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Tuesday Jul 14, 2009

F-Lo, as usual, makes a strong case for his thesis. What say you, TSS Universe? Think judges should be freer with the even round?

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How To Better Boxing: A Few Even Rounds Are Acceptable

By Frank Lotierzo

Boxing judges must be allowed to score even rounds. The outcome of close fights because of the scoring and the decision reached by the three judges is always controversial. Scoring even rounds would help rid the possibility of one fighter getting the edge in all the questionable rounds. I'm tired of seeing a fighter have his hand raised via decision because he threw a couple jabs that missed at the close of a couple rounds during the bout and swayed the judges, thus earning him the nod.
 
Even rounds have been a part of boxing since the adoption of the Marquis of Queenesberry rules and scoring them makes all the sense in the world. Today boxing judges are forced to pick a winner in every round regardless of how close it is. I think this is utterly ridiculous. Sometimes there are rounds in which neither fighter did enough to merit it. Often this is the case during the first or second round of a big fight when both fighters are tentative and trying to get a read on their opponent. 
 
When two world-class championship caliber fighters are facing each other and are in top shape, it is almost impossible not to have one or two rounds in which neither fighter clearly had the advantage over the other. Why must judges be forced to pick a winner? All this does is tilt the fight in favor of one of the fighters who really might not have deserved the benefit of the doubt.
 
If judges scored even rounds, it would make the rounds that were clear stand out more. When a judge awards a round to a fighter that he had to split hairs over, he's committing a grave injustice to the loser. How do we know that he's not shading it towards the fighter he likes better? That's how you get lopsided decisions. If a judge gives all the questionable rounds to the same fighter, then it's easy to see how these decisions turn into such a farce. Scoring a few rounds even is not the crime some try to make it out to be and prevents one fighter from gaining an undeserved advantage over the other.
 
Some worry that if judges are given the latitude to score even rounds they'll abuse it and become lazy and won't make a decision. Which is of course a possibility. The fight often exhibited as the reason why even rounds must not be a part of the scoring system is the first bout between Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard. In that fight one of the judges scored it 3-2-10 in rounds for Duran. However, that's an extreme case and if I were the boxing czar, he would've proven to me that if he could only award Duran three or Leonard just two of the 15 rounds they fought, he's probably in the wrong line of work. 
 
The answer to judges who abuse scoring even rounds is simple, let it be known they're being monitored and won't work if they're too liberal in scoring them. Again, most of the time there's a good case for one fighter earning the round over the other. The even round is only for when you literally have to split hairs deciding who won it. Judges should know how to score fights, and, if they do, there's seldom going to be a problem with too many even rounds.
 
When I score fights I score even rounds and usually have one or two of them in my final score. I don't want to hear the crap that I have to make a decision, or I must revert to ring-generalship, or defense. The fact is, if there is no clean punching or effective aggression being exhibited, then it's splitting hairs deciding who gets the round. I don't think fights should be awarded for split hairs.
 
I have a rule that I force myself to follow when scoring a fight. If I haven't decided who should be awarded the round by the start of the next round, I score it even. I think even rounds are self-evident. I look at it this way, if I'm not decisive on whose round it is after watching it for three minutes and thinking it over during the minute in-between rounds, then to me scoring it even is a fair call.
 
With all that being said, not being allowed to score even rounds is just part of the problem in scoring fights. However, I believe that even rounds exist and are a legitimate part of the boxing scoring system. Giving the judges another tool to render a fair and just decision can only help boxing. If by chance you don't like the concept of judges being allowed to score a few rounds even, don't worry because it'll never happen, simply because it makes sense.
 
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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Master Snake:  High time to bring good sense into the scoring of fights. If I punch you good 30 times and you punch me good 30 times, I'd say we're even. Regardless of who initiated the exchange or who looked prettier doing it. That is just strategy and style. One way or the other doesn't always win. Compubox numbers should hold a little more merit. But does anyone know how they hell they record punches thrown and landed in a sport with speed and constantly changing positions of the body and hands? Computer tracking? What?
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 01:36:06 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite chillin':  Nice, Fightwriter F-Lo. You have a great point. Enough said. Holla!
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 04:03:18 PM
Fistic Fury:  Lotierzo is bang on here, I must admit I hardly ever score a round even because I know judges won't so I mimic them in the hope to have a perspective of who's won the fight... Good shout F-LO...
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 04:37:55 PM
dr3r42:  Compubox is a joke. All you have is two guys, one watches one fighter, the other guy watches the other. They have 4 keys on a pad: jab hit, jab miss, power punch connect, pwr. punch miss. They basically guess if the punches land or not. There's nothing computerized or magical about it. It's not like they have sensors or computer chips in the fighter's jaws to tell them if a punch landed.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:59:58 PM
Peter Egley:  This is an interesting article/subject that I intend to spend more time with. Very interesting. As a disabled individual who's on the net more than a lot, it can also be a good way to learn, or at least to keep up with what interests you. Ann-Marie Saccurato put out a challenge to the WBA lightweight champ that recently convincingly cemented her status as thus by (yeah, I'm humored by this, too, my writing I mean, lol) by boxing Fujin Raika to a unanimous win (hey, there IS a connection to this article) July 3. Anyway, WBC world champ Saccurato has yet it seems to get a call back regarding a unification match. I still respect the long time major belts as well as linear titlists when they exist. This to me is the most interesting women's boxing match out there. I understand Holly Holm is good but she's kind of like a present day Michael Nunn, perhaps too far ahead of the pack at the moment. Ann-Marie had her shot at Holm, so I respect Holly a lot. TSS is kind of a front page, the newstand boxing mags are disappearing and as far as information it's hard to beat, although I still love picking up an actual magazine to flip thru. And wasn't Teddy Atlas recently showing us the TV audience some scoring gizmo that was quite interesting and amusing? Teddy seemed to bristle when Max Kellerman was on the show, but he is much more relaxed appearing. Well this has rambled on perhaps too much but I've tried to keep it positive and a little bit linear. I'll close by saying that if Saccurato gets the Vegas kid in the ring, it's all but guaranteed to be a good match. But then I thought that about Laura Serrano vs. Jeannine Garside, and that turned into Foreman-Frazier I for the Aaron Pryor styled Serrano. Even rounds? Only when used judiciously.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 08:02:32 PM
MisterLee:  Maybe if that were case cotto wouldn't have won razor thin rounds and a decision, like one judge giving him rounds 9-12! Also, clean effective hits vs. mitt work.... ugly pressure fighters losing to flashier, more athletic shoe shiners piss me off, and even rounds could have given pressure fighters a little more of a chance (wright vs. taylor, berto vs. collazo, clottey vs. judah BEFORE judah received the cut, johnson vs. dawson, some of the cotto clottey rounds, penalosa vs. ponce de leon). I hate fighters getting rounds based on mittwork, and some rounds i would score even, like cotto clottey round 11 (cotto seemed to throw more punches throughout the round, whereas clottey landed better and threw more punches in bunches in at time, cotto's 19 of 54 vs. clottey's 19 of 47). Anyway, intelligent article! I like how F-lo writa's becoming a boxing scholar, but one that really pushes the envelop on forward thinking, liberal thought, innovating new ideas, challenging the status quo, bringing dark subjects to light, bring a beacon of boxing scholarship to light, like your noam chomsky of boxing, or gallileo of pugilism! Keep it up! You, gregory toledo, ron borges really whooping some a$$!!! :) HOlla! :) tss rules. EM editor of the year! :)
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 10:36:05 PM
Byrd and Melanie Billings, RIP:  If the round is even, it should be scored even. Period. 10-10 rounds should NOT be avoided if it's warranted. One shouldn't win the round because he lands one more jab than the other. Of course, there are intangibles, such as forcing the action and being the aggressor, but all things being equal, if it is equal, go 10-10.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 06:05:14 AM
Master Snake:  Thanks for the info, dr3r42. That means Compubox is as flawed as some of the judging often seen in fights. There will always be some controversy in sports. In one way or another; illegal substances, illegal hits, poor judging, etc. It is just another aspect of the human drama. Nothing is perfect... except maybe a beautiful hook or body shot that drops your opponent for the count!
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 07:40:21 AM
Pretty Toney:  There's one major reason, not mentioned here, why even rounds are discouraged: It motivates fighters. If fighters know that close rounds will end up being scored even, then they will be more likely to settle into what Teddy Atlas calls "the silent contract". Let's say your fighting in the 8th round of a 12-rounder, and you think you're winning the fight by a round or two. It's the last 30 seconds of the round, and the round's been very even so far. If you know that you'll walk away with an even round by fighting conservatively and not opening up, then that's exactly what you'll do to preserve your slim lead. However, if you know that the judges are going to give this round to either you or your opponent, then it becomes much more important to fight hard in those last 30 seconds so that you don't lose the round. It's similar to the old NHL overtime format, where you got 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw, and 0 for a loss. What happened was both teams silently agreed to play a very safe, boring overtime period so that they both came away with at least one point. The NHL changed the OT rules so that both teams were guaranteed that one point, win or lose, and the extra point for the win remained up for grabs. Essentially, it comes down to this: sports always work better when you take away the possibility to tie.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 09:45:09 AM
Andy:  Regarding what Toney said... On the other side of the coin - we see fighters taking few chances over the first two minutes of a round, and then trying to flurry late to leave a favorable impression in the eyes of the judges who are forced to pick a winner. It essentially makes the very end of the round more important than the rest, since that's the last thing judges remember. Plus, even with the current system that might motivate fighters to turn it on late in a round, we still get too many rounds that fit into the "splitting hairs" category that Frank mentioned. These rounds become almost like coin flips where the winner gets the 10, because the judge prefers his style, rather than for anything tangible he did during the 3 minutes. Along with the occasional even round, what I think we need to see are more 10-8 scores for clear cut rounds (not just for knockdown rounds, or rounds where a fighter is battered all over the ring), and maybe 1/2 point rounds for really close ones. At least that way we are giving more credit to the fighter that's definitively winning his rounds, rather than the same credit for a clear cut round and one where it ends up coming down to a judge's idea of ring generalship.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 12:33:55 PM
Saul:  Nice piece, I agree with this totally.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 03:56:07 PM
dr3r42:  Andy: I remember Frank Lotierzo writing a similar piece years ago when he advacated for a 10-8 round when there was a clear winner of the round. I think his system was : even round 0-0; slight winner 1-0, clear winner 2-0, decisive winner or clear winner with a knockdown 3-0, ect. I thought California had that system during the 1960's; I remember Cosell complaining about it, because a guy could win more rounds and still lose the fight. That was because fans were entrenched in the rounds system back then. Now people have converted to the 10 point must system, which is becoming a farce as well, since flash knockdowns are scored 10-8, and decisive rounds without knockdowns are scored 10-9
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 06:06:11 PM

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