the most specious path to defend his opinion...that of the neophyte. Arguing that if A beats B and B beats C, then A will beat C is not only bunk, but the unabashed bunk of the fool. Using the great names Borge's invokes, Frazier beat Ali, then Ali beats Foreman....so Smokin' Joe will beat Big George. I don't think so Ron. Pacquiao and Marquez did fight for their lives so time ago. We all saw that. Two fighters fighting each other in their primes at the same weight. Now, fighting at welter, you want Manny to prove he is the kingpin.... by beating not one but two great welterweights. Two true welterweights!!! And Floyd gets to re-gain his crown for what exactly; beating one over-bloated lightweight. Right. Ron, People with bad breathe should be careful (a) not to talk too close or too loud and (b) be careful about what they eat. Because when they open their mouths, their hot air actually stinks. That, Ron, is no myth. That is the truth.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 09:45:55 PM
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Mr. Borges, you might want to get some facts straight before putting Floyd on top again. Floyd's close call over Oscar De La Hoya pales in comparision to Manny destruction of Oscar who was overwhelmingly picked to destroy Manny. Ricky Hatton was in almost the whole fight with Mayweather and Floyd in my opinion had the advantage of some very crooked Referee work in this fight, not to mention Hatton wasn't as good at 147. Manny destroyed Hatton at Ricky's natural wieght of 140 for the Lineal belt in less then 2 rounds. Floyd's 10 rounds at 147 compared to Manny's 2 rounds at 140, c-mon now! Manny's wars with Marquez at 126 and 130 hold way more merit then Floyd cheating his way to a win at 144. EXSCUSE ME! I MEAN THE COWARD SOME REASON NEEDED TO BE AT 146! Forget Floyd! Manny Pacquiao is the true Pound for Pound King and you know it!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:14:32 PM
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Isaiah:
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Shoot, Floyd's the one fighting for second place, if that. Wait a minute! Is the editor really Floyd himself? Floyd, is that you? Tell me this really isn't Ron Borges and you're just trying to fool the public again Floyd "No Money". If you really did type this Mr. Borges, shame on you. The Ring Magazine obviously has a much higher understanding of boxing then Yahoo sports. I mean c-mon, it's called Yahoo. It's for Yahoos, A.K.A. uniformed individuals.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:35:14 PM
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Fire at will:
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quit writing ron borges. you write like manuel perez
floyd "cheat" mayweather is going to kiss that canvas vs pac
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:36:50 PM
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Anon:
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I thought this article is about poind-for-pound and sweet science? Geez. Mayweather came in HEAVY. Got it? Author. got it?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 10:40:55 PM
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Marco Polo@to those who believe floyd is #1 p4p king please answer my sample occurence above:
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Calling all pbf fans. Please answer above my post regarding the employee A and Employee B. And maybe put yourself on the shoes of employee B. Its the closest comparison i could think regarding about PBF being #1P4P fighter and not the hard working former 106 POUNDER (il say it again POUNDER and close to POUND FOR POUND) figher. Thats all.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:14:39 PM
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jin:
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ron booger, kiss floyd's ass again!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:17:16 PM
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Jake:
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What can I say? Once again a bias article from Ron Borges!!!
Mayweather fighting Marquez is like Pacquiao fighting calderon. It proves nothing.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:19:09 PM
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BBSantos:
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This has to be one of the dumbest, most idiotic articles I've ever read about boxing. The sheer ridiculousness of this writer's comments really discredits such a fantastic site such as TSS. Either he wrote this artice to get a rise out of people or just started watching boxing yesterday. This Ron Burges guy gets a "no read" from me here on out.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:23:01 PM
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the american patriot:
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im an american but the truth is mayweather sr and his son PBF are the ugliest garbage mouth boxer and trainer from their faces to their attitudes and how come his son is listed in the P4P rankings today! i smell some rotten fish from there! all pips that follow and idolize their examples and appreciate them loves to cheat and be like them! i'll just leave this old famous saying portaying the PACMANs most dangerous ATG attribute, "silent water runs deep". PBFs gonna drowned really deep when he explores the the heart of the PACMAN ocean!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:30:58 PM
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kountedout:
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doesn't make a difference who is 1or 2. if floyd ever steps foot in the ring with pacquiao you will see pacquiao destroyed. this is playing right into the hands of floyd. to humiliate freddie and pacquiao all at once. what's the saying kill 2 birds with one stone. once floyd does that it will answer who is the best. but from reading most comments you will have an excuse for that as well. harder to beat a technically skilledl fighter like Marquez then to beat a unskilled no style fighter like pacquiao. easy work for floyd
Friday Oct 2, 2009 01:04:19 AM
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How the hell a Boxer like Mayweather who just came out from retirement who fought once in the last 2 years & just beaten a old boxer who came from 2 weight div below his weight div gets so much credit and suddenly become no.1 boxer in the world? Do you really think Mayweather win over Marquez by UD is enough to surpass Pacman previous achievements in his last 3-4 fights in last 2 years?
Pacquiao having a true heart of a champion going up in heavier weight divisions and beat these bigger guys like Hatton, Delahoya & Diaz easilly by KO even he came from 116div to become 6x World champ in 6 different division and 1st ever boxer to capture 4 lineal titles thats no easy thing to do. Pacquiao beats these big guys easilly while Floyd cannot even knock out a smaller guy than him.
Come on Ron I know you know whos more deserving on the No.1 spot between two of them and for now thats not Floyd, let Floyd beat atleast 1 top contender in his own div 1st!!!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 01:13:35 AM
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Anonymous user:
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This article is simply idiotic, it's a miracle this author till has a job. Never reading another article from this author.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 01:49:31 AM
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mabii:
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Great article Ron. Obviously Manny is the more exiting fighter, no doubt about that. The converse is that so many people want to see Mayweather lose - and these same people will pay to see him lose. Is he the best fighter in the world? Frankly, we will not find out until he fights either Mosley of Manny. My personal opinion is that a motivated Mayweather beats anyone right now. He simply is too skilled and never gets lazy about his conditioning. Manny and Mosley are both aggresive fighters which will play right into mayweathers gameplan. Also when mayweather decides to really fight i.e Corley and Ndou then its usually a short night.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 03:55:23 AM
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Witboy:
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Borges, you are a stupid writer.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 05:03:17 AM
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steve:
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p4p rank: pacman(convincing tko of dela hoya,diaz& hatton),2.floyd(for destroying marquez)3.marquez(empressive wins casamayor&diaz)pls base your p4p ranks in latest fights..
Friday Oct 2, 2009 06:24:41 AM
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dontsmokecrack:
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One word: IDIOT.. Pls don't write another boxing article again.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 06:37:54 AM
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Uruk-Hai:
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This article borders on complete idiocy and lack of common sense. I just wish the writer is drunk when he wrote this. Pac fought JMM at his best weight at 130. Floyd fought JMM 2 weight classes below him and then came in overweight for the fight. I mean Mr. Avila, your boxing site is getting less and less credibility with articles like this one. Is Ron Borges a neophyte writer? U shud send him back to journalism school and learn the principle of parity in his writeups. More like pin-ups.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:16:01 AM
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Fe'Roz @ EM:
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EM, You have been kind enough to ask us to vote on the P4P best writer's posting amongst ourselves here in the TSS Universe. And, as expected, when you ask an open question, you get a variety of answers. Any chance you would pose the following question to us today: WE NEED TO KNOW, WHO IS THE WORST WRITER IN THE WORLD TODAY. Or has that question already been answered. All the best...
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:23:58 AM
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kountedout:
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more then 90% of you called the writer stupid, idiotic, etc for what? because you are upset he didn't have pacquiaos name first. your arguments for pacquiao are based on him beating a delahoya who was dried out. and david diaz who anyone could have beaten. pacquiao picked the weakest guy in a division but yet you accept that. so you're sayin that it easier to pick on smaller guys then to pick on bigger guy and make them weak to where they lose all energy? you come with excuse after excuse. don't compare apples to oranges. keep on asking for floyd to fight pacquiao because it has to happen don't give an excuse when floyd beats pacquiao. if pacquiao were to beat floyd which i highly doubt he is the better fighter and p4p best
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:42:11 AM
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#1 PacFan 12-2-1 in "09:
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@Ali, Mayweather has been fighting lefovers all of his career except for Corrales(R.I.P.) and Castillo. Everyone else is all leftovers checkout his record and you'll find out. @Radam, great post! That made me feel a little better. Take your own advice somethimes!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:05:44 AM
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run run:
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ronborges, ali & kountedout - you guys left your brains in the sink! no wonder it stinks around here! get a life, you are still living in the pre-pacquiao era. this is post-floyd era guys! update your RAMs. they dont use celeron chips anymore like the ones processing your brains! your logics make me puke!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:09:38 AM
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#1 PacFan 12-2-1 in "09:
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@kountedout, you can say all the reasons why Pac reached the top spot but the whole point is that he retired. That's how it works in life, you quit your position now you must work your way back up to that spot. Fighting an old, bloated, disadvantaged Marquez doesn't allow him to take back the spot. What if it was twisted around and Pac was the one who retired and beat Hatton who was already beaten? Would you put him back on the #1 list? Most of you already answered that because you didn't think he deserved the spot even when May retired.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:13:53 AM
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bill major:
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mayweather is #1 only in his mind and in the minds of people who have never seen what a great fighter really is . to the later,watch some fight films of armstong,robinson,a prime duran and leonard,ali ,etc...that is a # 1 ,great fighter.not this pitty patter bull s--t or fighting the smaller or less dangerous opponant then crowing about how great u are. if he was so great the fans would be saying it not himself. look,at least Pacquiao fights the best and bigger fighters .to you guys here that dont like borges article,use your intellegance instead of showing what little you know about the game as i said here.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:31:25 AM
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zdrx:
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ron it's true pacman had a nightmare fighting jmm atop the ring. while floyd made fun of jmm, it doesn't mean floyd is better. consider this. pacman was dehydrated facing jmm. why? because pacman's comfortable wt. was already 138-142lb and he had to shed enormous pounds to make wt at 130 against jmm. you can see in the picture pacman looked like a zombie during weigh in. look at his fights at higher wts, where he don't have to starve himself to death to make wt---BOOM!!! fantastic performance isn't it? this analysis proves PACMAN WAS WEIGH DRAINED FIGHTING JMM AT 130---THE REASON HE DID NOT EVEN BOTHER TO DEFEND THAT TITLE FOR A REMATCH, BUT INSTEAD CAMPAIGNED AT HIGHER WT CLASS---HE WAS NOT RUNNING AWAY.
compare him to your idol floyd. he made poor ol' stalking marquez huff and puff 2 wt div up to make sure jmm's li'l old legs and knees carry additional wt, and slow him down. and in return floyd did not respect the contract wt by weighing 2lb heavier than the stipulated 144lb. floyd shamelessly took all the advantages all to himself giving marquez none. big ppv numbers? (if true) it is not surprising, because mexicans are perhaps gullible enough to think marquez had a chance and subscribed to see "history" real time. also, americans subscribed to see realtime, their boy who behave like an ape, DESTROYED. now, you understand?
Friday Oct 2, 2009 10:57:42 AM
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SAmmy :
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Why stupid alibis before the night?
See? Pacman is older than Miguel but you don't posit that he should be more of a shadow of what he used to be?
When will boxing scribes have intellectual sense and honesty? Not in this lifetime!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 03:12:49 PM
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ali @ Marco Polo:
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Very good point and I know were your going with your post the probles is a 9 to 5 is different then sports. Tiger Woods was #1 when he got hurt and was out for over a year when he came back he was still #1. Look if you think Kobe is the best player and he steps away from the game for a couple of years and comes back looking like the same old Kobe would you put LeBron James ahead of him I wouldn't what about you
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:23:01 PM
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ali @ #1 Pacfan:
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Hatton was not a leftover more lies I see you never said who was the leftovers has fought
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:26:36 PM
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ali @ The Mayweather Haters :
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Damn yall getting really upset about the article Ron is just using common sense calm down if Pac can beat Cotto he will get a chance to prove Ron wrong.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:31:50 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yep, well, I feel this is the worst Borges article I've ever read. He's counting Mayweather's fight as an actual fight, and the fact that just b/c marquez manny tough fights, it means marquez is somehow on the level of manny pacquiao. Remember, jermaine taylor beating bhop, doesn't make JT up there with bhop, forrest (RIP) beating mosley doesn't mean he made the same historical impact, hatton beating Tszyu doesn't mean that tszyu was inferior, nor buster douglas beating tyson, nor margarito beating cotto, These guys just happened to have the other guys' numbers on them, and this is what marquez had on pacquiao, even tho other fighters, esp bigger and more defensive minded fighters would have no problem with marquez (don't believe me? Throw in Clottey and Marquez and see what happens! Floyd vs. bad chad dawson at 165. If marquez was such a valuable opponent at welterweight (was he even ranked before the fight?), then cotto, mosley, or clottey beating him coulda put them right in the No. 2 spot. This whole thing is a sham and everything I called BEFORE the fight is coming true. Borges, you're a great writer, but the whole thesis of this article is flawed. speaking of mythical p4p writer, I think F-lo finally moves into Number 1 spot to me. He's been spot on, and if not spot on, hugely opinionated, insightful, and controversial... but never dead set wrong. Borges is your classic boxing writer with a twist: eloquent, respectful, rich with meaning and words, has great historical knowledge, mixes things together in interesting ways, presents new and old information with pizazz. Always a classic. F-lo writa' is a HUNGRY lion man, that guy is eating things up, he be writing on a different level, he is like a pugilistic virtuosos of the written prose. F-lo is the pacquiao of fight writing, Borges is marquez, i am normally reserved and even defensive Borges, but this very article offends my very nerve being that marquez mayweather was an insult to fight fans, and for a top grade writer to endorse this just makes my stomach turn. For all the pple who are uselessly attacking Borges, STFU, he's twice the writer, three times the man, and five times the professional in a career you'll ever be. Try reading some of his stuff before you attack a legend... read his piece on De La Hoya's retirement, or his fun and highlighted article about Berto-Collazo. You guys make wanna hurl more than this boxing article (big words). Have a nice night. Sorry EM and TSS, I had to unleash these words. Boxing resides too purely in my soul for such an article to go unscathed. I hope Borges can continue to write on the right side of history in the future to come. He did not lose all my respect and hope, but he lost some, and never underestimate shedding 2lbs. of pure hope. It really makes a reader drained on fight night! Holler! Peace and love to TSSU ! holler !!!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 07:38:54 PM
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MisterLee:
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and using Yahoo Sports as a source? I stated in the Michael Woods fight prediction that even though 51% of yahoo sports fans thought mayweather would win to the 49% of marquez supporters, 100% of Yahoo fans are crazy. I stil stand by that. They are just a notch over Ring Magazine, which is a horrible publication with very glossy pictures. @ Fe'roz the Pharaoh, please don't use this article as an excuse to personally attack Borges. He deserves more than that, he's written countless outstanding articles and has won that little first place ribbon. what was that? The BWAA awards, that's all. But I agree with the content of the article, but not your own grudge.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:00:50 PM
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MisterLee reposting some old "shiz for a new article:
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"Zab Judah has faced better opposition than Floyd: he fought: floyd mayweather, baldomir, cotto, clottey, (almost mosley). I do not believe Floyd has fought any fighter in his own weight division that has ever been considered on the top 10 p4p best fighter in the world list. Fighting number 1 ranked fighters are nothing compared to fighters that are considered the best regardless of their weight division. pc out!
Friday Jun 19, 2009 06:58:24 PM"
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:30:34 PM
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MisterLee repositng some old "shiz for a new article:
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"Yep. Also, Mayweather vs. Marquez in theaters soon, RATED G. Holler! haha....
Monday Aug 31, 2009 09:04:17 AM" ANOTHER REPOST: " Marquez has fought most of his career (50+ fights or so) below 130 b/c he has a smaller body frame and would be most effective in those weight categories. You talk about weight and stuff, there's pple's normal weight, and their fighitng weight. I mean I heard Erik morales would gain 50-60 lbs. in between fights. But the thing is, many pple can fight at different weight classes, but their bodies hold limitations to much weight you can carry and still be an effective prize fighter. It is my understanding that JMM went up in weight to try to chase down Pacquiao for an eventual rematch. Pacquao goes after diaz, JMM moves up in weight chasing the dream and big fight, pacquiao destroys de la hoya at welterweight. There a few ways to go up in weight. Number one, fight someone that is not a world champ. Number two, if you do fight a world champ, make sure he is not on the top p4p list and hopefully he'll have a big name too so it'll look good on your resume. Number three, the toughest, is moving up in weight agst. a belt holder, a top p4p fighter, and a big name. Looking at it this way, Pacquiao fighting David Diaz (beltholder, not a big name, not p4p) and De La Hoya (no beltholder, HUGE name, not p4p AND past his prime) was safer than if Pacquiao went up the division and fought Cotto (beltholder at one point, big name, p4p). Even Williams at his first ventures in the jr. middleweight and middleweight divisions he fought rather safe prosepcts that would look good on his resume: Verno Phillips (#2 contender at the time, not p4p, no name) and Andy Kolle (who? no belt, no name, not p4p). Mayweather fighting de la hoya (belt, HUGE Name, if p4p he was way past his prime). Now the safest bet in going up in weight is finding someone who is not on the p4p list, hopefully a big name, and someone past their prime (Williams beating Winky Wright). Juan Manual Marquez is someone who is NOT a young lion, an old veteran moving up in weight agst Floyd Mayweather (no beltholder but former beltholder, HUGE name, top p4p in his prime). Floyd is younger, faster, stronger, smarter, has better defense. Now if the weight classes mean nothing (since Floyd might walk around outside of boxing at 160-170 or more), could Floyd perhaps do the same thing Marquez is doing? Move up 2 weight divisions, fight a potential beltholder, big name, p4p in his prime? That would mean Arthur abraham or kelly pavlik? Could you see that happening? B/c that's exactly what Juan Manual Marquez is doing, except he's not in his prime. Also, mind you, Juan Manual Marquez is moving up 2 weight divisions, so are you saying he could take on the likes of Hatton, Ortiz, Ricardo Torres, Bradley in Jr. Welterweight, or even if we were to ignore that, if this wasn't floyd mayweather, but if this was another welterweight signing with JMM (b/c Floyd is a welterweight), could you see a closely contested fight between Cotto and Marquez? i'm not questioning JMM's greatness, I'm questioning his weight and ability to carry his craft to a higher weight division agst a young lion, and also Floyd's overly cherry picking choice of fights. Just my opinion. I'm just doing my writing, it's nothing personal. Just doing my non-job. :)
Monday May 4, 2009 03:25:44 PM"
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:38:34 PM
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MisterLee, last word:
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Did someone kidnap the REAL Ron Borges, b/c is this the REAL and SAME Ron Borges who wrote the poignant article: "Mayweather Returns To Minimal Risk, High Reward Bout" on May 3, 2009. Quoting YOU mr. borges: "Now Pacquiao’s long-time nemesis, Marquez, will try to perform the same sort of miracle but against a far younger and far more complete fighter in Mayweather, who fought at 154 and 147 pounds in his last two victories before opting for early retirement.
The fact of the matter is there are weight classes in boxing for a reason. There is a difference between a featherweight and a welterweight. A difference between a junior middleweight and a lightweight. There is also a difference between Mayweather (39-0, 25 KO) and Marquez - a significant one in fact.
Marquez is a deft fighter, a brave man and a skilled boxer with a warrior’s heart. If Mayweather were simply significantly bigger that might mean little but he is more than that even coming off a long layoff. He is bigger but also faster and more powerful.
Maybe that won’t make a lick of difference because perhaps he’ll be too far off but I would not count on that and Marquez would be wise not to as well." NOW THAT'S GOOD WRITING. Holler!!!!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:43:44 PM
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Marco Polo:
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I dont care anymore hus number 1, as long as pac prove them wrong with cotto. Im a fan of mayweather also his skills are tremendous but sadly i hate his ethics. a month and half to go before we see true real warriors battle for supremacy. take care peeps.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:52:37 PM
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Marco Polo@ali:
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regarding about your example, thats exactly my point. Maybe woods or Kobe got back to #1 because he proves it and show them that they are still number 1. unlike PBF who humiliated a canvas kisser + whiner JMM who is a Lightweight. he needs to beat at least a welterweight to get his spot back. hope you got what i meant. anyway F@#K hus number 1. we dont get money from them. fans need is a real fight.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:58:48 PM
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ali @ Marco Polo:
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See that's what I don't understand everybody that like Pac think he can beat Mayweather but at the same time they say he need to a true welterweight. I feeling you about we don't make any money from it but I write how I feel and have fun with it and at the end of the day if they fight we will get our answer as to who #1
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:13:09 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Mister Lee aka Tim Russert:
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Excellent looking out, Mister. Precisely the reason i likened Borges to Rush Limbaugh. Both are intelligent. Both have a bully pulpit. Both love to sensationalize. And both have the uncanny ability to blow smoke out of their mouth and their ass.....at the same time. Sghamelessly. Entertaining for sure. Credible....absolutely not.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:28:51 PM
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kountedout:
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don't care who #1 is. just an opinion. i do know who has better skills and the best right now. you do have to beat someone of some magnitude in order to show people you still have it. would you guys have respected floyd if he would have chosen david diaz? on a comeback fight you never ever take an active guy like floyd did. marquez if im right called him out after marquez ko'd juan diaz. i would rather see floyd fight a very skilled marquez then a bum like david diaz. we will get to see floyd take on pacquiao and when it happens theres going to be a lot of sad faces on this sight. whoever would bet on pacquiao to beat floyd should just donate some money to a important organization because you are just giving money away. this fight has to happen. we want it more then any fight around.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:37:49 PM
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Isaiah@MisterLee:
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MisterLee, I'm going to have to disagree with you severly on your stance on the Ring Magazine. They're no nonsense and unbiased articles, unlike this one, and Championship policies make the most sense of anything in boxing and I believe, have been the best thing for this sport. It blows silly little Yahoo Sports, ESPN and anything else they may cover some boxing, out of the water They are also the only thing that truly represents the REAL champion. Touche.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:46:21 PM
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Marco Polo@ali:
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sadly there is a small chance that this two great fighters will clash coz of their egos. hope this two fighters should think hard and assess that boxing fans need some fight like this. and hopefully if ever MP will win over MC(50% chance winning rate) . when i was a kid i tot the winner in boxing will get the bigger money.LOL
Friday Oct 2, 2009 10:45:15 PM
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boxer 101:
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Beating a smaller fighter doesn't make you p4p king, no way. Making JMM come up to 144, and doesn't abide by the same rules himself. A dominant win over Paul Williams @ 154, Mosley @ any weight, Clottey @147, or Cotto @ 147. A win 2 or 3 out of those would shut us out... but until then he could be Floyd could be picking Calderon next.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 11:55:31 PM
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zdrx:
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mr. lee ..."NOW THAT'S GOOD WRITING WRITING, Holler". upon reading your post, i got confused. you used so many angles that your point contradict itself. so many directions , getting nowhere. all sound and fury signifying...nothing. you used so many words to expound on something insignificant thereby wasting space/bandwidth, most of all our precious time. you seem to love literature and i love to read other people's opinion, so next time please write better and clearer that we can understand.
Saturday Oct 3, 2009 04:10:01 AM
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Anony @ Pacman nuthuggers and Mayweather's brainwash fans.:
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I really like Borges writing but this article is obviously BIASED... it treats Cotto like he is non-existent in the P4P ranking or like he is less of a boxer than Mayweather or not to be taken into consideration. When I read "there’s an uneasy feeling here when one watches Cotto that he is a shadow of what he was before Antonio Margarito"... well, I can assure that feeling is not share with most Cotto's fans or admirers. Those are "media manipulating words" and they are not well founded. Why? Because Miguel Cotto has been always consistent in his career, has a top P4P record, has never ducked anybody and most likely was cheated against Margacheato. Not to forget Michael Jennings was THE FIRST and maybe the only "tune up" fighter Cotto has faced and that he fought Clottey with only one eye for 8 rounds instead of doing an Israel Vazquez "I can't fight because of the injury" personification. That mere cojones gesture should be enough to convince fight writers that he is still the lion to beat in the welterweight division. I really hope he KO Pacman and then Mayweather man up to do a real fight with him. We should be confident that Miguel Cotto deserves the P4P king status more than Pacquiao or Mayweather. Why? Well, Pacquiao have less of a record and he needs to beat somebody like Miguel to really quiet any critic (that being - DLH drained, Hatton no deffense strategy and Diáz not to the level). Mayweather is more questionable because he hasn't face any real warrior on his division yet, cheats on his "trapweight" and hasn't gain the most important price in boxing WHICH IS THE FAN'S RESPECT. Miguel on the other hand has one OF THE MOST DISPUTABLE LOSS IN BOXING HISTORY and has done thing right adjusting to the level of top fighters like Clottey and Mosley. Think about it Mr. Borges... I have a question for you... do you think Miguel Cotto (the early days brawler) would have stand a chance against Mosley for example if he was to brawl only against Sugar Shane? So what you call "a shadow of what he was before" is really a smart boxer who knows his limitations and based on that he device a plan to win anyway. I mean, that's sounds exactly as what Mayweather does but Cotto do it against top P4P fighters and always put a real show.Because, after all... who can say Miguel "El Angel" Cotto is a boring fighter??? That's the real difference between Floyd and Miguel. They both do the same thing but Miguel looks like a warrior while Mayweather... well... he is boring.... need prove? Well, he throws half the punches Vitali Klitschko's threw against Arreola and some people still think Vitali is boring. The stats splats in Mayweather's face. Soon enough we will know WHO IS THE REAL P4P KING OF BOXING.... if that honor is reserved to Miguel "El angel" Cotto... then it will be VERY RIGHTFULLY ATTRIBUTED. He has earned it better than anybody anyways. God bless Miguel and my country. The fight is already on!!!!
Saturday Oct 3, 2009 10:10:01 AM
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MisterLee @ Isaiah:
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Well, I feel that Ring Magazine as a publication is an expensive piece of crap. I mean, I recall spending about $8 on an issue for February 2009, and in this Feb issue they did NOT have the results nor a realistic article for the Pacquiao De La Hoya fight which took place on December 6th, 2008. In addition, they called De La Hoya "the premiere fighter of the sport", however, he really is the most followed and popular fighter, but by far not the best nor marquee fighter of the year 2008. Ring Magazine articles to me reek of status quo, boring updates, and lack EVERYTHING that F-lo writa' stands by: deep insight, opinionated stances, bringing NEW ideas on old material, and making things fresh. Their board is made of individuals who follow boxing, who I'm willing to bet are NOT any more knowledgeable than our TSS staff, and their way of awarding the RIng Title is only ONE way of doing it, though it does apply some consistency between the various belts and organizations. But really, every time I pick up a copy of Ring magazine or visit their website, I really view a brain numbing, unoriginal drumming of boxing news. That's my opinion. Maxboxing, Bad Left hook, Insight fights, boxing scene, and fighthype present some inteligent articles and interviews, and sometimes eastsideboxing. Holler!
Saturday Oct 3, 2009 09:57:39 PM
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Anony SPEEDBAG:
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::: THIS GOT TO BE THE MOST CRITICIZED ARTICLE IN TSS HISTORY. I'm sorry Ron Borges took "the honor" but I guess he will come back with a masterpiece soon enough. No need to feel bad about it, he just got the heat fans have accumulated from "hating" Floyd. That's how bad Floyd's legacy is. And it is the same legacy stamp he will have to live with if he doesn't man up and fight welterweights. He could be the fastest and the richer but like I said before, he hasn't gain the most precious price in boxing ------------------ WHICH IS THE FAN'S RESPECT.
Sunday Oct 4, 2009 06:40:25 AM
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Anony jabbing for the "Quote of note":
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:: I WANT THE "QUOTE OF NOTE" WISHING FLOYD WILL READ IT ::
Sunday Oct 4, 2009 08:19:41 AM
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Ronald B. Hernaez:
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Mr. Ron Borge,
I can not imagine if you have taken your enough meal while making your post on this article. You should be aware that the boxing sport is a fan base and entertainment sport and because of this a real boxer or fighter must deliver a fight that must suited to the popular expectation and taste of viewers.
You are citing PBF as P4P in boxing. Do you see and analyze how he bring fight ? Do you think we are pleased and entertained the way he is using his "eel tactics" and pseudo-wise gameplan?
I should say for majority of PBF fights he is not fighting fair & square. Why? On his fight with JMM he choose to be fined for excess weight rather than to fight square and fair to JMM because we know if he will fight with same weight the tendency he might lost the fight.
Second, he is fighting according to his own boring style and not even thinking the expectation of the crowd and viewer should be satisfactorily paid in order to keep boxing sport alive. What he is thinking is his Money in the bank and never mind if the crowd get bored by his style.
Do you think he is lifting the passion and drama of the boxing sports?
He is a self acclaimed best with your blind support but not the passion of worldwide boxing fans. GO PACMAN, GO JMM keep the boxing world alive!!
Sunday Oct 4, 2009 02:00:31 PM
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MisterLee @ Anony:
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Good writing! Thanks for giving Mr. Borges a cushion. I feel bad for writing what i did, but really, the sentiments of the article are unforgivable, the author IS forgivable and a legend (ya'll musta forgot!). I'm still upset over this article...it's like your mad, you find your supermodel gf in bed with one of those doctor guys from HEROES, what do you do? forgive her and made due, or hold it agst her?
Sunday Oct 4, 2009 07:25:42 PM
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sonnyavila:
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There's no logic to your logic. Mayweather is #1 because he beat Pacquio's most difficult opponent in recent years? Extending that non-logic, how about the fact that Pacquio beat Mayweather's two most recent opponents (before he "retired") in more convincing fashion than Mayweather? What about the Mayweather not picking an opponent his own size. Mayweather avoids Mosely and Cotto. If Pacquio refuses to fight Maywheather, where will Money go? To Cotto who by then would have either lost to or won against Pacquiao. Assuming Paquiao wins against Cotto and Mayweather is forced to fight Cotto where will he be? Pacquiao was willing to fight Mosely, Mayweather was clearly uncomfortable with Moseley's challenge after the Mayweather marquez fight. Again, if the Mayweather Pacquiao fight will not push through, where will Mayweather go? Fight smaller opponents? The guy does not want to take risks and thats what Boxing is NOT all about.
Monday Oct 5, 2009 12:08:10 AM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Hatton in 9":
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This piece is flooded! @Ali, Hatton was softened up by Collazo at 147 who many feel that he(Hatton) lost the fight. He wasn't effective at Welterweight as was the case for Marquez. Dela Hoya was B-Hop's leftovers, Baldomir was everyone's leftovers, Judah was Baldomir's, Spinks, and Tzyu's leftovers, Mitchell was Tzyu's leftovers, Gatti was Ward's and ODLH's leftovers, Bruseless was Zavala's and Ortega's leftovers, Corley was Lujan's and Judah's leftovers, N'Dou was Campbell's leftovers, Sosa was Ramirez's and Spadafora's leftovers, Castillo was Soto's, Jaregue, and Alvarez's leftovers, want more? I'll give you more.
Monday Oct 5, 2009 09:20:09 AM
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#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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You have no case for Floyd when it comes to magnifying his resume.
Monday Oct 5, 2009 09:21:52 AM
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kountedout:
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most on here thinks manny should be p4p king. which is fine. i will give him the p4p king right now. if he ever steps in the ring with floyd that is going to be so much sweeter to see floyd retires from the game as the best then let someone else take the throne for awhile then comes back and beat them. it won't be any excuses after he does that.
Monday Oct 5, 2009 02:01:54 PM
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blue4cor:
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JMM IS NOT PACQUIAO WHO CAN MAKE BIGGER OPPONENTS BACK PEDAL THE MOMENT HIS LEFT HOOK LANDS ON THEM. MAYWEATHER NEEDED 10 ROUNDS OF BOXING TO DISPATCH HATTON AND DUCKED CHALLENGE FROM TOP DOGS. PBF DESERVES 5th SPOT IN THE TOP10.
Monday Oct 5, 2009 06:54:23 PM
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Isaiah:
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Everybody shout! MANNY'S #1! MANNY'S #1! AT LEAST UNTIL NOVEMBER! AT LEAST UNTIL NOVEMBER! HA! Time for Floyd to put up or shut up! Throw down or go down. (in the rankings that is)
Monday Oct 5, 2009 08:25:53 PM
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MisterLee @ #1 pacsage:
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It's settled! Mayweather should fight Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera to prove his greatness, fo' sho! haha..
Tuesday Oct 6, 2009 09:47:14 AM
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avidboxingfan:
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Hello Floyd Fans, where are you now? Is your man still # 1? What is your argument now? Is he compared to the great fighters even above his generations?
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 07:06:41 AM
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