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Sunday Aug 16, 2009

Freddie is trying to teach Manny not to get hit? F-Lo ain't buyin' it. It ain't gonna happen. He will get hit. But will he get hurt?

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Roach Training Pacquiao Not To Get Hit?!!

By Frank Lotierzo

 

Last week Manny Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, was quoted in a website/newspaper based in Manila discussing his fighter's upcoming bout with Miguel Cotto. Roach said he was concentrating on how well Cotto did neutralizing Mosley's speed when they fought. This in itself is crazy, being that Cotto lessened Mosley's effectiveness by moving away and fighting as the counter-puncher, thus forcing Mosley to fight as the attacker. That wasn’t Mosley fighting at his best since he often times goes right hand crazy when forced to fight as the aggressor, looking for the sensational knockout and usually doesn't try to set anything up in the process. Saying Cotto nullified Mosley's hand speed is a myth. 
 
Roach also said, "Of course Cotto’s power is a major concern for me but I really think that we will have no problems, I’m training Manny not to get hit.” So much for picking a winner. If Cotto can't hit Pacquiao, there's no shot for him to win. Then again Roach knows he'll never have to worry about training Manny not to get hit because of the style contrast between his fighter and Cotto it's not the least bit plausible.  
 
Freddie Roach can say anything he wants in trying to build up and hype his fighters. The sad part is many fans and writers buy some of the nonsense and cookbook logic spewed by certain trainers and fighters. Most likely this is because it fits their perfect world as to how they want to see or believe various things in which their favorite fighter/trainer can be perceived as being unbeatable or the best. 
 
After Roach's remarks got out I was contacted by a Sports Radio talk show host from 950 ESPN radio in Philly. The host has had me on in the past to discuss boxing and asked about Roach's comments, being that Pacquiao-Cotto had been mentioned during a recent show. Addressing what Roach said was simple. There's nothing to it and the thought that Roach or any other trainer could teach any fighter not to get hit is ridiculous. Freddie was just throwing something out there being fully aware that somebody might buy it and create a little pre-mature banter about the fight. Trainers often try to sell themselves in a subtle way when talking to the media, despite professing they never do that and how it's always just about the fighter. The reality is most trainers don't think much of the media's boxing acumen, and thrive on the belief that most aren't confident enough in what they know to really challenge and push them on something that doesn't sound quite right, fearing that challenging the trainer could lead to him making them look foolish.  
 
If Roach was attempting to do anything it was to possibly plant the seed in Cotto's mind that if Miguel fights Pacquiao in the same manner he fought Mosley, it'll bother and trouble Manny like it did Shane. And if by chance Cotto or his corner's brain-trust bought into that, Cotto would not only be throwing away his only asset which he brings to the ring, his supposed advantage in physical strength and punching power, he'd lose practically every round if he didn't get stopped. If Cotto fights as the counter-puncher Roach (not that it's even feasible that he could) won't have to train Pacquiao any differently.  
 
That said, Cotto was forced to move away from Mosley, Margarito and Clottey because he had no choice due to them being physically stronger than him. The reason he had better success doing that versus Mosley is because Shane looks exclusively for the one punch knockout when he's forced to lead instead of looking to impose himself more physically. Margarito and Clottey were much more in their element bringing the fight to Cotto.  
 
Cotto can't wait on the smaller and quicker Pacquiao. If he doesn't impose his one known advantage, his strength/power, he has no way to win. It's imperative that Cotto's left hook is a big part of the fight or Miguel won't beat Pacquiao. There's no way around it, Cotto can't put any hurt on Pacquiao throwing his left hook or right hand as he's moving away or while he's planted with his back against the ropes. He either has to bring the fight to Pacquiao and bang him low with it so he hits something or land it during an exchange. 
 
There's only one way Cotto can fight Pacquiao if he's to win. That is he has to employ constant pressure from the opening bell and move forward and force the fight. Sort of in the manner he fought Carlo Quintana and Zab Judah when he totally wore and broke them down. Granted, Judah doesn't have the toughness and guts like Pacquiao, but he showed up at Madison Square Garden that night to win, though he eventually wilted under Cotto's pressure. If Cotto doesn't have to think about being outmuscled, he'll fight without trepidation and continue to push the fight.  
 
When all is said and done Pacquiao-Cotto comes down to a few things that'll determine the outcome of the fight, and it doesn't take a real sophisticated boxing observer to deduce them. Does Manny punch hard enough to hurt Cotto and impede him from coming after him? And will Cotto's face bust up and swell to the point where his vision becomes more impaired as the fight progresses, something that has happened in two of Miguel's last three bouts. Pacquiao is not going to outbox Cotto for twelve rounds if he's not strong enough to hold his own. If Manny can't get his attention and can't cut him up, he is going to be worked over pretty good in the fight.  
 
Lastly, if Cotto's big left hook doesn't hurt Pacquiao enough to the point where he has to hold and break off the exchanges, and Manny isn't forced to fight from bell-to-bell and can pick his spots, Cotto won't go the distance.
 
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com  
 

 

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Sunday Aug 16, 2009 09:14:28 PM
Davao Pedro:  I think Cotto fighting Pac almost the same way he fought Mosley makes a lot sense. Cotto pressuring Pac will be a bad mistake. Pac thrives on boxers thinking they are stronger than he is and think they can outmuscle Pac. Imagine Pac nailing Cotto's fragile facial skin often while Pac circles around Cotto's bullrush attempts. Cotto should let Pac come in and nail Pac when he's lunging.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 09:27:48 PM
alabazrho:  ...AND DO YOU THINK SMART COACH LIKE FREDDIE WOULD TELL EXACTLY ALL HIS PLANS TO THE MEDIA?? HE PERFECTLY KNOW THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO LURE HIM BY MEANS OF YOUR ARTICLE BUT FREDDIE IS NOT AS STUPID AS YOU ARE...OK F. LO?..LO IQ..
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:06:35 PM
lessemois:  "Please be respectful, and do not use foul language in your comment" So I would rather not to comment on this shyt.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:17:29 PM
1rhino:  Excellent article, I like the breakdown of this write up. Good concise information about the strategy of the fight.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:18:28 PM
myk:  ey mr. frank, allow me to comment specifically on the 3rd paragraph of your column. is this serious or a frank??do you really think that pacquiao nowadays needs those nonsense and cook book that you mentioned, to build him up? Did you watch the latest pacquiao fights and opponents? Are you aware how sensational they were. Don't you know that the fighter you are referring is the number 1 p4p fighter in the world and recognized as the best fighter in history of boxing? ey frank wake-up!!!!!!i think need an eraser to reveal more sense in this column.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:22:23 PM
myk:  or the Sports Radio talk show host from 950 ESPN radio in Philly should call a better of one to write this column and host must leave you as a thing in the past.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:25:53 PM
cypher:  frank, you're dumb
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:35:45 PM
jovilito1974:  I am a Manny Fan all the way, I think your point is right. Let us not forget that though Manny is the P4P he is the smaller guy in this fight, that said I commend Manny for taking bigger guys like Cotto and I love him more because of that. Just be careful Manny and train hard like you have never train hard before.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:41:43 PM
fair comment:  to the writer frank: you don't get it, do you? of course pacman will get hit by any opponent, but the way you understand about roach comment "not to get hit" is literal. he just want to avoid too many puches from cotto.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:48:27 PM
KOWatcher:  "Lastly, if Cotto's big left hook doesn't hurt Pacquiao enough to the point where he has to hold and break off the exchanges, and Manny isn't forced to fight from bell-to-bell and can pick his spots, Cotto won't go the distance." - Got it right and if Cotto taste the left "wreaking ball" of Pacquiao will produce the same result.................
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:54:42 PM
cjay:  many pacquiao hasn't been his as often in his last three fights. diaz couldn't hit him. oscar de la hoya couldn't do it also. hatton didn't last long enough to to get hs shots in. so coming into the fight manny is the fresher fighter.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 10:57:49 PM
Isaisip:  Being the naturally bigger man, Cotto can pressure and can bring the fight against the smaller Manny Pacquiao. But Manny Pacquiao thrives with his speed and power and can capitalize on the agressiveness of his opponent. Whether Cotto pushes the fight or chooses to counter punch, Manny will be smart enough to execute his game plan. Although I believe that Miguel Cotto is the most dangerous fighter that Manny Pacquiao will ever face, I believe Manny Pacquiao will win this fight, be it in a shorter or later rounds.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 11:10:30 PM
isidro:  Freddie Roach is so confident and not just talking to hype up things for the coming match.So far what he did predicts came true and missed by a round only with Hatton.ODLH quit as he did predict a knock out and it indeed happened.To say now he can knockout Cotto is not a hype or arrogance but simply base from his record simply predicts the outcome of the scheduled fight.Therefore if a lot of people will believe him it is not sad but a proven right up to this moment until it is not.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 11:11:32 PM
LearnFigureOfSpeech:  This article is simply absurd. The writer needs to learn figure of speech. Roach does not litterally mean pacquiao will not get hit. But to lessen the frequency or impact of the hit. It is outrageous that the writer even thought that not being hit in an entire boxing fight is what roach means.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 11:17:14 PM
fxcv:  simply like this....first,the pacman will win 100 percent if the fight come to distance.second, if it wont last 12 rounds, two fighters have the chance to win by knock out.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 11:23:49 PM
Arnie:  Freddie havd had good predictions in the past. Whose not buying his comments this time? The Mayweathers: he shamed them.You are pure just jealous of his achievements. Yoou must make predictions so that people may call you Notradamus (probably). Your write up tells me you are selling yourself. WHo are you compare to Freddie? I just happened to read your bad-mouthing write up. This would be the last.
Sunday Aug 16, 2009 11:29:54 PM
WAKAPAK:  i agree with you bro, but this is the most dangerous fight for pacman for now...but i do believe manny can win because he's a Filipino with a warriors heart and a religous person. GO MANNY, MAKE US PROUD and CEMENT your legacy as a 7TH DIVISION TITLE HOLDER.......WAKAPAK!!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:45:43 AM
doge:  i agree with isidro. you're article failed to point out the roach made some correct prediction from previous fight and now he is just BS-ing. I doubt that. I would be right though that although you "seem to know it all" on this fight, your previous articles from dlh or hatton fights with pacquiao is not even worth mentioning cuz your wrong. Next time it would be nice to put that in if you are that credible.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:50:08 AM
Jet G:  could cotto knock hatton out cold and put him to lie on the canvass for more than 5 minutes?if not,then the power advantage goes to the pac.i could never see an advantage of cotto over the pac.this is a mismatch i believe and i don't think pundits got to break down all the elements just to predict who will be the winner.the only chance cotto has is a lucky punch...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:06:11 AM
Bill:  Everyone underestimates Manny's Power. With 7lbs of muscle added to his already strong frame. He will pack more power and also more armor for this battle and still will be way faster then Cotto. Pac always destroys fighters that punch 1 or 2 combo's at a time. If you look at Judah's fight vs Cotto he was only throwing single punches. Can Cotto handle 3 or 4 combo's that will come from every angle. with blazing speed causing cuts all over Cotto's face. Mark my word Cotto's face will be bleeding alot!!! Blood in his eyes will be very dangerous against PAC. Thats why he is P4P King. Dont underestimate P4P King. People dont learn there lesson. Its just a fact that he is that good of a boxer. Cotto is fighting the BEST EVER This Decade. PAC shows no fear!! But Cotto has!!! Even pac gets cut he attacks . When Cotto gets cut he runs!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:26:06 AM
Crazy:  I dont think Cotto is stronger then Pac. He maybe bigger but not stronger. Pac is very strong for a little man. Just because someone is bigger doesnt make him automatically the stronger fighter. You could go by physics. both fist size are similiar but whats different is velocity. Pac may throw his fist faster causing more damage.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:33:19 AM
Dzon:  It's a very good fight! I hope the PACMAN will win!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:45:23 AM
marco:  the only chance cotto has is not a lucky punch....based on his past fights, cotto's lucky chances are his intentional dirty tactics...zab is about to finish him but because of his intentional low blows, cotto survived. he did it also to clottey and he even lifted and thrown down his quick german opponent....hahaha what a shame.... referree please be fair and firm not only by saying it but do it....so that no corner will just throw a towel for your unfair decision.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:58:48 AM
vladimir:  2 sentences from Roach and it took you around 680 words to break it down.... I say Roach's strategy is working!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:13:27 AM
ojji:  i think you and me know what freddie roach means by saying 'his training pacman not to get hit'. it is to minimize the percentage of being hit by the opponent and when you can do that, a fighter is better off than being hit most of the time. my two cents.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:15:14 AM
Anonymous user:  im a filipino but i believe cotto is more powerful & bigger than pacquiao. that is why i love this game to test pacquao. i still go for pacquiao though i think he has the slim chance of winning. his only chance is to play smart... with his speed.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:35:17 AM
larkie_romblon:  Freddie Roach can teach Manny not to get hit! since Manny is the one always attacking his opponents...WHY NOT! its another strategy by Roach and it can work for Manny..."HIT and DONT BE HIT" as simple as that....
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:53:05 AM
mike:  roach doesnt need to sell himself stupid! his proven!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 04:19:02 AM
Pepoy:  I think when freddie said that he will train manny not to get hit, he means not getting hit in body areas he is most vulnerable and at body's weak points. Obviously, its ridiculous if manny wont get hit. what makes cotto then? so i believe i know what freddie means and if the plan works out then there is a big possibility manny could win.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 04:36:20 AM
manny on the go!:  Ireackon manny is on his best. Whoever the opponent will the like outcome will be manny will beat him. Its his time and crowning glory!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 04:48:31 AM
wanna be writer:  youre talking like youre better than roach. Roach is they called the nostradamus of boxing while youre unknow not even counted in the boxing world. Get real dont plead for attention sucker.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 05:18:51 AM
jakston:  If you had just base your bets on Roach's last 10 predictions, you could have won more buck than writing any of these nonsense posts.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 05:46:56 AM
vic a. endriga:  i think it is within the right of freddie roach to say what he wants to say. and because he is newsworthy, you people should respect his pronouncements. in the first place, to us boxing fans what is on the mind of freddie roach is important and your job as writers is to accurately report on such interviews. as opinion writer, your point of view is nothing more than what we afficionados have to say. it's just your personal point of view and you are not a trainer nor a boxer who can be considered an authority on this matter. yes, you have a good grasp of what is boxing but the nitty gritty of preparing or conditioning a boxer is none of your job. so, please be fair in your comments and don't play suspicious. ok?
Monday Aug 17, 2009 05:47:30 AM
mekiko:  il bet my house on it.. but not against floyd.. cotto is slow.. and that is doable..manny has the fastest foot movement... so freddie talkinf about this stuff is sure fire.. ATG trainer he is.. i'm a believer of freddie.. and he got the best student of the sport
Monday Aug 17, 2009 05:56:38 AM
yohan de doulos:  let's wait and see...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 06:21:35 AM
new era:  Roach knows best for Pacquiao. Manny 's execution of fights is always done according to game plan. That's why they are so far the boxing's best tandem. Undeniably, Cotto is the most formidable foe ever among Pacquiao's fight. It's only fair Roach should take care all retouches to hone the boxing talent of Pacquiao. This is not a walk in the park but a hard battle for the Pacman.., but I believe, Pacquiao will emerge the winner.., by knockout.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 06:43:31 AM
Mojo98:  That's exactly what FR is trying to say "he'll make sure and train Pacquiao to avoid and ''not get hit'' by a Lucky Punch" w/c is the only way Cotto could win. I think FR should hire back Michael Moorer to give Pac an advise based on his firsthand experience! LOL!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 07:27:52 AM
perry ayos:  My prediction,brutal and bloody KO in 3 for Pacquiao.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 07:30:56 AM
jetgeomcx:  cotto's main chance is his vaunted left hook. manny has a lot of things to offer in the ring. cotto's constant pressure can work to his disadvantage..."eager beaver, over eager"!!! manny's power is much underrated until now. all haters and naysayers will see the light after cotto hits the canvass...big and heavy as he comes!!..potato sack!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 08:00:31 AM
braveheart:  of course, everybody gets hit. Training Pacquiao not to get hit does not mean he won't get hit at all. Do you think Mayweather has not been get hit at all however good he is defensively? I don't see anything wrong with Roach's statement. Good article. Cotto should impose his natural advantage, his size and power. I think Hatton did that too although he lost. This is a different fight though. Pac should try not to get hit and use his speed.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 08:42:40 AM
punisher77:  Did you see how hatton was knocked out by pacman? i dont think cotto cant even do that to hatton. I mean the power is just tremendous. And i know if pacman land another hook to cotto he's a dead man!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 08:45:36 AM
NativeFightFan:  All trainers train their fighters not to get hit, it's called defense, the problem is getting a fighter to use defense during the fight. Pac has been taught in the past how to use defense, but what is different here is that it will be a change of fight plan. Freddie will have to have him punch in 1 and 2 punch combos with constant movement (like in the ODLH fight) and no multi punch salvos. This is when Pac will be in danger of Cotto's counter punches. I think the biggest problem for Pac will be Cotto's jab, it caused Shane trouble and JMM caused Pac trouble with his in both of their fights. Cotto's jab will set up the KO punch, Cotto KO in 9 over Pac.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:05:16 AM
pacbone:  do you remember the mistake of ricky? his game plan,,to pressure pacman from the opening round... and guess what happened???
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:27:47 AM
MJ:  i think the only way cotto can win is to counter punch pacman like marquez did.. jjm is the only person who ever came close to beating pacman.. but if cotto tries to pressure pacman like hatton did, i say this to you, cotto will end up like hatton! study pacman's fights.. he is strong but he is still improving with his defense... and i really think thats the only way cotto can win this fight, if he counter punch the pacman! im still a fan of cotto but because im a proud pinoy, im with the pacman!!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:30:38 AM
judge:  Cotto may be outclassed, outpunched and out -everything but he still has a puncher's chance. Pac will beat him for sure, in what manner I am not sure but he must be careful because it take only a split second in loss of concentration for one punch to hit its target and everything goes bye-bye. Be careful Manny Pacquiao because you will get one chance to make Philippine Boxing history. I will be praing for your success.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:33:21 AM
Machingo69:  You guys are CRAZY !!!! Cotto will KO this little dude like you have no idea. I'll go even further and say that Cotto will punish Pacquiao sooo hard, that it will probably affect his career for life.... I can't wait for Cotto to punish this dude....
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:47:38 AM
zdrx:  good but utterly wrong analysis. your fight plan for cotto to destroy pacman is the same as oscar's and hitman's. look, what happened to them...they were battered and retired. you can't win against my idol by sheer power and naked force. you must have reflexes faster than lighting and something inside your head to support it. if you don't have this, well, you can always try your luck.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:50:24 AM
Uruk-Hai:  Frank Lo must be the stupidiest.. If ever there was a word for that among all TSS writers. Calling David Avila again... why do u let this dude post in ur site, when ur getting credit for good articles and balanced posting u let this dude who has no idea of the word UNBIASED. Pac is actually hard to hit. Take a good look at his last 3 fights. He barely got touched against opponents who are slower than him. Now this dude talks as if he hasnt watch Pac's recent fights. Cmon Avila! Do the right thing and not let this writer port pin-ups which pose itself as write-ups. You dnt even need to post this comment. Just do the right thing.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:54:03 AM
Badong:  You took Roach's statement literally. Pac is no Willie Pep. You took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Davao Pedro is right. That strategy will surely fail because Cotto will eat a lot of leather coming forward and Pac would be gone before he can throw that hook and that would not be nice because if Cotto got cut early, there is no way he can see Pac's high speed punches and it would be an early TKO. Cotto should box. Pac has a problem with boxer/counterpuncher. But then again, Cotto's not known as a boxer so they will have to come up with something really new to confuse and beat Pac.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:54:47 AM
NEO:  Cotto will win by KO to the body in the 9th.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 10:18:05 AM
Ted:  This fught can go either way. If Cotto wins, he beat up a smaller guy. If Pacquiao wins, Cotto's supporters will have all the excuses in the world, ie.. Margarito did to him and was never the same again,etc.. Excuses never come from Cotto. He is the most respectable boxer out there in the same class as Pacquiao.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 10:25:08 AM
ZERO :  Pacman will not sustain the body punches from Cotto. Cott wins in the 9th round.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 10:27:43 AM
brownsugar:  I dont' think Cotto should be made that much of an underdog,.. he's a real welter fighting a beefed up junior welter,.. and unlike Hatton and DLH,... who were basically finished before they ever began,.. Cotto will catch Manny at some point during the fight with some "real" punches,.. the article sounds very technical,.YES,.. OF COURSE ALL BOXERS GET HIT sometime,.. but there are boxers who get less than others,.. and some who hardly ever absorb many hard,. flush,...shots at all,... so if there's somebody out there who knows how not to get hit(much),.. why couldn't it be taught to somebody else,...Pacman's highly mobile offense was more than enough to prevent him from taking any damage in his last 2 fights,.. and it will serve him well in the Cotto fight,.. but Cotto can be like the OLD Cotto in this fight,.. against a smaller man,.. Cotto can be the predator,..body puncher,.. and stalker for most of this bout if he chooses to,... but if he is not effective at it,.or doesn't set up properly,... Pac will take advantage of the veteran champ...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 10:59:54 AM
Anony:  GREAT LOGIC but I don't think Freddie was setting the bait. He just talks and talks trying to be charm to the asian media. One good thing about Cotto is that he's a very intelligent fighter, he will study Manny during the first rounds and then take it from there. I guess his only concern is to have a brilliant conditioning because Pacquiao will be all over the ring. No disrespect to Manny fans but Cotto just needs to cut the ring, corner Manny and start hitting VERY HARD to make sure he gets hurt and down. Notice that Cotto is not taking any risk here, he is already training and when he talks to the press he always talk about the conditioning. He knows this is the key to win Manny. Expect a great fight. A classic!!!!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:09:33 AM
betlog:  frank lo, it look like mayweathers and you have attended the same school. you write and talk too much but never understand at all. your IQ has been revealed so never write and do analysis again , please.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:14:26 AM
brownsugar:  Me and my family have enjoyed watching Cotto for years,.. and we enjoyed rooting for him to win in some of his close fights,.. We also consider Pacman a huge favorite in my household,.. but we won't abandon Cotto just because some of the shine was knocked him in his last few fights,.. he still brings the heart and warrior mentality,... so while we have Pacman being a slight favorite to win,.. Cotto can still put a halt to the Pacman Tour if he gets himself prepared properly...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:14:59 AM
JUNMAX:  Cotto a counter puncher? He should develope his hand speed first for him to be an effective counter puncher. The problem for Cotto is he has problems moving in the ring. He lateral movements are very short. head movements are not that active also making him an easy target.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:04:48 PM
derema:  Frank you hit it on the head. I'm tired of these guys (trainers & Fighters) saying anything and biased fans want to believe it. Roach wants the media and people to think he invented boxing, and Pacquiao fans want to believe it. It's as if the minute you criticized Roach and suggested that Manny's not a lock to win they all stopped reading. A case can be made that Pacquiao is at best 1-1 versus Marquez, and as Mayweather has consistently pointed out, a washed up Erik Morales out-boxed him. It never ceases to amaze me how biased fans are. BTW, Teddy Atlas picked De La Hoya and Hatton to beat Pacquiao, so I guess my fellow posters know more and are better qualified to discuss boxing and train fighters then he is. As usual, great insight and your experience and background results in you writing over the head of those arm-chair and know it all boxing fans.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:08:11 PM
geepee:  unless Cotto would be a counter puncher like JMM(which seems impossible)..or caught PAC offguard(which is possible) then that would be one of his biggest chance in winning this fight.its really not about PAC's power because he really has those no matter what logical angle you are lookin at..what is scary is Cotto can be hit off guard and can be rocked by someone not known for their power(remember the DeMarcus"Chopchop"Corley fight in PR?) and not to take out anything against Corley but if he had rocked Cotto,would anyone say that PAC has less power than Corley?i guess not..and PAC would be landing a lot of those not just once like Corley did?!I've questioned PAC 3 times fighting a larger opponent and i was wrong 3 out of 3..
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:32:49 PM
EM@Anony:  Anony, pls put in an email so posts show up. Thanks
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:36:39 PM
JASON:  Manny will be win... iam sure 101%... we knew manny's power.. its like a monster can knocking down any opponent.. many opponent kissing the floor,, most of them ... did you notice?,,,, frank has thick thinking, very literal.....be smart frank..... not to get hit is to avoid or minimize to be hit by an opponent..
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:40:57 PM
MisterLee:  Pacquiao has elusive footwork, cotto has a weak chin (he couldn't sustain pressure while fists are flying everywhere), and Roach has taught Khan to box 12 rounds without getting hit often (though Koultenik and Cotto are two diffferent creatures). I've learned not to doubt anything Roach says. See ya'll later! Pacquiao KO within 5 rounds. *Grilling crow!*
Monday Aug 17, 2009 12:50:37 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Great post by the regs on here. This is how I see the fight, Cotto will pressure Pacman to use his size advantage. BUT THAT'S NOT A GOOD GAMEPLAN FOR HIM AS PAC WILL COUNTER HIM WITH "THE MANILA ICE" OR THE VICIOUS LEFT CROSS. Eventually Manny will hurt Cotto with those shots that will make MC into a counter puncher. THAT'S ALSO NOT A GOOD GAMEPLAN AS MANNY WILL PUT HIM OUT WITH THE "STRAIGHT LEFT" THAT MOST OF THE FIGHTERS HAVE HAD TROUBLE AVOIDING(except Marquez). By making such a comment don't make Manny a big favorite it's just as simple as that. This fight should only be a 2-1 in favor of Pacquiao as we can't count out Cotto who is powerful with both hands and has become a more inteligent fighter.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:11:37 PM
MisterLee:  Cotto's weak chin vs. Pacquiao's footwork. Mr. Lee's crow vs. the naysayers. Holler! for certain!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:27:52 PM
MisterLee:  I'm sure pacquiao hits harder than Zab Judah (almost dropped cotto in round 1 with a right uppercut), and from what Rasheed Holloway says, hits harder than Margacheato. Sooo... and since Pacquiao is TOO fast for anyone over 130, Pacquiao by 5th Rd. TKO or less. Holla! I'm thinking within 4 rounds, but i'm playing it safe! Pc!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:29:13 PM
MisterLee:  Remember Ricky Hatton's "pressure" and "rough and brawl" style was supposed to "present problems for pacquiao moving on his backfoot" and that "what if pacquiao's punches would not affect Hatton (or de la hoya)" ahem, guess that didnt' work out! Even the best boxing writers gave Hatton a fighting chance, cotto only has ONE PUNCH, ONE PUNCH, I feel like i'm taking crazy pills! Take care! :) I invented the piano necktie, what did HE do??!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:31:09 PM
MisterLee triples the jab, Jack Loew smiles and paves away:  Oh yeah, and pacquiao WAS the stronger on May 2nd (it's simple and PLAIN, after May 2nd hatton was NEVER the same!), in't it? :) Let's see if pacquiao can be rather "cagey" and "cute". Holla! Hail to the Geordies :)...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:34:19 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite waking up in Maynila knowin that Cotto-Pacquiao is gonna be a thrilla! H:  Good spittin,' Fighter elite -- turn Fightwriter complete -- F-Lo. I like da way ya flow. But I know somethin' that you don't know. Okay -- lmfao -- I'm spillin' da beans. Don't teeeeellllllllllll nooooobodeeeee that I told you. Cotto is full of it. Talkin' about mythical believes. The cat has hired a South African witch doctor to get him into condition and to put a curse on Manny. Team Cotto done lost their minds. They need Uncle Evangelista back in that darn corner. Talkin' about desperate. OMG! We got somethin' for them, though -- a wakwak! Y'all bettah ask somebodeee! A wakwak curse is stronger than a Santeria witch doctor in any sec of da day. Cotto won't have a great punch or power. Manny will stand over him like a tower. It's gonna be a fight to see in round one, two and three. Then in round four, Miguel want be able to take any more. This bout is gonna be another PacMan easy conquest. He is simply da BEST. It PacMan TIME! He is gonna shine, shine, shine. He is one boxing dime. Holla!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 01:42:54 PM
Robert Curtis:  I think Roach's few words were just a casual remark. Freddie is always trying to add something new to Manny's game. When he works the pads with Manny, he has subtle agendas. Under Freddie’s tutelage, Manny has grown about as fast as a baby elephant does in its first few weeks. I remember not long ago when Manny was still a lunging lefty bomber often throwing himself off balance. Now Manny is a two-handed fighter with great footwork. Maybe Freddie is trying to inculcate a little of old Archie's "escapology" on the sly. Inculcate! Grab your dictionaries, TSS regulars!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:01:04 PM
MisterLee:  To teach or impress thru repetition. Holla!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:05:20 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite reminding my peeps 2 b respectful :  Lahat ang mga Pinoy at mga Pinay, paki magka-mababait. F-Lo is just doing his job. Kilala ako siya. Nagboksingero siya para kay Joe Frazier boxing club sa noong late 1970s at early 1980s. Pinakataas ang IQ ng boksing niya. Kahit ano, malalman kami that Manny ay magkamanalo. Anybody can say anything gusto-gustong sila. Anong ba oras na! Syempre alas PacMan! SIgagawan kami, talaga! Holla!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:08:56 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  Wow! Bobby C! "Escapology!" You are gettin' ya' comedy on! You can bet that Manny is also going to use whup-assology. Holla!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:15:05 PM
donputo69 on my way cali:  yo Radam G...i will be staying in compton this week....wanna meet up?....or your hood is malibu?...lol....anyway....roach is doing a smart thing....training pacman not to get hit....whoopi damn do....lol....he better train hard, because cotto is coming after that tiny little body all night long....but like my boy anony said....this should be a classic....win or lose, pacquiao and cotto should keep their heads up....cotto in 12....by TKO.....holler....oooops....did i said holler?....lol....thats misterlee's line.....lol....my bad.....holla back!!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:25:23 PM
donputo69 on my way to cali:  BTW....i see all of the 85% of non boxing fans in here....wow....names that i've never seen in my life....that goes to show ya....PACMAN IS LIKE GOD IN HIS COUNTRY....lol....so the other 85% of his fans followed him where ever he goes....lol....holla back!!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:30:48 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  TSS is in full effect! "Volume puncher" MisterLee overwhelms as usual, Radam spittin lyrically all day everyday, R. Curtis is back on scene with his knowledge, Donputo69 is back on looking for a grudge(friendly one) to let you know who's the #1 Cotto fan, same goes for Anony, and brownsugar tells it like it is. Where else would you want to be right now? TSS? Hells yeah!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:55:22 PM
Gardena LOC:  Cotto will force the action no doubt about it. Pacman will get hit, and we will see how he can take a shot to the liver. Cotto is no drained out past his prime delahoya and he isn't an overrated drunk fighter like ricky hatton. This is an animal looking for blood
Monday Aug 17, 2009 02:58:38 PM
Ed:  I call BS. come on, you really have got to be lacking a huge amount of brain power to actually take the literal meaning of what Roach said.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:03:11 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite not going to Cali anytime soon:  I'm in Maynila Philippines right now, Don. Ain't tryin' to be right outta Compton, whenever I'm up in Cali, USA. Man, I wouldn't even drive through Compton. Don't you know those gangsters and hoodlums murdered Billy Cosby's son a few years ago, and the Tennis-playing Williams sisters' sister? And the murderers were white! Darn! I got a few relatives, including a sister, hooding up in Malibu. But I'm a LaMesa/Helix Height, Cali man. I will probably be in Cali for a minute in September to see Cristobal "The Nightmare" Arreola knock da Fudge out of Doc Vitali "Rust from pee pee ironfists" Klitschko. Mexicans and Cali-Mexicans in the Philippines will be in my posse of Pinoys for the Cali-Mexican Crusher. I travel in a group at all times. This world is wildingly crazy, nowadays. Holla!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:06:52 PM
MisterLee:  @ #1 pacsage, word up! All i need is some brits to get it on: Yuvie, Fistic Fury, Andy from Newcastle, they're classic! Then some ultimoshogun, in touch then it'll be solid. Also, I would mind if Erik Mor... I mean SOHK and Salt Lover come out of semi -retirement! And if Kramer, I mean SmileyC drops his one-liner and grain of boxing knowledge. Holler back members of the opposite gender! I would very much appreciate such a gesture! Thank you!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:07:00 PM
MisterLee:  @ #1 pacsage, word up! All i need is some brits to get it on: Yuvie, Fistic Fury, Andy from Newcastle, they're classic! Then some ultimoshogun, in touch then it'll be solid. Also, I would mind if Erik Mor... I mean SOHK and Salt Lover come out of semi -retirement! And if Kramer, I mean SmileyC drops his one-liner and grain of boxing knowledge. Holler back members of the opposite gender! I would very much appreciate such a gesture! Thank you!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 03:07:36 PM
arturo:  I don't like Freddie Roach a whole lot but he has been accurate about his methods and the results in his fighters bouts.I still find it hard to see Manny taking Cottos punches.Ive seen the Oscar/Pacquiao fight about 5 times.The few hits that Oscar landed seemed to hurt Manny but they were too far apart from each other to cause any damage.This fight is just as interesting as the Mayweather/Marquez fight . can't wait !
Monday Aug 17, 2009 04:55:36 PM
Real Talk spreading my wings on the bar !!!:  Pull ups got me feeling like a Dragon !!!! Huuuugh !!! I'm eating chicken breast and vegatables all day watching the fat melt away !!! My sweet lady coming down from Queens because she want that old thing back . Say she aint had it like this since, but aha what can I say...... Anyway Pacman is going to be a problem IF...and that's a big IF ...he can keep the fight at a distance. Cotto can box and can nuetralize speed. Quintana, Judah, Mosley to name a few. Cotto has unorthodox movement , hard to catch his rhythm. I watch his fights enough, it's smooth....deceptive. Cotto will have the power advantage and Pac the speed . If Cotto gets in his rythym I see him doing damage and taking rounds, if not I see Pacquiao on'em like a wasp . Either way aint nere one of'em going down easy or quietly . I'm leaning Cotto on this one. My pick is final after the weigh in. Whoooow!!! Can't wait for this one !!!! Yeeeeeown!!!!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 08:14:44 PM
james:  the only way to beat the pacman is to allow him surge forword and anticipate his side step to the right then throw hook and back down. never engage him. see the jmm fight, he neutralized pacquiao's footwork and handspeed by allowing pacman to enter, then he counter.but still it was not enough.. but that will be the best strategy.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 08:22:34 PM
the Roast:  Speed and southpaw style will be the difference. Pacman by KO in 8 or 9.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:27:05 PM
noypee:  Training a fighter not to get hit simply means making a fighter skillful in blocking and/or avoiding punches, especially the hard ones. You don't have to be boxing wiz to figure that out. This Puerto Rican has the strength, but lacks the speed and cunning cunning of JMM to beat Manny. Still, Manny by KO!
Monday Aug 17, 2009 09:43:23 PM
Arturo:  Its been a good run for the Pacman but I think that Freddie might of underestimated Miguel Cotto.I like Mannys mobility and hip movement but Miguel is a pretty good boxer with good speed and power.I am going with the underdog on this one and it will set up a Marquez Pacquaio 3 for early 2010
Monday Aug 17, 2009 10:21:04 PM
Steve the hater:  Roach is full of S...t he knows Cotto wont be able to keep up with Pacman........... so Pacman in 6 or less,holla.....
Monday Aug 17, 2009 10:22:16 PM
Erik:  Roach is smart enough to convince the average boxing fan that Cotto actually poses a threat, even though Roach knows he doesn't. They cherry picked this guy who has looked bad in 2 out of his 3 last fights and now they have to make him look like he actually has a chance, which he doesn't. Look for a boring fight in which Pacquiao dominates Cotto for a few rounds then KOs him within 6. This will not be the "war" which everyone says it will be. No way in hell will it be anything close to fight of the year.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:07:51 PM
oskar:  Roach isn't literally saying his teaching Manny not to get hit. The way I see it he's going to teach Manny how to spot and avoid big shots like Cotto's jab and left hook. Slip and defend the way Manny avoid a punch against Oscar and Ricky. We can watch it in slowmo...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:13:54 PM
blue4cor:  It's this SIMPLE. Cotto is not that tall. He is within striking distance off Pacquiao's most devastating combinations. If Pac fists can reach Oscar's towering face with tremendous power, how much harder it is gonna land on Cotto's reachable face. Cotto is the slowest among the last 3 opponents Pacquiao has faced. Manny Pacquiao by KO in the middle of 7th. Right after this Pacquiao historic victory, Floyd will announce his retirement for good to avoid Pacquiao.Lol.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:17:36 PM
Arturo watchin Chavez demolish Rosario for the title:  Cotto slower than Diaz?slower than a shot ODH? U r crazy... Cotto outboxed everyone he has ever fought except for the last 5 rounds against Margarito. But we all know Margarito had those gloves loaded up . I'm not saying Cotto is a future legend but he will hurt Manny when they square off
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:40:52 PM
young gun:  The way Cotto can beat Pacquiao is to counter-punch. I think as a boxing fan, one has to be unbiased and eliminate any predisposed ideas about certain fighters. I find it interesting that since Pacquiao has moved up from lightweight, the majority of people keep saying that, no matter who the opponent is, the key to beating Manny is to use size and power. We should all know by now that any opponent of Pacquiao has a lot more to think about than just a size and strength advantage. Pacquiao is susceptible to an efficient fighter who can fight backing up or with his back on the ropes which Cotto does superbly. Margarito survived this style because his chin is unlike anyone else's and Clottey also did well because his fortress defense is nearly impenetrable. Manny does not have the granite chin of Margarito nor the exceptional blocking of Clottey. He has developed excellent footwork and great head-movement but will that be enough to avoid Cotto's punches? Marquez was breaking Manny down by doing this until he decided to come forward, he then lost his edge over Manny in their second fight. Cotto has to fight defensively from rounds 1-8 then once he has done substantial damage, dedicate the last 4 rounds to coming forward and unleashing devastating punishment we all know he is capable of. Manny will not tire so Cotto has to plant the body-punching seed early in the fight. Cotto can definately win this fight, if he does not allow himself to get convinced that his "size advantage" is the key to victory...
Monday Aug 17, 2009 11:47:49 PM
boyarate:  ur no expert at all. just because u view differently, doesnt mean the other is wrong. tsk tsk tsk. i hate your writing style. and what do u mean by "Saying Cotto nullified Mosley's hand speed is a myth"? mosley wasnt able to use it in their fight, how can that be a myth? the question u should ask yourself is "was mosley able to successfully use his handspeed in the fight?" coz the answer is no, cotto was able to successfully counter and constantly beat him to the punch. then, THAT, my friend proves roach's observation to be correct, and IT IS NOT A MYTH. ur nothing but a know it all.
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 12:16:39 AM
Arturo:  I better be on the next P4P list!!! CoTtO is going to shock most of u ...Manny is great but he is not a great welterweight
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 02:08:41 AM
Marco Polo:  The most effective evation made by manny against score is in round 1 against ODLH. After he straight left oscar in the face den he swing his head under the gloves of oscar so that oscar cannot counter. And Also round 1 with ricky hatton after hatton throws a left hook before he was tag and got his 1st knock down. Manny duck and slip a punch after hatton throws a raging full force left hook den hatton went down. I think manny will hit and run cotto for 6 rounds. his gonna chop cotto down and in the seventh round i see cotto going down. cross fingers that manny can survive a brut strength punch of cotto or better, he can invade them.
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 02:57:08 AM
Marco Polo:  * i mean oscar not score soryy
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 02:59:10 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Great post Marco Polo! I just don't see Cotto outboxing Manny at all. SSM is not as fast as MP is, Cotto will not avoid that stinging straight left that he won't see. Roach needs to put the RH and ODLH training camp strategy into one. When he trained for Oscar, Manny worked more on his footwork and mobility to box. Whe he trained for Hatton, MP trained more solely on his power which showed significantly on his footwork. MP was slower on his feet with Hatton while he wasn't as powerful against Oscar. Put that into one and you have "Pacmonster" with blitzing speed and power!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 09:22:18 AM
MisterLee:  Mosley is most dangerous b/c he's a two handed fighter. Cotto you just gotta avoid his left hand, circle away from it, drop some left bombs, some manila ice, some Dragon pinoy fist (shoooour you ken!!!), and cotto has a weak chin and will fade if the fight goes past round 6. Unlike Clottey, Mosley, and Margarito fights, Coto can't do the "cotton feet dance" once he's tired or in trouble, Pacquiao will finish him like a bowl of noodles, (like that? I made that up *ahem* oh yeah, my bad, keep writing...) ... Cotto's only window of opportunity is the first 2 rounds. If pacquiao survives or even beats him there, then by then, round 3, pacquiao will have adapted to his style and rhythm and will fire off bombs at will. It's not going to be a jab contest, it's gonna be lateral movement, counter straight lefts, lead right hooks, and if Cotto's cornered, teeing off, and then countering the body slam (holla!). I think this is it man, after this fight, Pacquiao will have retired Cotto, another "shot" fighter" just like Erik Morales, De la Hoya, Barrera, and all of the other fighters the Pacman ate up and shot down. With that, Pacquiao gonna own it, fight 2 more fights or so and just finish up his legacy. I don't mind seeing him finishing of his career agst mosley, if you're a legend, who's to say you can't finish off with a bang and a fan friendly fight? It goes pacquiao mayweather, pacquiao marquez, then pacquiao mosley, RETIRE! Donaire comes into the scene, and will start owning the likes of Juanma and Robert the Ghost, and sets up a fight with Pavlik, in which his staph infection relapses and has to postpone or cancel indefinitely. Holler at the opposite gender! For certain yo's!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 10:23:02 AM
Arturo:  Wow! U guys come up with some fascinating strategies for Manny , I wonder if Freddie reads TSS to picj up some knowledge.DO you guys think Cotto is. Just going to go in there and receive punches just like PAcquiao's last three opponents?
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 10:47:51 AM
MisterLee @ Arturo:  Yep!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 11:03:24 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @Arturo, I think Freddie does, I came up with the RH gameplan way before it was even announced. I said from the start that it was going to be Hook vs Hook and Chin vs Chin. The Manila Ice was money though...I don't mind Roach trying to get some info. You can never learn too much. Sh*t! I'm not even close to peaking yet. That's why I'm here, going to start introducing this sport to my son. Great post MisterLee!! You've surpassed my expectations!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 11:23:55 AM
Anony @ Pacquiao fans:  IT'S THE 9TH ROUND AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT FIGHT SO FAR... Both fighters are swollen and have gave us a real war so far. On one side, Manny has connected hard and well and has been able to move out of danger beautifully while Cotto has connected good punches as well and been able to neutralize Manny flurries from time to time.... Oh but wait!!!!!! Now Cotto cornered Manny and have connected a meaningful left hook to the body and Pacquiao is protecting himself with his elbows leaving himself expose to punishment!!!!!! and.... Oh no... he did it again, he got Pacquiao in his knees now due to another left hook and the referee is doing the 8th mandatory count!!!!!!! Pacquiao rises and go straight to Cotto to establish respect and make him retreat... he does it!!!! He is connecting Cotto in combinations.. three and four punches lands in Cotto's body and face... Cotto goes to the corner and Manny follows with more punches coming from everywhere... Oh wait.. now Cotto "slip and moves ala Robinson" and got Manny cornered again hitting combinations.. Manny tries to move out of danger but Cotto forces him to the corner and WHAMMMMMMM... Oh no.. .Manny is down again with a body shot and a short right hand to the chin!!!!!!! The referee pushes Cotto to neutral corner and start counting on the Asian hero... he looks dizzy but makes it for the 8th count again... this time Cotto comes to push the fight while Manny retreats trying to buy time.... Oh no!!!!!! Cotto punched Manny again with a hook and down goes Pacquiaoooooo... the third down rules applies and now Cotto is the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The MGM is going mad!!!!!! The Boricuas here make so much noise that I can't even hear myself!!!!!!!! This is crazy, in my 70 years of boxing coverage I haven't witness such a loud crowd!!!!!! Oh wait.... now Pacquiao and Cotto hug each other and the crowd goes mad again giving the two humble warriors a roaring round of applause!!!! Oh God... I thought I have seen it all but no. The crowd - Asian and Puertoricans - are hugging each other now and chanting Manny!!, Cotto!!, Manny!!, Cotto!! as a tribute to this fight for the ages.... AN INSTANT CLASSIC!!!!!! To wrap it up I have to say that this truly has been an honor to attend and cover this fight. I know the world is a better place tonight!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 02:39:43 PM
Smiley C:  Yes, Arturo! Fo' sure!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 03:05:15 PM
Darkshark:  Wait a minute, did you just suggest that Cotto come forward and pressure Pac for 12 rounds? Of course that worked out so well for Hatton.... I know they're different fighters but lets be honest here, Pac dealt with everything Hatton threw at him with contemptuous ease, and Pac was able to avoid virtually every left hook thrown at him - mid way through the second round he shrugged one off his shoulder to get Hatton in a corner. I'm not saying Pacs gonna have an easy night, or that he's a dead cert to win, but if Cotto fights the way you suggest it'll be a short night for Manny...
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 04:28:44 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite callin' it from Maynila, P.I:  I've borrowed Real Talk's crystall ball, so I know that Cotto is gonna fall. And it's will be quick. Manny is just too fast and slick. Cotto will feel the power of PacMan's punch early, and take off. But it will be to no avail, Manny is not gonna let that ship sail. Oops! I see somethin in the crystall ball -- WAIT! I can see it -- it is coming in clearly now: Cotto is gettin' on his dance, but this bout ain't no "Dancing with da stars"' romance. For PacMan, this bout is a breeze. Cotto is about to freeze. He'll definitely is getting stage fright. With his Uncle E, not in da corner, things are not going right. For PacMan, Top Notch Coach "No Joke" Freddie Roach and chief second-in-command Michael Moorer have come up with a no-lost plan. This bout is no match. The training duo have given PacMan an easy whoopa-whop batch. Punch after punch, Miguel seems to catch. Ouch! Thud! Zapp! DING! Rouns two ends. The bell is close to ringing to end round three. KABOOM! Down goes Cotto! Down goes Cotto! Down goes Cotto! He's own his feet. The referee is checking him out. The bout resumes in round four. Rata, tak!, tak! Cotto takes a left, a right, an uppercut! !0 punches with no return, Cotto catches. The ref steps in! PacMan has DONE IT! In round four, another easy victory, he snatches! Holla!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 06:04:24 PM
MisterLee:  @ #1 pacsage, i ain't no darn genie! I'm just a volume puncher, punching away, missing and hitting! That's all. :) I can't wait until the excuses after the Cotto loss: "Cotto had a new trainer, wasn't adapted. There were problems making weight and his camp was a mess, he was about to pull out like a Pavlik-style contraceptive! Cotto was already shot. Cotto wasn't the same since Margacheato. Cotto was sick or off that night! " Etc. Let's see here, Pacquiao is about 5x faster than Clottey, can we agree on that? Clottey hit cotto at will. Pacquiao punches harder and faster than Clottey, has a HUGE right hook, and he fires his left from a GD' holster man! Like remember in the Hatton fight, whenever Pac missed a straight left, it's like you felt hte wind when that punch snapped passed ricky's face like a shotgun. Pac is gonna train harder than ever: his footwork is gonna be faster, his lateral movement and his elusive in and out style will be even more sharp, he's gonna work hard on his right hook maybe to counter Cotto's left hook, and also the straight left followed by a right hook. The uppercut is gonna be raining like Mayweather's paycheck. Cotto gonna get paid a lot from 24/7 and HBO for 12 minutes of fighting for certain! Holler at the opposite gender! Pc out Tss rules!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 06:55:28 PM
Arturo:  Cotto is not the fighter who makes excuses.neither am I but you won't be wble to tell after the Pacquiao fight.If anything there will be comments like OH WELL MANNY WASN'T. A NATURAL WELTER
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 07:20:48 PM
Marco Polo:  Damn this fight is intense and full of energy compared to Mayweather and Marquez. You can see that on every boxing forums all over the world wide web when people talk about cotto and pacman. Many people are really excited but sadly its 3 months away.. Hope it will pass 5 rounds so that we can see more of some REAL warriors fight. Anyway dont see pacman stops throwing barrage of insanely angle to angle accurate left and right vulcan punch. hopes cotto can coupe up with this. I can see pacquiao doing lots of movement using the whole ring, left right, in and out den toe toe den out again..Still be very very careful with cotto's body shots and left hooks.. damn.. If only i have the CLICK universal remote control.
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 07:26:57 PM
MisterLee:  Morales 2, and Marquez 1 & 2 were the last time anyone has even made a Manny Pacquiao fight competitive. "nuff said. Holler at your significant other!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 07:34:47 PM
Marco Polo:  @Arturo We all know that manny is not a true welterweight. If he loses in this fight(Goldfish live in trees) in a tragical way, Its clear that he should be fighting in the 140lb division. That he cant really handle TRUE welterweight guys and he must accept that fact. But if he pull this off, damn.. I give full credit to pac by fighting on a higher weight class eventhough his height and frame doenst really fit in there. Power is nothing if you cant hit your target.
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 07:47:59 PM
MisterLee @ arturo:  Hey I opened my E-mail inbox and just saw this! : "Dear MisterLee, We have never met face to face, but I've read your comments on The Sweet Science dot com and really appreciate your feedback. We will take into consideration your comments in our gameplan. As you know, Manny is like a son to me, so you know we'll give everyone our best. Hope you're cheering for us and thanks the support. Sincerely, Freddie Roach. PS- Tell Radam I said 'hello'. He's a wise cat and we have a lot of history together back in the 80's. Have a nice day." Honest to god! What do you think about that?
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 08:38:30 PM
Arturo(lmao):  Hey Misterlee that's really cool! Keep up the good work.u might be good enough to be in Mannys corner in his next fight!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 10:06:36 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite tryin' not 2 b discovered:  WTF, somebodee oughta quit tellin' my bitnezz. Diz universe is dangerous. But it's all good. Holla!
Tuesday Aug 18, 2009 11:42:57 PM
MisterLee doing the "double jab":  Did I mention that Jack Loew asked me to be his assistant in the paving industry? I got connections baby!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 12:05:47 AM
Arturo:  Gotta hand it to u,with this messed up economy u got it by the throat.Can u get my to work as human punchinbag for Chris Arreola so he can prepare for Klitshco.
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 02:02:36 AM
Arturo:  Relax Radam ...nobody is trying to investigate who u r.I've seen u on tv before in the Pacquiao/DelaHoya 24/7. When Msnny was handing out money to his friends that lost some weight.he gave u like 200 dollars or something and u ran out the view as soon as u put ur sandals on
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 02:08:29 AM
Anony @ Arturo:  DUDEEEEEE.... I saw Radam G in 24/7 too!!!!! And it is true, he was the chubbiest guy who did get to loose some weight!!!! I guess he ran to the kitchen to make himself a Big mouth hamburguer!!!!! Big for anyone else but not for Radam G. He also was the same guy who was first in line to catch one of Manny's turkeys in Thanksgiving day... funny because the camera caught him biting on the turkey... jajajaja. I guess he thought it was cooked.... what a character, uh????
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 07:53:09 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  @Radam, the same crystal ball you and RealTalk are using has to be inaccurate. You have Manny winning easy while RealTalk has Cotto winning, unless he gave you an imitated one lmao. @MisterLee, you know darn well you're not just a volume puncher but you can be precise at hitting you target. You've been spot on as of late! @Arturo, us PacFans never have excuses...it's been over ten years since he lost so we haven't had the chance. And last but not least @Anony, great round by round analysis but if Cotto lands one of those left hooks to the body it won't be that easy to get Manny down. While he is in sparring sessions he lets Middleweights bang away at that body. So I'm pretty sure he'll be ready for that left hook to the body if it connects. Round 7: The left eye of Cotto is cut up from right hooks from previous rounds. Cotto is on the defensive trying to avoid that straight vicious lefts Manny has always been known for. Manny jabs jabs jabs(wow triple jab where's has this come from?) connects hard with that left on the bridge of the nose. Now Cotto's nose is broken, Cotto decides to fight fire with fire and has to face the inevitable. Manny has the ability to make you trade when you don't want to! 30 seconds left on the round and Manny is going for the kill, Manny is stalking his prey like a hungry lion who hasn't eatin' for days. Cotto is backpedalling while Manny unloads with one of those vicious left and DOWN GOES COTTO! I don't think he is going to beat the count!!!Ding Ding Ding Ding and it's all over! Manny has done the impossible, knocking out Cotto! Jim Lampley: "This phenom has to one of the greatest pound for pound fighters ever Larry." Larry Merchant: "Yes Jim, this little typhoon has really marked his place among the elites like Sugar Ray Robinson, Armstrong, and Ali."
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 09:11:24 AM
Anony @ Pacfan:  THAT WAS A GOOD ONE!!!! I'm still laughing.... It is inevitable, we all love boxing but when it comes to our boys fighting, we will have discrepancy for sure. it is a mix of love for boxing, our countries and our boxers... what is bigger than that??? No other sports have such loyal fans than us... We should make that a 'motto' statement... "For the love of our country and boxing we will pay PPV to Bob Arum" (that old fox surely got us paying again)... LOL!!!!!!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 09:25:16 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite @ #1 PacFan:  Wow! Real Talk doesn't know how to read his crystall ball, yet. He just got it. Being a cat from the Islands of mystical happens, I'm hippin' him. There are probably some Rican magicians around him pulling a trick. They can lay it on thick. You have to be slick. If you don't watch them they will hit you in the head with a brick. And say that you are one stupid d*ck! Holla!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 09:28:39 AM
Arturo@#1Pacfan:  That crystal ball that u won at Chukee Cheese is not enough to convince me that cotto ia going to lose
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 10:30:59 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  Wow! Arturo is wilding! I wonder what he is high on this time, besides being a PacHater. It is da same old story, these suckas never get da glory. PacMan win, and they continue to hate and pretend. And I continue to shout, "Later, alligator! Hater, fader, lack of money maker, no-world shaker! Holla!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 10:43:18 AM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  Hey! Good guys, like Arturo, #1PacFan and MisterLee, your teasing me or spittin' at me can really sent a certain reader in this universe into a dive of madness. The guy is a legit nutcase of jealousy, envy and hatred. He uses the slicest thing said, or teased, about as a reason to go off. This cat, with this anomy, apparently has ever been at the top of anything big. So from the bottom, he causes as much interruption and chaos as he is allowed. I'm going to be ignoring him big time. Just so you know. Holla!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 11:30:36 AM
Arturo:  Where's DonPuto? He s the only other guy that gives Cotto a chance to beat Pacman!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 01:02:16 PM
Real Talk touching down:  Not so ...buddy row !!! I picked Miguel to win this one too. My pick is finalized after the weigh in. blue4cor ?!?! Cotto slower than part time and dried out Golden Boy ?!?! Slower than Hatton ?? Did you see the Cheato fight ?? Don't pass what U smokin this way......might be laced with CRACK....or Meth or something. I know Roach don't think what U think, better not cuz he's facing a smooth moving ,deceptively fast punching Cotto , with power that's crunching. Pacman will have to fight and when I say fight I mean what we call over here clutchin. That's foreign exchange, trading, etc. 2 pitbulls going at it. One things for certain when Miguel is the stronger man it's gets ugly for the opponent !!! Wooooweee !!! I just saw Miguel slip one of those lunging lefts and give Pac some affection too the body !!! A vision.....! This aint gone be a skip in the park by a long shot. The Clottey fight can sandbag if you let it. Headbutt in the second rd. blood flowin in his eye from a double split might fool some . I aint one of'em . This may be the fight of Pacman's life or career right here, next to Marquez . We'll see. I'm out .......
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 01:45:13 PM
Anony @ Radam G:  Come on Radam G... why are you ducking me? I have allowed many comments (jabs) from you recently with no answer (due to respect to Editor Mike) and stayed low (with my great defense of course) but I can't let you steal the show cause I'm the undefeated attraction. The problem with you is that you love to throw punches in bunches but they don't do any harm. On the contrary, 2 o3 lines from me is enough to set you on fire... only to burn with no grace. Everytime. The same. Sorry dude, I'm the Klitschko-typer and you are the Mayweather-one. Always bla, bla, bla. You loose. Again.
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 03:06:47 PM
Arturo:  true stuff from RealTalk.Hope all the Manny fans accept the facts of this situation.Cotto is not no Diaz,Hatton,De la Hoya . Miguel is younger than Manny and with good experience tecqnique and speed ...lets not forget power.Im not saying Cotto is going to have a easy night or anything close , but I see Manny struggling more than what his fans expect from him.I would rather see Marquez Pacquiao but this Cotto fight might be good after all.Can't wait to see this S#!T
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 03:09:34 PM
Arturo:  Oh by the way...Freddie Roach looks funny ass hell in that picture sitting next to Manny
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 03:11:59 PM
MisterLee @ Arturo:  This is a fight, not a modelling contest! Roach can look like a Roach for all i care, he's one of the best trainers bar none! holler!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 10:44:11 PM
Cavemen Lee Commenting on Donaire snoozefest, i mean fight...:  yo yo! so i'm finally getting around to watching the Donaire fight. I'm on about round 4, and now i know why donaire didn't knockout Concepcion, he changed his style after round 1. Originally he was picking his shots with HARD counters and his famous lead left hook right cross combo (beautiful and great leverage!) Then the stupid Penaloas (granted Gerry Penalosa is one of my favorite fighters) told him "jab" more, therefore he was running around, jabbing, pit patting, doing 1-2 combos, which i don't think he's most effective. I think donaire is most effective when he's an accurate power puncher (sniper, laser like precision) with good movement. B/c he wasn't about to continually apply his height reach and power shots, he got caugh halfway thru the fight, which changed the fight around. why did he change trainers? I know it's good to learn new things, but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." i've never seen him on his bicycle before and throwing pitty pat left jabs and some rights. That's not him and i think the Penalosa's were applying a general boxing framework on to Donaire, which didn't work. Let the playa' play man! Donaire made Concepcion WINCE in round 1 with a left to the body, and he was hurting him too, then he laid off in round 2 with the jab and pitty pat punches. Dang man, donaire woulda got a 5th or 6th round TKO if he had continued like round 1. stupid penalosas. Don't change a fighter's style to please your ego nor to make him do the "right thing". It's not like Gerry himself was the best jabber, he had minimum volume, but had great stalking patience, and unloaded some nice accurate solid powerful bombs. Donaire boma ye! Fire the penalosas! get a real trainer or your dad!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 11:02:22 PM
MisterLee:  Those jabs were real weak! every jab, and 1-2 pit pat, were opportunities he could have set up a counter left hook, or gone to the body, or did the lead left hook right cross combo. so bad, and it's not like his jab has that winky wright effectiveness, clearly his best punch is his left hook and he shoulda stuck to what worked. Holler!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 11:04:28 PM
MisterLee:  Those jabs were real weak! every jab, and 1-2 pit pat, were opportunities he could have set up a counter left hook, or gone to the body, or did the lead left hook right cross combo. so bad, and it's not like his jab has that winky wright effectiveness, clearly his best punch is his left hook and he shoulda stuck to what worked. Holler!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 11:07:51 PM
MisterLee watching Christian Mijares vs. Munoz:  Mijares is an excellent fighter!
Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 11:08:18 PM
Kahlil:  pacquiao will KO cotto on the 5th round.
Thursday Aug 20, 2009 04:35:42 AM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Gettin my work on! Bzbzbz! @Arturo, very true when you say that Miguel Cotto is no D.Diaz, ODLH, and Ricky Hatton. But remember they said that about Hatton before the fight. Cotto will soon fall in that list. Next stop, PBF, then the saying goes like this that Floyd is no Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, or Cotto, right? @RealTalk, I agree that this is no walk in the park but with one flush shot landing and it's over, it goes both ways. @Anony, I hope I get my round prediction wrong and last the full twelve by MP winning. Payce.
Thursday Aug 20, 2009 09:28:36 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  Funnnnnnyyyyyyy! #1 PacFan, you got it. That what you posted will definitely be said. In additionally, some will say that Cotto was still fudged up from the Margarito beatdown. The closer we get to the start of the bout, the most I'm going with a very quick kayo. Manny is gettin' of havin' fun, so he is gonna kayo Miguel in round one. Holla!
Thursday Aug 20, 2009 01:22:31 PM
#1 PacFan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Yo Radam, when you get caught up with the Pacquiao entourage, ask Manny to distance himself from the politics a bit. I don't want to hear that MP is kidnapped by terrorists. I'm going to head out to Wildcard when the camp starts so I hope I can get some pointers from Roach.
Thursday Aug 20, 2009 02:19:50 PM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite @ #1 PacFan:  No need to worry about Manny getting kipnapped bby terrorists, not in the Pilipinas. It is an honor thing here. There is honor amongst terrorists. Certain people are off limit to be taken hostage. Manny and his family are in the group of those certain people. Besides, Family Pac and Team Pac security posses are equal to security for a head of state. The best of the best from around the world is protecting PacMan. Maybe you'd be surprised to find many ex-special forces on his security teams from America, Israel and Great Britain. And it is no way that Manny is going to distant himself from politics. This is the prize that one must paid for being a Pinoy great, an Asian great, a world great from Asia. It PacMan TIME! Pinoy TIME! Holla!
Thursday Aug 20, 2009 05:14:41 PM
Arturo:  @#1Pacfan.Don't worry about terrorist man Manny might be letting Roach go a little too far by underestimating his opponents.I mean Miguel and Floyd are in Mannys future but I don't see him beating both of them . HE IS THE MAN though .Is Roach better than Nacho Berisatain and Nazeem Richardson in ur opinion.
Friday Aug 21, 2009 01:31:45 AM
Arturo:  Yo Radam G! U think anybody is going to give Manny a fight like the kind that Jmm put up?
Friday Aug 21, 2009 01:36:50 AM
MisterLee:  Marquez got Manny's number on him! His excellent footwork, counterpunching ability, lateral movement, and ring IQ frustrates the swarming and brawling and in 'n out fighting style of manny, just like vernon forrest's strategy, boxing IQ, and long arms outdid shane mosley 5 out of 5 times. Holler!
Friday Aug 21, 2009 09:28:59 AM
MisterLee adds:  Dang it! No one's buying the Donaire debate! Tho i'm not done with it, the only parts of hte fight i thought were worthy of classic Donaire were round 1 and around rounds 7 , 8, or 9 when donaire was finally hurt again, and he reverted back this left hook and right cross combos and power punching from a distance, vs, the god-awful penalosa strategies: throw 8 jabs per minute and run side to side like a B*#(*#(. Donaire is better than that, when he throws power punches in bunches, moves and counters he's very effective. Throwing 8-10 jabs every minute, with NO combination punches, and maybe 1 right hand per two min is simply boring, ineffective, and stupid. Fire the Penalosa, rehire his dad! pc!
Friday Aug 21, 2009 09:44:32 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  NOI
Friday Aug 21, 2009 11:05:40 AM
Radam G, a most humble PacManite:  But a fat Manny will destroy a fat Marquez. A starving-130-pound PacMan is what help Marquez to last, not boxing ability. At 140 or more, Marquez doesn't rise after getting knocked da fudge down by PacMan's whoopa whop or Maynila Ice. Holla!
Friday Aug 21, 2009 11:26:38 AM
barryboy:  this fight will a rustico torrecampo experience for pac all over again!
Sunday Aug 30, 2009 05:14:24 PM
dumb_exterminator:  I am not saying you don't have a point frank..you seemingly have. But, point blank and there's this one sided argument again about muscle and toughness, power, height etc., I can't feel that you're not a Cotto fan. I mean, where is Dela Hoya's height and experience? D. Diaz' endurance and stamina?M. Marquez' counterpunching and a risen bull from knockdown ability? R. Hatton's army of fans? We all have weaknesses, even you. But then so much of your article and the rest of your gang's comments, it's sounds like you propose a propaganda to spit out coach Roach's expertise on "how to train a Manny Pacquiao...that simply means versatility and incredible adjustment and conditioning during training. Lastly, I don't want to say that Pac is a humble and a God-favored David, beating all Goliaths...
Tuesday Sep 1, 2009 09:02:34 AM
Frances B.C:  everyone has the right to express an opinion... but the fighter's fiest will prevail the fact. Its gonna be a great showdown, let see whose prediction/opinion will close after the fight.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:12:03 AM
Frances B.C:  everyone has the right to express an opinion... but the fighter's fiest will prevail the fact. Its gonna be a great showdown, let see whose prediction/opinion will close after the fight.
Friday Oct 2, 2009 08:12:52 AM

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