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The World According to Mayweather & A Little Marquez Too
By David A. Avila
Once upon a time Floyd Mayweather Jr. ruled the professional world of prizefighting at the top of the rung. But he retired.
The Las Vegas-based fighter, who temporarily departed 20 months ago as the recognized best fighter in the world Pound for Pound, is back again and this time he faces Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez who most experts consider the second best fighter Pound for Pound, behind current leader Manny Pacquiao.
A rib injury suffered while preparing for a July 18 date scuttled the fight temporarily, but Mayweather and Marquez both say they’re ready to clash on Sept. 19, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. The fight will be shown on HBO pay-per-view.
Lots of questions remain for Mayweather in particular, can he return to form after the lengthy absence? Will he be fighting at 143 as first suggested or 147? Should he be considered the best despite his absence? Can he sell more pay-per-views or tickets for that matter than the former king Oscar De La Hoya? Is he truly the best though he hasn’t fought Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Paul Williams or Miguel Cotto?
Another set of questions exists too. Is he really near bankrupt as has been published by various media organizations? Was he really hurt by a sparring partner?
First off, Mayweather seems earnest in his willingness to get back in the ring against smaller but formidable Marquez.
“With the layoff that was a good thing. When I was training a little while back I was pushing myself to the limit,” said Mayweather. “I’m anticipating getting back in the ring. It’s making me work so hard. I’m waking up at 4 in the morning.”
With about a month to go in the first scheduled encounter Mayweather postponed the fight due to a rib injury. According to various sources in the gym at the time it was junior middleweight Juan Pablo Montes De Oca who zapped him with a body shot and injured the undefeated fighter.
Mayweather is not telling.
“I got hurt in training and I’ll leave it at that. I don’t have to go in depth in what happened to me,” Mayweather said.
Mayweather said that Marquez is a good fighter and does not want to slip like De La Hoya against Manny Pacquiao last December.
“When De La Hoya was in training preparing for a fight he was focused more on losing weight than focusing on fighting,” said Mayweather about the loss by De La Hoya to the much smaller Pacquiao. “He was only training when (HBO) 24/7 come around. You got to take this sport seriously. Sometimes chasing money can mess your whole career up.”
Mayweather is adamant that underestimating Marquez will not occur.
“Marquez is a Mexican warrior, he represents himself and the heritage extremely well. What I got to do is be me and box smart,” Mayweather says.
From Mexico City, Marquez spoke to the media, displayed a calm demeanor and seemed not upset at the postponement. Serenity at being near the biggest fight of his career seems paramount to quibbling over a change of dates.
“I was peaceful. I knew that it was just a misstep. I was ready but I remained calm. Whatever happens I know this sport, you know that injuries are a big part of any sport. I just had to stay calm and now I’m getting ready again,” said Marquez.
A time existed when Marquez was one of the most avoided featherweights in the world. It took more than a decade to finally get Marco Antonio Barrera in the ring. He never did lure Erik Morales. Now he’s moving up to the welterweight level after skipping entirely the junior welterweight division. It’s a big, big risk.
“I believe this is the hardest fight of my life. I have to box intelligently,” Marquez said during the telephone conference call on Tuesday. “I’m putting all the ingredients together in my game plan so I can beat Mayweather.”
Mayweather never claimed an easy win but truly believes he is unbeatable despite not fighting for such a long period. He showed a tint of anger with Shane Mosley and Pacquiao who are considered rivals for the Las Vegas fighter.
“I feel Manny Pacquiao is a good fighter. When he goes out there he does his job,” Mayweather said. “Manny Pacquiao got beat by Erik Morales and I stayed on the top of the game and I never got beat.”
He also suggested that Pacquiao should not have turned down a contract to fight, that if you look at the financial figures it points that a Mayweather fight in the last three fights made more than Pacquiao in his last three fights. Even when they fought the same opponents in De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.
The point was backed up by Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer who is co-promoting the fight.
“Floyd Mayweather in his last two fights generated more than the last five Pacquiao fights combined. That’s a fact,” said Schaefer.
Regarding Mosley, he accused the Pomona-based fighter of cheating and suggested he is still cheating and “still taking steroids.”
“These fighters know they can get a pay day with me,” he said.
Marquez seems content to take a back seat to Mayweather’s high jinks and feels fortunate to be in a position to finally make a fortune while simultaneously making a claim as the best fighter in the world today should he win.
“I’m getting ready for the best Mayweather ever. I not thinking about his retirement,” said Marquez when it was suggested that Mayweather may not be at his best. “I’m thinking of beating the best fighter in the world.”
Mayweather said an upset will not happen.
“All jokes aside. I can’t overlook this guy,” said Mayweather. “Guys like Marquez deserve a shot so he can make some money.”
Deaths of Arturo Gatti and Alexis Arguello
“Alexis Arguello was sheesh, one of the best junior lightweights to ever put on a pair of gloves,” said Mayweather. “Gatti never turned his back on no opponent. He would get knocked down four, five times and come back with one shot. He was a throwback fighter.”
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henry:
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Just take a look at the picture of the three musketeers. It's all they can do with manny. TRASH TALK. they are losers to manny.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 06:43:30 PM
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Headbutt:
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Whatever floyd tells, he cannot deny the fact he needs the name of Manny Pacquiao just to generate crowd and hide his insecurity, the more he talks the more he likely to fall down in the hands of Manny Pacquiao. I would say he wont just be beaten badly but he will be beaten convincingly to shut his mouth out, even though I do believe the proud will still remain be proud despite of beatings. Time will come he will get what he wants in money terms, in pay per view sharing, in all his pre-promotional propaganda and lastly his mouth to be sealed badly by the person he always humiliated. GOD Works in Different ways!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:02:32 PM
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Straight Hit:
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Announcing.... Again... the fight candidate for the most boring match of the year. Two counter punchers Mayweather vs. Marquez.. What do you think what will happen when you match a RUNNER PUNCHER MAYWEATHER VS. a COUNTER PUNCHER MARQUEZ?! Guaranteed... you can sleep while watching for this fight and you'll regret paying for it. It's a good thing there's youtube
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:03:14 PM
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Boymag:
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Sooner or later we will see whose the best or pound for pound king of the world, where their roads collides in the future... Mayweather vs. Pacman
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:08:55 PM
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donputo69 watching the MLB allstar game:
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bottom of the 2nd american league 2 national league 0...holla back!!!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:16:15 PM
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MisterLee:
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Wow! Mayweather showing some class! What next? Jimmy Hoffa is discovered?!! Ali admits that Radam is the greatest? :)!!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:22:02 PM
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PunchNuT:
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Mayweather and Marquez are just dreamers.Both are out of touch in real terms of " REALITY" .
Anyway, both will come to their senses when Manny PACMAN face them and shower them with multi barrages of powerful punches.
Both of them will surely eat so much leather that in the end of the fight both will eventually drop to their good fat bottoms.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:25:39 PM
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Uruk-Hai:
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Avila... looking at you, you're probably mid 50's at least. So by that age you MUST possess wisdom and COMMON SENSE which a 50 year old man SHOULD POSSESS. With that said, how can you become the best if you had not fought the best. Take a look at Floyd's resume. There's a lot of Gatti's and Judah's in there. Why did he retire at the time when the welterweight division is stacked with guys like Quintana, Williams, Cotto, Mosley, Berto, etc. You dont even need to publish this dude. Just read it for good measure. And it's answerable by common sense.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:50:22 PM
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rasheed514:
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WOW! what a mouth!!! Unbelievable ... This Mayweather talk a lot ... it should be the other way around, FIGHT IN THE RING JUST LIKE HOW FAST YOUR MOUTH IS... THE TRUTH IS, YOU DOCK A LOT... we hope were not watching a WAITIIIIIIING GAME, with Marquez LOVE TO WAIT... YOUR FIGHT SHOULD BE "THE FIGHT OF THE DOCKERS AND THE WAITERS".... 50/50? NO WAY... IT SHOULD BE 70/30 FOR MANNY...
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 07:59:12 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7':
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First of all the Mayweather camp stated that an Irish Jr. Lightweight prospect gave Floyd the rib injury, now it's a Jr. Middleweight? Can't keep their story straight. It don't matter because all of it is B.S. to me, they know damn well it's because tickets aren't selling so they going to push it through Mexican Independence Day to give it time. Regarding PPV sales...We've had an economic slump for 2 years and counting so of course numbers from couple years ago will look more impressive. Facts are facts and the economy is headed downhill that's your answer. "Sometimes chasing money can mess up your whole career." You fall in that category Floyd and that's why you have so many critics. Now you notice that Floyd has never mentioned that Marquez is not a tough opponent because he knows he can stomp on this little man in Marquez. This fight is going to be at 144 catchweight, but where's F-Lo with his criticism of Floyd bringing a Lighweight to Welterweight? Where's the criticism on Marquez for bringing a Welterweight down 3 pounds from the limit? Double standards...credit to GOAT.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 08:16:49 PM
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#1floydfan was mrx says:
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representing
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 08:21:55 PM
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Morales:
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Dela Hoya was just to plain slow & old for Pac. Great fighters like Sugar Ray , Hearns, Roy Jones Jr lost more weight then him never complained and won their fight. If you want an example Sugar Ray leonard fights Ayub Kalul 36-0 both weighing in at 153 for the World lightmiddleweight title TKO's him in the 9th round. 3 months later fights Hearns 32-0 for the World Welterweight Title. Sugar Ray weighs 146 & Hearns weighs 145. Losses 7lbs and still wins TKO in the 14th round.
Cotto is asked to loss 4lbs to 143lb from 147lbs in the Welterweight Division which is 141lb to 147lb. He is not being asked to fight one division lower in the Junior Welterweight Division. PAC's request is not extreme. Roy Jones Jr lost 18lbs to fight Antonio Tarver & WON. Margarito lost 10lbs to fight Sergio Gabriel Martinez & WON. Hit Man Hearns lost 14lbs to fight Middleweight champion title & KO's Domingo Roland in the 4th round. Dela Hoya lost because he was simple to slow & old. Great fighters will take the challenge loss weight and WIN and when they loss dont make EXCUSES.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 08:29:00 PM
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cezpel:
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The problem seems to be that through his incoherence, you guys still print his unintelligible thought process and talk like he's making sense! On one hand he lumps everybody and says they're all after a payday with him but in the same sentence he says Manny hasn't called him out . Then he goes on to ramble about how a fight with Manny is not going to happen at a 50/50 split(which means it probably won't happen because Floyd's scared shitless at the prospect of getting hit by that left cross) Egged on by cheerleader Ricarda Schaefer positing some twisted logic which is sure to backfire on him when again they won't see any black ink anywhere as fight time gets nearer.
Frankly this "toughguy" talk is getting tiresome not just for me but for a whole lot of other people. Muhammad Ali's crass talk was 40 years ago and after seeing all that he spewed out at Frazier, it made me almost puke with disgust. Mayweather needs to understand that he's not getting through to a lot of people because of his attempt to be another classless albeit skilled fighter!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 08:29:42 PM
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Spoon:
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To the mayweather Jr. fans out there. Did you watch the Castillo vs Mayweather jr fight. That should have been a lost to mayweather Jr.even ledderman and Larry merchant saw that fight for castillo. I guess Mayweather should have a lost already his unblemished record is all made up cherry picker Mayweather's. Castillo already gave the blueprint on how to defeat mayweather jr. He can hide is pretty boy face all he wants but he can't hide his body from being hit. His body turned into a punching bag when Castillo pounded his frail body.. what more if pacman pushed his body with speed and accuracy Mayweather will go down for sure.
Mayweather taking a split decision over Delahoya, Mayweather beating Hatton on the 9th compared to Pacmans demolision job of delahoya tko on the 8th and Pacman's KO over Hatton on the 2nd round. Pacman never losing a round for three of his last fights speaks volumes. Enough said. YOur going down Roger Mayweather same as your classless brother Floyd senior. Your going to eat your words early next year when your nephew gets his ass whooping of his life over Pacman.
And just to add about Manny's lost to Morales part 1. Manny had a cut on his right eye which was a factor on why he lost. Manny couldn't see and he even with that handicapped Pacman almost won. Secondly he wasn't able to use his Cletto Reyes gloves which is a punchers glove. Knowing that in part 2 and 3 of their bouts with cleto reyes gloves and no cut in the eye of manny, Pacman redeemed himself and pulverized morales.
And to the cherrry picker morales knowing for a fact that he really lost to castillo makes his umblemished record frabricated. Anyway its not about having an unblemished record all the greats in boxing had a few loses. Its the quality of fighters that made then great. But we all know how mayweather cherry picks and ducts legit welters. I just wish he loses soon even to marquez to humble himself and his uncle Roger. There all bark and no teeth.
The only thing Mayweather Jr. said that might be true is that Mosley might still be taking steroids. A cheater will always be a cheater.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 08:41:03 PM
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loyacs:
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pbf you think really ure the best, you stupid black neger you always say your the best fighter here we go again you open your big mouth, how about if boxing viewer will boycott your fight to teach you a lesson me alone i will not see your boring fight
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:09:33 PM
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fox:
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JMM says he need to box smart while PBF says he will box intelligently, so we expect a boring fight. both will play a waiting game. the fight will end up in a UD in favor of PBF. not worthy of a PPV...
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:14:49 PM
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donputo69 doing 400 pushups:
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lmfao....i mean seriously....who's gonna pay to see these 2 bozo's fight?....not me....i'll stay home that night and play my fight night round 4.....naaaa mean....holla back!!!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:18:43 PM
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Fe'Roz @ #1 Pacfan and GOAT:
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Finally, the double standard is exposed. Where are all the Floyd Fans when PB needs them. Criticising Manny......for fighting UP in weight! No mention here of catchweights. This fight is the scam and a sham: a true welter fighting a guy who skipped a division completely to fight AT welterweight. Floyd damn sure must do things to Marquez that manny couldn't. Marquez had his wars and is beyond his prime. So nothing short of a convincing win will satisfy, nor should it. Cotto/Pacquiao, on the other hand, will be the FOTY. Now just to show fairness, the same standard I apply to PBF/JMM applies to Cotto and MP. whatever you decide, then sign it and fight. It's your decision. Then NO EXCUSES. Last point: Did you all enjoy the irony of "Money" MAY saying : Sometimes chasing money can mess your whole career up.” One word comes to mind: Priceless.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:26:01 PM
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stanley:
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Dela hoya came to fight night in good shape.. If your dehydrated there will be no sweat coming out of your body. Before the fight and the weigh in Dela hoya went to UNLV oval and was sweating. Furthermore, that means that he is hydrating and his coaches are really good and the weight was not done drastically.. Dela Hoya is not a fool and to think that he came fight night not 100% is a mere insult to his team. Nacho , Donde, Chaves and Conditioning coach rob garcia.. Dela hoya should have accepted that he was outclassed no mas.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:30:26 PM
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kirk3451:
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Mayweather is SCARED TO DEATH of PACMAN!!! ROFL... Mayweather is trying his best to discredit Pacman coz he's scared... he is trying to discredit Sugar Shane Mosley coz again he is scared of Mosley.. lol.. this gay uses his loudmouth to go around and evade true fights with true warriors.. Mayweather only fights small opponents from the lower weights or those welters who do not pose risk.. yet he claims being the greatest.. Oscar is supporting Mayweather coz gays support gays of course... lol.. pure BS coming from these gays...Pacman is truly the man to beat..they cant live and they cant survive their promotional fights without mentioning the name of the Almighty Pacman...
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:37:13 PM
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#1floydfan@donputo69:
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wat up wit da don you come down fightfan sometime and represent your boy cotto he gets no love down there i cant do it rocking a name like this hows the brooklyn zoo treating ya stay away from those monkeys holla bak old school
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:46:27 PM
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Mike:
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Man, some of you really need to get off Pacquiao's jockstrap.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:53:31 PM
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Ramonito @ Donputo:
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You will be the first s...pid watching this fight...
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 09:57:49 PM
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donputo69 chilaxing:
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hey....look who's here...none other than mojonsito aka #1fraudfan....lmfao....where you been hiding?....in the closet with your girl scareweather?....lmfao....oye pajaro....trust me....i rather watch desperate house wifes before i see these 2 payasos fighting....lmfao...ok mojonsito..holla back!!!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 10:16:45 PM
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jca:
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The fact that all of them (Oscar, May, and Mar-q) all talked smut against Manny on proves that it is Manny who is at the top and that all of them wanted badly what Manny has. The sad part in all of these is that - In the case of Oscar, he has somehow forgot how badly he got beat and how embarrasing it was. For Oscar to bad mouth Manny only proves how bitter he is because of the way he left the sport. In the case of Mar-q, - the stark difference between him and Manny is that Manny accept graciously whatever outcome in all of his fight. Take for example, the error of the judge that ended his first fight with Mar-q a draw. Actually he could have own that one but end up a draw. May on the other hand is freaking angry of Manny of reasons I myself dont know. Why not fight for a specific amount or which the fighter who wins that match gets 75 % of the pot. I am sure Manny will agree to that. Just like Hatton, May will hit the canvass and before the 9th round. By not accepting the 50/50 split, He is avoiding a match with Manny.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 10:18:29 PM
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Pacafanatic:
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Mr. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ...are you listening to what FLOYD is saying?...He is practically treating you as a beggar!..Do you actually know how much you are getting for this fight with Floyd? Im sure it will not surpass 30% and FLOYD is saying that you should be grateful for that?...Hahaha! C'mon Mr. MARQUEZ..you got more pride than that!...Otherwise, you have no right to say that you beat Pacman when Mr. FLOYD is practically treating you as a beggar!!!LOL
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 10:19:11 PM
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jeregue:
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A press con like this they should talk and promote their fight not the other way around. it seems that they are promoting the pacman next fight against the winner between them. Whoo they are making the pacman increase marketability. It also notice that they really need the pacman to sell their tickets, what a fuck. . . . . .
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 10:31:55 PM
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#1floydfan:
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stop playing donputo i know you got your recorder ready to go already so you can checkout some real skill pause rewind play it again
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 10:37:30 PM
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Salt lover:
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This is my kind of fight. My two favorite fighters. One that has never been defeated, that has ALWAYS dominated his opponents, and IS the real P4P king; the other who has outboxed the so-called P4P king today, and has since then defeated better fighters than him; Casamayor, Juan Diaz, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is a MUCH better resume than the bum David Diaz, the old/drained part-time boxer De la Hoya, and the one-dimensional-I-don't-know-what's-defense Hatton. Floyd Mayweather Jr (39-0) will demolish Juan Manuel Marquez and show 'Roach' and the Pacfans how things are done with Juan Manuel Marquez. I'll, for one side, suffer to see my other favorite fighter lose, but I'll still show mad respect for these two great fighters. The most UNDERrated, and unappreacited fighters in boxing today. I'm having Floyd pick up Marquez and being the FIRST and ONLY guy to finish Juan Manuel Marquez. Something nobody has done......not even..............what was it?....... "Fist of Death"?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 10:58:08 PM
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The Good Doctor:
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If the Marquez that fought Juan Diaz shows up, Floyd may have some problems. In the Diaz fight JMM showed some agressiveness which for people that know Floyd, can say he has some trouble with. (First part of fight with Oscar, Castillo) However, if JMM comes with a counter punch strategy, he will get his lunch eaten. PBF can defend and counter punch with the best of them. I may be in the minority but I still think this makes fo an interesting fight.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:14:27 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Fe'Roz, Floyd has to end this fight either by KO or by UD with knockdown(s) to get credibility. If not, he will be in no position to demand the lion's share of the purse. I'm rooting for both guys as one of them is either going to face Pacquiao, Cotto, or Mosley in 2010. Payce.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:15:03 PM
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jero:
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Oh! he's back... here we go again... Like Father like Son.
Let this fool fight a trying hard Mexican first and let's see how PPV they generate, (which I think mostly mexicans will watch) so he'll shut up and realize he's just a boxer-bitch blaberring!!!
I'll definitely watch this fight on the internet if ever it does happen... maybe another excuse again blabber mouth?
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:19:17 PM
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blizz:
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Remember that during the fight with Pac vs Oscar and Hatton it was RECESSION. Meaning if Pac fought during the time of Mayweather vs Oscar and Hatton he would have generated more figures. 50/50 is FAIR split. Who's greedy now?
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:30:08 PM
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aFan:
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Please don't use the PACMAN, in order for your poor ticket sale to improve, fans doesn't like you Mayweather as well as JMM. Mayweather you said that PACMAN hasn't done nothing I haven't done, i'll tell you one, two or three, first - have you jumping up and down in four weight division in just 14months? have you TKO Dela Hoya(i think Split decision was the verdict when you fought him)? Have you TKO Hatton in 2? You have so many excuse about the loss of Dela Hoya to Pacman, the gloves, the weight which Oscar doesn't deny nor confirm, so what makes you credible enough to say those excuses? Even you Rib injury.... ALL I WANT THE 3 STOOGES TO DO IS JUST TELL THE TRUTH AND PLS DON'T USE PACQUIAO TO SELL YOUR FIGHT. FIGHT THE PACMAN DON"T USE HIM TO SELL YOURS. please tell us the real reason, is it because of the poor ticket sales or what?
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:35:44 PM
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Salt lover:
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#1 Pacfan, if that's the real you, you talking nonsense. Since when getting the lions purse in a boxing fight has anything to do with how you finish fights? Last time I checked the one who gets the lions share is the one has MORE PPV's, man, that is so obvious. Floyd vs Hatton and De la Hoya, has sold more PPV's than Pacquiao. We'll have to wait and see who many PPV's number Floyd will get against Marquez. That's why the 'Roach' and his team has been calling the fight "boring", cuz if Floyd sells more with Marquez then what Pacquiao did, the one who's definitely getting the bigger is Floyd. Geez, you talking Pacquiao "Manila-whatever", "Fist of Death" is one thing, but this is CRAZY.
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:43:46 PM
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Spoon:
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First of all. Why is it that mayweather is so proud having those ppv buys when its Delahoya and hatton who pulled in those viewers. Granted it was more than Pacman vs Dlh or Pacman vs Hatton still you have to consider during pacman's time there was economic reccession during fights with DLH and Hatton.
Knowing those fact Mayweather vs Hatton did 900000 buys in a 'good economy', while pacman vs hatton did 850000 in a bad economy. So who is the better cash cow based on the condition of our economy? Remember people tend to save up on a crisis. and shockingly pacman did 8500000 almost the same when Mayweather danced with Hatton in a good economy.
Knowing he just recently preached that "the biggest fight in boxing is mayweather vs anybody he fights" As long as he barks and tells us it will always be a big fight when his in the equation. That's how proud he is. He is delusional thinking that his name alone can sell ppv without even needing a good dance partner to sell his fights. I wonder how good or bad his PPV numbers against marquez.will be??? I'm sure it willl be around 4000000 only. Knowing that i'm curious if he still thinks his the cash cow after the marquez fight and still ask the Pacman to get a higher split more than a 50/50 cut. Will he still have the bartering tool to ask that? I doubt it. I'm sure the truth will show that Pacman is trully the cash cow not mayweather. Even Dana White president of UFC mentioned Pacman as the true superstar not mayweather. Pacman will always have the star appeal rarely found in athletes. That makes him the superstar =)
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 11:55:44 PM
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blizz:
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Remember that during the fight with Pac vs Oscar and Hatton it was RECESSION. Meaning if Pac fought during the time of Mayweather vs Oscar and Hatton he would have generated more figures. 50/50 is FAIR split. Who's greedy now?
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:06:14 AM
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ultimoshogun:
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I'm with The Good Doctor on this one. This fight's gonna be more competitive than most think.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:56:47 AM
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crush-the-cherry:
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Pay-Per-View analysis between PACMAN and MAYWEATHER based from their last two big fights:
Mayweather versus Dela Hoya - people bought because they want to see Mayweather get beaten up
Mayweather versus Hatton - again, people bought because they want to see Mayweather get beaten up
PACMAN versus Dela Hoya - Why buy? Dela Hoya fighting a midget? Are you nuts? (and see what happened)
PACMAN versus Hatton - PACMAN will have an easy win anyway. I'll just watch the replay.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 01:19:32 AM
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jack dempsey:
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Mayweather, Marquez and Dela Hoya are dragging Pacquiao's name to promote their fight on sept 19....What more can i say THEY ARE BUNCH OF LOSERS!!!!
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 02:00:56 AM
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ali @ Fe'ROZ:
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That comment Floyed made about chasing money can mess up your whole career shock the hell out of me. I thought he said he don't fight for braging rights he fight for checks now maybe he had to take another look at how he approach coming back to boxing. What every it takes to get you in the right state of mind is a good move. I think its going to be a exciting fight cause Mayweather will be pushing the action cause he wants to look and to shut up some of his critics.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 02:14:00 AM
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kalem:
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For Mayweather Jr. thats enough!!!, too much talking of a losser like you. if you comparing the fight of Dela Hoya and Hatton.
You win by split decision with dela hoya but paquiao win by surrender (KO).
You win by KO in 10 rounds with hatton and after the KO hatton still wake up compare to paquiao win by KO in 2 rounds and hatton still sleeping.
You pissing me off!!! If you want to fight MP FIGHT in FIST not MOUTH.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 02:24:22 AM
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got_beef:
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The boxing world revolves around pacman. Dont 4 get its marquez vs. mayweather. The number 1 topic is pacquiao not their fight.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 03:03:37 AM
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ivan s:
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They are both saying they would box and how exciting would that be? It still looks like a mismatch and a boring one at that. Oskie and Richie are hyping this match as an even fight so they can get people to buy the PPV. I've given up analyzing Lil Floyd's statements coz he contradicts himself more often than a politician. Marquez is a great fighter but he's still a lightweight. Oskie & Richie better pray that the PPV numbers be greater than Pacman-Hatton. If not, it would only prove that Lil Floyd is not an attraction that he thinks he is and people would only pay to see Marquez fight the Pacman because "STYLES MAKES FIGHTS". The only interesting part about this match is that the name of Pacman is being thrown into the discussion and I would like to ask why? Many times have they underestimated Pacman's skill and capacity but he managed to pull it off and left us in awe on how he did it. Excitement is what sells and i dont think this fight has that ingredient. My heart goes with Marquez on this one but my mind says Lil Floyd would win via decision. I still wont buy the PPV though.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 04:00:33 AM
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The only thing that makes this fight interesting is they keep on talking about PACQUIAO and not the fight itself...Nothing more nothing less.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 05:06:16 AM
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Remember that during the fight with Pac vs Oscar and Hatton it was RECESSION. Meaning if Pac fought during the time of Mayweather vs Oscar and Hatton he would have generated more figures. 50/50 is FAIR split. Who's greedy now?
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:28:26 AM
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isidro:
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Same old story when it comes to Floyd Mayweather Jr's boastful and hardly covered arrogance towards Manny
and denying mode to all of his worries and real problems.
First of all he just unretired recently, and all of a sudden he is the only one, nothing had changed during his retirement period.Definitely it made him unpopular and lately dismissed as a great achiever in boxing by growing number of fans and experts.He made ,this article is precisely correct,more unanswered questions than being very clear of his statements made.The image of boxing is being hostage by his unabating,unresponsible statements which actually hurt boxing more than himself.Although his statements are debatable ,belittling other contemporary boxing achievers is like painting the institutions as dumb in recognizing them instead of him based on his zero record of defeat.Practically,he wants to encash his zero record without an argument.Then without changing his tone their clamor fight between him and Pacquiao won't happen immediately.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:02:25 AM
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gerry:
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Pacquiao never claimed he is the best. He experienced defeats but he came out better everytime he had one. And that is life. And that is what we always wanted to teach our children. Life is a not a bed of roses. But the beauty of it is, we get better even if it is not. But what do want to teach our kids is to live in the world of delusions or illusions. Mayweather has delusions that he is better than Pacquiao because he has a "no lost" record. Why not try Pacquiao on performance based money-take: 60-40 if TKO or knockdown, 55-45 if unanimous decision, 52.5-47.6 split decision, 50-50 if unanimous based? And Marquez has illusions that he beat Pacquiao. Is he questioning the judges and the system? In the first drawn fight, one of the judges ADMITTED that he was wrong. And Pacquiao should have won it, but did he raise a howl? NO BECAUSE HE IS A GENTLMAN. In the 2nd fight, Marquez said that he won. I am not a judge, but I got intrigued when he said so. I repeatedly watched the taped fight but MARQUEZ lost CLEARLY. Illusions.... Your fight is a fight between delusion and illusion promoted by a sore loser. You're in GOOD COMPANY.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:23:51 AM
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gerry:
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Pacquiao never claimed he is the best. He experienced defeats but he came out better everytime he had one. And that is life. And that is what we always wanted to teach our children. Life is a not a bed of roses. But the beauty of it is, we get better even if it is not. But what do want to teach our kids is to live in the world of delusions or illusions. Mayweather has delusions that he is better than Pacquiao because he has a "no lost" record. Why not try Pacquiao on performance based money-take: 60-40 if TKO or knockdown, 55-45 if unanimous decision, 52.5-47.6 split decision, 50-50 if unanimous based? And Marquez has illusions that he beat Pacquiao. Is he questioning the judges and the system? In the first drawn fight, one of the judges ADMITTED that he was wrong. And Pacquiao should have won it, but did he raise a howl? NO BECAUSE HE IS A GENTLMAN. In the 2nd fight, Marquez said that he won. I am not a judge, but I got intrigued when he said so. I repeatedly watched the taped fight but MARQUEZ lost CLEARLY. Illusions.... Your fight is a fight between delusion and illusion promoted by a sore loser. You're in GOOD COMPANY.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:24:14 AM
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This will be a very good fight . You can quote me on that . I can see the punches now . The height difference isn't that much , and these are two of the most skilled fighters of our era . I hope my schedule doesn't get in the way . I will have my brews and chips ready for this one . I want to see if Marquez can hook off of Mayweathers jab like he did Juan Diaz . Mayweather will surely try to make a statement . Shalom
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:41:26 AM
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A post fight video of ODLH - Mayweather,Jr captured his own father the big mouth Sr. personally said to Oscar that he should have the fight . But that was just somebody's opinion, but a good compliment for Oscar. What it got to do with Manny? Well, all of them Pachaters particularly the sore losers of Golden Boy promotions and Marquez Camp are ignoring the credibility of the authorities just like the big mouth Sr.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:47:35 AM
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rudy:
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DINAMITA BY KO!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:50:26 AM
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GBP CAN'T MAKE MARKETING PROMOTION W/OUT USING MANNY PAQUIAO BIG NAME ON IT, EVERY PROMOTIONAL TOUR'S THEY STOP MANNY'S NAME IS ALWAYS THERE. POOR GBP THEY CAN'T HYPER UP THE TOUR W/OUT PACMAN.MAYBE THEY KNOW THAT, THIS FIGHT, PACMAN SHOULD BE INVOLVE SO THAT, THEY CAN SELL OUT THE TICKETS VERY WILL, I WONDER HOW ENVY OSCAR ON BOB ARUM'S NOWADAYS. POOR LITTLE OSKIE GIRL.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:57:27 AM
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as the former heavywieght champion hollyfield said, "floyd was the best p4p fighter, but not anymore since he retired, he has to beat teh man" (reffering to pacman) to be the best p4p fighter again.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 10:25:56 AM
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Money May stirs the pot again and the anti-fans come out in droves,.. more Mayweather haters,.. than pro-Pacmanites,.. interesting (no wonder he earns more money) ,.. can't wait to see him in the ring,.. hope he still has the magic,.. I've scheduled the day off and and we're Having a Mayweather Fight night /Appreciation party,.. featuring my signature rib-sauce on Pork spareribs,... served up with some authentic Mexican cuisine in honor of JMM,.. the house will be Rockin',.. and hopefully Mayweather will be Poppin',..THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY FIGHT,... Man,... I live for days like this,.. peace.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 11:19:50 AM
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This is the thing that I want to see. Why don't we let Pacquiao fight
De La Hoya, Hatton and Mayweather in a row in a single night, and
see that He can beat them all! Place maywetaher in the last 3 rounds. I bet He can beat them all in just one night.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 11:30:02 AM
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VERY ENTERTAINING READING... What gets my attention is the fact he got hurt by a sparring partner and don't want to talk about it "in depth".... and he is facing Juan Manuel Marquez who can punch very hard to the body.... This is a factor right here. JMM will shoot to the ribs and harder than his sparring. I just hope he wins and Floyd shuts his mouth about being "the greatest" (who hasn't fought the best).
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 11:38:53 AM
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Mayweather opens his mouth as if he is the money machine when in reality it is not, if not for Hatton and de la Hoya he wont have a huge PPV sales,if him and Marquez could out sell Pacquiao/Marquez then it is the time that I will believe him that he is the man of PPV.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:19:59 PM
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The problem with this fight is that they can't promote this fight by their own. They need Manny's name to sell tickets. In fact PBF wins against Hatton and Gay La Hoya wasn't entertaining as Manny win. JMM claim that he won that fight against Manny, the fact is the fact the judges called Manny as the winner. If u insist that u win go get a boxing fight w/o a judge. As for your Promoter Gay La Hoya, " I was dehydrated when I fought Manny" go back and watch Dela Hoya- Pacquiao 24/7 on HBO. You sir Mr. Gaycar you commented " I'm on the best shape of my Life". Just accept it that u made a mistake calling a small guy that kicked your ass! To make things worst Schaefer joined the gang on which he commented that PBF brings the spectator for PPV. Manny never moved a fight due to a low sales of ticket. Yeah the truth hurts that's y u are Attacking Manny. The TRUTH is Manny is the pound for pound king right now. Until nobody beats him he stays there. I don't know what to call your gang right now, all I can say is go promote your fight by your own not at the expense of bad mouthing somebody else!!!!
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:33:51 PM
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PBF is who he says he is! There is nothing he said in this article that he hasn't said before. PBF is not a legit Welter! He has 39 fights and 34 of them were at 140 and below so why does people make it seem as though he is a 160 lber fighting a welter, ops that was B-hop. How about a 154 lber begging to fight a jr. welter, ops, that's shane. Also, it's funny hearing people who have 9 to 5's say PBF is broke! In the next 18 months he will probably make about 50 million dollars and in this same period most of us will make about 80 thousand dollars but people says he is broke? Wow if that's broke where do I sign up for it.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:40:07 PM
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I'm with you RUDY. JMM is going to shake the world with this one, and write his name in the history books forever. Then we get Manny JMM 3, one for the ages. TOONOY YA BAS
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:43:10 PM
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PS, I'm on holiday for a few weeks, so just assume I agree with half of you and disagree with the other half for a while. Toonoy
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 12:45:34 PM
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Ramonito @ donputo:
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I was waiting to hear your non sense comments.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 03:37:36 PM
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Brown beans:
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Say JMM beats floyd, and Cotto beats Pacman, who will win betweenJMM vs Cotto,Holla.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 03:45:44 PM
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Bruno@ Brown beans:
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Thats a good discution ,that would be an interesting fight.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 03:47:25 PM
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I agree with both doctors...The good Doctor and Dr.Votts. This will b e an entertaining fight. There is no doubt Pacman is a great fighter, he's shown it in all his fights, but there is no doubt in my mind that JMM has fought the most dangerous boxers since he and Pacman last fought each other. There is obviously a lot of non -believers out there, but JMM can win this fight, and even if he doesn't , he will make it extremely interesting. I believe he is going to force PBF to fight. Ultimoshogun, I agree with you as well, this will be a very competitive fight....Let's see what all the nay-sayers will come up with after the fight. Prediction: PBF by UD in a very competitive and entertaining fight.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 05:24:38 PM
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MisterLee @ Anony:
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Yo man! Yeah man! That COULD make the fight a classic, if JMM injures Floyd, and floyd shows vulnerability and heart, it COULD be a classic. We will see, otherwise it'll be a counterpunching un-frenzy, a true classic, like dirrell stevens, jones hopkins! :) :) :) hahaah...
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 05:26:32 PM
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@Salt, I thought you knew your boxing. How do you think Mayweather is going to look if he beats Marquez by split decision. It will make him look weak because he outweighs, he is taller than Marquez which makes him the bigger man. He has to look impressive against Marquez who had close fights with Manny who is the smaller fighter compared to Marquez and Mayweather. Manny destroyed Oscar and made him quit, he sent Hatton to another planet by his destructive 2nd round KO. While Mayweather had a split decision with Oscar and it took May 10 rounds to KO Hatton. Now I know styles make fights and all of the other excuses you are about to say but that's how the public views it as. Manny look more impressive defeating Oscar and Hatton. It will be embarrassing if Floyd win this fight by a close decision HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE! Manila Ice, Fist of Death, and Old School punch is something Mayweather better study if he ever faces Manny because if he don't he will see those words while he's on the ground. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHE!
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:02:37 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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Mayweather has an a better resume?LOLOLOLOHAHHAHAHAHAH you're funny buddy. We've discuss this issue so many times and you got schooled. If you want my answer on his resume go back to the archives and while you're at it read yours as well. Manny has proved you wrong so many times I lost count.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:06:22 PM
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OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!! #1 Pacfan, you though Im knew boxing, and I thought you know how to READ. First of all, I recommend you READ well what I write. I was talking about JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ'S OPPONENTS: ........................"Casamayor, Juan Diaz, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is a MUCH better resume than the bum David Diaz, the old/drained part-time boxer De la Hoya, and the one-dimensional-I-don't-know-what's-defense Hatton"........... in other words Juan Manuel Marquez's last three opponents, are a better resume than Pacquiao's last three opponents. I wasn't talking about Floyd LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You say I "got schooled", and you can't even read right. And you lost count? Mention me when Pacquiao has proved me wrong? You make sound as if it was a LOT of times. De la Hoya's the only time, and Marquez we all know who won that fight. The boxing community knows who won that fight.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:20:46 PM
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Anyways, BACK TO TOPIC, don't change it. I read all you wrote now, about what if Floyd wins a SD, or that Pacquiao destroyed (DRAINED) Oscar, and Hatton and stuff. But again I ask you: What does that have to do in choosing who gets the bigger share? PPV numbers are the things that determines who gets the bigger piece of the pie. It doesn't matter what a fighter does in the ring, win, lose, draw, No-Contest, Split Decision, KO, Unanimous Decision etc. it doesn't matter. What matters is who got more numbers in PPV in recent fights. And Floyd has got more PPV's with De la Hoya and Hatton, than has Pacquiao with those two guys, REGARDLESS if Pacquiao did this or the other thing.........................and about Floyd getting a decision with De la Hoya, well, there's a difference between 154lbs De la Hoya and a 147lbs drained Oscar. PLEASE, everybody knows that. I think it's YOU who having probleme knowing boxing.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:26:53 PM
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Let's wait and see whether PBF-JMM fight will sell-out. Let's wait and see whether PBF still has the market value that he's being proud of.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 06:39:03 PM
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Basilio:
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Basilio says boycott. Basilio dice boycott. I'm already bored and tired of Money and Marquez and the fight didn't even start yet.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 08:10:57 PM
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Felix Trinidad destroyed William Joppy to win the WBA Middleweight Title. He sent Joppy three times to the canvas and completely brutalized him. Bernard Hopkins won a decision against Joppy and never sent him to the canvas not once. Who's a better fighter between Trinidad and Hopkins? We all know Hopkins whooped Trinidad's butt in the Madison Square Garden in front of the whole Puerto Rican crowd. Punching power doesn't mean better fighter. Same goes with Floyd and Pacquiao. Whoever thinks Pacquiao's gonna beat Floyd just because he KO'ed De la Hoya and Hatton, is completely IGNORANT in this sport. Pacquiao can be called, whatever names ya'll put him, but if he ever gets in the with Floyd, he's getting an ass whoopin' from a fighter who's smarter, better defensively, and better skills. Lesson to you #1 Pacfan: Punching power DOES NOT means better fighter. Case closed.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 08:22:57 PM
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Salt and #1 Pacfan, let's take one fight at a time. Floyd needs to pay attention to the smaller but still dangerous JMM......and Manny needs to be very careful not to look any further than the Miguel's left shoulder to make sure he avoids the power eminating from Cotto's left hand.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:28:26 PM
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Marco Polo:
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Speed and lots of heart kills
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:40:06 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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As these big guys fight little guys and vica versa....there's a serious media fight brewing etween Juanma and Cabellero with Cabalero calling Juanma a 'maric*n' for avoiding him over some minor sanctioning fees.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 10:22:06 PM
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watch the HBO 24x7 of De la Hoya's training for Pacquiao. HE WAS IN TIP TOP SHAPE. IN THE BEST SHAPE IN HIS LIFE as he and his trainers themselves said many times in the video. boxing is bizzare. the more dudes like Mayweather tells someting not true the more people thinks it's the truth. and the more bizzare thing is that boxing writers tnd Mayweather think alike.
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 10:31:01 PM
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@Salt, first of all Mayweather needs Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needing Mayweather. May knows this that's why he is already trying to price himself out like JMM did after their fight. Manny proved you wrong when he fought JMM(your excuses are not valid due to your prediction very well off course), D.Diaz( you said that Manny's time has come to and end), ODLH( you said Oscar was going to kill Pac), Hatton( speechless...I think you got tired of being wrong), Cotto(?),(afraid to predict on that one aye), Mayweather( your last chance at redemption, you'll need to go to church for this one). JMM having a better resume than Pac? OMG! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 45 year old Papa Casamayor who got lucky against Katsidis, Juan Diaz who is a feather-fisted fighter who hasn't knocked out a guy in his last 10 fights. Pac's got two wins over the canvass kisser so that alone is impressive. I never said anything about punching power, Pac's a three dimensional fighter now. Do me a favor, go to church and pray that your boy Mayweather doesn't end up fight Pacmonster.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 01:23:57 AM
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I've said many times that after Manny destroys all of his opponents at the end of the day excuses will swarm like flies. Atleast come up a with a strategic prediction to make it like you're trying and not the same o'l Pacquiao is going down, Pacquiao is going to get killed. Pac's going out on top and nobody is going to stop him in his tracks(Mosley might pose that threat tho).
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 01:33:13 AM
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Fe'roz:
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I always say what I mean and mean what I say but when it comes to accurate predictions I will never doubt the #1Pacfan
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 05:42:06 AM
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ali @ #1Pacfan:
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I've said many time that after MAywweather whoops all of his opponents ass and I do mean all of his opponents (39-0) at the end of the day excuses will and has swarm like flies.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 09:00:50 AM
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ali @ salt lover:
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You make some real good points its about PPV buys not about how you win your fights in some cases you don't even have to win your big fights (Oscar)and you still get a bigger share of the purse. So far Mayweather has out sold Pac so he does have a good point about getting more money. Pac fans are going to say it's because of the economy but it was bad when Mayweather fought Hatton and Oscar. As a fan I wish they just split the money down the middle or 60% goes to the winner so the fight can happen cause I want Mayweather to show these Pac fans who's really #1P4P.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 09:13:53 AM
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Yeah, yeah, that was the excuse a fellow countryman of yours said when Marquez crushed his prediction "He's 45 years old", and became TSS most RIDICULOUS excuse, and now you have hold on to that. You're smart enough to know that "45 year old Papa Casamayor" is faster, more slick, a hell of a better fighter than the BUM, slow David Diaz. Juan Diaz, now you calling him a light fisted fighter, and you were those predicting his Victory over Juan Manuel and then you cameback started writing "Hail to Marquez!" and you had to put "P4P 2nd to Marquez" LOL!!!!!! Unlike De la Hoya, Juan Diaz is YOUNG, in his PRIME, and STRONG at the Weightclass he fought Marquez. Light fisted or not, he was HEALTHY and comfortable at his weight, and you though he was fonna win. And we all know Floyd Mayweather Jr is better fighter than Ricky Hatton. It's damn OBVIOUS Marquez has fought better fighters than Pacquiao in their last three fights. That's what's called a better resume. Fighting better fighters. And if Pacquiao's "wins" (The second one, 90% of the boxing world knows Marquez was the real winner, HELL, even Ring Magazine expressed Pacquiao didn't won even when they HAD to give him the belt, and also many of your own people know scored it for Marquez) Pacquiao NEVER dominated Marquez, even sending him to the canvas 4 TIMES!!!!. Imagine, 4 TIMES TO THE CANVAS and never got not even a single UD WOW! If Floyd defeats Marquez by UD or KO, that's a smack to the Filipino fighter, you know that. OH!! And not to forget, Floyd's fighting Marquez after a year and 1/2 layoff. If he dominates him after being all that time away, damn!; that's why NOW you're saying Marquez is tough as nails and stuff. You never said that about Marquez, and now is convinient to you....."go to church and pray that your boy Mayweather doesn't end up fight Pacmonster" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Floyd's skills are enough. Don't need no church for that.........................thinkalike, yeah that's what De la Hoya has ALWAYS say in all his fights "I'm in the best shape of my life", I'm in the best shape of my life" and he always fades in the mid-rounds. De la Hoya at 147lbs in 2008 was more drained than a baby in a incubator. Any bum Welter and Jr Welter would've KO'ed De la Hoya that night.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 10:52:59 AM
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Anyways, again,let's get back to the topic, which you avoid with all those writings: The 'who needs who' argument was never a determining factor on getting the lion's share. 'Who needs who's is only trash talk fighters say to the press about other fighters. The NUMBERS of the PPV's are the things that says who gets more money. Ask De la Hoya. ali, PPV numbers have ALWAYS been the ONLY factor in determining the bigger piece of the purse. Now the Pacfans have to mention the KO's and Mayweather Jr-won-a-decision-when-Pacquiao-KO-the-fighter argument to try make it a reason to think that's why Pacquiao get bigger piece of the pie. That has never had anything to do in the negotiations. The Truth is De la Hoya-Mayweather is boxing's biggest revenue in history. Mayweather Jr-Hatton has done more numbers than Pacquiao-Hatton, that's why ROB Arum hid the numbers at the beginning and didn't wanted to show them at first. And now Team Pacquiao has to start calling Mayweather-Marquez "boring" so they can try and convince the public not to buy it. They know Floyd has sold more numbers than Pacquiao. If Floyd gets more numbers with Marquez, then it's FLAT obvious, Pacquiao will get the worse part of the contract if steps up against Floyd. We'll have to wait and see how many buys Marquez and Floyd will do.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 10:54:07 AM
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Thanks Fe'Roz for the compliment, see there's a difference between we Pacquiao fans and the Mayweather fans. Mayweather fans 24/7 hope and pray for the day Pac gets dethrone while we just wait for the day he wins against the best possible opponent out there. If I was a hater I would say, "JMM is going to win this by KO or easy win for Marquez but I don't. I'm 80% sure May is going to win this...Marquez will dictate the action and his weakness is when he goes forward and wants to get aggressive. @Ali, May-Castillo 1 looked like Floyd was the battered fighter that night so I wouldn't say he whooped all of his opponents. He didn't even hurt Baldomir, Oscar, etc...I do agree with you tho regarding the split in purse of 60% goes to the winner.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 11:49:28 AM
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Anybody catch the rematch between Brian Kenny and Mayweather on ESPN yesterday? Not as intense as the first interview but still pretty good. In a round about way Mayweather pretty much said he's still the undisputed WW champ since Mosley and Margarito are cheaters and never specified what exactly happened to his ribs in training camp. From what he says its gonna be interesting if we ever see him against Pacman cuz he's not willing to settle for 50/50 on the purse. However, I do agree with him on his comments about Cotto.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 12:33:09 PM
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THIS JUST SHOWS HOW FAMOUS PACQUIAO IS NOWADAYS WHEN 2 FIGHTERS WHO WILL FACE EACH OTHER TALKS MOSTLY ABOUT A THIRD PARTY (PACQUIAO) ON THEIR FIGHT CONFERENCE AND PACMAN IS NOT EVEN ON THAT FIGHT CARD AND TO TOP IF OFF GBP EVEN JOINED IN THE FIASCO! PACQUIAO IS THE MAN!!! ADMIT IT!!! NUFF SAID
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 01:30:53 PM
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@Salt, I did give Marquez props for his win against J.Diaz, I even put him #1 on my P4P list. But that only lasts so long that eventually Manny would retake that position. I told you that he would retake it after his fight with Hatton but you didn't believe. Regarding the outcome of the Marquez fight, of course there will always be criticism over the outcome of close fights. The same goes to May when he fought Castillo in the first fight, everyone saw Castillo winning that fight. J. Diaz may have been in his prime but it's safe to say now that he was overrated and overhyped. He reminded me of him as the overhyped prospect Ortiz. They eventually get exposed by unknown fighters(Nate Campbell). Mayweather needed Oscar and Hatton for him to produce those type of numbers...how did he do with Zab? What about Baldomir? He even used a washed up Gatti(R.I.P.) to make that money. Believe me he is not the draw and there's nothing you think of that will convince me otherwise. Come on, Pacquiao just won the ESPY's Fighter of the Year!! What more do you want?
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 03:58:49 PM
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Nobody hurts Baldomir but he damn sure gave him a boxing lesson....Mayweather did wobble Oscar with a uppercut when he was on the ropes I believe it was round 3 or 4, go on Youtube and check it out. Also Pac whoop on Oscar but he never hurt him.... Mayweather-Castillo 1 Floyed did'nt look battered at all it was a clost fight but he still won. Now you don't even want to talk about being battered cause Pac -Morales 1 we know how ya boy Pac looked after that fight. Pac has been knocked out by two bums now that's what you call getting battered.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 04:09:50 PM
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#1 Pacfan, first of all, how can you say Juan Diaz was "overrated"? A young fighter who had three World Titles, and was THE Lightweight Champion is hardly overrated. And then you compare him to Victor Ortiz??!!! A guy who has NEVER won a World Title in his life? What kind of comparison is that, man? And Nate Campbell may have been unknown to you, but many has seen Campbell before, and I remember his fight with a primed Casamayor where the decision was very questioned. Juan Diaz was the best, and now one of the best Lightweights in the World. De la Hoya in 2008 was not the best anywhere. About the Mayweather Jr-Castillo I fight, yes, I totally agree with you here. In the first Castillo fight, I also believe Jose Luis Castillo was the real winner. That's the only stain I see in Floyd's career. But in the rematch Floyd completely dominated him...........ali, you forgot to mention Floyd and De la Hoya were using 10oz gloves, to them those are pillows. Pacquiao used 8oz gloves. However, in my opinion, I think Castillo won the first fight. My opinion man.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 04:38:37 PM
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And let's talk about PPV numbers. OK you mention what about Floyd's numbers with Zab and Baldomir. Well let's see: Mayweather Jr-Baldomir 325K buys. Floyd vs Judah 350K buys. Floyd vs Gatti 340K buys. What about Pacquiao with David Diaz? 250K buys. The only fight Pacquiao can outshine that is his rematch with Marquez which was 400K buys. But like I wrote, that can may come up short depending what Floyd gets with Marquez in September. We'll have to wait and see. And like I wrote before Mayweather Jr-De la Hoya/Hatton were bigger numbers than Pacquiao-De la Hoya/Hatton, the most recent and more popular fights. That's why Team Pacquiao and ROB Arum (Who by the way, has had his office raided by the FBI) are saying bad things about Floyd's fight with Marquez calling it "boring". And ROB Arum has tried to get to Floyd saying a fight with Pacquiao would be split in 50/50. No promoter says that. They usually work for the bigger piece of the share, but since he knows Floyd has bigger numbers than Pacquiao, so now he wants 50/50. That old man's greed is costing boxing a lot of great fights. First it was Cotto, who could never said "I want Mayweather" and now the same thing is happening to Pacquiao. I would LOVE to see Floyd vs Cotto/Pacquiao/Clottey/Margarito at ANY Weightclass or catchweight, but that old geezer's messing things up and that's what the fans don't understand. They want just Floyd to get in there and forget about such an important part which is the BUSINESS. And Mosley I BELIEVE, if Mosley stays on top, the fight with Floyd will eventually happen. In my opinion.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 04:52:35 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Ali, I thought we were discussing about May whoopin all of his opponents. Mayweather not only had a hard time hurting Baldomir he gave him a dancing lesson. How many times did Baldo get hit? 5 times? 10 times? Don't me wrong I love the art of sweetscience but atleast look good doing it. SRL looked good doing it and Ali looked great doing; as for Floyd we have yet to see. Pacquiao-Morales 1=wrong gloves. Pac's two KO losses was due to starvation.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 05:02:28 PM
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ali @ #1Pacfan:
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He did he's 39-0 and still pretty on the other hand Pac damn sho can't say the same thing cause he's been battered few times bad. Another thing Pac said is he lost cause he did'nt have the gloves he wanted in the first Morales so did Roy Jones vs Trindad but he still handled his business. Pac KO losses were due to Starvation ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... now keep it real with me if Mayweather got KO by Marquez and I say it was due to STARVATION cause the fight was at 144 you would laugh your ass off and clown me on TSS.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 05:39:21 PM
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Boxing Fan:
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This fight doesn't excite me, will they even fight or wait for each other all day.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 06:49:16 PM
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Marco Polo@ali:
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hey man, how sure are you that pacquiao didn't hurt oscar? are you oscar? why somebody quit the fight if his not hurt? think man before you type. what a loser. get a life man. real warriors get some punishment at first, but they come back. sometimes for vengeance but sometimes they learn from their mistake. haven't you thought about it why your boy floyd and marquez talks too much about pacquiao. why don't they talk trash to each other. because they need pac for their publicity stunt. and this fight is a BS if mayweather loses. damn. il go bet my money on baccarat than to watch these two clowns fight.
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 08:57:28 PM
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Marco Polo:
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i saw this clown fights a UD for mayweather, coz they will just wait wait wait wait den bam den wait wait wait wait wait den bell rings its over..then they will hug, Mayweather: damn i was bored waiting for your punch man. Marquez: Me too amigo. Mayweather: Nway it doesn't matter we make lots of money.Marquez: Yeah your right amigo,who care about the fans we are rich.Mayweather:damn your right my friend. So no hard feelings man.Adios... owwwww ow waiting is boring..
Thursday Jul 16, 2009 09:02:46 PM
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the good doctor:
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For all of the Floyd haters out there calm it down just a little. True Floyd's resume is a little suspect, ok fighters, not good or great ones. But Floyd is 39-0, has won several titles, and with the exception of the first Castillo (which was a pretty clear draw to me) and DLH ( he was losing after 7) never been in real trouble in a fight. For those of you expecting Floyd to blast JMM, don't bet on it. First, it's not Floyd's style, he very rarely dominates anyone. He is a defensive minded counter puncher which unfortunately does not bring about great fights or boatloads of knockouts. Secondly, JMM has been blasted before (Pac, Barrera, & Pac again) and has still managed to keep coming. Now I dislike Floyd just as much as the next guy (probably more), however you have to give him some due, not alot, but some. You also have to give him some credit for taking a fight fresh out of a layoff with a dangerous fighter whom he gains nothing from beating. If he beats him, he was suppose to, if he doesn't he's a bumb at questionable place in his career
Friday Jul 17, 2009 06:58:10 AM
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ali @ Marco Polo:
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Hey man I did mean to upset you calm down ha ha ha.... I never said he was'nt a warrior, he is but he's been battered and that's the truth. Now since that time he's become a beast the reason I pointed that out was because #1Pacfan said Mayweather looked battered after May-Castillo 1(just read our post)You make a good point im not in Oscar but I never seen his legs shaky never seen him wobble and he never went down he just got his ass whoop. I can only go by what I see none of us are in the ring but I've been watching boxing for over 25 years I think I can tell by now.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 07:43:49 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Salt, the reason for the Diaz and Ortiz comparison is because they are young and inexperienced fighters where they both got exposed. Who did J. Diaz beat to get his title? If you can answer that then you get 10 points. @Ali, just because he's undefeated doesn't mean he's the best. Everyone uses that it's starting to get old. True that Manny has been battered but it hasn't affected him as a fighter or his status as the best fighter in the world. I thought ya'll said that Floyd is a natural Jr. Welterweight, it shouldn't be hard to get down a few pounds. @Good doctor, I credit Floyd for his career as being a great fighter BUT I have not rated him as an All Time Great just yet.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 11:17:22 AM
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Steve the hater @ salt lover:
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Finally somebody realize that pacman is cherry picking his fighters,yes the last three fighters that pacman fought vs the ones marquez fought are way better, just that Pacman is a Pu...ssy he wants no risk, and marquez is taking all the risk and knocking everybody out,if pacman doesnot feel comfortable fighting at 147 lbs then theres plenty of good strong fighters at 140 lbs,so i call him chich..ken, and overrated,holla.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 11:20:52 AM
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Well, that's a VERY bad comparison. Compare a guy who's never held a single World Title before, and he's not a top 5 in the Welterweight, with another who held three World Titles (WBA, WBC, WBO) in his Division and been considered the best Lightweight in his Division, and right now is one the best in the Division. That's a very bad comparison. Getting three World Titles in a single Division by itsef, it's a great achievement. And just because he lost ONCE with Nate Campbell, in a SD, he's suddenly an exposed and no good, and thus Juan Manuel's Vicotry over him is not great? What makes you believe those two are comparable? Because they're both almost the same age? PLEASE, That comparison is ridiculous.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 11:29:05 AM
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Salt lover:
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Steve the hater, I don't agree that Pacquiao is overrated, or a wuss. He fights anybody and wherever. But the whole catchweight thing makes some people question his fights' legitimacy. If he would fight Cotto at 147lbs, and beat Cotto, since obviously the Puerto Rican fighter won't get in the ring drained, then the Victory will definitely be real and great. But they want 143lbs, 145lbs, and then Roach says he wants to clear doubts on the De la Hoya fight, and that Cotto can fight weighing 200lbs. Well if he doesn't care, and if he wants to do that, then fight Cotto at 147lbs. What's the problem? And yeah definitely Juan Manuel Marquez's last three opponents are better opponents than Pacquiao's. Joel Casamayor, Juan Diaz, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is better than David Diaz, Oscar De la Hoya (of 2008), and Ricky Hatton. The first three are more dangerous opponents.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 11:36:45 AM
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The Puncher:
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All of you guys can say whatever you want about JMM, Floyd and Manny, but the bottom line is that Floyd is undefeated, Manny beat JMM while himself also getting choped up.
All three are great boxers that makes us all come to this website and talk the talk, but I bet you that none of use will put on some gloves with these three boxers.
I see JMM defeating Floyd due to his "aggressive" counter punching abilities while Pacman accepts Cotto at 147 and fing his way to go to sleep.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 11:38:46 AM
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BoxingFan:
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Hey Steve, don't you have anything better to do than talk B.S. You are a poor excuse of boxing fan.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 01:24:30 PM
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ali @ #1Pacfan:
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Are you saying Pac was dain (like Oscar) when he got knocked out your comments are getting funny as hell. I can't use any of those excuses for Floyed cause if I do im going to sound like a sore loser.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 03:40:11 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Ali, you need some history check on Manny's career homeboy. I don't have excuses for Pac those are facts I'm stating. Believe me, it's going to be you who will need a million excuses when Pac beats Floyd and you can take that to the bank. @BoxingFan, ignore those type of characters they like to get attention because maybe they were neglected as a child.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 04:07:43 PM
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ali @ #1Pacfan:
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That what im going to do go straight to the bank and pick up the money im going to win when Mayweather gives your Boy Pac a boxing lesson. #1 Pacfan I enjoy going back and forth with you about this topic but for now im done with it until next time One!
Friday Jul 17, 2009 05:47:57 PM
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steve the hater @boxing fan:
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Sorry if the truth hurts you but it is what it is and when your boy pacman fight a real challenge like Mosley he will get my respect and everybody else, besides marquez he hasnt fough anybody dangerous and now he is trying to bring Cotto down to 143lbs thats ridiculous,he is not even mentioning Mosley, so to me he is worse than Mayweather, what is he going to do next try to beat Roy Jones at 135lbs? to say oh i beat all the big names iam the best,like i said, theres plenty of talent at 140lbs why doesnt he fight them?he? can you answer that/?dont think so, what about Berto? a young fighter with skills, if he says he is the best fight the best at their weigh or fight smaller fighters,i am done.holla.....
Friday Jul 17, 2009 06:00:34 PM
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theghost162:
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From what I was reading guess we not going to see a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight anytime soon (that is if Floyd gets passed Marquez no easy feat) Its sad the politics of boxing I try to defend the sport as much as I can but in the UFC the best fight the best to see who is the best boxing nowdays is all about the paydays and boxers want to promote and be boxing stars at the same time it doesnt work like that.
Friday Jul 17, 2009 09:26:39 PM
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steve the hater @ salt lover:
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Pacman is not overrated i know, but it pissed me off that he is cherry pick his fighters and we dont see him fight the fighters he should fight,but good comments from you salt lover.
Saturday Jul 18, 2009 02:14:48 AM
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BoxingFan@The Hater:
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What truth? That he beat everybody he's faced since 05. That's the truth and it's hard for you to swallow the facts. Also you should know that Pacman is P4P #1 and he fought everybody from 122-140 and hasn't ducked anybody.
Saturday Jul 18, 2009 11:30:09 AM
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james:
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This fight is definitely #1 vs Numero 1.Anyone who knows anything about boxing will tell you that Marquez won BOTH fights against Pacquiao.75% of American writers and analysts had Marquez winning their second fight.Even 50% of Filipino analysts and writers had Marquez winning their second fight.Mayweather retired as #1 P4P in 2007 and now is back, if he wins he can truly claim the 31 spot, if Marquez wins it just solidifies his claim to being P4P the best..PERIOD.
Saturday Jul 18, 2009 04:38:16 PM
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james:
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Why do people keep bashing Mayweather for not facing the best 147lbers when May is not a natural 147 lber himself.Mayweather is a natural 130 lb fighter and faced the best 130, 135 and 140 lbers.It's not like Pacquiao has faced anyone special above 130lbs and Pac should have lost his last fight @130 vs Marquez.Pac fans are all new to boxing and are a lil ignorant when it comes to details such as these.
Saturday Jul 18, 2009 04:47:41 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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