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Sunday May 3, 2009


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Thunderstruck

By Springs Toledo


“Thunderstruck” by AC/DC blared as Manny Pacquiao made his way to the ring with his entourage. Two men who looked like giants walked behind him. On the left was Michael Moorer, former light heavyweight titlist and history’s first southpaw heavyweight champion who is now operating as the chief assistant trainer at the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Moorer knocked out his first 26 opponents. On the right was the professional wrestler David Batista –a half-Filipino man-mountain known as “The Animal.” Trainer Freddie Roach’s prediction that Manny would stop Ricky Hatton inside of three rounds was a whisper on everyone’s mind. 

Pacquiao himself provided the contrast to these ominous sounds and images. He smiled his boyish smile, stepped into the ring, and went immediately to the corner to get down on his knees and pray. 

As it was, the fanfare was entirely appropriate. And Roach was right. With exactly eight seconds left in the second round, Pacquiao threw a dummy right jab, got low while weaving slightly to his left and launched a left hook that slammed into the side of Hatton’s chin. It landed at the short angle where the receiver turns into the Scarecrow collapsing on the yellow brick road. The chin is forced into the raised left shoulder, unconsciousness is immediate, the head hits the canvas, the lungs heave for breath, and the eyes stare at something far away. We’ve seen it many times. It ain’t pretty. 

However, there are two sides to every great knockout. The receipt can be morbid or even frightening. The delivery can sometimes approach the aesthetic. The execution and effect of Pacquiao’s punch makes it about as devastating as any shot that we’ve seen in a heavily-promoted fight since Hearns’ lullaby lasers. Indeed, round thirteen in Marciano-Walcott I and round five in Robinson-Fullmer II may have competition for their respective claims of “the perfect punch.” At the very least, from this point forward no “boxing’s great knockouts” compilation will be complete without round two of Pacquiao-Hatton.

At the first bell, Hatton came out of his corner like a landlord coming out of his house with a shotgun. For a few seconds, Pacquiao behaved like a trespasser caught in the line of fire. He backed off, stepped away to the side and out of range, and threw tentative punches. He seemed a bit jittery. Strategy soon declared supremacy over the nerves as right hooks (not straight lefts, as expected) started looping out at Hatton’s chin. 

Like an agitated landlord, Hatton’s aggression wasn’t quite the thinking type. He came out of his house armed, but in a straight line. And that wasn’t the least of his errors. Hatton was dropping his hands despite Floyd Joy’s exhortations to keep his hands up, and his head was almost statue- still. Hatton’s most elemental fault is that he tends to fight tensely. He grits his teeth and clenches his muscles and has never learned to fight with fluidity, to be loose. When he tries, it’s forced and lasts only as long as stress is low. Fighters like this are prone to shatter. This is why we pack cookie jars in bubble wrap. It’s why your car has shock absorbers. We can’t wrap our chins in bubble wrap or attach shock absorbers to our necks, but we can roll with punches and fight in a relaxed manner so as to decrease the risk of a knockout. 

Meanwhile, loose and fluid Manny was throwing arcing shots from a crouch and he was timing and finding the ostensibly stronger man. Five of the southpaw’s right hooks landed in the first two minutes.

The sixth right hook that connected in the first round was thrown by Pacquiao as Hatton was throwing his left hook. Manny landed it while beginning a weave, got under the hook, and then immediately spun off to his right and resumed position to punch. Hatton’s whizzing left hook looked like the propeller of a crashing helicopter, accelerating him downward while birdies flew around his head. He got up at the count of eight. At the end of the round, he went down again from a straight left. He was trained to expect straight lefts, but was taking so many unexpected shots from unexpected angles that he may have forgotten about it or was too cloudy to even think about it. Pacquiao had found his rhythm and his range and was landing hard shots.

Pacquiao, as Manny Steward observed, demonstrated the ability to combine offense and defense simultaneously. This is rare for an aggressive fighter. It is less rare for a great fighter. In his prime, Roberto Duran was able to do this masterfully due to superb training and surprising agility. Neither Manny’s technique nor his beard is as full as Duran’s, but his agility, ferocity, and use of angles are indeed comparable. His resume is on track to do the same. Incidentally, Duran had a timeless nickname –Hands of Stone. Perhaps Manny should get his nickname out of the eighties. If he cannot get timeless he can at least get modern; after all, he doesn’t just eat up his opponents like Pacman, he gets downright “Matrix” in how he does it.

 

Dropped twice and stunned more than a few times, Hatton was glassy-eyed but kept on coming. I kept thinking of the metaphorical landlord. It turned out that the metaphorical trespasser had three guns to his one and was shooting him to pieces right there on his own turf. The landlord, shocked and bewildered, was still coming. He had to –it’s his house. He had to; even though he knew in his heart of hearts he wasn’t going to win this.

At the end, Ricky was out cold for well over a minute. Laid out on his lawn. He regained his senses and left without being interviewed. As I watched him leave the ring, I could almost hear King Levinsky, who lasted less than a round against Joe Louis, offer his own insights about being knocked out: “It’s not the blows, much as they hurt. But it’s all them witnesses. Everybody watching you. You split to pieces, like a goddamn plate glass window hitting the sidewalk.”

 

The look on Hatton’s face as he departed was a mixture of dejection and embarrassment. I’d like to suggest to him that he should be neither. He has far less flaws as a man than he does as a fighter and that’s something to aspire to. He has reminded us all that the best nobility is found among the working classes, among those who laugh at themselves, who’d die for their family, and who make their way by the sweat of a brow and the camaraderie of friends. He is a champion familiar with glory and only recently introduced to defeat. He is a man who did not go gently to that introduction. 

Ricky Hatton should be encouraged to keep a proper perspective. He lost but one house last night. He will never lose his home, for his home is in the hearts of thousands, plus one, who sing of his heroism …even as he falls. 

  

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FightFreak:  What a fantastic piece of writing, especially the last two paragraphs. Those are real and heartfelt insights. I've never read your stuff before, but i hope you continue writing about boxing, because you have the knack for it. When Packy loses -- as everyone does who overstays their welcome in this brutal sport -- I hope somebody tells him the same thing, as eloquently as you have Ricky.
Sunday May 3, 2009 03:29:46 PM
ScottManila:  This is such a beautifully written piece. Hatton is great - and to those who adore him, even greater. Hatton faced his opponent squarely. He is a true champion. He deserves more respect and adoration. Just like anyone else, he had good days. A few were bad but he shouldn't be judged according to how many fights he lost.
Sunday May 3, 2009 08:23:25 PM
MisterLee:  Knockdown number 2 like Morales 3 baby. Farewell Ricky, best of luck, and enjoy the $12 million and ppv revenue! :)
Monday May 4, 2009 12:30:01 PM
Englishbushpig:  Excellent article, i hope if Hatton reads this he feels better about himself, as a Hatton fan i think no less of my hero who lost to the worlds best P4P champion and an exceptional one at that. Quite easily Manny could be labelled THE P4P CHAMPION of P4P champs!
Monday May 4, 2009 12:49:04 PM
Condor:  I hope Hatton retires. It would be lunacy for him to continue. He exhibited class throughout, as did PacMan, and there's certainly no shame in losing to an absolutely PRIME Manny Pacquiao. He went out on his shield. He barely got out of round 1, then came out for round 2 just as aggressively, knowing that he was in the eye of the storm. Most guys would have pulled a Henry Akinwande versus Lennox Lewis and hold his way to a DQ. Not Hatton. He fired away as best he could, but ran into a typhoon. What can you do? Sure, being KO'd like that is embarrassing, but he's $8mm richer and had an admirable career as the man at 140 for many years.
Monday May 4, 2009 01:06:46 PM
in touch :  Wow! What a great article. One of the best I've read on this site. As a side comment, Floyd Sr. should be embarrassed, taking so much time writing and memorizing his poetry instead of putting together a real strategy for his fighter. He called roach a joke, who is the joke? it's Floyd! All props to Manny for executing as well as he could, for Roach putting together a great fight plan, and to Hatton for giving it his all. He has nothing to be ashamed of. Many a great fighters would have gone down being hit the way he was.
Monday May 4, 2009 01:23:13 PM
MisterLee:  Amen, dont' forget crafty southpaw Michael Moorer to for the fight plan!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:31:31 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG leavin' Vegas on a jet plane w/deep, fat pockets -- LL BF:  Wow! Outstanding, touching piece, Fightwriter G-To. Gosh, that story was really a great read. First, let me holla at my peeps: Kayang-kaya mo, Filipino. Mabuhay ka, Manny! Ating Pambansang Kamao. I posted in one of Fightwriter F-Lo's piece that Manny doesn't have Roberto Duran's "Hands of Stone," but "Hands of Mindinao granitold rock." And I said -- in so many words -- that Manny would be simultaneously on the offense and defense similar to Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor. And that Ricky would not be able to get (loosey goosey). This is his biggest problem , NO fluidity. Pops Joy May was definitely the wrong trainer for the HitMan. I knew it from the jump. Joy is like a TV jacklegged preacher who is always claiming healing miracles -- but never producing. Ricky should not have bought the hyped-up miracle working from Joy. I consider Joy a jacklegged trainer. He is always claiming to be the best, but has not single handedly produced one professional champion. "Lil" Floyd, as he calls his son, is an Uncle Roger's creation. Joy became a Blueboat and sail away from Ricky, just as I said -- from a Bluecoat to a Blueboat. Everywhere you look, Joy is blaming Ricky for this defeat, and says that Ricky should retire. BULL! Roberto Duran didn't retire after Tommy Hearns knocked him into a nightmare. And Lennox Lewis didn't retire after getting kayoed by crying, nerve breakdown clown and a stiff Rock Man -- Rahman. Ricky should come back. He is still a live body for many opponents -- just not the super elite. Holla!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:33:46 PM
Saul:  I agree with all my fellow TSS Universe readers here. Hatton has nothing to be ashamed of and should hold his head high. Great Article!!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:40:15 PM
RIVERSIDE:  very good writinfg by mr. toledo, he takes you right to the point, it's like your reading a movie, it's not like other writers negative this negative that, hatton should of been better prepared for plan b and c
Monday May 4, 2009 01:40:27 PM
MisterLee:  With all due respect to Hatton, I think he might actually give JMM fits in a way that he couldn't with Pacquiao. if he fights JMM fresh off of the mayweather fight, it'll be a good sink or swim situation for both of them, they can each walk away from the sport with one more paycheck. You know JMM won't jump on top of this guy, that he had some difficulty adjusting to Juan Diaz's pressure. It might make for an exciting fight, and JMM won't be able to floor Hatton in the early rounds b/c he's not powerful nor agressive nor fast enough to do so. Just an idea. But either way, farewell Hatton. And Floyd sr. has his foot in his mouth, but I'm glad to see that his ego wasn't so big that he still looked honestly concerned wtih his fighter between rounds 1 & 2. Anybody knows why it was decided before the fight that Floyd wasn't going to work with Ricky any more? was it one too many late taco runs? :) Pc out!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:43:08 PM
Anony:  Yeah.. Hatton deserves recognition. He never ducked anybody. He just got caught by more technician boxers like Fadeweather and Manny. GO HATTON!!!! I was rooting for him but the little man keeps me loosing money... hahahaha It's ok now. CHEERS RICKY!!! Back to the beer and Manchester soccer... and tell everybody to !@#$ off. You are a wealthy lucky man who fought the best!!!!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:48:16 PM
#1 Pacfan "P4P King":  "Truly magnifecent!" CURTAIN CALL!!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:50:30 PM
Yuvie:  In all fairness, that punch would have taken out anyone around the welterweights. That was the perfect punch. I'm pretty sure Hatton will come back., even if only for one farewell fight in Manchester.
Monday May 4, 2009 02:13:38 PM
ilim akaec:  great piece Gregory, keep up your writing and we will read
Monday May 4, 2009 03:17:47 PM
Dr M:  I am a fan of exceptional writing and this one is a great piece. Send your work to ESPN. They need people like you.
Monday May 4, 2009 03:56:51 PM
MisterLee:  I love the writing, but why ESPN? The sweet science is the place, may you win prizes and a purse, in this place we call the TSS universe! Pc out!
Monday May 4, 2009 04:24:13 PM
andy from CROWcastle:  Just to add my accolaides to you Sir. Fine writing, and you should endeavour to have a copy sent to Mr.Ray Hatton to share with his brave son, who could probably use a lift like this. Toonoy
Monday May 4, 2009 05:26:59 PM
Steve:  Great article. Pacman made me and the world seriously take notice
Monday May 4, 2009 05:55:08 PM
Editor Mike:  Tell em, Mister Lee.
Monday May 4, 2009 06:28:27 PM
oskar:  I think Hatton still have a few good fights but he needs to recover from his defeat and start from the beginning. Get Roach as his coach and spar with Pacman to gain his confidence back. He still got a good resume, I mean only two loses both came from former and current P4P king.
Monday May 4, 2009 07:07:03 PM
Real Talk:  Epic style and substance in this piece Mr. Toledo . I had a flash of the Hearns vs. Duran KO . This one was the same type of KO. Hatton must have been caught up in the crowd or something . He didn't gaurd his grill or move his head , that was the whole point of training with Big May . I know he wish he could have a do-over . If he does he should wait at least a year and go out a winner , maybe against Junior Witter or something . He should hold his hands high , elbows tight and jab his way in to get the body . Hatton is cool peoples , I wish him the best . He should go see Freddie Roach . Dueces
Monday May 4, 2009 07:17:48 PM
ShoguNinja:  This article is well written... I hope you can also write and article as good as this or better for Floyd Mayweather Jr. after Manny "Pacman " Pacquiao destroys him and make him wear fish nets.Lol
Monday May 4, 2009 07:25:13 PM
Fe'ROZ :  Ricky Hatton needs to listen and hear these complimentary but compelling words. He has nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of or embarrassed about. I cannot think that he expected to win this fight. He had little of the brash demeanor we have grown accustomed to upon entering the ring. His loyal fans may have suspected as much when he chose to enter as the challenger....and not to play Blue Moon. He knew he was no longer the man. He knew it after Mayweather. No excuses to himself ......no referee, no doctor... could erase what we all saw that night. Ricky Hatton was a warrior but no longer at the top of the class. That was a bad defeat. It stripped him of his invinciblity and confidence. Before Saturday, he kept trying to convince himself he was the bigger guy. (I kept looking in the mirrow and saying: "So am I") Hardly a ringing affirmation or self-endorsement. This loss will be something none of us will forget. It was as dramatic as any any of us who ever care to see. It was a shot heard round the ring...and the world. Ricky wasn't the only one breathless. We all were. I was afraid I had just watched a public execution. I had a hard time looking; but a harder time not. I was worried about ricky...and for his family. I sincerely hope Ricky Hatton reads your article...and decides, for the love of life, to retire. He has given boxing everything he has to give. pc
Monday May 4, 2009 07:26:50 PM
1:  Dr. M, You must be new to this site. Welcome. Please allow me, if you will, to tell you about TSS. It's not Max Boxing. Nor is it Fight News! What TSS has evolved to in its brief five years is the home to where the great boxing writers come to ply their trade. TSS has been called home by no less than seven Nat Fleischer Award Winners: Borges & Bernie, Kimball & Katz, Ken Jones, Ed Schuyler, and Pat Putnam. And to steal a page from Fight News, Pat Putnam! You want real insight? Allow me to point out Frank Lotierzo and his million or so archived words. Then there's the JRs - Joe Rein and Jonathan Rendall. If you don't enjoy these craftsmen, then just maybe you don't really enjoy great boxing writing. Now the site has added Gregory Toledo. It's like the Yankees getting Mickey Mantle. He was born to wear pinstripes. Welcome Doctor. Welcome Gregory...and did I mention Pat Putnam? ;-)
Monday May 4, 2009 08:03:51 PM
MisterLee :  Yo yo, it's like giving up your fillet mignet to get cheesesteaks! This is like Washington Post except for boxing. I wish I had a hard copy at my door every morning. Pc out! Tss rules!
Monday May 4, 2009 08:10:37 PM
pete steward:  Manny HITTING the HITMAN was the biggest attack on England since the BLITZ lol!
Monday May 4, 2009 08:25:11 PM
Frank:  Excellent piece, a good reminder that boxing is still just a sport at the end of the day and that life is much more important. You make good points about being relaxed when you are in the ring, it minimizes energy expenditure and maximizes your vision. who knows maybe hatton could have seen more punches coming as a result of being relaxed and avoided them, but that is all moot now. I'm grateful for a site like TSS where writers can put out work with good historical perspective as well as knowledge of good trainers on subtlties of the game. Last thing I want to say is that people seem to want to blame Floyd Sr., and his prefight trashtalking of course makes him an easy target, but the truth is it's hard to change some one who's been fighting for over 10 years into an almost completely different fighter, and in the corner floyd was telling ricky feint, and move his head, but hatton went back to his old ways sooner than expected, probably from the situation being so high pressure. He did well against Malignaggi but that was a lower profile matchup and of course Malignaggi doesnt' hit nearly as hard as Pacquiao. In the end it was more about how good Manny was than about how bad Ricky or his corner was. Ricky just went back to what he felt most comfortable doing, and Manny's punches were surgical, he's measuring and timing well now, and his power now is truly scary at 140 lbs. I am really hoping for Floyd Jr. vs. Pacman at the end of the year or January 2010.
Monday May 4, 2009 08:37:18 PM
josh f:  the best piece i've ever read on the sweet science
Monday May 4, 2009 08:42:52 PM
#1 Pacfan "P4P King":  Welcome Dr.M, you will be brainwashed with full of great articles written by these genius writers. You will be entertained by a handfull of intelligent readers as well as they lay it all out their insights on their favorite fighters. Debates on here can get intense but at the end we live to write another day.
Monday May 4, 2009 09:56:48 PM
Real Talk @mister lee :  What part of the DMV are you from ???
Monday May 4, 2009 09:57:29 PM
brownsugar:  a very well executed peice,... (I hope I didn't duplicated anybody else's comment),.. but it's all been expressed so excellently before my post,.. that I can't think of any other adjectives without sounding weird... This article reminded me of a science fiction book called "Speaker of the Dead",.(by the author of Ender Game). where the main character goes about speaking at funerals in a way that manifests closure in the lives of the survivers,.. but before he speaks he gets to know the relatives and immediate family and friends which usually turns out to be a dramatic experience,.. then he crafts this experience into a word of reconciliation and peace that ends up becoming the beginning of the healing process in the surviving families... yep it was good...
Monday May 4, 2009 09:59:54 PM
happy_beachboy:  If Manny is masterful in his clash against Hatton, then G. Toledo is as masterful in this article. It leaves the readers appreciate boxing and life itself. What a way of promoting the sport despite its brutality. Ricky Hatton will be remembered. Nice guy
Monday May 4, 2009 10:11:11 PM
brownsugar:  @Regarding a comment above about Mayweather Senoirs training abilities,.. I can't place the total blame on Floyd Sr,.. but they could have run a far more professional camp,.. seeing the Elder Floyd on the internet daily speaking his peice and publishing his one note rhymes seemed like he was more focused on promoting himself more than helping the prefight Psychological warfare that usually errupts between two mega popular fighter... Roach said just enough,.. the kind of statements that can seep into a fighter self-conscious and can perpetuate doubt if the opposing fighter dwells on it... while Mayweather insulted one of the most classy, humble, spiritual, and personable boxers in the sport,.. Every body knows you don't piss-off the quiet-man,.. he'll work his arse off behind the scenes every time and dig deeper than ever to secure his victory ("It's nothing Per-son-Nell",..hogwash,.. it was always personal"after the trash talk started),.. that type of hype worked for Mayweather JR,.. but Hatton is no PBF... Bernard Hopkins didn't insult the clean-cut-blue-collar-everyman,..Kelly Pavlik before their fight,.. there was none of that "I'll never lose to a white boy stuff,. or stomping on Youngstowns' rep"... all he did was quietly complement and promote Kelly's abilities untill a few days before the fight when he said in a calm and fatherly tone of voice,.."Kelly you've been lied to",.. he never pissed off the quiet and humble Pavlik, who like most folks thought Bernard was ready for the taking (Bob Arum I'm looking at you),.. never gave him any motivation to work harder,.. then Bernard mugged him like a tourist going thru a NY underpass after dark(in the Bronx)...I think Hatton and Floyd will part ways after this...
Monday May 4, 2009 10:33:19 PM
thegreatestofalltime10:  I watch the fight again on youtube and I promise you all it was like watching Sugar Ray Robinson's old tapes in his prime. I'm a Mayweather Jr. fan and wish that he would take the risks that Pacman takes. Hopefully, MFM will beat Marquez and will accept the fight with Pacman. PacMan is treading to be the third greatest fighter of all time. MFM has a chance to join the all-time greats and he is in the era, where there all plenty of fighters to chhose from to cement his greatness. But, Mayweather is staring at the path, while Pacman has already started his journey. Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson will always be #1 and #2, but Pacman is surely making a case to challenge these all-time greats. Honestly, I'm a Mayweather fan and giving my honest opinion. Mayweather wants to be undefeated. In his eyes, he is the greatest because he is undefeated and has been champion in 5 different divisions. But, the honest truth is he didn't fight the best fighters in the 135, 140, 147, and 154 lb divisions. He didn't beat the topdog of those divisions. He hasn't fought Paul Williams, Miguel Cotto, Sugar Shane Mosley, Andre Berto, Antonio Margarito (Before he got caught cheating), and Joshua Clottey. Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali fought everybody and I mean everybody. Muhammad Ali is the greatest of all time because of the caliber fighters that was in the heavyweight division from the beginning of his career to the end. Ken Norton, George Foreman, Cleveland Williams, Joe Frazier, Ernie Shavers, Sonny Liston, Ernie Terrell, Larry Holmes, you name them he fought them and fought them when they were a threat.
Monday May 4, 2009 11:19:48 PM
Gilbert Oner:  This is probably the best written article about the Pacman-Hitman fight, I salute G. Toledo for this story. This is how articles should be written. I love the story... Thnks GT!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:02:27 AM
Jay Ari Yin:  Great write-up. You hit it at the button. Cheers to Hatton for fighting with his heart and double cheers to his English and British fans for making the fight a truly mega event!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:12:59 AM
steadadelica:  i'll say it again; superb writing. but really should Hatton stay on? will he ever challenge higher than his last fight? will he ever earn as much money? can he improve his ability? will he get quicker? can he improve his chin? It is a resounding no to all these questions. Ricky, please quit with your melon intact.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:29:12 AM
arturo:  I feel like Manny deserves a extension to his nickname."PACMAN THE DESTROYER"
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:35:20 AM
MisterLee:  At the thegreatestofalltime10, right on, you hit the issue on the button!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:32:29 AM
MisterLee @ realtalk :  Yo! What does DMV mean? Brown Sugar, my favorite line was "With that, I ain't afraid of no ghost!"
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:36:26 AM
vic legend:  The author is rightly congratulated for a masterfull and well written , poetic and insightful article. If I was knocked out and embarrassed by a smaller guy in front of everyone I ever knew in my life id take heart from the kind words and wisdom of this columnist. I disagree with the readers who think mayweather sr is to blame. If ricky won't execute a game plan, or hold his hands up or utilize head movement......perhaps mayweather should have cautioned ricky to have more respect for pacmans power instead gassing ricky up on the fact that pacman is smaller genetically. Any and everybody knows its the size of the fight in the dog and not the size of the dog in the fight. So ricky has no one to fault but himself for his inability to adjust and fight with a new tactical style. Point blank he underestimated pacmans power and mayweather did as well. I believe his poetry was good for building excitement for the match and anybody who hates mayweather for that would have hated ali, and probably mlk for being "loudmouths" in their era also. But they have all this respect for them suddenly today.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:10:25 PM
Eastar:  I wonder why Paclown was able and willing to fight DeLa Hoya at welter but ducks Cotto, Mosley and any other welter out there? All Wacmans opponents are hand picked so I still think he ranks behind Money May, and Marquez P4P. Hatton was taylor made for Wacman even freddy roach admitted that. Eastar I'm out.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:16:11 PM
brownsugar:  Yep,...Mister Lee ,.. only one in million can thrive off the stress of the prefight trash-talking and mind games,. Mayweather Jr and Hopkins relish it.. ..but it's not really Hattons forte'. ,.. Sugar Ray Leonard wasn't a trash talker,. but Duran and Hagler would kill you with words before the fight even started because they really meant it,.. anyway pc out..
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:16:57 PM
arturo:  Eastar u are right.but don't forget that Mayweather should be fighting. A Paul Williams or a Miguel Cotto.Mayweather has more to lose by fighting smaller people because he is expected to win .On the other hand Manny beat a good fighter who really didn't have any great victories. I would not count out JMM against Prettyboy because he is smaller.don't forget that by beating Floyd there will be a third figgt with his e Eternal advisary
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:19:16 PM
Big Ste:  Some of the posts since the Hatton/Paccy fight have made me switch back to other online forums. This one article and subsequent posts have now renewed my faith in TSS. The best part of the original article for me was when George stated that Hatton "tends to fight tensely. He grits his teeth and clenches his muscles and has never learned to fight with fluidity, to be loose." That is spot on and the reason why he was beaten to every punch on Saturday. He is a warrior but needed a coach to loosen him up and work on head movement/slips and parries. Ironically Ricky used to do all of them earlier in his career. I think the successful bully boy job he did on Tszyu made him believe he could walk through any light welter. Now he knows different. However, I disagree with many regulars. I don't think Ricky should retire on a loss. Bring the curtain down with a win at home in Manchester and give the fans and Ricky a chance to say goodbye in better circumstances. There many of the top ten light welters Ricky could still whup. He should re-hire Billy Graham for the last fight too. I've loved following the mini Tyson. Don't end it on a low note mate. x
Tuesday May 5, 2009 05:25:36 PM
Real Talk @mister lee :  It means D.C./Md./Va. area . You mentioned the Washington Post in your comment . Dueces
Tuesday May 5, 2009 05:49:12 PM
Gregory Toledo:  I cannot begin to express my gratitude for the support this article has received. The regular posters out here continue to impress me with their knowledge and insights and the fact that new readers thought enough to post gracious comments is uplifting. There are too many to individually respond to, so I won't try; I will only say that there is no greater satisfaction for a writer than to see that his work is highly regarded by his peers. Boxing writing has been, in my opinion (and in the opinion of many) the best of sports writing in terms of sheer quality. Some say that the golden years are past. I say they're just beginning -- and TSS is the epicenter. The contributions here at TSS are formidable already (Pat Putnam's archives are indeed a good place to begin), and I am privileged to be welcomed here. As Manny Pacquiao would say "I'll do my best." Thank you all very much.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:15:08 PM
MisterLee:  Maryland. East Coast baby, even tho as Mosley said, us East Coasters don't like to be hit :).
Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:19:06 PM
ali :  TSS where did yall put the other Mayweather article
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:24:47 PM
Fe'ROZ :  Big Ste, I know we disagreed on Hatton before the fight. That will happen. Guys like Hatton have fans for a reason. I am not sure that I subcribe however to the idea of Ricky fighting again; whether it be for the fans and/or simply to leave on a better note. I felt the same way about RJJ after his losses to Tarver and Johnson by KO. I know. It's their lives and their business. Continuing or not continuing is not our decision. But that shot Hatton took was downright frightening; not one that any of us wish to see any professional take more than once. Ricky is a star. He made a ton of dough. If this were his only calling, I would understand his coming back. But it's not. He has every thing to live for....and a whole lot to lose. I would respect him if he stopped...and be very concerned if he fights again.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:46:29 PM
Musang:  "I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do isn't very nice," -- Wolverine
Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:39:17 PM
Rico of Philippines:  HATTON lost coz he got so excited he bet large portion of his earnings durin' the Mayweather and recently Pacquiao fight.... so the lesson here, don't bet on yourself when u fight...bet on ur opponent....hehehe....
Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:47:54 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG:  Easter egghead is back, still hating and is wacky as ever. He really needs to stay on those meds. Holla!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:37:50 PM
urone2:  Call me crazy but did it seem that Hatton came out with reckless abandonment. It was with no concern for his own health. Everything that he did in the Paulie M fight that would work with Pacquiao he didn't do. There was a glemence in the second round where Hatton threw some straight punches, be then he went back to winging hooks. I think something happened between Hatton and Mayweather Senior and Hatton just threw caution to the wind.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 10:45:41 PM
victornola:  you should have been on hatton's camp...as a guiding light. mayweather was nowhere near hatton when he was down and out. mayweather wasn't walking with hatton when he was drunkenly making his way to the dugout. for all his madness, he even asked for his fighter's retirement from the sport. old men are supposed to be wise....but i guess you can never really expect much from a garbage-mouth.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:26:04 PM
#1 Pacfan "P4P King":  Urone2, I think you're right. I noticed that Hatton after the first round wasn't even looking at May Sr. instead turned to his assistant trainer. Like May Sr.'s instructions went in one ear and out the other.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 11:59:27 PM
fil-duran:  it is an age where prizefighters (mayweather jr.) are looking for the easiest way to the biggest prize....but PACMAN who is just facing every obstacle & every critic with a big smile in his face while walking to the ring after knocking out the opponent (hitman) would only say after the fight..."just doing my job" and asked who will be the next one to be fought would only say again "it's up to my promoters i will give my best for my country and boxing fan" and just thinking about the impossible if his promoters would say how about fighting in the middleweight class? i really think PACMAN would be training 100% for that fight "win or lose" that is the biggest difference between PACMAN and mayweather -pacman has the biggest heart and mayweather got the biggest head in boxing
Wednesday May 6, 2009 03:13:53 AM
Big Ste:  Fe'Roz, it was a sweet,hurtful punch that dropped Ricky. He's spoken yesterday and stated honestly that he was hurt very early in a 1st round exchange and never really recovered from that. My man Lennox got caught sweet twice near the end of his tenure but came back on a high note. Only problem is I don't think Ricky can do a Lennox. Lennox was a box puncher who's career still had a bit left in the tank. I think Ricky's ridiculous binging off season lifestyle means he may not be able to draw from the well anymore. I agree he could take his £47,000,000 and retire proud. But, as we know, probably only 6 fighters in history have retired when they should! I think he's too proud to walk away on a knockout loss. If he insists on one more fight he should fight someone not of the BHOF class of Mayweather or Pacman and to be fair the division is full of beatable fights. A domestic clash wth Junior Witter or Gavin Rees, maybe even Amir Khan if Khan gets past Kotelnik. you're right though, after that ko, Ricky could make things worse by fighting again as he may get beaten by someone who couldn't have laced his boots 5yrs ago. It's his call, but he's the old breed of fighter and his vast ring earnings to date may not enter his thoughts when he makes his decision. We all know what a strange bunch us boxers all are!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 03:36:48 AM
Big Ste:  Gregory, this article is obviously no fluke. One of my other favourite articles was your recent post on Ray Robinson and the legendary 1949 fighters. Those guys were in a different league. If you haven't already read it I would highly recommend Mike Silver's recent book, The Arc of Boxing, the rise and decine of the sweet science. Very provocative.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 04:04:58 AM
ALF:  I have been a fan of the pacman and of boxing for a long time now, but I dont normally post comment on articles. For this one though I have to post something. Great Article! Ricky Hatton is a very good figther, he had done great things in this sport already, assuring him slot at hall of fame. He shouln't be disappointed nor be ashamed for fighting his heart out and getting knock out cold - sometimes in life, it happens. It does not mean your a loser, it just mean you lost. Get up and try to win again. I believe Ricky being a champion would do the same. The great thing about it is that he really tied to win the fight - for that he gets my respect. Now, whether he retire or not, that his call - but I would rather see him retire for his sake and his families sake.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 06:33:51 AM
mikyot:  this is how articles are supposed to be written: unbiased, obejective and best of all, with heart and emotion. props to you, mr toledo!
Wednesday May 6, 2009 06:58:56 AM
Fe'ROZ :  Big Ste, Even as I wrote my note to you I realized how difficult it would be for Hatton, or anyone with his resume, to leave on such a devastating note. It , despite the dangers inherent, will probably not happen. I think you are spot on about Lennox....and I'm glad you reminded me about his dramatic losses and subsequent recovery. Unfortunately, Ricky and lennox are two different fighters and the circumstances of their KO's quite different. McCall caught Lennox shockingly but at a point in Lennox's career where Lennox could actually learn and adapt. He was young enough with his best years ahead of him. The adjustment he had to make in his re-match was more mental than technical....and we all know he did so with a vengance. The same with rahman. That was as much a mental error and again he quickly remedied it. That is why he was a great champion. Neither Ko, however, was to my recollection as devastating as the one Ricky suffered. Dramatic yes...but life-threatening no. Lewis was embarassed and rightfully so. He trained and redeemed himself fully. Ricky does not alwys train between fights. I think his lifestyle.....combined with his ring style...have caught up to him. Sure, he fought the best and lost. But those kinds of losses....especially the MP KO....can start to accumulate quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but head punches accumulated in sparring are not in themselves harm-less. My fear is the gravity of the shot he took to his head. It scared all of us. Having said that, I know boxing and boxers. He will more than likely hand-pick one (I hope no more), and give his fans one more great night. Witter seems logical. Not without risks however.My thoughts and prayers are with Ricky and his family. He seems a great guy. pc
Wednesday May 6, 2009 07:31:33 AM
Steve Ships:  Fantastic piece. Really enjoyed it. 'Hatton’s whizzing left hook looked like the propeller of a crashing helicopter, accelerating him downward while birdies flew around his head.' Great stuff Gregory.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 07:51:54 AM
Ramonito:  I have a name for Pacman, Shane Mosley, what do you guys think of that?i am just a hater, he can probably take Cotto but not Mosley.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 03:15:16 PM
james:  PACQUIAO WILL KNOCK OUT MAYWEATHER JR JUST A SECOND OR TWO SECONDS IN THE VERY FIRST ROUND.AND THERE WILL BE A REMATCH.ALL MY PREDICTIONS IN 50 YEARS ARE 100% CORRECT.
Wednesday May 6, 2009 07:18:54 PM
Fe'ROZ :  James, what's the weather report for tomorrow?
Wednesday May 6, 2009 08:24:04 PM
MisterLee:  Where's Jimmy Hoffa?
Wednesday May 6, 2009 09:42:31 PM
vNorton:  If Joy wasn't his trainer, people wouldn't have scoffed and laughed at Hatton's KO the way the do.
Thursday May 7, 2009 11:10:53 AM
Pacman:  So Pacman is like floyd ,he fough old guys like Morales 3 times and he got beat once and then old Marquez 36 yrs,2 times very compettive and and most people thinks that he lost both fights,then at 135lbsi David diaz a guy with no power or skills, and then a drain DLH and then a statue Hatton a guy that he knew he could beat going backwards, he needs to fight somebody good like maybe old Mosley, Nate Campbell, Valero, but no instead he is after cotto a guy that was beat bad by Margarito a guy that maybe done, a guy that he can beat, so guys Pacman is also for the money like floyd or Jones. Friday May 8, 2009
Friday May 8, 2009 03:11:39 PM
MisterLee:  Pacman has fought numerous Future Hall of Famers, Floyd fought one, MAYBE two (oscar and hatton). Campbell and valero are not of the class of Manny. And Hatton was the lineal jr. welterweight champion. I dun think Floyd has ever been a lineal champion b/c he's ducking and slipping too much! And pacman MAKES fighters old, he doens't fight old fighter. "nuff said! Musta forgot!
Friday May 8, 2009 03:33:48 PM
animal:  RICKY FLATTENED not Ricky Hatton
Saturday May 9, 2009 12:57:25 PM
sonnyavila:  Excellent article. I hope Ricky Hatton reads it and decides for himself whether or not to hang the gloves. I'm a Pacquiao fan but I always rooted for Ricky Hatton whenever he fought other boxers. No same in this loss. He dared fight one of the best, not of this generation but of all time. He remains the pride of English boxing and English boxing is better for him because of his talent, his ability to inspire others and the huge box office success that he alway brings to the plate. Ricky refused to be drawn into the antics of his trainer and conducted himself gentlemanly - like Pacquino- all throughout the publicity stints for the match. Good luck and Best Wishes, Ricky Hatton. There's really only one Ricky Hatton.
Saturday May 9, 2009 06:42:27 PM
denz:  very nice piece indeed!!!
Monday May 11, 2009 03:30:28 PM
bobby pacquiao:  the hatton that fought manny on May 2 is the same hatton who flatenned kostya in 2005, all agression and no brains. in three weeks of preparation i can beat hatton, even without my blow blow punch!
Monday May 11, 2009 10:50:02 PM

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