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Saturday May 16, 2009

Ward told us he reads TSS, and it was obvious he knows the sweet science inside and out as he thoroughly outboxed the vet Miranda.

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THE GRADUATE: Ward Makes The Grade, Schools Miranda

By Michael Woods

Andre Ward probably should’ve come into the ring at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, CA dressed in a cap and gown, and he should’ve tossed a mortaboard in the air after earning a unanimous decision win over bruising banger Edison Miranda on Saturday night. Because Ward graduated from prospect to full-fledged contender and player in the 168 pound class.

He probably gave his promoter Dan Goossen a mini heart attack when he came out banging in the twelfth round, instead of playing it safe and protecting his chin and a massive lead. But Goossen was all grins after the scores were announced, and Ward snagged a 116-112, 119-109, 119-109 win in a fight that should force Ward naysayers to back off.

Miranda opened a cut on Ward’s eye in the first with a butt, and Ward could’ve melted down. But he stayed composed, and mixed up his game, going righty then lefty, sometimes moving and sometimes staying in Miranda’s face; it was a solid, smart showing, and even though Ward wanted the KO, it couldn’t have gone that much better for him and his team.

Showtime televised. The ref was Jon Schorle. Ward after said he wasn't totally enthused with his showing. He didn't stop his man, and he said he put himself in harms way too much. But he did show he can stay cool under fire, and that his beard is sturdy, he said. As the No. 2 ranked super middle in the WBC, he will likely face champ Carl Froch in his next tussle.

Ward (an Oakland resident; 19-0, 13 KOs; 2004 US Olympic gold medal winner; age 25) weighed 167 ½ pounds; Miranda (born in Colombia; 32-4; age 28; ranked No. 5 WBO, No. 7 WBC) weighed the same on Friday.

In the first, both tried to establish the jab. There was an “accidental” clash of heads 1:20 in, and a cut formed over Ward’s left eye. Looked like Miranda went into goat mode. Would the less seasoned man get worried, or get to work? Ward went lefty, and his left hand found the target. Stitch Duran worked on the gash, not a hellacious one,  after one. In the second, Miranda pressed early, but Ward’s movement put him off. Ward took a low blow and protested. The Colombian thumped his chest—bring it on, rookie—after Ward caught him with a one-two. Miranda landed rights, which Ward felt to the core. In the third, Miranda added another foul to his slate, as he hit behind the head. Ward didn’t look knife sharp, as he loaded up on shots, telegraphed some, and seemed a tad put off by Miranda’s roughhouse tactics. But, Miranda was still losing every round. A southpaw smack with the left punctuated Ward’s round.

In the fourth, Miranda’s jab was sloooower. He looked to change the game with his right, and Ward figured that out. The rhythm of the fight wasn’t stellar, to this point, and this was to Miranda’s advantage. He didn’t want Ward sticking, moving, and getting into a nice rhythm in doing so. In the fifth, Ward went lefty , and his hands were low, even lower than in the previous round. Was he getting too cocky?  Miranda landed a counter right hand, but Ward stayed lefty.  And his accuracy was more noticeable as he got great angles on Miranda.

In round six, Ward’s movement paid dividends. He was now in a rhythm. He sometimes smothered Miranda’s power, getting in his face, and other times spun out, and got some space between he and the Colombian. Miranda landed two solid rights, and the Oaklanders had to acknowledge them. In the seventh, Ward stayed close to Miranda. Were his legs heavy or was he thinking more infighting was to his best advantage now? In the eighth, Ward backed Miranda up even more than before; he looked like the stronger man, as well as the more agile. They were toe to toe for most of the round, stepping on the same Twister circles, battling for the real estate.

In the ninth, Ward stayed on message; he kept his left mitt up high, so as not to get caught with a Miranda right. A Ward left hook hurt Miranda with a minute to go.  Would it go the full 12? In the tenth, a left hook launched from San Francisco nailed Miranda. Ward didn’t go into the prevent defense, as he could’ve to safeguard his lead. In lefty mode, his left hand was working oh so well. A frustrated Miranda pushed Ward to the mat. In the 11th, Ward landed lead lefts, and then either jetted, or tied Miranda up. His feints froze Edison, and still moved smoothly late, as his cardio was in fine working order. In the last round, Ward came out banging. Now righty, he stayed smart, not leaving himself open for a late-inning bomb.



In the TV opener, John Molina rubbed out Frankie Archuleta right quick. The end came at 2:06 of the second, and the crowd gave Frankie a hard time, as many decided that he could’ve continued.  Molina was a head taller than Frankie, and had a major reach edge as well. He ate a few shots enroute, did Molina, but he dropped the loser with a minute to go. Archuleta looked at his corner, with a grin on his mug, and then turned and looked into the ref’s eyes. The ref saw surrender, and halted the bout.

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Anony:  Oh yeah.... Ward won this one... ehhh, well yes, he won it.... but he won it HUGGING AND GRABBING MIRANDA'S ARM ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!. I noticed two times he got hurt and went to hugging again. I won't say anything else because Pantera was as slow as a turtle and he didn't even had a fight plan... I was really hoping MUCH MORE from him for sure. He looked like a mummy walking around the ring all night long... I don't know what happened to him. He's normally faster. But Ward shouldn't be celebrating, other fighters who can adjust will easily push him away every time he grabs and with enough speed pummm!!! out baby. I'm sorry for Pantera, this was a great chance to step up and make big money.
Saturday May 16, 2009 09:53:21 PM
andy from newcastle @MrLee:  Mr.Lee, we salute your boy tonight, what a brilliant performance. There may have only been one Ricky Hatton, but there were three or four Andre Wards in there tonight. If he gets his fight against Froch later this year, I see it going exactly the same as tonight, Froch has no skills, just a puncher's chance. Likewise Andrade. Kessler would be a test, but then will the Dane ever leave Denmark? I'd give him the edge over Green and Dirrell as well. The only super middle out there that would cause him real trouble IMO is Bute, who is slick and evasive, and carries pop as he showed his last outing. But Ward seems to have it over Lucien in the stamina rankings as well. Good call Mister Lee, you are to Andre Ward, what Pete Edgley is to women's boxing. Toonoy
Saturday May 16, 2009 09:59:11 PM
andy from newcastle @Anony:  Andre Ward employed at least a dozen defensive tactics tonight, including head on offence, and took away any game plan El Pantera may have had. He was never hurt, and his hugging grabbing moments, were well timed and included a lot of punches as well. He reminded me of Tyson at these points (without the power). Anyway mate, have you watched any of Spike TVs Deadliest Warrior series? Obviously somebody from there was reading our back and forth posts last year, that was OUR idea. Toonoy
Saturday May 16, 2009 10:10:29 PM
DaveB:  Mr. Lee, you have been calling this right for some time now. Andre Ward is everything you said he was. I think he has a really good chance of beating all comers in the 168 pound division. He showed he can fight a banger. He has good balance and defensive abilities. I would like to see him use his jab more, possibly he could have gotten Miranda out of there with it, but maybe that's just me because I feel that when fighter's work off the jab it is a thing of beauty. All in all I would rate his performance as a 10. Congratulations to you both.
Saturday May 16, 2009 10:19:31 PM
Fe'ROZ :  Repost: Tonight was a tale of two fighters heading in two different directions. Mayorga, I mean Miranda, has become a mere 'opponent', his menace gone, a shadow of what was or could have been. He will be a 'W' on a top prospect's resume. Nothing more. Ward on the other hand, having definitively exposed the seriously flawed/limited Miranda, has a very bright future. If he builds on tonight. I say if because he can do so much...but...he holds that left hand so dangerously low without reason. He got caught as expected by right hand that lacked the power once expected of Miranda unnecessarily. He did so many things right that I don't want to be overly critical. But as he steps up he must be more disciplined. He is not that fast, nor is he so powerful that he can take out quality opponents. his strength right now is greater than his punch. He will fight many rounds deep into his fights. He has shown an ability to adapt and the skills to shift tactics. But he cannot leave that hand down. He must stay focused and disciplined. Ali he is not.
Saturday May 16, 2009 10:21:00 PM
DaveB:  Fe'ROZ good point about the low hanging left hand. What is it with so many fighters doing that. I noticed Miranda was doing the same thing. Does that have anything to do with Muhammad Ali's influence? Only a handful of fighters don't do it. That must be a hard habit to break if you have done that all your life, but I agree a dangerous one.
Saturday May 16, 2009 10:26:52 PM
Fe'ROZ :  DaveB, I suspect Ali was the idol of many boxers drawn to the ring in his wake. But he had a lightning quick flicking jab plus a tool belt like few others. And a chin to boot. Ward did not knock Miranda down...nor for that matter did he stop Henry Buchanan. His power is either not his best asset and/or it has yet to develop. I liked the way he out-muscled Miranda. For a minute I thought he was channeling Ricky Hatton. He is not someone easily intimidated. I like that. But Miranda looked on step above a .....I hate to say it...a bum. He had nothing. he has not grown one iota. He now tentative. I would say he has digressed. Ward will be seeing a lot of good (not great contenders at his weight). He can fight, no doubt. But if anybody exploits that low hanging fruit....the dangling left....this conversation is going to sound a lot different. He seems to be a smart deliberate fighter. Thus far he has been patient and the results are good. He should use this time to learn. The real big fights are coming.
Saturday May 16, 2009 10:42:22 PM
ali:  MisterLee he answer most of my qustions about him I think your right he's going be one of the bigest draws in boxing.
Saturday May 16, 2009 11:03:36 PM
Fe'ROZ :  Ali, I think that's a stretch. Read the other sites. Most respondents found his mix of style and tactics....minus the power....to be boring. To me, he's a fine work in progress.
Saturday May 16, 2009 11:18:22 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite sending the luv from Mannyland:  Tic tack toe, one, two, three! Anony is still crazy! Da sucka has been getting fights wrong all year. Tell him to bet that PacMan is going to kayo the Cotton foot dancer. And that will be a ditto for the loser. He musta' been kidding! Miranda stinks! He couldn't beat his shadow. A couple times, Miranda b*tch swung and hit himself, lmfao! But I will give him credit. He stay on his feet and did less fouling. SOG and the Cali-Mexican Nightmare Arreola will win world title belts in 09. It's SOG TIME! It's Arreola Time! Ya betta' recognize! Holla!
Saturday May 16, 2009 11:33:09 PM
MisterLee:  I'm so happy! I was at a party trying to get showtime there, and there was no remote, and spent 1 hours flipping through 200 channels to find showtime. Alas, TSS is where i get my real information. Time to watch the fight tonight. I'm a happy man. I knew on the way home that Ward had won a decision. Need I say, happiest day of my life?! Ironic eh? Either a sucky life or an awesome victory! :) I can't wait to watch the fight. I dunno, I just have to say don't underestimate wards' punch power, I think he's got plenty, maybe he just needs working on setting up the knockout. Either way, I'm just happy. I'm even too happy to serve the crow, but the doubters can find their way to the snack tray. He is my favorite fighter and I'm gald he finally stepped up to the big times.. The dangling left hand, I find it's easier to let your hands go with a dangling left hand where as hands by the face are more defensive, and in general, some fighters are more comfortable with their hands down, ie- calzaghe with his hands on his hips and showboating. I dunno. I gotta watch the fight to see what's up. Thanks AFN, I'm glad to be the Peter Egley of Andre Ward fans. :) That's a compliment. Did I tell you about the Hurricane? jk jk... TSS rules! :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 12:06:08 AM
What a shame! A billy-club carrying bobby w/an IQ of 147, a butt size of 350:  SOG will be the first to win a title belt at a lower weight than he did at the Olympic Games. He will end his career with belts at 168, 175, 200 and then he will beat down the fatties and giants. A four division champion, he is bound to be. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 12:54:15 AM
Chef Boya-Lee :):  Mr. Lee is grillin' some fresh crow: Perry, Ray, NateTPKid, you get a plate! Mr. Fistic Fury, anony, smoke, you guys get a plate or TWO. Pete Steward, you're a great writer, but I hope you brought your appetite! Mmm.... crow... nom nom nom! The grill is hot, and the crow grilled to imperfection! Yum yum ill! You bet agst SOG, you bet agst fate :). Andre Ward 09! :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 01:36:36 AM
Caveman Lee:  Man, i'm watching the fight now, as Jones says: "60 40 I'll whoop yo' a*#!" hahah...
Sunday May 17, 2009 02:37:47 AM
brownsugar:  even though Miranda got thoroughly schooled I thought he looked like he was in the best shape that I've seen him for years,. just didnt have the ability to go with his strenght,..Miranda doesn't have anything to be ashamed of except his lack of elite boxing skills,.. Ward wasn't perfect,.. but he's as close to perfect as any other super middleweight out there,..it'll be fun watching him as his career progesses.. I think he's better than Dirrell who is a lot flashier and faster,.. and if he stays focused he could possibly even out last/out box Froch in a close bout... he got hit,..even by Miranda's big right hand,.. but not by punches he didn't see coming,.. which makes a difference...my wife said we aren't allowed to mention Taylors name inside the house anymore,.. so I'm adopting Ward as one of my favorite SMW's..
Sunday May 17, 2009 03:07:54 AM
brownsugar:  anybody up for Mr Lee's hot feathered Crow??
Sunday May 17, 2009 03:10:13 AM
MisterLee:  Round 8: Did MIranda lose his wallet? b/c he got mugged!!! Round 8 is what some innoncent observers might call "hugging", but in boxing it's called infighting, and andre was doing it effectively. He was smothering Miranda, roughhousing and pushing him back in the ropes, mugging him like an alleycat, pot shotting, power punches, body shots. I like how ward always keeps his glove by his head in side to protect from rabid punches. I think miranda gave up around round 4. And there's nothing wrong with a fighter with his front hand down. The only time I think andre really got tagged was in round 2, and a few here and there after. The first few rounds ward had his hands up, but once he found his rhythm, once he was relaxed, once he understood miranda, the hands go down, he becomes more relaxed and evasive. And it's not always having hands up equals good defense. Look at sweet pea, not to say ward is like sweet pea, but having good reflexes and head movement also is defense. I think if a fighter is comfortable with his hands down then he should do it, b/c then with relaxation comes busy hands and good head movement. Ward 09! and this was the same edison miranda we see all the time, ward just made him look stupid. I've said good things about miranda in the past, but this is andre's day. pc out! :) *Pomp and circumstance*
Sunday May 17, 2009 03:14:18 AM
MisterLee:  The chef takes the Smoke's plate, by accident (sorry!), and gives it to Deep Water. The only upset there was tonight was the look on Miranda's face! :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 03:26:15 AM
MisterLee @ Radam:  yo man, less fouling? He headbutted ward twice, hit him with a low blow, some rabid punches.... the first one was probably to see if he would wilt with a cut like Juan Diaz. He thought that Ward's "lack of experience" would cause him to crumble after distractions like a cut or a headbutt occurred. Of course it didn't, ward's out to be the best fighter in the world! :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:04:45 AM
Arturo:  i thought that Ward had a chance to finish off Miranda around the 10th round somewhere.But either way he seems like a seasoned fighter already
Sunday May 17, 2009 09:56:46 AM
Fe'ROZ :  Brownsugar, your comment about your wife not speaking JT's name made me laugh. I watch almost every televised fight....after my wife and kids are asleep. My girls love to watch the replays with me....but the wife...she hates it. I was thinking of JT last night while watching Ward. Ward doesnt have JT's explosive power but he has all the skills and better stamina. he's super strong ...and an did he let Miranda know. He literally di whatever he wanted to him. Mr Lee, the reason I mention JT is my sneaking suspicion that Ward may be folling a similar path. He does leave himself open (yes, he sees the punches and rolis with them) too much for elite competition. He'll need to watch that before someone exploits it. He is not a closer. His power thus far is not proven. Miranda was exposed but he hardly looked like a beaten man. Ward is accurate but then again Miranda is , at this point, a squred up fool waiting to be hit....and waiting for God knows what to throw his own punches. Overall, Ward I have no doubt is a top talent on his way to a belt. The questions for me is (a) what happens when his KO ratio catches up to him going forward. He has barely taken out lesser competition. (b) Will he be our next JT. pc
Sunday May 17, 2009 10:14:44 AM
ali:  Fe'Roz sometimes we don't give young fighters enough credit im not saying that he's p4p best. One of the questions I had does he have heart I say yes cause after he got cut he did'nt get scared he kept throwing punching. 2. question can he make adjustment I say yes when Miranda got in few good rounds he make ajustments. He has the talent and personality to be a big draw im not saying he will be. Also I don't care about what other sites say cause there has been plenty of fighters that they thought was boring but the came around eventuality. Winky Wright, Sweet Pea, Floyed Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, just to name a few.
Sunday May 17, 2009 10:22:13 AM
Radam G, a humble PacManite@MisterLee:  Ditto, Miranda was fighting to survive and not to be embarrassed. Once he realized that SOG was tougher and rougher than he, he cut down on the fouling. Miranda did not want to get knocked out. He decided to finish on his feet. SOG made Miranda change up. This dude use to chase everybody down. But he was motioning to SOG to bring it on -- a big BLUFF! He couldn't find SOG. Right in the pocket, SOG was rocking and shocking. From the outside, he was slicking and sticking. Even in the clinches, he was crowding and plowing. SOG had an "A" performance. My God! My God! SOG is ready for the Big Times. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 10:57:40 AM
Radam G aka Humble PRG asking for Jack J's pardon:  Wow! Don't get caught up in the pseudoknowledge hype of some of these readers. Ward's a bum who beat a bum. El Pantera's been shot since he got spooked by a ghost. You can be fan of any boxer you like. But Ward? There are a lot of fakes, haters, posers, posturers, imposters, busters, wannabes, and neverwases here. Never call a person an idiot about something that you know nothing about. Ward/Fraud will get wiped out by Froch, an at-best medium and lumbering fighter. Gosh! I didn't know that there were so many naive, vulnerable readers in the TSS Universe. I guess Editor Mike and the fightwriters are really going to have to educate the audience from accepting propaganda from readers seeking 15 minutes of fame. Readers, such as Big(ot) Daddy, SOHK, Fruity Frank, Salt, Jonald, Ali, Hakim, etc, they all just don't get it. These guys have serious issues and pure jealousy. I would just say that all of you need to check your history of the game. There are bums and frauds everywhere, and Ward tops the list. I perfer to let hotheaded people find the information themselves, because I know that I'm for real, as is my bankroll. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 11:02:06 AM
Fistic Fury:  I'm happy that Andre got the win and i'm abit more confident about where he's heading now. I don't know why but i've always seen him as abit fragile, it's probably with him getting dropped early in his career that always makes me abit wary of a prospect but hopefully onto bigger and better things now for Ward...
Sunday May 17, 2009 11:13:48 AM
andy from newcastle:  And there's all the evidence we need of how imposters try to get Radam a bad name. As an aside, if Ward doesn't make it as a fighter, he has a career in cosmetics. He has the most flawless skin since Cindy Crawford. A thing of beauty (and I say that with a straight face). Toonoy
Sunday May 17, 2009 11:16:50 AM
MisterLee:  Wow, Edison "La Mentira" Miranda is gone! Andre Ward is the Truth!! If you look closely, Miranda gave up after round 4. From then on, he was just hoping for a lucky shot. I like how Ward fights with his heart, but in the end of the day, he uses his brain (he didn't take chances like froch taylor rd 12). I see no similarities between JT and Ward. JT was raised as a paper champion, beating bums (i think), being hyped by HBO, being called the next big thing and then beating Hopkins as his only accomplishment. Then getting exposed by punchers that take him into the deep end (pavlik froch). JT has a million flaws, defense being one of them, stamina being another, a heart of a puncher and warrior without the power nor stamina to follow it thru. An amazing athlete not blessed with the heart or spirit of a champion. If JT can use his athletic gifts agst a fighter, he wins, if he gets punched and hit around and taken deep he unfolds like Juan DIaz and a cut. Ward did not flinch with one of the biggest punchers in the middleweight/super middleweight division. It was his biggest step up in competition, and he faced it like a sparring session. Ward has had more critics than most fighters, and he has a gold compared to JT's bronze, he hasn't lost a fight in 11 years, and he's come up slow in his words to be a "reigning champ", not just a "belt holder" for 2 or 3 defenses. He'll be the lineal title holder by late 2010, or early 2011, then he'll set up a super bout with Dawson maybe, and/or a kessler match up would be awesome. This step up is good for andre ward and his development. Andre Ward 2009! :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 12:11:25 PM
@MisterLee:  "JT was raised as a paper champion, beating bums (i think), being hyped by HBO, being called the next big thing and THEN BEATING HOPKINS AS HIS ONLY ACCOMPLISHMENT." MisterLee, Hopkins is the best fighter to have laced up gloves in the last half century, so to dismiss Taylor's victories over him offhandedly is just plain WRONG.
Sunday May 17, 2009 12:45:55 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  Wow! My clone is wilding! But he can only fool those who truthfully want to hate. A third grader should be able to disttinguish the syntax between the clone and me. The clone is quite convincing, but he is much too hype-cruel to be me. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 12:47:52 PM
MisterLee:  Crow does funny things to the brain..
Sunday May 17, 2009 01:08:54 PM
ali:  Radam G you have got to be a fake person cause anybody that brings up how real they are everytime they open they mouth ain't real at all. I think it is true you do have a little man complex always talking about how tall fighters are WHO THE HELL CARES! its about who can fight. Do me a big favor SHUT THE HELL UP! you always talking about dum $hit bringing the Hagler is a natural rightie stuff SO WHAT! you keep talking about the same $hit You don't know me just because I don't agree with your opinion don't make me fake. You tell me what makes me a poser, buster, or a wannabe and I bet you say somethen stupid ass hell as usual.
Sunday May 17, 2009 02:10:00 PM
Yuvie:  Good job by Ward, didn't see the fight so can't comment too much. I'm not so up on Ward, we'll have to wait and see. I've only seen some of his fights and will get around to watching this but I'm in no way excited by him. Froch/Ward would be a good fight. Froch would be happy to fight in the US so it could be easily made. Froch, provided his nerves don't show up again, might be catching Ward at the right time.
Sunday May 17, 2009 02:30:58 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite @ Ali:  Go away, Ali! Grow up! Quit your pseudopsychology! Just by-pass everything I post. You're coming at me with gradeschool taunts. Be a MAN, and ignore me. The truth is always the truth. Too bad you don't know it, and wouldn't accept it if you knew. I been in this universe for going on four years being me. And all the real players know the deal. It is like that saying, "It takes one to know one." If you were one, you would know me. In the legal mayhem business there is certain aura and aptitude where members of this game can identify each other in a New York minute or a Cali nap. At all the fights and gyms, the real gamers laugh at my funning with cyberspace fanfaronates, as yourself. No hard feeling, you go ahead and enjoy this universe and quit trying to control the spitting of anybody. It is a free universe, enjoy it. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 02:36:43 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  Wow! I believe that Froch would be the easily Supermiddle for SOG. I see SOG kayoing Froch in about the nineth round. Unlike, Miranda, I don't believe that Froch would change his game not to get kayo. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 02:43:42 PM
Fe'ROZ :  For the record, I also picked Ward by decision. So I'm no hater. Ali may be right. Give a young man some time to grow. I will..... but part of what we do hear is discuss what we see and what we understand in a fighter. Good and/or Bad. Ward is Ward. He's not Sugar Ray or ODLH. Certainly not RJJr. Being an Olympian period lends itself to more exposure and better opportunities. Winning the gold only heightens the scrutiny. Ward's a talented guy who showed strength, composure and adaptibilty .....against Miranda. You can make your own assessment about today's Miranda. Me, I didn't turn off the fight last night and say a star is born. I will however be keeping an open mind.
Sunday May 17, 2009 02:54:45 PM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz:  Yep,.. My wife actually said that,.. it's terribly dissappointing to see our fighters fall from grace in the face of the excellent international pool of fighters that exist today,.. both My wife and my son were slightly tramatized by JT's wilting performance against Froch(they are still in the healing process) they were reluctant to even watch the Ward/Miranda bout(I had to nearly beg them),..So watching Ward last night renewed their hopes a little.. while they still shared some concerns similar to yours,...but Ward is still a winner,.. he won't remind anybody of SugarRayLeonard,.. but Ivan Calderone doesn't knock anybody out either and he's cracked the top ten P4P,....similarly Ward may go down as one of the most efficient, practical and diversely knowledgable boxers of his time,..(yes he fought with his hands down but more as statement to the press & Miranda for his coming out party as opposed to a lack of good judgement,.. he hold them up for certain opponents)... at least he's only 25 and has room for improvement,..(he has also said that he didn't like his performance last night) .so I would expect him to meticulously work on the areas that need to be upgraded before meeting his next challenge.....now maybe JT can get some vindication by challenging Miranda... (I'm not kidding)
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:01:59 PM
Fe'ROZ :  Brownsugar, I turned off the TV after the fight and did not see the interview. I'm glad Ward said he didn't like his performance. He has a boat load of skills and seems a very smart fighter. Self-criticism, learning and implementation are constants; necessary to achieve greatness. We shall see. As for JT, he should absolutely be able to KO Miranda. in fact, it's a great match-up. JT should train to go deep and then take him out late. He needs the boost....and beating the crap out of Miranda might help. On the other hand....... the alternative is too tough to consider.
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:12:47 PM
ali:  Radam G I will by-pass everything you post as long as you don't use my name im not on TSS to insult anyone you might agree with what I got to say and thats cool with me but don't call me somethen im not. I think you make these comments to try to get under people skin but it won't work with me I got some thick skin but that don't mean im going to just sit back and let somebody talk reckless. Now lets just stick with making our boxing opinion and we should'nt have anymore problems (ya dig).
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:22:53 PM
brownsugar:  I think Froch will do every thing possible to get a big name in the ring,.. whether it be Bute,.. Kessler,.. or even Bhop (if he ever stops offering his challengers nickels and dimes),.. not because he's scared,.. but because the 31 year old Nottingham Champ has already said,.. " I ain't gettin' no younger blokes",.. Froch is desparate for the biggest paydays he can muster before his star quickly fades like drunken sailors paycheck during a wild weekend,.. Froch has got to be saying to himself,.."Damn I'm not fighting Ward for peanuts,.. that blokes tricky as hell",.. In Wards favor,.. his Gold medal pedigre gives him more media clout than most contenders so the fight may be forced if Froch can hold onto his title that long,.. if not,.. Ward vs Bute would be the boxing purists must see event(the long and lean vs the crafty and mobile),.. Kessler is a champ on paper only who hasn't done anything worthy of discussion since losing to Calzaghe,.. I mean how long can you hold a title these days without fighting notable contenders these days?,.. Vernon Forrest might have the answer...FROCH VS WARD,.. TOMMORROW!!!!!
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:27:38 PM
brownsugar:  well said as always Fe'Roz
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:32:59 PM
brownsugar:  according to the most recent reports, Bute vs Froch is being negotiated,..If this fight takes place,.most Bute supports see Bute putting on an Andre Ward type performance by out boxing the durable Froch over 12 rounds,... Froch supporters see Froch slow-walking Bute down by the later rounds with a withering assault enroute to a tko victory,.. personally I find Bute's sudden lack of energy against Andrade very suspicious to say the least,.. that combined with rumors that Bute struggles to make 168 and is planning to move up to 175 adds to the drama.... Froch beats Bute and Ward beats Froch in 2010,..
Sunday May 17, 2009 04:47:43 PM
Fe'ROZ :  After watching Bute (get beat) falter in the final round by a puncher like Andrade, I am very hard pressed to condider him elite. But given the fact that he does hav a trinket, it is only a matter of time before he finds himself stumbling around the ring looking for his corner again. I would love to see Froch and Ward fight him. Either one, for very different reasons, has a chance to beat Bute.
Sunday May 17, 2009 05:49:13 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite @ Ali:  Hope goes like smoke, it fades away! I'm being "Firm, but Fair!" with you Ali. Sorry Ref Joe Cortez for biting off you. As long as you pose and posture, and talk nonsense, I'll call you out. I was named TSS's Reader of the Year in 2007, what have you done. Again, more nonsense, and you'll be called out. It is Pinoy Time! The squared jungle, where hurt biz is enacted, is all that matters. I have no time for the frauds and fakes that continue to posit and posture. This is all reminiscent of the great trainer Panama Lewis taking padding from the gloves of Luis Resto back in the day against Billy Collins Jr. That was overstated, and based on lies, just like the Tijuana Tornado, Margarito, is taking heat these days, needlessly! It's a game of cat and mouse, and you get away with what you can! I'm a betting -- or is that gambling -- genius. I get it right 90+ percent of the time. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 06:45:16 PM
MisterLee:  Ali, I think you're mistaken. You took the clone for the Real Radam. And it's okay to stand up for SOHK, b/c he's a good guy, but fighting his war based on a fake post from a clone doesn't do yourself (an honorable mention and potential top 10 p4p) any good to tussle and insult a clone of a fellow p4p. Radam likes Ward, and we both dislike Froch, why would he put down ward in a post right after saying ward was good? Plus, the clone cannot rhyme as well as the tru Humble. Free the Don! Can't we just call a no contest, accidental headbutt? Pc out!
Sunday May 17, 2009 07:03:44 PM
ali:  MisterLee I don't care if you put me in honorable or p4p if you do thanks if you don't I ain't tripping. Im not on TSS to win any award I just enjoy going back and forth with you and alot of other writers on here. If there is a person acting like somebody else than the real Radam G won't be offeneded by some of my comments. I want to make this clear im not taking up for SchoolOfHardKnocks he's a grown man he can handle who ever dude is by his self I only say somethen about him when he says my name. If he ain't the real Radam G he should say somethen to me or the SchoolOfHardKnocks about this clone I have'nt heard anything. MisterLee if you look at my last post I said lets just talk about boxing and we won't have any problems if you say my opinion is stupid dum whatever I have no problem with that but when you say im not real and a poser I have a problem with that its just the way I was raised.
Sunday May 17, 2009 07:29:27 PM
ali:  MisterLee is right you are a clone you just on TSS to be funny not to talk about boxing. I thought it was funny when you said you was TSS reader of the year in 2007 are you a comedian in real life.
Sunday May 17, 2009 07:38:55 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  You came after me, Ali. I only responded to you. I don't start smack with nonregulars. Go to any piece, and find where I started some garbage. You will not find it, because that is not my nature or tude. Regulars, we respected each other. And know quite a bit about each other. Some of us have even had opportunities to meet at bouts and other spots. This is a very free universe, so you are allow to go where you like. And it was Big Steamy, the billy-carrying bobby who got you started. It is often a British knucklehead who sparks this room by trying to bully -- not just me -- but other regulars, even other British readers, who know the game and are known. Can you believe on the "Avila's Pound For Pound List," this Big Steamy cyberthug challenged me to come to England to fight him? Yea, RIGHT! Now you know why there are some many murders and violent crimes in that empire. An unethical bobby is cowarding behind his keyboard tapping to a scholar, gentleman and kickazz pugilist -- like myself -- to waste my time and disrespect myself by crossing the pond for an easy-to-win fight with him. He ought to be on the royal mean streets solving those murder cases and keeping the peace. When it come to me, in the famous words of Money May, "He ain't do gonna $hit!" For a bobby, who claims to have an IQ of 147, he fails to realize that he can lose his job position by threatening and calling out people over the INTERNET. But than again, I guess he is like a few other clowns in here, he doesn't believe that he can be traced to the exact spot where he is keyboard tapping from. Dude would be in big trouble if I were an a$$hole like him. He should check himself, before he wreck himself. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 07:43:15 PM
MisterLee:  You're right, you were just defending yourself, However, there's usually a cloner on the forum from time to time (anony, Eastar, Luistito) who likes to clone regulars, especially if he's had too much crow! :) But he hasn't done it much lately. But that post talking about " @ Jack J" was most def. a clone post. Radam said it after that: "Wow! My clone is wilding! But he can only fool those who truthfully want to hate." @ whoever responded: "MisterLee, Hopkins is the best fighter to have laced up gloves in the last half century, so to dismiss Taylor's victories over him offhandedly is just plain WRONG." I just feel it's the theory of nemeses: forrest beat mosley, marquez beat pacquiao, foreman beat frazier, tarver beat jones, taylor beat hopkins. Just a bad style matchup, that's all, but the nemesis rarely lives up to polish their defeated foes' shoes. Just an opinion, and I'm a very opinionated guy, but not out to offend. Also, Fe'Roz, I disagree, I think miranda is a real bad style match up for Taylor unless MIranda is so shot that he's a sitting duck. I say this b/c Taylor's only losses came from big plodding punchers with good chins (pavlik and froch). Abraham and even miranda would have their way with him, especially in the rounds 8-10. Taylor needs to rebuild his career slowly again, beating 2-3 bums, climb up the ladder, challenge the top contenders and earn a belt again, and he needs to hire "that darn genie" richardson to clean up some of his bad tendencies, and he needs a sports psychologist to clear up whatever bad mental block he has from performing up to his potential and overcoming his blockage to true greatness in this era or perhaps all times. Pc out. TSS Rules! Whoever responded to the taylor -bhop comment, hope I didn't offend ya, esp. if it's Mike the Editor! Pc out! Warrrrrd....
Sunday May 17, 2009 07:47:40 PM
the Roast:  The fights here in the TSS are usually better than the ones on TV! I only saw the last six rounds last night after returning home later than expected from a wedding. I was expecting a KO victory by Ward but it looked to me like Miranda was just trying to survive until the final bell. Ward is a work in progress but he is going in the right direction. He'd be too slick and crafty for that mummy Froch.
Sunday May 17, 2009 07:56:56 PM
MisterLee fresh off of Kessler vs. Calzaghe:  Hey guys, how would Calzaghe fit into the mix? I think calzaghe's weird style and fast hands would give Ward a handful, and Dawson's speed and boxing skills would be a good challenge for Ward. Kessler might be another step up and good test for ward in the future. But what you guys think about calzaghe in the overall mix: dawson, glen johnson, tarver, taylor, ward, froch, kessler, bute, andrade etc. Just curious! Anybody think Calzaghe might come out for 1 bum fight, and 2 real fights before a final retirement? Thanks. Pc out! Tss rules! :) No more reffing arguments, Mister Lee doesn't like eating the corner stool in breaking up fighters. :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 08:19:22 PM
the Roast:  Caveman, I think Calslappy is gonna stay retired. He dont wanna go anymore. I never liked him or his weird style. That being said, his style is/was a problem for everyone he ever fought or would fight. I give him big respect for wins over Lacy and Kessler but not so much for the wins over Hopkins and Jones Jr. I hope he stays gone. About the reffing, the dude who trys to break up the fight usually gets punched in the face. Just let them slug it out. Any fights next weekend?
Sunday May 17, 2009 08:37:48 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite:  No matter what reader pseudonym that a person uses, you can tell him by his syntactic scribble. A third grader can figure this out. It's not that difficult. And it is remindful of the characters that Eddie Murphy, Tyler Perry and the late, great Richard Pryor played in movies in which they were three to five different people speaking to each other and inneracting. Examine it for yourself. This person misspells or misuses the same exact words under different readers' pseudonyms. This is a giant RED FLAG. It is one thing to have a culture similarity, but something else for alleged different readers to have the exact cadent scribble and script constantly. Holla!
Sunday May 17, 2009 08:44:04 PM
Caveman @ The Roast:  I dunno, I do give calslappy SOME credit for the Bhop win, between the two of them, he was less worse. If bhop threw leather in the later rounds like he did the middle rounds, he woulda won. Harder more accurate shots, not just shoe shining for the judges, and maybe if he fought the way he fought with pavlik he would win (would richardson have helped with Bhop's stamina issue?). Pc out! Who you got next The roast? who's your fave fighters that are coming up. AFN: Lyoto Machida fighting next week. Good night evans! :) Ward 09! :)
Sunday May 17, 2009 08:54:56 PM
Real Talk watching Celtics vs. Majic:  Wassup TSS family . This is the busy season for me so I'll be in an out a lot . I only saw like 4 rounds of the fight on the re-run around 1: 30 a.m. eastern . I had two jobs that day and had to pick up some money from a client who didn't have all of the money 2 weeks earlier . When I got home I popped a Dos Euqis and found the fight . I was tired and got too cozy and the sand man got me . Before the sand man got me I noticed someting . When Miranda caught Ward with the straight right he(Ward ) ate it well !!! But that's not the most important thing I noticed . When Ward came out in the next round he adjusted IMMEDIATELY . That impressed me a lot , the way he went to the inside fighting , made it ugly , smothered Miranda . I must say I'm impressed more than I would've been if it was a pretty , flashy display of stick and move , or pot shotting from the outside . Ward should be impressed with his performance like I am . I thought about Hopkins when I saw that . B-Hop could switch gears every which way . SOG dominated the fight from the inside with the rough stuff . I also thought about Hopkins when somebodies post said they didn't say to themselves a star was born . Hopkins had to grind his way to the top without star power . Just grit and determination , a passion and respect for his craft , and being a student of the game . This fight was something like Hopkins vs. Johnson . KO artist vs. a technician . I think Hopkins win was much more impressive but their are a lot of similarities . Two thumbs up for the SOG . Dueces
Sunday May 17, 2009 08:58:42 PM
the Roast:  Yo Radam, Richard Pryor to me is the GOAT. Sorta like the Sugar nickname. Robinson the first=Pryor. Prime Eddie Murphy=Leonard. Tyler Perry does'nt do it for me. No Sugar. Not even Mosely. Maybe Seales. Sam Kinison would= Aaron Pryor!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Sunday May 17, 2009 10:39:56 PM
MisterLee:  AWESOME. I've only seen the Arguello fights and legendary night special. Any specific fights I should see of his? Who's Sam Kinison? Awesome. I heard Leonard ducked Pryor, is that true? I also heard Pryor is Mayweather jr.'s favorite fighter and he himslef said that pryor is the only guy that would beat him. Aight, pc out! Ward 2009 baby!!!
Monday May 18, 2009 06:01:20 AM
Joe:  I had Miranda going into the fight but Ward simply outclassed him. I want to see Dirrell vs. Ward - that'll be a good fight.
Monday May 18, 2009 07:06:33 AM
Fe'ROZ :  Mr. Lee, Try to fin both of Pryor's fights with Arguello. Then imagine the context . Arguello was class personified. he was a national hero in a country (Nicaragua) more or less at war with the U.S and in chaos at home. Reagan, Contras, etc. You get the picture. Now he comes to miami to end a career that has ODLH-like qualities. he is a suberb technician and the best representative of the sport. Along comes the Hawk, Aaron Pryor. Scarface is playing in the theatres. Cocaine rules south Florida. the Cubans are gang-banging with the Columbians. the DEA is like CSAC.....no authority, no balls. Pryor is fearless, crazed on drugs, insane like Mayorga... but he can fight like Duran. Watch it. pc
Monday May 18, 2009 07:18:12 AM
Anony:  MR. LEE ----- I have never cloned anybody here. Just for the record. I honor the TSS website as I believe this somehow is our fraternity. THAT'S FOR THE RECORD TOO. I may " troll" some people from time to time but it is all out of having fun but I never used faulty language or go too far. THAT AGAIN... FOR THE RECORD. So, Radam... I mean, Mr. Lee (sorry but you two write comments suspiciously alike) go find another "cloner"... Hey you could be one, right???
Monday May 18, 2009 08:37:00 AM
Anony @ Andy from Newcastle:  About the Spike TVs Deadliest Warrior's series.. IT IS TRUE!!! They took our idea when we talked about it last year. Still I believe a big red viking could chop any other earthly warrior on earth. Actually, the viking or the Samurai because Samurai had much more resources on battle besides the long blade. It is a cool series though. At least the took the idea and did a cool show. Next story will be... a series about unfolding "conspiracy theories" and how governments are going to deal with the "global secret government" when it begins to unfold that the economic crisis, global warming and other world injustices are related to them. The rich vs. the poor. Power vs. Knowledge. Don't know if somebody will take the idea but surely you will find more news about this as the world begins to question how all this global turmoil developed or got out of control. Good day Andy!!!
Monday May 18, 2009 08:56:16 AM
#1 Pacfan "P4P King":  Congrats to Ward on a great performance. Now I expect better opponents from here on and out. I want to see him and my boy Pavlik square off at a catch weight between 160-168. Abraham and Ward at 168 sounds good too.
Monday May 18, 2009 09:20:18 AM
Radam G, a humble PacManite sending luv from Olongapo, City, PI:  Good one, Roast! That is what I say, life is all about the fun. Fun on until the grave. Heck, we cannot do anything about death. That sucka wins every time at the end of the minute. I don't plan on that sucka kayoing me until I'm well over a 100 years old. And the good thing about it, I can always tell the straight-up truth about my boxing days, work days and gambling ones, It is such a pity that some many attackers, posers, faders, busters and haters come up in this TSS Universe acting foolish because they wasted away their youth with fright and now they are old farts telling fibs. The 4 Fs -- foolishness, fright, (old) farts and fibs (teller, instead of storyteller). Gosh! It must be terrible to "wish I would had..." Holla!
Monday May 18, 2009 11:39:15 AM
free Donputo:  I'm not very impress with ward. He has alot of heart, but no defense. I don't think he's ready for the big boys yet.maybe down the road he will be a champion. Good luck to him in the future. Free Donputo! Peace!
Monday May 18, 2009 12:42:26 PM
AFN @Cavie, and anyone wanting to save cash:  I'm with you, Machida over Evans, but it's going to be explosive. BTW, any of you poor guys out there who have to pay for PPV, give myp2p dot eu a visit, click on other sports, and save yourself a few bob. Toonoy
Monday May 18, 2009 03:43:04 PM
Editor Mike:  Our lawyers will be contacting your lawyers then.
Monday May 18, 2009 04:18:18 PM
EM:  Spike's lawyers, I meant.
Monday May 18, 2009 04:52:07 PM
Radam G, a humble PacManite, not MisterLee, he's my MAN!!!:  MisterLee, believe Anony like you believe in Santa Claus and his red nose reindeer and the five green-nose ones, I got them from a three-foot-tall hustler from Mars and sold them to his red-clothe wearing, chimney-jumping behind -- believe that and I'm Imfao! And people with their grill missing believe in the tooth fairy, not floss, toothpaste and dentist checkups -- true story! Manny is fightlng a Martian in a catchheight bout, FGS! The darn game has changed! Everybody wants a piece of the Pac. Holla!
Monday May 18, 2009 06:02:33 PM
DaveB:  Yo Real Talk, Yup I'm going to give power to it by mentioning it. I liked your blog man, that was real cool. It was like a day in the life of Real Talk. Off subject but since you were watching the basketball, who do you favor to take the championship? I agree too with the comment about the grittiness of Ward as opposed to him just using masterful boxing, it showed more of what he is made of.
Monday May 18, 2009 07:10:38 PM
MisterLee:  Just tuning in... what's this talk about lawyers?!!! hahaha... Radam, you're too funny, I believe a martian would be too much for Pacquiao due to his higher level technology and the ability to teleport, but it may not be able to beat pacquiao's straight left hand. It'll be a real "barn burner" hahah... Radam, it's been too fun reading your stuff. Now time to scroll up and read what this nonsense is about. I thought SOHK vs. Radam II was already over, and Radam skipping to the tuneup to take on upcomer contender Big Ste. Use the philly shell Radam! They can't hit you! :)
Monday May 18, 2009 07:17:12 PM
MisterLee:  Yo Andy from Newcastle! Thanks for the invite, but my friends invited me to Hooters to watch the fight. Ya gotta love it. They have good wings. Ya gotta luv #1 Pacfan, he's like Victor Ortiz, he doesn't throw a lot, when he does it's accurate and economical, and a strong finisher! :) I guess sometimes I go for volume :), but I try to keep them sharp and accurate too if I can. Tho i"m not happy with my performance, I have to see the tapes... :)
Monday May 18, 2009 08:28:40 PM
the Roast:  MisterLee...the Roast is late to the party as always. Pass me the lighter....Back to yesterday for a bit..Sam Kinison was a stand up comic back in the day. You should google him for his full story. He was a very edgey comic. Not for everyone but he was an all time great. Back to boxing... I was thinking about Aaron Pryor. He fought a guy named Akio Kameda on network TV. Pryor was all over the dude but was knocked down himself a few times. They were all flash knockdowns due to Pryor's recklessness and poor balance. After one of these knockdowns, Pryor did a backward somersault, jumped up and started attacking Kameda before the ref could stop him! Anyone else remember this or am I nuts? About this cloneing stuff, It's starting to freak me out a little bit. I mean, it could be anyone. Like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.( the Roast jumps up from his keyboard and points wildly in all directions ) It could be YOU, or YOU or YOU!!!!! Don't fall asleep.........
Monday May 18, 2009 08:58:49 PM
Caveman Lee:  Yo man, thanks! I'll look up Sam Kinison when i get the chance. I'll also check out the aaron pryor fight. I swear i can find every fight in existence on the internet. Thank god! :) Don't sweat it, and only guys with identity/confidence issues troll, plus a slight leaning towards lack of honor/nobility. I think Manny Steward, no George Foreman was it that announced a fight and said boxing is all about honor or something . I've said some wrong things, and some bad predictions, and stupid things, but I own up to it, even if it's a crow pie in the face with Penalosa written all over it! :) Besides, was it Radam or that "Darn wiseman" #1 Pacfan who gave me the best advice : "Scroll the troll". Anony, even if some of the trollin' (maybe not all) was you, thanks for keeping it minimal and contributing some of your own boxing knowledge in the mix. You even made it on several p4p lists! Good job! :) I'm gonna look up the pryor fight now, and richard pryor was hilarious, I loved see no evil hear no evil, but some of his standup is just straight up raunchy! haha... aight pc out! :)
Monday May 18, 2009 09:06:29 PM
Mista Lee:  found the fight on youtube! :) ward 09 is too fine! beating miranda was a crime! now it's time to dine! :)
Monday May 18, 2009 09:09:18 PM
the Roast:  WOW! I just watched Pryor-Kameda on youtube! what a flashback! I was just a little15 year old Roast at the time. I thought Pryor was down more than once but it was mostly the way I remembered it. Those were the days! NBC Sportsworld, baby. I still can't believe that Pryor beat Alexis. I Wish the Hawk had the chance to fight Sugar Ray. We'll never know who was better......
Monday May 18, 2009 09:51:02 PM
MisterLee:  wow! I just watched it too... it's like seconds from being stopped or Kameda going down. I think pryor would give leonard and even a prime manos de piedra a run for their money! Skill, insanity, heavy hands, hungry, thirsty, powerful, moves his head well, relentless like kirkland but more skillful, and got a heart bigger than arturo gatti! Man, so none of the welterweights wanted a piece of him? I swear he'd had fought hagler if he was given the chance. Pc out! Andre ward 09! pryor 82! :)
Monday May 18, 2009 09:53:42 PM
MisterLee:  was pryor on the juice? he was like punched out in rounds 4 & 5, how could he have looked so fresh in round 6. ridiculous, but he woulda won anyway, but not like that! :) crazy.
Monday May 18, 2009 09:57:16 PM
Anony @ WARD SHOULD FIGHT TITO:  If Ward read this one (as the comment above suggest) I got a message for him. You want to make big money right away??? Fight Tito Trinidad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He wants one more fight before the year end. OK, OK, OK now the naysayers will start "Tito is no good fight" "Tito can't do it no more" and bla, bla, bla!!!!!! BUT... Tito brings good money and if Ward wins the fight surely he will step up in the money ladder. I bet you anything if he reads this he won't reply with his comment. hehehehe. Tito could blow him away with one of those hooks and won't let Ward grab his arms so easily. Hummm,,, what up Ward???? Money??? come get some!!!! Fight TITO! TITO! TITO!!!!!!! Go call Don King!!! hehehehe
Tuesday May 19, 2009 07:24:49 AM
MisterLee:  Come on Anony, TIto WAS great, 4-5 years ago at welterweight! I'm surprised hopkins might want accept his rematch. what a snorefest, especially from johson adamek. if i were him, i'd fight the winner. pc out!
Tuesday May 19, 2009 11:39:26 AM
Anony @ defending Tito:  Well Mr. Lee, Tito is more than a "WAS GREAT" and like I said, money is good. But thinking about it twice, Tito may not be interested because he is obviously focused into making the best money possible and Ward is not a big drawer yet. Reality is that I miss a good Tito fight. Pavlik should have fought him instead of Rubio in his last fight. That's a good example, why fight Rubio instead of a bigger money raiser like Tito??? Pavlik is clearly loosing the chance to make good money.
Tuesday May 19, 2009 01:08:34 PM
Misterlee:  Pavlik needed a confidence booster. he got 60-40 i'll whoop yo' ass by bhop. (you ever see the bhop vs jones argument when bhop was calling him out and they talked live on the phone, look up on youtube). Tito, not the hugest threat at middle weight or super middle would have had some ring experience to hurt and throw off pavlik. pavlik needed a sitting duck. any fights you reccomend of tito? also, waht you think about his hand wrap controversy before the hopkins fight. do you think he was loaded during his career? i wish he had fought sugar shane mosley, they would have fought if mosley beat wright, but still, it's funny, tito is the one guy suga shane never fought during their welterweight/jr. middle prime. pc out! :)
Tuesday May 19, 2009 01:53:06 PM
MisterLee:  Contrast that with Vargas, everyone gotta piece! de la hoya, mosley, I think tito knocked him out? hahah... that guy, wasn't even a gatekeeper, he was a young prospect moved too fast that coulda been great and just got smashed in his tracks. I never saw the whole de la hoya fight, but vargas showed some real skill in the early rounds. Oh well. Sayanora Vargas, that's Japanese for good bye! :) haha...
Tuesday May 19, 2009 02:27:46 PM

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