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The Last Word On Arreola From Borges: "The Guy Can't Fight"
By Ron Borges
Cristobal Arreola’s tears following the one-sided beating he absorbed from Vitali Klitchko last weekend were real but what was he crying about? He blew his chance long before the first bell rang.
These days the public is easily fooled by public displays of remorse, apologies which are really no more than public relations stunts or reactions to having finally been exposed than for really seeing the error of their ways. Cris Arreola seemed another in that growing list.
On the biggest night of his life, Arreola arrived at the arena fat and out of shape. Perhaps for him he was svelte, considering his past, but even at the weigh-in he joked about one of the most revealing things about him. When Arreola first weighed 271 there was little shock in the room but he removed his shirt to expose a weight belt he was wearing.
To him conditioning has always been a joke and so it remained. His chest was loose, his sides flabby and his skills non-existent. If you think the former is not revealing of why the latter is a fact than you are not paying much attention to things.
Arreola said in a pre-fight interview that he fought hard, worked hard and played hard. Two out of three isn’t bad unless you want to be heavyweight champion. Cris Arreola not only doesn’t work hard at his craft he doesn’t even know what that means, which is not all his own fault.
If on the biggest night of your professional career, you cannot see fit to work hard enough to be in the best of physical condition what chance do you think there is that he’s working on his footwork in the living room while friends, family and, most importantly, opponents sleep?
Arreola came off as a guy who thinks he has the right to overeat and over drink because he parties as hard as he fights. Well, if last Saturday night was an example of how hard he fights and he brings that to the dinner table or the bar room he should be Juan Manuel Lopez’s size by his next fight.
He didn’t fight hard nor did he fight well. He took punches in the face, which is neither of those things. There is an old saying in boxing that some guys are “game quitters.’’ What it means is they are willing to absorb punishment but not willing to do all they can to win.
If after a long amateur career and 27 professional fights what Arreola showed Saturday night is the sum total of his mastery of boxing than it’s time to look for a job in the Post Office. The guy can’t fight. Frankly, neither can Vitali Klitschko but what he can and does do is physically prepare himself as perfectly as he can and then use the advantages of size and limited athleticism to the best of his ability.
Were Klitschko in the ring with someone like Joe Frazier last Saturday night, Frazier would have slipped under one or more of those pawing punches that pass for a jab, and launched a left hook into his squash that would have knocked him out for a 20-count. Arreola couldn’t even catch up with him let alone hit him and this is against a guy who backs straight up in retreat, his hands down by his pockets.
Arreola was in dreadful physical condition but more importantly he was someone who couldn’t possibly have put in enough hours to master the craft of boxing because if you won’t run hard or do enough sit-ups and other conditioning to at least look as fit as Riddick Bowe in his prime don’t tell me about how hard you’ve been working on your boxing skills.
Bernard Hopkins spoke to this point a week before the fight, lumping Arreola in with so many other young fighters who are pushed along by managers and promoters into fights they are ill prepared for. They are aided and abetted in committing a fraud upon the public and, worse, themselves by trainers who either don’t know how to teach a young fighter or have no interest in risking their employment by making clear to him he isn’t working had enough nor learning fast enough to compete at boxing’s most intense levels.
So, again, what was he crying about? Most observers felt these were tears of remorse for having failed in his effort after long years of working to reach this moment. Well, had he worked as hard as he could that would be both noble and understandable.
But take one hard look at Arreola not through the rose-colored glasses of his supporters or media advocates who should have known better but through the hard eyes of one who goes by what he sees not what he wishes. Cristobal Arreola may be a hale fellow but he is not a student of boxing.
He refused to put in the time to train his body adequately to look like a heavyweight but far more importantly the larger message is he didn’t put in the time to learn his trade. Boxing is a difficult work place, arguably the most difficult and demanding in sports. Even its greatest practitioners eventually pay a price of pain and loss. But if they have done all they can there’s nothing really to cry about except, perhaps, lost opportunity.
There was no shame in Cristobal Arreola’s tears. They at least show on the night of the fight he cared. The shame is that he didn’t care enough when it counted most, which was in the long months and years that led him to the Staples Center in Los Angeles and an appointment with someone who is not a great heavyweight by any measure but who is a professional.
This day and age, that alone can win you a lot of fights, especially in the heavyweight division.
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Tex:
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Did you just say that Vitali Klitschko can't fight? Maybe you want to ask Lennox Lewis about that...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 12:05:55 PM
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Jay:
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Not that it undermines the article, but there should be mention that Arreola got the fight on short notice because of the Hayefaker's chicanery. He had no business walking around at 290 anyway, but who's to say he wouldn't have already dropped 35 pounds before camp started if he signed the fight under different circumstances?
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 12:23:29 PM
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Pedro:
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Nothing better demonstrates why Ron Borges is one of the best and savviest boxing writers on the scene.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 12:47:46 PM
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no doubt Chris got his butt kicked saturday night,.. but after watching the bout several times,... it's clear to see that Chris was "bothering" big Klits who was nearly pushed to the limit,..Vitali had to fight harder than he did against Peters and Gomez put together,.. and the jiggling Areola tagged Vitali more that any fight of his comeback... doesn't mean much because Vitali's win was a dominant one,.. I think if Chris had the same big bone structure of Vitali,.. he would have won on determination alone,..(of course that's a big fantastical if),.. Vitali had a much deeper reservoir of energy than I expected and it's too his credit that he's got a champions mentality,.. but Vitali although dominant was pushed hard,.. he's already talking about retiring in 2010,... that said Ron is right about the need for Chris to really prepare himself like real fighter do....
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 12:55:53 PM
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John Milion:
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Learn something about boxing next time you write an article. Vitali can't box? He has only lost a handful of rounds in his entire career. He would probably kill a glorified cruiserweight like Smokin' Joe in a couple of rounds. No wonder the HW division is dead in America with hacks proclaiming how bad it is. Those Klitschkos get 10 million euros per fight without PPV and are big in Europe.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:00:34 PM
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TooDiesel:
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I feel Ron's right about Arreola, but dead wrong about Vitali. Joe Frazier may well have hit Vitali, but considering Vitali's 250 lbs and tough, and Frazier weighed around 200 lbs, I'm not sure how much of an effect Frazier's left hook would have had on Vitali's "squash", or even if he could get within range to slip one in.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:04:49 PM
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Arturo:
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I stopped reading this article when the author mentioned that Klitscho can't fight.What a horrible comment to make about a world champion.Arreola has to stop eating like a pregnant woman and get a new corner.His trainer kept on telling him to do the same over and over that's why he would take a beating every single round.Vitali did a good job by staying away from the power punching Arreola.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:05:06 PM
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Teacher:
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Wow, this is a very honest piece. I agree with the gentlemen that wrote it. Take care guys.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:05:29 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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Nice piece, Superfightwriter Ron B. Of I agree with it !00 percent. On the night in question, neither Cris or Dr. K could fight. But the game is called boxing and neither one could do that on any night. They did look like two-no-boxing-and-no-fighting bums. But I hoped that Cris was the better bum on that night. And I was believing that injured-proned, sore-bones Klits would injured himself in the ring again, and quit as he did in his bout with Chris Byrd. I'm glad that you brought it out that neither ARE the class of the game that have been lost on these heavyweight-fighting bums. As they say in boxing, "Klitschko stinks," and so does Cris, but he can hit, if he can catch you. These posers, faders, know nothings, $hit-talking crusaders and fakers are ready to attack any reader that speaks the truth and know the game. They attacked reader Pete Steward big time for calling both fighters bums. And Pete was a pretty decent pro and a standout amateur who, was the only to beat three great HOFers in the amateurs. The hardcore haters in this TSS Universe will not accept being educated about the game. They just want to huff and buff and blow that bad breath from those smelly grills. We live in the age of nano-second information and verification. And these jokers just fib and make-believe and go wild-herd running and postal when they are correctly inform. One can go to the record books and amateur archives and see that Pete Steward was a bad muthafudger. During 1976, the United States had five or six Lightwelter in the world amateur ranking who could have won the Olympic. Ray Leonard, who won it, was ranked number three, the Cuban, whom he beat was number one. Pete Steward was ranked number two. Ronny Shields was number four, Bruce Curry, a former world title belt holder and the older brother of ex-two-division champion Don Curry, was ranked fifth, and U.S. Marine Corps George Haynes was ranked sixth. Any way, like the saying goes, "If it doesn't kill you, hopefully you learned something." I hope that Cris did. The heavyweight division is so weak that that night was there for Cris. All he needed was to have been in the gym a bit more and had a team that would have had him there. He needs a trainer and a condition coach who don't let him run the show. And would have been up in his grill working Cris a$$ off to kill. The killer instinct is a great need of any pugilist. Too many of todays' boxers and fighters just don't develop it, because they are soft from hard living and easy training and telling their trainers how to work them out. And the general public is being conned. Holla!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:06:29 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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And yea! Pete Steward was a archmaster in boxing and fighting Russians, he never lost to one. Doc V.K is an architype of their sorry style. Pete mastered beating them down. Maybe Team Arreola should seek a rematch and hire Pete. Any way, the most important thing for Cris Arreola is conditioning and an-arsh-kicking, not-no-shit-or-back-talk trainers. Holla!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:13:54 PM
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Brainbashedbritboy:
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Wrote to perfection Mr Borges, Arreola was and always will be a pretender to the Champions of the Heavyweight division, Hatton was always slated for being overweight between fights, Arreola is overweight all the time, including fight time. Yeah the guy can absorb some punishment but thats it, banging out journeymen wont make you a champion...as we all knew,and those that didnt sure found out last Saturday. Sad thing is Arreola is getting more coverage after been dismantled than Vitali is for showing how supreme he was. Neither Klitchko brothers have the most entertaining style but they execute it well, theyre always in shape, gentleman like towards their opponents,,,and deserve some credit for their ownership of the division in such a way.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:35:51 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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This article is RUBBISH and I wish I could have back the time I spent reading it.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:38:57 PM
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bill major:
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you are right on both counts ron.the guy was disgustingly out of shape.i new he wasnt going to be in shape when his supposed
conditioner guy said that his weight didnt matter just the exercise regime and what he is is what he is... BS! he was so out of shape he couldnt get out of the way .look at smoking joe when he fought ali the first and 2nd times.he was ripping .thats what these guys dont do ,train,they think because their heavyweights that they can come in any weight they want.makes me sick. these guys sticking up for him havent been around long enough to have seem the heavies from the hunger days when they didnt get the money the make now.its really bad.arreola dont even seem to know that. jesus..... and klitchko,i was saying that the other day .he is dedicated enough just not a great fighter. i mean he shoulkd have ko'd this guy instead he acted like arreola had the plague. its terrible.floyd mayweather? DONT GET ME STARTED!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:45:54 PM
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Gary:
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I'm sorry, but Vitali Klitschko can fight. And so can Arreola. The guy was not just surviving. If he was so woefully out of shape, he'd have been stopped much earlier. Not every fighter looks like a prime Holyfield. Arreola was game all night long, but was simply in with a master technician. Yes, a master technician. Klitschko is awkward but highly skilled. If we wasn't, he'd have been exposed by now. Please don't be controversial just for the sake of inciting controversy. I give credit to these two fighters.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:49:19 PM
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Frank Z:
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Why are people getting sensitive at saying vitali can't fight? the dude's got no mobility or flexibility in his upperbody and he's really limited in the punches that he throws. of course it works for him cause his opponents just stand there and either don't move or just walk straight forward, but he was lucky to catch lennox lewis at the tail end of his career and coming into the fight out of shape, and even then it was still a legit stoppage cause lennox threw a punch with intent to hurt and opened up the gash. sure vitali was up on points at the time but with a cut like that who knows what the blood and vision impairment would have done to him in the later rounds, he might have eventually quit on his stool like he did against byrd. i take borges comment about vitali not being able to fight as compared to the top HWs of the past, a prime lennox lewis, riddick bowe, tyson, not to mention all the heavys of the 60s and 70s. borges is also right about arreola, his camp will say that you don't need to look like a bodybuilder to be in shape, which is true, but neither did folks like joe frazier, archie moore or rocky marciano, but nobody would dispute that they were in shape when they were in the ring. you don't have to have a rippling 6 pack but you sure as hell shodln't look like you're a burger away from being on The Biggest Loser either. that's arreola's appeal though, he looks like the everyman who loves to chump down and drink up, and yet can take care of business in the ring, or so we thought, and his mexican american background had almost everything else to do with his push to contender status before he was ready. that was the main marketing scheme behind chris going into the fight.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 01:50:35 PM
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Sebastien:
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I agree with Borges. I mean seriously: this is your full time job, lazy bum, do you expect you're going to become a champ by working 2 months here, 2 months there.
Love handles should simply not be seen on a world championship caliber fighter, period. I don't care about your genetics.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 02:06:59 PM
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GOAT:
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Amen brother, Frank Lo had the gaul to compare this fight with PBF/Marquez. At least Marquez can fight and he trained hard for the fight. Aereola can't fight, point blank. An old James Toney would have beat him last weekend. He can't fight!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 02:33:51 PM
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kountedout:
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yes i second that Amen brotha frank lo, good article. what you said about arreola is true all the way. he can't fight.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 02:40:15 PM
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Louis:
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I wonder what Borges would say about Doug Fischer's ridiculous comments that Vitali would beat prime George Foreman and Mike Tyson.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 02:42:09 PM
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U. Zemp:
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Well, fact is the Klitschkos are dominating the scene – recently I have not seen anybody who is able (or willing and serious enough) to change that. You can hardly blame them for this. Are they great fighters? – truth is, we simply don’t know – yet.
How come you ask? It’s a fundamental problem and goes far beyond boxing. It has something to do how a German trained athlete works. It’s never about a few big points, never about heroism, never about emotion ... it’s just about winning. It’s that simple. And I’m not just talking about the boxer, I’m talking about the management behind him. And that’s where it all starts. Pick the right opponent. Keep an eye on the details. In Klitschko’s case this means look for a slow, smaller built (very important) opponent – preferably not too fit and not too fast– you have to consider Klitscho’s age. Pick the right place for the fight and if a challenger comes along who doesn’t fit into your picture scare him away with an awful contract. Then prepare your own man as good as possible. No laziness there, once again- you cannot blame them for this (... talking about the laziness, I mean).
But it’s not a foolproof system -- remember Chambers against Dimitrenko a few weeks ago – if your guy doesn’t do his homework like Dimitrenko (same management like Klitschko) he get punched down. Dimitrenko didn’t got the same protection like the two big-players from Ukraina – and he had to dance with this little fast guy, and he lost the lead in this tango quiet fast – because he refused to learn what Vladimir and Vitali did a long time ago.
So, are the Klitschko fighters --- lets wait and see until somebody comes along who matches their physically numbers and professionalism. A clever management behind him would hurt either.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 02:48:56 PM
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Mike M:
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You made some good points but blew it denigrating VK. My favorite heavyweight was Joe Frazier but to think Joe would be able to knock out VK for a 20 second count is a joke. VK has alot more going for him than just showing up in shape. To say VK has limited athleticism is an insult. His kickboxing career also gives him an added dimension that makes him very difficult to hit. He may look awkward but he has serious skills and it is ignorant at this point to keep criticizing him. No doubt Joe fought in a great era with great heavyweights like Ali, Foreman, Quarry, Norton, etc. Both Klitschko brothers and Lennox would have fit in nicely and been competitive with all of those guys at the least.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 03:03:52 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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Hahahahahaha! Be nice, Fistic Fury! It is just an opinion from a spoiled-on-seeing-great-heavyweight-boxing journalist who has seen the greatest of the great heavyweights in action from the 1960s to the 1990s. Wow! Back then, these guys were cut and could get down. Eastern Bloc fighters like Vitali and Wlad were rulers in amateur boxing. Superfightwriter Ron B is not use to the style of Vitali. Trust me, Vitali doesn't have a pro style of what American are use to. Around the globe, amateur and pro boxing rule. In these United States, most people, especially fightwriters, prefer the Cleveland Williamses, Sonny Listons, Rocky Marcianos, Joe Louises, even Henry Coopers, Muhammad Alis, Gerry Cooneys, Joe Fraziers, George Chavaloes, Kenny Nortons, Jerry Ouarrys, Larry Holmes, George Foremans, Lennox Lewises, Michael Tysons, Evander Holyfields and even big screen fake boxers Apollo Creed, Clubber Lang and Rocky Balboa. You know to many AmerKanos, Dr. Vitali K. looks too much like the "Big, bad, Russian who killed Apollo Creed. Any way, I was just hollering those pointers, not defending Ron B. He is da man and needs no defense. Holla!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 03:11:35 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite@TooDiesel:
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Wow! Smokin' Joe Frazier knocked out 6-foot-5, 270-pound Buster Mathis. Trust Fightwriter Ron B! If Smokin' Joe and Doc Vitali K would have been in the same era, KABOOM! Joe Frazier would have knocked out the Doc for a two-day count. Ron B is getting generous in his golden years. Joe Quarry would have kayoed the Doc. Even a B+ boxer named Ron Stander, from back in the day, would have destroyed the doc. I'd even take Gerry Cooney and Daune Bobick finishing him off in record time. The game, especially at heavy has weakened. The whup-a$$ cut-up heavies of yesteryears would the ring off, went to the body and win in record time. Maybe a few seconds or a minute of two of the first round. Holla!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 03:36:56 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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*Jerry Quarry...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 03:38:24 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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*would cut off the ring...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 03:40:03 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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I just think nostalgia is rearing its ugly head again. What makes anyone think that Vitali would be knocked out early by ANY FIGHTER EVER? There is nothing to support this theory. Yes all the fighters mentioned are great fighters but I have seen nothing in Klitschko's past career to suggest he would be overwhelmed by their punches and knocked out, infact whilst I totally respect Radam G's opinion and to a lesser degree Borges's I think Klitschko would beat all the fighters you've listed and that includes Frazier who although powerful and effective was way too small and ridiculously one dimensional... slip slip, bob, left hook. slip slip, bob, left hook, and repeat and repeat... I know this will sound almost like blasphemy to some fight fans but its my honest opinion...
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 04:25:49 PM
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mrricardez:
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with his swollen face, cris kind of looks like curly from the 3 stooges here.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 05:52:55 PM
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dragon:
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vitali klitschko would have dominated the 70's,80's,90's thats a fact.
little heavyweights beating the klitschkos lol.
seems to me that patriotism is clouding peoples judgement,
some of you guys sound outright delusional
both klitschkos would have ko'd riddick bowe,mike tyson.
americans are not the best anymore.
if the russians were allowed to fight pro in the past they would of had some champs in the past.
the eastern block pro style is smarter and better than the american pro style.
none of your heros from the usa would have been able to beat the klitschkos.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 06:06:02 PM
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dr3r42:
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I'd take what Borges says with a grain of salt. This is the same guy who "retired" from the Boston Globe after getting suspended for plagiarism. He also made a fool out of himself covering the New England Patriots after he ripped into Bill Belichek for benching Borges' buddy Drew Bledsoe and replacing him with Tom Bradey. Three Super Bowls later .... The guy knows about as much about boxing as he does about football, which is nill.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 06:15:40 PM
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Reality Check :
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LOL. Borges and Bert Sugar are typical of the American mentality in sports journalism. The Klitschkos are supremely talented and conditioned and would be major players in ANY hw era. Anyone who disagrees is a just a plain hater...end of story.
BTW, Vitali would put prime both Frazier and Foreman in the morgue. Vitali feasts on aggressive fighters cause he counter so well. These goofballs saying Vitali doesn't have a wide array of punches need to watch a little bit more closely. Vitali can punch with either hand and delivers from every angle...and can do it while he's moving. He's great at turning his opponent and coming accross with the right hand.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 07:04:58 PM
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Borges, ya lost me. You far overstate your case about Arreola - he has finally started to condition himself, but it was too big a jump. He didn't have the experience to get inside VK's varied movement and attack. He learned a lesson, and it remains to be seen whether he capitalizes on his strength, aggression, and two-fisted instincts. As for VK can't fight - buddy, lay off the Ambien before typing. He would have been a handful for anyone in history. He has lost very few rounds in his whole career. Even accounting for the relative weakness of the division, this is a genuine near-great heavyweight, who is only getting better, with an unconventional but varied and flexible set of offensive and defensive skills. I think you should re-read the article and consider an apology to TSS readers for this piece of shoddy, sloppy hyperbole.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 07:18:39 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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Wow! How many times must we hear a robot say what happened to Superfighter Ron B at Boston Globe. I'm reminded of "Lost in Space." "Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! Danger!" Danger! This is cyberspace. "Plagiarism" has nothing to do with the knowledge of the hurt bitnezz and an opinion on a boxer. Be like reader Fistic Fury, respectful and cool. No need to attack the character of a fightwriter or reader. I guess robots are perfect. If d_____ were human, it will be, "He who has not sin, cast the first stone!" Robots are non-approachable. MFG! Rock throwers come a dime a dozen. Talk about boxing, and quit the character assassinations. What have you done lately? Holla!
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 07:18:53 PM
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dr3r42:
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I thought we had a deal not to talk to each other. But yes, after thinking it over, no one's perfect and I apologize, the comment was out of line and a cheap shot by me. However, I will question his knowledge, he's a journalism major, who I doubt's ever played a sport in his life and like most sports writers, they think everyone today sucks (regardless or the sport) and everyone in the past can do everything.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 08:25:09 PM
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dr3r42:
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There- there's your apology, now leave me alone.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 08:32:28 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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You don't have to be a boxer to write about boxing. You don't have to run a Fortune 500 company to teach business. Nor do you need to be an English professor to recognize hyperbole. Mortcola is right. Borges not only overstates his case but, in doing so, undermines the credibility of his more legitimate positions. And Radam, you have to recognize the inherent hypocrisy of criticizing those who post who have never boxed... and at the same time staunchly defending Borges despite his never having done so. This is a flawed article. And no, it is not Borges's first nor will it be his last. And yes, his history does matter..... particularly when he resorts to sensationalism to castigate a fighter who makes his living in the ring. Much like Floyd, he draws attention to himself. He dares you to criticize him..... while all the while criticizing others. Fair enough.... but the consequence is being judged in the context of your own performance in your chosen ring; in his case journalism. As to the critique itself, I tend to agree regarding Chris Arreola, and have already said as much. As for Vitali, he fairly or unfairly can really only be judged in the context of the time in which he is fighting. And we all know that these are not the heavyweight division's glory years. My updated opinion of Vitali is that he has done the most with what is given. And for that he should be commended. As Arreola should be criticized... precisely for the reasons Borges stated.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 09:57:41 PM
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Anonymous user:
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your a joke, never again going to read any other articles from this moran. just writes this to create drama.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 10:45:26 PM
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Eman:
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Outstanding article, in reality the Kilitzcho's aren't that good. They're just the only heavyweights in the division who are in shape. Yes, Vitali did give Lewis a run for his money but he was at the end of his career and came in out of shape. And yet, Vitali could not pull off the victory. Lewis too was over-rated; yes he boxed well and utilized an effective jab but he was not a complete fighter. Any of the old-school heavyweights (Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Louis, Norton, Holmes, and even Tyson in his prime) could stop him in 8 rounds or less; this includes all contemporary former and current heavyweight champions. The heavyweight divison should be re-named the Overweight division. Advice to all Overweight division fighters: get your fat $ on a treadmill.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:06:29 PM
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Isaiah:
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Mr. Borges, your opinion is your own and your entitled to it, but I severly disagree with your lacking assesment. Vital has skills a plenty and like others have said, would hold his own against anybody in any era. I'm not saying he automatically beats everyone, but he's nobody's pushover. The man is a beast and a highly skilled, granite chinned, huge powered one at that. Not to mention, you're probaly being a bit hard against Arreola there to. Chris has plenty of potential and if he disciplines himself, he will be a world champion when the Klitshckos are gone. I bet on it. By the way, hard to say Joe Frazier just destroys either of these brothers when the only guy he beat with the same caliber chin as Vitali is Ali and Frazier couldn't knock him down, but once and sure couldn't keep him down. Also Vitali has only went the distance once in his whole pro career against a Timo Haufmann or something like that, and that was a shutout! These aren't all bums on his resume either. Vitali CAN fight! Just ask guys he's beaten and KO'ed such as Herbie Hide, Ross Purity, Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Danny Williams, Samuel Peter, Juan Carlos Gomez, Chris Arreola, etc. It's a pretty dag on repectable resume. He can't fight huh? Bull.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 11:31:52 PM
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TEACHER:
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Why all this bickering, Ron Borges' job description with the publication that writes him a check is to observe and to write HIS opinion, he did, my question is, can Chris Areola fight at that level, did he belong in the same ring with a true athelete, just because this not a bodybuilding contest does not give Chris, HBO or the promoter the right to continously feed the public sh_t and telling us how good it was, you don't have to agree with Borges, but it's his job to write what he thinks, Chris Areola, if he honestly wants to continue boxing, needs to start learning his craft NOW, for that shot at another title that may come in eighteen months, not wait until eight weeks before the fight. What other changes depends on what is important to Chris, his health or his friendships.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:21:33 AM
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Arturo:
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Chris should be a stand up comic.He has a great PUNCHline.haha.He said Phelps can smoke weed, but that doesn't mean that he can eat like he don't care about his bOobs flopping all over his upper body every time he gets hit.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:50:01 AM
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mabii:
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Ron is one of the best writers in the game but I disagree with his viewpoints here. Firstly, Arreola got beat by a skilled heavyweight, not by his conditioning. He could not touch Klitchko because he had neither the size nor the type of skills that a young Mike Tyson had in being able to cut off the ring with a fast hard jab and head movement. He was in condition: he went 10 hard rounds against the top haevyweight in the world! he will never look like a prime Evander because he simply is not built like that. Klitchko can fight. He has one of the most akward and effective styles in the fight game and he can punch when he decides to. That makes hime very effective and in my opinion he would have given any heavyweight of any era a run for his money simply because of his size. Joe Frazier would not have done well against the mamoth heavyweights of this era because he would have been a "small" heavyweight and in my opinion despite his great battles with Ali was not as adept at slipping and hitting as a young Mike Tyson (not the later version). Look what happened when he fought a big George Foreman.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 04:13:16 AM
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VK and VK2 are a lot more than "the only heavyweights in shapre". VK2 has an extraordinary jab, patience, and accuracy. VK1 does something highly unusual for a power-punching, large heavyweight. He uses lots of angles and slippery upper-body movement. Not just to offer a moving target, but to slide away from punches he sees coming. He also snaps off quick counters whenever his opponent is a little off the mark. He looks clumsy when he does it, but you have to watch the intelligence of his technique, and see how it constantly adjusts to what is happening in the ring. It ain't ballet. And since it has produced the same overall results in almost every round of his professional career, it speaks for itself. This is a truly fine heavyweight. Maybe we can call him great if he caps his career with a gut-check-time domination of a more mature, top heavyweight. But that might never happen. So, let's just use some boxing savvy and pay attention to what he actually does in the ring.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 05:29:28 AM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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Imagination and anger sometime blind a person from comprehending. The only person, whom I spoke about his articles, was Fistic Fury. I guess a robotish reader believes that he has my attention. NOT! Stay on boxing, no need for character assassinating. Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. Paranoia is in the psyche of the exhorter of narrow views and dislike of individuality. Enough said. Holla!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:09:05 AM
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They (Klistkos) cannot fight! Did you see how awkward Vitali moved whenever Aereola came close to him ( he actually turned and ran a couple of times). Imagine someone with good footwork and pop in their punches fighting them. Someone said they would have dominated the 70''s 80's and 90's. I can't imagine them beating Larry Holmes yet lone Ali, He couldn't even beat an out of shape Lennox Lewis but I'm supposed to think he could beat a prime Foreman, Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Frazier, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Razor Rudduck, Ike Ibeabeuche, or any other heavyweight from the 70's, 80's, and 90's?
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:18:50 AM
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mortcola@goat:
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Goat - Hmmm. Maybe they can't fight. But let's find a new verb. What do you call someone who outfights all the fighters? Maybe we call it "splange". Even if you can't fight, you can splange, and be a champion, and beat all the guys who can "fight". All of them. And its nice you remember the great fighters of the past. All of whom lost, sometimes badly, and many of whom had whacky footwork at one time or another. Yes, either K-boy beats many of them. Competitive with any, except for Wlad's chin. Vitali outfought Lewis, who goes neck and neck with anyone on the list above. And watch some old tapes - think Lyle, Shavers, or Foreman had better movement, better defense, better adaptibility? Nostalgia is a powerful drug. VK is the first heavyweight in a while who belongs up there with the big boys of the past. His brother does too, except for the chin. Which just makes him interesting, not bad.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:50:23 AM
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Smiley C:
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I'm see what GOAT is talking about fo' sure!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:39:59 AM
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Matthew:
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I think Borges is a bit too harsh in this article. I wouldn't go so far as to say Arreola can't fight. Granted, he is a bit limited, but he does have some skills. I finally saw some head movement, at least in the first few rounds. It all goes back to conditioning and training, and Arreola has yet to learn the importance of staying in the gym between fights and not eating like garbage. There is no excuse for ballooning up to 290 lbs between fights. If you only fight twice a year, you're more likely to get out of condition. The best thing for him to do would be to get back in the gym in a couple weeks, and then fight every 2-3 months after that. Borges is right about one thing: the lack of trainers in the game today that really know how to teach. We will probably never see another Eddie Futch in this game, because the culture is different. Nowadays, people don't want to apprentice (as Freddie Roach and Ronnie Shields did) for a few years to learn their craft before they take on fighters of their own. People need to earn a living, and it's tough to do that when you are still learning. As for Vitali, I agree he is somewhat limited as well. At least he (and his brother) are always in top condition and fight to their strengths. It may not be captivating to watch, but it works for them.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 07:54:57 AM
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Free HBO spot:
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Arreola did not learn the trade because he does not have to. Al Haymon will call up his boy Kery Davis and he will get on HBO regardless. When you got that kind of connect why bust your ass to train? It is not like he has to earn a spot on the network. They just hand it to him.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 11:27:26 AM
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Ales:
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Borges is full of hate of Klitchos.
Borges is getting apathic becouse there is no sign of his fate to be fulfilled.
Arreloa is clearly worse fighter than Vitaly, but we will see how good he really is in a few years...if he can stay fit and take some lessons from this fight.
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:02:16 PM
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MIKE:
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THIS WRITER IS STUPID LOL VITALI CANT FIGHT AREEOLA DID BETTER TAHN PETER AND GOMEZ AND THEY WERE IN BETTER SHAPE AND HES SAYS CA WAS NOT IN SHAPE FINE HE COULD BE IN BETTER SHAPE BUT HE DIDNT GET KNOCKED DOWN AND HE WAS STILL COMING FORWARD IN THE TENTH ROUND DOEST LOOK LIKE A FIGHTER WHOS TIRED TO ME WRITER IS STUPID
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 12:58:48 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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Wow! My last word on this subject. First, of all, many people have a herd mentality and will bond with whatever is popular in the here and now. They worship heroes, who are sometimes zeroes, because herd-mentality posers and faders suffer from peer pressure and lack high-self-esteem and high confidence of social skillings and individuality. They are the go-along-to-get-along person, who will always try to bully one into falling off a cliff, because everybody else who is ratbrained is following the pied piper. Superfighter Ron B is a highly sucessful award-winning journalist because he paid the cost to be the boss, the price to have it nice and became the cream of the crop, which always rises to the top. Fistic Fury, a darn good -- NO! A darn great looking -- pugilistic prospect has done the same in his chosen profession, so though he doesn't agree with a person, he is all about civility, decorcum and respect. Reader Pete Steward, who was one superbad boxing mutha back in da day, is similar because he's been there, and done that. Other readers like da Don, Real Talk, GOAT, AFN, Fe'Roz, Ali, Anony -- when he's not manic, Rudy, ex-U.S. Navy boxer B-Sug, Arturo, Matthew, DaveB, Bobby C, Smiley C, Mortcola, Roast, Teacher, Frank Z, of course MisterLee, and a few other reader regs, who I cannot think of right now -- I got a brain freeze all up in my grill trying to knock me off the high hill -- are all mountain toppers and conquerors. They have been to the mountain top of success and sports. They don't, nor need to, exhibit herd-mentality cesspool behavior toward fightwriters or fightreaders. Dudes with tudes, and epigonous nut-soldiers on your crusade of chaos and dumb, you guys ought to follow their examples. Or maybe start chilling and quit illing. Holla!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 01:16:57 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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Wow! My brain freeze froze out me mention #1 PacFan. And that is looking bad, because a sucka or two up in this Universe because that he is really me, lmfao! Pinoy__da Majesty and ricky with hats on, nasaan kayong namang! (That translates to where are you guys.) You know the challenged Pac-haters and faders believe that you guys are me too. Gosh, it must be because of all the stereotypes about Asians being so brainy, poetic and exotic. Holla!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 01:29:41 PM
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Radam G, a most humble PacManite:
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***believes that he is really...
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 01:30:55 PM
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kateche:
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r u crazy?!who said that Vitaliy can't fight?do U want to fight him?TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 06:13:45 PM
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robbo:
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Once again borges demonstrates his hallucinogenic thoughts . Someone put borges in the ring he needs a boxing lesson ..JAKE ROSSEN AND RON BORGES the 2 writing clowns
Thursday Oct 1, 2009 08:56:06 PM
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MNboxingFAN - Sean :
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This article says everything my father and I thought about the fight. Haven't heard Ron Borges name for awhile. I think I've seen him do some television commentary in the past. It was refreshing to hear his take. I thought he couldn't have said any better! Thanks Ron!
Friday Oct 2, 2009 12:14:31 AM
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kountedout:
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you think ron borges is to rough on arreola, what do you think arreola do good? i give him heart. you can't win fights with just heart alone. what happen to having skills.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 09:48:52 PM
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Steve:
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I gotta admit Borges is one of the best boxing writers out there. But the title of this article . . .hmmm. ,aybe he's stirring the pot a bit. I mean, I agree that Cris is not yet top-tier world class, but he can fight and has a solid amatuer background. He just needs a few more years in the gym and to not be moved along so fast . . VK is/was too much too soon.
Saturday Oct 3, 2009 08:00:40 PM
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The Saint:
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For the longest time I've been a Klitschko hater, but I can no longer deny Vitali's greatness. The ONLY thing wrong with him is that he's awkward. You can criticize his form and technique but I strongly suggest you start looking at the RESULTS of his bad form. This guy isn't some murderous puncher who blows out his opponents in 3 rounds. He is consistent, he dissects his foes and he doesn't lose any more rounds than a prime Roy Jones did. He picks his opponents apart. He hardly gets hit and he stops 98% of his opponents. That's pure skill. He's not the only fighter in history to have enjoyed a significant size advantage over his opponents, and he isn't even the biggest heavyweight who has ever fought, but he has made the most out of it. He has the height and reach, but he also has the footwork, ring smarts and excellent judgment to go with it. The heavyweight division today is weak, and Klitschko dominates it easily because he's obviously in a league of his own, just like a prime Mike Tyson, who peaked during another weak era. He wasn't the first heavyweight to possess that kind of punching power. There's a handful of other heavyweights who on a one-punch basis, probably hit harder than Mike. But it wasn't just power that made Mike near invincinble in his prime. He had the timing, speed, reliable enough chin and a level of ring intelligence that separated him from your typical KO artist. Certainly, Vitali is a limited fighter, just as Mike Tyson was. However, for all of their so called limitations, only the most gifted fighters in history are capable of exposing them. I see a prime Tyson losing to only 3 or 4 of the heavyweight greats, and I see Vitali losing to even less than that. At the end of the day, it's all speculation and subjective. But nobody can deny that Vitali has dominated his division just like a prime Ali, Tyson, Holmes and Joe Louis did, not so much in the number of successful title defenses, but in the perceived superiority Vitali has over every heavyweight today.
Tuesday Oct 6, 2009 10:29:13 AM
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pj:
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Well said...
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Fast Eddie Lands In Germany, Says He'll Land The Shots To Upset Wlad
"An upset is possible in this as I could see Chambers boxing his way to a UD or SD, but I expect the much more likely scenario of a TKO in favor of Wlad in the middle to late rounds, in fact, I'd probably go with TKO in the 8th." --TSS reader Isaiah give Chambers a chance to get the upset win (photo by Jan Sanders)
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