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Wednesday May 6, 2009

JCC could pack 'em in. He could fill a stadium with rabid supporters. These days, the prospect of a boxing match in a US stadium seems like a pipe dream. TSS U, can you see a big fight in a US stadium in the near future?

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TSS Laments The Absence Of The US Stadium Show

By Aaron Tallent

The smack talk continues for the June 20 bout between IBF and WBO Heavyweight Champion Wladimir Klitschko and David Haye, with the challenger calling his opponent a “B-level champion” and Klitschko saying that he is ready to punish his opponent. They can talk all they want. For me, the most exciting aspect of the bout is the venue, Veltins Arena, a soccer stadium in Gelsenkirchen, Germany, that will be able hold at least 60,000 for the fight. "I've always wanted to box in front of such a huge crowd at a football stadium. And now my dream's come true," Klitschko stated in a release announcing the fight.

The American in me wants to say, “The dream is only realized when the butts are actually in the seats,” for the idea of holding a fight in a U.S. stadium is almost laughable.  

It wasn’t always though.  

Stadiums and big-time fights used to go hand-in-hand. Even at the turn of the century, promoters would erect 30,000-seat venues with a few months notice. By the 1920s, boxing had its first superstar in heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey, bringing the first million-dollar gates, which were only made possible by stadium crowds.  

The ground was forged in Jersey City, New Jersey, in 1921, when Boyle’s Thirty Acres, a 91,000-capacity crowd stadium was erected specifically for the bout between Dempsey and Georges Carpentier. Promoter Tex Rickard originally wanted to hold the fight at New York’s Polo Grounds, but was unable to because of political opposition. So he moved the fight across the Hudson River to the stadium built on the property of John F. Boyle. Following Dempsey’s knockout of Carpentier, the venue hosted eight more fights, most notably Luis Angel Firpo’s defeats of Jess Willard and Harry Wills. 

By 1923, Rickard was able to schedule a fight at the Polo Grounds, where 80,000 spectators watched Firpo and Dempsey knock each other down 11 times before Dempsey emerged victorious in the second round. The attendance peaked in 1926, when more than 120,000 fans at Philadelphia’s Sesquicentennial Stadium saw Dempsey lose his title to Gene Tunney. 

The 1920s also saw the opening of Yankee Stadium, the most oft-used stadium in boxing history. Completed in 1923, the “House That Ruth Built” hosted its first baseball game in April of that year and the first of 49 boxing matches a month later. The venue hosted other major fights, including Louis’ one-round demolition of Max Schmeling in their second bout in 1938, Sugar Ray Robinson’s ill-fated attempt at Joey Maxim’s light heavyweight title in 1952 and Rocky Marciano’s knockout of Archie Moore in 1955. The highest attendance was 88,000 for Joe Louis’ knockout of Max Baer in 1935. 

The final fight at Yankee Stadium, the rubber match between Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton, took place on September 28, 1976, and foreshadowed the beginning of the end of stadium bouts in the U.S. By this time, television production was at a quality where middle-aged men everywhere could feel confident forgoing the upper decks knowing that they could “see the fight better on television.” CBS broadcasted the bout without blacking out the New York area and only 30,249 people came to see Ali win a very controversial decision over Norton. 

Two years later, a crowd of 63,315 – a record for indoor boxing attendance – at New Orleans’ Superdome watched Ali win his title back from Leon Spinks. However, it was Ali in the twilight of his career attempting to win the heavyweight title for an unprecedented third time. To give you a little context, only 25,000 were in the Superdome in 1980 when Roberto Duran said “No Mas” to Sugar Ray Leonard in their second bout. 

Stadium fights, especially in the heavyweight division, have not fared so will since the Ali era. In 1993, a paltry crowd of 9,000 – 3,500 of whom had tickets donated by Riddick Bowe manager  Rock Newman –came to RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C., to watch Bowe knock out Jesse Ferguson in two rounds and Roy Jones, Jr., decision Bernard Hopkins for the IBF middleweight title. Even Oscar De La Hoya, the sport’s bankable attraction for the past 15 years, only fought twice in stadiums, his last and most attended fight being a knockout of Patrick Charpentier in front of a crowd of more than 45,368 in June of 1998 at El Paso’s Sun Bowl. In September of 1998, the last major stadium fight was held in the U.S. in Atlanta’s Georgia Dome in 1998 when 34,479 people came to see hometown hero and heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield decision Vaughn Bean. 

Local, at the very least national, popularity is crucial to packing a stadium with fight fans and is exemplified by one fighter: Julio Cesar Chavez, the most popular Mexican fighter of all time. In 1993, more than 136,000 fans came to Aztec Stadium in Mexico City to watch him defend his WBC light welterweight title against Greg Haugen at Aztec Stadium in Mexico City, setting the record for the largest attendance for an outdoor fight. Later that year, a crowd of 58,891 challenged the indoor attendance record on the border in San Antonio’s Alamodome as Chavez was given a ridiculous draw with Pernell Whitaker.  

Chavez is, of course, a rarity, but since the Ukrainian Klitschko has proved to be a popular attraction in Germany, he’s got the first requirement covered. The second part is affordable tickets, and the standing room-only tickets for the fight are 24 Euros, roughly the equivalent of 32 U.S. dollars. With those two factors in check, Klitschko vs. Haye won’t be an attraction that would make Dempsey, Ali or Chavez jealous, but it will be respectable and will make American fight fans remember a time long passed.

 

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Radam G aka Humble PRG:  I believe that only very, very rare boxers can fill football stadiums. And I think that a future one will be Chris "Nightmare," aka "The Cali-Mexican Crusher" Arreola. Enough said. Holla!
Thursday May 7, 2009 07:58:37 PM
ali:  Those top eurpean fighter can fill up football stadiums there fan support is crazy I think more American fighter should go over there and fight.
Thursday May 7, 2009 08:30:20 PM
brownsugar:  Ali,... I agree,.. there should be an all out american invasion,.. just dont' fight in Germany unless your sure you can KO the opponent ,.. the ref,.. and all of the judges..
Thursday May 7, 2009 09:04:19 PM
Peter:  If he tried, I am sure Prince Naseem Hamed could have filled a stadium. There should be more fighters like him.
Thursday May 7, 2009 09:41:00 PM
Kidd:  How bout Pac-Man vs Money-May in Giants stadium in SanFran or in Cowboys new stadium. That fight if promoted right and put in the right town could easily be a stadium fight!
Thursday May 7, 2009 10:49:05 PM
silly goose:  pacman could probly sell out a stadium in the phillipines....do they have any stadiums over there??
Friday May 8, 2009 12:43:39 AM
TOMMY R:  NO WAY! IT IS PLENTY POSSIBLE! its because the promoters want everything in vegas when it comes to the mega fights- mayweather vs hatton sold out in record time something like 17,000 seats butttttttttttttt remember 30 thousand brits come to vegas to watch it on closed circuit and party all week long!!! i feel like that was such a waste when a min. number of 47,000 could have gathered in a much bigger venue- the really big fights can do a staduim theres no question, when hatton fights and 15-30 thousand brits come to vegas they are all but shut out of the sold out venue when they should be watching the fight at a bigger venue live then live on a vegas closed circuit PLUS HOW MANY DID NOT TAKE THE TRIP TO THE STATES CAUSE THEY COULD NOT SEE IT LIVE AT THE VENUE? - all it takes is 1 promoter to take a risk, does not have to be a 60 thousand seat staduim like klichko will fight at but how about a 35 or 40 thousand seater, something about a staduim fight is exciting and even more so if its outdoors- mayweather vs pacman will be the hottest ticket of 2009 should it happen, ur talking about maybe the biggest fight since leanard vs hagler, the hype will be unreal and this fight will break the all time 2.4 million ppv buys for mayweather vs dlh- why? cause should mayweather get past a great fighter like marquez who twice gave manny the toughest fights of his life and with the great wave that manny is fighting ur trully getting the top 2 fighters p4p in the world meating at pretty much there peak both fighting and marketing wise- mayweather-hatton is just the sort of fight that should be at a 40 thousand or more seat staduim, but they will do it at the mgm grand that holds 17 thousand at best and it will sell out in a matter of mins, all it takes is 1 fight, if this is the fight to hit a staduim u will see more stadui, fights in the us in the future its a matter of a promoter taking the risk and then working over time foing his job PROMOTINGGGGGGGG
Friday May 8, 2009 01:04:15 AM
Arturo:  Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather would get about 60,000
Saturday May 9, 2009 11:26:04 AM
dino da vinci:  Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather would get 600,000 if the ticket prices were attractive enough! ;-)
Sunday May 10, 2009 11:25:48 PM

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