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Shane Mosley Says He Deserves Pacquiao Fight
By David A. Avila
When you conquer the king of the mountain, as Sugar Shane Mosley did a little more than four months ago, then you presume that the mountain is yours.
The WBA welterweight king who defeated the feared former king Antonio Margarito is waiting for his coronation.
Despite the incredible upset before more than 20,000 pro Margarito fans, Mosley may be passed over for the expected match with boxing’s best fighter Manny Pacquiao by other less-deserving fighters, including one who was retired.
“It’s not fair,” Mosley says.
If you know Mosley then you understand that he’s not the kind of fighter who cries and moans over bad decisions. Earlier in his career, despite advice to the contrary, he accepted fights against opponents that others ignored like Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright.
Now, the Pomona native believes that he deserves a shot at the best fighter of all, Pacquiao.
Talks between Mosley and Pacquiao’s camps have taken place but nothing has been agreed upon. One stipulation to make a fight between the two is Mosley dropping down in weight to 142 or 144 pounds.
“I have to protect my fighter,” said Freddie Roach who trains and advises Pacquiao. “Shane Mosley and Manny would be the best fight for the fans. Both like to fight.”
What Roach means is neither boxer likes to counterpunch or employs a defensive style a la Floyd Mayweather.
Recently Mayweather un-retired and is now scheduled to fight Juan Manuel Marquez, a former Pacquiao nemesis.
Mosley wonders why Mayweather gets all the breaks.
“I’m tired of the public being fooled by him,” said Mosley of Mayweather, who fights Marquez on July 18 in Las Vegas. “People are accepting the games he is playing. He’s coming back because he needs the money.”
At the press conference held to promote the Mayweather-Marquez fight, many asked why the former pound for pound king wouldn’t accept a fight with Mosley?
Mayweather replied that he offered a fight with Mosley that was refused because of the timing. But subsequent offers have been rebuked by the Las Vegas fighter who last told Mosley during a baptismal party that he was retired and wanted to spend time with the family and had no plans to return.
That turned out to be not true.
When our reporters saw Mayweather sparring in the gym and sent other investigators to check out the scene, the Mayweather camp kicked out our photographer and then said rumors of Mayweather sparring were not true.
Basically, you can’t believe a single word coming out of the Mayweather camp.
“He wants to wait until I’m 42,” said Mosley.
Next week Miguel Cotto fights Joshua Clottey in a match between two Top Rank fighters. It’s hoped that Cotto wins so that a match between the popular Puerto Rican boxer can be made with Pacquiao.
It’s another thing that miffs Mosley.
“I beat the best welterweight in our time (Margarito) and I beat him in spectacular fashion,” says Mosley, adding that Margarito crushed Cotto and the Puerto Rican beat the Pomona fighter by debatable decision. “If Cotto beats Clottey let him fight Margarito in a round robin tournament. I’m the welterweight champion.”
That’s a good point.
Mosley says that internationally he has a bigger name than Cotto or Mayweather.
“People know me all over the world,” said Mosley who often travels to Asia. “Even in Singapore, Australia, all the way in India, Mali, they know me all over the world. It’s not me just saying that. They watch my fights. I’m a boxing household name in England, and the Philippines. They know what I can do, they know my work.”
The best fight for fans in Mosley’s estimation is a showdown with boxing’s current pound for pound champion Pacquiao.
“I always keep myself in shape,” said Mosley who is currently in Big Bear Mountain where he normally trains before fights. “I love the feeling of being in shape.”
Mosley says he will try and see if his body can drop down to 142 or lower. No other fighter in the world piques the Pomona fighter’s interest than Pacquiao. He knows Mayweather will never fight him due to fear of losing. But Pacquiao is another story.
“Pacquiao is a real fighter,” Mosley says. “I’m the number one welterweight.”
It’s the fight most fans dream about.
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Rico Sioting of Philippines:
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If Shane falls into a trap by Freddie to go to 144, he's dead meat, hehehe...He'll end up like the likes of Diaz, DLH & most recently Hatton contemplatin' on retirin'....
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:55:16 AM
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arbee:
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let's get rolling, mosley vs pacquaio at 142.
forget the other fella who always say he's the pound for pound champ...no way.
just look at madamweather and the pacman's character and attitude
Madam says; give me the best fighters...pacquaio, marquez, villoria, calderon, darchinyan, donaire, cris john..and i'll beat all of them to the pulp.
Pacman says; give me madamweather, mosley, clottey, cotto, williams, berto..and i'll face them all..wow! the small guy wants to fight the giants while the big guy wants to bully and scare the kids..cmmon madamweather fight the guys of your size...and prove that you deserved to be pound 4pound once not pound 4 ounce champion now.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:58:16 AM
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Peter Egley:
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Going by TSS, Hatton wasn't a great fighter - merely a good one. And in their DiBella interview, well, if you're a boxing fan in the USA like me, then you certainly know who Manny Pacquiao is, the guy that beat De La Hoya. I'm not particularly a Floyd Mayweather fan as yet, I've not had a chance to see him fight live yet. But unlike Pacquiao and Mosley, the guy hasn't been beaten, I do know that much.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:09:49 AM
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GOAT:
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Shane has lost his mind! He keeps saying PBF is inly fighting for the money "duh" isn't that why shane keeps begging PACMAN for a fight, because of the money. PBF calls himself "money" so we know what he is all about, but shane tries to make it seam like he is a warrior willing to fight anyone for nothing when he wants the money just like PBF. Shane is also trying to make marg seem better than he was/is. Marg lost to paul williams and before that he lost to Santos I believe. Matter of fact, if you look at marg's record he never won more 5 straight fights since 2001 and now he's the best welter cause shane beat him, come on man. The author says that shane fought people that no one else wanted to fight thus making excuses for shane losses, I don't remember anyone being affraid of Vernon Forrest and shane has to beat these guys to be considered great. Shane used to be one of the good guys of the sport, now he sounds like a winney little girl.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 06:54:25 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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Damn straight Mosley deserves a shot at the Pacquiao sweepstakes! He just destroyed the most feared fighter Antonio Margarito which makes him a front runner of any big fights. Mosley could be a dangerous opponent for Pacquiao but it will definitely be exciting for the fans.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:05:44 AM
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The Good Doctor:
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Shane deserves a shot without a doubt. The problem is that boxing is driven alot more than who deserves a shot. It is also driven by money, weight agreements, who the fans want to see, other fighters interest, and promoters. Shane's record speaks for itself so that alone should warrant him a fight. Unfortunately, the people want to see Pac and PBF, promoters are talking about Pac and Cotto, and Pac and Freddy Roach have already stated that they are not real interested in anything else at 147 right now. In addition, PBF and Cotto have fights coming up soon in which if they dominate will draw even more attention to them and place them even further in front of Shane for a shot at Pac. If Shane really wants to draw some attention to himself, talk Paul Williams down to 147 and beat him (although I don't know if he could). Paul is in need of any fight and he would probably take it. If he does that, the clamor for him to fight Floyd or Pac would be unbelieveable and would probably get him a fight.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:23:58 AM
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tdogg:
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GOAT..you are out of ya mind it aint never been about tha dollars wit SHANE..its about being tha best ,,and nobody wanted to fight vernon/or winky at that time ...WHERE U BEEN OUT T0 PASTURE ..your comments show how much u follow boxing..moreso than money its the fame & glory of being tha best.pound 4 pound again...at tha top if thats tha case then pacman is scared of marquez..and look history shows that how many years it took for tha rematch... AND SHANE DESERVES IT...PBF SAYS he wont fight shane cuz he got 5 losses...well how many losses marquez got (4 )so what that say..and pacman got(3)remember this & listen good SHANE AINT NEVER BEEN SCARED OF NOBODY!!!!and if it really really came down to it SHANE would fight P WILLIAMS..before anybody else will PBF, COTTO,OR BERTO,so GOAT i say GO TO BED!!!!!!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:24:52 AM
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free donputo:
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LETS HAVE A TOURNAMENT.MOSLEY VS PACQUIAO. COTTO VS BERTO. THE WINNER OF THIS TOURNAMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDER THE BEST P4P UNIFIED WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION. FREE THE DON. PEACE!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:29:11 AM
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#1 Pacfan \:
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Mosley is also right about Mayweather fooling the public by taking on a lightweight champion. Mosley fights for respect and i have to give it to him
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:39:27 AM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite spitting reality and actuality:
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Shane is going looney tune as his pal Oscar went. You don't go down in weight and fight Manny. What's up with all these dodo birds hungry for a whoopa whop PacMan arse whipping for big bucks? Sooner before later the Pac is going to legally cripple or kill one of these catchweight clown. PacMan is one dangerous pugilist for catchweight opponents. They need to wait until he gets about 35 years old, fatty and lazy. Holla!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:40:53 AM
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Joey:
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He does deserve that fight but it will NEVER happen because PacMan is not that stupid. SSM would steamroll him.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 08:08:12 AM
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GOAT :
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#1 PACFAN, PACMAN was the lightweight champ when he fought oscar 1 fight ago but Shane criticizes PBF for doing what he wants to do? Shane has lost his mind. Marg wasn't feared he just didn't bring in top dollar at the gates. PW called him out for a rematch and Marg said no! If shane says he will fight anybody regardless of money, then he has a whole division of hungry fighters to choose from instead of begging a "smaller" fighter for a fight.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 08:31:23 AM
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ali @ Goat:
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Damn homie you going hard on Mosley and your right he is crying Mayweather says Mosley is not really a PPV attraction and I think he's right. You would think his fight with Margacheato would have been PPV but it was'nt but when Cotto fought him it was. Mosley says Mayweather wants to fight him at 42 no he wanted to fight you when you 25-27 but you decline and that was when you was at your best weight 135 where you was whacking everybody when you was 35-0 with 32 kos but now that your alot older and has taking 5 fades he's scared Yeah right! get the hell out of here.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:08:54 AM
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el chinito:
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hear what mosley says about floyd, you don't believe to what comes out of his camp. pbf is a liar. he's scared to everybody his size. he's protecting his record of zero losses wherein most of them are boring fights. it’s true, some people are fooled by him ‘coz they too are fools. enjoy your life now floyd, because in 2010 the hiding is over. pacquiao, not irs, will chase and give you one before you retire.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:35:16 AM
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Frank:
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@ali, he turned down mayweather back then cause mayweather was only in the pros for 2 years and he wanted to move up in weight and pursue an oscar de la hoya fight. mayweather was only 130 lbs back then i think. i definitely don't think this shows that shane declined because he was afraid of mayweather beating him, but more cause mayweather wasn't a draw back then, the same reason floyd is turning down shane now allegedly. boxing's a really fickle sport and shane would be a much bigger draw now than he would have back in december, from just one fight.
I've said this before, but floyd really needs to stop talking to us like we're fools. "All these cats beating each other but none of them have beaten a Floyd Mayweather." Then after shane calls him out he says that shane just moved to the back of the line for being disrespectful. really floyd? this is how you're going to shed the reputation that you duck guys, by saying they dont' get to fight you if they call you out? i know that i'm not alone when i say that i really want to be a fan of this guy, i love his talent and skill, and it's his style to talk trash, but he either needs to come up with some new trash to talk (aka not treating us like we have no memory), or change his tune and acknowledge how good other guys who might face him are.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:51:31 AM
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Robert Curtis:
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144 or 142? I bet if Mosely successfully trims down to the lower weight without becoming a dizzy, drained wreck, then Freddie will lower the catchweight to 140. Shane hasn't gotten the best deals and Mayweather certainly has avoided too many good fighters, but Manny needs to do what Manny needs to do. Manny Pacquiao is not obliged to fight anybody at any catchweight. The mighty Pacman has proven himself in bold fashion. There are still plenty of folks at 135 and 140 Manny can make good fights with. The ant don't have to lift every rubber tree plant in town just because all the big boy divisions are weak. If Mosely wants Mayweather, start stalking the man and calling him out. The fight is not going to come climbing up to Big Bear with a big red gift bow wrapped around it. This is just passive agressive whining. Get out there in your man's face and call him out, or you will be 42 years old in no time.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:58:47 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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@Goat, you can't say that Oscar wasn't criticized for fighting Manny, it was called a circus attraction. Mosley didn't criticized Oscar for that fight because that's his boss. If Mosley wanted to fight Pac at the time believe me he would have said that it was a little man versus a big man. Obviously Margarito wasn't not feared by many but Floyd was scared straight. Good Doctor, Paul and Mosley at 147 would be a great fight but I believe Paul will have difficulties making the weight now. Frank, is absolutely spot on with his post! Robert Curtis, as much I want Manny to stay at 140 there's no meaningful fights out there that can draw big money and demands that fans want.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:14:07 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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RB, you can't say that Freddie would do such a thing by lowering the demands to 140. The guy is not a cheat, he is just being resonable. He knows his fighters' limit(I think he can compete at 147 in my opinion) when it comes to weight that can minimize his power. I just hope if the fights happens that Mosleys' nutritionist can control the diet and condition him well for the fight.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:19:05 AM
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ali:
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Why is yall O.K with Mosley trying to fight a smaller guy and jumping on Mayweather for doing it. Like I said before Mayweather does'nt have a history of fighting smaller guys so give him a break. Floyed is a small guy himself when have you seen a fight of Mayweather were you thought he won cause was the bigger man never and you never will. So weather its a smaller guy or a bigger one he's going to win using his skills athleticism and boxing I.Q.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:52:39 AM
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MisterLee:
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@ Radam: Manny has all the negotiating power, he can call the shots, and I think mosley can still dehydrate and starve himself, make weight, and then rehydrate to 159 fight night and be fine. Yeah guys mosley deserved it. Let's look at his resume: de la hoya (prime, twice), vargas, winky wright (twice), mayorga, vernon forrest (twice), collazo (after he looked impressive agst hatton), cotto, (almost fought zab judah and berto), and margarito. Being they're similar size (mosley is 5'9 with 74 inch reach, mayweather is 5'8 with 72 inch reach), mosley has fought way better opposition, and has fought up to 154 about 5-6 times. Mosley definitely deserves it. Floyds resume: hatton, old de la hoya at 154, baldomir, zab judah. If this were a job interview, I would pick the guy with the best qualifications. Pc out!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 12:13:57 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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Reports say that Freddie Roach is going to train Ricky Hatton. I think Roach can teach old dogs new tricks. Roach is a complete trainer who trains with the sweet science mastery and aggressive styles that can be effective.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 12:22:57 PM
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#1PacFan you are correct to say that Oscars and Manny was a circus. The problem I have with Shane is that you are criticizing PBF for doing something his boss Oscar did! If it is a shame now, then it was a shame when Oscar fought Manny and Shane did not say anything. I know some people on this site hate PBF and that's cool, but PBF always says he fights for money and money is his motivating factor. Shane tries to make it seem like he is fighting for glory when the main reason he wants PACMAN is because PACMAN will bring in PPV dollars! Shane or Marg cannot carry a PPV show, that's why when they fought it was on HBO and not PPV. I'm not saying they are not good fighters, but how many 24/7's did Shane or Marg do? They are not big Draws when it comes to PPV!
P.S. Shane had 8 fights at 154 and he willing to loose 12 pounds to fight PACMAN and he says PBF is chasing little guys? That's like saying PBF who had 4 fights at 147 is willing to loose 12 pounds and go down to 135 and fight Marquez. Same situation, double standard.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 12:48:31 PM
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brownsugar:
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There is no doubt about Pacmans abilities as a fighter,.. But unless there is a such thing as a Shrink-Ray we probably should never see Pac versus some of the better boxers in the higher weight classes,... Why should a fully developed bonifide SuperWelterweight like Mosely,... or ANY WELTERWEIGHT,.. even if he's crazed by his own insatiable lust for filthy lucor,.. STRIP DOWN to a crippling weight,.. to fight a natually smaller man????,... Manny is an extremely good fighter but he simply isn't big enough for the competition if his opponents have to emasculate themselves in order to meet him in the ring,.. Clean out the junior-welters Manny,... Go Knock out Valero and Nate Campbell,... tussle with Tim Bradley for junior welterweight superiority,..... but if Manny wants the Welterweight Crown,.. let him do it the way Hammerin' Hank Armstrong did over half a century ago,.. at the 147 lbs limit,... That way at least a belt is on the line and if he wins he'll go down for all eternity as one of the most special boxers who ever lived,... These meaningless catch-weights bouts,..where no title is on the line and the boxer moving up has the advantage over the boxer trying to defy his permenantly encoded cellular structure by cutting vital biomass is sheer madness,.. and ultimately it ends up proving nothing... Whats next?? Pacman vs Klitscho at 175??? How far will Mosely go to prostitute his body for an extra Buck???
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:15:48 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite@Misterlee:
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The dude's nickname is Sugar, not Super. And if it were, Manny would have some kryptonite for that sucka. Any way, Sugarlite would be drained out. And any doctor will tell you that he'd probably become water drunk. A very dangerous thing to become. This is why a few years ago the boxing powers that be started having the weight-in a day before the bout. Back in the day, when it was held the day of the bout, a lot of boxers died after becoming water drunk and getting knocked around in that hurt circle. Go and look up how dangerous it can be too become water drunk. This is why Golden Boy took IVs instead of rehydrating too much. Mosley deserves to follow the tradition of boxing and not call out a little man. In this game, the little guys moves up. The big guy doesn't come down. Wow! The new boxing mafia -- i.e., the media -- led by HBO is sleaziful than when the Italian mafia was running the hurt bitnezz. At least they didn't make new titles and pseudoweight classes. The heck with a catchweight. Mosley should just go to even the score with Cotto or go up and take on Long Paul, Maul yo arse Sally. Wow! I guess that Manny is going to have to do the job. He'd ignore Sugarlite without the steroids and finish off the overhyped Punisher Paul. Somebody bring sanity back to the game. Holla!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:36:32 PM
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ali @ Mister Lee:
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You for got about Castillo & Corrales two hellva fighters and it ain't about who got the better resume it about how brings in the most money.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:39:22 PM
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MisterLee:
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Nothing personal to others, but I feel that all the Floyd lovers are now coming out of the woodwork and venting their frustrations on shane mosley. The difference between oscar and mosley is that mosley has and can still fight at welterweight, vs. oscar who hasn't fought at the weight in like 7-8 years. And everything else, as the saying goes: "different strokes for different folks." Mosley has earned the right for big money fights, and since he's at the near end of his career, he whooped in the last two fights: mayorga in 12 rounds and margarito in 9 rounds, he deserves a competitive fight that will earn a lot of money. I think manny is game at welterweight, but the only factor would be if his chin can hold up to a welterweight punch. Oscar had to shed what, 10-15 lbs for the fight. I think shane only has to shed 5-7 lbs, rehydrate, walk in to the fight at 159. That's me. @brownsugar, manny is near the end of his career too ( i don't see him fighting for more than 3 more years). Clearing out the division is not what a great fighter wants to do at the end of his career, bradley/campbell/valero... those would be exciting fights, but manny has earned the right to pick and choose fights at the end of his career. Ironically, the only person who I don't feel has earned big money fights or at least doesn't deserve them is floyd. That guy is just a cherry picker (i mean for marquez, Not pacquiao. Pacquiao will give him a handful). Hatton, de la hoya, castillo, manfredy (who?), hernandez (what a legend!) etc. pc out!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:41:04 PM
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MisterLee @ ali:
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Nah man, i was naming welterweights and above. The jr. welters he was more competitive, but come on man, those guys you named, almost all the guys on his resume can be construed as good or very good at best, not great. Pc out!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:42:38 PM
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GOAT @ Mister Lee:
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I believe PBF has the best knuckle game in the fight game, Period! Besides that, I am a true boxing fan and I am not blinded by the media hype machines choosing a new flavor of the month when it comes to boxers. Misterlee, if you hate PBF that's fine as I said before, but don't be blinded by you hate for him whereas you discredit his accomplishments. If you look at PBF/Shane/PACMAN etc records, PBF has defeated more world champions in or near their prime than anyone else. He has barely lost a round let lone a fight. He is supremely conditioned, disciplines, and very intelligent in the ring. His father and Uncle are two of the top trainers in the game because of PBF accomplishments, AND he has brought a fighting style that is unique to boxing (how many people are trying to perfect the shoulders roll/counterpunching technique). That's my personal opinion of PBF. I also like PACMAN,Shane,Kirkland, Marquez etc so I try not to discredit any of them except for when they become hypercritical.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:53:24 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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Sugar Shane definitely deserves a shot at Pacman. Unfortunately for him the ball is in Pacman's court and he will have to conform to whatever Pacman & Roach demand if he wants the fight to happen.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 01:58:49 PM
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MisterLee @ GOAT:
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Dude, I agree with everything you just said, unlike how you are trying to picture me, i'm not just a "blind hater" who' s out to get floyd. I think he's a superior athlete and boxer. I'm saying he cherry-picks his opponents and tries to get the most "bang for his buck". He's never been agst a "great" opponent in his own weight class. If he has, name me one. Title championships, accolades, as hatton put it in that commercial mean nothing when your fighting for glory or p4p status. Mosley was also a champion ever since 1997 in one form or another. Mosley has fantastic heart to have fought guys he didn't need to for little money in order to challenge himself: winky was relatively unknown and supreme when mosley first cross hands with him, and he didn't have to fight collazo, a welterweight prospect with little name but arguably beat up hatton. Again, i'm not discrediting PBF's skills, i'm discrediting his management technique (which is genius from a business standpoint, and more than conservative from a boxing standpoint). Read Toledo's blueprint to floyd, i agree with everything he wrote in it (two parts), but it doesn't mean floyd has fought the best, he simply hasn't.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 02:13:35 PM
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GOAT @ Misterlee:
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You have to look at fighters when they meet in the ring and not when they retire. When PBF fought Corrales (RIP) Corrales was the favorite and undefeated with plenty of knockouts and PBF TKOed him. Genero Hernandeez was 31-1 and the linear champ when they fought (another TKO). Jesus Chavez was 32-1 when they fought (another TKO). Hatton was 45-0(Another TKO). Zab was the linear champ and he about to get TKOed when he resorted to dirty tactics. Anger Manfredy (TKO) Phillip NDou 32-1 29 KOes got TKOed. Every fighter "cherrypicks" oponents, isnt that what PACMAN is doiong now? PACMAN is a very talented fighter and I enjoy watching him fight but he is not on the same level as PBF. Mark my word, if they fight, it will look like B-Hop/Pavlik or worse with PBF making PACMAN look like a amatuer. Styles makes fights just ask the cleveland cavs. PBF style will distroy any aggressive fighter.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 02:23:23 PM
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MisterLee,..how could you possibly know that about Shanes physiology?? ...Shanes lowest weight in 10 year was 146 against Wilfredo Rivera,... the Catch weight bout between DHL and Pacman captured the boxing fans imagination by bringing to life a fantasy bout that otherwise would have been impossible,.. problem is,.. it ain't natural,..and the tragic results left DLH a shell of his former self,... forced to retire from boxing,... Bernard Hopkins worked it in reverse,.. he suckered Winky and Pavlik into leaving their comfort zones 160,.. by luring them into the deepwaters of 170lbs,.. where they both underestimated Bhops increased strength and resilience at the higher weight,.. .. a fight between Mosely & Pac at 142 would only be a Glorified and meaningless exhibition with no real consequence because no title is at stake at catch weights, even the bragging rights don't warrant the fight,... Truth IS Pacman isn't making any efforts to draw Mosely into the ring,.. This Is All Mosely's doing,.... soliciting himself like a middle-aged hooker,.. who lost her sex appeal on the to fame and Glory,... the People want Floyd or JMM,.. and Cotto is an acceptible substitution if the Money man loses his next fight or proves too difficult to negotiate with... Shane needs to put his dress back on and fix his mascara,.. there will be other deals if he's patient,,, for fights that he has a chance of winning at a reasonable weight...with reasonable pay... like Shane vs Clottey or a big name at super welter..(dare I say Cintron, Martinez or Williams?) what about Dzinziruk?...
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 02:37:52 PM
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MisterLee @ GOAT:
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Your comments are well informed, and some of these guys could bang that Floyd got in with, but where any of them great fighters before or after facing floyd. Phillip ndou was a monster, just as ricardo torres was when he fought Cotto (undefeated at the time), but we don't need to put torres on Cotto's resume, he has mosley, margarito, and now clottey to put that up. Malignaggi was an undefeated "slick boxer" when cotto met him, it don't make him great. Has floyd ever faced a great fighter? What would happen with margarito clottey or williams, floyd can't bang them to the body, then how will he slow them down or hurt them? The pavlik bhop comparison doens't make sense, b/c they're both the same age, and pacquiao is faster than mayweather, and probably punches harder too. How is pac not on the same level as mayweather, he is considered universally as the best boxer in the world now. Mayweather has to be sized up compared to pacquiao, not the other way around. Pc out!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 02:43:19 PM
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MisterLee @ GOAT:
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Okay, i'll give floyd a little bit of a break. As a person, as an individual, he seems to think with his brain first, his heart second. If I look at it this way, it makes more sense. Floyd fights with his brain first, winning is most important,looking spectacular or bloodying up the guy is a second thought. Why retire? B/c he's young, 30, in his prime, well-accomplished, rich, and still has his health after boxing for 20 something years. That makes sense. I guess the main question is did he come back to boxing b/c of his brain or his heart? If it's brain, he'll invest in matches that will make him the most money before he can retire once again with his health and his wealth. If it's his heart, he'll fight cotto mosley and even williams. Win or lose to cotto, you can't fight cotto and not get hurt in some way, even if you win. One of cotto's left hooks can dislocate a shoulder. So from a cerebral perspective, it is not the smartest choice, so if that is how floyd thinks it makes sense, but you have to admit, it doesn't please the average boxing fan. So maybe he's not a coward and maybe he's not running, it's simply that is how his brain is built, a human, as a boxer, as a businessman, and as a promoter. But we fans want blood and guts and gore! That's it. See ya!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 02:50:46 PM
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MisterLee @ brownsugar:
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Mosley weighed in at 147 in the marg fight, de la hoya hasn't fought welterweight since the early 2000's, mosley was at welterweight in janurary. It's his last chance for a big fight since no one at welterweight including floyd wants a piece of him. If he beats pacquiao, the possibilities are endless: mayweather fight, maybe a rematch with cotto, one or two more big fights. There's no shame. Why are you so tough on mosley? Is not mayweather wanting to do the same thing as well? I think pacquiao mayweather is legit why not mosley pacquiao? I think mayweather marquez is a scam b/c marquez looked just comfortable enough to function at lightweight, i don't think he can bring power and speed up to welterweight like pacquiao. pc out!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 03:02:44 PM
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Frank@MisterLee:
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I agree floyd's a businessman and taking care of himself. You cannot blame him at all since boxing sure as hell isn't going to take care of him. Any boxer's dream is to take relatively safe fights and still make millions and grace magazine covers and get TV spots. HOwever being that floyd's a smart guy he knew that his clamoring to be the best ever (he said he's better than the original Sugar Man) then people are going to hound him to fight guys like Cotto Mosley Williams Pacquiao and beat them all fairly convincingly. Of course this is if he cares about what we actuallyt hink of him which he might not if he has the money from us buying his fights,and who can blame him then?
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 03:44:47 PM
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brownsugar:
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Mister Lee,.. Mosley got his groove back at 147,.. but Roach knows that he's too big and strong at that weight,.. Either beat a champ in his natural habitat or stick to guys closer in weight,.. Shane is crazy for offering this type of sacrifice to fight a smaller guy,.. he's not exactly living on food stamps,.. why so hardup??... target Clottey after he dispatches Cotto,.. Clottey won't duck,.. but a mismatch catch weight bout does boxing no good....we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one,..peace..
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 03:48:40 PM
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MisterLee @ brownsugar:
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Agree to disagree. Afterall, you are speaking to a diehard shane mosley fan, not quite NH status, but pretty up there. I'm rooting for mosley win or lose. Much respect to you and your perspectives. Pc out!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 03:54:42 PM
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Steve the Hater:
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Is the coward roach and Pacman fighting Mosley ?i dont think so,Pacman cherry picks his fighters this time would be the wrong fighter,go shane knock his a..ss out, just dont go below 145 lbs and the day of the fight 160 lbs of pure power and beat this overrated pilipino fighter like you did toMargo,Holla.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 03:57:58 PM
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Theboyb901:
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I'm not a huge fan of fights at catch weights. I think if the fight happens it should be at 144 lbs. but Feddie "the joke coach" Roach is going to demand something lower and every fight for pacquiao here on out is going to be made at a weight in which the opponents drains himself. But the pacman groupies will become blind to thaPr
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 03:58:41 PM
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ali @ brownsugar:
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I agree with you 100% Shane needs to stop acting so desperate it makes him look bad. There is other fighters at 147 he can fight and make money with he just might have to wait til next year to get Pac or Mayweather. He would be stupid as hell to fight Pac at 142 cause the older you get the harder it is to lose that kind weight and still be the same fighter. At the end of the day he going to wish he did'nt fight him at 142 and Pac would be stupid to go thru with a fight at 142 cause everybody will say the same thing they said when he fought Oscar that Shane was a drain fighter that's the reason why he won.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:07:34 PM
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JohnC:
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Lets get it on, pacman will move up 3 lbs and mosley to move down 3 lbs, thats the happy medium. This fight will be good for the fans.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:08:11 PM
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BullDizer:
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Shane "needs" to fight Pacquiao whether it be for money or for glory.
Mayweather "needs" to fight a FIGHTER and not just a boxer.
Pacquiao "needs" to fight everybody to go down as an all-time great.
These, three boxers have proven themselves and still needs to prove more. I'm sure all of us here have our own "what if's". So, it'd be better if the best fighters would really get on w/ it, so we could tell our grand kids about the boxing greats we have during our times.
Undoubtedly, these three magnificos have been slugging out a lot and whether we agree on it or not. Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao "needs" to fight one another to have a clear cut view on who is the "Big Draw" in boxing. Plus, the Hor's d' Voures of 21st century boxing.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:20:58 PM
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kilo4kilo:
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Suger said he fights for the FANS, Pacman said he also fights for the fans. NO EXCUSES NO BS. Golden Boy and Top Rank I hope you guys are listening. I would spend my hard earned money to watch these two great fighters duke it out! May the best fighter win!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:28:21 PM
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MisterLee standing up for Shane:
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Shane doesn't have problems "pulling the trigger", nor has he "not had a knockout victory in a major fight in years" like the golden boy, nor does he "choke when it comes to his important mega fights" like the golden boy, nor has he retired and come back to the sport nor has he "not fought at welterweight in 8 years" nor will he try to walk into the fight without rehydratng, nor will he eat ostrich meat, nor will he try to meet the catchweight one month before the fight nor will he bring in top advisor angelo dundee to sharpen his corner ("no one works harder than this oscar guy, he just loves boxing and training")... yeah so shane mosley is not oscar de la hoya, just so you know.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:38:06 PM
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ganiRends:
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As far as what I"ve just read lately, it seems that Mosley is the hottest among the three prospects..which includes Jr. and Miguel. Jr is scared and his excuse is the purse split, while Miguel is making excuses regarding the catch weight.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 04:42:49 PM
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brownsugar@ali:
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well said Ali,.. this behavior is not worthy of a warrior like Shans...
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:03:06 PM
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brownsugar@ali:
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Pac is good,.. but no natural welterweight fears,.. or has reason to fear Pac,.. as good as Pac is,.. he's still the little guy...there are no more Ricky Hattons at 147,.. a win by Pac against any 147lb welterweight champ has to considered phenominal... or else why do you think Roach is demanding catchweights...(really is should be called "dropweights").. he knows he has to give his smaller guy an advantage...that turns the fight into an exhibition instead of a title-fight... Greed,...and The Quest for cash has gotten out of hand,..and has created this deviant aberration of the fight game,.............. just fight for a title,.. any title...
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:19:48 PM
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brownsugar:
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IT SEEMS ALL THE ARGUMENTS ARE A MOOT POINT NOW AS MANNY HAS ACCEPTED SHANES DESPARATE CHALLENGE,.. PAC VS SHANE IS NOW OFFICIALLY ON!!!!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:27:56 PM
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MisterLee:
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So what does that make mayweather marquez at 144? I swear the biggest critics of this matchup are really diehard mayweather fans. you guys are scapegoating on shane man! shane is a warrior! Redirecting your frustration of mayweather's criticisms onto shane! A type of collective catharsis on part of die hard mayweather fans and NH's.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:30:57 PM
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Bob Arum:
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@GOAT: You are stupid as as a GOAT! You obviously dont know anything about boxing.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:31:24 PM
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MisterLee:
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LLLLLLeetttttt's get ready to RUUUUUUUUMBLE!!!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:31:30 PM
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isidro:
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Shane is not ODLH ,for sure this will be an exciting fight and not like Hatton ,Mosley Is a moving target.Pacuiao will be meeting a live weltherweight fighter with a reduced body weight.But just the same ,complete team Pacuiao's training regimens and fightplan is the proven assurance to the boxing people that it's not a predictable match.Shane is 38 yrs old if and when this fight take place by the month of October 09',that also add up in leveling the playing field.Conclusion a match worth to pay and see.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:38:23 PM
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MisterLee:
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Shane will walk in around 154-158. Pacquiao will walk in around 147-148. Shane will take the day, late round KO. Pacquiao will then fight marquez, and maybe mayweather by 2010. Mosley will then have a mayweather fight in his hands, or a rematch with Cotto, and then 1-2 more big fights and then retire. That's how i feel at least! pc out! :)
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 05:41:41 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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Awe yeah, Sugar Shane vs Pacman. Be sure to make a toast and thank the boxing gods for this one cuz its gonna be a great one.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 06:06:16 PM
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MisterLee:
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For pacquiao: up agst a seasoned vet with a huge right hand and a good left hook, speed almost up to his own, a cast iron chin, a heart the size of Arroela's belly, and a willingness to mix it up + "that darn genie." For Mosley: he's up agst a wily southpaw, a fighter with power in both hands, the fastest opponent hes' ever and will ever face, great footwork, unorthodox style, a crazy straight left hand that shotguns from the holster like a flash, aggressive, ability to counter punch, can take body shots, very sleek, BUT someone he could hurt with the right punch. Hard to find a sparring partner similar to pacquiao, but as long as shane doesn't say something stupid like "my speed is as good as his" he should be fine, plus with that darn genie, he might make it competiive and make pacquiao beatable at that weight. I'm for shane, pacquiao is a great warrior, no offense to pacquiao nor his fans or phillipines, but Mosley BOMA YE!!! :)
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 06:41:12 PM
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MisterLee + 's:
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Pacquiao tiene cajones grandes. Si!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 06:43:32 PM
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jefrox:
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Definitely, we , filipinos here in the philippines like mostly so much because he resembles our true blood as filipino fighters. When we fight we don't duck opponent , we even kill each other because of our pride. We don't really like the character of mayweather, he is a gay for us. He is afraid , coward and deserves to be eaten by fleas. When he comes here, he will be met by boos and boos. Cowards die a thousand deaths.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:13:37 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite :
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Shane Mosley will suffer the first time being stop in his wonderful career if he fights Manny at a catchweight. Sugarlite off the steroids will catch a heavy arse whipping. Maybe at 28, he'd coulda pulled a Superman, but not at 38. His body will not allowed him to special no matter how much his mind fools him in goes into a state of dark delusion. I reminded of when GOAT Ali at 38 tried to do the impossible with Larry Holmes. No doctor or genie in the world could stop Holmes from putting down a beatdown. Shane will be easy meat for Manny at a catchweight, PERIOD! PacMan will beat FadedMan silly in seven rounds. Holla!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:20:55 PM
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Boxer:
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Looks like its PACMAN vs SUGAR SHane!!!!!! Oct. 17!!!!! Or around that time.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:22:01 PM
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Musang:
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Pacman will KO Shane Mosley in September and then KO Miguel Cotto in December. One last fight with El Dinamita next year. Mayweather will just be ignored (he does not matter, this is what he deserves).
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:23:25 PM
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Radam G, a humble PacManite :
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***His body will not allowed him to be special no matter how much his mind fools him in to going into a state of dark delusion. I'm reminded of when GOAT Ali at 38 tried to do the impossible with Larry Holmes. No doctor or genie in the world could stop Holmes from putting down a beatdown. Shane will be easy meat for Manny at a catchweight, PERIOD! PacMan will beat FadedMan silly in seven rounds. Holla!
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:23:40 PM
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avidboxingfan:
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don't BUY marquez - fraudmayweather PPV fight pls! have u not seen ESPNs' kenny's interview of PBF? i'm not totally a pacman fan, i'm an avid boxing fan. i love to watch the best fight and PBF doesn't want to fight the best. he said he don't want to fight pacman, mosley bec they're not PPV attraction and have 3 or more losses on their resumes. what about JMM? is he a PPV attraction and no losses? why not fight pacquiao if he wants to fight the best and claim he's still the P4P king? or fight mosley and claim the best WW. unless PBF fights the called P4P king, he is not entitled for most of his claim that he still the P4P king. did pacman choose to be the P4P king? completely not! it's the people who saw him fight who proclaimed pacman as the P4P king. PBF's ego is as big as his mouth. talking too much but obviously a coward! not doing what he preach! acting as if he's intelligent about boxing. shame on him. disgracing kenny just like senior disrespecting roach! he's just jealous because most people believe that pacman is the most popular fighter now and not PBF. this translate to PPV attraction than him. i know there are a lot who disagrees me because they're like PBFtalking too much and their ego is like mt. everest thinking no one can beat him and conquer him and yet he did not prove to everyone by fighting the best fighter out there! i bet that pacman - mosley is completely better than PBF - JMM in PPV buys.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:25:42 PM
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Sit back & relax @ brownsugar:
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"dropweights"? hello! you are seeing only the one side of the picture.
How about from 140 to 13-144? do you consider that dropweights? lolz!
Catchweight is the right term.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 07:26:05 PM
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the Roast:
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I havent read all these posts but the fact is Shane divorced his wife who was also his manager. Sugar is running out of time and he needs to get paid. I'd much rather see them square off at 147.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:15:14 PM
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Viel Mervic:
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Update: Unconfirmed reports say that Manny Pacquiao agreed to the challenge of Mosley, and apparently would be taking 60% of the revenues for the "unconfirmed" fight, at a catchweight between 141-147 pounds. Again, this is unconfirmed as of the moment.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:21:37 PM
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brownsugar@MisterLee:
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Mister Lee,... Mayweather has nothing to do with this equation,.. plus he's a smaller guy naturally than Mosely and is not fighting for a title,.. your impromtu psychoanalysis is way off,.. But it appears the fights going to happen anyway,.. so all that's left is to watch the fireworks,..
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:27:11 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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Obviously, Manny's balls are bigger than his brains. This will be a good fight, Mosley will make it competetive you can count on that. This will not end in a decision so I say 7th round TKO victory for Mannyyyyy Pacmannnnn Pacquiaooooooo!! You heard it first folks.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:39:32 PM
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brownsugar@Sit Back:
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recently history has become littered with the remains of boxers trying to dropweight to make big fights,.. and the results have been disasterous,.. it's easy to train up in weight,(Jones fighing at heavyweight is an example).. rarely does it work in reverse(see Byrd vs George),.. as the human body can't perform when its depleted.. if Shane had a history of coming into a fights anywhere near 142 then I would have anything to say,.. unless Shane has some access to some form of legal, revolutionary cutting-edge sports medicine,..there is no way he will be able to hold Pacman off for 12 rounds after having made 142lbs..Oscar still hasn't gained back his normal weight after messing up his metabolism by dropping to 145...
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 09:43:00 PM
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borh:
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I'd love to see Mosley and Pacquiao in the ring--they're not just great fighters--they are the closest thing to the gladiators of the past. It's certain the duo will be locked in a classic combat--any other combinations will not come close to one that Mosley and Pacquiao will bring into the ring.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 10:06:25 PM
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the Roast:
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I'm with you again, brownsugar. I don't like Shanes chances goin down the scales. Jin got alot of Shane's $$$$$$ for sure and he needs to make some back before it's too late. Mosley is no Ricky Hatton though. He's not gonna fall for that banana in the tailpipe routine.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 10:30:38 PM
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jackal:
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I would like to think that Mosley's interest in fighting Pacquiao is all about money. Even if it is 60/40 in Pacquiao's favor, Mosley will still get his lion's share of the money. He's old but still competitive, however, much money is at stake if Pacquiao fights Mayweather. Moreover, Mosley's fights is quite dangerous for Pacquaio that a loss will ruin a multi-million dollar fight with Mayweather.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:13:11 PM
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KA-BAR:
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I like Mosley and I do think he deserves the shot a Pacquiao before anybody else after the way he defeated Margarito there's no arguement he is the number 1 welterweight right now but please shane don't go any lower then two pounds from 147 if you must. I think Roach is scared of mosley though and with good reason but I'm sick of seeing Roach play with peoples weight just to defeat them when he's got no problem going to 147 to beat a washed up and dryed out De La Hoya if he belives in Pac so much and he's the best pound 4 pound fighter then let him fight a real welterweight the number 1 at that, Mayweather jr. never did that he would go to your weight to school you. Mosely does need to stop cryin' about Mayweather jr. though cause he could've fought him countless times in the pass I don't blame Mayweather for making him sweat. Mosley could've had Mayweather before he fought De la Hoya or before he fought Forrest and after he fought Vargas but he didn't want anything to do with Mayweather instead he opted to go to the dentist and go on Vacation so please shane stop complaining. I don't consider Mosley a ducker of any fighter but he's lyin' if he says that he couldn't fight Mayweather jr. sooner.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:40:50 PM
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ronaldolea72:
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this is a good match up.. but in the end alot of bad comments will come out, if ever pac beats mosley at catch weight critics will say pac fights a dehydrated mosley, or a washed up mosley, a not on his prime mosley, excuses, excuses. thisfight should be made at 147 and no more excuses, if team Pac thinks mosley is a bigger fighter they should not fight Mosley.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:46:36 PM
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terio:
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Shane Mosley really wants that fight against the Pacman.. Coz time is running out, Pacman wants to retire after Oct 17... though Shane will still kiss the canvass if he fights at 144 against the Pacman..
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:51:28 PM
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learn:
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GOAT, your dead wrong. Nobody wanted to fight Vernon back in the day, it was too risky. Mosley stepped up to the plate and he lost. Get your facts straight.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:55:50 PM
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Theboyb901:
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I think all of this is to set up at mega fight, Pac vs JMM III and May vs Mosely. I personally don't think we'll ever see a Pac vs May. And after Mosely, May will fight Cotto. And retire undefeated. I think Pac is good but I don't see him beating Mosely, Cotto, or Money May. Freddie "the joke coach" Roach true colors are coming to light with this weight catching.
Wednesday Jun 3, 2009 11:59:18 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yo yo... @ The boyb901... You know something about boxing... but still, calling Freddie Roach that name is kind of demeaning, considering he has and is still coaching the best boxer on the planet, has turned khan's career around, is training anderson silva and has trained other great fighters like Penalosa. It's sad that the "real joke" was mayweather sr. for doing all that talking and not-so-good poetry, and having a fighter who got his butt whooped and shown no improvement. Mayweather sr. really got off scot-free. But coaching 101, if you can't get your information into your fighter's head, it means you're not a good coach! You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you're a jerk, you show up late, you piss off your staff, you lose the respect of your athlete, then your status goes out the window. The hatton fight was just as much mayweather sr's fault as anyone else, if not more so. Coaches like richardson get reward for a win of their fighter, why wouldn't a coach be responsible for a fighter's loss? Roach is not "showing his true colors", he understands that at welterweight manny is at disadvantage, he understands manny has currency power and therefore negotiating power, he recognizes that manny is a jr. welterweight, so anything close to that would make manny more comfortable. Freddie is the one who called the de la hoya fight and really lobbied for it to be worked out, he was the one who called the Hatton fight to be over within 3 rounds, he called many things right, so I think everyone should show Freddie more respect and if nothing else, some awe, he's the best p4p trainer in the world right now! Followed by Nazim "That Darn Genie" Richardson, the guy who teaches his athletes to "gold mine without getting dust". Hahaha...pc out! :)
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 12:55:37 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P Legend":
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Get 'em Lee, hell yeah these Mayweathers should be the one to call "JOKE" both Roger and May Sr. said the fight should be easy for Hatton but what happen. They've gone LOoNeY Toons in the boxing scene I tell yah. I think May Sr. has really been put to place by Manny and Freddie "The Dream Coach" Roach. I hope he learned his lessons that fighters do the trash talking and not the trainers.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 01:30:15 AM
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elicor822:
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Manny is champ at 140lbs, Shane at 147lbs, let them fight at middle catch weight at 143.5lbs. But since Shane is bigger, they should settle between 142-143lbs. Money split at 60/40 for Manny is reasonable. If these are acceptable to Shane's camp, then the match will happen, and it will be a spectacular match up. whoever wins, i think Mayweather will become just but a good thing in the past.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 03:51:52 AM
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PACundo:
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sugar shane mosley is an old type of boxing, he might be like a punching bag by manny, shane mosley should retire by himself than waiting manny to let him retired just like de la hoya and etc..... shane,better to retire having a crown not being dethroned by manny.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 06:10:06 AM
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Niko:
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Mosley defeated Margarito "without the plaster". Thats de only reason the cheater from Tijuana KO'd Cotto. Antonio is a disgrace....
Mosley is way behind Cotto or Mayweather.
Pacman will have a very hard time if he fights PBF.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 08:13:27 AM
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RED:
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I understand why Shane is pushing so hard to fight Manny. He's not getting any younger. The source of high paying bouts will be quickly coming to an end. Also, he did humiliate Margarito. However, Floyd retired at the very top. Shane clearly lost to Cotto and he even admitted as much after the fight. Margarito did not have plaster in his gloves when Shane faced him, making "Manos de Plaster of Paris" nothing other than the jouneyman he was for most of his career. Manny dismantled DLH. Manny curshed Hatton. Shane, well, other than a PLASTERLESS Margacheato, has not done anything that would give him priority over Floyd. Reality bites.
Love, RED
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 09:06:16 AM
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I dont want to see this fight. Mosley is DYING for a pay day! He knows he cant get Manny or the PBF-Marquez winner, Floyd was right for once, Sugar Shame doesnt bring in the $$$$$. Remember his fight against Mayorga? 5000 fans at the Home Depot Center!!! IN LA, his HOMETOWN.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 10:16:09 AM
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@ Red and Niko. There some other things in the marg fight shane shown that he hadn't in a while: a great jab he used often, good combinations, good head movement, smothering marg's punches and then fighting on the inside, first person to take marg to the body (he buckled after 1 body punch at the first min of the 1st round), first person to knock out marg in recent history, great endurance, good poise even when being hit, swam without getting wet. Shane also beat de la hoya in his prime, he fought cotto to a disputed decision (if he had used his jab often and had a better game plan, he would have won instead of going "right hand crazy". Shane has been asking for a rematch for almost two years, hasn't happeend, cotto himself said pre-marg fight that shane was the toughest fight he ever had b/c of how shane timed his right hand over his left), he beat collazo, mayorga... can' t take it away from him how he has revitalized his career. When he gets a chance, he gonna rock cotto or clottey or both! Pc out!
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 12:14:47 PM
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Shane also lot to a southpaw nice Ronald Wright. He has no chance to beat Manny. Fo' sure!
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 12:22:14 PM
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rudy:
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Cotto, Manny OUTBOX Mosley w/ease. He beat Margarito because Margarito is slow and was able to shut his offense down by CLINCHING like crazy. Cotto/Manny have SPEED and great boxing ability, both cruise to UD's against him.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 12:55:04 PM
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@ Smiley C, and Shane beat a southpaw named Luis Collazo! Yep. @ Rudy, round 10, cotto mosley? If it weren't for that wet stain...
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 01:49:52 PM
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rudy:
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Wet stain? WTF? Cotto outboxed his a$$, it was a clear cut win. Mosley pressed late but was still getting outboxed for majority of every round. First half of the fight, Cotto was killing him to the body that he tried the hug+hit technique but Cotto was too good and still whooped him.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 02:19:41 PM
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haha.. rewatch round 10, mosley staggered cotto, cotto was on the ropes, the ref broke the action for 10 secs so the corner can wipe a wet stain, and cotto recovered and won back the round. I admit mosley was clinching probably b/c he was tired and trying to tie up cotto. Mosley underestimated Cotto, thinking he was the bigger man as cotto had just moved up in weight, plus he didn't have a jab nor a gameplan in that fight, and he still had cotto's ears ringing with those over hand rights. It was a competitive fight, with Cotto dancing in the late rounds b/c he gave up on trying to exchange or hurt mosley, so he went for a decision. Cotto was not so far superior to mosley that a rematch is unwarranted. Plus, marg beat cotto , cotto beat mosley, mosley beat marg, so it's a triangle theory, b/c mosley lost the first fight does not make him a lesser fighter. Yep. And if we look at all time ratings mosley has done more and better things in the boxing ring than cotto has yet (tho he's still young and making a name for himself). Pc out! I'm a fan of cotto also, but you can't discount mosley's accomplishments nor abilities. Cotto has a chinny chin, mosley dosen't, that will make all the difference in future fights. Just ask ricardo torres!
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 04:10:02 PM
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There's always a chance for Mosley, especially if it's at 147, but if he's weight drained, Manny will win a clear decision. I said Shane will go the distance because he just plain has more fight in him then Oscar De La Hoya did/does, no matter what the weight.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 04:16:58 PM
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@ Isaiah, agreed. Tho i still have mosley winning, but your opinion is absolutely right. Pc out!
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 04:46:11 PM
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rudy:
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Mosley beat a plaster free Margarito, big difference from when Cotto fought him. And to me, it was clear cut win, UD!!!!!!!!! I dont know a single person that had it for Mosley or thought a rematch was NECESSARY. Mosley should just go after Cotto-Clottey winner, quit this whole desperation act, pretty sorry if you ask me. He doesnt have the drawing power of Marquez, Manny, Cotto, Floyd, Hatton, Oscar. Not even close! He is not in there league when it comes to big $$$$$ fights/events
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 04:53:47 PM
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Pacman will not fight Mosley cause Pac is SCARED to face tough competition. Pacman has ducked a 3rd Marquez fight, Pac has also ducked Humberto Soto, Edwin Valero, Nate Cambell, Joan Guzman, Juan Diaz.
Soto has chased Pac for 2 years and Pac keeps running from him.
Valero was promised to fight Pacman if Valero signed with Top Rank, but Pac wants to retire.
Guzman called out Pac, but Pac chickened-out.
Juan Diaz called out Pac numerous times, and Pac chickened-out too.
Instead, Pac choose to fight C-level fighters like David Diaz. And after he won the WBC Lightweight Title from Diaz, he vacated it, when he found out that he had to defend it against the #1 contender, Edwin Valero.
The same thing occurred last year. After Pac won the WBC Super-Featherweight Title, he vacated it cause he was scared to defend against the then #1 contender, Humberto Soto.
This is why Pac refuses to hold on to a World Title, so that he can avoid fighting mandatories. Pac hasn’t defendended a World Title in almost 6 years!!!, since 2003 (against Emmanuel Lucero). Pac just goes around handpicking the Old, thee over-the-hill, the past-their-primes fighters. Right now, that Pac is the 140lb I.B.O. Champion, he will wait to fight another C-level fighter instead of unifying the titles against 140lb W.B.C. Champion Timothy Ray Bradley.Pac is SCARED to face a tough young fighter. That is why Pac plans on retiring after 2 more fights...... ha ha, What a CHICKEN!! Pacman is the most OVERRATED “champion” in boxing.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 05:30:20 PM
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MIsterLee @ rudy:
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Wow, so i guess you don't recognize mosley cotto rd 10? Or that cotto was dancing b/c he gave up on trying to hurt mosley, maybe was scared of mosley's power, and was getting a bit winded? Your whole concept of what makes good prize fights and great fights for fans seems kind of skewed, am I talking to Mayweather jr. himself? Its not like cotto clottey is a summer blockbuster but as cotto says, who's the winner: "the fans". Pc out!
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 05:50:51 PM
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ganiRends:
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According to the record of books PACMAN is already the best boxer in the planet, ever existed..even if he retires today. Pretty Boy on the other hand remains Pretty as she hides, I mean he hides his face forever when he fights. Mosley is abolutely not desperate fighter for fighting the great PACMAN..he will be for sure part of PACS journey. Cotto, after Mosley's defeat will have no choice but to fight PAC not below 145 as he had already mention. Marquez would soon be fighting Valero in 2010..my simple analysis.
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 05:54:28 PM
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RED @ Mister Lee:
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Round 10? Sir, a boxing match is a 12 round affair. Shane got beat. I mean, this has not even been an issue until now because of Shane's rather desperate attempts to get that big fight he wants. Cotto dominated Shane. Done. Shane himself admitted it. Done. Shane beat a plasterless Margacheato. Done. Margacheato will prove to be nothing other than a journeyman. Done. Manny would slap Shane silly. Done.
Love, RED
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 06:42:15 PM
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MisterLee:
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Obviously we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this matter. I bet a plate of crow that A.) Clottey will beat cotto in 10th rd tko B.) That Mosley will either get Pacquiao in a late round TKO or UD. Talk is talk, but we're gonna see what kind of action actually happens in the ring. I'm a cotto fan too, like i say, but he's not a machine, his chin will get tested agst clottey, what's your prediction?
Thursday Jun 4, 2009 08:48:51 PM
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RED @ Mister Lee:
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But this has nothing to do with Cotto. This has everything to do with Shane. Who cares if Clottey beats Cotto for purposes of Shane?. The point is that Shane wants to climb to the top of the mountain and bypass other fighters ONLY based on his victory over Margarito. The problem is that when one objectively looks at that accomplishment in context, it loses some luster. Floyd left on top after beating everyone. Manny is a monster. Cotto beat Shane (again, please remember his comments after the fight while being interviewed in the ring where he admitted as much). The 10th round was a great round for Shane. Yes, he hurt Cotto. So?
Tell me this: Why should Shane fight Manny over Mayweather or Cotto?
Love, RED
Friday Jun 5, 2009 06:44:17 AM
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rudy:
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Red did a good job of making my points for me. 1 round doesnt make it for a rematch to be deserving. UNANIMOUS DECISION for Cotto!!! Cotto brought in the $, Manny brings in the $, Floyd brings in the $, Shane DOESNT. Why he is so desperate that he had his people make up this BS about fighting Manny in October.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 09:41:39 AM
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MIsterLee:
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Margacheato made the same negotiating mistake: called out Shane's "low numbers" and his unexciting style agst Mayorga ("I fell asleep, and someone shook me and then shane knocked out mayorga"), and that he would host "his retirement party", and then Shane became the first guy to take him to the body and then later to KO him. Cotto didn't even hurt Margarito, so does that make shane a better puncher? @ red "Floyd left on top after beating everyone". I'm sure! He was so dominant over these great champions: judah, baldomir, old de la hoya. I mean floyd has such a better resume than mosley, just look: prime de la hoya (twice), vargas, collazo, prime winky (twice), mayorga, prime vernon forrest (twice), cotto, margarito. I guess mosley would have had trouble with Manfredy, hernandez, and chop chop corley, i mean they're all such great fighters, future GOAT's fo sho'! :) "So? Tell me this: Why should Shane fight Manny over Mayweather or Cotto?" 1.) The scheduling is better: shane fought back in janurary, so he's ready to go any time, manny fought in may, mayweahter doens't fight til july. 2.) It's a fight that fight fans REALLY want to see. It'll be very competitive and both of them are definite living legends (mayweather is not a legend) 3.) Mosley is the lineal welterweight champion of the world, manny is the lineal jr. welterweight champion of the world. 4.) Mosley is not gonna throw a fit in negotiations or try to price himself out 5.) Mayweather needs a tune up fight before fighting anyone. 6.) Manny doesnt' make excuses nor duck opponents, if he's considering cotto or mosley, he has bigger cajonese than a bigger Floyd jr., floyd jr. doesn't have cajones, he has dinero, pero no tiene machismo! At retirement time, manny will be relegated as a possible GOAT, Floyd jr. will be a big "What if?"
Friday Jun 5, 2009 10:14:52 AM
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RED@ Mister Lee:
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Now, now. Be fair.
Floyd fought and BEAT Corrales (in his prime). Castillo (twice). DLH. Hatton.
Shane beat DLH (his second victory was a robbery in the eyes of evevryone but Shane). Lost to Vernon Forrest (twice). Lost to Winky (twice). Lost to Cotto. He did beat Mayorga and Vargas!! (LMAO!) Oh, yes, Collazo, hall of fame material.
Come on. By the way, CAJONES are big boxes. COJONES are testicles. Just for you own education. Peace.
Love, RED
Friday Jun 5, 2009 12:57:25 PM
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MisterLee @ RED:
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Aight, enough debating man, let's just say you think Floyd's resume is comparable or better than mosley, i think otherwise. That's that. so your rooting for pacquiao agst mosley? I got some crow on the line, either eating or serving, i'm putting that up for mosley. ANd who do you have for this weekend's fight? I got clottey 10rd tko, let's play CROW! :) pc out!
Friday Jun 5, 2009 01:27:25 PM
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RED@Mister Lee:
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You're on, dear. Cotto will CLEARLY beat Clottey.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 01:40:31 PM
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MisterLee:
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Dude, it's all good. I"m gonna eat or serve crow. However, what's with the "love and dear's" man, a little too homosocial for Mr. Lee! Unless you're an old lady, then I apologize ma'am! Pc out! Or are you from the country or the "Dirty South"? :) Pc, i reckon son. What's your prediction? UD, TKO/KO? DQ? Draw? pc out! If you're red, then I'm blue dada deeda, daaa dada dee da.....
Friday Jun 5, 2009 01:48:43 PM
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Rico Sioting:
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W/ due respect to Bob Arum favorin' a Marquez or Cotto fight 4 his prize fighter sayin' is much better than a Mosley fight...I beg to disagree, Bobfather, for Shane represents the black community....Africa alone is bigger than South America....There are blacks in South America but there are a few latinos in Africa..
Friday Jun 5, 2009 05:44:04 PM
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Bucu:
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Make sure test for steroid beofe and during fight. Another cheato.
Friday Jun 5, 2009 06:15:25 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yeah! Mosley might apply some clear cream during the fight instead of vaseline! This is tru! I saw it on wikipedia! Also, mosley better be ready to pee by the turn buckle between rounds 3& 4, and 7 & 8, he's been known to hook up some EPO in between rounds for extra endurance! But who I am to say? Roy Jones tested postive for anabolic steroids agst richard hall! musta forgot! :)
Friday Jun 5, 2009 07:26:17 PM
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Clinton Portis:
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Shane beat Margarito one of the boxers that Mayweather avoided. Shane deserved a big fight because he's not like Floyd, he fights the greatest opposition there is available to him although we all know why he like a Pac bout is because of the money. But even then he has gained more respect in people's eyes than Mayweather who is truely the biggest joke is boxing today.
Tuesday Jun 9, 2009 12:22:07 AM
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amew:
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Yeah! yeah! yeah! right ya'll....
it's nice to hear different music playing....
i Guess bottom line is that everybody now wants a shot of the $$$$$$$$
no matter how,,, pacquiao is 5'6",,, and everybody is 'wynin' COME ON!!!
Tuesday Jul 14, 2009 03:13:52 AM
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J. Christ:
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Less than a year later, Mayweather destroys Mosley (whom Pacman ducked) and is going to destroy Pacman too.
Monday Jun 7, 2010 03:47:34 PM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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