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Monday Jul 6, 2009

Might Chambers be able to use his superior ring generalship to handle another East Euro giant? If yes, get the confetti ready, Philly's havin' a parade!

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Eddie Chambers' Coming-Out, And Coming-Home, Party

By Bernard Fernandez

              There are those who to this day insist that future heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, upon returning from his gold-medal-winning performance at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, was greeted at Philadelphia International Airport by … no one.

 

              No brass band. No television cameras. No tape recorder- and notebook-wielding reporters. No throngs of well-wishing fans.

 

              So reportedly frustrated was Smokin’ Joe by the lack of hoopla over his signal accomplishment that he temporarily went back to his job at a local slaughterhouse, convinced he was through with boxing and boxing was through with him. But then a group of area businessmen formed an alliance called Cloverlay to financially back Frazier’s early professional career in the belief that, hey, maybe the young slugger with the sledgehammer left hook just might make a go of it in the ring.

 

              It’s a funny thing about Philadelphia, which long has prided itself as being America’s premier fight town, the place where great champions are forged at a per-capita rate that exceeds any other municipality. At one point in the 1970s, four of the world’s top 10 middleweights all resided within Philly’s city limits. Another was world-rated at junior middleweight. What would be the odds of that happening now? Ten thousand to one? Higher?

 

              But while Philadelphia boxing gold medalists Meldrick Taylor and Tyrell Biggs were honored with a parade in their hometown following their successes at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics, the route was only eight blocks long and was observed mostly by curious lunchtime passers-by. When longtime Philly icon Bernard Hopkins became the first man to knock out Oscar De La Hoya, on Sept. 18, 2004, the parade hastily organized to celebrate “The Executioner’s” feat drew perhaps 10,000 enthusiastic fans, a nice turnout but far less than the seven-figure mob that packed Center City after the 2008 Phillies ended 25 years of civic frustration in the major team sports by knocking off the Tampa Bay Rays in five games in the World Series.

 

              And if you think that was lovefest was as good as it possibly can get for a Philly franchise, wait to you see how huge the outpouring of affection will be if and when those perennial playoff bridesmaids, the Eagles, ever win a Super Bowl.

 

              So maybe the welcoming committee for heavyweight Eddie Chambers upon his arrival from Germany, where he had pulled a Fourth of July upset of unbeaten Ukrainian Alexander “Sascha” Dimitrenko, wasn’t as extensive as it had been for Taylor and Biggs. Comprised of Denise Murray, wife of Chambers’ manager-trainer, Rob Murray Sr., and a reporter for the Philadelphia Daily News, it was at least as much as the turnout for Frazier 45 years earlier.

 

              “Who’s that?” one departing passenger inquired as the reporter interviewed Chambers.

 

              “Must be some kind of a celebrity,” another responded.

 

              Must be. But know this: should the transplanted Chambers, 27, who moved cross-state from Pittsburgh to Philly in 2002 to advance his boxing career, return from his likely next trip across the Atlantic Ocean on a similar winning note, it’s a virtual certainty his reception at the airport will be bigger and warmer.

 

              The heavyweight championship of the world might not carry the cachet it once did, but tradition dictates that it still rates a reasonable amount of TV face time and an opportunity for any new claimant to satisfy the curiosity of previously disinterested media inquisitors.

 

              To Rob Murray Sr.’s way of thinking, Chambers’ 12-round, majority decision over Dimitrenko in a WBO heavyweight eliminator is merely the precursor to an even more shocking upset, the one in which the undersized “Fast Eddie” flummoxes another Ukrainian giant widely regarded as the best big man in boxing,WBO/IBF heavyweight titlist Wladimir Klitschko, with his quick hands and middleweight’s mobility. Klitschko, who also regularly fights in Germany, would be a significant favorite over Chambers (35-1, 18 KOs), but then so was Dimitrenko (29-1, 19 KOs).

 

              “Eddie showed everybody how to beat a big guy,” Murray said after Chambers, just 6-1 and a trim 208¼ pounds, the lightest he’s been since he scaled in at 207 for a 2003 bout with Allen Smith, systematically chopped down Dimitrenko, who at 6-7 and 253½ towered above him as might an NBA power forward posting up a point guard.

 

              “We are No. 1 in the world, not just the United States, and, yes, I’m including the Klitschkos (the WBC heavyweight champ is Wladimir’s older brother, Vitali). Eddie Chambers is the best heavyweight in the world. Absolutely he is the best heavyweight in the United States. I don’t think there’s any question about that.”

 

              Supporters of Cristobal Arreola, the 6-4, 255-pound big banger from Riverside, Calif. – who, incidentally, is promoted by Goossen Tutor, as is Chambers – might dispute Murray’s claims as to the identity of the current main man in U.S. heavyweight boxing. Certainly, those who regard the Klitschkos as superior beings far above the shallow talent pool of American wannabes aren’t buying what Murray is selling. But Murray always has had a keen eye for talent, and Chambers’ rise to his present level of prominence is exactly what he envisioned in 2002, when, acting on a tip from a friend, he checked out the pudgy kid with the rapid-firecombinations.

 

              Who knew that Chambers’ eight-round, unanimous decision over David Chappell – no, not the smart-alecky comedian in Pittsburgh on April 26, 2002, would provide Murray with a glimpse into a crystal ball whose blurry images only now coming into sharper focus.

 

              “I thought Eddie had a lot of potential,” said Murray, who was then better known as the host of a weekly boxing show on a Philadelphia black radio station. “It just needed to be developed.”

 

              Toward that end, Murray convinced Chambers and his father, Eddie Sr., to relocate to Philadelphia, where the fight scene is busier and the sparring would be more intense. It doesn’t take long for the pretenders to be separated from the possible contenders in those legendary Philly gym wars. Thus began Chambers’ extended apprenticeship at the Blue Horizon, the musty sweat shop on North Broad Street where any number of Philadelphia’s more prominent practicioners of the pugilistic arts have refined their craft. His first of 18 appearances there, on May 24, 2002, was a rematch with Chappell, whom Chambers again dispatched on a unanimous, six-round decision to boost his record to 9-0.

 

              Chambers didn’t move up to main-event status until April 25, 2003, when, only 21 and in his fifth bout at the Blue Horizon, he stopped journeyman CraigTomlinson in four rounds. Murray – who picked up tricks of the trainer’s trade from such legendary Philadelphia cornermen as Yank Durham and Sam Solomon, and used that knowledge to great advantage in his associations with Steve Little and Will “Stretch” Taylor was serving only as the manager then, with Chambers’ father continuing to serve as chief second.

 

              The quality of Chambers’ opposition increased incrementally, from Sam Tillman, Cornelius Ellis and Marcus Rhode to Melvin Foster, Ross Puritty and Ed Mahone to Dominick Guinn and Derric Rossy. Chambers’ first fight for Goossen Tutor came on May 4, 2007, a unanimous, 10-round decision over onetime contender Dominick Guinn at the Palms in Las Vegas. He followed that with a split decision over 2000 U.S. Olympian Calvin Brock in Tacoma, Wash., earning him a date in an IBF heavyweight eliminator against massive Russian Alexander Povetkin in Berlin. But, after a promising beginning, Chambers tailed off in the middle and later rounds and lost a unanimous, 12-round decision.

 

              That who had already written off Chambers as too small, too light and too underpowered to make much headway in a heavyweight division dominated by enormous Eastern Europeans considered his loss to Povetkin as indisputable proof that their skepticism had been justified. But you know what they say: sometimes you have to take a step backward before you can take two forward. Eddie Chambers Sr. was replaced as his son’s lead trainer after the Povetkin debacle, Murray assuming the dual duties of manager and trainer. “Eddie was prepared for a fight, but not the fight,” Murray said of his charge’s curious failure to recognize that not all bouts are or should be considered equal.

 

              The tweaking of Eddie Chambers continues. He is now 5-0 on the comeback trail since Povetkin, including what surely what was his farewell to the Blue Horizon, a fifth-round stoppage of Livan Castillo on Oct. 3, 2008. Upon the conclusion of that valedictory, someone should have given him some kind of diploma to commemorate the occasion.

 

              Although Chambers was 223 pounds – the second-highest of his career -- for his previous bout, a 10-round majority decision over former WBC heavyweight champion Samuel Peter, he and Murray concluded that being bigger and stronger doesn’t necessarily mean better.

 

              “The extra weight just made me slower,” Chambers said after he turned Dimitrenko into an oversized heavy bag. “After the Peter fight, I took off 10 pounds in a week and a half. It came off easy. I vowed that I’d never get up over 215 again, even between fights.

 

              “Keeping my weight down will help me stay effective. I was sharper. I was faster. My movement was much better. I didn’t have a jiggly midsection. It makes all the difference. I was able to get on my toes and stay on my toes. I had more energy throughout the fight. I like the way my new body feels. I like the way it looks, too.”

 

              If Dimitrenko was expecting to see the Chambers who fought at the same leisurely pace he did against Povetkin, he had to be sorely disappointed. Chambers officially was credited with two knockdowns. On the first, referee Geno Rodriguez gave Dimitrekno a standing eight-count in the seventh round when Dimitrenko doubled over in pain from a left hook to the body. The Ukrainian claimed his distress was the result of a low blow, but Rodriguez ruled the punch was legal.

 

              Then, in the 10th round, Chambers sent Dimitrenko crashing to the canvas, dislodging his mouthpiece in the process, with a hook to the jaw.

 

              The decision for Chambers should have been a given, but British judge Paul Thomas, ignoring the obvious, submitted a scorecard that read 113-113. His colleagues, GlennFeldman and Fernando Laguna, ensured that justice was done by turning in cards that had Chambers rolling by margins of 117-109 and 116-111, respectively.

 

              “I don’t speak German, but I knew something was wrong when people started booing,” Chambers said of the audience reaction when Thomas’ score was announced. “After the sixth or seventh round, I had won over the crowd. When the people booed, I knew something bad had happened. I have to say, I was worried.”

 

              Ironically, Chambers was hooted by the pro-Dimitrenko turnout as he made his way to the ring at Hamburg’s Color Line Arena. That he swayed so many spectators made for a scene right out of 1985’s Rocky IV.

 

              “All that was missing were Sylvester Stallone and an American flag to drape around my shoulders,” Chambers said. “Sascha even looks a little like Dolph Lundgren (who played Ivan Drago in Rocky IV).”

 

              So, again, is Chambers a rugged enough runt to whittle down the 6-6¾, 245-pound Wladimir Klitschko? If you believe that mystery guest must be possessed of one-punch putaway power, probably not. When Chambers wins inside the distance, it’s usually the result of accumulated damage.

 

              For Klitschko, I’ll have fight plans ready to counter two people – Klitschko and Emanuel Steward (Klitschko’s Hall of Fame trainer),” Murray said, the wheels already whirling inside his mind. “Look, I know what some people have said about Eddie, are still saying about him. He’s just a Blue Horizon fighter, a club fighter. He’s supposedly too short, too light, can’t punch. Hey, a lot of people said some of the same things about Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey. They weren’t real big guys, but they could fight. This kid can fight.”

 

              And if Chambers can do more giant-slaying while remaining taut and trim, the benefits could extend even beyond a bejeweled championship belt.

 

              “No more `Fat Eddie,’” he said. “I’m `Fast Eddie’ again, and I’m going to stay that way. Who knows? Maybe I can get an underwear commercial out of this.”

 

             

               

             

               

             

               

                              

             

 

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AFN bandwagon or apple cart?:  Amazing isn't it, how one untelevised (in the US) fight can turn a man around. A few months or even days ago, Fast Eddie was just another podgy contender, who most believed was not worthy of even 'Next American Hope' status. Now look at us (you) all. Eddie is 'The Man', ready to bring pride and the heavyweight title, back to the place where it belongs, the good old US of A. Eddie did look fast, sharp, and got inside easily. Unfortunately he wasn't doing all this against Wlad or Vitali, it was against Dimitrenko, 6'7" but as we all know, big doesn't always equal good. So let's all take a deep breath, calm down, and think straight, before this runaway bandwagon becomes an (upset) apple cart. TOONOY YA BAS
Monday Jul 6, 2009 09:45:28 AM
Frank Z:  no underwear commercials please, espn the magazine covers and SI covers hopefully though. i've said so before, that american heavys just have to show that they somewhat care, keep from getting fat, and sharpen their skillset a little by little from fight to fight and they get a straight shot at the Klitschkos. maybe a fight between eddie and david haye eventually too? that'd be entertaining too.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 09:53:52 AM
Robert McNamara, former Defense Secretary during Viet Nam, is dead :  "Fast" Eddie Felson...uh...Chambers (The Hustler with Paul Newman) is the real deal. I watched the fight on the internet and this guy looked good. It was nice to see an American heavyweight pound out a lopsided decision victory against another of these Eastern Bloc steroid plodders. He also beat a shell-of-himself Sam Peter, who's become a Versus level fighter. He's too small for either Klitschko though. At 208, it's just not enough. He should crash the cruiserweight dance, though there's no dough there. Haye wouldn't fight Chambers if his life depended on it.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 10:06:51 AM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":  We must not overlook Chambers' size, remember that Holyfield was an undersized heavyweight. Many thought Evander best suited as a cruiserweight and wouldn't have sucess moving up in weight. Chambers is slightly better in skills compared to Holyfield though I'd still pick Evander over Eddie any day. In boxing, size is not always a good thing, and I say he's ready for the Klitschkos.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 11:47:46 AM
ultimoshogun:  Although Eddie looked impressive in his win I'm not aboard the Chambers bandwagon. Like I said in the other article, he won't be smiling when he gets blasted with a Klitschko right hand and I'm not convinced he can hurt the Klitschko's either. For now I think Arreola's the top American HW. One HW prospect that has me excited is Tor Hamer, the 2008 golden gloves SHW champion. I saw him on FNF earlier this year and think he has alot of upside. He also has a fan friendly agressive style.. he fights to win and finish his opponents.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 12:05:53 PM
brownsugar:  Jimmy YOung thrived on bigger,.. stronger,.. more powerful opponents,.. I think that in some perverse way, Chambers does too.. when he first started talking about fighting Klits.,.. I thought he was losing his mental faculties,.. but Eddie does have the rare skill that guys like Pernnell Whitacker had,.. he can see punches coming and react in a fraction of a second,.. and he can do it reliably over 12 rounds,.He's not like Paul Williams,... who moves his upper torso like a BOBBLE head,.. and "just gives the illusion that he's slipping punches" ...Eddie can truly see them and react (and he does it on purpose),... didn't say he never gets hit,.. but that he drastically reduces his chance of taking damage,..also Eddie CaNNOT,.. put on ear muffs and stand in front of Klits while catching Wlads sledge hammer punches on his gloves,..or else he'd be blungeoned into a quick submission in only a couple rounds,..he'll have to move and Bait Wlad,.. a dangerous game,..but not as dangerous for Eddie as it would be for most other boxers...(if Wlad doesn't take the bait,.. then he has to move on to an even more dangerous plan) Eddie is better than Byrd,.. and has more pop,... he's like the reincarnation of Jimmy Young,.. with the proper motivation and focus in training,.. I think he'll surprise a lot of people,... I'm not calling a winner,.... just saying it's a possibility that he has even more ablility than he's already shown,.. stranger things have happened in boxing... you can bet Wlad and Stewart won't sleep on him,.. Wlad will come as prepared as he can possibly be,.. but how many permutations can you put on a jab, punch, clinch, or straight arm arsenal?? it's going to be interesting..
Monday Jul 6, 2009 12:21:32 PM
brownsugar:  I hate to put Wlad in the role of bad guy,... as classy and humble as he is,.. but coudn't they promote Klitscho vs Chambers as "David vs Goliath"???,..just a suggestion...
Monday Jul 6, 2009 01:08:54 PM
Real Talk eating Oodles of Noodles:  Gimme more good fights !!!! Holaa back
Monday Jul 6, 2009 01:10:19 PM
Arguello, Vecchione, Fawcett, Jackson, Mayes, McNair, McNamara, Carradine, McMahon, et al RIP:  Chambers would have a better chance at beating Wlad than Vitali, though he'd be a decided underdog against either. Can't see him beating a Klitschko. Maybe Valuev, but not the K's.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 01:17:58 PM
donputo69 R.I.P MCNAIR:  zzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ......wake me up when cotto vs pacquiao is official....WARD IS A BUM...holla back!!!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 01:31:17 PM
donputo69 R.I.P MCNAIR:  zzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ......wake me up when cotto vs pacquiao is official....WARD IS A BUM...holla back!!!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 01:31:19 PM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Whaddup Don!? You a bit harsh on Ward there, the guy has got skills and he can bang with them guys. Atleast he not like Scareweather who chooses to pick on weak opponents. But hell they laggin on the Pac-Cotto fight man, what's the hold up? I hope my boy it aint having second thoughts, what I'm I saying he aint never duck nobody! Payce.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 03:47:01 PM
MisterLee:  Yo don! you be hating! did you even watch the miranda fight? Bad Left Hook editor Scott Christ declared ward was the most effective and fluent in switching from orthodox to southpaw than any boxer today! And that site bashes Ward regularly! Also, why is froch "eyeing Dirrell" when WARD is the no.1 contender and beat miranda, vs. dirrell's victory over finley (who ward knocked out earlier in his career). Dirrell is NO. 2!!! Froch wants to get spoon fed an up and coming prospect with great speed and athletiicism but limited technical abilities and having never been taken in deep with spotty defense. Ward will knock that bum around, and if the time is right, knock him out! Tss rules!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 06:28:10 PM
MisterLee:  @ Real Talk: lovin' that ramen eh? ever crack an egg in those boiling noodles? Good stuff!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 06:28:57 PM
donputo69 R.I.P MCNAIR:  hahahaha....yo pacfan.....i hope your boy doesnt chicken out and do a scareweather move...lol...if this fight is cancelled, the reason will be either pacquiao will not be able to fight @147 or maybe he will recognize that cotto is for real...thats just my opinion...lol...alright....all jokes aside...this is gonna come down to a catchweight....pacquiao wont go up to 147 and cotto wont go down to 143...thats what is gonna come down to...@MisterLee....WARD IS NOT A BUM...i think hes OVERRATED...miranda is washed up...and you feel proud that andre"OVERRATED"ward?....wow....when he fights dawson or maybe pavlik, and if he can beat both of them, then i will give him his props....but for now, the don says hes a bum...ooops....my bad....OVERRATED....lol...holla back!!!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 07:20:41 PM
brownsugar:  Ward is going to a champ soon,.. and he will defend it like a legend,..But Dirrell is being tossed into the woodchipper,.. rather early in his career,.. I will pray for him,.... Ward is very similar to Eddie Chambers,.. both guys are so technically sound,.. they don't have to go into fights,.. angry,.. talking trash,.. or trying to manufacture hate against their opponents,.. when Eddie and Ward get in the ring it's like work,.. they already know they can rely on their technical skills... the confidence,.. calm and professionalism of these guys insures neither of them never have to EVER get into the ring SCARED,.... which is one of the most powerful tools a fighter can have,... Guys that rely on power like David Haye are so wound up in a fight,.. if they don't get a KO early,.. they're exhausted by the middle rounds because of the stamina depleting "Fear of getting hit",.. stresses them out,.. Wlad wins most of his fights before he even enters the ring,..because thier opponents take one look at him and cower in fear,....afraid to take risks,....Tyson used to terrorize the same way,.. untill Holyfield showed the way,... get a fighter who is confident and relaxed(like Ward or Chambers),.. and the outcome changes...
Monday Jul 6, 2009 08:18:40 PM
brownsugar:  correction: Ward is going to be a champ soon,.. Chambers eventually
Monday Jul 6, 2009 08:24:34 PM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Yo Don, since you're prolly the biggest Cotto fan on here how does a fight @ 145 sound? Come on be honest spill out the excuses now because I don't want to hear them later. For me, I wish the fight would be 147 but 145 is pretty reasonable and it's only a pound under his last weigh in in his previous bout. If this matchup does not happen it's not Pac it's those bastards in his entorauge that suck the greens out of his pockets. I wished Pac would voice his own opinions rather than get brainwashed with garbage. Great points brownsugar regarding Vlad psyching out his opponents. @MMLee, sh*t I thought I was the only one who tossed an egg onto my boiling noodles(Marachun).
Monday Jul 6, 2009 08:40:28 PM
donputo69 R.I.P MCNAIR:  me with excuses?...NEVA...im a man of my words...anyway..how about 146?...come on pacquiao...take that....i dont wanna hear no excuses from the so called P4P fighter...i was playing fight night round 4 and cotto beat the living lights out of pacquiao in round 5...it was ugly....3 left hooks to the body counted by a devestating right to the chin....goodnite irene....holla back!!!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 08:56:18 PM
Fe'Roz :  Nice to see you all back and talking about the fight of the year: Cotto and Pacquiao. I'm hearing Shane has given up his effort to fight MP and cleared the way for Manny and Miquel to sign for November. Personally, I'm taking the same position of Cotto fighting the smaller Manny as I am PBF fighting JMM. Both of the latter are true welters . Both have the same natural advantage. Catchweights be damned. If you sign to fight....then fight. No excuses...either way. Freddie and Manny know the odds of fighting Miguel and vica versa. Same with JMM and Floyd. These are great fighters and the name of the game is Big Money prize fighting. My position....stated many times...is that Cotto and Floyd should be treated the same. Both have chosen and are fighting smaller men. It's a fact. Whether they should be respected or criticized for taking on two great but smaller fighters is your decision. Either way, you can't compliment one and criticize the other. As for JMM and Manny, they have to be given props for fighting two of the best fighters in a weight class well above their own. But that is where the respect ends and the fight begins. This is their choice. They made these fights. Catchweights are strictly a matter of negotiation. If Cotto and his people have a problem, they should back out now. If Manny has a problem, then he shouldn't take the fight. But once they do.....excuses are history. I am hearing JMM and Barinstein are ready to give up speed to get bigger and stronger. They believe they can beat Floyd. They have chosen to fight him. If Floyd has a problem dropping a few extra pounds.....then he should fight another opponent. All that said, I think Manny hurts Cotto early...but MC's toughness and character make this the FOTY. As for JMM and PBF (no longer 'money), Floyd will (a) knock him down and (b) win a one-sided but well contested decision. Last point: The greater risk is actually being taken by the welters, Miquel and Floyd. If they lose to either smaller man, they lose big. Very Big.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 10:23:03 PM
brownsugar:  .....Duran fought and won championships from light weight to middleweights,.. .. never once was there ever any discussion about imposing the handicapping practice of catchweights,.. But Cotto and company is on the way to giving in to a 65 -35% purse split,.. a 2lb reduction in weight (which will prove crucial),.. and the title belt,.. if Cotto's team gives all this away,.. he's getting played like a hooker looking for tricks at the unemployment office,...(fight for the welterweight title and not the Catchweight title),.. does this mean that if Pac wins the title,.. his opponents have to come in a 145???? to win the welterweight belt???.... Manny will eat Cotto alive at 145lbs,.........at 147,.. Cottos' got a boxer-punchers chance...bedtime,.. peace out...
Monday Jul 6, 2009 11:31:58 PM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":  Come on Don take it out of Amateur mode and put it in Championship mode. I play that sht on GOAT mode but it's pretty hard. Donaire is even on there crazy. @Fe'roz and brownsugar great points! But the more and more I hear the disatisfication of the issue in weight the less I get excited about this fight. I hope the weight doesn't take the glory out of each fighters' victory. Cotto must be above 158lbs atleast fight night or he's dead meat and we'll hear the same tone from the Dela Hoya fight.
Tuesday Jul 7, 2009 12:58:42 AM
ali @ brownsugar:  Your right when Duran was moving up he never ask for a catch weight. Roy Jones was the man when he moved up to heavyweight and he did'nt as Ruiz for a catchweight. I know Pac started at 106 but if you want to fight welterweights fight em at the 147 limit Freddie Roach needs to stop doing this cause it make the Cotto fans have a built in excuse.
Tuesday Jul 7, 2009 08:52:51 AM
brownsugar:  funny thing about it Ali,.. is that Arum said Cotto had no choice but to swallow the deal he's being given,.. and do it with a smile on his face...hopefully Cotto will realize he's still got some swag left and flex his options a bit...
Tuesday Jul 7, 2009 03:01:15 PM
brownsugar:  well this WAS a heavyweight thread,.. so here's some quick news,.. two more top heavyweights( at least tops for Americans) are going against the grain and fighting each other while both are considered to be approaching thier prime,.. two men enter,.. one man leave,... Odlandier Solis vs Kevin Johnson,... aug 15th,.. unfortunately I believe it's sposed to be on Pinoy PPV,.. but it's a serious crossroads fight for 2 confident contenders...
Tuesday Jul 7, 2009 03:40:54 PM
ali @ brownsugar:  Yeah I like Johnson if he can get pass Solis I think he can land a fight with a top ten heavyweight. It won't be easy cause Solis can punch and has a very good amerture boxing background. I know one thing they bet not put it on PPV friday night fights or verus should pick this up I think its going to be a good fight.
Tuesday Jul 7, 2009 04:53:02 PM
Fe'Roz :  Brownsugar is right. This WAS a heavyweight thread....but the excitement of Eddie Chambers beating another over-sized thumper has lead us back to more fertile grounds of Cotto vs Pacquiao. I never heard the details or read the contracts of past fights so I can't comment accurately...but my position is still the same on Manny and Miquel. No excuses. The little man has the leverage....now. If Cotto wants to fight someone his own size....that's his option. No one is forcing him to accept 35% of a the fortune that will be the biggest gate to date. He is free to fight Floyd, PW, Mosely....or any other contender. If he wants to fight Manny, he has little or no leverage. And please correct me if I'm wrong....but isn't the definition of a welterweight any fighter weighing between 140 and 147 lbs?
Tuesday Jul 7, 2009 05:04:12 PM
brownsugar:  Ali,.. this will be a huge test for the KINGPIN,.. but he chose this fight,.. so I expect him to be ready,.. everybody knows that Solis stopped Haye in the Olympic final,.. and even though his career has stalled a bit,.. and he's a bit heavy around the middle,.. Solis has assimilated the ancient boxing skills that Cubans are know for,.. and I agree,.. PPV sucks,.. but I'll buy it,.. I haven't had a real good look at Johnson,.. and this will be my chance,.. $5 dollars a week in the piggy bank till aug 15th should cover it...and a nasty letter to the promoters
Wednesday Jul 8, 2009 08:27:59 AM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz:  Fe'Roz,.. Welterweight is up to 147,.. not up to 145,.. Arum has as much as saidt,.. Cotto does what I tell him to do,.. these negotiated catchweights for title belts don't do anything but force a disadvantage on the bigger guy,.. the guys that come down in weight rarely win,.. Pac went up to 135 and earned a title,.. then 140,.. why cut corners now for the welterweight crown???, if he doesn't feel like he's big enough,.. just clean out the junior welters,....Duran and Henry Armstrong,.. even Floyd won it the correct way,.. at the full 147 limit,.. Yes,.. Pac and company does have the juice and the dollars to make things their way,.. and Cotto has long been known as a "Company Man",... never questioning his promoters intentions,.. but I hope he holds out on the weight limit issue,... once fighters go beyond a certain threshold,.. even if it's 8 ounces too light,.. they can eat all night and still not replace the vital biomass that was lost on a molecular level,.. energy is depleted on cellular level and takes weeks to renew,.. yes Cotto can do what he wants,.. but I hope that in the end he has more principle than that... otherwise it'll be another Pacman/Bumfight...
Wednesday Jul 8, 2009 08:45:04 AM
Fe'Roz:  So then what are we to make about Floyd fighting JMM at the catchweight of 144?
Wednesday Jul 8, 2009 10:42:40 PM

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Suits, Stop Squabbling, And Posturing, AND MAKE FIGHTS!
"Floyd may very well be the most talented boxer but that he does not understand that what the fans, who ultimately pay the bills, watch fights for is entertainment. At the moment, he not only ignores that reality but frankly doesn't seem to care. Neither about our wishes and/or our passion for to see great fights. Thus, there is little Go ... and even less Show. I am vaguely interested in the Business of Boxing. Frankly, it is a mess on a good day and worse on it's worst. I prefer reading the Business pages where brilliant men and women develop skills and strategies to create incredible value and wealth (for themselves and others) in ways far more effectively and meaningfully than those who Rule ...some might say Ruin...this beautiful Sport." --FE'ROZ, speaking for a majority of fight fans

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Manny Pacquiao v. Miguel Cotto
Fight aficionados, tune in for live, round by round coverage of the Manny Pacquiao v. Miguel Cotto welterweight championship on Saturday, November 14th beginning at 9 pm ET / 6 pm PT.

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