The Sweet Science
HOME ABOUT CONTACT
EnglishRussianChineseItalianDeutchFrenchSpanishPortugueseJapaneseKorean
The Sweet Science Boxing
Boxing Podcast Boxing RSS 
foreman


Saturday Jun 6, 2009

This is a photo of second incarnation George, the burger chompin' jester. Will his son turn out to be like the first version of George, the second, or like most second gen pugilists: a bust?

      Print this article     Email this article

George Foreman Is Back...Sort Of

By Ron Borges

“Monk’’ Foreman certainly recognized the guy standing in the ring across from him that first day of sparring in Houston so many months ago but he didn’t really know him. Not that guy he didn’t.

 

The 26-year-old son of two-time heavyweight champion George Foreman knew his father as well as anyone. He had been his business manager for several years since graduating from Rice University and had traveled the road with him in his second reincarnation as heavyweight champion and later during his years as an HBO boxing analyst.

 

But who was this guy glowering over at him from across the room? He looked like his father but something was different. Dangerously different.

 

“Normally he walks into the gym, wraps my hands, talks to me,’’ young George Edward Foreman III said as he rode in the back of a camper this week heading from Houston to Kinder, La., where he will make his pro debut at 26, today, in a four-round heavyweight fight at Coushatta Casino Resort.

 

“This day he comes in and he wouldn’t even look at me. No smile. No tips. No greeting. He just walked over and started to put on his headgear and wrap his hands. He kept glowering at me. That intimidated me.

 

“We got in to spar and the first thing my Dad did was throw a lead right hand over my jab. Hit me right in the head. I felt his power. He just pulverized me. He can still punch like a mule. He made me pay for every mistake I made so I started to use my legs.’’

 

All his life George Foreman took punches so his kids wouldn’t have to. He won the heavyweight title as a young man before losing it to Muhammad Ali in an African jungle in the middle of the night and then came back after a 10-year layoff and won it a second time, becoming at 45 the oldest man to ever win the heavyweight crown.

 

He never wanted any of his 10 children to box but when his second oldest boy (one of five named George) told him just over a year ago that he had been secretly training for months and harbored a long-hidden desire to box, the father understood what he had to do. He had to let him, but not without first making painfully clear to him the choice he was making.

 

“I never wanted my kids to do this,’’ Foreman said from the front of the motor home taking him and his son to Louisiana. “No way. I would never have gone for that because I know how rough it can be for a human being in boxing.

 

“But I told them all once they got their college degrees they could do what they wanted. I just never thought it would be this.

 

“At first I didn’t really get it. I didn’t take him seriously but my wife said I better get down to the gym and watch him. I took him to the ranch out in Marshall (well west of Houston) and made him go through the same grueling workouts I did. Chopping wood, digging ditches, pulling a jeep up the hill with it strapped to you.

 

“When he pulled that Jeep for a few weeks in Marshall I knew he wanted this. There was no one to help him. He had to get down sometimes and crawl to pull it. He did it.’’

 

Yet even after his son had proven his desire there was still the matter of what happens when you are in the ring with, as Foreman used to call himself during his days as heavyweight champion, “a predator.’’ Nothing can really prepare you for that. Nothing but the real thing, which was Big George himself.

 

“When you get in the ring with the ex-heavyweight champion of the world if that don’t frighten you nothing will,’’ Foreman said. “Before my first professional fight I got in with Sonny Liston. I took one look at him and I knew I didn’t want to make the guy angry.

 

“He tried to get me. He tried to take my head off with his jab. I did the same think with Monk. He got the true atmosphere.’’

 

He also got the Foreman seal of approval. Father admits he has no idea yet how his son will fare in the most difficult and dangerous sporting endeavor on Earth but he has agreed to train him and the two have been working at the George Foreman Youth Center around the corner from Foreman’s church and ministry offices daily to be ready for the moment that will come against Clyde Weaver Saturday night.

 

Unlike his father, who had 25 amateur fights before winning the Olympic gold medal in 1968, the son has no amateur fights. He tried to get some over the last year but it turned out no one wanted to fight a 6-5, 240-pound guy named George Foreman III.

 

He was bigger than his Dad had been when he first won the title in 1973 (217 ½ pounds) by knocking Joe Frazier down six times before referee Arthur Mercante stopped the fight, rawer than his dad because this is the first time he will be in the ring with the lights on bright and far removed from the harsh upbringing that spawned his Dad.

 

George Foreman was a legend around the Fifth Ward in Houston, a hard piece of ghetto real estate he ruled with treachery and fear. Foreman was the kind of kid who hurt people. His son, by all accounts, is as sweet tempered as his father was angry.

 

He is a son of privilege, a young man who went to a private military prep school and then one of the elite colleges of the south, Rice University. These are not addresses that produce prizefighters and his father acknowledges that.

 

But then he quickly dismisses the thought that growing up the son of a wealthy man will decide anything about what kind of fighter he becomes.

 

“It’s all about do you want to fight,’’ the elder Foreman said. “Coming up rough is not a passport to a title. I fought a lot of guys who came up rough but they didn’t want to fight.

 

“He had a privileged life. To him the world is a nice place. I had a lot of anger. He doesn’t have that but he doesn’t have a lot of the baggage that comes with that either.

 

“I wanted to knock people out and get a lot of money and fame. He’s not thinking about that. This is a sport to him. He wants to be the best he can be at it. He wants to be a BOXER. All I did was swing. He wants to be a gigantic Sugar Ray Robinson.’’

 

The younger Foreman’s style is far different from his father. He moves, jabs, uses his legs and his mind more than his power. His father had the thunder, boxing’s great equalizer. The son is lightning.

 

Or so he hopes to be.

 

“At home I was always the quiet guy,’’ the younger Foreman said, “so my family was surprised when I said I wanted to be a boxer. But it’s always been in my mind.

 

“My Mom doesn’t like it one bit but boxing has brought a lot of opportunity to our family. When I finally told my Dad I wanted to step into the ring I knew what it was about. I saw all he went through. Denying yourself all your pleasures. Rubbing Ben-Gay all over your body. He knew I knew how hard a business it was.

 

“Once he said he’d train me I thought ‘Here we go!’ He’s never made anything easy for us even though we had a life of privilege.

 

“I first started training a little bit in California. No one knew who I was. I just told them my name was Monk. I think I used my mother’s maiden name. I just paid the membership and started to train.

 

“In Houston, I knew he’d find out. I was boxing at his gym, one block from the church. It wasn’t that smart but this is the natural sport for me. I played football, basketball, lacrosse. I liked those sports but this is one man versus one man. To me, boxing is a sport of self-defense. I’m pretty elusive.’’

 

Tonight will be the first real test of that elusiveness. Weaver (0-1) will be in the ring looking for him for four rounds or less. He will be there to punish the son of a champion and maybe make a little name for himself around the Louisiana backwoods.

 

That name will cause many to smirk and many more to constantly compare the raw tools of the son with the razor sharp ones they remember of his father. The name he carries will be a burden as well as a key that unlocks doors others had to fight harder to open.

 

Yet George Edward Foreman III is philosophical about that as he seems to be about most things. Boxing is what he wants and having his father in his corner and sharing his name on his robe can’t hurt. At least not if he can fight.

 

“I could have been Jeffrey Dahmer III,’’ the young Foreman says with the same sense of humor his father used to make himself millions when he came back to boxing at 38 in 1987. “This is better.’’

 

Looking across the ring tonight at Clyde Weaver will be better too. Better than looking across at his father that first sparring session in Houston, a father with a look on his face he’d never seen before.

 

“He’s starting from the bottom but he’s really good,’’ his father said. “He’s got a tough road to climb. Some people won’t understand. All they know is me knocking out Joe Frazier. He’s got to fight that. He’s not that George Foreman. He’s got  to establish his own identity.

 

“This is a journey. We’ll take it one step at a time. It’s like walking through a new back door for me in boxing. It’s kind of exciting. If he was 18, 19 I think this would bother me. I couldn’t take him getting hurt.

 

“But he’s 26. This is a man thing now so I think I can deal with it. To train him you have to divorce yourself from that ‘This is my son’ stuff. I have to back off and let him be the fighter and respect him as an athlete. I’m totally in the blind on this.

 

“I know he works hard. He has the drive inside to fight. He will fight. But we’ll have to see how he responds. This is like baking a German chocolate cake. It’s one of the most difficult to make. You mix the ingredients, put it in the oven and hope for the best but you don’t know until it comes out what you got.

 

“He already drives a Bentley, so I don’t know what his goals are.’’

 

George Foreman III, known in the gym as Monk, knows. They are the same ones his father had 41 years ago after he left the Olympics in Mexico City to turn pro. He wants to win.

 

 

add to Facebook add to Myspace add to Digg add to Mixx add to Linkedin add to Yahoo Buzz


MisterLee:  Damn. Let's see what he's made of.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 01:00:13 PM
the Roast:  Kind of late to start boxing but with that name and that size, #3 could go real far real fast. Go get em, Monk! Best of luck.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 05:47:04 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  No!@ the Roast. Monk has been messing around and kind of training since he was a small kid. (His dad made him do the books instead of the squared jungle.) This big cat has some juice -- big juice on that big body. What he may lack is the determination, discipline and detire. The kid is spoiled. Big George spoiled all his kids, especially the one reared in his home. With all that rambling I just did, word is: Is that Monk has the funk -- da boxing funk, da smell! Holla!
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 08:25:35 PM
the Roast:  I hear you, Radam. This can be a problem with rich kids. When push comes to shove, some of these types take the easy way out. You never know. Maybe the young man will be different. That name will open some doors, thats for sure.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 09:18:23 PM
ali:  He's going to suck I don't think he has his heart in it Boxing is something you can't play with you either you take it very serious or don't do it at all.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 10:19:31 PM
MisterLee:  One of my favorite quotes of all time: "Vitali Tsypko is not a bad fighter, but everything else being equal, you can’t expect the son of a vascular surgeon to beat a Mexican who used to work in a Jack in the Box. It’s not a fair fight. …"
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 10:34:27 PM
the Roast:  Hey Caveman, the Roast just watched the strikeforce event. I freakin liked it! I cant believe it! That Arlovski dude that you have talked about got whacked out in about 25 seconds. There was a real good fight between Nick Diaz ( my new favorite MMA guy ) and Scott Smith or something like that. I may be a convert. As Andy from Newcastle said, something to watch on the saturdays with no boxing. I checked out the Savage Science site during the card and it was like a live chat room or something. It was way fun.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 10:49:32 PM
Luis:  So he'll get a title shot at what, 50? This is a joke, but with the division in its current state, he may just be wearing all the straps in 2019 or 2020, and we heard it here first.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 12:46:21 PM
MisterLee @ the Roast:  Welcome to the world of MMA! Tho it may not always be as pretty as boxing, it has much more variety in styles skills and fights than boxing. If you haven't seen the recent Machida vs. Evans fight, check it out, it's a classic! I definitely recommend watching Sakuraba, "Gracie Killer", he beat every member of the gracie family, and he does funny things like in his 1.5 hour match with Royce Gracie, he sometimes would try pulling down gracie's pants, or pull his gi out of his belt or do pro wrestling moves like the "mongolian chop" (like clapping hands and chopping down with both hands at the same time hahha...). He also beat Quinton Rampage Jackson back in the day, and sakuraba really only weights about 160 or 170, so he was fighting other pple that outweighed him by 30-40 lbs. or more! They called him the "IQ fighter". Glad you enjoyed it. Maybe we can make some discussion on this topic, to everyone's chagrin here on TSS. Ultimoshogun seems to know his stuff too, he just introduced me to two new pple! Pc out! Machida and ward 09!
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 01:21:32 PM
brownsugar:  MMA can be entertaining,.. but you wont find anyone who can kick to head like Bruce Lee,.. mostly guys kicking at calves and swinging sloppily for the fences,.. before the fight degrades into a boring lump of man-flesh on the ground writhing around for dominance,.. I'm surprised there arent any serious career ending injuries with the knees flying everywhere,.. I expected to see teeth flying, hips getting dislocated and ribs breaking during every fight,.. but the sport is evolving,.. my son is not only a fan,.. but an expert MMA historian,. so I have to watch it from time to time...
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 01:40:38 PM
MisterLee:  Bruce Lee is overrated, plus he would never kick someone in the head except in a movie. Even he admitted that his movie fighting was totally impractical, his first defense would always be a side kick to the kneecap "the longest weapon agst the nearest target". Youtube "longstreet" and "bruce lee" to see his clip and explanation. Even tho I"m not a big fan of Bruce Lee, Dana white himself said bruce lee was the father of mma, since he studies kung fu, karate, tae kwon do, ju jitsu, wrestling, boxing etc... he know how to ground fight too (he did some in movies, enter the dragon opening scene he arm barred samo hung, return of the dragon in the second to last fight scene he did a double leg take down and punched Robert Wall in the groin). My fave modern day warriors are machida, anderson silva, liu hai long of chinese sanda, sakuraba of PRIDE, buakraw of K1, and maybe Cung Le of strikeforce, I think anyone of those guys coulda given the "great" movie star Bruce Lee a run for his money. Bruce Lee grew up in a environment in which martial artist didn't believe in lifting weights or running or cross training, and believed in the "death touch" and all that crap. Anyway, that's my two cents, I think these modern warriors are much more skilled than appears to the eye, and a real fight ain't supposed to be pretty, Bruce Lee himself said that (his first martial arts challenge ended on the ground wth him on top of a guy punching him in the leg and butt until the guy gave up).
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 02:16:37 PM
the Roast:  Tonight on Versus network there is a rematch between Brown and Faber. It's a big fight in MMA world. I'm gonna go on savage science and chat. Some dude was doing play by play on there last night so I got in there and said stuff. It was fun. You should get on later Caveman. You would dig it. Do you have Versus?
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 02:27:21 PM
MIsterLee@ the Roast:  Yo dude! Nah man! I got a Russell Peters show to attend to tonight! that guy cracks me up! Plus i don't have cable, but maybe I should hit up Hooters again like last time, i went for the machida fight, no extra charge, just have to buy food. If it's heard to be a good fight i'l watch it. It's sad with arlovski, for a while, he rulesed the UFC heavyweight division with an iron fist, the most athletic, fast, and agile heavyweight there was, he moved like a middle or welterweight, and he beat TIm Syliva the first fight, and almost KO'd him the second fight, but sylvia came back and beat him, and did so again in the 3rd fight, and thus he was just chinny chin since then, and he just kept getting knocked out! I guess his career is over, i was hoping to see him on a boxing card this year, but looks like his fight career is over, he would make a good coach as his technique and skills are superb, just that his chin sucks. Too bad! thanks for the update! Thanks for the invite tho! i'll check it out next time! My fave MMA sites are fighthype, and some new one called insidefights. Thanks for the update, see ya!
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 02:34:15 PM
Real Talk yeeeeeeaaaaaahh I'm getting Money Oooooooowwww:  And New !!!!! ....... Ok I'm getting ahead of myself . New generation of heavyweights from America . I can't wait to see what GF3's got . 1 things for certain 2 things for sure , he can draw crowds because of the name his father built . If he's got the goods this brings a lot of juice to the Heavyweight division . I'm hoping he gets on Friday night fights soon . Dueces
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 03:59:24 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  @Real Talk, go to Youtube and see GFlll da Monk with da Funk! Holla!
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 04:14:05 PM
ultimoshogun @ brownsugar:  If you wanna see some great head kick KO's look up Mirko Crocop on youtube. He's in a bit of a slump right now but he's one of my all time favorites. Best high kick in the game.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 05:13:20 PM
ultimoshogun @ brownsugar:  Preferably: Mirko Crocop by Surfrider. Good HL video.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 06:14:16 PM
MisterLee @ ultimoshogun:  Cung Le, breaks Shamrock's arm, that's a highlight for me. :) Good stuf guys! High kicks are overrated in my opinion, just like a huge overhand right, you miss, if the opponent's any good, they'll make you pay. Pc out!
Monday Jun 8, 2009 01:34:45 AM
#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":  I'm happy to hear that another fighter by the name of George Foreman is entering the sport of boxing. I sure hope big George Sr. past on some good genes because heck we are in need of some new young talent in the Heavyweight division.
Monday Jun 8, 2009 11:13:44 AM
eric :  “He already drives a Bentley, so I don’t know what his goals are.’’ great quote---miss george sr. on the air---dead on borges.
Tuesday Jun 9, 2009 11:03:14 AM

Name: Email:  (will not be displayed, TSS Privacy, your email is required to autoapprove your comment)

Please be respectful, and do not use foul language in your comment

Discuss this article in the forum

  THESWEETSCIENCE.COM   More from the Top Team of Writers in the Fight Game ...
 
More from this Writer
Columns by Ron Borges
 
Recent boxing Columns and News
•  There’s Nothing Magical About Manny Pacquiao’s Improvement by Frank Lotierzo
•  K2 Dynasty: And Now, For the Next Stadium "Superfight" by Phil Woolever
•  Cunningham-Godfrey Fight Postponed by Michael Woods
•  TSS Prospect Watch Update: Karim Mayfield by Raymond Markarian
•  Mosley Congratulates, Then Slams Manny For Putting Viewers To Sleep
•  Golden Boy Signs East L.A.’s Frankie Gomez by David A. Avila
•  Must-See TV? Not Yet, Anyhow by Bernard Fernandez
 
 


TSS Video
Roger and Floyd Mayweather in LA talking about Mosley fight
  
Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins smack talking in L.A.
  
Oscar De La Hoya on Mosley-Mayweather fight and Manny Pacquiao
  
More Video
TSS Photo Archive

TSS Photo Archive

Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.

Round by Round Coverage
Manny Pacquiao v. Miguel Cotto
Fight aficionados, tune in for live, round by round coverage of the Manny Pacquiao v. Miguel Cotto welterweight championship on Saturday, November 14th beginning at 9 pm ET / 6 pm PT.

The Sweet Science Writers
The Sweet Science
Legal  | Privacy  |  Sitemap  |  Disclaimer  |  The Savage Science © 2004-2007 The Sweet Science Boxing.  All rights reserved. .