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Alexis Arguello: A Certified All-Time Great
By Frank Lotierzo
With the recent passing of former featherweight, junior lightweight and lightweight champ Alexis Arguello, it's the right time to examine and detail exactly what certifies him as being one of boxing's all-time great pound-for-pound champions and fighters.
There are basically only two ways to judge a fighter's true greatness. The truly great fighters like Alexis Arguello measure at the top in both. The first being the level of opposition the fighter in question faced and defeated, and the second is what he brought to the ring and could do as a fighter. A great skill-set obviously is imperative but not the be all-end all. There's been an overload of fighters who possessed a great skill-set that aren't close to or ever will be considered all-time greats.
With the exception of former heavyweight champion Joe Louis and former welterweight champ Donald Curry, Alexis Arguello is the most faultless fighter I ever saw. They were textbook boxers who were technically proficent in all that they did. He was also rare in that he had legitimate knockout power in three different punches, his right cross and his left-hook and his uppercut. Many of his opponents' faces looked as though they'd gone through a meat grinder after only being touched by him a few times.
Arguello was a boxer-puncher who liked to push the fight. Alexis was the prototype boxer-puncher, and at 5'10", he was exceptionally tall for a fighter who weighed under 140 pounds. As a fighter he exhibited tremendous fundamentals and basics. Like a little Joe Louis, he threw straight punches while always keeping his chin down and his hands up with his elbows in tight. Arguello was also economical with his punch output and seldom threw wild punches or wasted many of them. And once he let his hands go they usually found their target.
One difference between Louis, Curry and Arguello was Alexis's hook and uppercut had a more looping arc to them. Like Louis, Alexis also had dynamite in both hands and was dangerous inside and outside. Arguello fought a somewhat pressure style and was the epitome of being an effective aggressor. He didn't pressure his opponents like a Frazier or Duran, it was more a subtle type pressure like Louis.
Another thing Arguello shared with Louis was that they were vulnerable versus fighters who had fast feet. That's not saying they couldn't beat fighters with good movement. I'm simply clarifying that fighters who moved against him usually fared the best and went a little deeper into the fight. Fighters who brought the fight to Arguello are the ones who he defeated in the most devastating fashion. Stepping to Arguello was suicide and left his opponents in perfect range to get nailed at the end of his straight punches on the way in. He never lost to a single fighter who took the fight to him from bell-to-bell. Aaron Pryor didn't even pressure him with regularity and fought aggressively only in spurts.
Alexis Arguello had a great chin and was never really hurt until he fought Aaron Pryor at junior welterweight. Pryor was a beast physically and punched like a strong welterweight. During his title reign Arguello could fight at any pace and his stamina was never an issue, as evidenced by his two wars with Pryor where both fighters fought at a non-stop pace for 14 and 10 rounds.
Alexis Arguello lost his pro debut at age 16 but would go on to win world titles in three separate weight divisions. After running off 40 straight wins he challenged WBA featherweight champ Ernest Marcel and lost a unanimous decision to the more experienced Marcel. Soon after beating Arguello, Marcel retired and the hard punching Mexican Ruben Olivares won Marcel's vacated title.
On November 23, 1974 in his first fight in the United States, Arguello won the WBA featherweight title with a 13th round knockout of Ruben Olivares. After making four defenses of the featherweight title, Arguello relinquished it. In his fifth fight at junior lightweight he fought WBC champ Alfredo Escalera. Arguello stopped Escalera in 13 brutal rounds to capture the title. After making three defenses of the title, Arguello fought Escalera again and stopped him in the 13th round.
Alfredo Escalera was an outstanding fighter who had made 10 successful title defenses before facing Arguello. He was a clever boxer who threw slashing punches and combinations. Yet in two fights versus Arguello he never figured him out. In their rematch when Escalera tried to lay back and counter, Arguello beat him with the jab and busted his face up. When Escalera raised his hands Arguello administered a brutal body attack. After being pushed to the brink Escalera desperetely went after Arguello hoping to stabilize and hold him off. Once Arguello sensed Escalera's predictament, he stepped away and picked his shots, nearly butchering him as he attempted to press forward. When Escalera was just about slowed to a walk, Arguello set him up and stopped him with a beautiful left-hook that he threw off his lead jab.
In total Arguello would defend the junior lightweight title eight times, more than any other title he held. And many respected boxing historians consider Arguello the greatest junior lightweight in boxing history, something endorsed by this author. The list of fighters he defeated reads like a who's who list of outstanding fighters -- the likes of Alfredo Escalera, Ruben Castillo, and future titleholders Bobby Chacon, Bazooka Limon and Rolando Navarette. In October of 1980, Arguello vacated the WBC junior lightweight title.
Eight months later he decisioned WBC lightweight champ Jim Watt to win his third title. Prior to fighting Arguello, Watt defeated Howard Davis Jr. and Sean O'Grady in title defenses, fighters who were a combined 86-1. After being soundly defeated by Arguello, Jim Watt retired from boxing and never fought again. In his first defense, Arguello stopped undefeated top contender Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini in the 14th round.
In his fight versus Mancini, Arguello fought like a a surgeon. Mancini was an attacking swarmer who had an upper body like a middleweight and threw 100 punches around. Ray's game plan was to jump on Arguello and overwhelm him physically. The problem was Arguello made him pay in a big way for attempting to get inside and work him over. Arguello's tight defense and sound basics enabled him to disrupt and block a lot of Mancini's big left-hooks and right hands. Arguello's straight left jabs and right crosses nailed Mancini repeatedly on the way in. Despite being very tough and determined, Mancini was slowed by Arguello's precision execution and by the 14th round didn't have much left to resist Arguello and succumbed after getting hit flush with perfectly placed and timed right hands.
After Mancini, Arguello made three more successful defenses of the lightweight title before vacating it, hoping to add a fourth title to his resume. On November 12, 1982, Arguello would attempt to win the junior welterweight title after fighting one time in his new division. His opponent was WBA junior welterweight champ Aaron Pryor, who was unquestionably the top 140-pound fighter in the world. Pryor should've been a two division champ at the least. Due to him being completely avoided during the infancy of his career fighting as a lightweight, he moved up to junior welterweight and challenged the great Antonio Cervantes for the WBA title.
On a beautiful night at the Orange Bowl in Miami, Pryor proved to be too much for Arguello. In a fight that ranks as one of history's best with both fighters dealing out a careers worth of punishment, Arguello couldn't overcome Pryor's speed and power and was stopped in the 14th round. Ten months later Arguello fought Pryor again and the rematch proved to be a virtual rerun with Pryor stopping Arguello in the 10th round. After failing a second time to capture the junior welterweight title Arguello retired.
Had Arguello taken the easy route he could've challenged one of the other alphabet title holders and won the title. However, Arguello was a real fighter inside and out and wanted to defeat the best fighter fighting in the junior welterweight division, and that was Aaron Pryor. Not only was Pryor clearly the bigger man, he also had a style that would've given Arguello trouble during any point in his career. Arguello was a structured fighter. On the other hand Pryor was unpredictable and broke every boxing 101 rule in the book.
Add to that, Pryor was the bigger, stronger and faster fighter. His in and out, up and down herky-jerky movement befuddled fighters like Arguello who pretty much did things the way fighters are supposed to do them. Add to that, he didn't see where a lot of the big shots he was getting hit with were coming from, he'd never beat Aaron Pryor.
Arguello would come out of retirement twice after losing the rematch to Pryor, fighting four times and winning three comeback fights suffering a decision loss in his last bout. Arguello retired with a career record of 82-8 (65) and was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1992.
Ring magazine rated Alexis Arguello as the top junior lightweight of all time in its all-time divisional ratings and among the 20 best fighters of the last 80 years in 2002, and among the 20 best punchers of all time in 2003.
Alexis Arguello never lost any one of the three titles he held--and this was at a time when there were less titles--in the ring. He relinquished them and moved up to the next challenge. Based on the most important criteria a great fighter can be judged on, quality of opposition met and defeated along with his overall ability to fight, Alexis Arguello is a certified all-time great and no-doubt one of the top pound-for-pound fighters in boxing history.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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Anony:
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GREAT ARTICLE... wrote with passion and knowledge. RIP Alexis.
Friday Jul 3, 2009 02:46:36 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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Great piece F-Lo! Arguello sure was a great talent, if your fights make it on the ESPN Classic then you must belong among the All Time Greats. Like many of the great legends I adored his style of aggressiveness and the ability the fight on his toes. He did give a lot of fighters fits due to his style.
Friday Jul 3, 2009 02:56:00 PM
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MisterLee:
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dang F-lo writer. If you start getting so good, there will be an instability in the universe, and megan fox may then give birth to a black hole. it's tru! i read it on wikipedia!
Friday Jul 3, 2009 03:45:08 PM
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EQ:
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The world of boxing lost a great one. Great boxer inside the ring, great gentleman outside. RIP Alexis.
Friday Jul 3, 2009 07:43:21 PM
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Real Talk :
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Another great piece F-Lo . Yous on fire !!!! Very knowledgable . I said to my self Arguello didn't seem like the Explosive Thinman to me , more like the Smooth Operator . His technique and fundamentals were textbook , an I only saw 3 of his fights so far but I watched them a lot . From what I'm reading and learning I would agree he is one of the Greatest of All Times . With a record like that , and you aint fighting bums and padding your record . Then on top of that he didn't duck any wreck . What a loss for boxing , and what a great contribution from this man to The Sweet Science . Is it anybody fighting now as good as Alexis ? A class act like this guy , and fearless an alomst flawless in his skillset ? I'm searching my mental roledex and drawing a blank . Now I see what Don Puto 69 means when he says such and such is good , ....... not great . I thought of Trinidad when I was reading your piece . A different style fighter I know , but that's who popped up . Bernard Hopkins is great , but I don't know if anybody fighting now is greater than Alexis Arguello with a record of 82-8 (65) KO !!!!! Wow ..............Dueces
Friday Jul 3, 2009 08:21:07 PM
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MisterLee:
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Tho ihaen't seen a whole lot of Arguello, isn't robert guerrero a bit like arg? long arms, thin, a good boxer, with lots of power? Pc!
Friday Jul 3, 2009 08:42:56 PM
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the Roast:
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@ Real Talk, great post. 82-8 record speaks of a bygone era. Arguello's punches flowed as if he was one step ahead of his opponent.@ MisterLee, check out youtube. Alot of great stuff there. Guerrero in his dreams on his best day still does not come close to Arguello. Alexis was always coming forward, with wreaking ball hooks and over hand rights. Go to youtube, Boza-Edwards and Olivares were my favorites from my own Arguellofest. Tell me, after seeing some of the shots Pryor took, is there any doubt that there was something in that bottle," the one I mixed."
Friday Jul 3, 2009 10:12:57 PM
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MisterLee @ the Roast:
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Yo yo... thanks for the reccomendations. I'll look up some of them. I def. seen the fights part 1 & 2. pretty crazy stuff, or was it just the legendary nights or both? Pryor went down a few times right? and he got as russell peters said "got a read bad hurt". also the japansese guy that pryor somersaulted, he was COMPLETELY punched out in round 4 or 5, and he caem back in the 6th like it was round 1 sparring session. crazy. but yean, i don't use youtube as often, all about video trading block on boxingscene. can downloadn watch in good high qulaity. pc out!
Friday Jul 3, 2009 10:17:40 PM
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dr3r42:
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Not trashing Alexis, who I agree is probably the greatest 130 llber of all time, but I think Sanchez beats him at Featherweight. Alexis would bring the fight to Sanchez and I think Sanchez will counter him. Yes, Alexis could hit, but no featherweight's going to crack Sanchez's chin. I thought Alexis was outboxed by Olivaras before he got greedy. Thing is, that even though I'd favor Sanchez at 126, I doubt if he'd have had as good of a career at 130 or 135 than Alexis had. Alexis was bigger. Man, the 1980's were tough- unless I am viewing the 1980's through rose-colored glasses
Friday Jul 3, 2009 10:34:05 PM
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dr3r42:
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As far as the black bottle: I agree with ex-fight manager Charles Farrell who said if there ever was a "magic potion" that could bring exhausted fighters back to being fresh in a matter of 30 seconds then EVERY trainer in probably every sport would have it (marathon runners). I don't think stimulants or amphetimines are going to do much for an exhausted athlete- at least not in 30 seconds (maybe Lewis BS'ed Pryor into thinking that he was getting a boost). Like Farrell said, Pryor won because he was bigger and stronger than Alexis, especially at 140. He just wore him down, caught him and finished him- great fight between two ATG's
Friday Jul 3, 2009 10:42:29 PM
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brownsugar:
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Watching Arguello was like watching a game of chess,.. if he sacrificed a pawn,... then he took your knight,.. if you took his queen,.. Arguello's next move was checkmate,.. he was so relaxed and business like against Mancini,.. I could have sworn I saw his trainer lightup a Newport for him in the corner,.. I think he carried Mancini out of sympathy,.. like a basketball player who plays a game of 21 against his buddies at the local court,.. but only beats them by 3 or 4 points,.. Aaron Pryor was like that guy who wore the mask in Halloween,.. when Cervantes knocked him down,...Aaron rolled backward onto his feet like a gymnast,.. then extended his clenched fist toward Cervantes to signify "HAWK TIME",.. Aaron then lept on Cervante's like a fiending addict attacking an Old Lady for her purse,..Both Argullo and Pryor were like Ali and Frazier,.. can't mention one without the other,.. always giving their best.. (against the best),... When Arguello punched his time card and went to work,... You always know you were going to see a masterpiece...
Friday Jul 3, 2009 10:42:43 PM
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brownsugar:
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dr3r42 that's how I see it too,.. nobody could put amphetamines,.. or any other kind of stimulant into their body,.. when the heart is already racing near it's bursting point,.. it would have caused an immediate cardiac arrest.. at worst,.. or destroyed the fighters ability to think,..focus,.. and respond,.. at the very least,..
Friday Jul 3, 2009 10:57:40 PM
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the Roast:
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@ brownsugar, I got I word for you, COCAINE! The affect of cocaine is immediate. It was the 80's and that white stuff was flowing freely. Pryor had a history with it. Alexis Arguello fought alot of great fighters in his long and storied career. Who did Pryor fight besides Alexis? Cervantes, yes but who else, nobody. Where did Pryor go after the two wins over Arguello? Down the tubes. I have no way to prove it but I will always think that that bottle," the one I mixed" was a key factor.
Friday Jul 3, 2009 11:56:19 PM
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#1 Pacfan "KO's Cotto in 7":
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@MMLee, Robert the Wuss Guerrero is not even close to being compared to the great Alexis Arguello. You could have atleast said Jorge Linarez for comparison but like the gang said, there's no fighter of today you can compare Arguello with.
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 01:05:05 AM
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brownsugar:
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Roast,.. COKE is even more dangerous to the human body than amphetamines,.. he'd have to inject it,... even then,.. it still wouldn't help him fight any better,.he would have been too spooked,..(more than likely would have needed to have gone to the emergency room after the fight).. look at Pryors eyes after the fight,.. his pupils are not dialated,. and there's nothing about his mannerisms,.. body language or speech that even remotely resembles a man on any kind of dope,.. Arguello also had a problem with the white stuff,........NO,.. he didn't have any car accidents running from police,. or sleep under overpasses,.. but he was hooked,... Regarding Aaron Pryor,.. he was avoided like a plague,.. even Tommy Hearns,... who Aaron beat in the amatuers,.. refused Aarons challenge in the Pro's,.. and Sugar Ray Leonard refused to entertain any thoughts about fighting Pryor,... even at 147 with no catchweight,..,..Aaron chased Sugar to a few press conferences in an attempt to make the fight,.. and Leonard Blew him off,.. Who did Pryor beat??,.. anybody they put in the ring with him,.. including the all time great Arguello,.. twice,....even quicker the second time,... and he would have beaten him 9 out of 10 times,... both men had their flaws and weren't much after their two epic battles,.. both battled substance abuse,...and their lives went spiralling to the depths of hell after they fought,.. but they will each be remembered for their 2epic fights,...that serves as some of the most earth shaking battles boxing,.. Alexis and Pryor are both eternally linked ,.. and remained fast friends up untill Arguello breathed his last tragic breath...
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 05:22:17 AM
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the Roast:
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Brownsugar, you make many excellent points but as far as the coke goes, they could easily mixed it with water for a simular effect. You dont inject coke you snort it. Since that would have been a little obvious, they could have mixed it with water for a short term boost. We're not talking about running a marathon. The Roast has had some run ins with the white stuff. Havent touched it for about ten years. I'm not trying to tear down Aaron Pryor. I enjoyed his fights. The difference between the two is how much they got out of their talents. By the time Arguello fought Pryor at the Orange Bowl, he was near the end of the road while Pryor was at his peak. As for Leonard and Hearns, If I remember right in '82-'83 Hearns had moved up to jr. middle and middle while Leonard was out of action with a detatched retina. I think it was just bad timing. Hard for me to imagine SRL or Hearns being afraid of anyone or not wanting to make millions of dollars fighting the Hawk. Pryor should have moved up to welter and won those belts but he disapeared in the prime of his career. I agree, I will never be able to think of Arguello without thinking of Pryor and vise versa. Talk to ya later boxing brother.
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 09:34:22 AM
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brownsugar:
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Roast your not hearing me,...injecting coke is the only way to get an immediate response,.. and drinking coke while undergoing one of the most grueling activities in sports is like ingesting poison,.. Cocaine causes Blood vessels to constrict,.. reducing Oxygen flow to the brain and heart,..which is a prerequisite for having a stroke or a heart attack,........Have you boxed ?? are you aware of how fast the human heart beats when placed under the strain of a 15 round fight??,.. if you did you would have never made those comments,.. you should know that the psycological effects of coke make a person more prone to be a lover,.. than a fighter,.. and would surely blunt the mental focus of any athlete,.. in fact,.... has there EVER been a professional athlete that has experienced IMPROVED performance from ingesting cocaine in any form??? ,.. I think not,... but the record books are full of NFL players falling apart on the field and being released from their contracts early because they couldn't put the pipe down long enough to play a full 4 quarters of football drug free,(the athletes THOUGHT they were performing better, but in reality performed horribly).....finally you can google many instances of Aaron challenging both Hearns and Leonard...(just google Aaron vs Leonard),.. or watch it on YOUTUBE,.. neither wanted any parts of him and conveniently swept the challenge under the rug,.. personally I thought he was too small,.. But Emmanual Stewart was not letting Hearns get anywhere near Pryor after watching him ravage Hearns in the amateurs...,.. dispite a huge size advantage,..Aaron was the original most feared man in boxing,... what was Arguellos excuse in the rematch??? ..over the hill in 10 months?? anyway there's a tons of pages of the debate all over the internet on this subject,.. and that's my contribution,.. peace..
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 11:01:08 AM
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MisterLee:
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What about LSD?
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 11:11:33 AM
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brownsugar:
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there are many theories,...lsd takes at least 30minuts to take hold ,.. some say it was,... peyote mushroom sauce,.. Grandma's Herbal Voodoo potion,... the towel that Lewis was holding had smelling salts applied to it,.. honey and tanguray and water,..rum and coke,.. crank,.. a placebo,.. meth,.. chinese kung-fu lotus blossoms,... gensing tea,... but after sifting thru many archives and news reports,.. there was no post fight tests,.. a post fight test would have had to have been applied to both boxers,.. and Arguello supposedly declined,.. saying he was satisfied that Pryor fought a fair fight,...
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 11:34:18 AM
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the Roast:
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@brownsugar, Yes, I have boxed, and done coke. Not at the same time of course. I would say the effects of coke are debateable. Everyone is different. What about the '86 Mets? Those guys were all jacked up. I think Arguello achieved more in the ring. Won more belts, beat better fighters. The first fight ruined Alexis. The second fight was'nt even competive. Where did Pryor go after the second fight? His drug problem derailed his career. He was stopped by the less than legendary Bobby Joe Young. Panama Lewis had a history of cheating. Pryor had a history with cocaine. Something had to be in that mixed bottle. Maybe not coke, but something.
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 02:39:19 PM
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Real Talk @ the Roast:
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Good look with the shotout on my post , that came from the heart .Your post was good too . @ Misterlee , The Roast answered your question perfectly . Alexis would've never wanted to stop the fight when he got cut , but like the Roast said that's a bygone era . @ brownsugar , you hit it on the head when you said Arguello was playing chess in there . @ dr3r42 , Sanchez vs. Arguello would've been one of the greatest , I have no doubt about it . Sanchez was the truth , but so was Arguello . @ #1 Pacfan , what it do ? Happy 4th of July TSS Alum !!!!! Dueces
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 03:39:29 PM
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Roast ,.. thanks for the responses,.. I guess we'll have to put this one in the "Agree to disagree column",.. ,.. Real Talk,.. thanks for the comments,.. I'm pissed that I missed the Chambers / Dimitrenko fight,.. bummer,.. but I caught some highlights around the European Web sites,.. never thought that would happen,..RIP Arguello,.. a true embassador of the sport.
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 07:19:16 PM
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the Roast:
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Same to you Brownsugar. You are one of the most knowledgeable of all the Reg's. Dont get me wrong, I love Pryor and I would have loved to have seen him mix it up with Leonard or Hearns. I would pick SRL by stoppage but hey, what do I know. I picked Hatton over Pacman!!
Saturday Jul 4, 2009 09:28:06 PM
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brownsugar:
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Roast,.. but you probably would have right about that one....
Sunday Jul 5, 2009 03:59:00 AM
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RagingBull:
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Excellent aticle Frank!!! I still find it hard to believe that Alexis is no longer with us. Arguello was one of my favorite fighters. He absolutely, without question, was not only an all-time great, but also a class act as well. I was fortunate enough to meet him during one of is retirements back in 1988 when he worked as a host for the Sands Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City N.J. My brother-in-law and I attended the first fight between Orlando Canizales and Kelvin Seabrooks I (a young Micky Ward was on the undercard). After the fight, we met and talked with Alexis Arguello for about an hour. It was awesome. He was friendly and extremely courteous. He even tried to get us into an after fight VIP party that he was hosting but the Casino Honchos would not allow it. Boxing could most certainly use more representatives like him. The sport along with the rest of the world is going to miss him, I know that I will. R.I.P. Alexis.
Sunday Jul 5, 2009 11:05:05 AM
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Disagree with you on Leonard ducking Aarron Pryor. He sparred Pryor, before and knew he was bigger and hit harder, and so did Aarron. Pryor would have fought King Kong for the money he'd have gotten for fighting Leonard- so of course Aarron wanted him. You also have to look at the time line in 1981-1982. Pryor won the Jr Welterweight title about the same time that Leonard lost his title with Duran (and I believe the same day Hearns destroyed Cuavas). Obviously, a rematch with Duran was the fight everyone wanted. Then after the Duran farce, the public wanted a Thomas Hearns-Ray Leonard matchup- there was no demand for Pryor-Leanard (at least not on the level that Leonard-Hearns was on). Leonard beat Kalule (who was 36-0 and had a title), then he beat Hearns in the mega fight of the year in September 1981. That's when Pryor started showing up demanding a fight. Trouble was the fight everyone wanted was Leonard-Hagler. Leonard then rested and fought a tune up with Bruce Finch in Feb. 1982- he deserved a rest after fighting Benetiez, Duran (twice), Kalule, and Hearns in a two year span- all of whom had a combined record of 178-1-1 when they lost to Leonard. A month after his fight with Finch, Leonard had eye surgery on his detached retina,which led to his retirement in December 1982. Pryor didn't become a mega star until he beat Arguello in November 1982- while Leonard was recovering from eye surgery and thinking about retirement. So when was Leonard supposed to fight him ? Yeah, you can make the case that he ducked Pryor to fight Hearns- but I don't think so. Now had his eye recovered than I am sure he'd have fought Pryor in 1983 (Roger Stafford was next) before moving up to 154, because Leonard-Hagler, not Leonard-Pryor was the fight on everyone's minds after the Hearns fight.
Sunday Jul 5, 2009 03:34:32 PM
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Excellent aticle Frank!!! I still find it hard to believe that Alexis is no longer with us. Arguello was one of my favorite fighters. He absolutely, without question, was not only an all-time great, but also a class act as well. I was fortunate enough to meet him during one of is retirements back in 1988 when he worked as a host for the Sands Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City N.J. My brother-in-law and I attended the first fight between Orlando Canizales and Kelvin Seabrooks I (a young Micky Ward was on the undercard). After the fight, we met and talked with Alexis Arguello for about an hour. It was awesome. He was friendly and extremely courteous. He even tried to get us into an after fight VIP party that he was hosting but the Casino Honchos would not allow it. Boxing could most certainly use more representatives like him. The sport along with the rest of the world is going to miss him, I know that I will. R.I.P. Alexis.
Sunday Jul 5, 2009 05:04:50 PM
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BILL MAJOR:
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ANOTHER FINE STORY FRANK.LEONARD DID DUCK PRYOR.EVERYONE NEW IT.PRYOR WAS ANGRY FOR AWHILE BACK THEN I REMEMBER,FEELING THAT HE WAS BEING IGNORED BY DURAN,LEONARD HEARNS HAG ETC..
RAY WAS SMART I THINK. GOD THE GREAT FIGHTS I ENJOYED WITH ALEXIS.WHAT LEVERAGE HE HAD ON HIS SHOTS.HE IS AN EXAPMLE TO FOLLOW IN CLASS TO THESES GUYS TODAY ILL TELL YA.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 07:45:13 AM
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dr3r42:
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Again, WHEN was Leonard supposed to fight Pryor ? Instead of Hearns ? When he was recovering from eye surgery ? Easy to say "Leonard ducked Pryor and everyone new (sic) it" but a little harder to say when he was supposed to fight him. Unless you're trying to argue that his detached retina surgery in March 1982 was all a sham in order to get out of fighting Pryor.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 11:34:25 AM
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Barry:
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Another wonderful article, Frank!!!! You are one w/o doubt one of the all-time greats at the typewriter!
Agree wholeheartedly with dr3r42 with his comments on Leonard "ducking" Pryor.
In 1978, I was at the first Muhammad Ali -Leon Spinks fight. As you all know, Ali tried the rope-a-dope in the early rounds without success because Leon was just too busy and didn't have any stamina problems that Muhammad could exploit. Then Ali took rounds seven through twelve and was in control of the fight. I don’t think this was shown on TV, but at the end of the 12th round Leon didn't go immediately back to his corner, rather he started wandering aimlessly around the ring with a blank expression on his face. He seemed completely out of it, Ali had taken him out into the deep water and now he was a lost lamb ready for the slaughter.
But when Leon came out for the 13th, he fought like a man possessed. The complete reversal was astounding! Later, video revealed that Leon drank from a mysterious "Black Bottle" between the 12th and 13th round. Whatever was in that bottle, must have been fast acting because it had an immediate effect. I have always thought that without the benefit of that Black Bottle, Leon would have been kayoed in the three remaining rounds.
As it was, he fought with new passion and went on to win the title in a split decision. So yes, I think there are similarities between Leon Spinks’ use of the mysterious Black Bottle and Aaron Pryor’s use of “the one I mixed” bottle.
By the way, I don’t know if this is common knowledge or not, but there was a very small article in my local newspaper a few weeks after the fight that the Nevada Commission “punished” Leon for failing his post-fight drug test. The punishment? He was forbidden to defend his newly won World’s Heavyweight Championship in the state of Nevada for the next thirty days – talk about an insignificant punishment.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 01:33:46 PM
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dr3r42,.. just google Pryor vs Leonard,... you will gain access to reams of imformation,.. including videos of 2 press conferences where Pryor asked (very respectfully) Leonard for a chance at the WW title,.. Leonard laughed it off,.... probably due to the risk reward ratio,...Aaron also challenged Hearns and Stewart dismissed any possibility that the fight would ever happen,.....BARRY,... Ali had lost nearly every round of that fight,.. he wasn't in it at all and he no chance to win,.. .....Leon (along with the entire 76 Olympic team trained to be able to flurry in the late rounds,.. it was bred into everyone of them to finish strong),.. if Leon failed a post fight drug test,.. he would not have been allowed to kept the title(for any narcotic),.. unless it was for antihisthemines which causes a lot of false positives in drug tests....Ali and company would have cried to high heaven if anything significant was supposedly found....
Monday Jul 6, 2009 08:41:40 PM
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dr3r42:
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I never doubted that Pryor wanted to fight Leonard - everyone did since Leonard was the biggest pay day possible for a fighter. All I am saying is that when Leonard won the title back from Duran in November 1980, the mega fight of 1981 was going to be Leonard-Hearns- that's the fight everyone wanted to see (I went to see it on close circut). There was no demand for Leonard-Pryor in 1981; Pryor beat Cervantes and Gaeton Hart in 1980, and I remember him getting dropped by Dujan Johnson in a title fight in 1981- that no one cared about. After Leonard beat Hearns in one of the higest grossing non-heavyweight fights ever, then Pryor became a possible opponent. However, the big fight of 1982 was going to be Hagler-Leonard-that's the one the public wanted to see; why do you think Leonard had Hagler show up at the big press conference on whether Leonard was going to retire or return to the ring ? Because that was the fight on everyone's minds. I've asked time and time again- when was Leonard supposed to fight Pryor ? Instead of a rematch with Duran in 1980 ?- that doesn't make sense. Instead of Hearns in 1981 ?- that doesn't make sense. While he was recovering from eye surgery in 1982 ?
Monday Jul 6, 2009 10:43:30 PM
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Not Hip To The Hype
"Haye has said that without the hype, boxing is boring. This tells you something about him as a fighter and as a man. And maybe something about his low expectations of his own value as a fighter. Why isn't his skill good enough? Which audience is he trying to impress? When I watch fights, I watch the contest, the skill, the drama, the match-up. Screw the circus hype."---TSS reader Mortcola, giving thumbs down on David Haye and his pre-fight antics
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