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Wednesday May 27, 2009

Dawson and Shaw wanted to make it work with Cloud, but Team Cloud turned down a showcase undercard fight. Now, Bad Chad holds just the IBO belt. But the IBO is looking pretty sane these days...

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We're Sure Tavoris Cloud Is A Nice Guy, But...

By Ron Borges

 Difficult as it may be to believe, once there was a time when world title belts were more than an albatross around a fighter’s neck.

      To hold all of them, at least at a time when there were a far more manageable three (WBC, WBA, IBF), was to make a statement of your superiority over your peers. To hold them in multiples today is to make a statement of a different sort, most often the kind light heavyweight champion Chad Dawson made Wednesday afternoon.

      That’s when Dawson’s promoter, Gary Shaw, informed the IBF during their annual meeting in Panama that they could have their title belt back because it was no longer worth the aggravation of trying to defend it against mandatory challengers like Tavoris Cloud.

      Who? Exactly the point.

      Tavoris Cloud is 19-0 with 18 knockouts. Good for him. A year ago he was fighting a guy, Jacob Rodriguez, with a 9-19 record in an eight round fight in Cicero, Ill. Not so good for him. This is not a guy who deserves to be in the ring with Chad Dawson?

      That is not simply a question nor is it simply my opinion. It is more importantly the opinion of the suits at HBO who pay big money to guys like Dawson but not to fight guys like Cloud. Once they informed Shaw that while Cloud may be the IBF’s idea of a mandatory challenger he was not their idea of a challenger at all and because of it they would not televise such a bout.

      This might seem like a dilemma for Dawson but a year ago he went through the same nonsense with the WBC and gave them their belt back as well so he could fight former light heavyweight champion Antonio Tarver for the biggest payday of his career rather than Adrian Diaconu, a name that very likely will lead most readers to the same response they had when Tavoris Cloud’s name was first mentioned (although not so much any more).

      “How does someone like Tavoris Cloud become a mandatory challenger?’’ asked Shaw from Panama Wednesday afternoon. “He may be a great guy. I have nothing against him but how does someone like that become the No. 1 contender?

      “We asked for an exception to fight Glen Johnson on HBO and the IBF didn’t grant it. They want us to fight an opponent TV has no interest in. Chad could keep his belt if he’s willing to fight for $150,000 or earn $800,000 against a tougher opponent in a fight the media seems to want to see. At some point you have to make a business decision.’’

      Dawson (28-0, 17 KO) did but it is never as easy for most fighters as it might seem. Boxing is a business for everyone but them. They are the only people in it who didn’t start out in boxing for bucks. For guys like Dawson boxing was a sport long before it became prize fighting, a fact lost on most everybody else involved.

      The dream for kids who start like him is not to make $1 million fighting on HBO, although in time that becomes the dream for most of them. Initially the dream is simply to wear a world champion’s belt. To achieve something. To be noticed.

      That is a dream that dies hard, although outfits like the IBF, WBC and WBA make it easier as time passes and they make these kinds of absurd decisions.

      “I’m one of the few who believe the belts are valuable,’’ Shaw said. “Every young fighter dreams of winning a championship, not making a million dollars. They start out fighting for ribbons. They go to the Olympics to win a medal.

      “They turn pro and want to win a world title belt. That’s what they carry into the ring. They don’t carry in their checkbook. But there comes a time, after you’ve won some titles like Chad has, that you want to make some money.  You don’t make it fighting Tavoris Cloud.’’

      In an effort to broker a deal that would keep the IBF belt around Dawson’s waist, Shaw offered Cloud’s management team the opportunity to fight underneath Dawson-Johnson, if the fight gets made, on HBO and then promised him his mandatory challenge next.

      Proving not everyone in boxing is a businessman, they turned it down. Shaw remained incredulous why.

      “You have a guy nobody knows and you can put him on HBO and come back a second time against Dawson on HBO and you pass that up?’’ Shaw said. “I’d take that in a minute if I had a young fighter. If you graduate from journalism school and get offered short money to go to work for the New York Times do you go or do you take a few more dollars and move to Iowa and hope somebody finds you? How do you turn down a chance to fight on HBO?’’

      Cloud’s people found a way and at that point Dawson found a way to relinquish the IBF’s belt. So now the best light heavyweight in the world holds only the far less recognized but increasingly more legitimate IBO title. No young kid dreams of one day becoming IBO champion but Ed Levine’s computerized rankings at least have a system behind them that make sense. What they often lead to are ratings that have some substance to them, which is more than one can say for most of the other ratings.

      What those ratings have yet to lead to is a title belt the boxing world thinks of as more than an after-thought but if the IBF, WBC and WBA continue to put champions in these kinds of predicaments the continued erosion of their legitimacy and standing in the sport will escalate and maybe one day the IBO will get some recognition for its efforts in trying to sort out this mess.

      For Chad Dawson, that moment has come. He now makes business decisions, not boxing decisions. He now keeps the IBO title and dumps the IBF because he’s won the belts now and what have they won for him?

      They’ve won him a lot of headaches and the opportunity to fight for five times less money than he could make without them.

       “Sanctioning bodies are a business,’’ Shaw said. “They’re not a non-profit. So what are they thinking with their ratings? Cloud may be a nice guy but I don’t know how he gets rated No. 1. Shouldn’t he have to fight someone? Shouldn’t he have to fight Glen Johnson to get to us?

      “We were willing to fight Johnson to get to him but not even that was good enough. Fortunately, belts don’t define Chad Dawson. He’s the light heavyweight champion and everyone in boxing understands that. People know RING’S champion (Bernard Hopkins)* won’t fight him. We’re not calling him out any more. He’s not on our radar screen. He can retire or do what he wants.

      “RING magazine can call him their champion because he fights for the guy who owns RING magazine but he’s not the champion of anything.’’

      These days Chad Dawson is, even if he’s no longer the champion of the IBF or the WBC or of a magazine owned by Golden Boy Promotions. He’s the champion in exile and maybe someone should start an organization for such guys.

      E.X.I.L.E.’s champions would be among the best fighters in the world these days. It’s a notion whose time has come.

      “The RING belt used to have some meaning but it doesn’t any more,’’ Shaw said. “When a promoter owns it, it loses its meaning. If they can buy RING or HBO or SHOWTIME more power to them. I wish I could have done it but I couldn’t. I’m not knocking them for it but I never thought I’d see that.

      “Of course, I never thought I’d see the day you’d give up the IBF belt and keep the IBO belt, either.’’ 
 

     *-Hopkins did hold the Ring belt, but currently he is the No. 1 rated light heavy, and Chad Dawson is No.2, according to Ring. Calzaghe lost the Ring belt to Joe Calzaghe on April 19, 2008. Thanks to Nigel Collins, Ring editor, for pointing this out to us. --MW

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ali:  That show you what kind of fighter Dawson is he's willing to give up his belt to fight a guy that gave him his toughest fight.
Thursday May 28, 2009 09:32:51 AM
rudy:  Another perfomance like the one against Gonzalez on FNF's should get him the fight he wants.
Thursday May 28, 2009 09:33:08 AM
Fistic Fury:  People complain about the heavyweight division??? This is by far the worst division in the sport. Who is there at light heavy? Dawson, Johnson, Tarver, Hopkins and Diaconu. So yes, maybe Cloud does deserve a title shot...
Thursday May 28, 2009 09:53:32 AM
Big Daddy:  Agree with rudy and Fistic. Why is Mr.Borges Hatin' on Tavoris? He's Young and Talented. He KO'd Julio Gonzalez, who had never been stopped stopped before ( Even RJJ coudn't do it). There's very few legit fights that Chad can make in this division. But, Tavoris should be one of them.
Thursday May 28, 2009 11:10:37 AM
Porkupine:  Dawson does not want to fight Johnson again ..he said so immediately after the first fight and has tried his best to avoid it until now. But he's going to because it's the biggest money fight for him at this moment. Now it's up to Glen to win big.
Thursday May 28, 2009 11:50:04 AM
Alokwe:  These days, being undisputed isn't really worth the stress. The boxing bodies each works for its' own interests and against eachother's so there's no point expecting them to work towards keeping the titles unified...In any case, what probably would happen here is Tavoris would pick up a vacant title (vacated by none other than CD) in impressive fashion after which boxing fans clamour for a unification fight between him and Dawson. So there! It all works out in the end.
Thursday May 28, 2009 12:16:25 PM
Peter Egley:  “RING magazine can call him their champion because he fights for the guy who owns RING magazine but he’s not the champion of anything.’’ I knew this would be an issue. Was RING going under when De La Hoya bought the mag and dumped it's at one time competitor KO Mag? And I agree with Dawson's promoter.
Thursday May 28, 2009 12:22:27 PM
Peter Egley:  I just looked at my copy of the latest The Ring and actually they have Bernard Hopkins rated at 1 and Dawson 2, Cloud is not in their top ten, and the title is vacant. Anyway, Cloud having an opponent with a 9-19 record on his resume is always embarrassing, unless it was maybe his debut?
Thursday May 28, 2009 12:29:01 PM
GOAT:  Ring magazine ratings are ficticious! There is no physical thing as a ring magazine belt. Ring agazine was purchased by Golden Boy Promotions I believe about two years ago so how could this magazine be objective? The good thing about these anctioning bodies is that they at least give contenders a chance at a title. Without it Cloud would never receive a chance at a title shot! As bad as the sanctioning bodies are they at least provide opportunities even if the opportunity is not deserved.
Thursday May 28, 2009 12:45:31 PM
Yuvie:  I'm personally more interested to see Dawson/Cloud. I agree with GOAT. Cloud just needs a chance to prove himself. The LH division is poor anyway so it's not exactly gonna hurt Dawson, since he must be so sure that he's gonna beat a guy like Cloud. Dawson keeps on with the one step foward, two steps back scenario. Ah well, it doesn't matter. Dawson should get through Johnson a lot easier and Cloud can keep building. With the light heavyweight division the way it is, they're bound to meet at some point down the road if they both are all that.
Thursday May 28, 2009 03:09:01 PM
brownsugar:  I'd like to see what Cloud can do with better competition,.. he looked interesting on ESPN,.. if he keeps winning then he can't be denied,.. at least Dawson vs Cloud would get his career off the treadmill of fighting these die-hard,.. never-say-retire old guys who keep coming back for title shot after title shot,.. But undeniably,...Dawson vs Glen is definitely the best business decision and the most competitive fight for him right now,.. but I'm ready for these old vets to sit down and get out of the way so the younger guys can get some visibility,.. that includes Bernard, Tarver, Woods and Glen,.. maybe some super middleweights want to move up... or possibly they con consolidate some of these titles,.. lets get Diaconu over here...
Thursday May 28, 2009 05:02:03 PM
MisterLee:  Come on Brownsugar, some of these vets still have something left in the tank, except for Roy Jones. The guy needs to just give it up. who's tuning in for the Lacy fight? Sheesh. The promotion theme should be called "Washed Up." sponsored by Tide with Bleach.
Thursday May 28, 2009 05:48:43 PM
MisterLee @ TSS:  Please put the F-Lo article about Mayweather back on da' front page! Thanks. There was some healthy discussion on that article. I know the articles are plentiful and the page gets crowded. Thanks!
Thursday May 28, 2009 05:57:03 PM
Real Talk:  Any got a better boxing Mag I can read besides the Ring , let me know so I can check it out . Dawson says the same thing Mayweather says . The belts don't make me . Dueces
Thursday May 28, 2009 09:48:43 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  Nice piece, Superfightwriter Ron B. I'm spot on with you. But Shaw is a pretty good word deceptive promoter himself. None of the elite boxer -- except for a few coming out of hard-life living condition have ever fought for ribbons or medals, exclusively. Back in the day, elite amateur boxers got paid under the table, by shadow jobs or by somebody who had an intention of eventually turning them professional. Nowadays, the elite U.S. amateurs get paid over the table -- a monthly stipend. Without giving the exact amount, it is four figures a month. This is why one American amateur is still staying in the amateurs going for his third time to participate in the Olympic Games. This dude makes more money in amateur boxing in one year than half of the professional ones will make in a whole career. The game is about the money -- BIG MONEY! I salute Super Bad Chad Dawson for sending a HARD signal to the corrupted alphabet stealing organization -- IBF -- that they ain't $hit. And it is not worth a hill of beans to win one of those title belts that they made you pay a fee for, and then take the belt back without refunding you when you won't fight a bum, who they named the top contender. Holla!
Thursday May 28, 2009 10:06:46 PM
brownsugar:  True MisterLee,. all these guys may have a little something to give,.. but they are all past thier shelf life,.. and aren't getting any better as they angle for the weakest comp in exchange for the highest dollar(except maybe Glen),... neither Bhop or Tarver are much to look at,.. while Woods has clearly seen better days,.. hopefully Dawson will put the final nail in the coffin of Glen Johnson too...but I also understand that everybody has to eat,.. so I don't hate the game,.. I'll just be glad when the game finally cleans out it's dustbin of past-their-prime vets...
Thursday May 28, 2009 11:24:05 PM
MisterLee @ Real Talk:  I picked up a good copy of Boxing Monthly a few months back when I was still commuting to SW twice a week. It's a very intelligently written publication with a lot of inside boxing talk. PLUS, Ron Borges writes for it, and its not entirely Euro-centric. It had an article on this gavin guy, and plus one on froch and some british trainers in the issue i purchased, and it touched on some american talents and updates it's p4p ratings every issue. When I bought a FEBRUARY issue of Ring Fagazine, they had not even know the result of the de la hoya pacquiao fight, and they didn't have ONE article about Mosley Margarito. What a horrible publication. Pc out! brownsugar, I still got faith in johnson and bhop, but if bhop waits too long, he'll get rusty. I think if bhop doesn't fight again this year, i'm gonna write him off as a prize fighter. Mosley, i can see him going 2-3 more years, 2-3 more big fights, maybe 4. But I'm optimistic about the new generation. Pc out! :)
Friday May 29, 2009 12:30:19 PM
ASH:  Hopkins lost the "RING MAGAZINE" title too Joe calzaghe. It became vacant once Calzaghe retired. Tavoris Cloud earned his ranking by defeating Julio Gonzalez.
Saturday May 30, 2009 06:40:02 AM
Jason Doss:  Gary Shaw is obviously a good spin doctor. The fact is that Chad Dawson can not draw a crowd on his own. He makes his money off of his opponent's ability to draw a crowd. For example, Floyd Mayweather could agree to fight Tavoris Cloud on HBO and HBO would jump all over it. That is because Floyd Mayweather is a dynamic fighter who can attract a crowd. Chad Dawson is not. Over time, Floyd Mayweather generated excitement and a reputation for fighting and beating the best in the business. Thus far, Chad Dawson has proven that he is not willing to do what it takes to develop that reputation that excites fans. As a result, he will continue to bounce around scrounging for money until he loses. I hope Tavoris Cloud is that fighter who beats him.
Saturday Jun 13, 2009 02:32:52 PM
FLA SWAGG:  It's obvious it's about the money for Chad Dawson now. Which is O.K. when you have family to support. But to go on radio and say you don't know who this person is when you trained or sparred them before is lame. I've interviewed Cloud before and he comes from a camp of head busters(Travis Walker) who fight to put an opponents heart in their pocket and butts on the canvas. That's how Alonzo Johnson trained them. Look at the Gonzalez fight. I thought Gonzalez head was going to fall off. 19-0 with 18 ko's is amazing unless your fighting Glass Joe off Mike Tyson punch out. But seriously Cloud is going to be the next Florida boxer to hold it down like Tarver, Roy, Glen Johnson and Winky before him. He just will have to draw fights by his performances because he's not a showman yet.
Thursday Jul 23, 2009 10:52:43 AM
haha:  ring mag announced cloud as best puncher in one of its issues .... no pic but his name is there and what it was associated with says something.
Thursday Aug 13, 2009 09:54:19 PM
haha:  by the way Glen Johnson is gonna give "BAD" Chad a spanking he'll never forget for pretending to be a real fighter...WE all know he won the first fight anyway!!!! P.S. if you wanna see somebody's fight record take a look at (boxrec . com) people this is rediculous. everybody has gotta fight a couple of bums b4 moving up to fight better calibur fighters.
Thursday Aug 13, 2009 10:12:53 PM
Anonymous user:  This one cloulds family, 30-0 as a ametuer, 19--0 as a pro, I would avoid him also
Thursday Aug 27, 2009 11:20:43 PM
FLA SWAGG:  @ Jason Doss. Well said @ Ron Borges. But......What now Mr.Borges. It's ok to admit when you're wrong. It's room on the Cloud wagon if you want to hop on board. @ Random G, a Himble PacMagnit.... How did that bum look to you when he dominated Clinton Woods? There's a seat for you right beside Ron with a big mirror in front of you so you can see how dumb you look. Pc out : )
Sunday Aug 30, 2009 10:26:58 PM

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