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"Manny's The Best," Say Experts Of Pacman's Victory
By David A. Avila
LAS VEGAS-Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao can punch. Boy can he punch.
Before a packed house of more than 17,000 people at the MGM Grand, a boisterous crowd filled with Brits and Filipinos saw Pacquiao prove on the point of Ricky Hatton’s chin that he packs a big time punch on Saturday.
Pacquiao gathered his fifth weight title by knocking down Hatton (45-2, 32 KOs) three times and ultimately knocking the English fighter out cold and grabbing the Ring Magazine and IBO junior welterweight titles.
The pound for pound champion picked up a world title in a fifth weight division. The only division he skipped is the featherweight division where he fought Juan Manuel Marquez to a draw. He later beat Marquez in the junior lightweight division.
“This win was as big as my last fight against Oscar De La Hoya,” said Pacquiao.
Once more Pacquiao (49-3-2, 37 KOs) proved his claim as the best fighter pound for pound in the world regardless of the re-emergence of Floyd Mayweather.
Before the fight, many doubted the Filipino southpaw had the ability to carry his power to the junior welterweight division, though he was coming off a technical knockout win over De La Hoya last December.
Hatton and his trainer Floyd Mayweather were convinced Pacquiao was too small.
“I really thought Ricky could get him,” said Mayweather who had argued and berated Pacquiao and his trainer Freddie Roach after the fight was made. “That’s all I can say.”
In the first round Hatton moved in aggressively against Pacquiao and immediately worked the inside. Both traded punches with the Manchester native landing frequently in the first 40 seconds until Pacquiao countered with a left hand. Then, suddenly, as Hatton lunged in, a Pacquiao right hook cut a path to the chin that dropped him to his knees. On shaky legs Hatton beat the count. With less than 30 seconds left in the round a sizzling left hand dropped Hatton again near his own corner. Luckily there were only a few ticks left on the clock and the round ended.
A seemingly more intense Hatton jumped out of his corner for the second round and immediately attacked Pacquiao as if the first round never happened. A right uppercut landed but Pacquiao countered with some combinations. Both traded back and forth but when the Filipino lefty brushed Hatton’s face with a right jab, he then loaded up an overhand left hand on the British fighter’s chin. Down he went with a thud and this time he did not get up. Referee Kenny Bayless did not bother to count and the fight was stopped at 2:59 of round two.
“We worked hard on the right hook,” said Pacquiao after the win. “We knew he was looking for the left hand.”
Roach, who’s trained Pacquiao for eight years, had predicted that his fighter would win in less than three rounds. He finally revealed his reason.
“Every time he throws a punch he cocks it,” said Roach. “We were ready for him.”
Though Pacquiao was confident of his own plan, even he was surprised that it ended quickly.
“I was surprised it came so easy, but we worked on it very hard,” said Pacquiao. “This wasn’t personal, it was business.”
Hatton was taken to the hospital after the fight.
"It was a hard shot but I’m ok,” Hatton said. “I really didn’t see the punch coming. It was a great shot. I know I’ll be ok.”
Among those who witnessed the fight were WBA junior lightweight titleholder Jorge Linares and former junior lightweight world champion Carlos “Famoso” Hernandez. Both felt Pacquiao would win but not in less than two rounds.
“I was very surprised,” said Linares, who sparred with Pacquiao a month ago and is familiar with the pound for pound champion’s power. “It was shocking what he did to a very good fighter like Ricky Hatton.”
Hernandez also picked Pacquiao to win, but felt the fight would end in the latter rounds.
“He’s just an incredible fighter,” said Hernandez of Pacquiao. “He’s the best.”
WBC title
Mexico’s Humberto Soto caught Canada’s slick Daniel Gaudet with a right uppercut under the chin that proved the beginning of the end. He survived the count but was met with a jab and right cross that sent him reeling along the ropes and to the canvas. Referee Jay Nady stopped the fight at 2:25 of the ninth round. Soto keeps his WBC junior lightweight title. Two judges had Soto ahead comfortably, but judge Paul Smith had Gaudet ahead 76-75 despite a first round knockdown.
In a middleweight contest Daniel Jacobs (16-0, 14 KOs) of Brooklyn found Chicago’s Michael Walker (20-2, 12 KOs) no easy touch as they took it to the eight round-limit. Jacobs was the taller and seemingly bigger fighter but could not muster enough power to discourage Walker, who had his moments. The judges scored it 80-72 twice and 79-73 for Jacobs but every round was hard fought.
Prelims
Russia’s Matt Korobov (5-0, 5 KOs) faced a veteran of 34 professional fights in Anthony Bartenelli (20-13-2, 13 KOs) of Phoenix. It didn’t matter as he quickly showed his boxing superiority and stopped him at 2:15 of the second round of a middleweight fight. A five-punch barrage knocked down the Arizonan. He recovered but was met with another burst of punches that forced referee Robert Byrd to stop the fight.
Korobov’s next fight will be in June on the Miguel Cotto-Joshua Clottey fight card in New York City.
A smattering of boos accompanied the decision win by Cuba’s Erislandy Lara (5-0, 3 KOs), not because he didn’t deserve the win over Louisiana’s Chris Gray (11-8), but the manner that he won a ho-hum junior middleweight fight. It wasn’t entirely his fault, Gray never allowed opportunities to engage and Lara was intent on landing that left hand all four rounds. It never connected. The judges scored it 40-36 for Lara.
Matthew Hatton (36-4-1, 13 KOs), the younger brother of Ricky Hatton, brawled and out-muscled former junior lightweight Ernesto Zepeda (39-12-4, 34 KOs) who now fights at welterweight. After eight rounds the judges ruled it 78-74 twice and 79-73 for Hatton. No knockdowns were scored.
Colorado’s Mike Alvarado, as his promoter Top Rank is priming for a showdown with a Golden Boy’s Victor Ortiz, won a widespread unanimous decision against Oakland’s fleet-footed Juaquin Gallardo in an eight round junior welterweight fight. Alvarado knocked down Gallardo in the second round with his powerful right hand but that was it. Most of the rounds saw Alvarado unable to catch up to the always-moving California fighter. The judges scored it 80-71 twice and 79-72 for Alvarado.
California’s Abner Mares (18-0, 11 KOs) returned to the ring after almost a year off due to an injury. The ring rust slowed his reflexes but he dominated Colombia’s Jonathan Perez (14-6, 11 KOs) in a bantamweight contest scheduled for eight rounds. The Colombian fighter gave in at the end of the sixth round.
“I don’t know if you heard, I had a serious eye surgery but the doctors gave me the green light thanks to God,” said Mares, who last fought in June 2008 at Morongo Casino. “My hand speed wasn’t there but we wanted to get the rounds in and he gave me that.”
Mares is ranked number five in the world according to computer rankings.
Bernabe Concepcion (29-1-1, 17 KOs) fought a nip and tuck conservative battle against Colombia’s heavy-handed Yogli Herrera (21-9, 15 KOs) in a featherweight bout. No knockdowns were scored in the six round affair, but it was the Filipino fighter who pressed the fight. The scores were 60-54 for Concepcion.
Another Manchester, England fighter, Joe Murray (2-0) dominated California’s Missael Nunez (4-8-2) with a four round featherweight unanimous decision 39-35 according to all three judges.
Omar Chavez (15-0-1, 11 KOs), the second oldest son of Mexico’s great Julio Cesar Chavez, used his father’s familiar weapon of destruction with a left hook to the body that ended Tyler Ziolowski’s (11-7, 6 KOs) night in a junior lightweight bout.
A replay of the Pacquiao-Hatton fight will be shown Saturday May 9, at 6:30 p.m. PT. on HBO.
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blue4cor:
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Manny's win over Oscar wasn't a fluke. They didn't believe him. Now the proof is clearer than the brightest star in the galaxy.
Sunday May 3, 2009 06:54:41 AM
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Anonymous user:
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In retrospect, PacMan's demolition of Hatton actually makes Oscar's lasting through 8 rounds look much better.
Sunday May 3, 2009 07:12:06 AM
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Yuvie:
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Everyone has their own opinion on the matter but as a balanced and I will also call myself a 'fan' of boxing, I gotta say Pacquiao is the best. How can you question him unless you just flat out hate him. I can't think of anyone who started at flyweight and still can manage to knock out cold the lineal light-welter champion & make a guy at welterweight quit (Even if he was weight drained, that's his problem, if you don't come in healthy then that's your problem, Oscar should of just called the fight off if he felt that weight drained). People questioned Pac for going up to such a high weight division but he did the business and that's what counts. He's beaten some popular names. He goes out there and entertains and he's still humble. He doesn't have to brag and boast and throw his money around like a spoilt brat. He might not be on the same skill level as a guy like Mayweather and it might show when they fight but you can bet that he has the heart to give up all advantages just to make this fight happen.
Sunday May 3, 2009 07:30:57 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Very well said Yuvie, i think we all know who is not a real fan of the sport. If May gets pass Marquez which i believe he can then my prediction for Pacquiao-Mayweather "Fight of the Century" is Pacquiao by split decision.
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:03:41 AM
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PURE INSTINCT:
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i realized something, i think the reason why ODLH lasted 9 rounds with pacquaio, is because manny respects him a lot because he (manny) idolized him so much, he was his inspiration for boxing. But in this case no disrespect for (ricky hatton) manny want's to proove something that his previous fight with ODLH is no fluke. And he is really the number 1 pound 4 pound champion of the world.
Thanks Manny "PACMAN" Pacquiao for making us filipinos proud again. We all shine because of u.
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:06:17 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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I agree with anonymous user and blue4, I bet D.Diaz and Oscar feel more better with their performance after watching this fight. My p4p list: 1.Pacquiao T2.Mayweather Jr and Marquez 3. Mosley 4.Cotto 5.P.Williams
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:13:22 AM
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dys:
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it was a shame hatton lost so quickly, i agree it makes de la hoya look really good now, but i don't think ricky was bad, i think manny was awesome! cemented his name as p4p champion
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:30:46 AM
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Radam G aka PRG collecting big moola - luvin' it:
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Nothin' but luv. Creme de la creme! The cream of the crop always rises to the top. What will be AGOAT's next stop? Let the excitement build. Enough said. Holla!
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:35:08 AM
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aaron:
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If Pacquiao's the best, then it's time to fight Medgoen Sigsurat and Rustico Torrecampo and avenge his two KO losses. Then have a trilogy with Juan Manuel Marquez.
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:48:48 AM
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DaveB:
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Yuvie, you say it best. I agree with all you said but the part that Pac may not be on the skill level of Mayweather. Mayweather came up the ranks and fought in the higer weight groups, not everyone can. Now Marquez and Pacquaio are doing the same thing. After watching their fights over the last couple of months I think I have to re-evaluate things because I am very impressed with these two guys and I'm thinking that Mayweather will not have an easy time with them. Congrats to #1 Pacfan and Radam G. Pacquaio is some great fighter. Who else can throw a hard punch and slip one at the exact same time?
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:50:19 AM
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ali:
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ANNONYMOUS: #1PACFAN: I wish I could see yall faces when Mayweather beats Pac.
Sunday May 3, 2009 10:11:49 AM
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ali:
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Jo: Mayweather has fought somebody like him Zab Judah he's a southpaw he''s fast and has punching power. Now he does'nt have the heart or conditioning of Pac and Zab did give him Floyed problems. But thats what makes Mayweather great he knows how to ajust. Hatton did'nt Oscar could'nt cause he was drain the only figher that could was able to ajust was Marquez and you see the problem he had with him. Mayweather is way better then Marquez and he going to prove it July 18.
Sunday May 3, 2009 10:29:30 AM
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boxklinic5:
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Ali: can't wait t see your face when Mayweather can't even get through little Marquez... @140 and under id bet the farm Pac or even Marquez kills Mayweather. @145 Mayweather might have a chance based on his size.
Sunday May 3, 2009 10:56:49 AM
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so many haters out there. why not admit that pac is the best? after he beat odh they said odh was drained. now there is talk about pac avenging his previous losses. those were when he was a kid, a flyweight. u all saw what he did to hatton. he will do the same to anybody else that steps in the ring with him. floyd will try to hide. but how and where? this pac is a daredevil he will catch up to his prey and eat him alive. give props to greatness and try not to hate so much, it really does make life easier.
Sunday May 3, 2009 11:03:53 AM
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MisterLee:
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blue4cor, i like your writing, keep it up! meant to say it in your prediction for the fight!
Sunday May 3, 2009 11:48:08 AM
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andy from CROWcastle:
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Yep, and Liverpool beat us 3-0, sending us closer still to relegation. My weekend is DONE. Toonoy
Sunday May 3, 2009 12:17:23 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King" :
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Ali, you're entitled to your own opinion as long as it has nothing to do with comparing who's a superior race. I don't know abot ya'll but i'm heading to Vegas for Manny's next fight which could be his last.:( I hope not, there are more fights out there for him. He can fight Cotto, Mosley, Ortiz, Marg, and Marquez winner or loser. Pacquiao-Mayweather "Fight of the Century"
Sunday May 3, 2009 12:37:43 PM
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MisterLee:
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Andy from NEWcastle. The match is over and done! Don't dwell on it man. It's all good. Just one plate of crow per person. I'd go back and feed some crow to all the naysayers in the past posts, especially the ones who said you'd have to be an idiot to think Manny would win, but who wants a sore winner? We all win and lose, crow comes served with the territory. Pc out!
Sunday May 3, 2009 01:31:15 PM
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Boxer:
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I have a feeling Juan Manuel Marquez will beat Mayweather especially after what Manny did to Hatton. Mayweathers gonna be rusty after the layoff.
Sunday May 3, 2009 01:51:32 PM
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MisterLee:
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No disrespect to JMM, but I don't think he has the speed, nor power to really hurt or get to Mayweather. Mayweather might have some ring rust, but who's gonna push the fight? JMM works best side stepping and countering, and mayweather works best as a defensive fighter in the pocket doing his shoulder roll, moving and getting points, and countering. JMM is a feather weight like pple pointed out, Mayweather is a welterweight that can go jr middleweight. I think it'll be an uninteresting UD for Mayweather. Mayweather is still cherry picking his opponents. JMM deserves the payday, but he's gonna make a fool outta everything he did before by challenging a bigger guy and losing big. Pacquiao did well b/c he punches harder than Margarito and is one of the fastest boxers in the sport now. JMM doesn't have the pop nor the speed of pacquiao. Mayweather has a good chin, so he won't be hurt, and mayweather wil probably UD or late round TKO marquez. too bad, i liked marquez at lightweight. See ya!
Sunday May 3, 2009 01:59:41 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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For now, this moment belongs to Manny Pacquiao. In a fight of this magnitude, the man has responded to the with a victory as definitive and destructive as in in boxing history. Rarely will we see a punch so explosive, a victory so profound. With all that has be said, I find the silence in it's wake to be deafening. pc
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:00:10 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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Arum has just said that he expects Manny's next fight to be with......Miquel Cotto !!!
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:07:55 PM
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Yuvie:
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Cotto vs Pacquiao is a great fight but we're forgetting one thing.........Clottey. Cotto could easily lose to Clottey. I'd say Pac has a chance against Cotto but after two fights into the higher weights, we still don't know how well Pacquiao's gonna take a flush welterweight punch.
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:30:26 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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Right on every point, Yuvie. We just don't know. Yet. But before Cotto gets to try his hand he does indeed have to meet and beat Clottey. No easy feat. Also, Arum is probably baiting Floyd for leverage. He knows that Floyd will over-reach in negotiations. this is his way of telling him to take what a lower percentage or risk losing the biggest draw in boxing; a fight with Manny. Arum's no fool. It's a very smart tactic.
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:46:28 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Arum is no fool, he is bluffing May Jr. to get the levarage of negotiation deals when the fight materializes. May Jr. might.just price himself out of this one. Pacquiao-Cotto would be an exciting fight but one problem, if Manny beats Cotto he might not get the.credit for the win, critics will just say that Marg already exposed him and that he's a totally different fighter. But would still be a good fight.
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:46:28 PM
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Fe'ROZ :
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With the speed of a Pacman cross, our words just flew past ech other at the same time #1 Pacfan. pc
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:48:13 PM
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are you kidding me our comment sounds very similar and i didn't see your post before mine got approved. weird
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:49:32 PM
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MisterLee:
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Yuvie, you're right, and Manny will not and cannot take a real welterweight punch from Cotto or mosley. That's why they're a scary bet, Cotto has one weakness, his chin, but the risks are high b/c he can break one of manny's ribs with one punch, or in one of his fights, was it pinto or urkal, that cotto dislocated or messed up a guys shoulder from so many left hooks. It's gotta be a gimick, b/c manny can be badly hurt, he can fight SOME welterweights, but not the kind with crazy power and speed and skill to match it too. I watched some vids of Rashad Holloway training, doen't his movements mimick pacquiao a little bit and his quickness? I guess it's waht you get from being pac's chief sparring partner. I wish him luck. Angulo el perro will put to sleep "the killer" or whatever Kermit's name is. Pc out!
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:51:30 PM
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brownsugar:
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according to a newsbyte on ESPN BOXING, Hatton admits being led by his "heart" instead of his "head", when he decided to go in Gunz-Blazing against Pacman while tossing all caution and defense into the wind last night,.. ...apparently that wasn't the plan that his trainer invisioned,.. as Hatton seemingly lacked the poise to retain his professionalism in the face of such a huge event.
But a loss of this magnitude doesn't need to undergo any debate,..or excuses
Don't overlook Juan Manuel Marquez,. as he is at the very least the equal of Pacman in many ways,.. JMM has shown incredible tenacity, stamina, improvisation, and determination in every fight that he's participated in,.. he is by no means an easy or guaranteed loser against Mayweather,.. yes there is a size factor working towards Mayweathers advantage,.. but some of these little guys seem to have a way of "swelling -up" to the competition once you take them off their weight-making diets,..
Manny vs Cotto is just crazy,.. meaning it's an incredibly crazily popular match-up for the fans,.. but for Manny,.. it's a very risky move,.. Mayweather would be better as he is a smaller WW,. but I think this is more about boxing politics and Arum remaining in control of the money than it is about Manny ducking Mayweather (should PBF he win his next fight)
Lets see if Cotto gets past Clottey first,.. ... there's no mention of Manny vs Clottey in the event that Joshua wins.
Sunday May 3, 2009 02:57:18 PM
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Yuvie:
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Fe'roz & MisterLee: It just goes to show how well Pacquiao is maturing, who would have thought that he wouldn't take at least one decent punch from Hatton. You'd have to give him at least the punchers chance against Cotto because of his chin but once again, Pacquiao would be going into the fight as the underdog. Arum isn't stupid and I don't think they should let Mayweather dictate the negotiations. Let Mayweather wait, he must realize that he's the one waiting in line to fight Pacquiao.
Sunday May 3, 2009 03:00:34 PM
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ali:
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BOXKLINIC: Don't bring up the the size it has nothing to do with it looks like you have built in excuses that means you know Marquez is get his butt whoop. Skills win fights most of the time and there both boxer punchers. I hope Pac camp don't get scared and fight Mosley or Cotto I have a feeling they going to say Mayweather priced himself out to make it seem like they ain't scared. One more thing do anybody know what what weight did Marquez & Mayweather agree on.
Sunday May 3, 2009 03:02:16 PM
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oskar:
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I like Manny to fight Cotto or Mosely 1st to make history but I think they would prefer Cotto because his with Top rank after that the winner of Marquez/Mayweather Jr. to seal the deal.
Sunday May 3, 2009 03:21:23 PM
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MisterLee:
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A funny quote from a friend, not my thoughts at all and I give cheers to both fighters for bringing their best: "Manny Pacquiao opens a serious can of whoop a$$ on Ricky Has-been! Who's next in the queue, Britain? Susan Boyle?"
Sunday May 3, 2009 04:42:59 PM
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Yuvie:
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ali: I think they agreed to fight at 144.
Sunday May 3, 2009 04:51:22 PM
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Yuvie:
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Who's next for Britain.........next up to the plate, Haye & Khan. We may only have Froch as our only real prospect by August. Can anyone smell Khan vs Hatton happening? This is the only fight I can see Ricky making if he decides to carry on.
Sunday May 3, 2009 05:08:42 PM
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MisterLee:
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Amir Khan is one helluva fighter I have to say based on what I saw from the Barerra fight, however, I wonder wt heck is he doing in jr. welterweight division? I feel if you cannot hang with the best in a division, you need to back down. Margarito couldn't hang in Jr. middleweight, so he went down. Hatton, and esp. victor ortiz would tear through Amir Khan. Froch taylor was the surprise fight in the last month. I think penalosa lopez, and winky williams came out like others expected, but froch taylor? Froch really pulled it out. Also, cocky frochy seemed to be the larger man in the ring, with broader shoulders and bigger bone structure. He seemed to tower over tayor size wise. I think frochy could hang with pavlik and abraham. After watching abraham fight miranda twice, i think he is overrated. His highlights make him look great, but he is seriously flawed as a top tier fighter. I also don't like how he falls off balance every time he throws a wide hook. Pc out! OH yeah, and Hayemaker seems to have what it takes to be a star, the style and personality, tho i haven't seen him fight, if he wins, he has potential. pc out!
Sunday May 3, 2009 05:33:36 PM
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I wish amir khan would just fight casamayor, katsidis, juan diaz and all those guys. It would be exciting. So who's nate campbell fighting next? Angulo cintron anybody? what round is it gonna end? I think angulo can take on the punisher, what do you think? Pc out!
Sunday May 3, 2009 05:35:05 PM
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andy from CROWcastle:
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Mister Lee, that was a FUNNY quote. Actually, I think old Boylie could give Manny a run for his money- at least in the facial hair department. Toonoy
Sunday May 3, 2009 06:22:23 PM
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Peter Egley:
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I didn't even see the fight, and really have no idea who Floyd Mayweather, Jr. or Manny Pacquiao or (lol) Ricky Hatton are, but with Pac-Man retiring superstar Oscar De La Hoya and giving this Hatton a frightening pounding, and Mayweather pulling a Ray Leonard, it seems like Superfight time, something to get excited about for the general public. And the heavyweight division is perking up with the extremely intelligent and articulate David Haye. Again, I've not seen a live Haye fight, but whichever KlitschKO brother (no disrespect intended, I'm just not sure which one is which) Haye gets in the ring, I hope to see that one. Good times. Also: Dawson-Tarver May 9 with Melissa "Huracan" Hernandez on the card.
Sunday May 3, 2009 07:02:38 PM
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ali:
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Yuvie: good looking out
Sunday May 3, 2009 08:00:32 PM
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vjoe:
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I just figured out who Pacquiao reminds me of (off his last two bouts and only based on his behavior inside the ring)....prime Roberto Duran. Am I crazy? I don't think so and if I'm right, a Pretty Boy Floyd versus Pacman matchup could well be Leonard-Duran I redux in 2009. How sweet it is!
Sunday May 3, 2009 08:13:19 PM
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MisterLee @ vjoe:
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Hey Vjoe! Interesting comparison. In my opinion, there are some differences between Pacman and "Manos de piedra" (hands of stone). First, Duran was totally fearless and some what of a quicky brawler, which is a tradition in latin warriors. I think Manny's assault is/was a little more calculated. Tho both packed a lot of power in their punches, I believe Duran depended more on his knockout power to win, and Manny depends more on his speed. I also feel that Duran is one of those who would take a punch to give a punch, and I feel throughout Manny's career, even tho he liked to trade, he never got hit all that much and he never had the attitude of openly wanting to take punishment (ie- Mayorga or even Margarito). Duran was scary at lightweight kinda like how mosley was. Just utterly dominant. Also, I think Leonard liked to throw more bombs and power shots than Pretty Boy floyd. However, to PBF's favor, he had better defense, probably better fundamentals, and equal if not having a slight edge in handspeed. But I think Leonard was more offensive minded, flashy, crowd pleasing and showboating, and he really knew how to put punches together... 5 punches... a string of 12-15 punches unanswered... ring IQ wise I believe they were equals. Leonard Duran one was vicious, Duran just tore away at leonard, and he was so hungry. It's hard to find a comparison for Duran b/c on one hand he was so raw, but he was also fast, and just had such a warrior mentality, similar to that of Aaron the hawk Pryor, hands similar Julio Caesar Chavez, and speed almost comparable to prime Mosley. That's a fun comparison, however, like I say, no matter the build up.. it's always fight night that determines if it's a even war and legendary night or a mismatch. No one would have thought mosley marg would be such an exciting whoopin', or that froch taylor would be a must see, and honestly i thought cotto marg was going to be all Cotto and like 8th round tko. The Fight of the Century (dlh pbf) was a flop, and the Dream Match was a mismatch, so we'll see where the Fight Gods take us, O Ares, god of war, or general kwan, lead us the way :). Pc out!
Sunday May 3, 2009 08:40:46 PM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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Nice comparison Vjoe and good dissecting on a different view MisterLee. I agree that Manny relies more on his speed at this stage of his career. But he was a take a punch to give a punch in the lower weight classes(118-126 and Morales trilogy) where he should he had a solid chin. MisterLee, you are truly making a name for yourself on here, much props.
Sunday May 3, 2009 09:52:09 PM
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Jonald:
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A true SUPERFIGHT exists and is on the table - PacMan v. Floyd. Make it NOW. No hesitation and BS. Make it now for the biggest bucks for each and the Ring Magazine P4P title TRULY at stake. This is a once in a decade opportunity. Make it NOW with JMM guaranteed step aside cash and first dibs at the victor.
Sunday May 3, 2009 10:20:43 PM
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Bloodyfool:
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At least now, ODL and Diaz has redeem themselves. They are thought to be old and below class,boxing expert humiliated them. Now they can be proud that at least they were able to fight Manny for 8 rounds. This hatton,younger,stronger yet will only last for 2 rounds. Yes to Pacman...Great P4P....
Sunday May 3, 2009 11:05:05 PM
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Cotto would not be a too much of a problem against Pacquiao. The fact is, Cotto fought Paulie and Gomez who were at best C+ fighter and Cotto couldn't even KNOCK them out. Cotto have shown weakness against a south paw stand and speed guy. PAC possessed all the traits and attributes to beat Cotto. And Cotto fight in front unlike PBF. So that is why Freddie' thinks Cotto is pleasing opponents assuming Cotto agrees to fight PAC at a catchweight at 143 or 144. This is not to disrespect Cotto status either.
Sunday May 3, 2009 11:22:55 PM
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marc:
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Hey Aaron, where in the map can you find those names you mentioned? You're way of base, man. Those guys, I believe, are back driving tricycles.
Sunday May 3, 2009 11:37:57 PM
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klinikgym:
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Ali- you are a fool if you say size will not matter between a bout between 2 great fighters Mayweather-JMM. Mayweather is smart and knows the extra weight advantage would help. I use to love Mayweather but fighting JMM at 144 is a joke! If 135 is really Mayweather's natural weight, why not fight at 135?? JMM is a natural featherweight for crying out loud! sad to say, but i'm starting to believe all you Mayweather Naysayers. JMM and Pacman dont avoid ANYONE and will move up 20lbs. their natural weights to fight! TRULY GREAT CHAMPS! cannot say the same about mayweather.
Sunday May 3, 2009 11:49:57 PM
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Ang Dakilang Panday:
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It's been said before that Manny wouldn't have a chance against ODLH. But what happened to the Golden Boy? He retired after taking a beating from the Pacman- he retired as a bronze! Again, experts said Pacman couldn't take the punch of the Hitman. What happened to the Hitman? He was down twice in the opening round and did not get up from a single punch on the second. PBF defeated both these guys but not as spectacular as Pacman did considering that P4P King moved up in weights! In boxing speed is power but what if the speed is coupled with power? ODLH was not able to see Pacman moving in and out of him and the world saw that. Nacho who was very confident that his ward would beat Pacman easily told ODLH that PAcman was too fast for him. Now, some of you are telling that Pacman couldn't take Cotto's punch I would say that it should be the other way around: Cotto wouldn't see Pacman's punches but he would be a little richer after the fight when he receives his paycheck for serving as Pacman's punching bag. You can bet on that. On PBF? the mouth wouldn't make him win against Pacman, instead hismouth would be forever sealed when he gets a beating from the Man-ny!
Monday May 4, 2009 01:18:52 AM
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Marco Polo:
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JMM vs PBF = boring fight..
MP vs MC = 50/50.. exciting and chillin fight
Monday May 4, 2009 01:58:48 AM
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marck2009:
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Manny will never lose even against Mayweather Jr., nor Cotto or Mosley. I respect all these boxers for they are truly great and they've all been my favorite boxers, too. But i believe Pacman will emerge victorious against Mayweather Jr, Mosley and/or Cotto comes fight time.
Monday May 4, 2009 03:20:29 AM
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MIsterLee:
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#1 Pacfan! Sup! It ain't about the name. It's about learning more about boxing and finding the different angles. I truly 'preciate bouncing ideas with you guys. It's fun. I can't to learn more in a real gym someday. I wanna learn it all, stick and move, pressuring and cutting corners, countering, etc. Anyway, you know, the way hatton was KO'd, I can' t find a comparison unless it's like a heavyweight match. KO'd cold.... the only fight I can think of in recent history, and maybe Vjoe brought it out of me, Hearns Duran 1. Hearns creamed him with that right hand and he just fell on his face. That's what pac hatton reminds me of, if not worse. I'm still in shock that Manny hooked with his Manilla Ice more than he jab and straight lefted... and DOES anybody else want to give credit to Michael Moorer for having Manny doing the right hook and slip punch. In one of the 24/7 he pointed out that after Manny right hooks his head follows the punch, but that he should not keep it stationary. That may have saved the fight! Pc out! :)
Monday May 4, 2009 04:53:55 AM
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Mizuno:
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The Pacquiao-Hatton match was not about race vs. race. It was about two professionals trying to overcome challenges they set for themselves. Pacquiao beating Hatton should in no way be an indicator as to who is the superior race, but just an indicator about the ability of one professional to train, focus and implement a strategy that's thought about and modified until fight night comes. While I am a Filipino and a solid Pacquiao fan, we should not take anything away from Hatton's accomplishments. Respect whether for the victor or for a fallen opponent is the true gauge of sportsmanship, no matter how brutal the sport may be. We should wish both Pacquiao and Hatton well no matter where they decide to take their careers.
Monday May 4, 2009 06:11:05 AM
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rudy:
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Great win for Manny!!! Beatdown!!!!!!!!!
Monday May 4, 2009 10:10:18 AM
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Fe'ROZ :
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This KO has few comps. Frazier's devastation at the hands of Foreman in Jamaica has some resonance. Top fighters in a huge fight with a frightening and summary ending. But Joe stayed on his feet. Hagler was never in the same full control of his fight with Tommy. When he got cut, he let loose, fearing a stoppage on cuts. The result was the same but the motive and process much different. RJJ getting shocked and cold cocked by Tarver and then by Johnson. Booth shots were brutal and definitive. Roy was never the same. Nor can Ricky ever be.
Monday May 4, 2009 10:49:05 AM
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Fe'ROZ :
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@ Mizuno. Great and true words. pc
Monday May 4, 2009 10:51:36 AM
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MisterLee:
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Tarver Jones! How could I have forgot!... musta forgot!! :) hahaha... yeah man... but in June, it's all "Bad" Chad Dawson, it's gonna be Dawson's Creek! :)....
Monday May 4, 2009 11:24:25 AM
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Rico of Quezon City:
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that is what u call "PRECISION PUNCHIN'." so Manny be ready 4 any clock endorsements, etch....
Monday May 4, 2009 11:42:54 AM
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Real Talk:
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I don't understand how anyone can talk down about Pacman .....unless yousa hater . May aint seen anybody like Pacman and vice versa . If May has still got it then we're on a collision course for on of the greatest fights of all times !!!!! Holla Back !!!!
Monday May 4, 2009 11:55:46 AM
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Real Talk:
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Even if May doesn't have it anymore (which I think he does) we're on a collision course for Pacman vs Dinamita III . It's a win/ win . Dueces
Monday May 4, 2009 11:58:28 AM
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#1 Pacfan "P4P King":
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I'm with Real Talk!!!Manny's all over the news latetly, he was on front headlines of CNN online, that hasn't happened in a long time. Boxing is back on the map pple's and it's just getting better.
Monday May 4, 2009 06:02:01 PM
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Smiley C:
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Boxing has never been off the map. Don't believe the hype. Fo' sure!
Monday May 4, 2009 06:17:18 PM
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Marco Polo:
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I really like this quote from a boxing writer in BBC(not so sure hehe). he is describing pacquiao as
"a fighter of stunning pace and astonishing balance in the art of throwing a punch of genuine power and timing
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Monday May 4, 2009 07:44:01 PM
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MisterLee:
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My favorite quote: "Vitali Tsypko is not a bad fighter, but everything else being equal, you can’t expect the son of a vascular surgeon to beat a Mexican who used to work in a Jack in the Box. It’s not a fair fight. …" Andy from Newcastle, I liked your Geordie joke. It's even better than your Don King joke, that was a hard one to top! :)
Monday May 4, 2009 08:12:51 PM
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czepel:
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"Weight drained", "shot", "old", and now Hatton saying if only the fight had lasted longer it could have been different. All the excuses in the world won't change the fact that Barerra, Morales, Marquez, dela hoya , and Hatton were "owned " by Manny Pacquiao. Soon it will include other familiar names. Can't wait for the next one!
Monday May 4, 2009 09:55:34 PM
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Peter Egley:
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It's good to have heroes. lol I know I have them. Pacquiao was a huge favorite over Hatton and a huge underdog to De La Hoya. It's cool that Pac is getting attention. I've not had a chance to see him fight yet but hope to, maybe against Mayweather who I've never seen fight yet either. De La Hoya is just about the last superstar that I was familiar with.
Tuesday May 5, 2009 03:49:52 AM
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MisterLee @ peter:
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Yo dude! You sound like a fight fan. Do you live under a rock? You've seen none of these guys at all? Come on! Do me a favor and watch a few fights. You'll see the storm. I'll even give you links, downloads, youtube vids if you need. Pc out!
Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:10:02 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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