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Thursday Sep 24, 2009

Kellerman has been slammed by media critics and some non fans as being too Max-centric. He for sure can be New York brash, but the announcer showed a self critical and humble side to TSS.

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MORE MAX: Kellerman Explains Postfight Skirmish With Floyd

By Michael Woods

Mostly because of Floyd Mayweather's virtuosic performance, and partly because Juan Manuel Marquez was in over his head wearing a lead life jacket, Saturday's pay per view boxing contest featured less drama--faaar less drama--than an episode of Keeping Up With The Kardashians. That's not to equate it with reality show dreck--Floyd's skills, we saw, are intact, and his layoff did nothing to lessen his light as the premier pugilist currently practicing. I thought we'd see at least some competitive rounds, if for no other reason that Floyd tends to take long portions of rounds of as he scouts his man and assesses weakness, but that was not to be. It was not until the post-fight postmortem, with Floyd talking to HBO's Max Kellerman, that we saw Mayweather truly tested, and in fact, tagged.

If you didn't see the bout then, or flipped off the tube before Mayweather vs. Kellerman, here's what went down.

Max started off in complimentary fashion, asking, "Better than that, how?" after Floyd said that he could've performed better in the scrap. Then things took a turn. No surprise, as Mayweather had almost guaranteed things wouldn't go smoothly with the HBO announce crew when during fight week he publicly blasted Larry Merchant and Manny Steward as being clueless about boxing and an Uncle Tom, respectively, and then chose to not participate in sit-downs with the team prior to the bout. Mayweather thanked one sponsor, Reebok and "all the sponsors that sponsored the fight," and Kellerman then tried to curtail a plugfest.

"Let's not do any commercials," he said. Floyd said he had to, because "that's seven figures."

The dynamic had shifted, from tainted to toxic, but the interview was still salvageable. And Kellerman tried. He asked about Mayweather's purchase of a weight advantage, the 11th hour contract switcheroo which saw Mayweather refuse to weigh in at the pre-arranged 144 or under limit and instead set a 146 pound limit for himself, in exchange for a settlement to Marquez, for $600,000. Lord knows, the question needed to be asked, as fight fans were abuzz about the weight issue which popped up the day before the fight, when Mayweather stepped on the scale, weighed 146 pounds, and we all wondered about the regulations for the fight, wondered if what we'd been told about a 144 pound catchweight was BS. Floyd didn't think so. "I'm not here to talk about money," the boxer said, 60 seconds after he talked about money. "What about weight?" Kellerman asked, re-phrasing the query. The fighter offered a bland "I'm happy with the victory" and a shoutout to the fans. Then Kellerman's patience, seemingly, wore thinner. "It seems that you perceive questions like that as being negative when in fact we just really want to know. It was a spectacular performance," Max said, "and people are curious about the weight, you don't want to address it all?"

"I'm here to talk about my victory, that's in the past, I'm ready to move on to bigger and better things," Floyd said, and Max answered, "I'll take that as a no." This may have been Floyd's breaking point. Kellerman veered towards the sarcastic there, and in no way can I blame him for that show of frustration, considering the state of the Mayweather/HBO production team relationship. The sparring continued, and then escalated, when Shane Mosley came into the ring. He was part of one of the promotional parties, Golden Boy, and thus had a reason for being present, if not injecting himself so forcefully into the proceedings. Mosley came towards Mayweather, and Floyd waved him closer. Floyd said that he'd let his management team figure out if it made sense to make a fight with Mosley. Mosley asked for a shot, and then his boy Bernard Hopkins, also part of the Golden Boy crew, chimed in. All parties were now bunched together, and Kellerman looked a tad nervous. For good reason--who knew if Floyd's pal Triple H would go all WWE on Hopkins, or a Riddick Bowe possemember would club someone with a cell phone? Max tried to play peacemaker, and brokered a handshake between Floyd and Shane. Floyd was clearly miffed that his spotlight was being stolen and jawed at Mosley not to disrespect him. Max tried to change the subject. A good move, one that works when you have a screaming two year old amid a meltdown, or squawking pugilists jockeying for position on a money train down the line. "Manny Pacquiao, I thought that would get your attention..," Max began, to get Floyd's gaze off Mosley and Hopkins. It worked, and why wouldn't it; that's why Floyd took the Marquez fight, to offer a contrast to Pacquiao, who was life and death with Marquez twice. Kellerman started to go into that school of thought, and brought up the selection of Marquez as a foe. But Mayweather, perhaps still flustered because Mosley and Hopkins were in his space, took the microphone from Kellerman. "I'm going to do the talking because you do too much talking," Mayweather said, irked. Max, not willing to get into a tug o war with the fighter, threw it back to Lampley.

At the time, I was disappointed. Why'd Max do it? Here, finally, after 12 rounds of technical wizardry but a severe lack of risk-taking and drama, was the collision we'd been promised. Two titans were trading, and just like that, the plug was pulled.

I took Max to task at the time, chiding him for cancelling the compelling faceoff prematurely. But the next day I realized I hadn't considered all the angles. What it, for instance, a producer was talking in Max's ear, telling him to wrap it up, because of time constraints. So I reached out to the announcer, and got his recollection of the fight after the fight, and his analysis of where things went awry, and why.

In a phoner, Kellerman offered his take.

When Mosley came over, and then Hopkins started talking, was when "I felt it started to get out of control," he told TSS.

HBO was ready for such an eventuality, as Kellerman and producers were aware that with Floyd's fightweek barbs and refusal to step on HBO's unofficial scale, the fighter was not feeling a great deal of fondness for Team HBO. "There was a sensitivity to it getting out of control in the ring," he allowed.

Kellerman, in talking to me, was surprisingly self-critical of his handling of the interview. "Floyd's perception is 'This guy won't let me talk' and on replay I can see what he means," he said. "It's not like he wasn't justified."

But, Max said, once Mayweather took the mike from him, he felt he had no choice but to push the auto-eject button. "What am I supposed to do? The announcer has to at least have the mike."

In a different time, under a different circumstance, he said, perhaps he'd try and pull the mike back. But not then, with a rumble threatening to explode. "But Floyd was agitated, and watching the tape (the day after) I see his point,"Kellerman said.

So, then. What did Kellerman, who frankly--and refreshingly--presents himself as a work in progress, take from this butting-of-heads? He said he'll tighten up in his interviewing, not lob yes and no questions, ask shorter queries and help the fighter feel respected, a wise element considering they've just engaged in life or death combat for 36 minutes.

I've been a fan of Mayweather postfight, always really. He's typically humble, and gentlemanly. But on this night, the fans deserved to get some questions answered. Hell, they still do. Floyd hasn't sufficiently explained why he wanted/needed to weigh two pounds over the agreed-upon catchweight. If I had laid a bet down on the fight two weeks ago, I think I deserved to know why he bought those two pound, and when he decided he was going to get the contract amended. I think Max is bending over backwards to see his culpability in this skirmish, and I think he's taking too much blame. Floyd was non responsive and slippery from the start, and Max was well within his bounds to be more aggressive in his questioning. Mayweather fumbled on his handling of his rib injury, and his purchase of a poundage advantage, not to mention those problems with the IRS he denied to the heavens existed, which we know now did indeed exist. Advisor Leonard Ellerbe in no uncertain terms denied, as did Mayweather, that the fighter and the Taxman were beefing. "Floyd Mayweather does not have a problem with the IRS," Ellerbe told the AP in July. "He doesn't owe the IRS $6.1 million ... I don't (care) what a lien says. When you have a problem with them, you ain't hard to find -- ask Wesley Snipes. You go to jail, they come take your (stuff). He doesn't have a problem." Mayweather himself was adhering to that story last week. No one has been able to pin Mayweather down on these unanswered situations, and Kellerman was in the mode of hard-nosed journalist. It would've been easier to gloss over the weight issue, or frame the question in a softball fashion so Floyd could smack it out of the park, and in this day and age, we see too many examples of broadcasters going this route. Kellerman didn't. And I would have liked to see more of it.


LAST WORD ON MAYWEATHER WIN In retrospect, should we all have made more of Floyd's dismantling of the a boxer that was regarded as the third-best pugilist on the planet? It may well be that Mayweather is of such rarified talent, that he is too skilled for his opposition, and thus he makes it all look too easy, causing critics to overlook his true worth. Roy Jones at his apex also made it look so easy, and removed any element of drama from his bouts, so that it was easy to dismiss the validity of his foes. Of course, we will know more about this Mayweather win as we assess Marquez in his next outing. We'll know then if some of the  holes in JMM's game that some saw widening in his February bout against Juan Diaz made it that much easier for Mayweather to have his way with the Mexican from bell to bell.

Now, it must be mentioned that with Floyd's track record of signing on against foes with notable deficiencies in their game, rather than the acknowledged best and brightest of the day, lobbying for him as an all-time bright light is that much harder. Why didn't he seek out Kostya Tszyu, and Miguel Cotto when they were at or near their peak? Sure enough, he did take on Jose Luis Castillo at his peak, in April 2002, Floyd-as-an-alltime-great boosters will say, and we know how that went. Floyd won an ultra-controversial decision. Why, though, didn't he take on Hatton before the Hitman's marksmanship skills slipped? If Floyd truly believes in his heart that he is all that, why wasn't he throwing the gauntlet into the 147 pound ring, and challenging a "bigger" man, Antonio Margarito, in the midst of his ascent? Floyd and his team remind us now and again that they see the sport as a business, that pride is immaterial, that bragging rights are the stuff of a journeyman, not an artiste. All well and good. But could he not have made the moolah and spoke to his desired legacy by gloving up against the more-feared Margarito (someone who might press him in the way Castillo did) instead of the game but limited Baldomir? The Argentine was fortunate to meet and beat a distracted Zab Judah and playing-out-the-string Arturo Gatti, and burnish his reputation more than his talent really deserved, so Floyd's choice of him as an opponent wasn't as universally and vehemently derided as perhaps it could have been.

To kick back into the "Floyd doesn't get maybe as much credit as he deserves" gear, even if he had called out Shane Mosley in say 2006, and downed Mosley, he quite likely would have handled "Sugar" in such a fashion that people would have decided Mosley had declined decidedly from his peak.  And if Floyd had set upon Paul Williams before Williams was caught on an off night against Carlos Quintana, if Floyd had dissected LTP, wouldn't the default reaction have been, "Williams ain't all that?"

Still, if Floyd had sought out and taken down several of those fighters, he could more plausibly make his claim to rightful inclusion into the "Sugar Rays" pantheon. There is still time for him to seek out foes who will help him build his case as a legend destined to be remembered 50-75-100 years from now. Fight Mosley, then the Pacman/Cotto winner, then Paul Williams, and then hop up to middleweight, and call out the most celebrated 160 pounder. In the next 18 months. It's doable...if he wants to actually work towards shoring up his rep re: his status all-time among the majority of fight fans. Floyd fanatics think moving to 160 is asking too much? Really? Of a man who insists he should be a pound for pound top fiver, or better? A guy who walks around at 160? A guy who does actually have a helluva chin, that he ever has to really use it,  and could handle a middleweight punch? But I suspect that because he fights in a manner which ensures that his opponent has less than a handful of chances when he is out of position, and hittable, Mayweather will continue to fight  drama-free bouts, twice a year, one-sided affairs which leave the loser looking less competent than they actually are.

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Isaiah:  I saw this interview and I'm not a Floyd fan, but read this well because this is the only time I'm typing this. Max is a great announcer, but he was in the wrong when he wouldn't let Floyd talk after a few questions. Floyd gave his usual B.S. anwsers to the first lineup of questions and then Max bogarded the microphone like it was oxygen. When stuff started getting intense, I can't blame Max for being a little nervous. Besides being surrounded by fake-a## Triple H, Max had a PO'ED Floyd Mayweather, Shane Mosley and Bernard Hopkins breathing down his kneck. Shoot, I'd be on edge too and ready for someone just to start throwin down. In the end, the only two guys who really mattered for the future reference in this is Floyd and Shane. Both acted unprofessional. Floyd can't anwser one dang on question straight up and seemed scared of Shane while Shane was bein a real A-hole. Hard to blame Shane though for being ticked off. H'e s earned the right. Don't care who called out who "YESTERDAY". This is 2009 and it's time this fight is made!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:13:51 AM
Fistic Fury:  Kellerman is right to be self critical for two reasons, 1, he comes across as one of the most sarcastic smug men on television today and that's saying something. There has been times when even I have wanted to put my foot through my flatscreen so it doesn't bare thinking about what Floyd wants to do to him. The second reason is why throw back to Lampley? Max was trying to get answers unsuccessfully, then when Floyd says "I'm gonna do the talking," he cuts him off. Who knows what Floyd was going to say next, how ever unlikely it may be he could of explained or at least opened up more. Interviewers job = Get the answers to the peoples questions not ask a question arrogantly and then go on to drown out the response whilst you answer your own question. To think that I wanted rid of the one word a minute Larry Merchant, how wrong I was...
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:14:04 AM
Fistic Fury:  Max Kellerman says he doesn't have a problem with Floyd or that he doesn't dislike him, so why is Floyd the only fighter who gets a hard time off him?
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:19:24 AM
bbtroy:  Max should have allowed Floyd to talk crap with Shane around. We could have seen some ass whuppin spot on.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 02:22:47 AM
MichaelPaine:  You seriously think Kellerman gave Floyd a hard time? He started out in brown-nosing fashion, praising Floyd, and then moved on to the question everybody wanted an answer to (the weight issue). Even in kindergarten, that ain't a hard time.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 02:31:27 AM
butthead2001:  Saw the interview....not impressed with Shane..and Floyd on this. Max Kellerman did the right thing of pulling it off....He cant get the situation out of control ...especially with Floyd taking the Microphone. What if he starts cursing the shit out of everyone .....what if it gets out of hand just to have people talkin about Shane and Floyd(which i think will be a great fight) this is LIVE and Max need to have control for HBO which he works for. Floyd not answering and doing some WWE antics, grabbing the mike ...refusing to answer questions are just disrespectful to the fans who paid to watch and to the sponsors. Floyd should fight Shane period...then take on Cotto and Paul Willams if necessary. But I wont pay PPV on his fights....Those who paid are suckers.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 02:34:43 AM
TM:  Rule number one of interviewing: Never let go of the microphone. Keep an eye out for this... When you see a talk show host interviewing someone in the audience, sometimes they audience member will unconsciously try to grab the mic and talk. The host will NEVER let go of the mic, ever. Once you do, it's over.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 04:01:54 AM
manny fukckiaw:  an honest, sarcastic interviewer in Kellerman and a liar, ego-centric, ADHD ladden man in Mayweather, triple H, Mosley and Hopkins with Roger and Floyd Sr's tandem of crazy minds? Its a smorgasbord of crazy stunts, whatdoya expect? and hey, i havnt mentioned the urine shower yet ....
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 05:09:00 AM
boyarate:  i think what kellerman did was great. i mean, mayweather answered none of his questions, i mean, he gave the fans NOTHING at all. its frustrating to hear his answers. mayweather just kept on talking nonsense and even contradicted himself. there was nothing more he could get from mayweather at that point but negative remarks not related to issues fans wanted to get answers from. mayweather needs to grow up and be a man. fans wants answers, if you dont give it, expect people to be critical of you. kellerman asked all questions needed, but mayweather was in defensive mode because he knows he did a lot of things wrong. no point in talking to a man who wont give any decent/real answer. so why would kellerman kiss his as s and do/ask him kiss as s questions? i would have thought of him weak if he suddenly did that just so he wouldnt piss off mayweather. mayweather deserved it.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 05:24:47 AM
jackup:  Excellent article. Kellerman punked the Fraud, that's a good thing. Fraud does not answer questions being asked. He wants to take the interview for his own and do commercials. Then he deny things that are already known facts; like his IRS problems. Let's have Pacquiao come in at 140 against Donaire, then at fight time Pacquiao weights at 152 while donair at 137. It's not hard to see a total mismatch there. Should we then praise Pacquiao for being so great in beating someone who has all the disadvantages like weight, size, speed and slower due to their unnatural weight? In Marquez's case, he is also 36 years old and was seen to be sliding in ability against Diaz. Pacquiao would be too strong now for Marquez at 140. I see Pacquiao taking on Marquez after Cotto. Pacquiao will KO Marquez at 140, Marquez is just too small to be fighting at 140.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 05:34:08 AM
GOAT:  Max is not a former boxer/trainer nor is he a announcer with years of experience, so MOST fighters would be agitated with his sarcastic comments considering he never fought/trained fighters or garnished the respect due to a history of boxing interviews. As much as a dislike Larry Merchant he would have not allowed Mosely and Hopkins to take over the interview and he would have been professional and showed both fighters (PBF/Marquez) respect during the interview regardless to how stupid his questions are. SECOND, will these boxing writers PLEASE do some homework BEFORE printing lies. Bob Arum said no to a PBF/Cotto match-up after PBF destroyed Gatti, Tszyu said he didn't want to fight PBF because he did not like him, and how was Ricky Hatton washed up when he was I believe 40-0 when he fought PBF? It's funny that fighters are considered P4P elitist until they loose to PBF and then they are either overrated or washed up, people are saying that Marquez is washed up now but a couple of weeks ago he was the #2 P$P fighter in the world and a serious challenge to Pacman's claim as the best fighter on the planet.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 05:49:37 AM
Smiley C:  A note. Maybe the Mayweather haters should repent, or write a BIble. The bout had a million PPV buyout. It did well fo' sure!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 06:06:35 AM
beatemup:  I agree fistic fury....He obviously dislikes floyd....He who cares how Floyd is perceived in the boxing world...He is necessary...He just came back...Now its on and you desrespect him and make money with him...Well, now that Floyd is super pissed off....I think a fight in the spring or summer of 2010 should be set up so shane can get whats coming to him too...Thats if and I stress if Pac can stop Cotto...
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:04:34 AM
GOAT:  Mr. Woods wants PBF to fight Mosely, then Pacman/Cotto winner, then PW AND then challenge the most famous 160 by the end of next year? Come on man! PBF started fighting at 130 and you want him to fight at 160? Come on. He could not get bigger than 150 when he fought ODH and now you want a 5'7" 147 lb fighter to fight at 160? If he does that the naysayers will say he shouls fight the winner of the super Middle tourney, no how about fighting all the contestents of the super middle tourney! The writer is stupid and he knows nothing about about boxing. How about "My tooth is loose" Shane fighting ANYONE! He hasn't fought in a year and he turned down fights with Cotto, PW, Berto, and Clottey but he says PBF is ducking fighters. He syas that PBF should fight a true welter but he begs Pacman for a handout, oh I mean a fight and he is willing to come down to 140! This bias BS needs to stop. At Shane's rate, he will have a longer layoff than PBF had during his retirment.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:14:55 AM
Tom:  GOAT: I'll bet he weighed damn close to 160 at the opening bell. And there is no need to call people names because their opinion differs from yours. I may not agree with everything written by Mr Woods but i have no evidence to suggest he is stupid. Also, you don't need to be a former athlete to do a good job in television sports broadcasting. That is just foolish.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:20:39 AM
Tom:  Kellerman did nothing wrong. He asked appropriate questions that would have been asked no matter who the fighter was. Who among us did not know before hand that Mayweather was going to give Kellerman a hard time? He calls Manny an uncle Tom and he won't talk to Merchant. He won't reach weight, participate or weigh in. Who expected cooperation? I also initially thought that Kellerman and HBO pulled the plug prematurely but in retrospect, once the interviewer loses control of the situation the show must end for the best interest of all parties (except the viewer). Where could it possibly have gone from there? Mayweather grabbing the mike and making stupid remarks? A rumble in the ring? As for Mosely, challenge your future opponent face to face, goad him if you can, it's good for business. Max is no Larry but he's does a servicable job.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:26:04 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite at San Diego Throwdown Gym:  Wow! Kellerman knows boxing big time. Somebody ought to check the facts. Besides nobody needs to have been a boxer or trainer to know and become a expert in the sports. Jack Mosley never boxed or trained, but he made his son Shane one of the great Sugarmen. Howard Cosell never trained or boxed, but he is consider a genius "announer" of the sports. Paul Reyes never boxed or trained until he got Don Curry in the Amateurs and Pros. Reyes has produced umpteen world champions. The great guru Angie Dundee never boxed or trained instead his late brother Chris bought him along. We all know the greatness of Angie. Those critics and name callers who are always stereotyping that somebody never boxed or trained are not at the top of the sports themselves. Max Kellerman is great. Mayweather is great. Some of the fanfaronades are not. Holla!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:48:25 AM
Frank Z:  i think woods is pretty fair in this article. kellerman did try to pry answers out of floyd that the rest of us were wondering about anyway, although right after a victory and with the adrenaline still pumping in floyd it's not a good time to ask him all that. he also got in over his head when he invited mosley and bhop over to talk with floyd, he should have figured that it could end up like the way it did. before this fight's weigh in i figured floyd was actually a 140 lb er in a 147 lb er's body, but if he's going to refuse to even come down to 144 then it means he's a full fledged welterweight now. he probably still weighed only about 152 on fight night, but he's definitely not a lightweight anymore. the idea of floyd fighting LTP is kind of ridiculous to me though, there's no way floyd would want to go up against someone that active accurate and lanky.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:21:23 AM
GOAT:  I never said a commentator needed to be a former trainer or athlete to be a good commentator. I said that atheletes respect former atheletes/established commentators more during interviews, look at other sports, football uses primarily former players/established commentators during their broadcast, basketball/baseball are the same. I'm not saying Kellerman is a bad commentator but how can you question a clear cut victory over the number 2 P4P fighter in the world when you never been in the ring? How can you allow the winner of a major fight to be attacked like in WWE because you want to start some trouble. After fights, most fighters still have the adrenaline flowing and are usually more emotional than at the press conference later on, that being said if PBF was asked the same questions by B-Hop/Shame at the press conference we would have probably got better answers. For example, when Kellerman asked PBF about his weight after the fight, he ignored him and was dismissive, but during the press conference after the fight he said that he weighed in at 145 prior to the official weigh in and he thought he was only 1 pound over the limit. He said he ran on the treadmill for 20 minutes trying to loose the weight before the weigh in.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:56:11 AM
mabii:  GOAT, I am in complete aggreement! Lets accept Mayweather for what he is - a supremely skilled if unexiting fighter. he will never be a Henry Armstrong or a Duran but then again those great fighters will never be a Mayweather. Enjoy the subtle skills he brings to the table that make his fights look so easy. Kellerman did a good job but seemed out of his depth when Mosley and Floyd started going at it. Thats inexperience but he is learning and will only get better. Floyd will fight Shane because thats most likely an easier fight to make as Shane will not make the demands that Manny and Roach will. And I really want to shut Roach up once and for all. He hit the holy grail with Manny and it seems to have gone to his head.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 09:00:46 AM
GOAT @ Tom:  Do you know for sure he weighed 160 on fight night? I seriously doubt he gained 14 pounds over night. He weighed 150 on the scales for the ODH fight and on fight night he weighed 148! I guess he could get with Victor Conte and gain weight to fight at 160 like Shame "I want some Money". Give credit where credit is due, no-one is talking about the difference in skill level instead most people are talking about 2 pounds. I PBF weighed 140 the fight would have had the same out come. PBF is not a physical type of fighter who takes advantage of a weight gain. Look at his past fights, he fought Marquez the same way he fought Castillio who was bigger, ODH who was bigger, Hatton who was the same size, Judah who was the same size, so on and so on.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 09:01:51 AM
ali:  Mayweather was'nt about to answer any quastion about his weight, IRS, Pac, or Shane but when he got mad and told kellerman you talk too much we could have got some answers. Why not let them argue I remember when they let Hopkins and Jones go at it and it was much better then any interview they could have done. 60-40 I whoop your ass who is every going to forget that. Shane finally started running his mouth which was great cause he always smiling and trying to be nice and he see that ain't working anymore so he trying to talk his way in a big fight smart move.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 09:08:03 AM
Robert Curtis:  More fantasy boxing about who Floyd will fight to create a Sugar-worthy legacy. That's okay. I've done it myself. But it won't happen. Floyd will fight another wrestler or an overblown featherweight before he'll ever take on the best at his walking around weight. Mosely might as well submit his application for the AARP now. Neither Money or Manny will touch him or bless him with a good going-away payday. As for Max Kellerman, his fencing with Floyd became an entertaining exchange and he did okay. It sounds like Max learned from it and will do better next time. Max is still very young. He's more knowledgeable than Cosell ever was, but sometimes just as obnoxious with his strident speaking style. He can't help that. He loves boxing and gets excited sometimes.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 09:10:35 AM
manboobs the great:  Floyd is like the smartest guy in your class,,,but he uses cheat sheets for some reason. Thats why he irritates me so much. He didnt NEED a 2 lb advantage, he had all the other aspects covered but grabbed for yet another advantage. People can defend him all they want but ask yourself this, did you have any doubt about the outcome of this fight before it took place? Did you stay awake at night 2 years ago pondering a Mayweather/Marquez fight and how awesome it would be?
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 09:59:13 AM
Matthew:  I like Kellerman. He's no Larry Merchant (who is?), but I think he continues to improve. Sure, he has a tendency to make outrageous comparisons, and he sometimes tries a little too hard to show how knowledgable he is, but I admire his passion for the sport. I think he's being way too hard on himself here. It's good to see someone make Mayweather uncomfortable and ask him tough questions about selection of opponents. These are legitimate questions, but Mayweather usually gets defensive if someone isn't kissing his ass. If Mayweather wants to be an all-time great (and he most definitely is not, as of right now), then he needs to take on a dangerous opponent in his weight class or heavier (he hasn't done that since the Casillo fights in '02; Judah is a mental midget and was/is damaged goods). He's more concerned with keeping an undefeated record (though he really should have one loss) than he is about fighting the best fighters of his era.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 10:23:44 AM
Master Snake :  Nice piece. Mayweather at least gives fans something to talk about; similar to the antics of a spoiled Hollywood starlet. But he will never be truly respected as a man or a boxer who showed real grit in the ring. We've never even seen this guy bleed in the midst of combat. He should stick with the Pretty moniker. That is the only pride of this narcissistic egoist. I bet he'd make a fabulous runway model. The author's last sentence summarizes why I'll never purchase another Floyd Mayweather fight. Respect to JMM for remaining professional about the weight issue and surviving 12 rounds to a middleweight. Hopefully, he'll find two or three more meaningful fights and retire on top. He's a class act.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 10:40:25 AM
GOAT:  I will give everybody their excuses for PBF future fights. Pacman was too small for PBF when he got KTFO, Cotto was damaged from the Marg/Pacman fight when he got KTFO PBF, Shane was too old and comming of a long layoff from the ring when he lost a UD to PBF, PW was weight drained from making weight when he losta UD to PBF, so on and so on. I want someone to honestly tell me who does PBF have to beat to get his recognition? Be honest and think about it. Who out there do you honestly think will, not can, but will beat PBF if they fight.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 10:53:38 AM
mabii:  I think its a safe bet to say that Floyd will fight Mosley or Manny next in whichever order the negotiations fall. Thats what he came back for and why shouldnt he negotiate like a businessman. At this level Professional boxing is a business - and its time we realized this. When Foyd moved up to welerweight a few years ago everone wondered if he could carry the weight. Now all of a sudden he is a "big" man fighting smaller men. Mosley is getting on my nerves and looks very desparate to me but then again thats professional boxing and it seems he needs the money after his divorce. Ray Leonard negotiated everything from the rounds weight to the size of the ring when he fought Hagler because he could and should have. Marquez would have looked the same if he weighed 160 on the night. He simply could not tag Floyd. Manny is naturally aggressive and will come in fast and hard with different angles but Floyds jab will be the key. I also think Floyd will have to be more aggresive with Manny using the jab as a range finder but there you go - just wishfull thinking from a former fighter.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:18:03 AM
Matthew@GOAT:  I believe Mayweather beats Pacquiao, but I seriously doubt he can or will even try for a KO. I'm going with a UD. He had a chance to KO Marquez and didn't go for it; he's too cautious. I will give him all due credit if and when he fights and beats any of the guys you mentioned (though there's no way he fights Williams, since both are managed by Al Haymon). The fact is, Mayweather, from 140 lbs and north, has been unwilling to take the risks necessary to be an all-time great. He was the man at 130 and 135, but has since taken a safety-first approach, and that is not greatness. It's a great business strategy, but doesn't put him in rareified air, in my opinion.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:36:18 AM
Condor:  I have been calling for Floyd to challenge Pavlik for a year. Sincerely. The bottom line is that Floyd entered the ring Saturday at middleweight, no question about it. Floyd -who calls himself the best EVER- ALWAYS has every advantage when he enters the ring. If Floyd fought Pavlik, he'd have the equivalent disadvantage that JMM had against him! Think about it. And if Floyd is the best EVER, then he should be able to prevail in spite of a little size disadvantage! Sugar Ray Robinson fought for the Light Heavyweight title and nearly pulled it off. Geez, Floyd, who is all about money, would make a fortune against Pavlik. Why won't he fight him? FEAR. Period. Let's not forget, Floyd is a guy that proclaims he's the BEST EVER, yet he's scared to fight the universal welterweight champion, saying to Sugar Shane that he'll "talk to his advisers". What a joke. He should have said Shane, let's do it. Anytime. And then, go to Pavlik. BUT NO, Floyd will next target......Chris John or Nonito Donaire. At a catchweight, of course.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:42:43 AM
Gacy @ GOAT:  No GOAT, all we ask is that Floyd fight ONE LEGITIMATE WELTERWEIGHT. JUST ONE! Is that too much to ask??
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:44:31 AM
Fe'Roz at work checking in:  Mike, I read your article and I think that you accurately and fairly addressed most if not all points. When I get home tonight, and read the posts above, I will add to the following thought. After the World Trade Center was bombed, the president of the United States spoke to the public and the press and effectively telegraphed his strategy to go to war, there was an enormous amount of conversation and debate but sadly, as we know, not nearly enough. The media has been simultaneously defending and berating itself. For good reason. They failed collectively to use what ever legitimate tactics necessary to elicit from the principals..... honest and forthright answers. We all know the consequences. Now boxing ain't beanball.... nor is it Iraq.... but for it to maintain its legitimacy in the eyes of the public, it requires a vigilant media. Max Kellerman may not have been perfect.... but in my eyes he was absolutely trying to do his job. And when he was no longer able to do it, he did what I believe he should have done. Taken the mike from the evasive (and I'm being generous) interviewee, in this case Floyd, and send it back to the studio. PC
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:48:15 AM
brainbashedbritboy:  Mayweather regardless of weight showed hes a class act and still in the tug o war mix for the P4P king of all dawgs. The extra weight issue hasnt done him any favors, i believe Hatton was 2lb less than PBF when they fought being 145 ( i could stand corrected tho), I just want to see Manny V Mayweather but concede Mosley deserves his shot first, Manny shouldnt age in the wait but Mosley isnt gettin any younger and im sure if PBF doesnt pull any backhanded stunts prior to Mosley, a win against him could create a positive apetite and wet the mouths of fans to face of against the Pinoy. Im not against a Williams face off but when acknowledging how low a weight Floyd started the same argument re Mayweather/Marquez could be applied for Mayweather/Williams, Williams is a middleweight at least, that freakishly gets down to Welter, Mayweather is a Welter at best, albeit a heavy one come fight night against Marquez...id be interested to hear other opinions on this. Biggup TSSU
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:59:57 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite finshed with the workout:  People need not say anything, they can imply. Money May reminds me of an Ox, he has no balls to fight Pera Pac at a catchweight and he shouldn't. These guys are prizefighters, not pridefighters. Let the fans, fanfaronades and self-appointed experts fuss and cuss all that they want to. Wow! The only things that they are running are their bowels, mouths and imaginations. Unlike Juan Manuel Marquez, PacMan doesn't have quicksand feet. Money May, he can definitely beat. But this is a fight that you will never see. Nature will not let it be. Money May is too big, and fighting at a catchweight, he doesn't dig. He is a very smart dude, and let people believe that he has a bad tude. These Money May's fans, with this hyperhate, don't know Dilly Jack about Money May. He wouldn't give you the time of day. He wants you to cheer for him with love. In his own words, he believes in "The Man Above." The Money May haters have issues with themselves, so why go to their level. Be smarter, be clever! Holla!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 12:06:33 PM
GOAT @ Matthew:  You and other people talk as though PBF been fighting at 147 his whole career. Keep in mind, PBF has only 5 fights (if you include Marquez) at 147. To make my point clearer, Shane has more fights at 154 than PBF has at 147 but shane is not a true 154er and no one says he should fight the top 154ers. B-hop has just as many fights at Lt. Heavy as PBF has at welter. Also, shane was beggin to fight Pacman a couple of months ago and he was willing to go down to 140, isn't that fighting a smaller guy? After Pac turned him down he jumped all over PBF. Shane is the one that's embarrasing himself. Top welters? Check out the division rankings when PBF fought Baldomir, Baldo and Zab were considered the top welters at that time. After those two fights he fought ODH (money fight) and Hatton ( money fight). then retired. Saying he did not fight the top welters is disingenous because he only fought twice after winning the title and retired. Wait until next year this time and if he hasn't fought some of the top guys then you may have a point but it's not fair to say he has to fight everybody and if he doesn't, then he is ducking them.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 12:38:00 PM
crying MISTER LEE:  what does mr lee have to say now
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 12:44:27 PM
Master Snake :  Yeah right, Radam G, Floyd's a real scholar and holy person. Gimme a break. He must of burned the midnight oil trying to figure out how to weigh in two pounds over the contracted weight. And prayed extra hard for sensible men not to tune in. Listen guy, people with integrity and scruples hate the guy because he's an arrogant loudmouth with no perspective or maturity. The fans and haters made him rich by paying to see him fight competitive opponents. Since 2002 he has cleverly managed his career with disregard for that maxim. By the way, your posts are sally. This isn't twitter you big timer.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:17:52 PM
Anony @ TSS:  I'm tire of Floyd... I propose the TSS to give us a break on him and stop covering the gangsta boxer until he give us boxing related topics. He doesn't deserve our respect. What was the purpose of the interview? To get "the fans questions answered", right? Max didn't get him to answer and then he grabbed the mic, next thing you know he was going to grab was...... (fill in the blank).
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:37:22 PM
kountedout:  for a person that is boring and is so scary, floyd and marquez had great numbers as far as ppv buys. over 800,000. could be close to 1.1 million. how much did manny and hatton do? i guess a lot of people wanted to pay to see him lose
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:37:48 PM
Tom:  I do not know for sure he weighed 160 but if he had weighed in we all would know. I am not suggesting the weight was or wasn't a critical factor in the fight. I am merely suggesting that fighting Paul Williams is not far fetched.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:39:25 PM
RIVERSIDE:  pretty boy is better boxer than buisnessman, irs sent notification to nevada athletic comission demanding 5.6 million be deducted from purse for unpaid back taxes, floyd brags about all the money he has and everything is paid, at this rate he will be flat broke when he retires, he needs to scale back on the luxuries
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:39:52 PM
Robert Curtis:  I would call Floyd Jr. a boxer I hate to love, not love to hate. He has great skills and good business saavy. He should stay away from gangsters and save more money, but that's his choice. He's got a good legacy already, but has played it safe in recent years. In Floyd's defense, if he took on every hard guy in the game three times over the way Sugar Ray Robinson did, Floyd would probably have less money and fewer functioning brain cells. Don't forget how the original Sugarman couldn't even recognize his own family in the last decade of his life. Still, I'll like to see Money duke it out with Mosely, or with Cotto if Cotto does the impossible and actually beats PFP king Pacquiao. Here I go again. Fantasy boxing is so seductive.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 01:56:18 PM
William:  Kellermanis 100% wrong. The name on the ticket, the marquee, the PPV was MAYWEATHER, not KELLERMAN. Did Max not consider that the people who spent their hard-working $50 on the PPV might want to hear what the champ had to say? Max's post-interview comments to Lampley were offensive as well; to imply Floyd 'owed' him something. There is no sense of entitlement. Max, you had a gig because people wanted to see pro boxers. The commentators are never going to be more important than the fighters- you are there as a secondary measure, meant to enchance the experience of the audience, which pays to see the fighters. Never let YOUR ego get in the way again. I am strongly against Max Kellerman now, and when he is on, I am sure many viewers are going to tune off.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 02:04:19 PM
tyson:  awesome article. its def gonna take a pressure fight who can take a shot to ware down floyd and KO HIM...
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 03:16:36 PM
Matthew@GOAT:  You make some good points, but do you REALLY think that Baldomir was a top welterweight (forget what the WBC says)when Floyd fought him? Baldomir beat Judah because Judah barely showed up to fight. I don't begrudge Mayweather for taking the Oscar or Hatton fights (although the Hatton fight would have been more competitive at 140, which I think Floyd still could have made at that time), but let's not forget that he passed on an 8 million dollar payday (a career high for him at that time) because he wanted no part of Margarito. He could have fought many other top welters (Mosley, Williams, Cotto, Clottey), but chose to retire instead. Now, he has no excuse not to fight these guys. He beat Baldomir is November of 2006 and hasn't fought a true welter since. Yes, I will agree that Mosley appears desperate. And he would be taking on a smaller man by facing Pacquiao at 140, but he would be the one at the disadvantage by having to go down so far, unlike Mayweather having all the advantages by making Marquez coming up to welter. Also, no one is clamoring for Mosley to fight the top 154 lb guys; he isn't currently campaigning at that weight class (like Mayweather is at 147) and I don't think anyone believes that 154 is Mosley's optimal weight class.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 03:24:14 PM
Fe'Roz :  I'm down with those who say that the interview/skirmish after the fight was better than the fight itself. well, if not better than the fight itself, then at least as entertaining.... if not more. everything else was pre-planned and pre-ordained. The date. The weight. and all the other techniques and shenanigans contrived to enhance the gate. The interview was actually real live action. it was the only time Floyd was caught off guard and had to fight off his back foot. In fact, if you watch the tape in slow motion... or play it backwards, I think you could almost see his foot in his mouth. in any case, it wouldn't have mattered. Floyd was completely scripted. He had no intention of answering anything...... and thus Max Kellerman was 100% correct in the way he conducted his Q&A. that said, now that we are almost a week away from that event, the idea of a fight between Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather has begun to get the serious attention it deserves. Floyd is a comfortable natural gifted welterweight. He can and should challenge and compete with men his own size. The same as arguably and, to be fair equally fair, true of Miquel Cotto. It must be said that Cotto, like Floyd before him, is fighting down. Joe Santiago, without mincing words, said as much earlier today. So props to the little men with the big boy balls. You have to love them. as for Floyd, Shane, Miguel, and all the others at 147: Wouldn't it be great if somehow, some way, with all the promotional power and money at stake, we were able, in the misquoted words of the oft clear but more often not, Rodney King, All able to 'get it on'.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 03:59:40 PM
metalnate:  I think in some ways, although not always, Max is watching out for us the fans and the ones who pay for these warriors payday. I want answers (although obvious) . I love the game and fights like this, me being a gamer I did not purchase this farce. Max I think you need to take it up another notch, Don't let these con artist misreprisent the game we love. Say it as you and we see it pure and simple, screw the network and there cherry pickers. Give honor and accolades to those who desrve it and dissenbowel the charlatans who have abducted our game.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 04:35:50 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  Master Snake, most like novice snake go bite somebody. I bet your venom is nasty wack and dirty crack. Holla for dolla, because you will never be a boxin' schola.' Don't get up in my grill. Slither up an anthill. Those ants will eat that ____up! Learn psy-ops of the game, grow some nuts. Don't try to sell me that snake oil. You don't have a bone to boil. Money May can pay those bills, Because he GOT MAD SKILLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSS! What he does is a long secudum artem of da hurt bitnezz. Have a flicking good life, and don't holla at me, holla at a snickersnee. Oh, I musta' fo'got! A snake doesn't have a large brain. You will just slice yourself into snakebits. Da sucka even_________! Holla!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 04:36:49 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  Bobby C, I hate to piss on your parade. Dangit! Now the pee pee users got me using piss metaphors. Whatever! Sugar Ray Robinson duck so many black fighters that Daffy Duck duck hollered at him. Even Superfightwriter F-Lo, who loves the Sugarman royalty, has even written about SRR doesn't a pugilist -- a part of smart boxing. Fight those who make you big money, not those who fans and mafia want. Holla!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 04:52:08 PM
donputo69 playing celo:  Great article EM...i agree with everything you said....Max is THE MAN....he was gonna put scareweather on point....i had a feeling max was gonna ask him this question....Max: HEY FRAUD....WHY DID YOU WEIGHT 146LBS?....WHAT WAS YOUR WEIGHT AT FIGHT NIGHT?....WHY YOU KEEP DUCKING THE BEST?....WHY YOU HAND PICK FEATHERWEIGHTS?....WHY YOU DONT HAVE ANY HEART?....LOL...those are the questions mad max would of ask scareweather.....thats why scareweather took the mic away from my boy max....BTW....i have to disagree with EM....i think scareweather should move up to heavyweight and challenge the real big boys....lol....he should hand pick valuev....vitali...wladimir....hayes....aerrola....and ruiz......lets see how tough scareweather is.....but then again....the dude doesnt have the cojones to do that....we all know that....holla back!!!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 05:35:19 PM
Real Talk:  Once again back it's the incredible !!!! I agree with Fistic, but Max is alright with me. But guess what ?!?!? THERE'S ONLY OOOOOONE LARRY MERCHANT !!!!!! DUECES
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:52:37 PM
ali @ The Mayweather Haters :  Is Pac to small to fight Mayweather 2.Is Shame too old to fight Floyed 3. Is Cotto to damage to fight him and have a chance 4. Is Williams to big now to move down and be the same Paul Williams. Keep in mind I will keep track of all of yall answers.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 07:54:01 PM
MisterLee:  Okay well, this is my take: 1.) Max Kellerman can be a bit too blunt and sarcastic sometimes. In announcing a fight, he can be quite brilliant Cotto Marg: "We have a BOXING CLASSIC!" , almost as good as Manny Stewards Gatti/Ward "That's right, take HIM TO THE BODY!" However, in interviews he is too straightforward in relaying his intentions without subtly implying opinions and without making the fighter feel like he is on the spot or in the hotseat. I say this in how he interviewed Juan Diaz and asked him "Did you not learn your lesson?" after the Marquez fight. I mean, Diaz just lost, must feel crappy, and is a total gentleman, he shouldn't have rubbed it in. Merchant would be a bit more considerate and ask questions about the fight, compliment his effort and tactics and good moments, then asked him HOW HE FELT about the loss or the cut or the last round, versus talking down to him like a little kid. Granted EVEN larry merchant, the poet from venice, and usually very tamed, angered Floyd in many interivews : "You do your job, I'll do mine etc." 2.) Floyd has become increasingly petty and insecure. It's like the greater his insecurity the larger his posse. In time all the haters, posers, and whiners of the world will be in his posse. I feel no matter what Max would have said last saturday, floyd would have angry, UNLESS he did not mention marquez and his weight as a topic of convo. If he had stuck to manny pacqiuao and what he thought of manny, that would have been fine. 3.) Pple, max had to tune back, b/c it's his job to conduct the interiew. If he loses control of the interview, it's time for him to go to the commercial break (letterman madonna 1 ), only one person holds the mic, and floyd could have done or said anything or even straight up curse out Max. 4.) Pple, talk smack and cursing is NOT the worse thing for television nor boxing. Roy Jones in a post bhop fight interview said on the air "60 40 i'll whoops yo' ASS, sound like two cats who dunno what the HELL they talking about". He said the first line repeatedly, and he never got flack, then yet, the announcer also had control over the interview (Larry Merchant). 5.) The fight agst Marquez is meaningless as he isn't even a ranked welterweight. Any decent welterweight would have rocked Floyd with some of the punches marquez threw: flush right crosses, hooks to the body, left uppercuts, right hooks over the shoulder roll on the chin. Yes, floyd dominated him, and yes, he could have fought all night with his hands down b/c marquez simply cannot hurt him with hands down and no defense. This is not a testament to marquez's greatness, but simply one to his size, and that even as a lightweight he was seen as the smaller man agst juan diaz (who was seen a smaller man it the jr. welter division), how could he have POSSIBLE taken on a bonafide welter. Why does Floyd deserve to be ring magazine #2 welterweight in the world for fighting a non-title bout agst a lightweight champion? Is this Ring magazine's opportunity to a match between Ring Magazine #1 welterweight Shane Mosley, vs. Floyd Mayweather for the Ring Magazine welterweight crown? ANd I feel Ring magazine ought to take margarito off the top 10 or top 5 welter list, hes' a disgraced fighter, not a contender. Holler! and why is williams nor pacquiao nor marquez nowhere to be found on the list, and when is the next time collazo or quintana gonna fight someone meaningful? Holler to XX chromo!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:15:43 PM
MisterLee:  BTW, i respect Kellerman more not as an interviewer, but as a human being for manning up and taking some responsibility for the incident. In all honesty, it was an accident waiting to happen. An insecure, disgruntled, and opinionated boxer, and a straight shooter, sharp shooter, and poignant interviewer in Max, I mean Brian Kenny barely got off the hook, but he was dancing on the line. I think even Merchant of Venice would have had difficulty dealing, and steward if called Uncle Tom would have Floored Floyd.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:21:28 PM
MisterLee:  I also feel, if Kellerman tones down the material for his interiewing the losers, he would win a lot more fans. It's not all loss, as Merchant is an aging sage, and Kellerman taking his place gotta say "Rumble Young Man Rumble!" Conan O'Brien didn't get it all right after inheriting late night show, so kellerman still got time. Just need to work on his head movement and footwork! Holler!
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:23:05 PM
AFN Max is the Man. Read the S.I. article:  I'm a massive Kellerman fan. He is the 'People's Elbow' of boxing commentators. He shouldn't be apologising, or changing his approach, it is fine as it is. And as Radam said, Max knows more about boxing than most of us could ever dream to know a hundredth of. If you haven't read it already, Google the S.I. article on Max and Sam Kellerman. Guarenteed it will leave you with tears in your eyes, and a whole new respect for this giant of a man, and truly one of my heroes, Max Kellerman. EL TOONOY
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:40:39 PM
TotoyBato:  Mayweather should have KO'd Max. With maywether's weak punches, maybe pencil necked Max will be easier to KO than a featherweight.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 08:57:20 PM
Fe'Roz @ Ali:  Ali,I hear your frustration... as I'm sure you hear ours. And as much as I hate to do so, I would like to ask a question in answer to your question. Do you believe that Floyd were to fight Shane Mosley today, he would win? Do you believe that if he were to fight Miguel Cotto or Joshua Clottey and/or Antonio Margarito, that he would win? Do you believe that if he fought Paul Williams at a weight somewhere above 150 but below 160, he would win? And lastly, do you believe that if he thought Kelly Pavlik for the middleweight championship of the world he would have a realistic chance to win? I asked these questions out of respect... not hate. Haters like to focus on Floyd's predisposition toward smaller fighters. Legit it or not, their questions and critiques are shared by many. Now as much as I have antagonized some this past week, I am not a hater. In fact, you might even put me in the category of those in awe of Floyd's skills; skills so great that it leaves not only not I but the vast majority, frustrated or worse....specifically at Floyd's match selection. See, I don't think he's scared. I do think that he excessively equates his undefeated record with greatest of all-time status. And on this, I do not agree. Moreover, it is a mistake. You see I believe that Floyd is virtually unbeatable....but given his matchmaking thus far, I am beginning to wonder if Floyd believes the same. If he truly does, I not only think that if he were to challenge any of the fighters I listed above.... at the weights that I suggested, I believe there is a high probability that Floyd could galvanize his place in history..... as the lineal welterweight champion of the world, Junior middleweight Champion of the world, and last but not least, the middleweight champion of the world. No easy task. Nor should it be. But the reward is immeasurable. Floyd Mayweather has the talent and skills, both offensive and defense, to contend for a panoply of titles..... and a place in history as one of the greatest fighters of his and all time. I may not have answered your questions (yet) ...... but I would love to hear you address mine. pc
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 09:53:17 PM
Isaiah:  Floyd has massive skills. His pure boxing and defensive skills are unmatched, but he's not unbeatable. It's going to take someone who we all know can box very well, hit hard, apply non stop pressure, has great stamina, heart and a good chin.... We all know Paul Williams is a question mark to meet Floyd at a reasonable weight, but I like Williams chance. PW is the Wild Card and it'd be a great fight. Like I've said before though, the guy who is a solid Welterweight, fits the bill the closest to all these things and I believe would still give "MONEY" fits, get him a good payday and have a reasonable chance against Floyd even at an advanced age and still add big time to Floyd's legacy is... SUGAR SHANE MOSLEY! This would not bring in the numbers like if Floyd fought Manny Pacquiao, but who would? I still see this Pay Per View doing over a million buys easy, I bet. Mosley is big time worthy and well worth the man's time. Floyd's got the skills to pay the bills, now, WILL HE?
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 10:28:26 PM
paclander:  Where is merchant when you need him.
Thursday Sep 24, 2009 11:15:34 PM
Robert Curtis@Radam G, and again backing the old original Sugarman:  I'm not the deepest and dedicated researcher, but I've read lots of boxing books. I believe there were some black boxing unknowns that SSR ducked. The only semi-unknown black fighter I heard of SRR ducking was Charley Bur-ley(who was half Irish!). School me, my good dear TSS friend, and let me know where I can read about all the greats that the great Sugar Ray Robinson ran screaming from.
Friday Sep 25, 2009 12:50:48 AM
GOAT @ Matthew:  Everyone talks about the 8 mil that PBF turned down to fight Marg but that bs. Folks, do your homework. At that time PBF was considering buying out his contract with Bob Arum and Arum wanted to negotiate a multi fight deal. He offered PBF 8 mil for Marg but in return Arum would have options on PBF next three fights. If you follow boxing and promoters, they always offer a fighter above market value for a fight, then they get options for future fights, and then they underpay for those future fights. If they fighter refuses to fight for the chump change then they shelve them until the contract expires. PBF told Arum that he would fight marg for 8 mil but he wanteed to fight ODH for 20 mil after that. Arum said that he (PBF) could not get 20 mil for ODH because he was not willing to negotiage with Golden Boy Promotions. Arum wanted PBF to fight only his (Arums) fighters for between 2 to 5 mil per fight. PBF bought out his contract from Arum and formed his own company and negotiated one of the biggest paydays in boxing history with ODH. After that Arum said he would never do business with PBF again and that killed any chance of PBF Cotto.
Friday Sep 25, 2009 06:51:23 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite @ Bobby C:  Part Irish -- not half -- he was all of his mom and and all of his dad. In this politically world, half is offensive. For starters, The Sugarman refused to fight Ezzard Charles at welterweight and middleweight. He refused to fight Archie Moore at middleweight. And those are the famous ones. They went up in weight and hated SSR for the rest of their days. Some of the not famous, who the Sugarman duck, are still living. Holla!
Friday Sep 25, 2009 07:40:49 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  Hey, Bobby C, you can go to old film archives and hear Sugar Ray Robinson in his own words. You can grab old Ring Magazine Record Books and reports. The Ring Magazine's Bible of Boxing books have quite a bit of information. The Library of Congress has quite a collection that you can get. The FBI has files and records on SRR that you can acquire. The start for getting legit information about SRR's duckeries may just be at your local library. I'm certain that they have boxing archives from the late 1800s to today. You can probably hit up the internet and find some stuff, but don't depend on that jive. Most of it is straight-up bunk! Holla!
Friday Sep 25, 2009 05:17:30 PM
Robert Curtis agreeing to disagree:  I don't think I'll be spending hours sifting through J. Edgar Hoover's secret files on SRR. I don't have your access code. Besides, I can watch Sugar Ray Robinson's fights and see the man was a supreme artist who moved about the ring with more poetry and precision than any other man in his time and most times that preceded or followed. Radam, your pal Ali worshipped SRR. Enough said. Muhammad Ali was all of some Irishman in his past too. Thanks for schooling me on what's PC. I'm no hater. If I can wake up every day with an open heart, it's a good day.
Friday Sep 25, 2009 05:44:23 PM
Robert Curtis:  Just one more point on SRR. You may be right about SRR ducking some black fighters just like Jack Johnson did. Also, you may have come upon some authentic oral histories that aren't in print. But be real. The original Sugar never ducked anyone for anything but financial reasons. Who was going to rake in the gate for him fighting some unknown of any race? White vs. Black has always been a huge seller in boxing. If it's not about the money then what's it about? Black eyes, brain damage and broken jaws for fun? What did SRR do to some old friend or relative of yours? Why keep trying to take him down from his place in the stars? Come clean. SRR was f'ing great!
Friday Sep 25, 2009 05:56:55 PM
Robert Curtis:  To get back on topic, Max Kellerman's love for boxing is timeless and complete. He is a gift to this sport which will always have more experts than practitioners. Max is one expert I hope to see around the game for a very long time. OK. I'm shutting up until Vitali/Cristobal prediction time.
Friday Sep 25, 2009 06:16:38 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite@ Bobby C:  Wow! Bobby C, that was cold. I'm not "trying to take" the Sugarman "down from his place in the stars." I'm just saying that he had flaws. And that he was boxing smart -- duck da fighters and fights that the predominant white audience didn't care to see. SRR didn't fight for pride, but for pride with a big arse prize. He was the utmost money-most-and-money-first boxer in the game. Money May learned that from him, as have many other boxers. You are right about Irish GOAT Ali. He was a big-time SRR nuthugger. He hugged those nuts so much that the late, great Archie "The Mongoose" Moore refused to train Ali and promised to kick his butt, like (Archie said that) he would have beat SRR, "but da scambooger didn't get me a shot at middle, and didn't want any part of me at light heavyweight." Well, we know that Archie was wrong about the young Cassius Clay. The GOAT did a job on the Mongoose, probably the LhvyGOAT. You really ought to holla at the FBI files on the Sugarman. There are some straight-up stuff in them. Holla!
Friday Sep 25, 2009 06:39:48 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  *didn't fight for pride, but for prize...
Friday Sep 25, 2009 06:44:42 PM
brownsugar:  hope this thread is open tommorrow,.. I got a lot a beef with this article...
Friday Sep 25, 2009 08:37:18 PM
Isaiah:  What is this blasphemy I see of the late, great, Sugar Ray Robinson? I say ney! NEY, I SAY! For any and all of thine swine who place SRR as less then perfection, may thous't for life get finacial advice from Mike Tyson. May you carry Eric Butterbean to the ring for his ring walk for a comeback. May you get invited to dinner at the James Toney residence and be last to be served. May you be served food by Vitali Klitshcko where there are no sinks for him to wash his hands. May you be Juan Manuel Marquez's drink tester. May you try to outbox, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley on the same day. Well... I guess that's about it. Just being bored. Can anyone think of any others? Just remeber, to putdown Sugar Ray Robinson would be like reenstating Geoge W. Bush in the white house for a third term, you just don't do it man. Hope this made somebody laugh. Later.
Friday Sep 25, 2009 11:25:30 PM
Isaiah:  I also wouldn't be suprised if Floyd called out Max Kellerman. I'd have to favor Max in that one... Funny thing is , I'm not sure if I'm joking or not. HA!
Saturday Sep 26, 2009 03:52:57 AM
sugar roy :  Fight Fans Owe Max Kellerman a Thank You The blogs and message boards show overwhelming criticism of Kellerman's handling of the Mayweather interview. Many feel Kellerman talked too much, that he instigated an on-air conflict between Mayweather and Mosley, and that he didn't allow Floyd to speak. All those things are true, and Kellerman was 100% justified. Mayweather is the best pound for pound fighter in the world. No reasonable boxing fan denies this. So when we pay $50 to watch Floyd fight, we're really paying to see proof that he's still the best out there. And the only way Floyd can give us that proof it is to constantly be in the ring with the toughest competition available. As a businessman, if you're already sitting on the "pound for pound best" brand, you have no reason to take any risks. It makes more sense to just keep pulling in easy paydays, and forget the fans. But as a champion, as the self-proclaimed, and widely accepted pound for pound best boxer in the world, you're absolutely obligated to duke it out with only the very best the sport has to offer. But is there even really financial risk in losing? Mayweather is already worth over $200 million. If he doesn't earn another dollar for the rest of his life, his grandchildren will still never have to work. How many 30 million dollar mansions and $100,000 cars does he need? Perhaps Floyd is strengthening his legacy by remaining undefeated, even though he's avoiding top shelf opposition. Once the world thinks you're the very best, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Yea, I guess we can sympathize somewhat. But by ducking other great fighters, Floyd's not only blocking them from the huge payday they deserve, he's blocking them from the possible status they might deserve as well. He's in effect manipulating boxing history - he's not allowing the sport's story to properly unfold. We saw this with Roy Jones. Jones acquired the "pound for pound best" title, and before you knew it, he parlayed that title into a tomato can business, receiving millions a fight, to essentially spar with bums on Pay-Per-View. But he never challenged himself, he never took any risks. Every opponent was selected to result in an easy payday - yes, even his heavyweight fight with John Ruiz. The fans were so dazzled by Roy's abilities, they forgot why they were paying to see him. We should have seen a Jones/Hopkins trilogy. We should have seen Jones fight at least 5 small heavyweights. Sometimes, with great talent comes great insecurity. Both Mayweather and Jones come off as deeply insecure people. This can be spotted most easily during interviews. When asked to beef up the quality of their opposition, they become insolent and compensatory. "I'm the best fighter in the world!" Show us, don't tell us. Ali was loud and conceited, but he was using this persona to call out Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, George Foreman. And even after Ali had the title, he was giving guys like Norton rematches and rubber-matches (guys who already gave Ali all he could handle). He was taking on monsters like Earnie Shavers. Because Ali knew his function as the champion was to continue proving his greatness. As the great Kuato said in 'Total Recall' "a man is defined by his actions, not his memories." The lone memory of his dismantling Diego Correles is not enough to put Floyd in that category of all-time great champions. He has to do more. And the truth is, fans just want to see Mayweather join the ranks of Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Whitaker, Hopkins, and dozens more, who rose to greatness, and then reaffirmed their greatness over and over again in the ring. Nobody wants Floyd to follow in Roy Jones' footsteps. With that said, Max Kellerman took what was on every fight fan's mind and served it to Floyd in front of the whole world, respectfully, but without mincing words. And he deserves thanks. First, Floyd wasted 10 seconds of our lives talking about Jesus and Reebok - essentially two corporations getting advertising minutes after we already paid our $50. Kellerman rightfully shut that down. Thank you Kellerman. Then Kellerman provided Sugar Shane a much deserved opportunity to publicly challenge Floyd, and increase pressure for a superfight. Thank you Kellerman. Then, he brought up Pacquiao and the selection of Marquez as an opponent. At that point, Mayweather was finished politely dodging questions, and decided it was time to impolitely dodge them, snatch Kellerman's microphone and dictate the rest of the discussion. So Kellerman immediately sent it back to Lampley, preventing Floyd from shifting to a nonsensical and ironic rant about being the best in the world. Thank you Kellerman. Perhaps Mayweather would have deserved his ego-tripping moment had he done more than spar to victory in a predictable mismatch. As a side note, many fans feel Kellerman should have tolerated being told "you talk too much" and allowed Floyd air time anyway. I couldn't disagree more. Larry Merchant tolerated Floyd's abuse in the past. That makes Merchant an extra tolerant guy. But Kellerman is not obligated to take abuse from fighters when he's acting in the interest of the sport, the interest of the fans, and ultimately in this case, the interest of Mayweather's legacy as a champion. The truth is, Kellerman is the best friend a fight fan, a fighter, and the sport of boxing could have. And apparently he's doing a thankless job. So on behalf of all of you who criticized him and didn't support him after that interview, I'm thanking him for you.
Saturday Sep 26, 2009 01:55:19 PM
eric:  kellerman did the right thing, if you think otherwise your an idiot. the guys got like 3 minutes to ask comelling questions, what do you expect him to do just hand the mic over to floyd and hear him plug sponsors and thank god for the whole 3 minutes.
Saturday Sep 26, 2009 02:07:06 PM
jake:  Mayweather is a big mouthed bicycle riding fool who as they say will only "stand next to someone he thinks he can beat." Why would he or any fighter pay out the kind of money he did so he be over the weight limit? A case of prefight jitters or a lack of confidence? rather than all the writers/ pundits who bury their nose in his posterior and gush praise they should be to the man calling him out to fight the best. People don't pay to watch in awe his ability-they pay to hopefully see him get his posterior pounded-they want to see a FIGHT-two men fighting, not a ballet-so enough with this purists crap about "boxing" and technical skills ruminations-it's about fighting, and probably a major reason MMA has made the audience inroads it has. If watching fights involving Mayweather "fight" is what it is about then somewhere the fat lady has begun to sing.
Sunday Sep 27, 2009 01:32:38 PM
brownsugar:  Kellerman does talk too much,.. it's assumed that most boxers grew up living on food stamps,.. participating in street gangs,..are jailbirds and at least one their parents is a crack head or a prostitue,.. not to mention not even having an education past the 3rd grade,... Announcers (not only Max) usually follow a very sadistic and aloof line of questioning like this;.... " Man,.. that guy really knocked the piss out you,.. are you ever going to be able hold your head up again after getting mugged in broad daylight for 10 rounds on TV??" Where's the tactfulness or consideration for the fighter??,..... You never hear announcers ask football players about what they do with their money,..thier cars or they're houses,..or talk down them as if they have no education at all(because they know they're college educated),... I'm glad Mayweather is able to draw boundries and dictate his responses according to his own healthy sense of self esteem,.(why should any athlete have to take $h!t off of an announcer) more boxers need that ,... and I hope more will follow suit,.. while Max can be entertaining as the brash,.. crass,.. invasive interviewer,. many times it's just a ridiculous display of disrespect to a person who just gave a piece of there life essence in the ring for our entertainment....hard questions are good,.. now how bout a little emphathy, respect and consideration to go along with that??
Monday Sep 28, 2009 11:48:17 AM
boksingero:  In any show or interview, the host or the interviewer is supposed to be in control. The situation got out of hand when floyd grabbed the microphone and disprespected the interviewer. Max did the right thing. that was his microphone. that sort of thing does not usually happen, but good old floyd never seems to amaze. Good Job, Max.
Monday Sep 28, 2009 08:11:26 PM
millertimesmartbox:  It is a shame that people just do not know how to appreciate greatness in the making. PBF is the greatest fighter to ever lace up a pair of gloves, hands down. All one has to do is pay close attention to his training and how he lives his life. He does not drink, he does not do drugs and he trains like a feen, even boxing's greatest reporters acknowledge these things about him. When is everyone gonna understand that he was created by God himself. You do not have to buy his fights if you do not understand the sweet science of boxing then you should not be watching it anyway. No he is not suppose to stand in one spot and let some other fighter beat him up. That is why Muhammid Ali is in the condition he is in now. Trust me boxing is a hard sport. So we should just shut up and give the man his props he is the best.
Wednesday Sep 30, 2009 09:07:17 PM
Rokka4:  I dont usually comment on websites/forums but i feel in such circumstances as this i have to, I think Max Kellerman did a terrible job in his post match interview, a good interviewer must not make himself the focus of the interview, they should simply ask a question and never take the spotlight away from the person they are interviewing. personally i dont think Max Kellerman is fit to announce on HBO, he is supposed to be a professional after all, and it is very clear that his skills are amature at best.
Wednesday Oct 7, 2009 04:20:36 PM
lance:  Max is the best thing HBO has going for them. Young talent with a passion for the sport. What does he do, let a Tyson-esque brawl ensue? He would wind up getting canned and boxing would only lose any respect its gained back in the past few years.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 02:26:24 AM

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