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If Mayweather Is Smart, He'll Fight Pacquiao NOW
By Frank Lotierzo
This past Saturday two big events unfolded that will more than likely affect the boxing landscape in the junior welterweight and welterweight divisions for the remainder of 2009. The first being the Floyd Mayweather versus Juan Manuel Marquez bout to be fought at a catch-weight limit of 144 was postponed due to Mayweather suffering a rib injury during training last week. A few hours after the press release for that went out, Miguel Cotto scored a 12-round split decision victory over Joshua Clottey to retain his WBO welterweight.
Ever since Mayweather announced he was coming out of retirement 16 months after his last fight, a fews hours before Manny Pacquiao stopped Ricky Hatton in the second round to capture the IBO junior welterweight title, it's been widely accepted that a Pacquiao 49-3-2 (37 KOs) vs. Mayweather 39-0 (25 KOs) bout is the biggest fight in boxing. All Mayweather had to do was get past Marquez on July 18th. Assuming Mayweather got past Marquez all that would've remained to make the fight a reality were the fighters agreeing on the purse splits each would net from the fight. That no doubt would've been tougher than the fight they'd most likely deliver.
With both fighters being hell bent on a 60/40 split in their favor, it was hard to see either one conceding since both whole heartedly believe they're entitled to the bigger piece of the pie. And it's easy to see why they felt that way with Mayweather being undefeated and thought to have been the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing when he retired, a title Pacquiao has earned since Mayweather's contrived retirement. Not only has Pacquiao succeeded Mayweather as the top fighter in boxing at the moment, he's also the biggest draw in the sport, a claim that Floyd has never been able to support. Regardless whether someone is a Mayweather fan or so-called hater, that's the truth.
All one needs to do is ask themself what's a bigger fight -- Pacquiao vs. Cotto/Mosley/ Margarito or Mayweather vs. Cotto/Mosley/Margarito? The inescapable answer is it's Pacquiao who can deliver bigger PPV dollars fighting anyone of the other three, not Mayweather. And the reason for that is Pacquiao's fights are always exciting and action packed. Whereas Mayweather is more of a technician who takes the bullets out of his opponents’ guns instead of engaging them in a shoot out. Boxing fans enjoy seeing skilled fighters who are explosive more than they do skilled craftsmen. That's not Mayweather's fault it's just the way it is.
The truth is Pacquiao holds all the cards regarding the purse split. Add to that Miguel Cotto is now the leader in the fight Manny Pacquiao sweepstakes coupled with Mayweather's fight with Marquez not even rescheduled yet -- Floyd is beginning to lose bargaining chips that he never really held. Which I'm sure hasn't gone unnoticed by Pacquiao and his promoter Bob Arum. That's why we'll probably start to see the hype for Pacquiao-Cotto begin to escalate, with the intent being to bring Mayweather to his senses and agree to a 60/40 or possibly a 57/43 purse split.
With Arum controlling the money it's hard to fathom that he really wants Pacquiao tying up with Cotto or Mosley, at least before he fights Mayweather, for one obvious reason. That being there's too much guaranteed money to chance. Physically, Pacquiao is in much deeper water fighting Cotto or Mosley than he is Mayweather. That’s something that the avid Pacquiao faction might dispute, but then they'd probably see him as the favorite over anyone up to junior middleweight with the exception of Paul Williams.
That said, Cotto and Mosley have a much better chance of beating up and embarrassing Pacquiao than Mayweather does. In a fight with Cotto and especially Mosley, it's not a given that Manny's power would overwhelm them. And if he can't hold them off there's a real chance they could work him over pretty good, assuming they're not dead at the weight. However, if Pacquiao fights Mayweather it's doubtful he'll get stopped or take a beating. The more likely scenario is Mayweather will move away and look to box and counter Pacquiao as he presses forward. And there's no doubt about the fact that if the fight happens, Manny will have to go to Floyd because that's how he fights every opponent.
Mayweather should take a page out of Sugar Ray Leonard's playbook when he fought Marvin Hagler. And that's fight Pacquiao with no tune up fight like Leonard, who was coming off a much longer layoff than Floyd is, when he fought Hagler. Not only does it give him a convenient excuse if he loses, as it would've Leonard, but if he wins it makes it that much more satisfying and special.
Another reason why Mayweather should go straight to Pacquiao is -- what does he do if Pacquiao ends up fighting and beating Cotto? Not only does it take Cotto off the table for a future fight, but it gives Pacquiao even more bargaining power. Think about it. If Mayweather beats Marquez in September or October, if they even fight, and Pacquiao beats Cotto in November, not only does Mayweather have one less opponent to make a big fight with, but he loses even more power to negotiate for a purse split.
Then again maybe he could fight Shane Mosley, as he mentioned to Brian Kenny during their back-and-forth last month, who has five losses? Sure, that makes sense. Now fight Mosley when the risk/reward factor has never been more out of balance! No, I don't think so. If there's one thing Floyd Mayweather has shown beyond a doubt during his terrific career, it's that he's just too smart to take a fight with so much to lose and little to gain against such a formidable and dangerous opponent.
When all is said and done there's just no getting around it that Pacquiao-Mayweather should happen this coming November. The only way for that to happen is for Mayweather to come back to reality and try to raise Arum/Pacquiao as much as he can to increase his percentage above the 60/40 split they offered, something that can probably be achieved because Arum and Pacquiao would rather walk away with 57% of Manny's biggest payday instead of holding out for 60% and risk the fight never being realized due to unforeseen events. It's boxing and Arum has been involved in it since Cassius Clay arrived on the scene. So he knows there's no guarantee that Pacquiao beats Cotto or that maybe Mayweather's body doesn't betray him in a future fight.
As far as Mayweather there's no other viable option. Since his pro debut Floyd's career has been brilliantly managed. That said he's never been a box office draw. In the three high profile fights of his career he was at the short end of the purse split versus Arturo Gatti and Oscar De La Hoya. Only against Ricky Hatton did he garner the bigger percent. Yet the fight was a big PPV attraction because of the fact that Hatton drew from an entire country, something Mayweather likes to say about Spanish and Mexican fighters. Pacquiao wasn't the draw versus De La Hoya and split the purse with Hatton, but he won both of those fights impressively and that's why he's the top attraction in boxing as of this writing.
Most sophisticated boxing observers know that Mayweather's retirement was orchestrated and planned. The intent was to give him a rest and infuse interest in him for a comeback bout, on top of aiding him in avoiding competitive fights in boxing’s most competitive division in which he fought, welterweight. The problem turned out to be that Pacquiao came along and defeated his two biggest name opponents, De La Hoya and Hatton, much more convincingly than he did. That isn't necessarily the be-all end-all, but it is to the boxing fans who put their money where their mouth is that buy PPV fights. That's why Pacquiao can call the shots.
So for the first time in his career Mayweather may have miscalculated and in a big way. The only thing left for him to do is realize that to become the man again in boxing he must fight Pacquiao this coming fall. Beating him would give Mayweather leverage if there's a rematch, something that's very plausible since if he did win it would most likely be by decision. On the other hand if he loses a close fight he can say he should've taken a tune up and may get a rematch.
If Floyd Mayweather is smart, he'll go straight to Pacquiao. Better do it soon, because the LA Times reports that Pacquiao and Cotto are in negotiations for a November match.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@gmail.com
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C'mon Man:
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I hear you F-Lo, but TRUST ME people have wanted Mosley v Mayweather for YEARS same with Cotto....Pac-Man vs Mayweather is the BIGGEST fight of them all....but honestly Pac-MAn is the #1 guy NO QUESTION, but the Casual Fan can Identify Mayweather quicker than they can a Pacquaio...
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 03:35:37 PM
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Chuka:
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I need some of that you are smoking Frank. I just want to know if you think and write this stuff during or after the high?
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 03:51:52 PM
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MisterLee:
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Cotto has a weak chin, pacquiao will finish what clottey started.... mosley to me, is the most dangerous draw for everyone.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 04:09:23 PM
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MisterLee:
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Clottey is off to fight williams. that will be a great fight.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 04:09:38 PM
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MisterLee:
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If Cotto beats pacquiao, mayweather has nowhere to go. Free the don!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 04:11:56 PM
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DJ:
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Mayweather has to fight JMM. It's in their contract, so it's not like Mayweather can do what you want him to and just go sign for a Pac fight. I take it you also thought Chad Dawson could get injured and then go off and fight Glencoffe instead of Tarver as well.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 04:16:57 PM
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deepwater:
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lil floyd has been partying too much this year. his body is not reacting the way he thought it would. hey floyd stay outta the tryst nightclub at the wynn.I thought he learned his lesson after his "friends" ripped off a few milion of his bling. floyd will get beat by marquez,mosley,and cotto. pacman wll eat him up. beat it floyd
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 04:18:51 PM
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RIVERSIDE:
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i'd hate to see cotto vs pacman, cotto is taylor made for pacman, straith forward boxer brawler, who doesn't clinch, pacman would take him out under 5 rounds, mayweather would give pacman problems, clinching, grabbing holding, different angles, and running away from pacman, mayweather would take a u.d. over pacman sure
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 04:52:01 PM
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BIGFREDO76:
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Damn writer Frank i wrote that articule 5 months ago.Anyhow good follow up articule Floyd has always been 2nd fiddle to other's in the PPV area.PBF vs. DeLahoya all DLH,PBF vs.Hatton,allHatton but now he has thing boxing problem I fight JMM but does anyone watch?HHHMMMM JMM is not a PPV draw and thats what PBF has always said"anyone heard about this guy before that fight?Well PBF boxing doesnt need you cuz you been replaced real fast by a real P4P champ that never ducked he seeked.So maybe PBF hurt his ribs looking for his scrotum.Pacman give em this spilt 65/35 your way and that way the split fits his split with no vaseline
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:04:58 PM
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Jonald:
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PacMan versus Mayweather is the biggest fight in the sport, at least with regard to the mainstream (a case can be made for SSM and/or Cotto). But this one is reigning P4P against his immediate, and undefeated, former P4P predecessor. The fight should happen NOW. They both stand to make HUGE money in a skanky economy. Go Pac 52 to FM's 48 and split the PPV down the middle. Throw in a rematch clause with the opposite split. They'd be fools to miss this opportunity while it's RED HOT. Truly.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:08:54 PM
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MisterLee:
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Cotto might piledrive manny, and then get him from the top ropes. Maybe an accidental close line, an incidental figure four, and a clash of Boston crab his A*(#, and if he's on a row, maybe the Hitman Hart's sharpshooter.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:10:01 PM
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noel:
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WHOEVER PAC-MAN FIGHT, IT WILL BE ENTERTAINING! PEREIOD!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:13:06 PM
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ali:
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Pac vs Cotto a 147 I would look forward to anything below that is stupid. If Pac is getting the bigger split than he should fight him at 147 if not he's going to be fighting another drain fight. Remember when Cotto was a 140 he was getting hurt every fight cause it was to much of a strain on his body at 147 he still get hurt but not nearly as bad. Frank is a Mayweather hater I expect him to say bad thing so im not surprise at all.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:17:48 PM
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the Roast:
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When the ref turns his back, Cotto's corner slides a steel chair into the ring, Miguel piks it up and WHAM!! down gos Pacman!!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:19:54 PM
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Chacaroy:
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When Mayweather made his announcement a few hours before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. I felt he was grandstanding. After Pacquiao quickly put Hatton to sleep, I felt that Mayweather then and there regretted his decision. I infer this by the brutal beating he saw Pacquiao give Hatton, and I became more convinced by the subsequent unreasonable demands he made when they tried to match him with Pacquiao, First he said, he wouldn’t deal with Arum. This automatically meant there would be no Pacquiao fight. Then he relented but then made another unreasonable demand- 60-40 with him getting the 60. He knew Pacquiao wasn’t going to accept it.
In another blog, the writer suspected that Mayweather was faking the rib injury so that he could skip Marquez and go directly to Pacquiao. This was shortsighted as your suggesting Mayweather should now fight Pacquiao. Mayweather can't just walk away from a signed contract. When his injury heals, he would still be obligated to fight Marquez.
I have a more plausible theory if the injury is fake. Mayweather is seeking to delay his fight with Marquez. Why? He knows that Pacquiao wants to fight in November, instead of the original October. That would now give Mayweather enough time to train for that fight. When the fight was scheduled for October, Mayweather had a built-in excuse for not fighting Pacquiao: only 3 months between fights.
Now, with Pacquiao's next fight moved to November, Mayweather no longer has that excuse.
So what does he do? Delay the Marquez fight. Rib injury. real or fake.
Unwittingly, you said (maybe on purpose for the subliminal effect) “Cotto and Mosley have a much better chance of beating up and embarrassing Pacquiao than Mayweather does.” The connotation is that: ” All three would not only be victors if they fought Pacquiao, but they would beat him up; i.e., the way Pacquiao beat up his last three opponents, with Cotto and Mosely having an easier time than Mayweather. .
They may possibly do that, but how realistic is it? Not very. Cotto is way too slow and comes in straight at you without head movement or fancy legwork, I thought Clottey, who doesn’t have Pacquiao’s power, won the fight. Against Pacquiao, He’d get blown away just as Hatton did
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Mosely is at the web of his great career. At age 37 he doesn’t have it as before. He lost to Cotto not too long ago, didn’t he? Pacquiao hits too hard with both hands and throws lightning fast combinations of bombs, He has one-punch KO power in both hands, and he has great stamina. Can Mosely keep up?
Mayweather was wobbled several times by Hatton and by the stroke of luck, turned the table at the end of the fight with a pot shot. Mayweather ran all night against Dela Hoya, His winning on a split decision was very controversial. In comparison, Pacquiao simply ran over Dela Hoya and Hatton like a Mac truck.
Mayweather is smart; he is avoiding Pacquiao. But if he was smarter he would face Pacquiao, take the beating, and walk away with $20,000,000 or more. :
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:27:53 PM
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DJ:
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to BIGFREDO76:
DLH needed Mayweather to sell 2.5 million, otherwise he would've generated 2.5 against Trinidad. All Hatton?? It took Floyd to put Hatton on PPV and Hatton isn't even a ppv-worthy fighter.
to RIVERSIDE:
I agree. Mayweather isn't Hatton or DLH.... or Cotto (should the fight be finalized this week). The Pac-flu took over a month ago. Mayweather by UD.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:43:03 PM
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peplz:
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If Floyd Mayweather is smart he better stay steadfast and not listen to the advice of this guy or any sports writer. "So called haters"? Most of the Mayweather haters are proud to so call themselves that. This article almost seemed like it was written by Bob Arum himself. What happened to the days when sports writers wrote about the sport itself. I totally disagree this guy's and Freddie Roach's assessment about Floyd being Pac's easiest option. For one, " Most sophisticated boxing observers" that saw either one of the Marquez/Pacquiao bouts would say that Pacquiao has some trouble against counter punchers. And, oh boy, is Floyd one hell of a counter puncher with excellent defense. He is actually a perfect foil for Pacquiao. Thus all of the psychological warfare. With all of this talk one would think that Floyd and Manny were actually slated to fight. Which they are not. All Floyd needs to remember is that everyone keeps talking about him. Good or bad. As long as he remembers that and keeps winning the bargaining chip will remain in his pocket.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 05:58:37 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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To anybody who says boxing doesn't need Floyd I agree, but boxing doesn't need any fighter. The sport is bigger than it's competitors with the possible exception of Ali and Tyson. If Pacquiao died tomorrow it would be a big blow to boxing but nothing the sport couldn't recover from. Cotto would be an easy opponent for Pacquiao and would be knocked out, all he would have is a punchers chance and if it was at one of Freddie cockROACH's speciality catchweights it would be embarrassing. Cotto is a fragile champ in my opinion...
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:08:07 PM
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MisterLee:
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Jinky temporarily distracts Miguel Cotto while the ref is arguing wtih the time keeper, pacquiao drop kicks cotto!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:28:26 PM
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peplz:
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Anyone that says that Hatton "wobbled" Mayweather in that fight or that he was ever even in that fight has got to have either been on acid when they watched it or didn't watch that fight at all. From beginning to ending Floyd Mayweather dominated that fight. As a matter of fact, I bet Hatton hit Pacquiao more times in 2 rounds than he did Mayweather in 10. You could'nt have seen the 8th round when Floyd unleashed the jab and Hatton did not land a single punch in the round. Maybe De la Hoya gave him a little trouble with the jab in the 8th round of their bout. But any honest observer would admit that Floyd also dominated that fight and there is no way any judge in his right mind should have scored that fight in favor of De la Hoya. Floyd came into that fight at 148 lbs in a fight which was fought at the 154 lb limit. De la Hoya rehydrated and gained a few pounds by fight night. Even though Pac had to ascend divisions De la Hoya had to fight him at extremely uncomfortable 147. And he looked pretty sickly before he came into the ring. Hats off to the Pac-Man because takes one hell of an individual to achieve what he has but if were going to compare performances we have to speak the truth.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:36:14 PM
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el chupacabra:
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yo dj? what are you talking about? dlh doesn't need pretty girl fraud mayweather to sell 2.5 million. dlh alone can make 2 mil by himself. why you think fraud can't sell his b.s tickets now? hatton? trust me. hatton sells bigtime in the u.k. and he has a fan base here in the u.s so he does sell when he fights in vegas. p.s cotto tko pac in 9. with a left hook to his tiny little body. dueces!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:36:28 PM
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Dan:
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Frank, not once did you mention Marquez as a formidable opponent to any of the above named fighters, let alone Mayweather himself! Are you out of your mind? For the boxing fan, Mayweather / Marquez perfectly sets up Pacquiao / Mayweather , Or even Pacquiao / Marquez III for doubters, both potentially SUPER pay-days. Your piece is rubbish man.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:37:03 PM
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Big Daddy:
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The Emperor Has No Clothes... "Needs Money" Fraud Fairweather thought he was looking at yet another Easy Payday. BUT, the tix for Marquez- Mayweather have been On Sale for nearly a month and BARELY 3000 people (Suckers) have bought Tix. Mexican Fans want to see their guy in a Real Competitive Fight ( Like against Pac-Man Or Juan Diaz ). So they're not buying Tix. I've seen JMM fight in Tahoe and Vegas, but I'm not shelling $3 G's or more ( Airplane, 2 Tix, a Room, and Food.. I don't Gamble) for this Bastardized "Fight". And they're aren't enough Fraud Fans ( Groupies, all 100 of them ) to even fill up more than a couple of rows. The Worse Part for Mayweather is He's lost any leverage he might've had in the Pac-Man negotiations.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:41:36 PM
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BIGFREDO76:
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TO mr. DJ.No it wasnt all DLH it was 90% and HBO 24/7 the other 10%.With Hatton you might be right but your NOT.The gate was 95% Hatton and the Majority of PPV was the ones that couldnt make it to the fight.Did you know that PBF was on only PPV that generated over 150,000 PPV?PBF is not and will never be in the same realm as DLH and I hated DLH.If PBF announced a fight against a nobody fighter no one cares.If DLH announces a fight against a nobody fighter he draws 600,000 easy.Now multiply that by 39.00 and you have my friend a PPV draw.PBF cant draw fly's to s**t son what makes you think he can attract boxing afficionados to a PPV event or even vegas?
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:44:54 PM
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Big Daddy Says Bow Down:
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Floyd should Kiss Manny's Feet if he even get's offered 40%.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 06:56:11 PM
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gburnz:
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This is one of the problems i have with this sport....all this running from good fights for a big pay day, it's a disgrace to the sport, anyone who is in this sport for the money, and not for the passion of it, will always disappoint, whether its with performance in the ring or neglecting good matchups to protect a record or big money fights..... this includes mayweather to pacquiao.... and finally, it is my belief that the fighter that should be p4p is paul williams followed by juan manuel marquez, miguel cotto, shane mosley, ivan calderon, vic darchinyan, manny pacquiao, joshua clottey, kelly pavlick...... this is my p4p list... and before anyone comments let me address two names and their place on the list and one name not on the list, yes i have manny @ 8 because while yes he is a good fighter, i do not feel like he beat JMM in either fight, and he's not challenging any of the top fighters...did anyone see odlh or ricky hatton as top fighters at the time? should he fight and beat Cotto(don't think that will happen, won't even waste my money on the PPV), then he will move up the list, (why avoid mosley, why avoid williams) and those of you who ask why is Paul Williams #1, i'll ask you besides Joshua Clottey who wants to fight him, not even Shane Mosley who says he's p4p the best wants to fight him (that's why he's at #4 he wants to prove that he's the best by beating up on two naturally smaller guys(pacman and mayweather) and finally FMjr- he's not on the list for one reason, he's been inactive for too long.... when he left he was on the brink of becoming P4P the best but he left a fight or two too soon in my opinion.. and with him its obvious it's protecting the 0 and gaining the most possible money while doing it... however should he comes back and beats JMM, beats Pac(if he beats cotto), beats Shane, beats Cotto(if he beats Pac), and beats Berto(if still undefeated at the time) and then beats Paul Williams, then to me he would be the greatest fighter of our era, but like i said with him it's about protecting the 0 and gaining the most money while doing it so i don't see him making 50% of those fights......
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:03:30 PM
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Floyd's stock is down. Golden Boy Promotions, Marquez, Schaeffer, de la Hoya, Mosley are all in the domino effect of losing credibility. You can not fool the paying public with their unscropolous reasonings and manipulations. Pacquiao's charisma and worldwide recognition still continues to soar. Pacquiao has nothing more to prove, he's done it all that has been done by his ATG predecessors. The fights ahead of him are stepping up fights unprecedented before. Stepping up to 147 from 106 lbs. is putting too much in his plate more than he could swallow. But he is a gifted and a very special fighter. He proved so many so called boxing experts and analysts wrong. Barrera, Morales, David Diaz, de la Hoya, Hatton were all regarded elite fighters, till they met Pacquiao. They all became like a lame duck in front of Pacquiao. If Pacquiao/Mayweather fight materializes, why would Pacman chase Mayweather in the ring? Mayweather can run around all he wants. If he does not want to engage in the ring, that is not Pacquiao's fault. Pacquiao should stand in the middle of the ring and it's up to Mayweather if he wants to engage or not. Pacman should not be chasing him. After that. the more turn-off a boxer Mayweather would become. I agree with FrankLo's assessment why he semi-retired. His effort to escape the great fighter in his own weight bracket worked, but his wild imagination that the sport will miss him backfired on his own face. If he has an injured rib, how many of it, what side, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th .??? They don't even tell. So, this is just all escapades for the imbalance his career is heading to now. Golden Boy Promotions are blabbering about a Pacquiao/Cotto fight. Why don't they match Marquez-Mosley, Mosley-Berto, Mosley-Paul Williams, de la Hoya-Marquez, Shaeffer-Ivan Calderon? The tree with the most fruit is stoned most.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:03:59 PM
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Jay:
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Um, what about Floyd's contract with JMM? Did his injury absolve him of his obligation to that fight?
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:07:39 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite:
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Nice piece, F-Lo, but I got distracted thinking about J-Lo and checking out how Editor Mike made the "Quote of Note" twice in a row. Something your truly use to do. That Playa Editor got his Mack on. DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! That "Hottie" of his is a serious DIME. And dude knows how GOOD his fortune is. Wow! He's really one sharp-eyed journalist and playa. Any way, Money May is smart, no doubt. He is so smart that he is being a straight quasi-soldier on recon. I don't care what anybody says, the guy is dangerous as a full welterweight or small lighmiddleweight. He can beat any of the elite welters with ease. But he will lose to a "little guy" name Manny Pacquiao. And Pera Pac can kayoed all the lightwelters and welters, and I'm not a rabbit fan. I'm reminded of how I told suckas years ago that little Pernell Whitaker could and would go up to welterweight and lightmiddleweight and spank some butts. And he did. Manny will knock OUT Cotto in three rounds, Money May in four, Punisher Paul in nine, and Sugarlite off the steroids -- with or without the Genie Nazim -- in eleven. Oh yea, and boxing survives without any fighter. And it is and was bigger than Ali and Tyson. Matter of fact, Golden Boy is the Bill Gates of the game. He brought the most fight fans running with cash. I will always give credit where it is due. And make that moola! I luv da game -- or is that da luv of gambling -- and winning BIG! Somebody oughta recognize! What time is it! ___TIME! Holla!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:14:02 PM
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MisterLee @ peplz:
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Check compubox numbers before you open your mouf! Pacquiao got "hit" 17 times in 2 rounds, mayweather 12-13 times (i haven't checked in a few week) in 2 rounds, however, pacquiao got hit on the whole less b/c he put hatton to sleep sooner! pacquiao's "D" is underrated. But it's hard to use "D" agst a WWE wrestler. Just ask Miguel "The Body Slamming Angel" Cotto. He might throw manny agst the turnbuckle and put him in the sleeper hold.... Lampley: "It appears manny has slipped into cotto's arms and had give him his neck and his back. Cotto has choked him out b/c of the fresh paint and the slip. This is a man that truly shows his humanity..."
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:14:42 PM
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Coralskippper:
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I couldn't disagree more about the purse split. As much play as Pacquiao's KO of Hatton was, Mayweather is still the greater name to people who don't follow boxing that closely. The man does commercials, has been on Dancing with the Stars, and did that wrestling stunt. To me, this still means that Mayweather has the major negotiating card.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:23:41 PM
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Elwyn:
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I agree with this writer. Floyd should fight Manny soonest to settle all these disputes -- of who's really who -- pound 4 pound -- and to make history current vs former pound 4 pound No. 1s
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:30:08 PM
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abc:
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Floyd-JMM fight had to be cancelled because only 3,000 tickets have been sold and not because of a rib injury. This is according to maxboxing.
So this proves that Floyd is not the draw and he never was.
Why would Pacquiao agree to a 50-50 split now? nonsense.
Big mistake by Floyd. Like this article says, he should have went after Pacquiao right away. He could have waited 1 more day before making his comeback announcement.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:30:29 PM
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don miguel:
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If PBF and Manny do fight, even if PBF wins by 1st round KO, my admiration will go to Pacquiao. For having the heart to fight a great bigger boxer. Having in mind that PBF would come out of retirement fighting a much smaller guy when many legitimate welterweights are available. I agree that PBF regrets that he retired. Letting Pacman took away the P4P and PPV crown
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:49:43 PM
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Chacaroy @ Pepitz:
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Watch youtube. In the first round Hatton wobbled Mayweagher so badly with just his jab; he almost got knocked down.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:50:16 PM
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bobsalobs:
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To end this stalemate, make a fight contract giving the winner 60%. Plain and simple logic, the winner gets the bigger pie - all fight contracts should be that way.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:51:09 PM
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justfan:
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Peplz: Mayweather is a fighter who keeps on running. His opponents keeps on chasing him. They know they will get hit just to give one. Mayweather is not a warrior, he is a ducker. Most boxing writers write so, too. Pacquiao should not wander from the middle of the ring when he fights him. If Mayweather does not want to engage in a fight, that's his own look-out, not the opponent.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:51:50 PM
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mj:
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Mayweather never fought bigger or challenging oppositions...
He fights guys who are visibly smaller and less skilled...
That's cowardice to me...
Unlike Pacman who stood up to fight bigger and talented opponents.
Cotto who fought w/ Mosley and Margarito...
Cotto, Pacman and Mosley are the real warriors...
Even though if they have losses, it was against a great fighter...
I also overheard that Mayweather canceled the JMM fight because he had a better option in the Name of "IRON BOY" at a catch weight of 154 lbs.
How could he ever loose that fight????????
COWARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:54:08 PM
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Isaisip:
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Regardless of fake or real rib injury, Mayweather Jr.'s stock and bargaining chip have gone down. This means that he cannot continue to demand the lion's share of the purse in any future fights. He can do more AT&T commercials. This is the only time I have seen him on TV without saying a word.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:54:23 PM
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don miguel:
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If PBF and Manny do fight, even if PBF wins by 1st round KO, my admiration will go to Pacquiao. For having the heart to fight a great bigger boxer. Having in mind that PBF would come out of retirement fighting a much smaller guy when many legitimate welterweights are available. I agree that PBF regrets that he retired. Letting Pacman took away the P4P and PPV crown
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:54:25 PM
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Chacaroy @ Pepitz:
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Watch youtube. In the first round Hatton wobbled Mayweagher so badly with just his jab; he almost got knocked down.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:57:36 PM
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Isaisip:
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Regardless of fake or real rib injury, Mayweather Jr.'s stock and bargaining chip have gone down. This means that he cannot continue to demand the lion's share of the purse in any future fights. He can do more AT&T commercials. This is the only time I have seen him on TV without saying a word.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 07:57:49 PM
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justfan:
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Coral Skipper posted: "I couldn't disagree more about the purse split. As much play as Pacquiao's KO of Hatton was, Mayweather is still the greater name to people who don't follow boxing that closely. The man does commercials, has been on Dancing with the Stars, and did that wrestling stunt. To me, this still means that Mayweather has the major negotiating card. "
BIG HMMMMNNN!
Pacquiao does commercials.
The products he endorses sells.
He is on the TIME Magazine 100 most influential people.
He is on the 100 World Top Celebrities.
He meets with past and present presidents.
NBA stars like him.
Movie stars like him.
Oprah wants him on her show.
He is being invited to throw the first pitch on the big baseball league games. (Bush was also invited).
He has no rib injury yet.
He does not trumpet who he is.
People acknowledge his accomplishments.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:02:25 PM
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Musang:
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There should be a welterweight royal rumble... Whoever's left standing in the ring wins!!!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:08:34 PM
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don miguel:
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If PBF and Manny do fight, even if PBF wins by 1st round KO, my admiration will go to Pacquiao. For having the heart to fight a great bigger boxer. Having in mind that PBF would come out of retirement fighting a much smaller guy when many legitimate welterweights are available. I agree that PBF regrets that he retired. Letting Pacman took away the P4P and PPV crown
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:09:55 PM
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dodong lefthook:
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PBF IS BROKE PERIOD...... SOONER OR LATER HE WILL AGREE TO FIGHT THE PACMAN INSTEAD OF JMM. TO FIGHT JMM IS A WASTE OF TIME FOR HIM HE JUST REALIZED THAT. THAT IS WHY HE MADE AN ALIBYBYBYBY...PERIOD......
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:10:18 PM
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Real Talk : hard day at the office:
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I tried to sign up for online betting but the app. reset like 5 or 6 times . That would 've been more bread for my portfolio . I'm not on bard with the majority in here about Pacman crushing Cotto . That's kind of laughable to me . I do think Pacman has a good chance to win because of his speed and conditioning . Those are two things he is top of the food chain in . But.....But ....Cotto can box and is viciuos with the body ayyack , this can not be ignored . And yeah I said Hatton was a good body puncher but Cotto is a class above Hatton . That being said I don't see that fight happening unless the BobFather thinks Cotto is trying to walk . Cotto can't take another L right now . It would hurt his marketability , an I think he won the Clottey fight by boutworking him in the championship rounds . Clottey blocked a lot of those shots but he knew what time it was and new he have to win convincingly or ............ . Those NY boricua must go hard because Clottey looked shook . Was he intimidated by the crowd or was it those shots that got through ??? The Bobfather aint letting one of his cash cows go under . To me this is posturing an a chess match . Always a pleasure family . Dueces
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:12:24 PM
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Charles Xavier:
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Hey Manny and CockRoach!! Never mind that 60-40 go for 70-30! If Floyd says no then you tell him and his cronies to kick rocks! Check this out, I like watching Mayweather fights even though most may have been lacklustering he puts on a good display of his abilities and you've got to respect that, it takes real stamina and hard work to be able to perform that way.. Now Pacman, this boy pretty much K.O's everyone he faces, he doesn't duck opposition, and he's faced more big names/hall of famers than Mayweather has and Pac is also willing to fight guys Mayweather ducked. Even Homer Simpson knows Pacman should take a bigger bite of this mega donut. So Floyd just take what you can get for Pacquiao/Mayweather (if it even happens) I don't think your father or uncle ever taught you the meaning of EARN... You're going to have to earn them from now on kiddo.. Fighters like Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto (just to name a few) sure have....
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:25:32 PM
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brownsugar:
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What's all the fuss,.. Mayweather wasn't chasing Pacman,.. Pacman said he wanted Floyd first,.. then changed up immediately after witnessing Cotto's near meltdown at the hands of Clottey,.. Neither is Floyd or his manager/promoters have spoken a word about cancelling his contract with JMM,.. and no-one in his camp has spoken a word about chasing a Pacman fight,... So where do these assumptions come from??? Floyd said he retired because he was tired and needed time away form the game to be with his family,.. he also has a reputation of being one of the he hardest working athletes in the biz.....8000 punches a day would get monotonous to anybody,.. Even Schaffer of GP said he saw Floyd and Floyd was in so much pain he couldn't even sit down... I've had my ribs separated before and couldn't laugh for month,.. This Anti-Mayweather board sounds like another Pity Party for those who make a full time job of hating Mayweather,.. as if he had to fake an injury to duck a fighter,... Hilarious...it is what it is,.. I just want to see how Floyd looks in the ring,.. if he in fact even chooses to continue his career,.. other than that,.. this is a non-story... besides,.. who can blame Pacman for seeking fame and glory against the battle worn Cotto,.. the man has a huge heart but his defense is porus,... and his foot speed a little less than average,.. But he still possess the power to seriously hurt Pacman if he can catch him clean to the body or head,.. I still consider it a legitimate contest as long as Cotto isn't handicapped by being forced to meet Pacman at an uncomfortable weight..
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:29:29 PM
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Shaar_Moot_Karab_betak:
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the p4p heirarchy should be based only on how the boxers' generate excitement when they are on the ring... that means those who doesnt run and hide and those who has a legions of fans and most importantly , a real fighter who does a lot of variations in the way he boxes and punch and knocks out opponent or stops them ..Period...
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:34:50 PM
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ronald:
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what a great article!!! you've presented it in a nice manner which i think is acceptable to almost anyone except for some. keep on writing my friend... thanks
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:35:36 PM
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Steve the hater:
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Pacman is a p....sy he needs to fight Mosley now that he is available, why cotto? he can beat cotto easy, Cotto looked like s..it last sat., so stop been a P..sy and take a real challenge,and you guys nobody has given respect to Marquez, you guys suc...k big time.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 08:57:06 PM
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Fe'Roz:
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Love him or hate him, Floyd is NOT the biggest attraction in boxing today. He May....and i have my doubts.... have been at one time . But not anymore. That title belongs to the man that has caused the greatest stir in boxing in years, the most exciting and explosive fighter in the hurt business today.....that charming and disarmingly charismatic little big man from General Santos City, Manny the Pacman. You leave these pages and Nobody cares about Floyd. Sorry, I love this sport....but Mayweather simply ain't the straw stirring the drinks these days. When Manny entered the Garden Saturday night, he was greeted with a huge standing O.....by a packed arena of Boricuas no less. Everyone who loves boxing loves this warrior. Cotto, for all his flaws, has a similar quality and that engenders deep loyalty. Hatton the same. So...Floyd should do what any good businessman would do......put his ego aside and recognize that 40+ % of a whole lot is a lot more than 60% of Zero. Frank is right. Floyd should call Manny out now. But he won't.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:05:05 PM
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valalobs:
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Give the winning fighter the purse he wants - all fight contracts should be this way. Pacman and PBF each claim to deserve a 60% purse share for being the P4P king. Whoever wins the fight will be the undisputed P4P king so he gets more - so write it in the contract whoever wins gets 60%. This will even make the fight more exciting - getting a 20% more dangle would probably mean a bonus of $12Mn......
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:06:23 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Real Talk:
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Great post. As for Clottey, he blocked shots all night and frankly looked like he could have still gone for a 5 mile run after the fight. He has the might....but he lacks that intangible will.
He doesn't know what it means to be a champion. Talk about a man who needs a new corner. I can still hear Joe Goosen screaming at Diego Corrales and pushing him back out to finish off Castillo. Clottey needs to get himself some serious tough love. pc
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:15:18 PM
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PACundo:
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If floyd has the heart of boxing, he have to fight manny to prove he is still the floyd mayweather and he still the P4P king. floyd should not make any excuses just to avoid facing manny, just be man enough!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:17:41 PM
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DJ:
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to el chupacabra:
DLH can do 2 million buys alone??? His highest ppv buy total prior to Mayweather was 1.4 million buys... and that's when Trinidad was in. Please check stats before making hypothetically responses.
I don't disagree that Hatton has a fan base in the UK, but how come it took Mayweather to get him on a ppv card. He couldn't even be placed on an undercard for a significant ppv before Mayweather gave him an opportunity.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:21:14 PM
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john :
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to jburnz you dont have any idea about boxing you simply points out your idea of the things you dont really understand. why is vic darchinyan on number 6 and ivan calderon on number five ahead of pacman the guy with no knockout punch become ahead of the pacman who knocks down hatton only in round 2 besides pacman really deserves to be number 1 his been fighting way mexican greats on his division before he fights de la hoya. the first rematch of pacman and jmm turns to be very controversial where the judges admits that he mades mistakes on the score card supposedly turns out pacquiao the winner knocks down jmm 3x instead of that draw and the pacman marquez 2 fights came outs 3 years later after marquez desides to duck pacquiao instead of a rematch he fights in indonesia fighting with cris john were he lost in a 12 round unanimous decision. the split decision on that jmm pacman fight cames out when jmm knockdown on the fourth so please do some research before you decides to post some comments!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:28:40 PM
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DJ:
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to BIGFREDO76:
Hahahaha. No it wasn't 90% DLH and 10% 24/7 guy. There's two fighters on 24/7 so please don't use that as an argument. I highly doubt that DLH has won over that many fans after his showing against Trinidad which was previous to Mayweather, his biggest ppv buy total (1.4). Clearly it takes two, cut out the bias in your responses. DLH never delivers in his important fights, that doesn't attract more buyers for ppv's. Mayweather usually takes the roll of the antagonist and it that reels in more viewers. Shane Mosley is a genuinely nice guy (who I believe would beat PBF) and that didn't bring in numbers when he fought DLH. All I'm saying is that PBF had just as much to do with bringing in ppv buys as DLH.
Mayweather was on Dancing with the Stars (I have no clue why 20 million people watch it every week, but they do). He also participated in Wrestlemania last year as well. That brought in numbers for the Hatton fight simply because Mayweather reached different demographics.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:29:29 PM
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DJ:
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to BIGFREDO76:
Also.... Mayweather did 350,000 ppv buys against a fly-by-bight no-namer in Carlos Baldomir.
Pac only has three ppv fights that have surpassed that number against Baldomir (DLH/Hatton/Morales II). Aside those three, every ppv fight Mayweather has had (Gatti, Judah, DLH, Hatton) have done better than Pac's when he fought on ppv's other than DLH/Hatton. Matter of fact, both of Pac's fights against Marquez only totaled out to 400,000 buys. Hmmm.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:34:35 PM
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berraco47:
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No! Mayweather coming back to fight Pacquiao is nothing like Leonard coming back to fight Hagler. To do that he would have to come back and fight THE MAN at 154lb or at least 147lb, which we all know is the highly avoided Sugar Shane Mosley.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:35:25 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite:
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The Battle of the Islands is close to being on. PacMan knocks out da Cotton-feet dancer in round three. You heard it here, first! I cannot wait to see the Don. It is time for him to come down State. Let him go. And let the Texas Mandingo Warrior Kirkland go. He was just confused. Dude thought Mandingoes start carrying six-shoots and rifles like a Texas Cowboy. Just remind the dude to get himself a sword or a spear. Manny will knock him out and win the lightmiddleweight title. Wow! Holla!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:37:23 PM
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Let me remind everyone that it is NOT a foregone conclusion that PBF will beat JMM. I am fully aware that JMM has a steep hill to climb in beating PBF, however, what makes Pacman a better bet to beat Mayweather? Has everyone forgotten that JMM arguably won at least one of the two against Pacman? Has everyone forgotten that JMM beat the two toughest 135 pounders in Montemayor and Juan Diaz and beat them convincingly? Pacquiao beat David Diaz, the weakest of the three, he beat a dried out ODLH and an over-rated and careless Hatton and all of a sudden he can beat everyone out there? Please......Obviously, Pacman is extremely talented and tough and I love to watch his bouts because he comes to fight, but let's not get carried away, he BARELY beat JMM twice. Lastly, JMM is probably the smartest and most adaptable fighter today and as I've asked before, what other fighter fights back tougher than JMM when he's smacked on the chops? JMM beating PBF is a tough propostion because of the size advantage that PBF will have, BUT after all of JMM accomplishments he DESERVES the benefit of the doubt. All of you experts need to stop writing him off, the man has earned this opportunity. I sincerely hope he shocks Mayweather and quiets all you nay-sayers and throws you all off the Pacman bandwagon in the process.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:52:19 PM
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MANG RESTY:
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Better hurry up Floyd because pacfans at pacfans-corner. com are already waiting for Pacquaio/Cotto fight to be signed up.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:59:19 PM
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noypi:
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i think mosley has the biggest chance 2 beat pacman thats y team arum avoids him then saw the fight of cotto and saw that cotto is much easier to beat,that's y they cherry pick cotto....go pacman 4 congress!!!!!!lmao
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 09:59:20 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Using yesterday's numbers to determine tomorrow's has about as much relevance in business today as using Citigroup's stock price a year ago to determine it's CEO salary this year. This is a new day. Credit worthy yesterday? Not today. In this economy business and credit is based not on what you DID yesterday but what investors believe you WILL DO tomorrow. Manny is like the Fed......the only fighter alive guaranteed to print money. Money May....but Manny Will. Print that!!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:05:37 PM
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mj:
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nah PGF vs. Pacman would be a marathon....
Pacman runs forward and PGF runs backward... hehehe
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:10:43 PM
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Antonio Puno:
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Lil Floyd has it alibi now, if he lose in a fight there must be a reason..............................
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:14:26 PM
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cjay:
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floyd is in a big dilemma. no matter how the outcome will be on the mayweather-marquez fight, pacquiao-cottto will still be bigger because pacquiao is fighting someone that floyd was ducking from and pacquiao being the smaller man. floyd on the other hand is a true welter weight and ends up fighting marquez whom pacquiao dropped 4 times already and marquez being the smaller man. it seems that ironically floyd is playing cath-up to pacquiao just like marquez is doing. if floyd had announced to fight mosley or any of the true welter weights out there after coming from a sabbatical, then the public would give him more props. but now he making himself look like a b-rated fighter by fighting marquez and postponing the fight. pacquiao on the other hand, if he beats cotto (and it doesn't need to be a K.O of TKO) breaks another record by becoming the only fighter to hold 7 belts in 7 weight classes would elevate to another level and strengthen his chances of gaining the bigger piece of the pot if ever he(pacquiao) fights mayweather in the future.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:32:24 PM
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cjay:
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the casual fan doesn't know who is quicker. the casual fan just wanna see exciting and violent fights with some knockdowns in the end.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:34:53 PM
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Golden Boy:
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I totally agree with the writer. Pacquiao Vs. Mayweather would be the most money generating fight for both fighters. However, it is Bob Arum who calls the shots and for Arum the bigger fight for him is the Pacquiao Vs. Cotto fight since he would able to collect his percentage from the two fighters who are all managed by Top Rank Promotions. The only hurdle right now is Arum because even if Pacquiao will earn more against Mayweather, Arum will look on a different direction because a Cotto fight will generate him more money since Pacquiao and Cotto are both his fighters unlike Mayweather who is semi-promoted by Golden Boy Promitions.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:35:29 PM
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bbug:
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IF MAYWEATHER IS SMART, HE BETTER STAY HOME AND WATCH OTHER BOXERS FIGHT. BECAUSE NOWADAYS, HE IS NOT FUN TO WATCH ANYMORE!!!
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 10:40:00 PM
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Jolly D. Puertos:
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I'm afraid for FLOYD, Pacquiao might break his RIBS further; he might be killed. If I were Pacquiao, I should have to fight Cotto because Cotto's style is just like Juan Diaz and Hatton. I advise Floyd to play safe by fighting IVAN CALDERON.
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 11:23:56 PM
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UndeadPresident:
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How about a 60/40 purse split with the 60 going to the winner?
Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 11:47:43 PM
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MANILA BOY :
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definitely the biggest fight will PACMAN vs MAYWEATHER,
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 12:08:38 AM
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Xanthia:
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Hurt or not who cares about Floyd, Manny doesn't need Floyd to cement himself in history. A Cotto and another Marquez win speaks so much volume and weight for Pacquiao. Floyd can beat it.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 12:12:32 AM
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fighter4U:
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peplz you should watch the mayweather vs hatton again. In the 1st round of their fight mayweather almost got knock down (take note knock down not KO) by hatton. lucky for him (mayweather) hatton did not follow up a combination that would truly make him (mayweather) kiss the canvass.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:14:01 AM
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james:
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c'mon man!? a casual fan can identify mayweather than pacquio? are you nuts? even in the US, people dont even know mayweather!
asians and europeans hardly even know him!
you compare him to pacmans status and the rest of the world? my God! you are as stupid as your name is!
nice article though! ur right TS, he should go straight to pacquiao!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:34:07 AM
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july:
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floyd is scared of fighting pacman that is why he chose to fight marquez. that is the reality. because if not, he should have waited for the outcome of pacquiao-hatton fight before announcing who his next opponent will be. floyd has an extremely large ego just like his father that is why he cant accept the fact that pacquiao is the top draw now and not him. the rib injury? i dont believe it. they just lied about it. for pacquiao, he must pursue the fight with cotto, or mosley if cotto is not available because these two real warriors (floyd is not a real warrior) hold welterweight belts. beating cotto or mosley would give pacquiao his sixth belt, enough reason for him to be called the greatest fighter of all time, a feat that coward floyd would never achieve because he is a coward fighter who cherrypicks his opponents.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:39:37 AM
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bert:
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jmm vs. pbf. FLOP! period.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:42:08 AM
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Smitty:
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Well argued and very plausible, Frank! Hope Floyd would read this.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 02:30:02 AM
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obet of lucban:
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I like the way you analized MAYweather's situation regarding to fight PAC ,you're right ,it's time to ask Bob Arum to fight PAC otherwise,Mayweather would lose a lot of money that he may generated from this fight.He should accept that Pac in now in the driver's seat .It 's just a matter of balance.While he was sleeping, PAC was making a big and entertaining scene.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 02:30:50 AM
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obet of lucban:
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I like the way you analized MAYweather's situation regarding to fight PAC ,you're right ,it's time to ask Bob Arum to fight PAC otherwise,Mayweather would lose a lot of money that he may generated from this fight.He should accept that Pac in now in the driver's seat .It 's just a matter of balance.While he was sleeping, PAC was making a big and entertaining scene.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 02:32:07 AM
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SD 619:
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EP Juan - I see you're still crying over spilled milk. Pacman should have won both fights vs Marquez and you know it. Marquez was lucky to get a draw in the 1st fight but we all know that one of the judges didn't know how to add. The sad part is he even admitted it was a scoring error. Sorry 3 KD's in the 1st rd would be a 10-6 rd not a 10-7. Lastly we all know who won the 2nd fight. Both fights were really close, but it just goes to show you as long as Marquez keeps them invisible roller skates he got on.....you know, the ones that made him fall 4 times.....he won't be winning close fights anytime soon. KD's don't always guarantee a win, but they sure do make a difference.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 02:43:53 AM
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mayfan:
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I like to see mayweather -pacman fight. I think this will be the biggest draw because pacman fans will come in full force and mayweather haters (which is huge) will come also in full force to see him bitten.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 03:11:58 AM
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DP @ gburnz:
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Paul Williams P4P #1? C'mon need more years or fights to be a contender there. Money is to boxing you say? I believe even Paul Williams will not box for free just for passion I suppose?... and to all who thinks catch weight stinks maybe you should think again.. If the sweepstakes front runners are serious in facing PAC then they must all go down to 140 where it seem he will stay at jr. welterweight not welterweight..besides the point that anything above 140 is a welterweight (141-147)
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 03:42:02 AM
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No BS:
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since junior mayweather cannot honor his july 18 bout with Juan Manuel Marquez.... I say it would be better if JMM not fight Mayweather at all. I say lets bring on JMM and PacMan together again.... Let's watch their improved and true boxing skills. Let junior cure his ribs for him to be able to fight boxers his size (Mosley perhaps? hmmmm? He's been ducking that fight since who knows when) Well, knowing junior, he no longer fights boxers his size... he fights small lightweights.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 03:53:19 AM
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Chacaroy@come on man:
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Come on man, come on man, Accept the fact that Pacquiao is the most popular figure in boxing now. Mayweather has acquired a laughing stock image. The only way he can redeem himself is first ro beat marquez decisively than challenge Pacquiao. Should he lose, he would gian in two ways: at least $20,000,000 and his good standing back. Right now people see him as a coward. I don't. I see him as a smart guy who knows how to survive.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 03:56:48 AM
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Nacho Libre:
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While this writer respects Zurita’s take on this issue, still, the Filipino idol’s case cannot be likened to those of the “Golden-Pretty Boys” for the mere fact that the 4-division lineal world champion (112lbs, 126lbs, 130 lbs, and 140lbs) and 6-time alphabet soup champ in as many divisions (112lbs, 122lbs, 126lbs, 130lbs, 135lbs, and 140lbs) Pacquiao isn’t doing this to gain a perceivable advantage, but rather, to create a level playing field.
Size-difference is the main issue being fought for by Pacquiao and his team. By no means should a smaller guy be criticized for fighting a bigger guy. The “Golden-Pretty Boys” were carped because their cases were the exact opposite… or even worse, since they never compromised at a catchweight to compensate for the size advantage that they had over their smaller foes.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 04:44:57 AM
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brownsugar:
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How ridiculous is this article???,.. It's and embarrassment to the readers and writers of TSS,... Floyd came out of retirement to face JMM aftter he was called out,.. now according to Schaffer of GP he's in such pain that he can't run,.. hit the bag,.. spar,.. or participate in any physical activities as Floyds rib cartilege is tearing from where it connects to the sternum,.. a very serious injury that could knock him out of contention with anybody if it doesnt' heal properly,... SEE ESPN BOXING for a trustworthy report,... Now he's supposed to ditch JMM and jump on Pacs Jock like Shane Mosely???,... Pac doesn't make or break Floyd if the fight is never made,..Pacs not even fighting real welterweights,.. just the starved out versions of boxers who are willing to handicap themselves to chase the money,.. Cotto barely survived at 146,.. at 143 he would be beaten to a pulp by the Pacman,.. just like a starved DLH and an extremely boney looking Hatton,.. Floyd just needs to worry about getting well and completing his obligation with JMM,... all the speculation is meaningless since Floyd has already decided to fight JMM anyway,.. Personally I think JMM is equal to Pac when it comes to heart and pure boxing ability and it would be a fine test to see what Floyd has left after 2years out of the sport... if Floyd wants to stay in the bizness,.. he'll be fine,.. with plenty of opportunities if Pac is truly done after 2 more fights,.. Pac has had an incredible career,.. but I'm not interested in watching him beat dried out depleted welters,.. let him fight them at 147,.. or stick to the junior welters,.. where many can give him some good opposition,.. fighting these older dried out veterans isn't proving anything,.. neither does using his clout to force the bigger guys into a disadvantage futher his legacy....
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 05:02:28 AM
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Dan:
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You guys wake up. We do not like to watch a ballroom dancing like fight. Pretty Boring Floyd is too boring to watch. As a true boxing fan we love seeing an action packed boxing match. You noticed if you watched those Pacquiaos fights, they were all exciting.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 05:51:14 AM
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There is no dispute, a PACMAN-MAYWEATHER fight would be a blockbuster. Anyone of them loses can ask for a rematch and still be a blockbuster fight. What MAYWEATHER miscalculated is the chance of being beaten by JMM. This guy JMM gave PACMAN the hardest time of his boxing career and the last fight wasn't convincing enough to be awarded to PACMAN. Should Floyd think, he must think with his brain and not with his mouth as he sounds not so convincing this time around. He has to stop mimicking Ali in the younger days that he stings like a bee. Cash Cow? not good enough.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 06:10:31 AM
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donturyuk:
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PBF SAID IM THE CASH COW KING NOW, MAKING TWO BIG FIGHTS,OSCAR ,HATTON TO BE BIGGER PPV THAN WHAT MANNY MAKE WHEN HE FIGHT THE TWO.SAYING THAT OSCAR WAS DOING PPV ATTRACTION HUNDRED TIMES WHILE MAYWEATHER DOES IT ONLY TWO TIMES.HE ALWAYS THINK THAT ITS ALL ABOUT ME..ITS ALL ABOUT PRETTY BOY FLOYD,,,NOW FIGHTING MARQUEZ WITH A HARD SELL OUT,BROKEN RIBS,,ETC,YES ITS ALL ABOUT FLOYD...
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 07:09:23 AM
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el chupacabra:
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fraud mayweather should stay retired. he looks desperate. he notice that they were only 3000 tickets sold. 3000?. cotto or pacquiao alone will sell 3000 in less than 1 hour. hehehehehehe. lets forget about fraud mayfeathers. lets talk pacquiao vs cotto. deal is almost done. I see cotto stopping tiny pac in 5 rounds. dueces!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 07:55:03 AM
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Bruiser1:
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The bottom line is that, if pacman and Cotto goes for it, pacman will definately knock em out. they need to have a better fighter out there for the pacman, someone like mosley. that would be a great fight. that's a big challenge for pacman. Cotto is not a big threat. we need to give pacman a hell of a fight since he is retiring after this last fight. cotto will not do the job.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:00:04 AM
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gburnz:
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to john---- my definition, of a p4p boxer, is not someone who knocks people out quickly, that's not a boxer, for all that talk you might as well make kelly pavlick #1 he's only lost one fight at a catch weight w/ the more experienced B-Hop and has a knockout percentage of 86%... and i cannot call pacquiao the best p4p, because again he currently is not fighting top competition... fighting top comp is not asking your opposition to put themselves at a disadvantage, by coming down in weight, you want to fight the welterweight champ, fight him at welterweight... any true sportsman wants to be challenged, not stacking the cards in thier favor, as far as i can see pac is taking pages out of mayweathers book.... can't see either as p4p the best... i just see them as #1 and #2 most entertaining to the sport, one in the ring and one out of it
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:04:37 AM
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gburnz:
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ABOUT MANNY AND FLOYD
MAYWEATHER'S BIGGEST CHALLENGES-
Diego Corrales(rip)
Jesus Chavez2x
Jose Luis Castillo2x
Oscar DelaHoya (who floyd faught at 154 and pac man faught at 147)
Ricky Hatton (undefeated before floyd)
PACQUIAO'S BIGGEST CHALLENGES-
Marco Antonio Barrera 2x
Erik Morales 3x loss the 1st
Juan Manuel Marquez (2)
Oscar DelaHoya (fought 2 years after floyd fought him at a lower weight)
Ricky Hatton (only other fighter to knock hatton out, only quicker)
I'd say they had a equal amount of challenges and if Floyd beats JMM convincingly(if that fight ever happens),
then i'd say this would be an equal(as far as opposition faced) and electric matchup
CAN I GET A "THRILLA IN MANILLA"2010?
As far as the money goes, i think it should be a 60/40 split with all fights, with the bigger purse going to the victor.... all the money politics, with negotiating fights hurt the sport overall, i guarantee that if this fight is not made,(if FMJr beats JMM) its over $$$$$$$$$$
Arum will say Pac deserves the bigger purse, but everyone wants to see this fight, because he'll be fighting Floyd, , so like i say split it 60/40 and to the victor goes the "bigger" spoils.....
Another Point i would like make....
Does anyone really believe that what Mayweather did was retire? After years in the sport, especially at the point he was in the sport, your body needs a break, most fighters try to take that break when its to late, does anyone notice, that of Mayweathers first 25 fights, 19 ended by stoppage or knock out, including the 25th fight against Diego Corrales(rip) then his next fight he hurts his hand, and for his next 14 fights he only manages 6 fights ended by stoppage or knock out... Do you think his hands need to heel? I personally believe, there will be less ring rust on floyd than you may think, i think the time off will have been good for him, body rested, hands healed, and now there's a lot of fights out there for a mega money ...but will he challenge himself or will we see the same from him? will he be the fighter he was in the first 2/3rds of his career or will he pick up where he left off?
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:13:53 AM
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AFN fair\'s fair, ho ho:
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Fair's fair. Team Wuss hasn't yet mentioned they will not fight JMM in the Fall, or asked for a fight with Manny. BUT WE ALL KNOW THEY WILL and anyone who thinks a contract in boxing is worth anything when millions is involved, don't know nuttin. JMM will take a couple of million step aside money, with a meaningless promise to fight the winner, and PBWuss will take a 45% cut to keep the fight. Manny holds all the cards, Mayweather is just a sad rich dawg. Toonoy
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:26:25 AM
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Real Talk @ Feroz:
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Hey Feroz , thanx for the big up on my comment . I like a lot of your comments also , very insightful . I like the idea of valalob who says give the winner the 60% . I think Floyd will KO marquez today , I may feel different tomorrow . I noticed in the Baby Bull fight that marquez in adding weight and power has lost a little bit of his explosiveness in his step . At least that's the way it looked to me . He still is one of the most technically sound , top conditioned and most intelligent fighters in the sport today . I think he's one of the best Mexican fighters ever . Dueces
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:48:39 AM
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The bottom line is that, if pacman and Cotto goes for it, pacman will definately knock em out. they need to have a better fighter out there for the pacman, someone like mosley. that would be a great fight. that's a big challenge for pacman. Cotto is not a big threat. we need to give pacman a hell of a fight since he is retiring after this last fight. cotto will not do the job.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 09:13:08 AM
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Anony @ fightwriters all around the world:
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FIGHTWRITERS just don't want to say it but you can tell they all want somebody to shut up Floyd "bighmouth" Mayweather soooon!!!! And that will be his future no matter what. I'm convinced he is regretting his "come back" but then again, he might need the money bad so he will fight. He definetly sucks. He's always playing safe chicken. He better knows that I bought DLH and Hatton PPV's only to see him knocked out. And next time he fights I will buy it for the same reason. TO WATCH FIRSTHAND HOW PACQUIAO OR COTTO OR JMM make him pay for being the chicken that he is. SPEEDBAG TO ALL FEDERAL AGENTS: YES!!!! FREE DONPUTO69 !!!!!! PARDON HIM FROM THROWING HIS SHOES TO BUSH LAST YEAR!!!! (YES, NOW YOU KNOW THE REAL REASON HE IS IN THE CAN. THE MAN IS A HERO!)
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 09:24:52 AM
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Blue Jay:
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Your "if ...is smart" is just a big IF çoz Mayweather is an dabbling fake actor like his father Mayweather Sr. full of nonsense.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 09:30:56 AM
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peplz:
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Mister Lee, calm down. Its called exaggerating to make a point. There is no need to dig up compubox numbers. I believe you. And to Chacaroy, I've watched the Mayweather/Hatton fight numerous times. The punch that so called wobbled Floyd in the first round did not land. And, if you watch the action closely you will see that Floyd simply lost his footing. You couldn't even call it a slip because he didn't fall. Don't get me wrong. Because of the way the fight was commentated, I can see how there were a few occasions when one might have thought Hatton was doing something and he really wasn't. Holla.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 09:59:31 AM
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peplz:
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Mister Lee, calm down. Its called exaggerating to make a point. There is no need to dig up compubox numbers. I believe you. And to Chacaroy, I've watched the Mayweather/Hatton fight numerous times. The punch that so called wobbled Floyd in the first round did not land. And, if you watch the action closely you will see that Floyd simply lost his footing. You couldn't even call it a slip because he didn't fall. Don't get me wrong. Because of the way the fight was commentated, I can see how there were a few occasions when one might have thought Hatton was doing something and he really wasn't. Holla.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 09:59:44 AM
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LatinoHeat:
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brownsugar hahahahha dream on dude,
we never believed the news the moment it got out, and sorry but that makes you less credible to say that his injury is legit because you read it somewhere else,
i will give you credit though if your the Doctor who examined him or should I say fakexamined him =)
I bet you would'nt even buy a tiket to that boring fight? hahahhaha
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:10:19 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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MP should make this Fraud wait after his next fight. Besides he might have ringrust which could be excuses when MP wins. I want to see the best of Mayweather take on MP so no excuses can be said. Go on with the fight with Marquez which is like a sparring session and then be ready to face the best fighter in the world. This has been might dream match since 3 years ago. Pacquiao-Mayweather dubbeb "Fight of the Century"
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:50:42 AM
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DaNumberMan:
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I think Mosley gets way too much credit. He looked horrible against Mayorga and Vargas and he lost to Cotto. He beat Margarito because Margarito comes into the ring with the same plan and no back up. He Comes forward and absorbs as many shots as neccessary to get inside and hopefully land his plaster fist. Mosley had a game plan and he stuck to it. People like Cotto can box, bang, run, switch lefty, play dirty and do whatever it takes to win. Cotto has fought 3 of the top WW and beaten 2. He would chew Berto up and spit him out. Win a decision against Floyd. Admittedly he would get crushed again PWill (but who WW wouldn't) Never mind that he beat the guy of beat P Will. Other than P Will (who I don't consider a WW) Cotto is the best WW hands down. He's a warrior and a smart boxer.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 11:31:48 AM
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THIS WRITER HAS TO BE A FILIPINO, BECAUSE HE KNOWS BETTER NOT TO MENTION MARQUEZ, JUST LIKE ALL FILIPINOS KEEP FORGETTING WHAT A WHOPPING MARQUEZ PUT ON PACQUIO, THEY CAN FIGHT 20 MORE TIMES AND MARQUEZ WOULD BEAT HEM MORE THE HALF OF THOSE FIGHTS, WHY DOSENT ROACH MENTION MARQUEZ AS HES NEXT OPPONENT....DONT BULL SHIT THAT MARQUEZ DOSENT DRAW CAUSE ANY BOXING AFFICIONADO KNOWS THAT WHEN A MEXICANS FIGHTS IN THE USA, MEXICANS DOMINATE THE BOXIING SCENERIO, THEY PACK STADIUMS LIKE KNOW OTHER.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 12:17:22 PM
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denz:
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wow. the best article and analysis i've read so far about recent boxing events. even the comments are great. boxing science it is!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 12:51:49 PM
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Perturbed:
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@ Jolly -Do you even watch boxing? To say that Cotto is the same as Hatton is laughable. 1.) Hatton doesn't have a jab and grabs throughout the whole fight. Cotto Has an effective jab and doesn't engage in grabbing at ALL!(unless of course you grab him first!) If you look at every fight of Cotto's you can see that he clearly doesn't know how to clinch which is to his detriment. (see: Margarito or Clottey fight) 2.) Cotto's is a welter with power.
If the fight is made I think it would be a great match. Many people who claim Manny would be able to KO Cotto within 5 rounds are delirious. He went 12 with Clottey/Mosley and went 11 with Margarito( plastered hands?). He is more than able to withstand Pac's punches. The only question then is : can Pac withstand the power that Cotto distributes ?
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:06:50 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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I didn't have the time earlier but now I do, so I wanted to say how delightful reading the regulars comments on here.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:22:27 PM
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DaveLB:
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So what happens when Pacquiao takes a beating from Cotto. What then? Maybe go back down to Lightweight and take on David Diaz again? In my opinion Pac hasn't taken on anyone worth a S*!t since Marquez . De Lahoya was washed up and Hatton has been overrated for too long. If Mayweather had taken it to Hatton like Manny did I'm sure he would also have taken him out early. If you truly are a fight fan you would be itching to see Marquez take it to Pac again. THAT'S what I'd like to see. Come on Pac don't wait 4 yrs before taking another beating. If you are going to go after welterweights then be a welterweight not some catch weight. Man up Manny!!! Mayweather has become a self proclaimed joke. He doesn't care about the sport and should just stay retired.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 01:35:41 PM
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Manny:
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The only thing that Ribby boy should do is go back to retirement. He does not deserve to get a fight with manny because he's just doing it for the money. There are so many fighters out there that deserves the fight much better than him.
If he gets the chance and wins this, he'll take away the flame of boxing and put it down by going back to retirement cause he's got lots o' money once again. Boxing will suffer if this Mad Cow gets his way. I hope you fans realize this.
He is talented... but he is not the torch bearer of the sport.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 02:08:44 PM
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i said it first since time immemorial and ill say it once again that there is no direct connection from retirement to pacquiao for mayrunner. the most possible way, and honorable if hes still concered for it, is to beat marquez, and beat him badly. i dont know why but in the corner of my mind, im thinking that that injury is just a reason, just a script mayrunner wanna play because he cant attract all the attention he wants. he wants to brag that he is still, if he ever was, the p4p king. that corner of my mind also predicted the showdown of pac vs hatton and annihilation of oscar when all people were talking about morales vs pac 3. d same corner of my mind also tells me a margarito and mayrunner fight and another pac vs marquez. remember these words. :)
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 03:02:16 PM
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Paulie Maliggnaggi tried out for American Idol:
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Paulie Malignaggi would destroy Pac, JMM and PBF!!....... Ha! Ha! Ha! Nah I'm just having fun but in all seriousness it ain't looking to good for the pretty boy, JMM might have to consider fighting someone else.. What the.. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA!! THEY SHOULD MAKE ALL FIGHTS THAT WAY 60-40 AT THE END OF THE BOUT THE WINNER GET'S 60%, IMAGINE HOW COMPETITIVE AND EXCITING THESE BOUTS WOULD BE. THAT'S GENIUS!!! Oh I forgot, F**k Golden Boy Promotions! Bunch of phonies..
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 07:04:06 PM
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If Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao actually fight in the future, and if Floyd beats him, I wonder where the 90% of all the BIG MOUTH writers, Floyd Mayweather Jr haters here will actualy be.........well, here. The reason why Floyd didn't fought Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, and now Manny Pacquiao is not "fear", is not "afraid", nor any other ridiculous explanations NONE of you non-fighters are easily writing here laying back, writing in the computers. The reason why he doesn't fight them is called: BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!! Floyd Mayweather Jr will never make deals with Top Rank as long as Robert Arum is the boss there. Will you ever make business with an enemy of yours? I don't think so. And about him fighting Marquez, well what you people want? For him to comeback from retirement to fight guys at the top of their games like Pacquiao (Not to mention, now he's Arum's lil' baby boy), and Shane Mosley (This fight will probably be made) right away after being a 1 and 1/2 year lay off? PLEASE!!!! Juan Manuel Marquez for him is just a TUNE-UP fight. And don't come with the "Ray Leonard did it with Hagler" argument. That was Ray Leonard. We're taking about Floyd Mayweather Jr. Keep on writing crap about Floyd Mayweather Jr, none of that will change his undefeated record, and his MAGNIFICENTLY OUTSTANDING skills in the ring.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 07:11:04 PM
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Yo Saltlover, cheers to you opinion. Everyone's got one and their loyalties, but it ain't cool to say pple dunno what they're talking b/c they're not professional boxers. That makes most boxing analysts (including larry merchant) and writers in that category, and only makes guys like Radam and SOHK and Real Talk, Pete steward or Mike Tyson or Joe Frazier "qualified" to form an opinion. Besides, even tho I'm not a pro boxer, i'm a martial artist, regardless, everyone's got their opinion and it doesn't mean they're all 100% wrong, or 100% right, a lot are in between. For example, the clottey fight, i was totally for clottey, some were right that cotto was a warrior, others were right that clottey would headbutt, i was right that cotto would lowblow, clottey worked his triple hook, cotto didn't knockout clottey, clottey was in his class... what i'm saying is, most of the pple who predicted were right in some regard, even the "non-fighters". That's all i'm saying, we don't all have to agree with each other, but we can respect each other's opinions, or if not, at least respect each other as human beings.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:32:01 PM
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Salt lover:
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Mister Lee, I read you. The part of what you wrote about people having different opinions, yeah man, I respect your comment and I agree with you 100%. But I think is wrong to criticize someone when we don't know the facts behind what's happening. In my opinion the reason why Floyd doesn't fight those guys, the people want, is because of business, not because he's afraid of nobody. If you're a real martial artist, then you must know, that after fighting many fights, you're not afraid of anybody. These guys have been on PPV match ups in front of millions of people. None of them are afraid of the other. Is just business. And if he really is indeed afraid of anybody, then I guess people are right, Hehehehehehe. But anyways, I agree totally with most of the things you wrote. Peace dude!!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:41:16 PM
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Boysen:
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Psst, Mayweather, according to Forbes Magazine, Pacquiao is the all-time money maker in boxing, and #6 among all athletes, with $40,000,000, Dela Hoya is #13 with $32,000,000. With his next fight he is going to make two times more than Dela Hoya. You're not on the list.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 08:45:22 PM
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Chacaroy@comeon, man. :
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They may know about Mayweather, but "identify with him?" Are you for real? Who wants to identify with him? Maybe only FLoyd Sr and his uncle.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 09:05:06 PM
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Salt lover:
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To Frank Lotierzo: I COMPLETELY disagree with various things you wrote. First off your part: "All one needs to do is ask themself what's a bigger fight -- Pacquiao vs. Cotto/Mosley/ Margarito or Mayweather vs. Cotto/Mosley/Margarito". Those fights are SPECULATIONS of yours that Pacquiao would sell more, that's not reality talking; maye he would sell more, maybe he won't. Unfortunately, what counts in negotiations are PAST numbers, not future assumptions of who would sell more. And the sad reality, if one thinks Pacquiao should get the bigger purse, is that Floyd sold MORE with De la Hoya and Ricky Hatton, than Pacquiao has, regardless of the different fight results. That's one probable reason why at first Arum didn't wanted to show the Pacquiao-Hatton PPV numbers in the first place. You all can mention Pacquiao's things in 2008, and now his last fight, but Floyd sold more with those two guys. Second: "Boxing fans enjoy seeing skilled fighters who are explosive more than they do skilled craftsmen. That's not Mayweather's fault it's just the way it is." WRONG!!! I use to have this discussion with donputo69 regarding Floyd's fighting style, and I still hold my statement: A TRUE boxing fan enjoys ALL fighting styles, from brawlers, to technically sounded fighters. Anyone who calls a fight "boring" is NOT a boxing fan. I enjoy brawlers and KO machines such as Frazier, Foreman, Cotto, Trinidad, just like I LOVE to see skilled sounded, defensive, counter-punching artists like Floyd, Whitaker, Ali and such. The only ones who call a fight "boring" are our wives and girfriends, and the casual people who watch boxing once or twice a year. And third: "That said, Cotto and Mosley have a much better chance of beating up and embarrassing Pacquiao than Mayweather does." LOL!!!!! I think you got it wrong, it's Cotto who's got the lesser chance of beating Pacquiao, than Mosley and Floyd. Because #1) He's gone through a lot of punishment, especialy his last fight, while Floyd is healthy from taking shots to the head. and #2) Pacquiao's poison in the ring, shown already by Juan Manuel Marquez, is great counter-punching. You don't have to be that fast, you don't have to hit that hard, you have great counter-punching skills and can box, and you'll make Pacquiao's life in the ring impossible. Cotto is a good fighter, but he's not a counter-puncher in the league of Floyd, Juan Manuel, and Mosley. Those, many other reasons are probably why the 'Roach' and his boy are going now straight to Cotto, instead of Mosley who's willing to give up BOTH purse and weight.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:10:35 PM
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Hahah.. Hey Salt Lover, sounds good. It's hard not to criticize Floyd b/c so much of what he does seems suspect or business oriented, but of course we will never know what really goes on in his brain, but i guess we fans just want it simple: find the hardest and biggest fight and make it happen! Floyd doesn't operate that way, and if he was unimportant or not very good we could ignore that fact, but he is very important, he is very good, and he's not giving us what we want at the moment, so fans, and ahem, anti-fans have a lot to complain about. As a martial artist, I can say i'm not afraid of everyone, but i'm not a professional fighter, if i ever become a professional fighter, which I MIGHT consider doing, than i'll let you know if i'm scared of certain pple. But ducking has gone on for much of fighting history, look at the hawk or marvelous, they were ducked many times, or williams, or margarito.... so we can't say for sure if someone is ducking them or not. But anyway, much respect to you. Take care. tss rules!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:15:39 PM
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The one thing you mentioned that I agree with you is that, if Pacquiao fights Cotto and beats him, that will indeed will cause some problems to Floyd, since it woudn't look good for him to beat Juan Manuel Marquez, even though Lightweight Champion and #2 P4P, while Pacquiao wins over a top Welterweight. However, even still, Floyd could answer by fighting Shane Mosley, who finished Margarito in 9 rounds. You see? Summarizing, I think you Floyd Mayweather Jr has plenty of more options than you think. Besides, like I wrote, Juan Manuel Marquez is a TUNE-UP fight for him. He's not gonna comeout from a year and half layoff, and fight guys at the top of their games right away, wouldn't you agree? Floyd Mayweather Jr will do his thing pretty soon, people.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:17:07 PM
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Salt lover:
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Hehehehehehe, same here bro. Peace Mr. Lee!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:19:09 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Salt, Money may be about business but he is also transparently about fame and legacy. Every legendary Prizefighter was/is about business. That's a given. In life we make choices. Floyd has made great ones so far and his undefeated record is proof. But legends in boxing aren't made by the fortunes they made or lost. If that was the case, the list would be never ending. They are made by defining battles. Battles against the consensus determined top opponents at the time. Ali had to fight Frazier.....three times...including the rubber match in Manila. The public demanded it. Leonard-Hearns had to happen. And did...... thus inscribing SRL's (and tommy's) name forever in history. Tyson would fight anyone. Holyfield, my god. Small but absolutely fearless. Floyd has skills nonpariel. But if, given the rep he himself established and earned, avoids calling out.....insisting on....taking on a beating the top welters today, then I'm sorry but him, his perfect record and his place in history will be forgotten as soon as he steps out of the ring for good. pc
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:19:11 PM
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*CORRECTION: Those, and many other reasons are probably why Freddie Roach'and Pacquiao are going now straight to Cotto, instead of Mosley who's willing to give up BOTH purse and weight.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:22:23 PM
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Salt lover:
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Yeah, Fe'Roz, I read you. I think another thing is (And it's part of what you're traying to say, and I agree) that Floyd uses his undefeated record to prove why he's the best ever. The interview with Brian Kenny, he used this to say why he's a better fighter than Pacquiao, considering Pacquiao's losses were some time ago. I also think fighters' greatness are defined with great Victories over great opponents. Yeah, that I can agree. But I think it's inaccurate to judge him when there's business involved. He's his own boss, unlike Cotto and/or Pacquiao, and many other big, huge stars (Except De la Hoya) that they have to do what their promoters say. So obviously he himself, must have a good business relations with many people to make those fights happen. That's something fans don't understand, and soon they start saying he's afraid, he's running, he's hiding and stuff. But yeah, I agree with what you say about he muts do something and fast. Well, even if people forget him, I won't HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! But anyways, good writings Fe'Roz. I agree with you completely.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 10:32:57 PM
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Salt lover:
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Damn! I wrote to much, Hehehehehehehe.
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 11:01:57 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Salt, Sleep well my brother. We'll have more to talk about tomorrow. pc
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 11:17:43 PM
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To Salt:
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Pls put in your email!
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 11:36:24 PM
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rob:
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Guys guys. Maybe PBF should fight PBF, and he can take a 60/40 split and all pay-per-view 50/50. Hahaha.. He'll sell more tickets than Pee-wee Herman vs. Jaba the Hut... What do you think of that?
Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 11:40:26 PM
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marco:
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i am the number! contender 4 pacquiao
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 03:30:46 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Salt, PBF is plain scared straight to face guys like Pacquiao, Cotto, and Mosley. If it's business you say then he would have held the cards before he retired. I'm not buying all this business crap, he's just plain fearfull of these guys. He said it himself when he announce his retirement that he had nothing left to prove. As if he just defeated a giant. Most of you Mayfans were hoping that he retire after that bout to keep his undefeated record intact and fearful that guys like Cotto and Margarito were a mandatory matchups. I didn't hear none of you guys screaming for a Cotto or a Margarito matchup. I say that's protecting your fighter, and what happened Cotto, Marg, and Mosley ended up fighting each other. He might have a big brain but he has tiny balls. @DaveLB or DaveB, I hope you're a clone because you don't know what you're talking about. Fighting D.Diaz again? I'm not going to even comment on that.
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 08:26:53 AM
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#1 Pacfan, this comment of your was just plain low, and you left the maturity you showed until now. First off, these guys are not scared to fight anybody. They have on PPV cards, and they have fought ALL their lifes, you actually BELIEVE Floyd is "scared" of any of them?? To think a fighter (Be it Floyd, Cotto, Pacquiao, Mosley, any of 'em), who've been a World Champions, and have been fighting for 10+ years (Excpet for Cotto but even still) are "scared" or "afraid" of another is just plain childish. You're not buying the business "crap" (I can't believe you're calling business crap HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! That shows how much you about this)? Well, boxing IS a business for them. It's not just a sport for them anymore, and ignoring that clearly shows you don't understand nothing of it. And about Floyd fans SUPPOSEDLY protecting him and not wanting him to fight Cotto and Margarito and the such, I for one (Yeah, cuz you're writing as if we all have one voice) never wrote I'm happy to see Floyd leave. He said has had nothing left to prove, and well, guess what?: he's back. Sure, I want to see him against Cotto, Pacquiao, Mosley and such, but I also understand that there's a business part in this sport intervines and affects the decisions making. I'm not just gonna criticize him without ANALYZING what's going on behind the iron courtain, like the rest majority of you boxing "experts" are doing.
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 10:03:48 AM
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Salt lover:
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Sorry TSS, here's my e-mai
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 10:04:30 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Salt, Look back in the Archives and you'll find your post as to quoting, "I'm happy for Floyd in this win and I would like for him to retire now and enjoy his life and family." Might not be accurate but that's the picture. I know this sport is about business, isn't everything just about business. But to use that as an excuse to not fighting those guys is absolutely wrong. Floyd was offered, he was called out, and the majority of us fans, writers, and commentators craved for him to face the true test. I know saying he's scared to fight these guys is low but I've used ducking long enough and needed a new word. I'll let you have the last word on this Salt, good writings...on to the next page.Payce.
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 10:49:47 AM
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Vince:
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You all talk about PBF handpicking his opponents.We all know Cotto's on his last foot.Now Pacman is willing to fight him at 147 but not the man who beat the man,SSM or PBF at 147.Where is the outrage,if it was PBF you all would say he's scared or avoiding a man who can beat him or making him fight at a catch weight.By the way this is the 2nd out 3 fights Pacman has pick to fight a champion who is probably is the least threat to him.
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 08:23:45 PM
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Theboyb901:
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@Vince - These people will never see any wrong in Pac, because everything he does is RIGHT and everything Floyd does is WRONG. They're brainwashed. Excuses will flame when Pac is defeated.
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 11:32:16 PM
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@ Vince:
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First off, Manny is just being smart. He is fighting Cotto because it's probably the safest fight and also the most lucrative, considering Cotto's huge fan base. Pacman probably has 2-3 more fights in him, so it would be smart to take the safest fights before getting into the more risky. So he'll fight SSM or Mayweather next. I guess yall can call it cherrypicking but in the end he will still fight SSM or PBF maybe both! iIt's just sad that Pacman is fighting a legitimate Welter before Mayweather is.
Friday Jun 19, 2009 01:50:36 AM
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Vince:
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What you mean he's never fought a legit welter,didn't he fight and beat the man who beat the man at the time,Baldomair and Judah.I don't wanna hear that he didn't fight a legit welter.
Friday Jun 19, 2009 04:58:37 PM
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MisterLee:
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Floyd Mayweather: a great fight, a potential greatest of our era, undefeated, definitely a future hall of famer... not a GOAT, and his resume stinks. Really, objectively compare his resume to that of De la Hoya, mosley, pacquiao, cotto, margarito, or clottey. Out of the top welterweights now, only berto has a crappier resume than Floyd. It doesn't take away from Floyd's skills, but he has unfinished business.
Friday Jun 19, 2009 06:55:30 PM
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MisterLee:
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Zab Judah has faced opposition than Floyd: he fought: floyd mayweather, baldomir, cotto, clottey, (almost mosley). I do not believe Floyd has fought any fighter in his own weight division that has ever been considered on the top 10 p4p best fighter in the word list. Fighting number 1 ranked fighters are nothing compared to fighters that are considered the best regardless of their weight division. pc out!
Friday Jun 19, 2009 06:58:24 PM
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MisterLee:
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Zab Judah has BETTER faced opposition than Floyd:
Friday Jun 19, 2009 06:58:35 PM
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Real Talk playing mediator:
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Let cut through the greens and gravy and get straight to the meat . @ Salt , I agree with most of what you post accept the "Bobfather is his enemy so he shouldn't negotiate with them ) . That's BS to me an a lame excuse . One thing about that though he would have to get the KO , pitch a shutout or win convincingly or he takes an L . Simply because the Bobfather's got the judges in his pocket . Evident in lopsided decision to Cotto an a couple others over the years I won't go into . I also dissagree with you on fighters not being afraid of other fighters . Fear hits every man alive fear of losing , fear of embarressment , fear of financial hit , etc . You can see the fear in some of the fighters eyes as they pose for the pictures . The stairdown !!! Tyson fed off of fear from his opponents for years . @ #1 Pacfan , I don't think Floyd was afraid or ducking Margacheato . I accept that he was chasing Oscar who was the biggest draw in boxing as well as a superstar . Why fight somebody who's barely known outside of purist circles, when you can ascend to the top of the mountain and grab the golden goose . That opportunity comes once in a lifetime to few , an a L would have put that further from his grasp . This is a business first , when you're risking your long term health you should get paid as much as possible . When you train that hard and STARVE you should get paid as much as possible for it . @ MisterLee , you make more gaffs with your comments than Joe Biden . Floyd has a crappy resume and Zab Judahs is better ....huh ? You cool with me but WOW ??? P4p aint nothing but a poularity contest and is anything . Jab Judah got punished by the Cinderella man who Floyd boxed circles around with one hand . In closing , Floyd is reluctant to face a Top Rank fighter because if it's close he knows what can happen . We all do and he doesn't want to be beaten by Bob Arum . Peace n Blessings
Saturday Jun 20, 2009 03:18:44 PM
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Real Talk:
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staredown
Saturday Jun 20, 2009 03:33:20 PM
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@ Realtalk:
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Misterlee never said Zab was a better boxer than PBF.. he stated Zab has faced the better opposition and thats Real. Talking about gaffs.. who is saying that Bob controls the score cards? Faketalk
Saturday Jun 20, 2009 08:48:41 PM
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boxingfan:
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PACQUIAO vs COTTO: Both fighters are prone to headbutts because they like to charge in. Cotto will get cut by accidental headbutt in the early rounds and with his vision affected, Pacquiao will not be as lazy as Clottey and unleash hell. Pacquiao by TKO victory in the middle rounds when Cotto runs out of steam. Cotto is not a fighter that can go the distance.///\\\
PACQUIAO vs MOSLEY: Mosley will not be able to make the weight even if he tried. And if he does by some miracle, Mosley will get destroyed just like Oscar did from the effects of cutting weight. Mosley should put up a better fight than Oscar, but Pacquiao's stamina will out-last Mosley at that weight. Pacquiao by UD. People will ask "Why doesn't Pacquiao just move up in weight?" I say "You have absolutely no clue about WTF you're talking about if you don't understand the differences in weight."///\\\
PACQUIAO vs MAYWEATHER: Yes, Mayweather will run around the ring and dance away from Pacquiao's fire, but will eventually get caught. Mayweather's chin has never seen fists like Pacquiao's. All Pacman has to do is stop Mayweather's legs by going to the body. Pacquiao by KO victory in the late rounds.///\\\
Saturday Jun 27, 2009 08:02:45 AM
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jun:
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I think one of the reason they postponed floyd and juna manuel fight is up to now, they could not get the sale of ticket they expected. Well floyd if you are d best, why not fight the number one pound for pound who have fight in different weight class and fight boxers with name. It's MANNY PACQUIAO. THANKS.
Monday Jul 6, 2009 03:12:47 PM
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Gee Whiz:
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Alright Alright..i read enough. You critics are sick with it. pac man is a good fighter and so is Hatton, Mosley and Cotto. But if Michael Jackson was a boxer he would be Floyd Mayweather... that's right Floyd is the Michael Jackson of Boxing! Often imitated but not dup. Check it... every big bout he had, there was doubt in everyone's mind and what did he do..erase that doubt. God bless him, Diego was great fighter who could take a punch charged forward and floyed whip him going backwards..Hatton a great boxer, which made Dela Hoya stated " I fought Floyed and i witness Hatton fight, he has the style to beat floyd.. and now here it is most of you critics are saying Pacman has power he is fast... he punches with both hands..well let me remind you that floyd also uses both hands... and he is a person that takes" away all of and opponents bullets" with that said lets start the fight. But keep in mind Pac man is no walk in the park and Floyd realizes that.. hence the tune up. i look forward to floyd opening up a can of Kick but on Pacman and so do you.. the critics.... you are just to much of a hater to admit it~!!!!
Monday Jul 6, 2009 10:07:55 PM
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LadyFanOfBoxing:
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Pacman is retiring and it won't be long for Mayweather to bid the arena goodbye regardless of how he thinks he can make a good comeback. Between these two, I would rather that the fighter who will go down in history as the best P4P King is someone who showed respect to his opponents by not speaking ill of them, untouched by psychological war fare, and one who showed real boxing skills without having to resort to dirty tactics - one who who has the heart of a true warrior. Who comes close to embody this as respect for the sport itself is being exploited by the promoters?
Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 09:47:16 AM
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Not Hip To The Hype
"Haye has said that without the hype, boxing is boring. This tells you something about him as a fighter and as a man. And maybe something about his low expectations of his own value as a fighter. Why isn't his skill good enough? Which audience is he trying to impress? When I watch fights, I watch the contest, the skill, the drama, the match-up. Screw the circus hype."---TSS reader Mortcola, giving thumbs down on David Haye and his pre-fight antics
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