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The Boxing World Is Upside Down
By Frank Lotierzo
What the hell is going on? The boxing world seems upside down on so many fronts. Then again, it just might be business as usual. When you look at things from what would seem to be a logical perspective, you realize everybody is Herman and Lilly Munster and you're Marilyn. Some things being said and done regarding professional boxing you can't even make up.
Earlier this month two of the youngest legitimate up and coming heavyweights who will both challenge for an alphabet title belt in the near future faced each other in Germany and nobody saw it in the United States unless they knew where to go to find it on the Internet. That's right, the two biggest networks in America who regularly broadcast boxing, Showtime and HBO, didn't air it for business reasons. In other words neither fighter is under contract with either network.
Incidentally, the Chambers-Dimitrenko bout turned out to be pretty compelling from a technical/strategic vantage point. Guess it sucks to be a boxing fan if you didn't know where to look on the Internet. No doubt it will be announced that the winner of that fight, Eddie Chambers, will be offered a multi-fight contract to become a house fighter most likely for HBO in the near future. In the contract that Chambers will sign there will be two stipulations (because there practically always is): 1) HBO reserves the right to approve or reject any opponent Chambers agrees to fight and 2) HBO reserves the right to void the contract if Chambers loses to an opponent they approve.
Another indication of the upside down boxing world came to light when a judge who is known for submitting scorecards that are out of the main as to how most boxing observers saw the fight, scored it a draw 113-113. The first problem with that is we know that this particular judge will not be admonished for his blunder, although I'm not sure it was a blunder due to poor eyesight. In the weeks since the fight I have yet to speak with anyone who saw it who didn't think it was an overwhelming impressive victory for Chambers over Alexander Dimitrenko. Along with being given a pass the judge in question will most likely work another major fight in the not too distant future.
Moving along we have Floyd Mayweather Jr. taking it to Brian Kenny again, saying he's the biggest star and draw in boxing, not Manny Pacquiao. Again, I understand that Mayweather has to say that and probably has convinced himself that it's true, but the fact that there's a faction out there who actually believe it is absurd and defies reality. What makes it even more of a joke is if Floyd beats Marquez (which he will) and Pacquiao beats Cotto at 143-145 or Mosley at 140 (which he will), has he really conned himself into believing that he'll strengthen his hold on the purse split over Pacquiao, a hold he doesn't even have?
Yeah, that makes sense, Mayweather beating a fighter who is fighting way above his natural weight who Pacquiao has already fought twice at his natural weight and is undefeated against him in their series. Not to mention Pacquiao first fought him five years earlier. In reality the only way Floyd has the advantage over Manny via a purse split between them is if he beats Marquez and Cotto/Mosley beat Pacquiao, then Mayweather would garner the bigger purse split if they fought.
If that's not enough - Wladimir Klitschko the top ranked heavyweight in the world hasn't been close to losing a fight in five years, yet he's terrible in the eyes of most who watch and cover his fights. Instead of giving him his due for beating every opponent who is qualified to fight him, he gets blamed because they look like a deer in the headlights when facing him on fight night. How about the fact that his size and strength coupled with his shut-you-down-first style, makes him real formidable for the elite heavyweights of 2009. In case it's slipped the mind of some, Klitschko has the title and he's supposed to do whatever he can to make it the most difficult he can for his opponent to beat him, not the opposite.
Some fans and writers have been saying since the Lesner-Mir UFC title match how MMA is hurting boxing and its popularity. What? MMA isn't hurting boxing, boxing is hurting boxing. The most anticipated fight in boxing between Pacquiao and Mayweather may not happen this year because Mayweather isn't realistic as to what he should net as a purse split, and Bob Arum wants to try and bury Floyd and act as if he's irrelevant, which he's not. What does MMA have to do with that?
The culprit hurting boxing is its own greed. Those who care about boxing and want to reform it for the better don't have the means or power to do it. And those with the means and power to implement real reform, don't want to. Why would they when they're raking it in from every angle?
Speaking of greed, this coming August 15th Roy Jones is fighting Jeff Lacy at the Mississippi Coast Coliseum in Biloxi. Jones is a shell of the fighter he once was now at age 40, and Lacy hasn't been the same since he was taken apart by Joe Calzaghe almost three and a half years ago. I have no problem with Jones-Lacy, but I do with making it a PPV fight despite the fact that Jones is defending his coveted NABO light heavyweight title.
Two weeks ago one of the classiest and most sophisticated fighters in boxing history, Alexis Arguello, committed suicide. Arguello was a legitimate three time champ and had he chosen to work the broken system that is boxing, he could've taken the easy route and fought one of the alphabet title holders instead of Aaron Pryor to capture his fourth title. When it comes to boxing resumes, take a look at the fighters Alexis Arguello confronted in championship bouts. His level of opposition matches up with the greatest fighters in history and he was without question an all-time boxing great. Arguello was loved and respected by all and now he's gone at age 57.
Last week one of the toughest and most exciting fighters ever, Arturo Gatti, was murdered. His wife is in custody and is believed to be the perpetrator. Gatti never backed up or down from any fighter and never took the easy route in or out of the ring. In his rubber match with tough Micky Ward, Gatti broke his right hand during the fight. When he got back to his corner the thought of losing on a technicality never entered his mind. Instead he said to his trainer, "Just tell me what to do." Yes, Arturo Gatti was a real fighter and now he's gone at age 37.
Yes, the boxing world is upside down!
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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bob:
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Hey Frank. Good article. Not often I agree with everything someone writes, especially when they cover so many topics in one article. Also, it's about time I see boxing writers giving Klitschko his due. The guy is dominant. Period. And I seriously don't think the division is weak right now. It's definitely been weaker in the past - arguably when Tyson was unbeaten, possiblt even during Holms' reign, and I think Holmes was one of the greatest ever. Anyway, my own question for you is did HBO actually televise Vitali vs. Gomez? I thought it was ESPN or something.
Sunday Jul 19, 2009 09:36:49 PM
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Geoff Kanofski:
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I believe that boxing is hurting itself and to do something about it will requires a significant number of people. You need a few rich people. I'll tell you what, "Golden Boy promotions seem to be accupied by people with balls, and maybe even some of the rare commodity called "honour". Talk with them and get an army of truth-lovers and I'll be your foot-soldier. I've promoted 7 mall pro-am shows in Queensland Australia.
Geoff crazy Kanofski
Sunday Jul 19, 2009 10:07:08 PM
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Sapacman:
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Such an excellent article Frank...It shoulld be a wake up call to all boxing fanatics. Sad but true. Boxing is corrupt now a days.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 03:36:31 AM
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giusseppe:
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wow! love your article, dude. i hope boxing benefactors would read this.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 07:50:23 AM
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elijah:
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nice article. this is writing and poetry at its best. no grayline between white and black.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 07:51:34 AM
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Bryan:
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Golden Boy Promotions is destroying boxing. Oscar Dela Hoya and Schaefer are degrading boxing. I don't know whether they are jeaslous to Pacquiao's success or that of Bob Arum's promotion is way better than them. Although I consider both promotional companies as leeches to famed boxers, but when you compare the two, Bob Arum's Top Rank is better because they provide a place for up and coming boxers unlike Dela Hoya's Golden Boy who steals famous boxers from other promotion company so that they can rip money from the boxers. And once they lose they leave them like what happen to Barrera.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 08:35:08 AM
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gerry:
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GBP not their time. Dont try too hard. Your prime commodity DLH who is your prime promoter has lost credibiltiy. As Lincoln said, "you can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all of the people all of the time. Resign Schaefer. your usefulness has expired.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 10:12:27 AM
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Peter Egley:
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Going by the interview you guys did with Lou DiBella, he believes it is an illusion that Manny Pacquiao is a bigger star than Floyd Mayweather. And as an "outside" fan, I still have not seen the Pac-Man do any huge publicity like Mayweather has. In general from doing that TV commercial, Mayweather is indeed more recognizable. And the Pacquiao win over Oscar De La Hoya is still a huge upset over a superstar, again, if you're in the general public like me. And who the hell is Ricky Hatton? I'm admittedly mostly going by what insider DiBella said, but it wasn't like I didn't already know it. Pac-Man will/should become a big star if the Mayweather match happens and he (Pac) blows him out. If that happens. As for Wlad or Vitali Klitschko, they're okay by me, nothing against them. Would I save my pennies and dimes (sorry, Beach Boys reference!) for a big bad Wlad PPV? If a credible opponent emerges I would.
Anyway, interesting to say the least article. Mostly I'm psyched by the return of solid Rolanda Andrews meeting Kaliesha West on the undercard of Showtime's August 1 Timothy Bradley-Nate Campbell title match. Cool.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 10:34:09 AM
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Bronze:
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The PROBLEM with boxing right now is not the fighters but the promoters. Golden Boy is a present day cancer in the sport. Oscar once said that he established his company to protect fighters and serve the fighters best interest. That he would not do what the promoters like Top Rank did to him. (All Top Rank did was to make him a star that he became to be plus millions) Like PBF, dela Hoya thinks he can make more money by setting up his own company and kill Bob Arum's business. Now look at dela Hoya, all his fighters were not Top Rank grown, they were all stolen or pirated from other promotional companies. First he had Barrera and Oscar was salivating on the opportunity in 2003 when the established Top 5 P4P in MAB at 29 faced the unknown killer in Pacman. MAB was annihilated so bad, Oscar cried so loud. The remaining names in GBP's stable are old horses clinging on their last dances and pay cheques. Juan Manuel Marquez is 35, Shane Mosley is what close to 40? Bernard Hopkins is, forget it, he's old. O, they had a young gun, very promising, yes, HAD, not have, in Victor Ortiz, that dela Hoya said is the next biggest bum, o mean, up and coming star like he was (yes he was). You now what happened, right. Just like the GBP owner who quit on his stool against Pacquiao, Ortiz did the same thing, to my amazement, HE QUIT fighting and actually said he does not deserve to be fed to the lions just to make Golden Boy's business stay afloat. Now who else does Golden Boy have, I speculate they are trying to sign Roy Jones too, you never know, they are the company thats composed of OLDIES from yesterday, "once" fighters developed by other firms to be milked by GBP. But this one is a cool move by Oscar, play gold with Miguel Cotto, tempt him to sign with GBP. When Pacman beats Cotto in October or November, and even before that fight, you can sense, Cotto would be signed by GBP as a leftover fighter. Yet GBP. like they did to Barrera, would mile the remaining fighting days of and off Cotto.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 10:36:05 AM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite:
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Wow, Fightwriter F-Lo, nice, but boxing has always been a little like Alice in Wonderland. Like me, you've been around the sports for almost your whole natural life. And you know that the game has always been a lot of wacky from pee wee amateur boxing to open-class amateur boxing to international amateur boxing to professional boxing. Gosh! I've never seen a day in my life that boxing didn't hurt itself, and naysayers have always said that the game would be finished before long. This game will never straighten itself out, and the fan will keep coming to see it. It is like poetry. It allegedly doesn't sell well, but somebody is sure buying it. UFC/MMA reminds me of the Roller Derby. This freaky sports was suppose to take boxing down when I was a small kid. Now the UFC/MMA is going to do it -- YUP, RIGHT! I will be old and gray and the UFC/MMA will fade to BLACK, and I will still be sitting in a ringside seat, knowing that boxing will not be beat. It will keep treating itself crazy and dazy. But fading to BLACK, it too darn lazy. It will always do just enough to bring the fans running with cash, And all these sports that are going to do it away, are just full flash. News of boxing's demise is great exaggerated. Holla!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 12:23:22 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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I got Pacman by late round stoppage 10, 11 or 12 rd.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 12:24:07 PM
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Matt:
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Great article Frank. Like an earlier correspondent says, I can't fault it, but like Radam G implies, Boxing will survive all the negatives - like greed, manipulation etc. - and come out the otherside smelling of roses.
All it ever needs is a champion that everyone can identify with. I'm not talking 'p4p' , I'm talking Ali's and Tysons, the original Sugar Ray.
Someone like that comes along and boxing will always shoulder its way above other sports.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 01:01:35 PM
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Yuvie:
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Man, as long as Pacquiao keeps fighting, I'm not too worried. Whether it's Cotto, Mosley or Mayweather. I really don't care for Mayweather anymore. Pac/Mayweather would be great if it happened but maybe these two guys egos won't allow this fight to happen. If it don't happen, I ain't gonna cry about it. There's plenty of other opponents out there for these two, okay it's not good for boxing's popularity but hey what can you do. I'm more concerned about Pac's retirement though, he'll leave a massive hole in the boxing world. Other than that, as long as we keep getting cards like Bradley/Campbell & Witter/Alexander and the super middleweight tourney, boxing ain't hurt.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 01:35:47 PM
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Frank:
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Cotto will KO Pacquiao, period. This is the first live body that Pacquiao's been in with at 145 (De La Hoya was an empty vessel and Hatton was shot). Cotto is the real deal, with his only loss to a plaster of paris wearing Margarito. Cotto has enough thunder in his fists to knock Pacquiao out for the 3rd time in his career. Cotto is going to KO PacMan, the 3rd time he'll be rendered unconscious in the ring in his career.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 02:10:52 PM
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ali:
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I think Mayweather is more popular then Pac and heres why....Mayweather has been one of the top fighters for alot longer then Pac 2. Mayweather has a very Popular commerical 3. He was on dancing with the stars 4. He did better numbers then Pac against Hatton & Oscar and that says alot. 5.He runs his mouth and that helps even though some boxing fans hate it they still spend there money to watch him fight cause they don't want miss him losing somethen like Ali. 6 He went to the WWE and that tap him into a whole new fan base.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 02:31:37 PM
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donputo69 somewhere in miami getting twisted:
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thats what im talking about....cotto vs pacquiao...wanna guts and blood?....you got it....nov 14....i'll be there....you best believe....i got cotto by tko around the 10th round....i think cotto would be around 157 by fight night...so write it down people....FOY..while scareweather a lil guy in the canvas kisser, cotto and pacquiao would put on a REAL BOXING SHOW.....win or lose, pacquiao and cotto would be great warriors....holla back!!!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 02:56:47 PM
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rrgk:
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My Poor Favourite Sport!
Gatti RIP- we need more like him
Roy PPV- has been -will not be seen
No Class Money May-jailed for tax evasion B4 a Pac fight
Klit. legit but a total bore.
and speaking of fights not seen-In Canada Pascal/Diaconu
A great title fight and I had 2 wait 2 weeks for a our Sports net to show it. Got to see a Crappy Molitor though at 122 thanks TSN!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 03:06:36 PM
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donputo69 somewhere in miami getting twisted:
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@ali....this is the reason why i think scareweather is a B***H....1. his name is scareweather....not mayweather....2. he picks on lil boys....3. people seems to forget that DLH made him rich....so did hatton....4. tell me the last time scareweather made more than 5 millions before he fought DLH?....5. why he doesnt fight cotto, margo,mosley,williams or clottey?....and dont tell me no B.S story about fanbase or money.....6. why did he turn down 8 million to fight margacheato in 2002?....and before that, he was averaging 3 million per fight...7. last but not least.....if i see in face to face i will spit on his face....holla back!!!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 03:07:16 PM
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FOS:
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I got Roach stopping the fight before Pacman gets killed.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 03:08:10 PM
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Salt lover:
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Donputo69, to answer your list of questions: 1) It's Mayweather HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! But it's funny how you say it.................2) Hatton I agree with you, Hatton was not on his highest when he fought at 147lbs. Even Collazo gave Hatton problems. Juan Manuel Marquez called him out loud on TV, just like Hatton did. Nobody has ever done that, so that's how Floyd responded........3) Yeah, De la Hoya and Hatton made him rich, but nobody has made more PPV numbers with those two than him. De la Hoya and Hatton, both got their biggest paydays of their careers with Floyd Mayweather Jr, so it's fair to say he gave them mad money too...........4) Against Baldomir, Floyd earned $8 Millions..............5) I believe he won't fight Cotto/Clottey/Margarito because they're all under ROB Arum. As you should know, Arum and Floyd are worst enemies and they can't do business, while Arum still owes Floyd money from the Gatti fight (And he has admitted that). Nobody wants to make business with enemies. Mosley, I do BELIEVE, Floyd will eventually fight him next year, and Williams well, the guy's in the shadows right now, but it could still happen...............6) Because of what I already told you in #5, and also because that offer came when De la Hoya was about to fight Mayorga, so Floyd was eager to fight De la Hoya instead for more money, and win a Title in another Weightclass making 5 different Weightclasses in his career; besides Mosley also turned down that money, and he had to fight Tony when his career was up against the ropes and had no choice..........and 7) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just can imagine!........ Those are my answers, and I'll wait for your response and read what you have to say, but anyways, I'll be off from TSS for awhile, but I'll be back for the great fights awaiting in 2009. Peace dude!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 04:01:44 PM
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ali @ donput69 :
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Mayweather will for damn sho whoop ya boy Cotto Arum won't dare put him in the ring with the pretty boy unless it his last option. He made 8mil in the Baldmir fight Margocheato would have got a boxing lesson...Clottey don't want it enough to beat Mayweather ....Mosley can't cheat anymore....Williams is a problem but at 147 it would drain him at this point. P.S making 5 mil or more per fight makes you rich in my book
Monday Jul 20, 2009 04:20:47 PM
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Real Talk ABOUT TO HIT UP JERSEY:
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Let's get it on !!!!! I don't know who to pick right now . Dueces
Monday Jul 20, 2009 04:57:45 PM
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in touch:
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donputo, u r so right. 100% right. and anybody who thinks cotto is gonna ko pac, is delusional. it'll b a ko for pac in the middle rounds. mayweather cannot sell out a fight without the likes of odh. pure evidence is the lack of ticket sales vs. jmm. it shows that mayweather has limited appeal.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 05:00:04 PM
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ST:
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Stupid article cotto will destroy manny and marquez will score an upset
Monday Jul 20, 2009 05:34:50 PM
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#1floydfan:
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I predict Pacman will knock Cottos ass out so quick that DonPutos going to come running over to team Money seeking shelter
Monday Jul 20, 2009 05:55:28 PM
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donputo69 zippin some grey goose:
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lmfaoooooooooo....we have a #1floyd biatch in the house.....lmfaoooooo....go $uck a monkey's nipple....i got no time for some fool like your dumb@$$..holla back!!!BIIIIAAAATCH!!!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 06:11:56 PM
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#1floydfan:
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DonPuto more like rolling in the grey goose boy you better make time you still havent told me what them monkey nipples taste like next time i hear from you i wanna see you zippin on some monkey nipple aighhhhhhht
Monday Jul 20, 2009 06:22:17 PM
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Black Tornado:
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Oscar lost his edge in boxing and his credibility with his humiliating defeat from the hands of Manny. With his ego black and blue from Manny's beating and the realization that he just doesn't have it anymore Oscar had resorted to blind-siding unsuspecting bystanders. Oscar and Richard Schaefer should be ashamed of themselves for their poor unsportsmanlike conduct, what a pity.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 07:22:44 PM
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#1floydfan:
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Silent treatmeant doesnt work on me DonPuto I will force you out now wheres that #1pacfan hiding you can blame him for bringing me back down here here comes the circus
Monday Jul 20, 2009 07:28:32 PM
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Giancarlo Malinconico:
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Skybet dot com is the first to list Manny Pacquiao as a 2-1 betting favorite over Miguel Cotto in their November 14 clash in Las Vegas. I will be the first to say, I am not stunned by the odds. Cotto will be the bigger man in this fight, but I think people tend to overstate the weight advantage in boxing in general. In my article, Pacquiao’s “Manila Ice” will Cool Cotto, I point out many reasons for why I believe the Pacman will be victorious on November 14; obviously, the “Manila Ice” will play a major role. But there other factors.
Cotto backers often point out that Mosley and Judah are as fast, or just as fast, as Pacquiao. Therefore, Pacquiao will not overwhelm Cotto with his speed. But this notion is misleading. Mosley and Judah, both, fought Cotto flatfooted. Moreover, Mosley and Judah mostly relied on throwing one punch at a time, particularly Judah.
Pacquiao delivers powerful punches, and his punches come in bunches. Furthermore, not only has the Pacman improved his footwork since moving up to 135 pounds, he has improved his defense. The Pacman uses head movement and footwork to move away from returning shots after he unloads, and I think people will be surprised on the difficulty Cotto will have in landing clean shots on the Pacman.
My prediction: Cotto will not make it to the final bell. I have mentioned the “Manila Ice” will be a huge factor, but watch out for a left uppercut. Cotto likes to keep his guard up as he leans forward, leaving him susceptible to an uppercut. Judah was able to land it on Cotto early in their fight, but he was unable to capitalize. But Manny’s hand and foot speed will give Cotto fits all night long. Do not be surprised to see Miguel back peddling for survival before the Pacman’s relentless assault pins Cotto to the ropes and halts the action. I will be the first to publically go on record and state: do not be shocked if Cotto gets the De La Hoya treatment.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 08:07:38 PM
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#1floydfan:
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Your not the first and you definatly wont be the last I wander what that two face DonPuto has to say about your statement
Monday Jul 20, 2009 08:56:15 PM
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#1floydfan:
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Back pedling for survival lmfao I like the sound of that thats exactly whats going to happen to Dons lil bitch and the only one thats going to put an end to the Pacmans roll is none other then PBF
Monday Jul 20, 2009 09:21:03 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@#1 floydfan, boy you don't want none of me. I'm the kind of guy who will make you run to you mommy. I will make sure you hide back in your closet. This site here for grown folks, you belong in the playground. Get.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 10:06:26 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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@Salt, If I'm not mistaken, didn't Mosley call May out of retirement after he beat Marg?HAHAHAHA that's the damn truth. Mayweather didn't not earn 8 million in the Baldomir fight!!!Dude, that fight was on HBO Championship Boxing and not on PPV! Taking another break, can't stand to watch the Pacman go to work or what? You did the same in the Hatton fight? Before you go I would like to get you prediction on the Pac-Cotto fight. Payce.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 10:13:37 PM
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Salt lover:
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#1Pacfan, no wonder why criticize Floyd without knowing checking the FACTS. Floyd DID earned $8 Millions vs Baldomir, who got $1.6 Million. Go to google and put 'Mayweather beats Baldomir for welterweight title-USATODAY'. It's also in wikipedia. A fight doesn't have to be in PPV for the fighters to get good money. And about Mosley, yeah he called him out NOW when his career is not where it was. Marquez and Hatton called Floyd when they were in their prime, besides I wrote that fight will eventually happen.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 11:06:13 PM
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MisterLee:
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... then two of the "NEXT MEXICAN SUPERSTARS" get exposed by a B class fighter (Maidana) and a C class fighter (Cintron). I dunno if Maidana can stand on his own, he's just a tough guy who hung in there with Ortiz, and outwilled him (he DID get knocked down three times, maidana's heart was never in question). Maidana is the new Prescott. Old news, but yeah, mosley knocks out margarito, margarito loses not just the fight, but EVERYTHING! froch beats taylor in the last 15 secs of a fight while being ahead by 4 rounds! crazy world! :) Great article F-lo writa'! :) pc out!
Monday Jul 20, 2009 11:09:14 PM
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donputo69 with a hangover:
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@#1pacfan....yo...this m0r0n #1floydsb1@tch just wants some attention....you know what i do....just brush my shoulders off and keep it moving....i dont deal with f00l like her....got no time for fake ones....holla back!!!
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009 05:06:10 AM
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brownsugar:
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was this an article or a rant?? can't tell but interesting anyway,.. so many good and entertaining quotes,.. I'm still LMAO,.. personally I can't wait for the start of the SuperSix Middleweights Tourney,. and the SECOND COMING OR MAYWEATHER,.. I missed watching his expertise while he was away and I hope he can still bring it like the old days,... Cotto vs Pac is 50/50 at 145,.. Cotto could either get Blitzed by the Pacman or win off a loaded left hook,.. he should never have been made to lose the 2lbs... it's not necessary,.. I think Pac would be a handful if Cotto weight 150lbs...but this catch weight will put a light blemish on a Pacman win.. Lets see what Vic Ortiz can do with the right trainer and a little head movement,... don't anybody hold their breath for Khan/Maidana or Khan/Bradley...funny,.. the Heavy with the most heart is Chambers,.. he acts like a golf pro or a chess player and beats up on giant heavyweights,.. HOpe Teddy Atlus can give Povetkin the tools he needs to give Klits a decent battle,.. Klits deserves somebody who can give him a fight,.. now that he's cleaned out aLL bums,.. can we now finally see some quality Heavyweight encounters???
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009 05:47:35 AM
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DaveB:
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I know everyone's hyped about the Pac-Cotto fight and so am I, but I want to address the bit about the people fighting Wlad Klitschko. Frank says everyone should respect him for the way he destroys opponents and I agree somewhat but not totally. I still don't think he has fought anyone who has stood up to him. I realize he has good skills and hard punching power. But look at any puncher, let's take Tyson, although it could be anyone. Punchers always make people just want to survive especially when they have a rep. Boxers who fougt him were like the deer in the headlights until he fought Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield. I mention those two because he was near prime or at prime, he may not have been 100% Tyson of old but he went to jail before Holyfield or Lewis got to fight him. But it took a live body to stand up to him to get the win. Until someone does that to Klitschko he remains boring.
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009 06:30:21 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite just wondering:
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Boxing is definitely upside down, as justice is sometimes. My Pinoy a$$ has been thinking. Michael Vick got freed yesterday for killing dogs. James Kirkland is jailed for killing nothing. Let the Mandingo Warrior out of jail. Quit spending tax payers' money on his a$$. Let him back in da squared jungle, so he can take care of himself, and work for a living, instead of taxpayers taking care of him. Dude got confused. What did you expect? A Mandingo warrior in Texas being trained by a darn mermaid with anger-management issues and the last name wolfe. Eight-time world champion Ann Wolfe worked that sucka so hard that he was swimming without water. She had him doing water exercises on land. She was working da Texas Cowboy $hit out of him, so dude flipped out and got the cowboy urge and bought a six-shooter. The cops - probably the Texas Rangers - got him immediately. Of course!!! A darn Mandingo warrior with a six-shooter, instead of swords and spears. He's probably got his act together by now afer cooling in the jail for a few months. Texas, let da darn Mandingo warrior back in the squared jungle. He didn't even sock and pop a female singing star like Chris Brown did. Justice is upside down. Michael Vicked killed and tortured dogs, and he;s free to compete again. Chris Brown beat the heck out of singer Rihanna, bit and slapped her dizzy, and this woman beating is free. But a Mandingo warrior is locked down in a Texas jail for buying a six-shooter. If the late, great Howard Cosell was still around, he'd shame those Texans into letting Jame Kirkland go. Back in da day, Ron Lyle and Bobby Lee Hunter were released from jail from and allowed to fight after killing human beings -- not dogs and buying guns. Sonny Liston was freed after whooping cops' behinds with their own billy clubs. Free da Mandingo warrior. Holla!
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009 07:32:37 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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@Salt, yeah he may have earned 8 million, but from who? His own pocket, that fight may have very well been shown on FNF. How can he showcase a title in Vegas and only draw less that 10k crowd? Where's his big draw power there? Oscar and Hatton carried the load and you know it.
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009 07:41:45 PM
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DaveB:
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Radam, You are one funny dude. Thanks for the laughs, that is definitely hilarious. Cheers brother.
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009 09:02:14 PM
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Rico Sioting of Quezon City:
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The reason why boxing is upside down is 4 2 reasons...The brothers Kliths have been dominatin' the heavyweight division 4 quite some time..They should be eliminated in the standings...RIDDICK BOWE can still be a threat to them...Give EVANDER a chance against Vladimir...Fast Eddie, Povetkin...and let the trainin' be limited to 1 mos. time & winner gets all the PPV sales....that'll make boxing pretty interesting..
Wednesday Jul 22, 2009 04:37:54 PM
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FistsOfFury:
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Boxing has lost its sparkle over the years. Seems like AGES ago I was training in the ring and boxing was real popular, that was even back in 2000.
Now 9 years later, wanting to get back into the gym, it just doesn't seem the same as it used to. Sad really.
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009 10:30:26 AM
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Gary Samson:
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3 things put boxing down
1- golden boy promotions
2- top rank's arum
3- floyd jr's greed for money & fame
Wednesday Aug 5, 2009 06:42:47 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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