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Floyd Mayweather: He IS A Great Manager
By Frank Lotierzo
Well he did it, that's right Floyd "I Won't Fight In My Division" Mayweather Jr. provided his own version of "Shock and Awe" before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. In a press-conference the afternoon of the fight, Mayweather Jr. 39-0 (25 KOs) announced that he's coming out of retirement and will be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez 50-4-1 (37 KOs) who fought as a featherweight until March of 2008, this coming July.
If there is one boxing fan alive who ever believed that Mayweather was really retired for good, they better go back to watching reruns on the ScFi channel. The truth is Floyd Mayweather was never retired, nor did he ever let himself get out of shape. Incidentally, the second part of that is commendable. The first part is a joke. All Floyd has been doing is waiting around for the guys in his "real" division to either get old (Shane Mosley) lose (Miguel Cotto), get beat up (Antonio Margarito) outgrow the division (Paul Williams) and fall off the radar (Kermit Cintron).
How long are boxing fans going to be made a fool of by this manager/fighter? I have no problem with a fighter trying to make as much money with the least risk possible, to a degree. Joe Frazier has the best saying I've ever heard regarding the boxing business. It goes, "Boxing is the only sport where you get your brains shook, your money took, and your name in the undertaker’s book." Having said that, great fighters, I mean all-time great fighters, something I'm not convinced Floyd Mayweather Jr. is, seek out fights with other great fighters their size.
You'd think Mayweather would see that to a degree Roy Jones, who was a greater and more skilled fighter than him, suffers today from the perception of not always seeking fights that offered the biggest challenge. To this day Roy continues to fight to keep fans from forgetting who he was. Yeah, in a way we "Musta Forgot." This is what happens when you fight too many Clinton Woods.’
I'm not saying Mayweather can't beat Mosley, Cotto or Margarito. However, I can't say that he can either. I also know how the game works and what he's doing. This is fighting just to make the most money with the least risk so he can retire undefeated. He can't say that, but I can. Instead he tells us how great he is and sadly more than a few fans buy his BS.
Great? Maybe. I think outstanding is more the case. It's a joke and insult saying that he's in the same class as Sugar Ray Robinson, and he has to pay his way into the gym just to watch Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns wrap their hands. Look at the list of who's who that they fought compared to Mayweather.
Floyd actually has had more name fighters to fight than Roy Jones did during his prime. Does it take much imagination to wonder what Mayweather's record would be if he fought Shane Mosley's resume? Comparing quality of opposition between Mosley and Mayweather is like comparing hand speed between Butterbean and Larry Holmes.
In reality, Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't even undefeated, at least not in the ring. He lost the first meeting with Jose Luis Castillo 115-113. Even HBO house judge Harold Lederman scored the fight 7-5 in rounds for Castillo. Yep, Mayweather's network and their own judge had the fight 5-5 in rounds after 10. Lederman then correctly scored the 11th and 12th for Castillo, sealing the fight for his opponent. Mayweather clearly won the rematch, but the point is boxing fans have seen Mayweather bettered in the ring at least once.
I don't want to hear this baloney about Mayweather not being a true welterweight. That's just another excuse to keep Floyd from tangling with the guys in his division. Yeah, he's not a welterweight, but Marquez has to come up to 144 so Floyd has another opponent with a big name to pad his record. Didn't Mosley turn pro at 135, just five pounds heavier than Mayweather was when he turned pro? As far as Mayweather being seen as some kind of a warrior by agreeing to fight Marquez, if it comes off, and then Pacquiao, I just don't see it.
I have no doubt that boxing fans will flock to Mayweather and want to attack those that expose him for who he really is. Be my guest, let him rip you off and then give you a lousy one-sided fight versus a 36 year old opponent. Does it mean anything that when he beats Marquez he's beating a guy much smaller than him, who Pacquiao had down three times in the first round back in 2004. Does it say anything that he didn't even make Oscar De La Hoya look bad and actually lost rounds to him, and then Pacquiao dominated Oscar and retired him? Oh, and Shane Mosley beat Oscar more convincingly in 2000 than Mayweather did in 2007. Yet somehow everybody goes crazy over Mayweather. Can boxing fans be that starved to see a great fighter?
I'm not saying Floyd Mayweather Jr. doesn't posses a phenomenal skill set, because he does. In the ring he's a much smarter fighter than he gets credit for. He's terrific fundamentally and never beats himself. More than that, he's mentally tougher in the ring than he is credited for being and is great at making his opponent fight to their weakness. That said, he's not creative offensively nor does he exhibit a varied attack. His defense is outstanding, but that's more a case of him knowing when to punch and break off the exchanges. The problem is, I want to see him in there with another outstanding/great fighter his size who isn't old or on a steep decline.
At the press conference announcing his return Mayweather said, "I am not wasting any time with a tune-up fight. I'm going straight to the top. Marquez called me out immediately after his victory over Juan Diaz in February and now he gets his wish. What he is going to find out is that you should be careful what you wish for." Yeah Floyd, you're going to the top alright. The top of the lightweight division versus a fighter who is 2-0 as a lightweight. The only problem with that is you're a welterweight.
I guess he never heard Mosley, Cotto, Margarito or Williams call him out. I know I sure have. Floyd Mayweather Jr. in my opinion is very transparent in the con he's pulling off. Quite successfully I might add. Oh, and if anyone out there believes that the 37-year-old Mosley declined to fight Mayweather previously or fears him in any way, next you'll try and convince me New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is a choker too. Although, I do expect Mayweather to fight Mosley eventually, Shane’s just not old enough yet.
One more time, I'd have no problem giving Floyd Mayweather Jr. his props if he earned them the way past great fighters have, but he hasn't. He's definitely a great manager and no one can dispute that. Mayweather Jr. may be great, he just won't let us find out! And if he thinks beating Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao will change that, I say only in his mind. As great as they are, they are nowhere near as tough and dangerous to Mayweather as Mosley, Cotto and Margarito.
Pacquiao-Hatton & Mayweather:
The second round knockout scored by Manny Pacquiao over Ricky Hatton this past weekend was nothing short of breath-taking. There's no question about it, whether or not he beats Mayweather makes no difference, Manny Pacquiao is an all-time great pound for pound fighter. End of story.
On the other hand, Mayweather needs to beat more than just Pacquiao to have the same said of him in my opinion. Early prediction, I think Floyd has the style advantage over Manny and believe when they fight, yes, I said when, Mayweather will score a decision victory. As he should, he's clearly the bigger fighter and equally skilled.
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If you want blast Floyd for fighting smaller fighters, how about you blast Paul Williams as well. He's 6'3 and he has also called out pacquio. I feel as if your a BIG MAYHATER and those fighters you named never called out Floyd directly, nobody but shane and if he fights and beats shane then the excuse of him being 37 gets tossed around. Cotto and others never express in the interviews instead they sit back and say "i will let my promoter and team deal with that".
Monday May 4, 2009 04:18:03 PM
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carl:
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Don't count pacman out he a warrrior, with a lot of heart,and also has power so what out.
Monday May 4, 2009 04:25:43 PM
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Mike G:
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i agree completely...
Monday May 4, 2009 04:54:44 PM
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skee franchise:
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i think you're bein a lil hard on Mayweather! there's nothing wrong with being smart and making people wait to get there shot at you. Especially when you are on top!
Monday May 4, 2009 05:33:16 PM
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Ali :
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okay i love the article but the problem is that Lederman is not an official judge his own daughter is a judge and she says that he isnt a good judge at all thats why he isnt a official one.... for the mayweather vs. hatton fight lederman scored the whole fight for hatton!!!!! We all know thats not true!!!! Point is floyd did win the first bout with jose fairly and dominated the second time...
Monday May 4, 2009 05:40:30 PM
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Floyd really is between a junior welterweight and welterweight. He is actually a small welterweight but because of his amazing skill thats wher everyone wants to see him fight.Pacquio proved that he has grown into a naturally junior welterweight. I believe a catch weight @ 143 or 144 is an even fight. Mayweather is an top 10 great skill wise but lets see what happens. Pacquiao is 2 years younger and fighting the current #2 p4p best in JMM is not bad for almost a 20 month lay off. Let Mosley & cotto fight again to prove who deserves a shot @ Floyd. Don't disrespect a rare talent that we may not see again in 20 years. Also,Pacquiao is that same talent as Floyd. We better enjoy them both and pray for a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight because when its all said & done they both will probaly be top 25 best p4p fighters of all time. Best fight since Hagler-Leonard & you better hope it happens if you respect & love boxing?
Monday May 4, 2009 07:03:41 PM
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ALL you boatbuyer's(PBF)lovers, looks like you can't handle the truth bottom line PBF wil not be considered a P4P best unless he fights real WW not cherrypicked opponents at LW as we all know PBF is expected to beat JMM and PACMAN A GOOD BIG MAN will always beat A GOOD little man in his prime real talk
Monday May 4, 2009 07:06:36 PM
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isidro:
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Mayweather jr's claim to be the p4p king is in very serious doubt
for he is not anymore.Manny just solidify his p4p king by a very crystal clear fluid performance in destroying Ricky the hit man Hatton.If by july 18 scheduled fight with Juan manuel Marquez
He lost ,his claim will be down to a whisper.However if he wins Pacuiao's decision not to to have a third match with JMM is more
than justified for he can't follow the leader and his selling value will be of question and diminished.The future scenario is for the proven victor and the posturing is for the wannabe...
Monday May 4, 2009 08:27:51 PM
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At the rate PBF is going in challenging old fighters I bet next in line is Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Laonard and if he wins Hector Macho Camacho. At the rate he is fighting smaller fighers instead of the likes of Cotto, Mosley and Margarito, heard that my 8 year old neighbor is next in line too.
Pacman vs PBF, bet the Pac eats him up alive by the 9th round.
Monday May 4, 2009 08:48:04 PM
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Very well said. Floyd maybe rare in his boxing talent, but he doesn't fight with anyone on his prime. As Mr . Frank outlined all the above names, it added to my attention the timing when he announced his comeback, a day before Pacquaio-Hatton fight, obviously to stay out of Pacquaio's way because he knew the Pacman will win. It could have been more challenging if he waited for a day and pick Pacquiao as a perfect contender. He anticipated the fight and chose an escape goat in the person of JMM. He will defeat the Mexican to gain some pride as he thinks, because anyway we see it, he will need to call out Pacquiao. Terrible...
Monday May 4, 2009 08:50:18 PM
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lacson:
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Mayweather is a coward. Have you not seen this guy fight? Have you not seen the fear in his eyes when he gets hit? He has no heart. He hasn't fought a finisher. When and if he fights Pacquiao, he will be destroyed, because once Manny hurts him, he won't be able to get away.
Monday May 4, 2009 08:50:34 PM
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Floyd should be required to fight at 140lbs against Manny for it to be judged a fair fight.
Super defense vs super offense...Manny might just be able to blitz Floyd Jr. if Roach can find a kink in PBFs armor. But the Pacman has to exploit it real quick before PBF can adjust.
Monday May 4, 2009 08:54:56 PM
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It's funny that Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes, with 3 linear titles, yet he always gets criticized for fighting smaller guys. By the way, Mosley ducked Floyd at 135 back in the day. Besides that, I don't think fighting the #2 P4P guy is such an easy fight. And do you actually pay attention to Harold Letterman? I could smoke crack throughout the fight and score it more realistically than that guy
Monday May 4, 2009 08:55:03 PM
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I think Mayweather will not fight Pacquiao this year. Why Pacquiao is in his prime at this moment. FMJr. likes to fight guys in thier declining career. Why? That is to protect his record. Fighting Dela Hoya does not proved both Pacquiao/Floyd as a great fighter. Why? Dela Hoya was in a declining moment of his career. Well, for Pacquiao it serves as a tuneup bout but for Mayweather is already a welterweight fighter is a coward choice. He should have fight Mosley. Mosley is old when comes to age but has properly maintain his physical and mental weapons for boxing.
Monday May 4, 2009 08:57:35 PM
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Jet G:
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I don't believe this crap article.you are putting mayweather down but actually you don't hate him,you hate manny.why?because you could not believe the fact that manny is the best.good for us because you are the one who is distrubed by this and not us because we know that they know that most of us know that manny is already one of the all time greatest.and your guys are just one of the all time best in this era.your sourgraping unsportmanlike era.welcome to the club.
Monday May 4, 2009 09:00:50 PM
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Ken:
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I totally agree with this author. Thank you for being honest and finally exposing Mayweather. Mayweather is nothing but a trash talking king. He was never a poun for pound king as he has ducked those that posed a threat to him as you mentioned. With Pacman, he has faced and demolished everyone in his division and above (Barerra, Morales, JMM, and even Oscar). Pacman is truly deserving of the pound for pound title as he has continually challenged himself with top caliber opponents. We need more writers such as yourself. Keep up the good honest work!
Monday May 4, 2009 09:07:19 PM
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Hey william137 did Jr paid you off. I agree with Frank Lotierzo Jr is a BIG CHICKEN IN MY BOOK! AND HE CALLS HIMSELF P4P WOW!!!!! fighting alot smaller fighter so he can secure a WIN
Monday May 4, 2009 09:11:52 PM
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It's not that Floyd isn't good. It's just that you expect a person with immense talent to achieve so much more - especially when he claims to be better than Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Robinson or Ali etc. Those guys fought the best. Heck, Robinson has more KO victories than Floyd ever fought (actually, more than practically just about any fighter who ever lived).
Floyd jr. fought Sharmba Mitchelle, Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir - none of whom will be in the hall of fame. The better tier fighters he fought were past their primes Jose Luis Castillo and Oscar de la Hoya. As for the Hatton fight, Floyd made Hatton move up to 147 where Hatton wasn't effective at all. Clearly the path of least resistance - and that's not the resume of an all-time great. Simple as that.
Just a reminder, Pacquiao fought Hatton in Hatton's terms - fighting at the weight class Hatton dominated for more than a decade. Pacquiao only took to rounds to win whereas Floyd needed 10. And that two round demolition came from a man that started his career at 106 pounds.
Pacquiao is the little man chopping down bigger men his entire career. Floyd is the bully picking on fighters that suit his style to protect his undefeated record. But at the end of the day, his undefeated record is nothing more than a sham like his father as the self-proclaimed "world's best trainer". I guess, rotten apples never fall far from the tree.
Monday May 4, 2009 09:14:37 PM
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JMM ain't no easy fight for dancing with the stars Floyd Jr . I think JMM will win the match and it will JMM vs Pacman Dec
Monday May 4, 2009 09:22:48 PM
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It's not that Floyd isn't good. It's just that you expect a person with immense talent to achieve so much more - especially when he claims to be better than Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Robinson or Ali etc. Those guys fought the best. Heck, Robinson has more KO victories than Floyd ever fought (actually, more than practically just about any fighter who ever lived).
Floyd jr. fought Sharmba Mitchelle, Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir - none of whom will be in the hall of fame. The better tier fighters he fought were past their primes Jose Luis Castillo and Oscar de la Hoya. As for the Hatton fight, Floyd made Hatton move up to 147 where Hatton wasn't effective at all. Clearly the path of least resistance - and that's not the resume of an all-time great. Simple as that.
Just a reminder, Pacquiao fought Hatton in Hatton's terms - fighting at the weight class Hatton dominated for more than a decade. Pacquiao only took to rounds to win whereas Floyd needed 10. And that two round demolition came from a man that started his career at 106 pounds.
Pacquiao is the little man chopping down bigger men his entire career. Floyd is the bully picking on fighters that suit his style to protect his undefeated record. But at the end of the day, his undefeated record is nothing more than a sham like his father as the self-proclaimed "world's best trainer". I guess, rotten apples never fall far from the tree.
Monday May 4, 2009 09:25:34 PM
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Tyrone Hill:
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floyd get that money
Monday May 4, 2009 09:29:28 PM
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Mayweather Jr & Sr combined could not beat Manny Pacquiao. I'll bet for Manny. Mayweathers' are good only for verbal boxing. They are both acting like girls, they do the talking and not on acting.... hahahahaha.....
Monday May 4, 2009 09:30:23 PM
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Well put williamu137. as a boxing fan, i can appreciate what pacman and fmm fight brings to the table. 4 years ago, this discussion would have been a joke. I would've not wanted my boy pacman to go against my 2nd favorite fighter. But now, pacman has closed the gap in weight and in technical skills. Although, I have to admit fmm is still technically superior. I can see politics squeezing more $$$ towards the anticipation of pacman-fmm fight. A fight between pacman\\mayweather vs. cotto\\mosley will probably need to happen 1st. And if Arum and FMM can make the pacman-fmm fight happen, it would be legendary.
Monday May 4, 2009 09:34:09 PM
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High King:
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Very Nice Article with points taken clearly stating the facts....
Monday May 4, 2009 09:55:45 PM
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pelonis:
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Just like his father...
Both are loud mouths!
Both are shrewed businessman!
Both boast illusionary greatness !
Both are sick in the head!
Floyd Sr and Jr are a joke!
Nothing more nothing less!
Monday May 4, 2009 10:03:28 PM
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dont worry Frank, Pacman vs Mayweather will take place soon and there is no way Floyd is gonna win over Pacman.. Floyd may be very good in defense but he wont be all the time against Pacman.. one way or the other a hard left from Pacman will see it through without Floyd seeing where it came from.. plus Pacman now has a vaunted right hook called the Manila Ice.. Pacman's little size all the more adds to his potency and effectiveness as a monster since he is underestimated without being regarded for his true value leaving his opponents unprepared come fight time.. Pacman will expose Floyd's fraud P4P best ranking he had before.. believe me on this one... mismatch is what people will utter after they fight...
Monday May 4, 2009 10:03:54 PM
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dw:
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just plain great stuff by frank. thanks
Monday May 4, 2009 10:03:59 PM
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kirk3451:
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dont worry Frank, Pacman vs Mayweather will take place soon and there is no way Floyd is gonna win over Pacman.. Floyd may be very good in defense but he wont be all the time against Pacman.. one way or the other a hard left from Pacman will see it through without Floyd seeing where it came from.. plus Pacman now has a vaunted right hook called the Manila Ice.. Pacman's little size all the more adds to his potency and effectiveness as a monster since he is underestimated without being regarded for his true value leaving his opponents unprepared come fight time.. Pacman will expose Floyd's fraud P4P best ranking he had before.. believe me on this one... mismatch is what people will utter after they fight...
Monday May 4, 2009 10:04:09 PM
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Great article Frank!
mayweather is a fraud... he fights lower of his classes...he has nothing to gain whether he beats marquez and pacquiao...those are smaller guys and not in his level... mayweather should fight man of his own size....thats it....pacman is an all time great beating the impossible beating man not of his own size in a fashionable way....im lucky im in the generation of the pacman....
Monday May 4, 2009 10:09:48 PM
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I Agree with you...Floyd is not a good fighter! He is only good in trash talking...He is afraid of Manny I bet! Manny knocks out Hatton in the 2nd round...Floyd knocks Hatton in the 10th rd! And if you see the punch of Floyd with Hatton is not a clean punch...
Monday May 4, 2009 10:11:52 PM
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Couldn't agree with this article more. The reason I call him Fraud Mayweather was when Arum offered him $8 million to fight Margacheato but declined because he said Margarito has 5 losses and that he does not belong in the same ring as him. At that point, the most Fraud ever made in a fight was $4 million. So what does he do instead? He fought Baldomir who had 10 losses at the time. I don't blame him for not wanting to fight Paul Williams because he is too damn tall but he should challenge Cotto or Sugar Shane. To call yourself the best of all time you have to test yourself with the best out there and he hasn't. It really is sad that a lot of people buy his BS.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:15:45 PM
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Hi Frank.....you're absolutely right. If I'm to rate Floyd as a fighter he is very satisfactory..... not excellent nor great. Dont get me wrong but Floyd always cherrypick his opponents just to preserve that O unlike Manny and JuanMa who are willing to face anyone whome their promoters put infront of them. Floyd got no balls but big mouth like Sr. Floyd. If he can beat Cotto or Shane then I will consider him as in the mold of Manny but now no, he is just and ordinary dancing running scared fighter.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:25:52 PM
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Finally everyone is starting to see the real facts about Mayweather. After the battles he has had at lightweight division I began noticing the skills he possessed he caught me as a fan. I thought he had the skill of a Sugar Ray Leonard(all-time fan of mine). I wanted to see him go against guys who were making a name for themselves(Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, and Mosley). I wanted to see him put his skills to the test. I wanted to see another great legend in the making. But failed to meet all of the above, he denied every fighter that posed a threat to his undefeated record. He failed to entertain his fans(sweet science can mix with aggression) like Leonard use to in his battles. Frank Lo, your article is spot on!!But I see Manny Pacquiao winning by split decision over Floyd.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:26:07 PM
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dont worry Frank, Pacman vs Mayweather will take place soon and there is no way Floyd is gonna win over Pacman.. Floyd may be very good in defense but he wont be all the time against Pacman.. one way or the other a hard left from Pacman will see it through without Floyd seeing where it came from.. plus Pacman now has a vaunted right hook called the Manila Ice.. Pacman's little size all the more adds to his potency and effectiveness as a monster since he is underestimated without being regarded for his true value leaving his opponents unprepared come fight time.. Pacman will expose Floyd's fraud P4P best ranking he had before.. believe me on this one... mismatch is what people will utter after they fight...
Monday May 4, 2009 10:35:46 PM
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abdul jakul of labangal:
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Babyfloyd, pacman is just only a boxer or a p4p boxer he is waitng for your answer try to fight our new IBO LIGHT WELTERWIEGHT CHAMP................
Monday May 4, 2009 10:36:01 PM
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Like Frank had said and to the point, Roy Jones had probably one of the best boxing skills combined with power, had he fought the top echelon fighters, his legacy could have been up there with the Haglers, Leonards and Durans BUT he ducked good opposition. The same is true with Floyd, he is very skilled but he doesn't have the balls to mix it up with the Cottos, the Mosleys, the Paul Williamses. He takes the easy route with less risk. Dela Hoya is a good boxer ( tho not at the level of Hearns Leonard or Duran) but he never ducked anyone - fought Trinidad, Vargas, Mosley, BHop. Same can be said about Pacquiao - just the trio alone of Morales, Barrera and Marquez far exceeds the quality of competition Floyd ever faced- that's top echelon competition. Floyd on the other hand chose to follow Roy Jones and fight mostly sack of potatoes or fighters past their prime - Gatti, Baldomir, Shramba Mitchell... The true measure of greatness is the level of competition that Floyd puts himself against. Leonard fought Hagler, Hearns and Duran. For Floyd to be great he needs to fight Cotto, Mosley or even the p4p king spitfire Pacquiao. Most likely he will fight Pacquiao since Pacquiao is the smallest (only in size not skill or heart) or maybe he would even duck Pacquiao if he realizes that Pacman is too risky of an opponent, wait 3 more years then agrees to fight Mosley when Mosley is 40.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:49:20 PM
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How about if PBF cancel the fight with JMM and fight MP instead on July ? The guy needs the money to pay uncle sam ! Everyone knows if they want a big payout MP is the man before he retire's !!
Monday May 4, 2009 10:52:24 PM
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floyd being at welterweight is just an excuse. you guys saying hes a small welter should stop defending him. if hes small, move down, he doesnt fight anyone in that division anyways. he just wants to call on smaller guys to move up, so he would have the advantage. even in hes weight hes being defensive. its smart but doesnt prove anything else.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:53:59 PM
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Yahooo...my hero won. By the way, let's not talk about this whole crap as Mr. Frank said. Let's talk about the father of MayHater...the Snr. Where is he now? Where is the big mouth murmuring before the fight of Pacman vs. Hitman. Now as like father like son he should lure from his cabin. WTF MayHater Snr.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:56:26 PM
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boyarate:
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and paquiao has not grown into a natural junior welter, hes small. he just proves he can beat guys in junior welter and welter. he proves he has the power and skill that can beat guys there. thats what a real number 1 p4p fighter does.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:01:49 PM
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agree, saying he's going right back to the top and agree to fight JMM?
mosley is waiting with a belt. that's where the top is.. why pick the small guy
Monday May 4, 2009 11:02:57 PM
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Floyd looks good fighting because he is not fighting the best. He just try to demonstrate he got great body movements. He can do that because whoever he fought are not taking advantage of his weakness. Pac and Roach team will take advantage of that. Floyd will appear old and blame his long lay-off. I don't like this fight. Pac can't win no matter what. Floyd is the real fraud.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:03:01 PM
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i think mayweather jr. has a big mouth just like his father truly a blood runs through his vein is come from his father a mouth warrior.A true warrior will not stop until he finds the best in the ring even if its in high category you cannot say your the best if your dominant in your division you must look high and not down to see the best opponent even if mayweather wins he is a big guy to compete with a smaller guy get real your playing with a kid go find your own skilled fighter that runs and shot i say if manny fights you at 147 and defeat you, you will eat all the things that you have said that "manny is not even closer to you" yeah because you always run you should be on the track on field. I bet you are...
Monday May 4, 2009 11:03:20 PM
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Marvin:
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I dont think mayweather-pacquiao will happen. floyd will be pricing himself out of the fight.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:15:06 PM
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jaythang:
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Mayweather can win by decision to Pacquiao
Pacquiao can win by knock-out to Mayweather
END OF STORY
Monday May 4, 2009 11:16:14 PM
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evan:
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Mayweather is so scared of losing his undefeated record. How can I admire the guy. He even insult boxing greats by saying he is better than them. And I get bored watching him fight.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:16:27 PM
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polwilliams:
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you kno what guys.. this guyweather is a joke. he defeated ODLH in 12 rounds, he defeated Hitman in 10 rounds - ODLH & RH was defeated buy Lil Filipino in 8 & 2 rounds respectively, so its only goes to show whos the best P4P bet them.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:20:21 PM
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Fil-Mex:
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nice article...that exposes not only mayweather's boring antics inside the ring but also outside the ring tactics...i truly agree...
Monday May 4, 2009 11:20:54 PM
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PAC is the MAN:
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u made ur point clearly against Floyd that he is always playing it safe. however i dont see why you say that if he fights Pacquiao, floyd is going to win. is it bcoz of the saying that a good big man will win against a good small man. that might be true in most cases but not in pacquiao's. he has proven himself more than too many times. first diaz then Oscar and Hatton. wat does it take for you guys to acknowledge that he is truly great. i bet that if Floyd and Pac fights and Pac wins the excuse will be Floyd has ring rust or didnt get the proper training. can just for ones admit that Pac is actually better than the opposition.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:37:05 PM
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kirk3451:
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dont worry Frank, Pacman vs Mayweather will take place soon and there is no way Floyd is gonna win over Pacman.. Floyd may be very good in defense but he wont be all the time against Pacman.. one way or the other a hard left from Pacman will see it through without Floyd seeing where it came from.. plus Pacman now has a vaunted right hook called the Manila Ice.. Pacman's little size all the more adds to his potency and effectiveness as a monster since he is underestimated without being regarded for his true value leaving his opponents unprepared come fight time.. Pacman will expose Floyd's fraud P4P best ranking he had before.. believe me on this one... mismatch is what people will utter after they fight...
Monday May 4, 2009 11:37:47 PM
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maseph02:
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Great article Frank!
mayweather is a fraud... he fights lower of his classes...he has nothing to gain whether he beats marquez and pacquiao...those are smaller guys and not in his level... mayweather should fight man of his own size....thats it....pacman is an all time great beating the impossible beating man not of his own size in a fashionable way....im lucky im in the generation of the pacman....
Monday May 4, 2009 11:38:45 PM
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MANG RESTY:
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Pacquaio can KO mayweather anytime.Share yor thoughts thru chat or forum at pacfans-corner .Mabuhay ang Pinoy!!!
Monday May 4, 2009 11:45:28 PM
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Buboy F:
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Frank, I agree with you. Here is the difference between Pacquiao and Mayweather:
Pacquiao fights going up in weight while Mayweather avoid those in his own weight and fight below his weight or older ODLH and can only manage a decision.
Pacquiao is always on attack mode while Mayweather keeps running away.
Pacquiao Knocked out ODLHH while Mayweather had a decision - a mismatch
Pacquiao knocked out cold Hatton in the 2nd round while Mayweather took him 10 rounds.- a mismatch
I see Mayweather as very scared to fight his own size and weight.
Compared to Manny Pacquiao:
1) Manny is fearless, 2) He carries his strength to higher weights, 3) He has quick speed both hands and in his foot work, 4) magnificently accurate to his punches, and 5) he is always 100% committed to winning.
I watched the classic fights of the old fighters who were supposed to be great and I have not seen anyone so dominating to their opponents as Manny. Not even Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard during their prime. There is not such thing as rope-a-dup for Manny. He is always on attack mode. Manny’s first gear is like a Caterpillar bulldozer and his fifth gear is like a tsunami.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:13:09 AM
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Dr. T:
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I totally agree in your article.
I will be rooting for JMM (the underdog) to beat FMJ. But both of these guys are defensive boxers - I have a gut feeling it will be a boring fight. I see JMM attacking to make it an exciting fight - and that is Mayweather's trap.... FMJ runs away inside the ring and ducks quality opponents' challenges outside. Now - that's an all time-great of another category - an all-time great pretender.
Go Pacman!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:15:52 AM
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AIGer:
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The reason why PBF didn't wait for the pacquiao-hatton winner is that he didn't consider that as a tune-up fight coz he knows that if he fights the winner that will be the biggest challenge in his entire career. Co'z he could actually loose!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:17:52 AM
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elpasa:
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Hey Pls Floyd Badweather. Don't dream of fighting the Pacman coz on July 18 you're no match to my second best fighter Juan Manuel marquez pls don't forget my words. You better fight Gerry Penalosa who is 38 yrs old but still brave and fighting the best but I think you can have a draw only on this fight. So goodbye to your last fight with JMM.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:26:55 AM
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sizzlingsquid:
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i think Pretty Boy is too overrated. a guy of Pacquiao's skill can finish off the likes of Money May; hard proof of this is the Mayweather-Zab Judah fight. his vulnerabilities are just too telling.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:05:22 AM
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ARNEL:
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MANNY PAQUIAO IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER EVER LIVED ACCORDING TO BOB ARUM..its true..manny paquiao is a pound for pound king and MR mayweather said iam the king of boxing waste of time ur BIG LIAR boy....according to the people of the world MANNY PAQUIAO IS THE GREATEST BOXER AND THE GREATEST FIGHTER FOR THE NEXT FIGHT OF MANNY PAQUIAO I CONSIDER THE OPPONENT IS MIGUEL COTTO AFTER MIGUEL COTTO AND MR MAYWEATER OF JUAN MARQUEZ
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:27:43 AM
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john:
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i completely agree!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:31:09 AM
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boxing fan:
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THIS MESSAGE IS FOR" floyd mayweather" WHY DON'T YOU FIGHT A REAL WELTERWEIGHT? miguel cotto,shane mosley
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:02:11 AM
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Joel Camero:
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First, Mayweather vs. Marquez will be the dullest boxing match ever. Both fighters don't have power punches and their style, compare to Pacman, is soooooooooooooooo boringggggggg.
After watching Pacman destroyed De la Hoya and Hatton in the ring, boxing fans will be treated with this over hyped loud - mouthed clown Mayweather Jr. of his genius- genius in talkmanship...
blah blah blah...
Off course Marquez will win this fight , not because his a greater fighter, but because he had THE opportunity of fighting Pacman - The Greatest Boxer of All Time.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:04:28 AM
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boyarate:
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i hope jmm beats mayweather so that all the pacquiao vs mayweather crap would all stop. id much rather want to see the real best guys p4p (pacquiao vs marquez) than a fraud vs the real p4p num1, pacquiao. we dont need to see mayweather vs pacquiao because it is so clear even now who has the skill, power and heart of a real p4p champ. mayweather may have the skill and power, but pacquiao has them all. marquez keeps proving he has all of those too so im all for pacquiao vs marquez.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:08:07 AM
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Carlo:
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Great Article. Floyd should be ashamed of himself for saying that a Good big man beats a Good Little man. Pick on someone youre own size if you are really that great.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:08:17 AM
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john:
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I agree with the author, well said !!!!!! More power to You!!!!!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:08:41 AM
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sizzlingsquid:
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i think Pretty Boy is too overrated. a guy of Pacquiao's skill can finish off the likes of Money May; hard proof of this is the Mayweather-Zab Judah fight. his vulnerabilities are just too telling.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:08:59 AM
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froilan:
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the fight between floyd jr and jmm will again be a boring one just like the delahoya and floyd jr b4. jmm is a counter puncher while mayweather jr does not want to initiate action. there's no explosiveness in this two guys unlike PACMAN who's heart is so big and very exciting to watch. PAC is the real draw now. i agree with this writer, that floyd jr should fight big names in his weight category. no question he(fmw) has talent. hope jmm would upset him and make a trilogy with the "PAC" just to settle the score
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:11:27 AM
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valero!!!!!!!:
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just watched the valero-pitalua fight. valero said after the fight he would be glad to fight the winner of the hatton-pac bout. He said that that he's much faster than pac and hatton. haha. What a joke. Undeniably valero has destructive power in both hands. but manny can match him in punching power. But in the skill and speed department valero is totally outclassed by pac. Valero hasn't faced the likes of manny before. i hope before manny will retire he gets to teach this guy a boxing lesson. But i think there would be no money in fighting valero for manny. To many cash cows out there like floyd and mosley for pacquiao. i think JMM would take Valero to school.. but you can never be too sure with a guy like valero. He packs a bazooka in both hands. If he can develop fluid foot work and a respectable defense he could match up well with today's greats. as of now he has no need for those things as he has KO'd all of his poor 25 opponents. Bright future for this guy.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:11:36 AM
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boyarate:
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i hope jmm beats mayweather so that all the pacquiao vs mayweather crap would all stop. id much rather want to see the real best guys p4p (pacquiao vs marquez) than a fraud vs the real p4p num1, pacquiao. we dont need to see mayweather vs pacquiao because it is so clear even now who has the skill, power and heart of a real p4p champ. mayweather may have the skill and power, but pacquiao has them all. marquez keeps proving he has all of those too so im all for pacquiao vs marquez.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:13:01 AM
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twinkletoe:
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"A big, great fighter always beats a small, good fighter." Mayweather said and is a belief that Pacquiao contradicted time and again.
I hope Mayweather, rather than going after the small P4P's, will follow the same feat Pacquiao made and go after those boxers bigger than him, if not his own size, and, in addition, be exciting in the ring as a complete boxer, not just being a proficient counterpuncher.
BULLYING SMALLER GUYS IS NOT REALLY A QUALITY OF A POUND FOR POUND FIGHTER.
MAKING IMPRESSIVE FEATS MAKE P4P's, like having a 100% knockout and undefeated record (Valero), being the division champion for several years (Pavlik?, Hatton), or in Pacquiao's case, going after bigger famed fighters, winning against them and being the most exciting fighter.
After signing up a fight with the 36-year-old Marquez, who only fought twice recently as a lightweight, I would not be surprised if he would be up against a WOMAN in the future.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:36:59 AM
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bobby pacquiao:
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while i agree with the writer in some of his observations about mayweather, i believe it is not fair to say that he's ducked great fighters in the prime. moreover, after the euphoria of this pacquiao win over hatton, things will be back to normal and people will think that after all, mayweather is still the man on top and no filipino by the name of manny the pacman, ferocious as he is, can take that away from the moneyman.
if and when the fight between manny and money will materialize, the pacman will meet his nemises in the ring and soon he'll find out that he too is very beatable just like other boxing greats.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:39:18 AM
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sizzlingsquid:
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i think Pretty Boy is too overrated. a guy of Pacquiao's skill can finish off the likes of Money May; hard proof of this is the Mayweather-Zab Judah fight. his vulnerabilities are just too telling.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:39:57 AM
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ronald:
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to those who are offended with this write-up pls. don't be mad at mr. f-lo. i think what he has written is a fact. he cannot say it better than that. thanks
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:00:03 AM
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Tyrone:
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I cannot stand Fraud Mayweather but those who say Pacquiao will beat him easily or that he is not as skilled as Manny have to be kidding themselves. For Pacquiao to beat Floyd he has to be the perfect fighter that night. His defense is second to none and Freddy Roach will have to come up with a game plan to get through that tough and slick defense. Both men are tireless and super quick. Don't get me wrong, it will be tough for Fraud as well because he cannot relax even for a second or else Manny will nail him with that super fast cross. It will be a fight for the ages. We have one fighter with the best defense and counter punching and the other the best at attacking. Will Fraud pot shot his way to victory or will Manny make him fight? Hope this happens and Fraud doesn't price himself out.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:04:12 AM
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fil-duran:
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this article is true...after seeing that fight i will forever marvel how MP gave the hitman the "manila ice". in slow motion MP saw the hitmans punch before it was even coming then ducked and beaten hitman with the punch with his right hook!!! that is how MP's speed is and coordination of his defense. the question is can gayweather can do that kind of move? that is why MP is the greatest fighter of all time a reincarnation of robinson... good thing in this generation a man like MP came into to town to show what real boxing is. its not the show its not the money but how you will beat tour opponents in the ring... LET THE FIST DO THE TALK!!!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:22:18 AM
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iloveboxing:
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Nice article Frank. PBF is a good fighter but has not fought any real challenger and he's doing it again by fight JMM.
JMM may be the no. 2 P4P fighter but he is also 36 y.o. and fighting at 144 lbs. I mean how gay can you get. JMM is way beyond his fighting weight. Although I think PBF is smart because JMM is a counter puncher and with their respective styles PBF has the advantage. I hope JMM beats him just to shut his mouth then PACQUIAO vs. COTTO or MARQUEZ..
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:29:50 AM
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ianpogi:
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could somebody mail this article to floyd? I THEREFORE CONCLUDE, MAYWEATHER AVOIDS FIGHTERS AT THEIR PRIME!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:41:13 AM
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titimo:
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So many chances and opportunities to leave a legacy, so much talent but such a tiny tiny heart . If only his heart is as big as his talent...what a waste! His record doesn't mean anything at all to boxing fans, it's just statistics. I think fans would have love him more even if he loses as long as he showed GUTS. Can't you see why fans love boxers such as Gatti and Hatton(limited abilities but pure heart)? For once, show us some pride FMJ! No guts no glory! If you were a soldier, I wouldn't want to be on your side, you'd surely be a deserter! Just my two cents... peace!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:47:32 AM
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fan:
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great article and very accurate..mayweather is too scared to fight real strong guys..coward.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:59:47 AM
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jam:
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amen
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:14:55 AM
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B. Arum:
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Don't watch boxing on July 18...you're wasting your money...it's a big FLUKE!!!!!!!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:18:56 AM
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miceos_cleu:
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The only man who is to blame of the shocking defeat of The Hitman is ODLH, because of his annoucement of the comeback of Floyd the day before the fight in which awakened the dragon inside the Pacman's heart.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:37:08 AM
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Alexandr Hermann:
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It's good that Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Maquez will fight in an elimination. Pacquiao and Roach will be just too happy on the sideline further studying the protagonists moves. Whoever wins between Floyd Jr. and Juan Manuel, come December, it will be just another walk in the park for the Pacman.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:38:24 AM
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Gil P. Acosta:
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YOUR ARE VERY WRONG FOR SAYING THAT MAYWEATHER JR. IS A GREAT MANAGER! HOW CAN YOU SAY HE IS EVEN A GREAT MANAGER WHEN HE IS BANCRUPT TO THE BONES AND BEING HUNTED BY IRS? GOOD MANAGERS MAKE MONEY AND NEVER BECOME BANCRUPT!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:04:37 AM
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Zekidada:
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Lets wait and see
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:54:08 AM
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no-nonsense:
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Greatness is when one overcomes adversity or challenges. What is sad is that PBF has the skills needed to do great things but he refuses to test those waters because he's scared. He's a business man rather than a real fighter - maximize earnings/minimize risks. I give a lot of credit to JMM for calling out PBF - not so smart but he's the true warrior in this fight since he is at most risk. I was a PBF fan before because I respected his skills but not anymore - all skills NO heart. The difference if and when he will fight MP (assuming he gets past JMM) will be that PBF will have a slight advantage on technical skills - very slight- but MP will have the power, the chin and the heart. I'd rather MP fight Mosley. If he losses, he does not loss any credibility, but if he wins then he will be immortalized in boxing history - which I think he already is anyway. MP is a true living legend, a loss to PBF will not tarnish that.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:40:28 AM
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Personally, PBF is a skilled fighter but he is not a p4p king. never been and never was. Pacman can destroy him easily. I like to see my hero pacman fight the likes of Cotto,and Mosley.no doubt in my mind he can beat them with ease.Nobody can touch him right now, and one more thing he is getting better and better every time he fights and he is always down to earth that really makes him even greater. not like the other guy PBF who keeps praising himself as the best , i guess the best trash talking trained by another excellent foul mouth trash talking guy.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:56:52 AM
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alex:
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all your bad comments about floyd mayweather jr is stupid. YOu know floyd jr is one of the best fighter in boxing. With his skills and talent (offence and defence), no one can beat this guy. It doesnt mean you knock out hatton in 2 rounds means pac the best. If you analyze, Pacquiao have difficulties in a talented boxer like jmm. He cant even stop him. pac last fight with jmm is a controversial. jmm is a skilled boxer and he is using his brain. For hatton, everyone knows that this guy has no boxing skills. He just use his muscles and wrestling, no defence at all. and it is a easy fight. IF pac fight floyd, i think, pac will lost because floyd fight intelligently.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:57:21 AM
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nydboy172:
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Pacman defeated marquez twice and many times he knocked him down. Pacman has delivered his sleeping punches to hatton within 2 rounds- Floyd ko hatton in the 10th, can he knock down marquez like Pacman did? I don't think so... Let's see. To sum it up, let's compare Pacman and Floyd. Who's who? Floyd vs. Marquez, a tune-up fight for Floyd? Seems he is so sure to win that fight. I don't think so. Marquez will win that fight. If ever Floyd won, that will really become his tune-up fight to face Pacman. But, I guess he'll sleep also... with a bloody nose, more devastated than hatton.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:57:24 AM
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zanzibar:
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right on the button sir... which is more impressive? Pacquiao beating Hatton @ 140 (Hatton's best fighting weight) by brutal TKO or Mayweather beating Hatton at 147 (Mayweather's fighting weight)? Mayweather is scared as hell with the top fighters @ 147 yet Pacquiao is willing to face them...
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:19:44 AM
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alex:
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whoever floyd fights, the outcome will also be the same -- boring. he is a sprinter and dancer more than a boxer.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:44:36 AM
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rook510:
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Floyd has great defense, style, and counterpunching. Floyd is scared to fight big name fighters like Cotto and Mosley. I'm not taking anything away from his accomplishments, but I don't think he is a great fighter. Igf he is what he says he is "Money Mayweather" then fight guys like Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao. Those opponents will fill ur pockets in no time. Both Mayweather and Marquez are counterpunchers it will be slow and tedious for the first six rounds. I think if Marquez will be the busier man he can walk out with a decision as long as he's focused. In this fight I would like Mayweather to come forward more keep his defensive style but be more aggressive like Pacquiao. I believe if Pretty Boy does this he will be a better puncher/boxer and it's what people want to see. As for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, Pacman will get the best out of Mayweather. Pacman will test PBF power, if he feels he can handle it Pacman will let loose hit him with rights and lefts while PBF is blocking.Pacman will rush PBF then dart out, thats when PBF will come forward try to attempt to look like he's fighting back MP. But Pacman will be waiting for him then boom another flurry of rights and lefts from Pacman.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:24:14 AM
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Why did FMJr opted to fight JMM instead of Shane Mosley who is waiting for another big fight? What is the honor in defeating an older and a lot smaller fighter? Now I have totally lost respect in FMJr. Why don't he drag a paralytic to beat up inside the ring and proclaim that he is again undefeated. So gay!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:36:04 AM
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noel:
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You know guys, i just have to tell you things about mayweather.
When he fights, do you enjoy watching it?
- Well I dont! He dont box, he ran around the ring, its not the real boxing like the great fighters did!
It's annoying watching him fight, he's a coward and ducker!
Watch the Mayweather and De la Hoya fight!
One thing I can tell you, watch all the Manny Pacquiao fights, even he is the smaller or bigger or what ever, he is undoubtedly the best fighter ever!
Mayweather is not even worthy of comparing to manny pacquiao!
Wake-Up!!
I'm sure this will end when the dream match came true and Pacman beat mayweather in round 6. With Pacman, mayweathers defense is nothing! Pacman will eat him, he will just have to run and run around! Thats what he will do when this fight starts.
So please just make the match happen!
"DREAM MATCH"
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:47:50 AM
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pacquiao vs. mayweather.......... i don't think it's gonna happen..
the best p4p fraud is too chicken to face the pacman...
after seeing pacman's hatton destruction, he'll scamper like a scared little squirrel....
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:20:31 AM
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straight jab:
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wow Frank looks like you touched a nerve. holy cow everybody has a viewpoint. The bottom line is that Mayweather looked hard and long to find a fighter to comeback with that he matched up with size wise and style wise, was a safe fight for him, AND could sell PPV and to HBO hmmmm now that was a feat. and he found it. against a guy who is a featherweight, excuse me, 2 fights as a lightweight. perfect too big too strong and the guy can't hurt you. and you make 10 million or so. not too shabby. Franks point to you guys is that styles make fights. Hatton was so tailor made for Manny. he was there to get hit, coming forward all the time and not nearly as quick. Like all assasins If you come to Pacquiao you will get starched. he combination of speed and power in both hands along with a great chin, and the balls of an elephant make him a life taker toe to toe. But Maywether will not fight that kind of fight. He is defense 1st, especially against a serious puncher like Pacquiao. He will jab and run, and circl away and then tie up Manny. rarely risking his chin. because he is bigger I would bet he will be able to tie up Manny in clinches. what this leads to is Pacquiao chasing, pursuing , and lunging at floyd. Which will take a lot of the power off Pacquiao's punches and leave him open to get countered. it will also lead to a fight that underwhelms the hype. Can Pacquiao win? sure he can. but he'd have to swarm and overwhelm the bigger man, and a great fighter too. No I think Frank has it right. huge hype pound for pound championship! huge money huge ratings, huge PPV and a boring Maywether decision 8-4 something like that.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:48:31 AM
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Reposted: The haters have begun to argue like Hatton...with their hearts, not their head. They have forgotten how good Floyd really is..... and do so at their own risk. Floyd did not return to lose. He has been in constant training and has picked a strong fighter to beat. He wants money and legacy. He will not waste time with yours or my arbitrary wish list. He will fight only the biggest names for the most money. His PPV with Oscar was and still is the record. He'll aim to beat it. I predict JMM, MP and Cotto at a minimum. Mosely in a year or so. Boxing is full of surprises...but Floyd knows this game. He has a plan. JMM will not interfere. pc
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:21:01 AM
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One shot to the chin from Manny's blazing fists will stop Mayweather from running around the ring. I can't imagine how a guy who likes to run but couldn't do it after getting caught with a paralyzing shot. He could look like a rooster running on a single leg. Lol.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:40:42 AM
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PEOPLE, the truth hurt don't it? F-Lo Writa' - Best article ever man! You spit the truth like Corrales spit his mouthpiece! I love it when pple write down everything you ever thought, and better, and with more background information and pizazz! Just like that writer who wrote the deconstructing and forming of a game plan in 2-3 parts agst Floyd, was it you too F-Lo Writa'? when are you gonna reunite with T-Pain for another album? Pc out!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:47:00 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG - where are all these "G" pseudonym reader coming from?:
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The straight G, and knowing it. First, Fightwriter F-Lo, WOW! I'm glad that you are a keyboard tapper, instead of a whitecoat medication prescribing merchant. You would have murder Money May in plain sight with the maddest state of malpractice. I'm not hating Money May. He is in the sleazy, seedy, legal mayhem business of hurt -- hurt your arse, hurt your feeling, your confidence, your pocket book, etc., etc. Hurt any darn thing that you can. And in the end, if you don't get paid well, that is on you. Marquez has not gotten Money May, Golden Boy and Pera Pac money. As a senior citizen boxer now, he want to get paid BIG for once. Money May -- out of the kindness of his heart -- is giving this canvas smooching warrior a chance to get some serious Benjamins. Don't hate that. Don't HATE Money May for being kind and consider. All these bigger welterweight didn't really want any part of Money May. They get noisy -- just a lot of wind -- whenever he out does them. And nobody has beaten Money May. The official verdict is the only one that counts. Your hero Sugar Ray Robinson won a few official verdicts were he clearly got his arse wacked, or maybe he was having a bad night, or something. So lets not throw stones. Even Sugar Ray Leonard got a gift decision against Tommy Hearns. Every single great boxer has gotten gift decisions, except for Rocky Marciano and Mike Tyson. These two kickazz men were never awarded a bout that they didn't win clearly. Holla!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:48:22 AM
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I said it before and i'll say it again, NO ONE above 130 can handle Manny's speed, it has always been that way and will always be. Mayweahter's arsenal as only a few things: lead right hand, check hook, a mouth. Hahaha... gotta love floyd. Again, the attention whore is robbing media and attention from the true fight, Cotto Clottey. Look at Floyd in the picture, he is HAPPY to be back on the big stage again with all the attention. Look at Marquez, he is glad to be in a big fight with a Marquee fighter and to finally get his big payday. Yep. The way I see it is this: Mosley fights the winner of the Cotto Clottey Matchup, Floyd fights Manny, winner of the Mosley vs. C______ matchup fights Floyd. Exciting stuff! Andre Ward 2009!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:50:37 AM
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FRANK BEING FRANK. SPOT ON MATE. ANYWAY, IT WILL ALL BE IRRELEVANT WHEN JMM SHOCKS THE WORLD. MANNY V JMM 3. THE TWO TRUE WARRIORS. TOONOY
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:00:20 PM
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Repost: I don't think anyone is hating on JMM, it's a weight and size issue, not a skill or legacy. JMM is a blown up superfeatherweight as it is, does anyone disagree? Welterweight is too big of a jump. All the critics, if this is such a FAIR match, can ANYONE see the same thing with Floyd: moving up to middleweight to challenge a p4p fighter like Kelly Pavlik? 2 weight classes, agst someone in their prime, a p4p fighter. Please answer, b/c this is what JMM Is doing.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:07:19 PM
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Mr. Lee. You know this game well enough to know that Floyd doesn't need to move up to middle. He's the star. JMM needs him to make the money he earned but has never made. He also needs to win or forget redeeming himself against Manny. Besides which, I'm not certain I've ever seen a rubber match after one fighter has won both of the first two. Nor am I convinced this is a fight that can draw the kind of numbers Pacquiao deserves. I have as many problems as the next guy with PBF. He has a whole lot more to show me. But let's leave some of the hyperbole back where it was earned. With Manny. In the ring. Last Saturday. pc
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:27:21 PM
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Big Daddy's Just Sayin':
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@ Feroz: Manny didn't win both fights with JMM. Anyways, The FACT is Fraud should be fighting Sugar Shane or Paul Williams. He's been at Welter for nearly FOUR years and has YET to take on a bonafide Top 5 Welter.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:46:21 PM
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alex:
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The best pound for pound its back and want to get his titles back so hes gonna figth MARQUEZ then PACQUIAO then CALDERON an then ISRAEL VAZQUEZ . yea hes the best . oh can he has a tune up figth in between?? maybe ROBERTO DURAN at ww na i dont think so mayweather would be to scare to take a 71 years old manos de piedra... he woul ducked lol
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:46:44 PM
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AD:
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Mayweather will defeat Pacquiao in style. Big time.
The writer of this article and some of pac's fans just want to see Mayweather lose. Aint gonna happen. For your info Mayweather softened up Hatton and De la Loya for Pac to cherry pick.
Floyd Mayweather is the man. he will knock pac out.
Also has Calzaghe fought everyone? Hopkins was old yet Calzaghe had to resort to a low blow to "win." Why didn't Calzaghe face Chad Dawson and retired. Scared?
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:57:16 PM
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Saul:
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Great article Mr. Lotierzo, you hit the nail right on the head with this one.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:01:30 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Yo MisterLee, good stuff but be cautious on your vocabularies because some might think you're me. Dang it's slowing down at work again.:(
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:37:02 PM
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MisterLee:
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Nice #1 Pacfan! Hahah... that's funny. I will try to pay attention to my grammar more, but it's hard, when I'm excited I type and type and make mistakes :). AD! That's some flawed reasoning. Are you saying any fighter who has a loss has been softened up by their previous opponents? So manny was softened up 3 times, Marquez was softened up by Chris John? If that was the case, than mosley, bhop, and trinidad must have softened up de la hoya for mayweather! Fe'Roz, the question is not WOULD he fight Pavlik, it's COULD mayweather make a competitive bout with Pavlik or Abraham (he WAS top p4p king before , should be easy right? Don't underestimate the warrior! same propaganda for JMM. Cheers if he wins, but it's a crappy set up like the De La Hoya "Dream Match" massacre which bit the hand that fed it. Pc!)
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:56:30 PM
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boxing:
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floyd is not the man. how can he be? whats your case? is it because hes undefeated? has excellent defence and counter punching? does all that really matter when he still has proven so little? hes not the man at all. nweiz, yeah im counting on jmm on winning this cause hes the man. pacman's the man. those guys who try to prove sumthing, those guys are the man in boxing. floyd proves hes a good businessman, that is all. last tym i checked, were still talking about boxing.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:01:42 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yo AD, Calzaghe has fought more p4p'ers, big names in his division (old or not), and FHOF'ers than mayweather ever has. Mikel Kessler (who is on the p4p list and #1 supermiddlweight in the world), Jeff Lacy (who was a beast I heard, and I'm not from Britain, don't shoot me!), bhop, and Roy jones (i know jones sucks, but it was a risk nonetheless, and jones did have a moment in round1, and jones is a big name who's in his weight division). Speaking of Young Chad Dawson, here are some of the foes that have been to "Dawson's Creek": Adamek (his only loss, and current cruiserweight champion), Tarver, and Glen Johnson. Those are bigger names than all the King Hernandez and Jesus Chavez and Castillos on Mayweather's resume. Pc out!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:03:40 PM
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Peter Egley:
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What's wrong with The Sci-Fi Channel?
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:10:10 PM
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Eastar:
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Manny Wacman Paclowns last three fights were a big marketing tool to make him look better than he is. "This is fighting just to make the most money with the least risk so he can retire undefeated." So Floyd Money is gonna beat the man who beat the "man" twice. Marquez. Eastar I'm out.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:23:23 PM
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tomhorniv:
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Mayweather vs Marquez at 144 lbs is a ripoff!! So Oscar and Golden Boy are making the great Marquez fight at 9 lbs higher than he ever has before. Marquez would fight anybody at any weight for this paycheck but it still is another cherrypick by Floyd.Certainly fans of the great Mexican warriors see how Oscar treats the 36 year old Marquez!!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:23:40 PM
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Yuvie:
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Really, who cares for Floyd. Only a handful of people do. As I've said before, go ahead, fight the Pacquiao's and the Marquez's. It's obvious he takes those fights because he believes he can win easily, otherwise he wouldn't take them. Haters, say what you will about Pacquiao but if you said a year ago that this time next year, Pac would have beat Oscar & Hatton, you would have got some serious laughs. Pac and Marquez will continue to fight guys which people will consider them to be underdogs against. Marquez will be the underdog in the fight with Mayweather & Pac if he goes in against Cotto. When's the last time you can say that Mayweather has really challenged himself? It seems strange to me because I personally believe Mayweather can beat anyone at welterweight with the exception of Williams.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:50:10 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Mosely might, I say MIGHT beat Mayweather Jr. But Cotto and Margarito match-ups would be much more one-sided and anti-climactic than the author suggests. Those guys are too limited for a slick defensive fighter like PBF. The only thing Mayweather Jr. is afraid of is small paydays. One truth about boxing that a certain breed of angry fans just won't accept is that some fighters have flash and PPV value and others don't. Fights against both Cotto and Margo won't bring half the bank that Money vs. Manny will bring. But Mayweather just might outsmart himself if he takes on Manny. Ask Hatton if he thinks Saturday night was a "marketing tool".
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:04:41 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yuvie, agreed, tho I think mosley will give him a run for the money (no pun intended). Anyway, Eastar, here goes my theory of nemeses: they bring out the best and worst of even the best fighters. I believe every fighter has a nemesis, someone that will challenge them to the limit or even defeat in any kind of circumstance regardless of the skill or fame of the fighter. Who am I talking about? Muhammad Ali had one with Frazier. Ali killed the guy (Foreman) who downed frazier like 3 times in round 1. Ali then fought for his life in the 3rd fight. Mosley and Vernon Forrest. They were both undefeated I believe when they met, old Olympic rivals (Forrest got the better of him in an amateur match), and Forrest downed Mosley in the only time in his career two times. Forrest won the rematch too. Is forrest anywhere near as good or legendary as Mosley? NO!!! Bhop vs. Jermaine Taylor. Bhop had gone for more than 20 title defenses with his sole loss coming by a loss to Roy Jones in a crappy match. Jermaine wins twice, bhop goes and beats Tarver. Is Jermaine anywhere near Bhop's level? No!! Frazier-Foreman. Frazier is one of the most accomplished heavyweights of all time, Foreman downed endless times in their two match ups. Foreman was Frazier's nemesis, his kyptonite. Now back to modern day, Marquez, for sure a FOHF'er (future hall of famer), is definitely Pacquiao's kyptonite. The one guy that can make Pacquiao's flaws apparent, that can make Pacquiao work for his money, that can counter anything and everything that Pacquiao can throw. Does it make Marquez an equal fighter and capable of everything and anything Pacquiao can accomplish? No!!! Marquez is a FOHF'er in his own right, and legendary status wise is a notch down from Pacquiao, he's FOHF'er, but def not a GOAT for sure. Manny is on his way to becoming a TGOAT, not just an AGOAT (greatest of all time). Because of this nemesis, I'm gonna go back and objectively looking at the matchup, Marquez cannot bring power up in welterweight division even tho Manny can and did, Floyd will have the power in the matchup and speed, and marquez going up to welterweight is equal to Mayweather going up to middleweight and fighting Pavlik. BOOM. Done (putta fork in it baby!!!)
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:08:23 PM
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MisterLee:
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Frazier-Foreman. Frazier is one of the most accomplished heavyweights of all time, Foreman downed HIM endless times in their two match ups. Foreman was Frazier's nemesis, his kyptonite.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:11:17 PM
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The Good Doctor:
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I will put it out there like this. I believe Floyd is very talented, probably more talented than anyone else in any weight class. The problem here is, no one really knows how good Floyd is. Great fighters are made great by either beating great fighters or absolutely dominating their competition time in and time out. Up until this point Floyd has done neither. He does have a chance to put a notch in his belt by beating Marquez and I think he will. If he dominates Marquez, this article begins to crack somewhat as Marquez is a great fighter be it a smaller man than Floyd. Unfortunately Floyd has painted a picture of a guy who picks on smaller guys or guys who are washed up. Now if he beats JMM, then Pac and for good measure Cotto, Shane, Clottey, Paul (if he can make 147) or even Margacheato then he erases all doubt. However, up until now, he has had a distinct advatnage in size over just about evryone he has fought. When you are 5' 8" with a 74 inch reach, you are huge for someone between 130 and 160 and if you want to be defined as great you should fight great fighters who are your size like the ones mentioned above. The one guy who was his size Castillo, gave him fits. I like Floyd but unitl this point, his resume is suspect.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:19:01 PM
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Big Daddy Prefers Quality Over Quantity Unlike..:
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Damn!?, Mr.Lee.. Now you're even quoting yourself. I'll wait for the Cliff Notes version of your posts, before I comment on them..LOL
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:22:12 PM
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Adrian :
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You claim to be a boxing fan, but I'm not convinced. Floyd is one of the bes pound for pound fighters period. He has neevr ran from a challenge: Corrales, Castillo, Hatton, Zab Judah, De La Hoya... Do I need to keep listing all the greats he has defeated. Boxing's "Sweat Science". is all about hit and not get hit, so you should educate yourself with that... Both Pac-Man and Mayweather are pound for pound best, and seeing them fight will be like watching Lenord vs Hearns!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:20:52 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yo Good doctor! I agree with almost everything you said! Pc out!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:32:00 PM
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thegreatestofalltime10:
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I agree with this article whole heartedly. I'm a Mayweather fan. But, I have been saying that if Mayweather would have fought the guys that where considered a threat in his division and beat them all, we can crown put him right up there with Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali. I'm talking about the likes of Miguel Cotto (Before the Margarito fight), Antonio Margarito (Before Sugar Shane fight), Sugar Shane Mosley, Kermit Cintron (When he was undefeated), Joshua Clottey, Paul Williams, and now a Andre Berto. This division is loaded and in my opinion, a division that would have taken Mayweather Jr. too the top 3 fighter of all time, granted that he beat all of them. This is what great fighters do. Muhammad Ali did it, Sugar Ray Robinson did it, Joe Louis did it, Thomas Hearns did it, Sugar Ray Leonard (Although he avoided Aaron Pryor) did it. I'm not going to make no excuses for Floyd Mayweather Jr.. He has the abilities and skills to be great. But, you cannot define your greatness when you won't fight the greatest fighters in your weight class. Paul Williams started his career at 147. It doesn't matter that he is 6'3. He has to come and weight in at 147. Does anyone think that a prime Mike Tyson would have ran away from the Klitchko Brothers, just because they tower him in height. No! Floyd MAyweather shouldn't do the same when he is in his prime. So, I'm speaking for the Mayweather fans that refuse to make an excuse for him. If you doesn't feel that he is a 147lb fighter, than he needs to go back to fighting at 135 and 140, then we will give him a pass for not fighting people in the 147lb division. Like Lotierzo said, Sugar Shane Mosley started his career at 135lbs. and fought every opponent that was available in his division. In my eyes, I rank Sugar Shane Moesley ahead of Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the All-time great talk because of the strength of schedule.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:35:26 PM
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thegreatestofalltime10:
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The Good Doctor, great response but Floyd Mayweather Jr. did knock out a prime and undefeated Diego Corralles when they fought at 135lbs. Coralles was 5'11 but he hasn't fought a guy that was bigger since then, besides Oscar De La Hoya, who was a part time fighter.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:39:53 PM
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Nice one thegreatestofalltime10, I agree with everything you said, except the fact that Cotto lost and Margarito lost (even tho Marg is irrelevant) doesn't make them less viable opponents for Mayweather. Cotto could still knock anyone into La-La Land. Still haven't heard from any Floyd fans if he can move up and fight Pavlik at 160?
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:44:25 PM
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It's amazing that cowards can get so much hype. For that is what Mayweather is... the man ducks fighters capable of beating him. Odh said it best when he said, "I may have losses on my record, but unlike Floyd, I took every challenge. Floyd's afraid to take risks." Floyd has been afraid to take risks and for that reason should not even consider himself in the same class as Pac, who has taken on everybody. That is sign of greatness. They will fight and Pac will beat Mayweather. And finally everyone will see what true greatness is about. It's only a matter of time. Stay tuned, y'all.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:50:24 PM
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r u kidding me:
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way too much MAYWEATHER HATING in this article. DeLaHoya and Hatton were both bigger than Pacman and the both lost. Fighters move around in weight all the time so whats the big deal. Floyd came up from about three whole weight classes down from welter but no one was condemning the guys he fought on the way up when he was lighter. Not to mention tha Juan Manuel Marquez whom i personally love aas a boxer practically begged for this fight. No one seems to remember when Mosely was ducking Floyd. When Floyd was the young boy on the rise he called out Shane all the time to no avail, now as soon as PBF retires he calls him out....what a joke. PBF should fight Cintron,Cotto,Berto, and Pacman but not Shane....Shane missed his chance. They were in the same divisions for a while and he didnt want it. Even before the the PBF vs ODH fight PBF requested a fight with Shane first and Shane said fight Oscar first, PBF fired back "why beat your boss then fight you?" it makes no sense. Listen i can understand if you like the humble fighter...ok ok so PBF isn't your personality type, fine, but give the man his credit for whuppin the champs and taking the throne in 5 different weight classes and doing without gettin a blemish on his face or his record. And he does have KO's as well. When was the last time you saw Floyd actually hurt?? or in trouble??? People come on!!! The website you're on now is called "THE SWEET SCIENCE" which refers to boxing(not brawling) which refers to hitting and not getting hit!!! and PBF is the best at it, period. PBF could fight all the guys you want him to fight and he will win but the sad part about is that when he does win....deep down inside you and I know that excuses will be made for why he won, just like all of his other victories. ALI TALKED WAY MORE TRASH AND TOOK IT PAST THE LIMIT OF WHAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS BUT EVERYONE FORGAVE HIM FOR IT. MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE TIMES OF RACISM AND WHAT HE DID OUT OF THE RING ALLOWED YOU TO FORGIVE HIM FOR HIS HURTFUL WORDS. BUT THATS WRONG. IT SHOULD BE WHATS DONE IN THE RING. ALL FLOYD SAYS IS THAT IM THE BEST AND I'LL WIN AND HE IS AND HE DOES. IF COTTO SAYS FLOYD'S NAME COTTO FIGHTS FLOYD ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. But you do have to have some type of name for the man to fight you, he is the pound 4pound king. The only person i see as a threat to PBF is Paul Williams.......who is not a welterweight by any means of the word, he 100% a middleweight period.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 05:41:21 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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ONE THING TO SAY, BY THE TIME FLOYD RETIRES FOR REAL YOU WILL ALL BE PROVED WRONG AND YOU WILL BE SORRY THAT YOU MISSED YOUR CHANCE TO ENJOY A MODERN DAY GREATS CAREER BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY CRITICISING... MARK MY WORDS...
Tuesday May 5, 2009 05:49:10 PM
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MEgarodon:
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Thats really the truth, and I believe ALL smart boxing fans know that. Its not a stretch to say Mayweather possesses the skills to be great, really great, but it IS a stretch to call him trully great at this point. Like every great fighter before him, he needs to prove it in the ring,
Tuesday May 5, 2009 05:59:53 PM
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ali:
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SchoolofHardKnocks: Where you at I need to here some of that boxing 101 from you. Mayweather is bad for boxing are you kidding he retired and all people can talk about is Mayweather. People bring him up when the articles ain't even about him and he's still a bigger draw than Pac here's the proof who did better ppv numbers when the fought Osar. This is boxing hit and not be hit is the goal and who does that better that Mayweather nobody. You guys must hate watching all time greats like Willie Pep, Sweet Pee, Ali, Sugar Ray Leanard, it the sweet science you Mayweather hater need to learn to appreciate his greatness cause he's magical.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:05:59 PM
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ali:
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Hey is there's another Ali writing on this site let me know so people can get this straight out
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:26:44 PM
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Musang:
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Mayweather will never be great. Pacquiao is already GREAT, the GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:35:40 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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Say what you will, but the man is back. Obviously, he understands his need to prove (in his mind once again) that he is the real P4P king. He has our attention. Let's see what he does with it.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:33:19 PM
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brownsugar:
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another Mayweather Rant,.. masquerading as an article,.. cluttered with all the venom and bias you would expect,.. and drawing out a legion of haters like rotten meat attracts flies and maggots,. I won't spend anytime defending the man that has up till now, ..perfected the best defense in boxing,.. and has synthesized one of the most pure boxing styles the sweet science has ever known,.. I think Fe'Roz says it best ...." he has our attention,.. Lets see what he does with it"...
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:02:14 PM
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Theboyb901:
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To Musang: How is Pacquiao already great?
Floyd will fight Pacquiao in his prime because the money is there!
This is the order: JMM, Pacquiao, and 2 more people, retire! I don't think anyone at welterweight should give Paul Willy a fight and I don't think Cotto will ever get a shot, because he doesn't really want one. His fans want to see the fight and Cotto doesn't even want to talk about it.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:10:33 PM
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Musang:
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Yep... the best defense in boxing... avoid all legitimate opponents.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:24:53 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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@Fistic, We are all the same critics who watch this guy cherrypicked his opponents. If you read all these comments we all totally agree that he has great talents but he just don't fight the right opponents. Marquez was a good choice but not the best choice to anounce that he is coming back to fight the best right off the bat. I'm still up for labeling the guy OGOAT(one of the greatest of all time) but not thee GOAT(Greatest of all time) because he waited too long on the sideline to watch these guys(Cotto, Mosley, Margarito) beat each others brains out. BUT if one of the three can prove to dominate one another then we're talking. Say Cotto fights Margarito again(he already beat Mosley) and beats him and then he's the dominant in the division(but must get by Clottey). If Mosley fights Cotto(he already beat Marg) and beats him in the rematch then he's the superior welterweight. If Margarito fights(first check the handwraps) Mosley again(he already beat Cotto) and beats him in the rematch etc. etc. The three must redeem each guys lost to be the dominant one. I will be the first to say the he is the GOAT if he faced one the three who become the dominant welterweight before facing May Jr. I'm a critic not a hater.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:27:54 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Ali, all those greats you mentioned faced THE BEST THE SPORT HAD TO OFFER. Those guys fought for glory not for money. Sugar Ray Leonard(was my all-time fighter) was getting criticized for avoiding Hagler but he later shut his critics up by fighting him. May hasn't shut his critics up yet and why is that? You can figure that out.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:36:35 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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The TSS's regulars really post up some real good points on here.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:41:28 PM
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Trooper:
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The contrast between Pacman and Moneyweather is this: Pacman punches above his weight, Moneyweather loves to kick around the little guys.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:00:30 PM
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ali:
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#1Pacfan don't worry about nothing he's going to show you that he's not scared to fight any one and that he will beat everyone. Its about making money too this is the hurt business and ain't no retirement money waiting for you when you hang up your gloves. Now you think if Mayweather would have still been at 130 when Pac moved up he would'nt have already fought him or do you think he would have been scared be truthful.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:24:02 PM
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ali:
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Mister Lee you make good points and you know your boxing but when you said Pac has better defense than Mayweather that was the craziest comment I've ever heard you make you know ain't no way in hell thats true its not even close.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:31:02 PM
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dino da vinci:
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Wow Frank! You evidently hit all the right buttons if getting a reaction was your intention. Also must mention the tremendous amount of insightful, well thought out responses you received. Those who know me know I admire the subtle nuances of a masters' work, a Willie Pep for example. I appreciate Floyd. And Floyd IS definitely special. For Floyd Jr. to have been listed amongst the all-time greats would have required no shortage of top tier challengers...and that's the shame of it all! There was no shortage! Floyd had enough quality opponents to accomplish it, but for whatever reason, he chose not to engage them. (see Roy Jones, Jr.) I constantly hear Floyd should have fought this guy or Floyd should have fought that guy. Wrong! Floyd should have fought this guy AND that guy! And when warranted, on MORE than one occasion! Now I fear that window is closing much too fast for him to climb through. Even if he defeats JMM, (Who I love), then gets by the Pacster (Who I love), he better add a bunch of comparable names in a hurry to qualify. People...and it's evident we have some above-average opinions checking in here, this sport of boxing that we so admire, has produced NUMEROUS beasts! Much too numerous to mention here. This sport didn't just come into existence two years ago. With all respect to Floyd (Who I've met) and Manny (Who I met), it would be a most difficult argument to win comparing accomplishments against the previously mentioned Pep (Who I met), Ali (who I met) and "Sugar" Ray (either one, and who I have not) to name a few. And before you all start quoting Bob Arum per his Manny comment, I believe Mr. Arum was caught up in the moment. If not, he has a lot of explaining to do.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:17:50 PM
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Real Talk :
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I'm glad Mayweather is back . WELCOME BACK CHAMP !!! People say he runs , but he when he fought Oscar he dominated the fight in the center of the ring . Dueces
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:23:24 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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Ali, You are right. Neither Pacquiao nor JMM have defensive skills comparible to Floyd. Any one who believes that is living in a fool's paradise. One reason Manny and JMM had memorable fights is because the get hit a lot....and hit back. Floyd rarely gets hit flush. No other boxer today can make that claim.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:29:05 PM
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For the Author that must have forgot, when Floyd was at 140 he challenged Cotto and Hatton. When he was at 147 he challenged Mosley, the only person he didn't challenge was Margarito. The reason he didn't was maybe money or he didn't like the style match up, only Mayweather really knows. The hater need to give it a break please.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:33:08 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Can someone tell me why Mayweather opted to fight Margarito for millions of dollars but instead took on Carlos Baldomir for much less? Why did Marquez price himself out of a rematch with Pacquiao and instead took on Chris John for 30k when he could have made more that 300k?
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:50:08 PM
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DOUBLE STANDARD!!:
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CAN SOMEONE MAINLY THIS WRITER PLEASE TELL ME WHY PAC BECOMES #1 BY BEATING HATTON AND OSCAR AFTER FLOYD DID SO AND THEN FLOYD HOPS BACK IN THE POOL AGAINST THE TOUGHEST OF OPPOENNTS IN MARQUEZ WHO GAVE PAC THE 2 TOUGHEST RUNS OF HIS LIFE AND U SAY FLOD CHERRY PICKS AND IS A GREAT MANAGER??? IF IT WAS PAC NOT FLOYD AND HE WAS FIGHTING MARQUEZ A 3RD TIME HE WOULD BE A GOD BUT FLOYD FIGHTS THIS TOUGH COME BACK FIGHT AND U DUDES HATE, HYPERCRITES!!! WHEN FLOYD SPANKS PACMAN I WANNA HEAR THE EXCUSES
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:01:58 PM
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coico:
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No one can ever defeat a god and pacman is a god!!!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:09:51 PM
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fil-duran:
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there is only one thing i can fully admire is the comparison of Manny his humility and rise to greatest & mayweather ob·noxious·ness they where quoted as saying...
“I know I can improve my skills as a boxer,” Pacquiao said in an interview with Filipino television. “I am very pleased to have beaten Ricky Hatton but I think I can still get better. How much better, I don’t know.”
"Somebody has got to keep the sport up and running, Mayweather said, "so why not me?"
with these you will know someone who is great...they will be known by their words...even without mayweather...boxing is up and running
p.s. in a recent poll in espn "who is the best pound 4 pound vote"
it only shows that people are going to pacland than in mayweather land...mayweather is starting to fade away
it is the rise of PACMAN'S era
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:16:45 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG - L.A. is d place 2 b, U can get your party on w/P4P great Manny :
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Hate Money May all you will. He is at the top still. And he will make Marquez kneel. The game is all about having dash, and bringing the fight fans running with cash. It is all about the pay, then you play. The heck with what the diehards say. They are full of rhetorical flash, but no cash. A lot of them have not ever been in the ring. Or they would know, nowadays, it is all about getting the blink, blink! The elite boxers of this day and time are no longer slow up in the head. On their careers, they will get the edge. They are now, thanks to heaven, about control their own fate. For the fans, just keep paying your money and talking smack. You need to vent for your obsession. And the Media, just keep your credentials in good order, so you can keep getting free access. Holla!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:18:59 PM
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losers out:
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Mayweather has always been scared to lose, so he has opted to take easy fights. If he believes he is the best, take on Paul Williams. Never. he's as scared now as he was when he left the sport.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:29:58 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG @ #1PacFan:
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Mayweather made more money against Baldomir than Arum was willing to pay him to beat down Margahero, which Money May would have done, as Sugar Shane showed the world. And Marquez fought John for $30, 000, not $300,000. Holla!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:37:23 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King':
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Double Standard, Pacquiao was already regarded as the #1 P4P after destroying Morales and that's when Floyd was still cherrypicking. All the other wins after that was just to seal and secure his status for all the non-believers. But look now, he is look as one of the greatest of all time.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:41:42 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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I did say 30k, i said he would have made more than 300k if he accepted the rematch. Shane has power in his punches Mayweather don't. Maybe he would have beaten Marg but the point is he didn't want none of that.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:47:41 PM
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fil-duran:
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Radam G aka Humble PRG - sounds like the poet mayweather sr. hehehe
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:50:46 PM
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ali:
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#1Pacfan no he was'nt regarded #1 pound for pound until Mayweather retired every body knows that see this is what im talking about you like Pac so much that you don't state the facts. Come on is there any other Pac fan out there that really believe that.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:55:58 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG:
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Mayweather would have kayoed Margarito quicker than Mosley. Don't believe for a minute that Money May cannot bang. Holla!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:56:41 PM
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boyarate:
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floyd is special. He IS special. but i dont understand why people call him great or 'the real p4p number 1'. what great thing has he accomplished? some people provided valid points for his haters. but i still cant say hes great because it was he who called out mosley, he fought bigger guys when he was in the lower wieghts, hes defense is the best, hes undefeated going through 5 divisions, hes the best at the 'sweet science'.... blah blah blah. all those things means nothing cause hes afraid to prove he can really beat guys that people say 'can beat him'. fact of the matter is, u can say hes the best in the 'sweet science' but ul never really know for sure. fact of the matter is, hes doing boxing for business, not to prove hes great. so for me, he is NOT great. and lastly, if hes the best at the 'sweet science' (as people say), why is he still doing little experiments? till i see that, he still hasnt won the nobel prize. what a waste.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:11:31 AM
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it is an age where prizefighters (mayweather jr.) are looking for the easiest way to the biggest prize....but PACMAN who is just facing every obstacle & every critic with a big smile in his face while walking the ring after knocking out the opponent (hitman) would only say after the fight..."just doing my job" and asked who will be the next one to be fought would only say again "it's up to my promoters i will give my best for my country and boxing fan" and just thinking about the impossible if his promoters would say how about fighting in the middleweight class? i really think PACMAN would be training 100% for that fight "win or lose" that is the biggest difference between PACMAN and mayweather -pacman has the biggest heart and mayweather got the biggest head in boxing
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:12:44 AM
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To SKEE FRANCHISE: there is indeed no problem with Mayweather being smart and waiting for other people to get a shot at him. The problems is, he is very busy calling himself the best fighter in the world eventhough he constantly ducks the best fighters out there. If you want to be the best, you must beat the best. Also, great fighters are not afraid to take risks. Floyd Jr. is just not that kind of boxer.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:17:19 AM
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boyarate:
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floyd is special. He IS special. but i dont understand why people call him great or 'the real p4p number 1'. what great thing has he accomplished? some people provided valid points for his haters. but i still cant say hes great because it was he who called out mosley, he fought bigger guys when he was in the lower wieghts, hes defense is the best, hes undefeated going through 5 divisions, hes the best at the 'sweet science'.... blah blah blah. all those things means nothing cause hes afraid to prove he can really beat guys that people say 'can beat him'. fact of the matter is, u can say hes the best in the 'sweet science' but ul never really know for sure. fact of the matter is, hes doing boxing for business, not to prove hes great. so for me, he is NOT great. and lastly, if hes the best at the 'sweet science' (as people say), why is he still doing little experiments? till i see that, he still hasnt won the nobel prize. what a waste.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:17:53 AM
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Ali, those are facts most of the experts wanted to correct after witnessing Mayweather not taking his career to the next level. I was saying that there was contraversy about who really deserves that #1 spot.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:18:38 AM
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fil-duran:
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it is an age where prizefighters (mayweather jr.) are looking for the easiest way to the biggest prize....but PACMAN who is just facing every obstacle & every critic with a big smile in his face while walking the ring after knocking out the opponent (hitman) would only say after the fight..."just doing my job" and asked who will be the next one to be fought would only say again "it's up to my promoters i will give my best for my country and boxing fan" and just thinking about the impossible if his promoters would say how about fighting in the middleweight class? i really think PACMAN would be training 100% for that fight "win or lose" that is the biggest difference between PACMAN and mayweather -pacman has the biggest heart and mayweather got the biggest head in boxing
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:20:19 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Most experts saw Mayweather's P4P status slipping while Manny was winning his bouts with impressive passion and leaping through the rankings.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:23:07 AM
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fil-duran:
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it is an age where prizefighters (mayweather jr.) are looking for the easiest way to the biggest prize....but PACMAN who is just facing every obstacle & every critic with a big smile in his face while walking the ring after knocking out the opponent (hitman) would only say after the fight..."just doing my job" and asked who will be the next one to be fought would only say again "it's up to my promoters i will give my best for my country and boxing fan" and just thinking about the impossible if his promoters would say how about fighting in the middleweight class? i really think PACMAN would be training 100% for that fight "win or lose" that is the biggest difference between PACMAN and mayweather -pacman has the biggest heart and mayweather got the biggest head in boxing
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:31:40 AM
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i've been reading the articles here for awhile now and this one in particular has sparked me to respond. F. lo i understand your beef with floyd but at the end of the day he fights for a living, not types or does interviews. Guys are trying to take his head off at his job and be honest with yourself if you were in his shoes you would do the same thing(fight for the most money and least risk). I don't knock him i just appreciate his skills, i advise you to do the same. Holla Back!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 01:59:49 AM
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fil-duran:
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the mayweather is fading fast away and pacman's storm is coming it's way raising havoc in the welterweights from the lower weights..oh i can't wait till he busted pretty boy's face... i will love to see pretty boy's face when he reads the comments of this page. we want to see the rage of pretty boy to fire up your heart to face "MP the great" maybe this will be the reason for you not to run around the ring and face MP's hands meet him center in the ring and then see the mirror of your busted face... oh cheer up you can pay now the IRS and you can keep the change...
Wednesday May 6, 2009 02:40:25 AM
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Pacman started his pro career at 106 lbs, Floyd started at 130 lbs. Pac moved up to 147 lbs to fight De La Hoya. Looking at the percentage leap in weight that's about 38%. If Floyd were to do the same, he should be taking on guys that weigh around 180 lbs. that's lightweight, i'd like to see him do that and get knocked the h*ll out.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 05:12:58 AM
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ali:
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Manny was moving up but there was never a debate about who was #1 but you know what we about to find out. I already know and you will soon enough I don't want to here any excuses and im damn sure not going to give none if Pac wins.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 07:51:33 AM
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There was never any arguement as to ho reigned supreme as P4P King after Mayweather stopped Hatton. Let's try to not to revise history. Manny deserves our recognitionfor this title Now...but P4P King is an intangible and a moving target. Let's keep an open mind. I will agin repat for the TSS record, I'm no Mayweather Fanatic, but his haters are going to be eating a whole lot of Mr. Lee' not-so-delicious and always-bony Crow. Sure enough...and soon enough.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 07:58:49 AM
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F-Lo is NOT being very objective about the situation...I agree he always doesn't seek out the best challenges, but If he beats Marquez and PacMan and you don't give him his sue as a Great...then you are a HATER! Pac-Man and Floyd has two different styles, Manny is a blazing southpaw whirlwind, while floyd is a methodical defensive wizard, Manny gets you out of there, while Floyd takes his time, adjust and breaks you down...I agree his not that creative offensively, that's mainly why he plays "D" so much...but you have to give him credit for knowing his strengths and weakenesses...I don't think Cotto or Shane Will beat him, but I want to see him take on Marquez, PacMan, Shane/Cotto, and a 154lb titlist before he rides off into sunset! When It's all said and done he won't be the G.O.A.T., but I believe he will be looked @ as a ALL-Time Great Fighter...but then again all that is Relative...and people like F-LO will say Marquez was too small, Manny was small and over-rated, and Mosley, was old and never that good of a technician anyway ; O
Wednesday May 6, 2009 08:41:53 AM
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to sum up some of my points, mayweather is special, but not great. mayweather was once the p4p king, but didnt really solidify his claim. based on pacquiao's start in his p4p reign, mayweather's really falls short and is far too unimpressive. mayweather has all the skills to prove hes one of boxing history's greats. mayweather did good in agreeing to fyt marquez, and its going to be an amazing fyt just because both have sumthing to prove and a lot to loose. if i were to chose sides though, id choose marquez just because he has more heart. mayweather seriously needs to improve on that. and lastly, fyt between pacquiao and marquez/mayweather would just be nothing less than a dream come true.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 10:00:47 AM
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Pachachis:
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Well thought out article, congrats
Wednesday May 6, 2009 10:07:32 AM
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sweetscifan, if you read this article carefully F-Lo is appreciating his skills but not his acomplishments. @Ali & Fe'Roz, if you really believe that there was no argument as to who really deserved that #1 P4P spot back in 06 and 07 then you must not have been reading much articles then. I can name a lot of sites that were pro-Mayweather and anti-Pacfans that were starting to realize May is taking the easy way out. I want to add something here, MOST OF YOU CRITICISED OSCAR FOR TAKING ON A SMALLER FIGHTER IN PACQUIAO. BUT NOBODY CRITICISED FLOYD FOR CHOOSING HATTON WHO IS SHORTER THAN PACQUIAO(BY HALF AN INCH), AND YOU THINK THAT SOLIDIFIES HIS P4P STATUS?
Wednesday May 6, 2009 11:20:17 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG:
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Some people are in deep self-denial. Money May is unique. All these nuthuggers of yesteryears ought to stop. You are either psychologically and emotionally blind or just fronting. It is no way that you can watch Sugar Ray Robinson on film and don't see umpteen flaws. Maybe you guys should keep the distant past behind you like your a$$es -- because you are wiping out some serious $hit about that time. You guys have an inability to be objective. Money May could have beat SSR like a few other boxers did -- but got bad decisions, or beatdown the Sugarman in sparring, but got no fight because SSR draw the "colorline." Back in those days "colored" champions dodged other "coloreds" just as much as white fighters did. SSR ducked "coloreds" like the plague. (And there are some old fart around that will tell you that. I'm even sure that Boxing Historian Sugar Bert would confirm that.) Will somebody quit trying to be the clean-up crew. Tell the truth about yesteryears. Even during reason years, Black and white fighters ducked the heck out of Marvelous Marvin Hagler. This was going on in the 1970s and 1980s. And if it happened then, you'd be very naive to think that it didn't occur in the 1900s through 1960s. Holla!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 11:43:17 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG @ #1PacFan:
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Height is not what one is talking about in boxing, when they talk about size. They are talking about body-mass side. Joe Frazier's -- at 5'9 1/2, but listed at 5'11 1/2 -- thighs were biggers than most of his opponents' waist. Same with Mike Tyson, at 5'9 but listed at 5'11 1/2. It is a part of the game for the promoters and media to lie about fighters' height. In reality Manny is 5'5 1/2 and Ricky is a hair below 5'5. Mayweather is barely touching 5'7, but he is always listed at 5'8 to 5'8 1/2. Don't be the hype, and don't believe the height. Big ole fat Samuel Peters is about 5'10 1/2, but he is listed at 6 foot. The media and the talking heads make a lot to do about nothing about height. Height means little to the hurt man of this game. Trust me! Paul Williams is lucky that he can only draw flies or Money Man and even Manny would knock him into tomorrow. And it is all about the MONEY. Holla!Holla!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 11:58:50 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG:
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I'm coming to the conclusion that Money May would beat all these welterweight easily. The only fighter that would give him a war at welterweight, and has a chance to beat hime is Manny "PacMan" Pacquiao! YUP! I said it! But at a catchweight, Manny would definitely put a Golden (stupid) Boy beatdown on a weakened Money May. Oscar must be the stupidest boxer of all times to do what he did. Money May wouldn't do that -- I hope these are not my "last famous words" -- $hit. It will give himself a chance to win, while getting paid righteously. Holla!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:10:20 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG:
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*He will give himself a chance to win, while getting paid righteously. Holla!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:14:04 PM
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Frank Lotierzo why don't you tell all of the story! Here is what actually happened!
The point at which Mayweather passionately pursued a Sugar Shane showdown was in 2006, when Mosley scored back-to-back stoppage wins over Fernando Vargas, both at junior middleweight. Mosley was a mere 3-4-0-1 NC over a four-year stretch prior to 2006 and hardly on Mayweather’s mind at the time. It wasn’t until there was genuine worth in such a fight did he begin to pursue it.
Plans for such a match were eventually squashed when Mosley cited a toothache as cause to sit out the rest of 2006. Talks resurfaced in 2007, but two different bouts were instead made – Mayweather-Hatton and Cotto-Mosley.
Fast forward to 2009. Mosley destroys Antonio Margarito and is once again regarded as the best welterweight in the world. Rumors were already swirling of a Mayweather comeback.
Mosley-Mayweather, mid-2009. Sounds like a plan, right?
Not so fast.
Instead, it was Mosley who went on record for anyone who would listen that a Mayweather fight didn’t interest him anywhere nearly as much as enticing either Pacquiao or Hatton to move up in weight. If that couldn’t happen, then perhaps a rematch with Cotto, provided that it takes place on the West Coast.
Mayweather? Mosley instead played Golden Boy stakeholder and campaigned for Marquez to land that fight.
In that vein, Mosley actually received his wish, or at least part of it. His guy received the fight of his dreams, leaving Shane free and clear to negotiate a fight with Pacquiao.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:16:20 PM
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shane wouldv'e fought mayweather without hesitation if floyd was still p4p king, can't knock him for going for the bigger fish =P
Wednesday May 6, 2009 12:53:18 PM
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@Radam, I would have to disagree with you on the fact that you say May can clean up that welterweight division. The truth is Mosley is the MAN in that division and it's he who i fear Manny fighting. But you know Manny he'll fight anybody. Mosley would beat Mayweather so easily.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 01:45:17 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG@aking kababayan #1 PacFan:
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Wow! #1 PacFan, have no fear. Styles make fights. Mosley could not beat Money May or Pera Pac. Money May would box and bust him up -- Vernon "The Viper" Forrest way. And PacMan is not a welterweight, but he'd be the first boxer to stop Mosley. If you think that converted southpaw, lite-punching Winky Wright did a job on the Sugarman back in the day, you have not seen anything, YET! PacMan's snap, crackle and pop have increased with his weight gain. (Dude has been kayoing middleweights and light heavyweights in sparring section with 16oz gloves on. Pretty soon, Team Pac will be using 20oz ones, or Manny may not be able to get elite fighters to take the risk of sparring with him.) And his speed is even more blinding. Trust me, Mosley's chances of beating PacMan is few and far. And both of those suckas are betting on Manny. Holla!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 02:00:17 PM
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Musang! You're right, Floyd does have great defense! Dino Da Vinci, your insights are spot on, you and In touch and ultimoshogun (i've named others, but for now) have always been spot on with your insights, and Yuvie too, no lie! :) Let's see... I'm gonna go on record here, and say it, pple are gonna hate me, the haters, posers, fronters, goofers, liars, n-huggers gonna go nuts, but I'm gonna say it, Manny Pacquiao right now, in 2009 has BETTER defense than Floyd Mayweather. How do I say that? How can I POSSIBLY say such blasphemy. Here's the perspective: if this were a shoulder roll competition Floyd would win. If this were a catcher's mitt competition, who can catch the most punches? Floyd would win. But as we know, the Sweet Science has more than once type of defense. If we ask, who has faster foot speed? Manny has it. Who is better at lateral movement on the feet? Manny. Who can slip and then pivot and turn an opponent? Manny. Floyd is better at rolling with punches, Manny has that good erratic side to side head movement. Manny keeps his hands up and blocks head punches with his gloves by his head, Floyd turns coils and rolls with punches and catches, Manny's in and out style finds it hard for opponents to catch, by the time an opponent is hit, Manny has already turned them and has moved 2 ft away, Floyd is easy to with the feet, he is right there ready to engage, he moves straight back on his feet rather than angles, his lateral movement is average since he doesn't bounce on his toes (he has light footwork to move around, but he doesn't bounce), BUT, Floyd compensates by being untouchable from the waist up, when his opponents finds him with their feet, their hands cannot touch him, his waist turns, rolling, catching, posturing is just too slick. Okay, another defensive weapon, the JAB. Manny uses it plenty of times, tho not in the hatton fight (i guess pot shotting and countering is the only way to beat him b/c that's what they Manny and Floyd did to beat him), Floyd doesn't depend on his jab (he depends on his reflexes, quickness and counter). In addition, sometimes the best defense is offense, and Manny has got that down to an art. We've both seen BOTH combatants take on the same opponents. Let's forget the whole weight drained oscar for a moment and look: in the Oscar fight, oscar was more than able to find Floyd's body, and he got some head shots with a right hook over floyd's lower left hand (a hole in the shoulder roll). Oscar lost by a narrow decision. With Pacquiao, Oscar only landed a handful of body shots, but did not touch Manny's head, he was too fast! Hatton fight, Hatton had MANNY moments with Floyd, and made him uncomfortable Floyd was not given the space to operate all the time, and his moving back in a straightline, and sitting on the ropes just got him hit in the body agst the ropes. Even tho compubox had Hatton hitting him only 11/54, the momentum on video doesn't look that way. Hatton fight, Manny remained untouched. Hattons only moment was in the last minute and half of 2nd round with a hard right hand to the face and then a straight left to the face. Hatton did not get any good body shots on Manny, tho he punched Manny 18/73 punches on compubox, he had no momentum, and again, the best defense is a good offense, if you knock a guy down twice in round 1, there are fewere chances the guy is gonna have moments across 10 rounds (floyd), so my conclusion, to the wild hysterical crazy chagrin of the Mayweather Fan Club (population: 3) , is that Manny not only is too fast for any opponent over 130, but that he has BETTER DEFENSE than Floyd at this point in his career. Eat it guys :). Fistic Fury, Ali, Real Talk (fence sitter), Fe'Roz moderate, Brown sugar (angry at lack of objectivity of this article even tho no one complained about George Toledo's touching monument and farewell to Hatton), I respect all of your boxing knowledge and opinions, but I gotta disagree here on the Mayweather issue. Just because a fighter is more defensive minded (mayweather, Winky) doesn't always make them the only defensive fighter on the block (look at Pacquiao and williams, Juan Ma Lopez), sometimes offense is the best defense. Points and fights are not always won by how many punches you can catch. Piece out! :) (cowers from all the pies that are coming his way...)
Wednesday May 6, 2009 02:04:46 PM
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If mayweather fans don't feel the TSS is respecting Mayweather enough, back track and look up Gregory Toledo's Blueprint to Beat Floyd Mayweather article (click on his name on the right column to find it) parts 1 & 2. There you'll find all the angles you can find about Floyd's abilities, capabilities, small flaws, and such. Those articles should be an ode to Floyd. They were masterpieces in this mediocre, opinionated, mouth-offed, hysterical roundtable we sometimes sit down on (including myself :). Pc out! :)
Wednesday May 6, 2009 02:23:51 PM
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Smiley C:
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Man! MisterLee, I told you to write a bible. Fo' sure!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 02:26:32 PM
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MisterLee:
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On second thought, you know a guy who is tailor made to fight Mayweather was Margarito. He had a granite chin, a high work rate, and pressures like no other. Even take away the hand wraps, there's no way Mayweather can slow him down. To beat Margarito you have to take him to the body, even tho Mayweahter punches as hard as Shane, his hands are too brittle to go to Marg's body to slow him, and he doesn't have the work rate to hurt Margarito. What do you guys think of Mayweather vs. Clottey? Clottey has excellent defense also, he can take anyone's best punch, but can he catch floyd? Pc out!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 02:34:42 PM
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all u ppl STOP HATING ON FLOYD MAYWEATHER....wen it comes to him yall always find something wrong to say about him.....and floyd mayweather would absolutely slaughter margartio and cotto.....margarito from the way he got dominated against sugar shane mosely was so overrated and he has no defense wat so ever....floyd wuld have a field day...and wen it comes to cotto he would git beat cuz he lost to margarito who proved in that fight as well dat he had no defense along with cotto.....the only fight that i believe wuld really be a challege for mayweather is manny...so stop hating git off his jock and stop saying who he is going to fight and who he is not cuz yall dnt kno who he may fight in the future so wen his caeer is officially over than u can talk about that but as of now jus shutup and let whatever happenes happen instead of running ur mouths about whos old or not.....its jus excuses for yall cuz yall cant grasp da fact dat mayweather jus mite b the best p4p fighter and yall jus cant stand for dat to happen so GET OVER IT!!!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 03:22:32 PM
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oskar:
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The real blueprint to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr was already been made by Roach but he didn't have the right fighter that time...
Wednesday May 6, 2009 05:33:51 PM
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Roach doesn't have the blueprint. There is such thing as a bluepring against a fighter who can constantly adjust. He toyed with Oscar all night. We saw an A game Oscar against a C+ Floyd.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 05:49:18 PM
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oskar:
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Oscar was past his prime
Wednesday May 6, 2009 06:40:10 PM
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oskar:
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Oscar was past his prime but still it was an SD.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 06:41:02 PM
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boxsci:
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Not a mayweather "hater" but this article makes a lot of sense and is again proven with maywether's matchup with JMM at 144! All you can argue mayweaher's fighting the 2nd best p4p fighter, but why at 144!?? JMM is a natural featherweight for gawds sake! while Mayweather is a natural lightweight-superlight. This fight should be fought at 140 or lower to be fair. But then again, Mayweather is a great "manager" and is smart enough to know he'll need the extra weight advantage.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 06:49:35 PM
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Floyd fought cautious against Oscar ...for a good reason . Oscar is a very good puncher and wasn't drained for that fight . Also if Floyd would've KO'd him , that would've killed the rematch which may still happen . One more thing was the gameplan . The Mayweather camp gameplan was knowing Oscar would tire and step on the gas in the second half of the fight . Like I said before this is chess not checkers . Floyd fighting Marquez is a good measuring stick to where he is . Marquez is one of the sharpest in our era and won't be a pushover because he can box . Floyd coming back and fighting Mosley after a seventeen month layoff would've been stupid . Shane has one punch KO power with the left hook that comes lightning quick . @misterlee I'm a rational thinker . Pre -Hatton fight I would've told you Floyd would dismantle Manny because of superior technique , and after the Manny vs. Oscar fight it seemed as though Pac's power wasn't as destructive at 147 . Post Hatton fight after witnessing the SPEED and ferocious concussive power Pacman displayed as well as good movement an angles , I have to revisit my opinion . Now I do bear in mind that Mayweather is a COMPLETELY different animal from Hatton . Hatton is there to be hit while May is as elusive as they come . I don't think anyone can escape the fist of Pacquiao , but I know something most of our respected alum seemed to have missed . Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather elevates his game when pressured . This is why a Pretty Boy vs. Pacman match would be explosive . We already know Pacman is coming to fight . We all know Floyd is coming to win . When Pacman starts to connect , Floyd will connect . Don't beleive me go tou yuotube . Look at the Hatton fight , Ricky brought the best out in Floyd . Look at the Chop Chop Corley fight after Floyd got buzzed , the hands started coming from everywhere . Look at the tall African he fought , I think it was Lovemore Ndoe or something . Boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit . Since when it's Floyds fault his opponents can't land (are you serious) ?!?! Those who do don't like the results as it becomes like knocking down a beehive . Floyd also hurts his hands often ,so some fights he has to box smart because he can't sit on his shots with hurt mitts . More than 5 of his fights this has happened but he's still undefeated . It aint wise to keep breaking your hands when those are your bread and butter . That's why Calzaghe trained for speed . It may effect your KO percentage or even your entertainment standing , but not as much as taking a L . Plus it's this thing called cuting off the ring for those who says he runs . It's an answer for anything in the ring but nobody has solved the Floyd May equation yet because he's multidimensional . I used to hurt my hands a lot doing padwork because I punched too hard . It's not easy to fight with banged up mitts . Manny and Floyd have been my favorite fighters for years now , so if it seems like I'm on the fence it's because I am . Dueces
Wednesday May 6, 2009 09:20:16 PM
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Nice writing Real Talk! Holla! :)
Wednesday May 6, 2009 09:38:59 PM
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i thought mayweather dismissed the rematch with dela hoya? he did, didnt he? and i dont think its fair to justify hurting your own hand as an excuse. its like a fighter having a glass jaw. if a fighter gets his hands injured, then thats his fault, its like a weak chin. you have weak hands, thats a weakness for you. its all about being able to control the strength of ones punches and proper placement. many people say many things about mayweather, some even conclude that he can beat margarito, mosley and cotto. but all they can really do is predict, not comclude... because, he hasnt fought them.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 10:05:25 PM
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RealTalk great points the part where you said Mayweather elevates his game when pressured that is a very important point don't let all that flashy stuff fool you he will let them hands go if chanllenge.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 10:15:21 PM
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hahaha this article is right! all you mayweather fans...he gave mayweather his credit!!! SO DO I! dont get it twisted!! but its all true....im sure most people got there panties in a bunch and didnt even finish reading the article, anyone who doesnt agree with this article is a fan on mayweathers nuts, i respect mayweather as a fighter and I always buy his ppvs but the guy is right...why isnt he jumping in the ring with mosley or cotto and why didnt he give de la hoya a rematch....he would have made bank off the rematch...he retired cuz the top dogs of the welterweight division wanted a piece of his ass....they turned up the heat and his turkey ass jumped out the oven to cool off...that simple...hatton and de la hoya were 2 tough fights in a row for him.....marquez is tough as fuck and a great fighter but a defensive style like mayweathers and his size...he can beat him easily..."no tune up fight" my ass....
Wednesday May 6, 2009 11:38:44 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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@Realtalk, great post, though i have to disagree with you when you say Manny has no power at 147. I myself thought that he couldn't carry the power that high but he did. Let me explain, we all know Oscar can take a punch because he has faced guys with tremendous power. But after tasting Manny punches in the 7th and 8th round I believe he thought he was going to get knockout that is why he didn't want no more. I'm 100% sure that he would have been knockout if he came back out there. But hell yeah Manny vs Floyd will be explosive. I also want all the Mayweather fans one thing, if this mega fight does happen(pretty sure it will too much money at stake) and beats Manny Pacquiao I will give him his dues and will no longer be a critic.Payce!
Thursday May 7, 2009 01:11:36 AM
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MisterLee:
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Real Talk, I think you're talking about Phillip Ndou, the knockout artist? When Floyd faced him he was VERY aggressive. He finished the guy off by three right hands in a row, throw, cock, throw, cock, throw and the guy was finished. Pretty awesome, he timed it too so when the guy snapped his head back in place he had a perfectly landed right hand lead again and again. Or Ndou throwing 12-15 consecutive punches in about rounds 7 or 8, and Mayweather slipped and rolled around all of them untouched. That was an exciting fight, or the chop chop fight. However, we haven't seen that much of that from Floyd since his Jr. Welterweight days. In welterweight he was a little more careful and strategic, and more so with Oscar. Mayweather pieced apart Gatti also, BUT, his greatest moments have been agst B+ fighters at most (Gatti = C +), and put an A- fighter like jr. welterweight Hatton at 147, and you got mayweather's feathers a little tethered. If mayweather can drop his defense and let his hands go metaphorically (sign those big fights with good welterweights), i'll give him props for stepping into the ring, NOT even fight, but stepping into the ring, i don't doubt he'll be no less than awesome, maybe dull maybe awesome, but at least he'll perform well (the guy spars 15 minute rounds), but he gotta do that to re-win me as a fan. Just like just when Margarito was MAYBE gonna make me a fan he played diva negotiator with Mosley, disappeared for about 2 weeks, and was talking trash about mosley being scared, retiring, and peeing. So yeah, fighters gotta earn my respect inside and outside the ring. Pc out!
Thursday May 7, 2009 04:45:54 AM
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Ben o'connor:
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100% AGREE WITH REAL TALK. BUT ILL LEAP OFF THAT FENCE AND SAY FLOYD BY UD. IF THEY FIGHT SURELY THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST TALENT IN A BOXING RING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS PLUS!!!! SAY FLOYD DESTROYS JMM IN 8 ROUNDS
Thursday May 7, 2009 07:20:55 AM
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oskar:
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Floyd would destroy JMM even Manny would destroy JMM @ 140 ask Floyd if he would fight JMM @ 130 im sure JMM would wupp Floyd's behind.
Thursday May 7, 2009 07:41:07 AM
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MisterLee watching Kessler Calzaghe for first time and has MIkkel up 3 rds to 2 so far:
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IF Floyd loses, the Boo Birds will come out worse than De La Hoya. The worst thing about losing to a guy is losing to a smaller guy that you cherry picked that you were supposed to beat... Yep. Pressure is all in Money's court (sorry, i sitll think the money scheme is for promoting fights, but can't help it! :)
Thursday May 7, 2009 08:13:21 AM
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vNorton:
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"All Floyd has been doing is waiting around for the guys in his "real" division to either get old (Shane Mosley) lose (Miguel Cotto), get beat up (Antonio Margarito) outgrow the division (Paul Williams) and fall off the radar (Kermit Cintron)."
--- WELL SAID. I COMPLETELY AGREE.
Thursday May 7, 2009 11:14:40 AM
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Pacman:
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So Pacman is like floyd ,he fough old guys like Morales 3 times and he got beat once and then old Marquez 36 yrs,2 times very compettive and and most people thinks that he lost both fights,then at 135lbsi David diaz a guy with no power or skills, and then a drain DLH and then a statue Hatton a guy that he knew he could beat going backwards, he needs to fight somebody good like maybe old Mosley, Nate Campbell, Valero, but no instead he is after cotto a guy that was beat bad by Margarito a guy that maybe done, a guy that he can beat, so guys Pacman is also for the money like floyd or Jones.
Friday May 8, 2009 03:09:14 PM
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oskar:
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Pacman is not like Floyd jr. The top guys at the feather weight division were Barrera, Morales and Marquez their counter parts at the welterweight division are Cotto, Mosely and Margarito (the time he wasn't yet suspended).
Friday May 8, 2009 08:45:59 PM
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arbee:
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hey brave mayweather!
why won't you fight brian villoria or ivan calderon instead?
There's that 75% chance that JMM will KO you. Brian or ivan,at least ,
will earn you a draw or a sd. Don't go to Pac, shane or cotto, you won't have a chance.
Saturday May 9, 2009 09:50:22 AM
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Real Talk @ TSS Alum:
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@ ali , Thanx for the thumbs up on my post . @ 1 Pacfan , I didn't say Pacman didn't have power at 147 . I said it didn't seem as though he had the same power we were used to seeing from him at 147 , but if you look closer he wasn't really sitting on his punches until late in the fight . Plus Oscar takes a real good shot . @ Mister Lee , I watched that fight not too long ago(Calzaghe /Kessler) . Loved it , I think that was Calzaghe's best performance and won me as a fan . You' re doing your research I see . I loved the part when Floyd rolled a major flurry from this guy (Ndou) . None of the punches landed flush . He was in the zone , then came out with that patient stalking landing crisp , clean , hard shots . That was one of Floyd's best fights to me . Complete offensive and defensive mastery(no peppers), real talk . If Floyd fights like that I don't see ANYONE beating him ....at all . BUT .....but ...the only way that's going to happen is if his opponent makes him dig deeper. Makes him fight , makes him work . If you let Floyd coast , he will coast and be like , cut the check . Easy day at the office , I'll war when I have to . Can you blame him , I won't . I love a easy day of work , but sometimes I like a challenge to work hard , just to show I can do it. @ Ben o' conner , I don't blame you . It's hard to bet against Floyd in the ring . Just like it's hard to bet against B-Hop . About the most talent in the ring in 20 years plus that's a biig claim . What year was it when Leonard vs. Hagler happened . Was it 87' or 89 ? All I know is VHS was the new thing an I think my Uncle recorded it on Beta Max . Then you've got Sweet Pea vs. Chaves , Oscar vs. Chaves , Hopkins vs. Jones , Oscar vs. Trinidad , Mosley vs. Oscar , Tyson vs. Holyfeild , Medrick Taylor vs. Chaves (that's right ...talent) Hopkins vs. Trinidad , and I'll say Michael Moorer vs. Holyfeild . Anybody else got any I may have missed chime in . Or if anybody thinks any of these should be taken down sound off . It's always a pleasure . P.S. sparring fifteen minute rounds is INSANE !!!! I think I did padwork for like 15 minutes once and was sore for like 4 or 5 days . Peace and Blessings
Sunday May 10, 2009 08:15:25 PM
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Daniel Telley:
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Floyd will stop Marquez! And anybody that knows anything about boxing has to admit that Marquez beat PacMan both times.
Monday May 11, 2009 08:29:40 AM
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Tate:
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This is one hell of a confused article. You saying this about PBF the next minute you are saying this. Floyd didnt want to knock out Ricky in the second round, so you cant say he couldn't. Manny knocked out Ricky in the second round because he enticed him the wild shots and Ricky lost focus and tried to brawl and he was way to open for Manny. I think you just dont like Floyd. I think Pacman is an excellent fighter but Floyd would make him hit nothing but thin air before knocking him at later rounds.
Monday May 11, 2009 10:38:10 AM
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Travis:
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Floyd fighting smaller fighters? Are you serious?
The size difference between Floyd-Marquez is a lot smaller than Floyd-Cotto/Mosley/Margo/Williams
But I don't see you hating on them for wanting to fight Floyd.
You're extreme bias is clearly seen in this article. You hate the guy because he has made the right moves. What even supports this more is you still used Margarito. the skilless cheating tool and you still used him.
You're writing skills are worthless,, you should just start blogging about how you wish you were as successful as Floyd and how much you hate him because he in every way of life is superior.
Monday May 11, 2009 02:25:02 PM
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Cisco:
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ALL TRUE BOXING FANS Don't buy this fight. Just watch the highlights on youtube. A low buyer volume will force (economically) the winner to fight Pacquiao and settle this dispute once and for all.
Mayweather claims he fights for cash, we pay cash to see men fight with passion and for honor, pride, and glory. If PBF wins this fight but with low buy volumes, he will be forced to fight Pacquiao for a mega match worth many millions. That will set up the fight all loyal boxing fans long to see.
Tuesday May 26, 2009 11:37:25 PM
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formarkiz:
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I can't wait to see the fight, Marquez is brilliant in the ring and he has tons of heart. The author left out the fact that Mosely was Challenged twice by Mayweather, and turned it down twice. Mayweather was offered 8 million and a 5 fight contract with top rank to fight Margarito, he fought DLH for 25 million instead. Mayweather called out Cotto at 140 and then again at 147 on espn. That hide behind my promoter attitude only works when you're a prospect, he is far from that now, he should be begging for a mega-fight.
Thursday May 28, 2009 02:16:12 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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