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The Shane Mosley-Manny Pacquiao Chronicles
By David A. Avila
Without firing a single punch Sugar Shane Mosley fought his way back to the Manny Pacquiao sweepstakes with a challenge heard around the world.
In a sweeping campaign blitz that encompassed contacting boxing web sites, newspapers and television stations, Pomona’s Mosley, the current WBA welterweight titleholder and future Hall of Fame inductee, concocted a plan that hit home.
Pacquiao, the number one fighter in the world according to most Pound for Pound listings, was seen and heard on a video from a Philippine news company agreeing to fight Mosley if terms can be mutually agreed on.
Of course, that’s another hoop to jump through.
Meanwhile in Hollywood, California, at the Wild Card Boxing gym, master trainer Freddie Roach unraveled his interpretation of the various doors open to Pacquiao. A number of choices are available to Team Pacquiao.
“The easiest fight is (Floyd) Mayweather,” said Roach in between rounds while his young charge Amir Khan sparred with various boxers as he prepares for his showdown against WBA junior welterweight titleholder Andriy Kotelnik on June 27 in England. “Shane Mosley is the hardest fight.”
One other fighter is in the running for Pacquiao and that is Puerto Rico’s Miguel Cotto, who fights next week against Joshua Clottey in New York City on June 13.
“Cotto is the second hardest fight but he’s in for a tough struggle against Clottey,” said Roach.
As the Cotto fight loomed, more and more mention of the former junior welterweight and welterweight titleholder as the next Pacquiao opponent caused a ripple of concern with Mosley.
“I’m the WBA welterweight champion, not Cotto,” said Mosley, adding that when he beat Cotto’s victor (Antonio Margarito) last January, that should end all debate. “I deserve to fight Manny Pacquiao.”
If you know Mosley then you realize that for the Pomona fighter to step forward with demands outside of the ring is very un-Mosley.
“Why should he (Cotto) get that fight? He’s not the number one guy, I’m the number one guy,” exclaimed Mosley while in Los Angeles. “With me, he’s (Pacquiao) fighting for the world title and for the people. Filipinos want to see this fight.”
When news this week reached the Philippines that Mosley was pushing for a match with the current Pound for Pound king, a GMA news team found Pacquiao in a restaurant and asked him if he would consider the match with the Pomona speedster.
Pacquiao told the Philippine news station GMA that he was willing to meet Mosley’s challenge if terms could be negotiated and agreed by both parties. Pacquiao is promoted by Top Rank and to a smaller percentage by Golden Boy Promotions.
Top Rank’s Bob Arum did not return a call on Friday but Golden Boy’s CEO Richard Schaefer did earlier.
A match with Mosley and Pacquiao suits Golden Boy as does a match between the winner of Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez on July 18 in Las Vegas.
“It’s a great position to be in because they are all great fights,” said Schaefer on Thursday. “Even a Cotto fight would be good.”
Mayweather returned from retirement to fight Mexico City’s Marquez who has never fought at the welterweight level. He’s never fought at the junior welterweight level but is willing to move up two weight divisions to fight the former Pound for Pound champion.
“Marquez could give Mayweather a lot of trouble,” said Roach, who has seen Pacquiao battle with him twice. “I would have to say Marquez is the smartest fighter today. He’s like a scientist. Mayweather has never faced adversity like Marquez did when he was knocked down three times. He has always picked and chosen easy fights. He’s never faced adversity like Marquez.”
Another factor not in Mayweather’s favor is his penchant for negotiating outrageous terms.
“Mayweather is not going to get a 60/40 split against us,” Roach said. “If anyone is going to get 60/40 it's Manny.”
When all the factors are added up the winner looks to be Mosley.
“It very well could be Shane Mosley if he’s willing to accept a 60/40 split,” said Roach while thinking about the match. “And if he’s willing to drop the weight to 142.”
Pacquiao arrives in Los Angels either on Saturday or Sunday and then flies to New York to attend the Boxing Writers Association dinner where he will be awarded the Fighter of the Year trophy.
“I will probably meet with Manny and Bob Arum to discuss the possibilities,” said Schaefer. “We’re on good speaking terms with Bob Arum and that’s how we’re able to put on these great fights that people want to see.”
Mosley says people want Pacquiao to fight him.
“They should want the best fight out there,” Mosley said on Friday. “The best fighters fight each other.”
Mosley watched the video of the Philippine news team interviewing Pacquiao and had someone translate the Pound for Pound champion’s response. Though he knows Pacquiao is willing to accept the challenge, he also knows that negotiations have not even begun.
“Manny wants to retire anyway, so he might as well fight me and fight the best,” said Mosley, adding that Pacquiao is the deserving Pound for Pound champion. “I’ll definitely accept the 60/40 split in his favor.”
That might be the clincher.
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wilmer vinz elot:
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Ido think that mosley will give pacman the hardest fight of his life and to think of mosley is a very clever and smart.I'll favor Mosley on this fight.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:00:03 PM
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MisterLee:
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Bhop: "Come on roy, let's meet at a reasonable catchweight! Let's split it down the middle 50/50!" Roy: "Sounds like two cats who dunno what da helll they talkin' about. 60/40 and i'll whoop yo' a*#!!" Man, can't find that youtube video again, but yeah, that live on air phone argument was priceless! Great.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:01:15 PM
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btb:
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Mosley's offer is unmatched. He agrees to the 60-40 and also offers a rematch if he wins.
No one in the top contenders can offer this deal. Mosley for sure will be Pacman's meal.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:04:37 PM
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Steve hater:
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Come on Pacman fight Mosley this the fight everybody wants to see,why fight Cotto ?you can easily beat him by k. o. and besides he lost to Margo ,you need Mosley it will generate a lot of money, you will make a lot of money and i will see your lil a...ss down hahahahaha.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:17:44 PM
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Bucu:
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No steroid please, one of the cheater.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:18:44 PM
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Mr. Joseph Ejercito Estrada former President:
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Mosley knows that he is in the last last slot of Bob, Manny and Freddie's probable listing match up, that's why he accelerates himself to become the no1 contender of Manny of his upcoming fight.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:26:21 PM
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IVAN FERNANDEZ:
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I think Pacquiao VS Mosley is gonna be exciting. I will watch it if they agree on the terms. That would be another title for Manny. I know Mosley is dangling that belt for Manny and that's what Manny wants. Better dangle the belt to the best fighter to get more money than dangle it to some fighter that is not gonna generate more PPV. Good job Mosley! But sorry also because Manny is going to beat you!
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:30:51 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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This is the way I see it, If you want to see an exciting fight then Mosley-Pacquiao it is. If you want to see a technical and one of the great matchups in quite a long time then it's Pacquiao-Mayweather. The easiest fight for Pacquiao would be Cotto not Mayweather. Cotto is an aggressive fighter which best suits Manny while Mayweather is a tactical counterpuncher which is like Marquez who he had difficulties with. Mosley would be the most difficult due to his size, reach, and height advantage. He is also a great boxer with speed and power in both hands. I hope Mosley does not agree to this fight if it's at 142. Make the fight happen at 144lbs that can be more reasonable.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:39:46 PM
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Allan:
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YESSS! LET'S MAKE GREAT MATCH-UP A REALITY! I am a Filipino living in Mindanao in the City of Tagum around 6 hours drive from GenSan. Manny should fight Mosley as this man is truly a great fight who had fought almost all the best fighters of his time and he never back down on any challenge, be it in the welterweight or middleweight. I see sincerity in Mosley's challenge for us all fans to see who's really the best fighter of our time. I pray that Manny shall consider Mosley not for other reasons but for the challenge of fighting a true and great welterweight of our time...and for us to know that Manny will never ducked anybody...
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:39:55 PM
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edgar ocay:
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mosley is great warrior i love to see him fighting
he don't care about money coz he cares who's the best fighter
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:40:26 PM
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taiwan boy:
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MOSLEY VS PACMAN , BEST FIGHT AND BEST DEAL ,
60/40 AT 142,DO IT PACMAN.DON T WAIT FOR MAYWEATHER
ITS A BORING FIGHT, THEY JUST LIKE TO SHUT MAYWEATHER S BIG MOUTH THAT S WHY THEY LIKE THE FIGHT WITH PBF.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:42:01 PM
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ali:
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Mayweather is the most difficult because he's a better pure boxer than Cotto & Mosley and who gave Pac the most problems I guy who can Box. 2 would be Mosley because of his size speed and chin but he likes to mix it up and that could work in Pac Favor. 3 Cotto Just because the speed diffenence
Friday Jun 5, 2009 11:04:56 PM
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Ponca dots:
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Jesus, Mosley is 5'9'" and have an unusual reach advantage daym this is the toughest fight for Manny.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 11:05:37 PM
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the Roast:
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Seems to me that Roach is doing a massive phyche job on Mayweather. He is saying without saying that not only Floyd had better beat JMM, but he should look real good doing it. Pacman does'nt need Floyd, he can fight Mosley or Cotto. Two real warriors who are gonna come to Manny ( better to make Manny look good) rather than Floyd who will box and move away from Manny. Pacman is holding all the cards right now. The only way Floyd can alter this is by blasting out JMM. This is not how Floyd fights. Very interesting.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 11:06:59 PM
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Jim Hendrix:
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To Bob Arum,
Hey Bob, can you see it, can you hear it? everybody wants Mosley-Pacquiao not Gayweather or Valero. Cotto might be good foe for Pacman but we want to see a much greater fight that will last for centuries. So grant our wish and make this fight happen.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 11:48:02 PM
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MosKOpac:
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Fighting Mosley will bring nothing good to Pacquiao. If Pacquiao wins, people will say the same thing as with Oscar where Mosley is old fighter and weight drained. If Mosley wins, Pacquiao will lose his status as P4P and cannot fight the anticipated finale with Mayweather. He will surely lose too his political clout.
In reality, Mosley is strong and fast boxer. It takes a hard fight for Pacquiao to upset Mosley. Mosley can easily KO the smaller Manny anytime and much brutal fashion than beating Margarito.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 11:51:27 PM
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blue4cor:
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NOTHING TO GAIN. Win or lose for Manny, there is nothing to gain for he has proven he could be superior to bigger opponents. PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE AMAZED seeing him sending taller and bigger guys in the canvass. People wanna see Pac fight Mayweather...... TO FLOYD MAYWEATHER: Strike while the iron is hot. Don't let this multi-million PPV slipped off your hands.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 12:18:07 AM
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Rommel Liwanag:
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bring it on... mosley deserve to fight pacquiao ,but that depends on bob arum.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 12:52:40 AM
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edgardo:
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It is not a good fight for MP against Mosley. If ever MP team accept a fight with Mosley, it should be 70/30 because its a high risk for MP but winnable.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 01:39:34 AM
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junicks:
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Pacman fears nobody! just be fair.. u just cant make Manny sacrifice for all Golden Boys and making lots of excuses after every loss of each fighter Manny fought.
Every Golden Boy boxers just cant swallow it.. They always took advantage in pairing with Manny and again making excuses after every loss.. Just be fair.. Manny for Congressman! than those useless so called professional politicians..
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 01:43:29 AM
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Anonymous user:
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Damn you Manny, I don't want you to retire yet. Forget about politics. There's Bigger money on Boxing! DUCK vs Manny, Mosley vs Manny. These are the fights I baldy want to see!!! And then Manny can retire. LoL
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 02:27:13 AM
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Kojie:
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Ay carramba! Senor Mosley, pls. don't pick a fight with a smaller, albeit best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. Just because he's pound-for-pound the best does not mean he can take on anybody up to heavyweight. Shame on YOU! Go fight men your own size (hint Paul Williams)
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 07:27:34 AM
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RodneyP:
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Freddie is a punk. Floyd beat Oscar at Oscar's own weight when he trained him and now he's saying that Mayweather's the easiest fight. Now just a few weeks ago, he said Floyd would give Manny problems with his style. Which one is it Freddie? Furthermore, why make Shane come down in weight? Fight him at his weight. Don't drain him like you did De La Hoya by him coming down to 147. And Freddie knows also that a fight with Shane and Cotto would be easier to make. Floyd wants the majority of the revenue (one problem) and headline promotion with Mayweather Promotions (another problem). Golden Boy doesn't have a problem with that, but you better believe Floyd's former promoter Bob Arum does. But Manny and Freddie both know that the Mayweather fight would be the most lucrative. Why don't they agree that the winner of the fight takes the 60/40 cut of the revenue?
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 08:20:19 AM
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ali:
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The Roast your right he's trying to play mind games with Mayweather but if Manny is really about to retire he better go ahead and get to most money he can for his fighter. The public would love to see Pac fight Mosley or Cotto but not nearly as much as they want to see him fight Mayweather. Now if Money May looks better than against Pac did against Marquez coming off retirement the public is reallly going to want to see that fight then Roach can save that B.S about we don't need Mayweather stuff.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 09:21:14 AM
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leonardomarroquini:
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I'm really hoping Mosley can get that fight with Manny.
Mosley deserves a big Payday and Manny Pacquiao will prove once again hes no chicken mayweather
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 09:44:02 AM
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MisterLee:
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Mosley Boma Ye!!! :)
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 10:55:48 AM
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MisterLee @ bucu, standing up for the Suga:
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Yeah! Mosley might apply some clear cream during the fight instead of vaseline! This is tru! I saw it on wikipedia! Also, mosley better be ready to pee by the turn buckle between rounds 3& 4, and 7 & 8, he's been known to hook up some EPO in between rounds for extra endurance! But who I am to say? Roy Jones tested postive for anabolic steroids agst richard hall! musta forgot! :)
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 10:57:34 AM
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DJ:
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I don't know roast.... to be honest, they both (PBF & Pac) don't need each other. They each could fight Mosley or Cotto and put up big numbers but the truth is that the biggest fight financially that can be made in boxing is Pac vs PBF. I actually believe the PBF-Marquez numbers will do better then Pac-Hatton. We'll see though.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 11:01:42 AM
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Oddsmaker:
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I'd like to see Mosley vs Paul Williams or the winner of Cotto vs Clottey . Pacman should fight the winner of Maywether vs JMM,
or take on Juan Guzman
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 12:27:35 PM
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Frank:
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Shane Mosley and Pacman are my favorite boxers on the scene right now. I hope that they can work it out to meet above 142. It'd be a damn shame to see a great fight ruined just because one of the guys was dehydrated and lethargic from cutting 5 extra pounds of water, not to mention it's dangerous.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 12:47:10 PM
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Paul:
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this is what i like about Pacfans...they never tried to take advantage on other boxers....Pacfans like to see a very awesome fair and square fight^^. Nice comment and points there "#1Pacfan P4P LEGEND" :-)
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 01:57:35 PM
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boxer:
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I sure hope mosley gets the pacman fight. Mayweather has avoided shane and cotto got ko'd. shane is the only guy good enuf to fight pacman. mayweather wud get destroyed by both shane and pacman. i really believe that. mayweather doesnt throw enuf punches to keep those guys off. he juts covers up and pot shots. that wont get it done with shane and pacman. it may not be enuf with marquez.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 02:25:35 PM
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MisterLee jumpin' on the wagon!:
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Floyd is very hittable by a skilled boxer. Zab hit him, Corley hurt him a few times, Castillo touched that body (so did Hatton), De La Hoya right hooked over his low left hand, Pacquiao is like 3 x faster than these guys. Floyd doesn't jab enough, can't go to the body, and he doesn't use lateral movement when retreating (b/c a stationary shoulder roll is usually good enough). With mosley, he can only pray for a decision, with pacquiao he might get seriously hurt. I bet clottey can walk floyd down too, but floyd might be able to outspeed/outbox him. We'll see. Exciting times! :)
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 02:33:18 PM
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Peter Egley:
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Funny stuff.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 02:57:36 PM
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Theboyb901:
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@MisterLee, Floyd always adjust, that's why he's undefeated. Do you honestly think he's going to let Pac jump in and throw all those punches? And do you honestly think he's going to shoulder roll often with them like he usually does with these other fighters? Castillo touched the body in the 1st fight, the second fight, he moved more and threw his jab more. De La Hoya was a fixed fight, he wobbled Hoya twice when he (Floyd) had his back against the ropes and he did go to the body. Corley did hurt him, because he was standing right in front him, we haven't seen May stand in front of anyone in a while. He fought Hattons fight and beat him at it, that was the game plan, we're you listening to his corner, he did go to the body. Pac is more quick than he's skilled and technical. And other welter's will potentially have problems when they drop down from 147. But May won't. That's Pac's most difficult fight. Mosely and Pac would not get in the ring and jump on him like they do everyone else. I still see the man retiring undefeated.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 03:10:43 PM
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ali @ Mister Lee:
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There you go with some of those crazy comments Hatton never got in a good shot to the body when they fought. You say Mayweather can't go to the body are you crazy Pac is the one that hardly ever goes to the body. You say Mayweather is very hittable ARE YOU CRAZY! you know that ain't true where does he get hit at on his gloves on his elbows on his arms that's the only place where he's hittable. How can a fighter be call a defensive wizard by every boxing expert there is and you call him very hittable fighter could you explain that.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 03:54:21 PM
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Yuvie:
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Pacquiao needs to just wait until Cotto/Clottey & Mayweather/Marquez. Why jump straight into a fight with an obviously desperate Mosley when you have potential mega fights with the likes of Cotto or Mayweather, which at the end of the day will probably look better than a Mosley win on your resume. Pacquiao is obviously waiting for Mayweather. Mosley is desperate to bag a big fight before it's too late. Any of these guys are gonna be desperate for a Pacquiao fight. They've all gotta be thinking "Hey, this little guy is beatable and the reward will be bountiful". If Mosley wants a real challenge, I know a guy out there by the name of Paul Williams who will be ready to take the fight.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 04:10:11 PM
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Yuvie:
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Also, Roach's demand of 142 is too much. If this is gonna be Pac's retirement fight, he might as well make a little bit of history out of it and try and go for the welterweight title.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 04:12:43 PM
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MisterLee:
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Well, in the hatton fight, their strategy was to right hook and then move (pacquiao). In the de la hoya fight, you didn't see the instances in which pacquiao would slip dlh's left hook and right hook him to the body, or do 2-3 body punches (right left right) in a link? We all know floyd has brittle hands. Please tell me the last fight that he's taken a guy to the body, or accumulated enough body work to slow or hurt a guy? Mayweather has brittle hands, his one knockdown was due to breaking his hand and dropping his glove to the canvas by accident. I am very aware of what the "status quo" says of floyd mayweather, i'm just pointing out that his "defense" does not ecapsulate the entire arsenal of defensive boxing (i mean no boxer does), and i'm pointing out the aspects of his defense that are not the best. Pacquiao could not shoulder roll nor flow in the pocket like floyd, that's why he's an in and out fighter, and pac's footspeed and fast hands are his defense. I'm saying floyd doesn't have great footspeed, and he doesn't use lateral movement nor a jab to keep an opponent off. Isnt it tru, a "stationary shoulder roll" is what i call it, and it's taylor made for pacquiao to me. If you don't have lateral movement, you will go back in a straight line and get pressed agst the ropes, like what castillo, hatton, and de la hoya did to floyd. We're talking about pacquiao here, not phillip ndou or chop chop corley. pc out! Just saying, you can find floyd with your feet, but most can't with their hands, but pacquiao can solve that puzzle! pc out!
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 04:16:25 PM
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Yuvie:
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I agree with MisterLee to some extent. Look, the way I see it, every boxer is there to get beat eventually. Remember Mijares, let's not forget how we all bigged him up as a masterclass boxer and look what Darchinyan did to him. You know, Darchinyan, a guy who got schooled and layed out by Donaire a couple of fights before that. Pacquiao could very well be that type of fighter that just surprises Mayweather. It's easy to see Pacquiao's flaws and even easier to see Mayweather's strengths but not either's opposites. I'm not trying to compare Mijares/Darchinyan to a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight but all I'm saying is that there's always that element of surprise. Pacquiao more than any other fighter tends to bring that element of surprise. Make of it what you will.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 04:42:46 PM
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Jerry Hoffman:
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I don't understand why Manny would fight Oscar at 147 and not Shane. Did he all of the sudden shrink? I'm ok with a catch weight if Manny has to have that edge, but Shane would be drained and insane to sap himself down to 142. Freddy is just pushing a weight he knows can't happen, but wants to stay away from Welter even though the fight would be for the 147 WBA title perhaps and the Champion Mosley would be getting less of a purse split. I love Freddy Roach, but come on, you can't have everything!
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 06:32:27 PM
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ali @ Mister Lee:
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Mayweather uses his feet and head movement as part of his defense that why he's the best, the only two that compares to his "D" is Willie Pep & and Sweat Pee. Listen to me close Mister Lee you can only get Mayweather on the ropes if he lets you that's one of the traps he sets. Watch the second Castillo fight he could not get him on the ropes for nothing but in the first fight he did it alot and had success know why cause Mayweather would let him do it. Against Pac he will keep the fight in the middle of the ring and whoop Pac ass he's too smart to lay on the ropes against Pac. On more thing Mayweather feet is only a little bit slower then Pac I think but Floyed foot work is much better Mayweather never throws punches off balance Pac does evey time he throws his left cross just go back and watch his fight with Marquez .
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 07:03:14 PM
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MisterLee @ ali:
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Yo yo... you're right about pac's off balance left, but i think he's improved that since, like in the hatton fight, knockdown number 2, he wasn't too off balance and followed up with another punch. Besides, personally I'm not a big fan of any of pacquiao's fights between morales 3 and the de la hoya fight. I thought he inherited this p4p title, pple began sweating his balls, but the last time he showed real hunger and drive to win between then was morales 3, and then from oscar up... and i'm talking about his tune-up fight, his rematch with barerra, his rematch with marquez, and the diaz fight... pple can gloat what they want, i didn't think it was vintage pacquiao: dominant, great timing, hungry for the knockout and endless endurance etc. Barerra 1 you saw so much of pacquiao in that ring. But anyway, glad the "Old pacquiao" came back for de la hoya, that's how i feel anyway. anyway, i still think pacquiao will give him more than he bargained for, and i gotta watch castillo 2 to be a better judge, but really, floyd don't go lateral, that's my opinion for now. I ain't asking you to agree, just my opinion bro. pc out!
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 07:13:04 PM
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ali @ Yuvie:
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Your a good writer you make good points at some point Mayweather will lose but I don't think it will be against Pac, Cotto Mosley or Marquez. Paul Williams yeah maybe if he's slows up some by the time he fights him I could see that happing. But right now he's I think hungry as hell cause alot people thinks he's ducking fighters who they think can beat him and he wants to prove them wrong but only time will tell if im right
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 07:21:52 PM
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ali @ Mister Lee:
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Mister I love talking to you about boxing cause if you don't remember something or forgot what happen in a fight you will say that and go take a look at the fight and see if someone has made a good point. Hey your right in the Hatton fight that left cross did'nt look off balance you know why cause Hatton did'nt make his miss with it one time he ran right in to it like a dumm Mayweather chances of doing that is slim and none.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 07:37:37 PM
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MisterLee @ ali:
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Yo! I'm gonna check out that castillo fight tomorrow! I have it, but i have to finish watching the Magic Man outbox Ndou. Man, i only him agst cotto and hatton in the past, but now i know why he's called magic man, he can box beautifully when he's on, but i don't think he can do it agst top tier opponents, but he sure is a slippery S(@*( ! i mean that in the best way. We'll debate tomorrow, and tho i'm opinionated, i never claim i'm always right, i'm still learning myself, but let's keep at it. We have an exciting month or two ahead of us! :) pc out! andre ward 09! :)
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 08:41:53 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite in Manila trying to enjoy my peeps:
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Fudge! Go away, SHANE! News about you is all up in Manila in Posse Pac's grill. You are not a thrill. I'm in my homeland and I cannot even enjoy my meal. All the Kano GIs are talking trash. They really believe that Shane has a chance with a PacMan clash. They must be out of their GI Joe minds, it PacMan Time! He is a dime. Everybody want to fight him all a sudden. These suckas wanna get paid. I can't believe that the bum Katsidis is in Manila talking large and calling Manny out. Wow! It must be something wrong with the water in the States and Australia. Any way, let me get back to eating my meal and drinking my coconut juice. The heck with da water, lmao! Holla!
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 09:12:54 PM
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ali @ Mister Lee:
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You got it lets talk about tomorrow and see what happens.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 10:12:34 PM
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Vitali:
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Totally agree to some of the post here, Pac-Shane is the fight to watch not with Floyd name in it. Mosley is a fighter and a real contender, a fighter that didn't back out of a real challenge ( i dont care what you say about the Mayweather challenge a few years back, it is all alibi and just BS noises from their camp). Mosley have a resume of a real P4P and deserved a shot at Pac. Ellerbe can kiss his own ass and nobody will believe their excuses coz who cares if Manny dont fight Floyd... Pacquiao does not need Floyd to prove himself.
Saturday Jun 6, 2009 11:32:28 PM
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Real Talk:
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Wassup family !!! @ ali ... good comparison of Mayweather and Sweet Pea . Their styles are very similar . Peak Human reflexes , defensive mastery , an only appreciated by the purest of boxing fans . Maybe because they display The Sweet Science in it's purest form . Both were known for accurate punching instead of 1 punch KO power , and both will be remembered as 2 of the sharpest pugilist to EVER lace up a pair or gloves . I think the comparisons of Berto to Sweet Pea were ridiculous to say the least . Berto is talented no doubt , but he doesn't have a quarter of the skill Sweet Pea had (Real Talk) right now . Berto is very hittable , Sweet Pea was damn near impossible to catch clean . Berto is still young , up and coming , and needs more seasoning . That being said I don't see him developing into Pernell Whitaker style fighter . It would do him justice to watch some of those fights . Dueces
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 10:50:29 AM
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Real Talk yeeeeeeaaaaaahh I'm getting Money Oooooooowwww:
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I understand Shane wants to get money while the getting is good , I can't knock his hustle . I said to myself when he wooped Cheatos @$$ that he inherited his curse . Now nobody wants to fight him . It's like I mentioned a couple months ago before that fight . Sometimes a bad fight is a good thing , and sometimes a great fight is a bad thing . Mosley is a perfect example of this . Mosley doesn't look good against Mayorga who looked the best I saw him in years . People in this universe said "Oh he's washed up, his legs are gone etc. " . I said Mayorga fought a very determined fight . Mosley lands a fight with Cheato . Mosley beats the breaks off of Cheato (G rated comment) . Now you can here a pin drop when a fight with Mosley is mentioned . This is a business ...we understand this . It really isn't the fighters who are scared to take the fights . It's their handlers , the promoters, the team , etc. If their fighters get ruined the money train is over . Then it's like ...don't be mad UPS is hiring lololol . If I was Shane an I get stepped over I would take a fight and not look too good . Then they would think I'm getting old , that's how I would put them in the Trickbag . Dueces
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 11:03:40 AM
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Fe'ROZ :
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I keep asking myself, personalities and BS aside, who I think the best match up from a fans perspective would be. Now it's just my opinion, but on the broadest level, I think Manny and Cotto is a guaranteed Classic. Both come to fight. Both intend to finish. Both have fanatic fan bases. Floyd's biggest fan is Floyd. He has to beat Marquez in a way that says to everyone: "I'm back, I'm the greatest....and I whooped the guy that Manny beat closely". Otherwise, to the world at large, Cotto and Manny have the built in fan bases and their syles are a fight fan's dreams. Lastly, if Floyd wants to retire as the Great of this time (not GOAT), he should take out Shane and then take on Williams. If he can do that, he's The Man.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 11:13:59 AM
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sick:
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sorry man but cotto got ktfo and he aint coming back. he will end up like hatton if he fights pacman or mosley.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 11:37:33 AM
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francisco:
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Can I get a Mosely Vs. Mayweather fight!!! Why isn't anybody lining those two up???
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 12:52:20 PM
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MisterLee @ francisco:
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Mosley camp made mayweather camp an offer post-margarito fight, mayweather rejected it. I guess marquez wasn't the ONLY one to call out Scareweather? :)
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 01:11:23 PM
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MisterLee:
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Free donputo!
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 01:11:50 PM
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brownsugar:
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Fe'Roz,.. if Manny beat Cotto at 147,.. he'd get my vote as the greatest boxer who ever lived,.. if Cotto is handicapped by being forced to come in light,.. well,.. that leaves too much room for debate,.. both guys are probably the most courageous boxers in the sport,.. will fight anybody...
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 01:47:56 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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Brownsugar, I'm with you on both points. If Manny can beat Cotto...at his weight....he's the greatest of our time. That would be a monster fight at the gate and in the ring. I can't think of another.......between any two fighters today.......that would attract a broader audience.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 03:54:09 PM
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Real Talk yeeeeeeaaaaaahh I'm getting Money Oooooooowwww:
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Pacman vs. any of those 3 would be lights out . I'm tired of talking about it . Bring on Cotto vs. Clottey baaaaaaby!!!!!!!!!!! Holla Back
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 04:17:53 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite 2 all my Fil-Ams-Happy Philippine Independence Day:
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Sugar Shane won't be able to hang. The steroids are gone. He won't be able to hold on. In seven rounds or less, he will be gone. PacMan is no longer a poor, starving kid. To get in the rings with him, all these pugilistic suckas now bid. But they musta' fo'got! Beating him, they will not. PacMan is so big-money hot, and these suckas don't want to rumble for a nice-cash purse, they wanna stumble -- and get the fudge knocked out --for a big-money goldpot. These suckas are trying to get paid, they wanna drink gin and juice instead of koolaid. And probably, even, hire a butler and a housemaid. Holla!
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 04:33:38 PM
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Cal guy:
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The steroids were gone against Margarito too and he snuffed him out like dust. He can hang with Pacman. But the weight thing could weaken him a lot. I give him credit for manning up and wanting to take Manny. Mayweather doesnt deserve a thing. He is scared to fight Mosley.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 11:09:01 PM
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Arturo:
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It seems to me like Mosley looks a bit too desperate for a big payday.I remember that Roach said Manny would only take on Osacr at that weight class cause he felt like Oscar was not the same fighter as he used to be.Mosley on the the other hand, just came off one of the bigest upsets in recent years.I don't see this fight happening because Manny will wait for JULY 18 to see his next advisary.JMM Pacquiao 3 is the best in world class boxing that anyone can ask for!
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 11:22:19 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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I respect floyd as a boxer but he is dissing and therefore missing his chance to lay claim to greatness. He has set up a lose-lose dynamic. He claims no one is in his league. That they all have losses. So let's say hypothetically he does fight a big name and wins...he had undercut the value of beating a (beaten) fighter. If he wins, so what. The guy already had a loss. so the way I see it, The pretty boy has boxed himself into a corner. if he does not call out...and then wipe out the three top welters, he will be remembered for the one thing equal to his skill. Hot Air. And, like the lattter, his long desired legacy will float away an vanish.
Sunday Jun 7, 2009 11:28:29 PM
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ali @ Fe'ROZ:
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He say's that stuff but he knows Pac Mosley Cotto & Marquez are hellva fighters he just says all those thing to hype up the fight. Even if he say's there not on his level the public ain't buying it so wins over those guys I name will make him one of the greatest of all-time.
Monday Jun 8, 2009 05:55:22 AM
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The Housekeeper:
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1. Pacman vs (winner Mayweather vs Vasquez) pencil Oct 17
2. Mosley vs Williams (or winner Cotto vs Clottey) pencil Nov 7
and finally 1 vs 2 will decide the best p4p in the world fair and square. All is accomodated.....
Monday Jun 8, 2009 07:03:15 AM
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rudy:
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Mosley, quit begging for a pay day and go fight somebody!!!
Monday Jun 8, 2009 09:40:05 AM
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ni:
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mayweather will knock manny out 8/9 round ko mayweather wins and roach knows this and so does manny he will fight mosly lose and then fight mayweather and lose then retire and mayweather and mosly will fight and mayweather will ko mosly mayweather is the best .
Monday Jun 8, 2009 10:24:55 AM
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MisterLee:
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When was the last time Mayweather knocked out a bonafide welterweight? He went the distance more times than Lance Armstrong and those Kenyan runners!
Monday Jun 8, 2009 01:15:19 PM
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Master Snake :
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I said it here twice last week. Mosley should fight Paul Williams. If he is ready to go, why wait for an uncertain fight with a guy 2.5 " shorter with a 7" reach disadvantage. The Punisher needs to get a fight scheduled soon. So many others are scared of him. Shane should step up. There would be a lot at stake besides a shiny strap. Paul could fully establish himself and become big time. Or, Shane could cement his legacy by fighting a guy where he would be taking on a bigger task and a taller fighter. Manny ate mucho tacos to plump up for Oscar. He won easily because Oscar was done 5 years ago. Shane does have those height and reach disadvantages against Williams. But the weight matchup is perfect. In terms of style, it's also perfect; a puncher vs. a tall outfighter who can actually box on the inside as well. It'd be a classic. Two contrasting styles. I think people really just want to see Manny get beat. Don't worry. It'll happen again. JMM will welcome jabberjaw back to the ring with a TKO11. And then the table will be set to see two warriors built almost identically settle things once and for all.
Monday Jun 8, 2009 02:24:18 PM
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TheTrueFightDr:
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Way too fight fans rooting for their favorite fighters rather than calling it like it is:
1. Mayweather - P4P best. Very smart and tactical fighter with remarkable defensive skills and lightning quick hands. Fights may lack excitement - to the average fan - at times because of his fight style; he understands the Sweet Science of "Boxing" not "Fighting"... Hit and don't get hit. – Con: very cocky, fights very cautiously to the dismay of many fans
2. Mosley - #2 because Mayweather is undefeated, may potentially give Mayweather his first loss when they meet. Exceptionally quick hands and feet, excellent “power-boxer”, very exciting and gritty technician able to make mid fight adjustments - Con: problems with tall lengthy boxers
3. Paul William – Very active south paw with good hands speed and accuracy. Freakishly tall for a welther weight. Would give any fighter south of 160lbs. fits. Virtually avoided by all top fighters. - Con: sometimes throws pitter-patter punches
4. Cotto – Excellent boxer/puncher. Good strength and tremendous will to win. Proved to be more than just a puncher with an excellent display of boxing during the first 6 rounds against Mosley to come away with a semi-controversial victory. – Con: conditioning is an issue in big fights
**5. Marquez – Very disciplined, tenacious and smart fighter. Relentless fight style makes for exciting fights. Packs a pretty good punch. – Con: lack the size for the Welter-Weight division
**6. Pacquiao – Very exciting and awkward south paw willing to mix it up. Lightning quick lead left hand. Excellent punching power. Throws punches from all angles… Did I say south paw – Con: lacks defensive discipline; though potentially unstoppable from Jr. light-weight down, lacks the size at 147lbs.
**Not true Welter Weights and struggle will against any top Welter Weights including those not mentioned on the list
HONORABLE MENTION:
Clotty – may beat Cotto 6/13/09
Berto – 2 years away from top 5 Welter Weight ranking
Monday Jun 8, 2009 04:09:36 PM
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Misterlee:
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Yo, not having a "welterweight" size is not really a con to me. That's like say floyd's con is not having a "middleweight" or "light heavyweight" size. It's genetics man, and fighters shouldn't be fighting that far out of their division, with the exception of pacquiao. pc out!
Monday Jun 8, 2009 06:00:10 PM
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arbee:
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Youth will be the factor if pac and shane rumble. I give a UD or an SD for the small guy from the Philippines. freddie knows that manny can hit and outrun shane in the ring, frustrate him with moving speed. Roll this one freddie. Your youthful and faster guy will win this fight. Besides once a guy stops suddenly using steroid that will take out 30% of his stamina and he can be fast at first but diminish strength later. Of course, we still need to steroid-check shane a month before and after the fight, a week before and after the fight, a day before and after the fight. Roll this one on bob. outpoint mayweather here and let cotto , valero or marquez. fight your guy and you don't need to negotiate with mayweather.
Monday Jun 8, 2009 06:57:19 PM
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Hit 'em Low:
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TheTrueFightDr, spoken like a True Fight Dr! Pun intended! But I have to agree with Misterlee. You can't knock someone for being who he is. I agree with you 100% if this is your 147lbs list. Its right on point with the exception of maybe Marquez and Pacquiao (that's a tossup). But if this is your pound for pound list, I would put B-Hop at 3 and Pacquiao at 4. Remove Clotty (for now) and add a host of other cats like Calzaghe (if he's still fighting), Nonito Donaire, Vic Darchinyan, Israel Vázquez, etc. Good assessment folks!
Monday Jun 8, 2009 07:37:53 PM
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MisterLee:
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@ Hit'em Low. nice! @ arbee: allegations with zero proof!
Monday Jun 8, 2009 08:12:18 PM
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TheTrueFightDr:
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MisterLee, I'm strictly talkin' fights at 147lbs. Hit'em Low, I like your list. I'd even throw a big boy in there - they never get any love; the Klitschkos brothers have dominated for years - take your pick at which one! :) All kidding aside, Vladimir deserves to be on the list.
Exactly MisterLee... Arbee, this ain't Vargas or Toney... or A Rod or Manny at that, where's the proof?!?! Despite the harebrained insinuations, the biggest mistake for Pacquaio's handlers would be to make the fight with Sugar Shane. The risk/ reward factor doesn't add up with a multi-million dollar mega fight looming. They know their fighter only stands the slightest hint of a puncher's chance against the bigger, harder hitting granite chinned Mosley at 147lbs. They made the fight at 144lbs last Wednesday only to (wisely) renege Wednesday evening. It would be unwise for Mosley to agree to their resurfaced ridiculous negotiations at 142 lbs. This is all a ploy for the sake of leverage in negotiating the purse for the Mayweather fight after he embarrassingly disposed of Marquez in a one-sided boxing exhibition.
As they say, let the chips fall where they may; Mayweather vs. Mosley for all the marbles will happen one way or the other.
Monday Jun 8, 2009 11:25:28 PM
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arbee:
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@mister lee: very intelligent and all knowing.
Tuesday Jun 9, 2009 07:36:07 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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For all of you who don't know 99.9% of boxing sites, experts, and your average fan put Manny Pacquiao #1 P4P fighter in the world. You put MP at #4? Where have you been for the last 5-6 years, in a cave? Putting May on the the #1 spot is absolutely nuthugging in your part. Look it up his in the 8th spot on that list.
Tuesday Jun 9, 2009 10:56:18 AM
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hooker:
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As smart as Manny, he should not fight Moseley. He is older than ODLH. Why give boxing writers another excuse? He should fight Mayweather Jr., Cotto or JMM.
Thursday Jun 11, 2009 09:13:45 PM
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Lachlan:
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Manny Pacquiao has beat smaller fighters and he good from 140lbs down. But to put him at #1 Pound-for-Pound is bloody ridiculous! What, because he beat Barrera (which I give him credit for this), and he beat an old and dehydrated De la hoya and an over rated Ricky Hatton (sad)? Heck, if that's the case, give the Pound-for-Pound title to JMM - he beat Manny Pacquiao twice. This bloke better stick to his weight class.
Friday Jun 12, 2009 03:19:48 PM
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Suresh:
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I could name 5 welterweights that would crush Pacquiao: Mayweather, Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Paul Williams. If he fights at 147lbs he will lose his next fight (UGLY)! Word of advice, stay down and fight, Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Edwin Valero, Anthony Peterson or Juan Diaz. Pacquiao is a good and exciting fight, but people need to get off his nuts and wake up. He's an ok fighter and this will be proven in his next fight!
Friday Jun 12, 2009 03:39:38 PM
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Suresh:
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I could name 5 welterweights that would crush Pacquiao: Money Mayweather, Sugar Shane, Cotto, Clottey and Williams. If he fights at 147lbs he will lose his next fight (UGLY)! Word of advice, stay down and fight, Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Edwin Valero, Anthony Peterson or Juan Diaz. Pacquiao is a good and exciting fight, but people need to get off his nuts and wake up. He's an ok fighter and this will be proven in his next fight!
Friday Jun 12, 2009 03:42:02 PM
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Nick:
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OK.......Manny started at 98 pounds. The fact that he is coming up even this much is incredible. People say de la hoya was washed up. Really? It wasn't 10 months before that where he fought a more than decent match. Manny has nothing to prove everybody his size and a little bigger he has eaten up and spitten out. All you pac haters need to realize that even if he looses this match, he has come so damn far from his 98 pound days. and by the way just becasue he has the pound for pound title, doesn;t mean he has to fight people who are so much bigger than him where it's unfair. With that being said I think Shane has a good chance againest him. This will be a thrilling match
Monday Jun 15, 2009 12:04:59 PM
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tinyg:
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If mosley loses at a catchweight? countless excuses like dehydration , old age blah blah blah. Why force the little guy at 147? if mosley goes down, there's that risk and so with pac when he goes up against bigger men. A catchweigth is fair for both fighters as both are taking risks.Those who want the pac to go up at 147 are really dying to see him fall...
Thursday Jun 18, 2009 07:03:24 PM
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vince price:
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manny pacquiao nothing to loose even to those great fighters like mayweather, shane mosley or miguel cotto if they both agreed to fight between143 to 145lbs. I still believe and agree that manny is the best fighter pound 4 pound king in the histoty of boxing. The fast and furious fighter thats Manny Pacquiao...Go on manny gooooo.....24/7
Sunday Jun 21, 2009 01:27:43 AM
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adon:
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I think manny should fight cotto first if he were to fight mosley next. This would give manny space to improve on better with his skills, work on his lapses/ flaws that he needs to work on with and might appear to guys with different fighting styles and boxing abilities. We observe that his level of ability improves on every fight. And it was a good start for him to get on first with diaz before he did oscar so that hed get the hang of it, readjusting how much power of a punch he would need to canvass the opponents as well as feel and become wary of the power of his opponents.. I believe that paquiao would even be much a better fighter after hes done with cotto and will ensure a much better standpoint of winning with hes better tuned ability, the odds of winning will be much better.. its good roach is their ready to size up paquiao and his opponents.
Monday Jun 22, 2009 09:17:44 AM
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dags:
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thats real fight for pacquiao -vs- mosley... & im sure its gonna big hits.....
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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