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Cus Told Him He'd Train Champions
By Ron Borges
Teddy Atlas didn’t want to say yes. After all he’s seen in boxing, why would he?
He has reached a point in life where he is pound-for-pound the best analyst in boxing broadcasting, a guy who can break down a fight and make the correct call with uncanny accuracy time and again. More important, in a game where dealing from the bottom of the deck is the norm he plays the cards the way they’re dealt and gives you the straight story even if it’s about a crook.
So what did he need to get back into the arena for? Why leave his comfort zone at ringside to go back into a place where anything can happen and most of the time it’s bad?
That’s what he was asking himself after the phone rang at his home on Staten Island and the handlers of undefeated Russian-born heavyweight contender Alexander Povetkin asked him to come to Moscow for 10 days to work with the IBF’s mandatory contender. Just a trial run, they said. Just to take a look and see if he thought he could help a guy who is two fights away from facing Wladimir Klitschko for the heavyweight championship of the world.
That title doesn’t mean as much to the world as it once did but it still means a lot to Atlas because it’s a reminder. A reminder of his true calling and of how it all began up in Catskill, N.Y. when nobody knew who he was and fewer people cared.
A reminder that one guy did know, an old monk of a man named Cus D’Amato, who told Atlas when he was only 19 that “one day you will train heavyweight champions.’’
Not a heavyweight champion. Heavyweight champions. All these years later the 52-year-old Atlas, who trained one in Michael Moorer, could still hear those words if he listened closely enough. The more Povetkin’s people talked the more Atlas heard Cus calling.
“Part of you wants to push it away but it comes up and reminds you – this is what you do,’’ Atlas said. “You’re a teacher. You’re someone who can make people better.
“To be honest, it’s more comfortable doing the other thing. It’s more comfortable sitting at ringside talking. But ultimately I was a teacher, a trainer, first. It’s never completely gone.’’
So he went. He went to Moscow with the intention of saying no but he went all the same, which got him halfway to yes.
Atlas went to the gym and did what he always does, clearing the place of all the hangers on and mindless cell phone users jabbering on the sidelines, bothering him when he was trying to work and not helping his fighter. He hadn’t even signed on yet but almost immediately that is what Povetkin had become. He was his fighter…which, in a nutshell, is why Teddy Atlas is back in the nutty business of boxing.
“He’s a good kid,’’ Atlas said of Povetkin as he scurried around New Jersey this week trying to set up a gym, find housing and a cook and a strength and conditioning coach and everything else Povetkin will need when he arrives in America for the first time to train under a guy who runs a different kind of operation than the former Olympic gold medalist was used to.
“He’s an honest kid,’’ Atlas said. “I like that. He admitted to me he’d become complacent. He’d gotten secure over there and started believing he had something permanent, something he owned, when he’s really just renting.
“He couldn’t push himself because he didn’t even know where to push. He’d become safe in a place where there’s no safety net. It’s hard for a kid to understand but when you feel safe in boxing you’re one fight away from being eliminated because it’s not a safe place. My job is to make sure someone doesn’t show up at midnight and take everything away from him.’’
Povetkin is 17-0 with two good wins over an aging Chris Byrd and reluctant American Eddie Chambers, who lost nearly every round to Povetkin when they met in January 2008. Those were good wins but they don’t mean he’s ready for Klitschko, regardless of what the IBF ratings say.
The unified champion has nearly three times as many knockouts as Povetkin has fights and he is someone who knows who he is and what he is not inside the ring. Alexander Povetkin, in Atlas’ opinion, has no idea, which is where Atlas comes in.
This job is not simply about training a fighter and preparing a battle plan. It’s about teaching someone who he is inside a squared circle surrounded with four strands of rope. Who he is in a place where there is no exit so when his night comes, and it may come by late fall or early winter, he will be in there to do more than be able to tell his grandchildren he once fought for the heavyweight title.
“I worked with him for a week and he lost nine pounds,’’ Atlas said. “He’d never worked like that. We watched tape and I would stop it and show him why he got hit and you could see in his eyes he wanted to know. He wanted to KNOW. I knew right then I was going to train the guy.
“He began to realize to have a chance to compete with a guy like Klitchko he needed to get to another level. He needed to be more than he’s been. He needed to learn more. He needed to have a plan. He needed to be fitter. He needed to be more defined. He needed to have an identity in the ring, not just determination and throwing punches.
“He needs to have a definitive identity because he’s going in against a guy who does have a definitive identity. Klitschko has his weaknesses but he has his talent too. You can’t go in there without a plan.’’
Or without self-knowledge and boxing knowledge, which are two things Wilfried Sauerland and Vlad Hrunov, Povetkin’s co-managers, and his promoter, Sauderland’s son Kalle, all believe Atlas can provide.
Although Atlas has rejected opportunities in recent years to train heavyweight contender Samuel Peter and to at least audition for jobs with other top fighters, this time something made him ignore all the pitfalls and back stabbers that are so much a part of the sport’s underbelly and step forward.
This time he heard D’Amato’s voice as well as Hrunov’s and Sauerland’s and Povetkin’s. In the end, maybe that’s what pushed him outside his own comfort zone and back into the arena fully knowing the critics and the doubters will abound.
“There’s something that made me a trainer first,’’ said Atlas, who once handled fighters like Barry McGuigan, Donny LaLonde, Simon Brown and Chris Reid as well as Moorer and a host of fractured guys he made better than their talents seemed likely to allow before giving it all up for the relative safety of life as a television commentator. “The right situation comes along and you can’t turn your back on it.
“Unless you’re really finished and you’re content that you’ve achieved enough something like this calls you. No one knows what our fates are. You have to pursue things to find out. I’ll be honest with you. You get a little scared because now you’re putting things on the line again and you’re going to have to face days when the fighter doesn’t want to cooperate and you have to make him.
“I’d left that behind. That was someone else’s problem. A part of me didn’t want to leave my comfort zone and deal with the tough days when a fighter is in a place of resistance. Those days are a lot more difficult than anything I face on Friday Night Fights.
“But if you’re still a teacher and you see a kid who needs you, a kid whose eyes light up when you’re showing him something he didn’t know before, you understand you’re supposed to teach this guy. There’s no guarantee but maybe you’re teaching a guy who is going to be world champion. Maybe. No guarantees. Maybe.
“But if you don’t do it you’re guaranteed you’ll never have another heavyweight champion of the world. There’s only so many times people call. The first day working with him was tough on me. I hadn’t been doing that work for a long time. My arms were sore. My hands were sore. My back was aching. I could barely move. But I got into this little European tub, no shower curtain or nothing, and I soaked in the water and I felt as happy as I’d felt in a long time.’’
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Mike:
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I agree that Atlas is knowledgeable and entertaining to watch - especially when he does the instructional stuff. He knows the game. Period. But the best broadcaster? Please. The guy's so opinionated. He's actually ruined some broadcasts with his refusal to embrace the obvious. Case in point, he called the Vitali Klitschko-Gomez fight, and his bias against Klitschko was ugly. A lot of peole turned the sound off cause he wouldn't shut up. Truth! He always talks crap against the Klitschkos in particular. I've seen it a lot. I don't personally care, but you can just tell he doesn't want to say they're good. It's always either the competition stinks, or their opponents are dogging it, etc. etc. Meanwhile they've been consistently destroying everyone they face, while the Teddy Atlases in this country say it's because all the would-be american heavyweights are in the NFL or NBA. Ridiculous. Like how many of the great American heavyweights of the past were ever guys that chose boxing over the NBA? Tyson? Holyfield? Forman? Ali? Total joke. There were big, fast athletes in the NBA and NFL when all those guys were champions. There were also a lot of tall guys that took up boxing. But none of them could fight. The Klitschkos happen to be tall, athletic AND good. Maybe great. Call a spade a spade Teddy! The fun part will be when his new boy Povetkin fights a Klitschko and gets crushed. I can hear the excuses now: "Alex lost cause he's white." "Yeah Teddy, but Wladimir's white too." "I know but Alex is whiter." LOL!
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 12:41:05 AM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite:
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TA is da MAN! Enough said! Holla!
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 07:39:01 AM
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Toledo Bob:
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TA is an ego maniac negative jerk...he'll help Povetkin vs. Klitschko just like he did w/ Michael Grant. Ain't no one beating Klitschko right now particularly someone like Povetkin...Haye, Chambers, or Johnson have a much better chance due to the hand speed and technique, but they won't even come close so long as Wladamir stays on his preparation as he has done for the past several years now.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 07:58:08 AM
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ali:
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I like Atlas he know boxing inside out but having him train you is another thing you have to have so thick skin if not you will most likely end up like Micheal Grant. But if you do you could become a camp like another Micheal in Moore.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 10:47:16 AM
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Jerry:
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Teddy Atlas is the best! I will NEVER forget his instructions to Moorer against Holyfiled, how he was going to have regrets in the morning, and how he nearly fought one of the middle rounds in that bout in place of Moorer. I don;t know if that would have been legal, but Holyfield would have been kayoed! I also laughed when Teddy, in the pre-fight press conference against Foreman, nearly knocked "Big" George out! This guy is the best. Povetkin is the real deal. He beat Chambers, who looked sensational last time out! This guy will KO a Klitschko. I'd like to see Povetkin in with Sam Peter or Riddick Bowe, then on to Klitschko!!!
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:02:29 AM
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Karlos:
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Michael "The Alien" Grant was never the same after Lennox Lewis nearly decapitated him. That was one of the fiercest knockouts in the last 25 years, as LL held his head, pushed down, and landed a vicious uppercut. They should have never put him in with a prime Jameel "Big Time" McCline. That was the mistake. I believe Grant is still active and hey, who knows, maybe he'll pick up a strap. Remember, Atlas was within a smidgen of shooting and killing Mike Tyson in 1984.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:15:03 AM
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Joe:
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I think Teddy is good, very good but Teddy loves Teddy. Povetkin is a good heavyweight and he's very active, let's his hands go.
I hope Teddy doesn't sit on the stool when he comes to the corner.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:18:02 AM
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44 Magnum:
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I always wanted Teddy to train Tommy Morrison. I felt that had Atlas been in Morrison's corner against Michael Bentt and Lennox Lewis, he'd have knocked those two guys out. Morrison was easily the hardest puncher since Ernie Shavers, and just needed to learn more about the sport, to be taught.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:23:50 AM
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pete:
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Atlas is old school. He isn't about frills or thrills--he's about integrity and truth--and that's what wins a fight. He understands the inner aspect of a fighter's mind better than the fighter himself. He's Cus D'Amato refined, and perhaps he even surpasses D'Amato. Go Atlas! He is what boxing needs.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:46:21 AM
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The Bryguy:
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Love Atlas, I think he's gonna do wonders for Povetkin. You could tell Povetkin wasn't fighting to his potential, he needed to step it up and get a real trainer. I'm looking forward to see how it works out.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:56:55 AM
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Fistic Fury:
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Teddy Atlas scares me. I used to look up to him as for some reason he reminded me of my grandfather but then I did my research on him and found out about his crazy past. Safe to say my grandfather didn't try to kill Mike Tyson or Danny Lalonde. Also is it me or is he literally obsessed with small fighters getting inside and tall fighters keeping it at a distance, I know it's important but you don't have to tell me 50 times per broadcast...
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 12:26:51 PM
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Teddy Atlas "Shrugged":
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Atlas rubs me the wrong way. He reminds me of Lenny Dykstra.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 01:36:22 PM
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gummo:
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teddy's a loose cannon who will in time lose it (again).
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 03:17:01 PM
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dr3r42:
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Atlas will attempt to teach Povetkin how to come in low and get inside on Klitchko and let his hands go; along with how to get out of Klitchko's clinch when Wlad tries to tie him up. Obviously, Povetkin doesn't poses Tyson or other swarmer's skills at getting inside, but at least he's going to try and change Povetkin. Beats the alternative, which is Povetkin stuck on the outside and getting his face jabbed off like most of Wlad's opponents
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 05:54:30 PM
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MisterLee:
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Teddy atlas is the man! I like his straightforward style and honest appraoch. @ Fistic, did you forget Tyson tried to molest his little sister? (who was about 11 at the time? Or he didn't try to kill Tyson, he shot a gun in the air, is that attempted murder?) I like him tho. Atlas ftw! yep.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 06:20:06 PM
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brownsugar@Mike:
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Mike,.....I hear you,.. but I think Teddy is right,.. all the big americans do run to baseball,.. basketball,.. football,.. professional wrestling or Hollywood,... why box when you can get a fully funished apartment,.. a new car,.. and a fully paid health insurance plan just for playing sports in College???,.. I know this to be true,... because when I worked for RENT TO OWN,..we delivered half our stock of Big Sceens, Fancy Funiture,and Stereo Equipment to apartments,.. that were provided to lower and middle class athletes playing football for a major big ten college in my home town,.. Boxing is a sport of the have-nots,.. and Basketball Players,.. that turn to pro boxing after then enter their twenties or early thirties aren't Boxers,.. they're just Toughmen,... But I'm glad Ron wrote this article,.. did anybody see Teddy and Povetkin working out,... he had Povetkin bobbing and weaving just like Tyson,.. not that Teddy will create a Tyson out of Povetkin,.. but I believe he'll open up some far better options to get inside against Klits than any of his previous opponents who just sat on the outside trembling in abject fear like a deer caught between the headlights of a Monster 4x4,.. I admit Teddy doesn't seem to give Wlad a whole lot of credit,.. but I think he just hates the way his opponents just fall apart in the ring without as much as taking any chances to get within punching range... One thing I know for sure (,.. dr3r42 already said this) he won't let Povetkin lose for not trying,... the way that Chagaev did,... I think he will instill Povetkin with enough options to make for an interesting fight,...
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 07:00:14 PM
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Joey:
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Atlas is self promoter, If he loved D'Amato so much, why did he say Cus was homosexual in Playboy magazne last year?
Atlas worked briefly with D'amato, less than two years. He spent little time with Tyson, and when Cus let him go work Tyson's corne rin amateur fight that would be filmed by documentary crew, Atlas made it all about himself (AS he always does) by telling the 15 year old TYson everyone wa sagains thim back in camp. It's film shown on internet sometimes were Tyson crys before fight.
Atlas has had no sucess as trainer. Mooer was made by Manny Steward, Atlas just inherited him.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:45:26 PM
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Mike M:
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Admire Teddy Atlas alot. He has moral compass that is pretty rigid for some but he is a straight shooter. His life story is a great read and recommend even to those who don't like him as it may sway your opinion. Bottom line Teddy Atlas is good for boxing. I like Povetkin's work rate and feel that is the key which separates him from the other heavyweights. He fights 3 minutes of each round. Even with the flu he just came coming forward and moving his hands against Chambers and took that fight from him. His work rate reminds me of Joe Frazier and his build reminds me of Quarry. I am glad he is getting a tune up fight first with Teddy and then going for Klitschko afterward. I feel Povetkin is a throwback and Teddy would not have taken him on otherwise. If i was to rate the top 5 heavys i would put Povetkin 3rd behind the Klitscko brothers with Chambers at 4 and Chagaev at 5. I think the wild card is Kevin Johnson as he has impressive skills. I cannot see Arreola as a serious contender until he fights better opposition. He was life and death for two rounds with Travis Walker and Walker just got knocked out last night in the 1st round by a journeyman. Now they want to take on china chinned Maskaev after taking on another out of shape McCline who mailed his performance in. If Arreola is so good put him with a Kevin Johnson, Chambers, Chagaev, Tony Thompson, or Bokstov.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 01:20:46 AM
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Smoke:
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After reading above posts I became curious and researched Teddy. The following is an excerpt from Wikipedia: "Teddy Atlas trained as an amateur boxer briefly with Hall of Fame trainer Cus D'Amato, but he was forced to retire after suffering a back injury. Atlas was an assistant to D'Amato, and he occaionally helped D'amato in the training of D'Amato's protege Mike Tyson. However, Atlas felt D'Amato ought to discipline the young Tyson for his frequent bouts of petty thuggery and clashes with police. He finally took matters into his his own hands after Tyson had kissed Atlas's 13 year old niece. Atlas confronted Tyson and put a gun to the 15 year-old's head, firing off a bullet. Atlas was 26 at the time, and D'Amato threw him out of his upstate camp." Interesting stuff. Sounds like Teddy doesn't f**k around.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 04:20:05 AM
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Atlas admitted that he was very close -very close- to killing a pre-prime Tyson. We almost never had a Tyson. He said something like Tyson's odds of dying that night were 95%, so the fact that he survived was almost a Douglas-esque upset. He shot the gun in the air and then threw Tyson around like a ragdoll, kicked his @ss.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 04:22:27 AM
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Anonymous user:
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"did anybody see Teddy and Povetkin working out,... he had Povetkin bobbing and weaving just like Tyson"
Wow is this true? link please.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 09:07:31 AM
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MisterLee:
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Pple be sipping on the haterade!
Friday Jul 17, 2009 10:07:44 AM
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gummo:
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it's easy to control someone when you have a gun in their mouth. without the gun atlas could no more handle tyson than i could.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 12:03:22 PM
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mike:
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Can't believe there's this many opinions about Teddy Atlas. He's a knowledgeable commentator. But overly opinionated. And his record as a trainer isn't that impressive. This is not a Cus D'Amato, Angelo Dundee, Manny Steward type guy that has helped transform boxers to greatness. What people think he's gonna do with Povetkin seems already way overblown. If you look back at the dominant heavyweights at any given era, there were usually dominant fighters that were just way better than the rest - no trainer was gonna change that: Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Dempsey, Marciano, Ali, Holmes, Lennox, and now the Klitschkos. Manny Steward couldn't transform Povetkoin into something that could beat the Klitschkos. So don't expect Atlas to. He's not a wizard. And to the guy who said Teddy "threw Tyson around and kicked his ass", that's comedy man. I can believe the gun part. But Atlas kicking Tyson's ass??? Instead of a trainer... he coulda been a contendah!
Friday Jul 17, 2009 12:40:35 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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Hardly crime of the century is it, a 15 year old kissing a 13 year old. Also it doesn't make you a tough guy to be beating a 15 year old at 27 years old...
Friday Jul 17, 2009 02:07:02 PM
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brownsugar:
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Smoke,.. Teddy walks it like he talks it,.. having 2 grown daughters myself I can emphathize with what he was feeling,.. unless your daughter is a gutter tramp by the age of 11 you wouldn't let anybody get to her before she reaches her true womanhood,.. and anybody here who is a father know's that there's nothing more dangerous than Daddy looking after his girls,.. (if he's any kind of man that is)... I jumped on a guy who was disrespecting my daughter in her house,.. the guy saw I had some good hands and he tried to make it a ground an pound fight by grabbing me,.. but he didn't know I was a former wrestling champ in high school,(his mistake).. I had 4 grandkids at the time and was 25years older,... but the love of father will turn any man into KING KONG,...and similarly,..I don't think Ted'll let Povetkin F**K around with KLits,.. this is going to be an interesting fight...
Friday Jul 17, 2009 03:47:02 PM
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MisterLee:
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Tyson was a sexual predator, before then and much later on too (just ask Robin Givens!). Please don't make tyson out to be some good kid and a victim, he got what he deserved!
Friday Jul 17, 2009 06:46:13 PM
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Mike M:
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Agree with Brownsugar and Mister Lee. There is alot more to that story than Tyson trying to sneak an innocent kiss on a younger girl. Tyson was a predator then and before he got into the Amato camp had been helping old ladies into elevators and then knocking them out and robbing them. Atlas knew Tyson was bad news then and nothing but a bully. Amato sided with his future cash cow Tyson and Atlas hide to leave camp after that. Atlas had the principles and character then and still has them now. You can't say the same for Tyson. I think Cus was willing to sell his soul for a future Hwy champ and nothing was going to come b/w him and his quest for Tyson.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 07:01:32 PM
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Arthur:
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Yes, Teddy Atlas approached Tyson at night, grabbed him by the neck, threw him to the ground, and stuffed a pistol into his mouth. He decided not to murder Tyson, and instead just fired a round next to his head and then punched him in the face 4 or 5 times, leaving Tyson semi-conscious. Boxing history surely would have been altered had Teddy chosen to kill Tyson. Instead, he just beat the crap out of him and scared him.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 12:20:49 PM
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Louis:
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Did Atlas really beat the spit out of Tyson? That seems like a stretch of the imagination.
Monday Jul 20, 2009 01:27:25 PM
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Is It Only Money That Matters?
"Who refuses to take a drug test worth $40 million?" For the American psyche, money is everything. It transcends what is right or what is wrong. For a certain amount of money, I'll do anything. Manny is Filipino, and he cannot fathom that kind of thinking. Is that what capitalism should be? I can't understand why $40 million should dictate your personality. Simply put, Pacquiao has his own dignity and refuses to be manipulated into taking $40M and giving his (butt) to anyone who wants it." ---TSS reader "Tony" informs readers of a possible cultural difference which causes certain peoples to interpret Pacquiao's refusal to cater to Mayweather's testing demands (photo by Chris Cozzone)
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