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James Toney: "Klitschko Sisters Don't Want To Fight Me"
By David A. Avila
While a projected heavyweight world title fight in Europe exploded into nothingness America’s James “Lights Out” Toney laughs at the outcome and wiggles his fingers at any of the so-called other titleholders to venture his way.
“I got the I.B.A. title,” says Toney in his usual brash and to-the-point style. “I make the belt (title), the belt don’t make me.”
With Vitali Klitschko’s defense against Britain’s David Haye suddenly gone, and with other heavyweight contenders by-passing Toney for a number of reasons including age, fighting style conflictions and fear of losing their places in line, it’s definitely time for someone to accept Toney’s challenge, including the Klitschko brothers.
“If I’m too old and not good enough then somebody take (knock) me out,” said Toney while at his Reseda boxing gym. “They say I’m out to pasture, then why don’t one of these so-called champions step up and finish me?”
It’s a good question.
Toney, who early in his career trained at Kronk Gym in Detroit, says that his old connection with Emanuel Steward is to blame for both Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko refusing to fight him.
“Because of Emanuel Steward, the Klitschko sisters don’t want to fight me,” says Toney, who has yet to fight since beating Fres Oquendo by close decision last November 2008. “Everybody is scared to fight me.”
The Michigan-born heavyweight now lives and trains in California and works under the guidance of Shadeed Suluki. Toney is still promoted by Goossen-Tutor Promotions, who also have top-ranked heavyweight contenders Chris “The Nightmare” Arreola, ranked number one by WBC, and Fast Eddie Chambers, ranked number one by the WBO. At one point, a fight between Arreola and Toney was discussed but that may wait until after the Riverside heavyweight gets his mandatory fight against WBC titleholder Vitali Klitschko. Or maybe it could be Toney?
Toney doesn’t like to wait and doesn’t care who he fights as long as that heavyweight is known as one of the elite.
Reseda, Calif.
On the day we visited Toney, he was in the middle of his second session. Each day he arrives early in the morning for a boxing workout. Then he returns home for rest and lunch. Around 2 p.m. Toney returns to the gym for more physical training, including strength work.
“He’s here every day,” says John “Pops” Arthur, who advises Toney on almost everything. “Sometimes he’s here at 6:30 in the morning.”
Most experts, with few exceptions, say Toney is one of the most skilled prizefighters in the last 40 years. How else could someone who stands only 5 feet, 10-inches tall withstand all comers and be able to boast that no one has ever knocked him out.
“They said Evander Holyfield was going to knock me out and look what happened,” Toney says.
Perhaps the best example of Toney’s ability was demonstrated in his rematch with Hasim Rahman at Pechanga Casino a year ago. In that fight, Toney immediately proved to fans and experts that when prepared, he’s a force. Counter right hands, left hooks, combinations were rained on Rahman for three rounds. But an accidental clash of heads forced the fight to be stopped.
Toney’s performance was lauded by the press, yet it was Rahman who benefited as he was awarded a fight with Wladimir Klitschko for the WBO and IBF titles last December and was stopped in seven rounds.
What would Toney have done?
It’s a question that many have asked.
“Why are they afraid?”
Not since the great Sam Langford has a prizefighter risen from a lower weight class to contend regularly with the monster heavyweights.
“I came all the way up from 157,” says Toney. “Why are they afraid?”
Dan Goossen, president of Goossen-Tutor Promotions, said it’s been laborious looking for a leading heavyweight to step forward against Toney.
“The simple fact is they’re scared of James Toney,” said Goossen of other top ranked heavyweights, including David Haye and Nicolai Valuev, who both turned down challenges to fight Toney.
Talks have begun to contract a fight between Arreola and former champion Oleg Maskaev. But with Haye dropping out of the proposed fight with the elder Klitschko, that could leave the door open for Arreola.
Toney says if the Klitschkos don’t want to fight him, then he hopes Arreola takes care of one of them. Afterward, he would love to be Arreola’s first title defense should the Riverside heavyweight emerge victorious.
It could happen.
“I like Chris Arreola but he ain’t ready for James Toney. He may be ready for Klitschko but he’s not ready for James Toney,” said Toney, who previously sparred with Arreola years ago. “He’s a strong fighter, he punches good, a little wide, but it’s the situation.”
Toney says both Klitschkos are accustomed to a slow and conservative style where they can dictate a fight.
“They’re very flawed. They got nothing to offer. If you throw too many punches they get nervous,” said Toney about the two Ukrainian brothers.
Trainer Suluki, who also trains Lamon Brewster and Laila Ali among others, said that Toney is one of the few professional boxers that need little guidance in a fight.
“He’s a real professional,” Suluki says.
Homage
Before Toney became a middleweight world champion, he first needed to prove himself in the rugged and notorious boxing gyms in Michigan. While in his home state the fighter now known as “Lights Out” first met the man who taught him boxing.
“It was my old trainer Bill Miller who taught me the game,” says Toney. “Emanuel Steward has known me since I was in Detroit. I destroyed everybody in his gym. I destroyed all his middleweights.”
Back in those days Miller would sit the rambunctious Toney in a room in front of a screen and show him tapes of all the former boxing greats.
“I’d sit down and watch tapes of Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott and I’d be saying what’s this,” said Toney who was excited watching the old masters. “I picked their styles apart and Bill Miller showed me how to do things.”
Its this boxing style that has allowed Toney to win the middleweight, super middleweight, cruiserweight and heavyweight world titles.
“I forgot more things than most trainers know,” he said.
Unification
Though Toney holds the IBA heavyweight world title, he wants to eventually take all of the heavyweight belts. That’s his goal.
The Ukrainian heavyweights are his number one target.
“He called out everybody than he going to fight David Haye? These guys haven’t done anything. Call out the real fighters. If they really want to prove themselves call out James Toney,” said Toney inside his boxing gym. “If they fight me they’re going to be a statistic. I don’t like them. I don’t like Emanuel. He shouldn’t be allowed back in Detroit. He knows I’m going to kill his boys. I’m a kill all his chicks.”
Title fight anyone?
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deepwater:
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thats my james.you gotta love him. he is right on with the manny steward thing.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 06:46:46 AM
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Oliver Boleslaw:
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I don't think there's any doubt in the world that James "Lights Out" Toney is the best heavyweight in the world today, by miles. He'd easily KO either Klitschko, and that's why they won't fight him. It's clear as day. What he says is REAL. Look what he did to Holyfield. The absence of a Klitschko fight tells the story. These guys would wet themselves if they looked across the ring and saw Mr. Toney standing there. What he should do is go over to Germany FOR FREE and fight either Klitschko. Let them take the ENTIRE PURSE. Just get the fight, because he'll win it with ease, and then he can cash in after he holds the straps. Neither Klitschko escapes 4 rounds with James Toney. It's simply a fact.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 07:00:40 AM
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Peter Egley:
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Toney got the decision, but he seemed a bit surprised about it when his match with slick boxer Fres Oquendo was over. Anyway, he still won the fight and made Rahman stop on a cut, so Toney should get his turn at least it seems.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 08:20:24 AM
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ez da fez:
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this article and this fighter are a complete joke. as i recall toney fought rahman twice and didnt get one victory. as i recall he fought sam peters twice and didn''t win once, getting completely schooled by the rudimentary nigerian slugger the second time. oh wait, what happened when those guys stepped up to the klitschko boys???oh yeah, they got ktfo. the only thing toney is fit to be at this stage is an obscene, overweight gate keeper. let the young upcoming americans, or povetkin, or an equally more bark than bite haye test their mettle against the aging rotund "boxing wizard," to see if they are even fit to share a ring with either wlad or vitali.disrespecting manny steward like that...unbelievable. in fact im going to come out and say that wlad has earned a spot on the top 10 pound for pound list. there are few if any fighters as utterly dominant in their respective division. radam..i can't wait for your boy arreola to get his name added to the 50 somethin kos on wlads resume and oliver boleslaw, and i dont even know where to begin with your ridiculous comment.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 09:36:17 AM
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ultimoshogun:
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"I forgot more things than most trainers know." Classic James Toney. Although I'm a James Toney fan I have to admit I doubt he has any realistic chance at beating either Klitscko. If I never see Toney fight again I'll always remember him for his brutal war with Vasily Jirov....great fight.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 10:11:35 AM
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ali:
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Toney has to come in shape but give him a shot. Rahman got one against the Klits, Haye could have fought one of them, Peter got one so go ahead and and give Toney one.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 10:15:36 AM
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Fistic Fury:
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Are you serious??? Sam Peter comfortably beat him and Fres was robbed against him. He is too small and too old and is nowhere near the fighter he once was. James Toney is a legend no doubt but lets not get this legend killed by encouraging him to fight a Klitschko...
Friday Jul 24, 2009 10:35:32 AM
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Isaiah:
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At this point, who in their right mind thinks the undersized and oversized at the same time, ( how does he do it?) and old James Toney can actually beat Klitschko? Stick a fork in his career, he's done.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 11:02:22 AM
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Tony:
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I'd love to see James Toney in with either Klitschko. You know why? Because they knock him into a state of unconsciousness for a week. I can't stand this vulgar, classless, and steroid cheating fool (twice caught and suspended). His antics are beyong juvenile and he makes Vic Darchinyan and David Haye look like ambassadors of the sport next to him.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 11:03:55 AM
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GOAT:
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There goes Isiah with the negative stuff. Mr. Avila has it wrong, Chris Byrd started out at a lower weight and then won the heavyweight belt and stayed at heavyweight. James Toney is an all time great fighter and he would have a good chance of at least being competitive with one of the Klistscos.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 11:22:20 AM
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Rico Sioting of QC:
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James is a great Champion and can beat the sisters...only if he could shut his mouth up....
Friday Jul 24, 2009 11:49:14 AM
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MB:
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I like what Toney said about somebody knock him out. It hasn't happened so he still gets to talk. Vitali has all the advantages over Toney. He should just fight him.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 12:04:41 PM
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Real Talk back from Elizabeth seaport, New Jersey:
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I say James Tony doesn't have the conditioning or power to win with either Klitschko bro. I don't want to see him fight until he gets that belly under control . Dueces
Friday Jul 24, 2009 12:50:38 PM
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Jameschico L Fields:
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Fres Oquendo is now the present NABF champion and defends that title tonight at the UIC Pavillion in Chicago against former world champ Bruce Seldon who Fres will beat and yes Toney would beat also we are on a rampage also as I will speak with Mike Tyson of coming to Chicago to fight for Fres Title and we will seek a rematch with both Holyfield and Mr Lights out Toney and retire all within a year as we do not like decisions any longer and Fres being the nice guy he is I am sure he will make a donation towards your rocking chairs and invite each of you to bring them ringside as he wins the world's heavyweight championship
Friday Jul 24, 2009 12:55:12 PM
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ali @ Fisitic Fury:
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Styles make fights so don't bring up him losing to Peter we all know that don't mean anything. One thing we do know he won't just stand in front of them with no head movement and not throw punches. If Arreola or Chambers was to fight one of them I would'nt have a problem with it. I just don't want to see guys standing in front of them not doing anything and I know James Toney won't do that. Who do you think should be there next oppenent?
Friday Jul 24, 2009 01:14:49 PM
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Mike M:
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I think they should create a Heavyweight Tourney for the flawed, undisciplined, delusional, excuse making, over the hill, out of shape, underachieving character that are still hanging around this divsion and who somehow continue to get face time with the press to talk about how the Klitschkos are garbage. Right now i have eight guys in no particular order:
Shannon Briggs
John Ruiz
Andrew Golota
Hasim Rahman
James Toney
David Tua
Oleg Maskaev
Lance Whitaker
Can anyone pick a winner? Maybe ESPN classic could pick this up.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 01:36:45 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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I think that Povetkin and Chambers are due a shot. Arreola, Haye and Soliis would be after that should they continue to progress and impress. Also ahead of Toney I would have Valuev, Dimitrenko and Johnson. So that's atleast 8 guys ahead of 'lights out' and there's probably more. Having said that if Toney put together a couple of good wins (not robberies) against any of the above guys i'd happily change my mind but I just can't see him beating the elite no more... For the record, I don't see anybody beating Vitali and the only reason there's even the slightest chance Wlad could lose is due to his suspect chin...
Friday Jul 24, 2009 01:45:36 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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@ Mike m, what about Riddick Bowe??? lol...
Friday Jul 24, 2009 01:47:17 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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Or maybe Ray Mercer makes a triumphant return from MMA...
Friday Jul 24, 2009 01:48:58 PM
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mike m @ Fistic Fury:
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I left out Bowe and Holyfied out of respect as they were great heavyweights. Toney is a great fighter but not as a heavyweight. I hope Bowe and Holyfield hang em up for good.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 01:58:45 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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I'm on board with Real Talk, he needs to fight in shape. His better days are past him and I don't think he stands a chance at the Klitschko Bros. When I watch Toney fight, it's like I get exhausted just by watching him on the stool. Get some pointers from Eddie the four pack Chambers.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 02:05:16 PM
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in touch:
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For all his talent, Toney does not have the work ethic in the gym. There is no reason for a 5'10" fighter to be at the weight he is unless he's lazy and eats too much. he goes to the gym every day? to do what? Sit in the sauna? It's a shame considering his talent. But he comes into fights looking like a tub. It's a shame for the sport, disgusting is the word
Friday Jul 24, 2009 02:14:53 PM
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donputo69 doing 300 situps:
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how about james toney vs butterbean?....i'll pay to watch that fight anytime....the winner would go on the win the BKA title....burger king associate title....lol...holla back!!!
Friday Jul 24, 2009 02:34:06 PM
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Earl on the hopper after gorging on Wendy's:
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I'd like to see Riddick Bowe in Mike's tourney too. The first match would be Bowe-Golota 3. I'd have Holyfield in there, Jameel McCline, Tommy Morrison (Morrison-Mercer 2 as a round 1 match), Oliver McCall, Michael Grant, Joe Mesi, and Orlin Norris. Some scintillating fights could be made here and the tourney winner would be Jameel McCline (he'd upset Andrew Golota for the championship).
Friday Jul 24, 2009 04:24:42 PM
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Boxer:
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Everybody says Toney don't have a chance against the Klitschkos. Then why won't they get an easy win and fight him??? Big reason. They really are afraid of losing to him. A win over Toney would be big for their credibility. But they are AFRAID.
Friday Jul 24, 2009 06:35:48 PM
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the Roast:
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Fistic......Shhh, you're gonna wake Jerry up!
Friday Jul 24, 2009 09:14:24 PM
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ali @ donput69 :
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Knock it off!
Friday Jul 24, 2009 09:19:08 PM
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pete steward:
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J.T is the BEST but he needs to be in SHAPE! GET IN SHAPE TONEY! And show the world what your hardcore fans already know.....Your the BEST!
Friday Jul 24, 2009 11:40:13 PM
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hm:
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that's my man. Lights Out suckas! can this guy talk sh** or what? oh,what the heck; give the guy a shot to back it up.
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 01:46:14 AM
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has been:
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Sam Peter knocked Toney down and won a U.D. against him. Toney doesn,t have the punching power needed to compete with V.K.
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 04:50:30 AM
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Jerry :
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Hey Roast - I'm wide awake, coherent, and will leave you my friend with one thought: RIDDICK BOWE WILL WEAR ALL THE STRAPS IN 2010!
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 08:39:09 AM
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The Bryguy:
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I agree with Mike M! They can call it "They Live". Sort these guys out, then give them title shots.
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 10:40:50 AM
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jack h.:
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Are you kidding me?! The Klitschkos v.s. "I Am 100 LBS.Overweight" Toney! The brothers would DISMANTLE this fat slob inside of 2 rounds! GO back to the middleweights Toney! OH Yeah,you can't because you don't have the discipline to stay under about 230 lbs. This is why you are even in this division in the first place Porky!
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 01:29:58 PM
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donputo69 @ali:
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who da F**K is you to tell me to knock it off?...you better recognize homie...momma aint raise no punk....holla back!!!
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 03:46:15 PM
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Real Talk @ donputo69:
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Call that fight Whale Watchin !!! Dueces
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 06:07:45 PM
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NatedaTPkid:
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Hes the fn man. He needs to get a fight with these other big names heavyweights. I say he runs through them all! Hes back and shape and has been looking much better then the past IMO when he looked washed up and way too fat. Now I think hes focused, in better shape and could run through anybody! Somebody give him the shot, SOMEBODY!
Saturday Jul 25, 2009 08:10:09 PM
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the Roast:
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@ Jerry, you always crack me up! The only straps Bowe will be wearing are the one's holding up his "Manzeer" or was it the "Bro."
Sunday Jul 26, 2009 02:27:44 PM
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PJ:
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James Toney should take steroids right now. He's not active, so there will be no testing. Get back on the cycle and then get off, 2 weeks before he fights Klitschko. He should be able to take one or both out. He has much superior skills. He just needs to get back on the juice in order to increase his punching power and stamina.
Sunday Jul 26, 2009 02:51:36 PM
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Steve hater @ donputo:
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All you say are s ..tupid things man, finally somebody recognizes that you are all B...S...,wont you step on the ring with somebody instead of been behind the computer critizizing boxers that work really hard, so you can have fun watching fights,you are a waste to TSS community,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009 08:50:35 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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After what Vitali did to Sam Peter, Toney's boasts have less weight. However, I think Toney would still give those Russian boys fits. This is a Detroit fighter, which is almost as dangerous as a Philly fighter. Toney is as deadly as a coral snake in the fight game, all slick venom and surprise badness..
Sunday Jul 26, 2009 10:49:11 PM
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Isaiah:
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Toney is garbage and GOAT needs to get off my nuts.
Monday Jul 27, 2009 08:41:43 AM
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Johnny Boy:
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Well the bottom line really is, the only way to make him go away is to fight him and put him to sleep. Just like the man says, if he is too old why dont they knock him out??? I think they are afraid. When Toney is in shape, he will take any of the top heavyweights to school. And I hope to see it happen
Monday Jul 27, 2009 09:45:05 AM
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donputo69 @steve the moron:
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lmfaoooooo....why you mad at me son?....i know why....you just wanna be like me....THE DON OF ALL DONS...DONPUTO69....yo homie....you're not on my level homie....and i wish there was a ring right now so i can bust your____.you can fill in the blank....bklyn homie...stand up....holla back 8!tc#!!!
Monday Jul 27, 2009 11:23:55 AM
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sTEVE THE HATER@DONPUTO:
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You are funny sometimes,but with my skills you wouldnt be able to touch me,holla....
Monday Jul 27, 2009 11:40:21 AM
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donputo69 @steve the loser:
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aight homie....whatever....just set up a day and place...and i will be there....we'll see....who's that wrestler that says....YOU CANT SEE ME.....well...thats whats gonna happen when we do meet up....POW****hold that....holla back!!!
Monday Jul 27, 2009 01:17:36 PM
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Steve the hater@donjoto:
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Lets see you are probably 230 lbs, fat and you do d..r.ugs,i am drug free,lean and the best street fighter,i grew up in the streets of L.A.,i would finish you in seconds my friend.....
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009 01:07:25 AM
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MLEV:
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JT has been training hard, now at 223 pounds. At 5'9" it is hard to make 230 pounds look good (unless your Lorenzo Neal). Despite how anyone feels about JT, he deserves at least an elimination bout (dune in November), and if he wins, a title shot. Even at 41 (8/24) who would want to fight an in-shape, motivated JT? JT ducks no-one. He didnt have to face Peter while waiting for his shot at Maskaev, he welcomed it. He also won the fight IMO. He took Peters best shots (unfortunately) and went down once on Toney Peter II. To suggest a victory over Fres is not meaningful makes no sense. All of Fres' fights are difficult to score. Just my opinions
Saturday Aug 22, 2009 05:32:43 PM
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Fast Eddie Lands In Germany, Says He'll Land The Shots To Upset Wlad
"An upset is possible in this as I could see Chambers boxing his way to a UD or SD, but I expect the much more likely scenario of a TKO in favor of Wlad in the middle to late rounds, in fact, I'd probably go with TKO in the 8th." --TSS reader Isaiah give Chambers a chance to get the upset win (photo by Jan Sanders)
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