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Thursday Mar 12, 2009

Oscar smiles after Kirkland gets it done. Did the boos hurt the Golden Boy more than he let on? Will that reception spur him to fight one more time, to go out on a high note?

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De La Hoya Hears It From The Boobirds

By Raymond Markarian

During the HBO BAD event in San Jose this past weekend, I witnessed one of the strangest scenes in my 27 years of existence as a sports fan. Oscar De la Hoya was booed… and booed loudly. 

De la Hoya was not only mocked when he walked into the ring to congratulate his fighter, James Kirkland, on a knockout victory. The Los Angeles native was ridiculed by the thousands in attendance each time his name was mentioned by the ring announcer. 

At most boxing events, there is plenty of downtime in between bouts. So, instead of watching a mascot jump through a hula-hoop, boxing fans have a choice to run to the concession stand, or sit and stare at the ring announcer stand alone inside of the ring until the next fight begins. 

In order to bring a rise out of the crowd, the ring announcer points out notable celebrities in the audience. On that night, men like Lennox Lewis, Harold Lederman, and local favorite Andre Ward were in attendance at The Tank in San Jose, Ca, and all received a warm applause.

When it was De la Hoya’s turn to be presented, the crowd was not pleasant.

As the elephant in the room was being introduced, jeering was immediate. De la Hoya left his seat and awkwardly walked towards the squared circle. When he slipped between the ropes, wearing a tight black leather jacket, and casual jeans, it felt like I was witnessing Barry Bonds rounding the bases at Dodger Stadium. The guy did not even leave the neutral corner. You would suspect a notable boxing celebrity to stand in the center of the ring in a tipping-of-a-cap-type of appearance. 

But De la Hoya just walked between the ropes raised his hand halfway for a few seconds, heard the despising crowd jeer his name, and went back down the steps that entered the ring. 

What a difference a decade makes. In 1999, Oscar De la Hoya was a media darling. The most popular fighter in boxing at the time was a crossover star, an aspiring musician, and his boxing career was booming, fresh off a comeback victory against the undefeated Ike Quartey.  

But in 2009 the Golden Ticket is seen as damaged goods in the eyes of a portion of the boxing community. 

It was difficult to determine whether the crowd in San Jose was upset about his last performance, an 8th round knockout loss to Manny Pacquiao or they finally saw through the past few years of Oscar De la Hoya’s fighting career and felt cheated.   

Since that gut check against Quartey, De la Hoya’s record is 9-6. That is not exactly a resume of an elite fighter. But he was and still is probably the most popular figure in the sport today.

Should we blame him for losing against the pound for pound elite? Probably not… over the last ten years, De la Hoya has lost three times to the men that were at the time, considered to be the top P4P fighters in the world (Hopkins, Mayweather, and Pacquiao.) 

And De la Hoya was the underdog in two of those fights. Against Pacquiao, De la Hoya got old overnight. In boxing this is common. Let me be frank, questioning a man’s commitment is borderline insulting. However, boxing fans have a right to be bitter about our favorite fighters especially when they pull a no show.

Hearing the disapproving crowd in San Jose must have struck a nerve for De la Hoya. He knows why they were upset. I believe that the fighter inside of De la Hoya wanted to please them. But the hunger to be a fighter is not there anymore.

The desire to fight may still be with De la Hoya, but the preparation it requires to become a fighter is no longer present. 

James Kirkland, the man that knocked out Joel Julio last Saturday is a great example of a fighter that wants it. His seek and destroy style screams “watch me.” His commitment to become a champion is clearly evident. And his confidence seems unshakable. 

Fight fans are aware De la Hoya had that same fire at one time, or else they would not be upset. The Oscar De la Hoya that charged out of the corner in the 12th round in an attempt to behead Ike Quartey was the last time the Golden Boy’s hunger matched his talent.  

In my opinion, in order for boxers to make the big bucks, two things are needed to be successful: hunger and talent. Talent is what turns a contender into a world champion. But, when the hunger is gone, talent does not really matter. 

Speak to an unknown fighter that desires glory and you will hear the right things. They want to be recognized. You won’t just hear them, you will feel them. Then watch them fight. 

Studying a hungry fighter that has what it takes to be a champion is like witnessing a starved tiger racing to find a meal. Hungry fighters have ambition. They strive to succeed, to be famous, and to be regarded as the best. But when the lights turn on, and the cash comes in, sometimes things change. 

Call it human nature at its finest form. Some of the greatest fighters in the current era have fallen victim to fame. I am sure Oscar De la Hoya’s decision to continue fighting would not be as difficult if he was having trouble paying his mortgage. 

The 1994 version of Roy Jones that defeated James Toney was much more determined than the 2004 version that lost to Glen Johnson. 

The image of a weeping Floyd Mayweather Jr. after his sound beating of Diego Corrales transcended his career. After the fight, there was little talk of “Money May,” Lamborghini cars, and most of his other pecuniary indulgences. Mayweather spoke about the next challenge. 

And that is who hardcore boxing fans are searching for, hungry fighters that seek tougher competition. 

Granted, De la Hoya, Jones, and Mayweather have been to the mountain top and they are sure fire Hall of Famers. 

But at one time, they were like James Kirkland. At one time, they were hungry. 

The old saying goes,  with more money comes more problems. For fighters, the problem with becoming wealthy is more complicated than paying extra bills every month. Fighters that sleep in silk pajamas have more problems with training, more problems with ambition in the gym, and more problems keeping the ego right-sized. 

So do not resent Oscar De la Hoya for quitting on his stool against Manny Pacquiao. Perhaps we should give him a pass for that showing him because he forgot what it is like to be a hungry boxer, a situation that all of us, given the opportunity, might too fall prey.

Slipping The Jab
I could not stop rewinding a YouTube clip of an argument between Rashad Evans and Rampage Jackson during UFC 96. The spat was clearly phony. When Jackson screamed “There is going to be some more “black on black crime,” I got flashbacks of watching a WWE Monday Night Raw episode. The only things missing from the stare-down was a steel chair and Jim Ross speaking about Rashad Evans’ demonic eyes.  I am not saying Evans vs. Jackson is not going to be a great fight. But good god almighty, please give me a break with all of the cheesy buildup. 

Questions or Comments Contact Raymond at Raymond.Markarian@yahoo.com
 
 
 

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Peter Egley:  De La Hoya lost a fight. Big deal. It happens. One of my fave heavyweights that I've witnessed during my life, Pinklon Thomas, had a brief run at the top, but that does not take way the fact that for a few years he was a top heavyweight and also a WBC Champion. Two of my other favorite fighters are Melissa "Huracan" Hernandez and "Amazing" Layla McCarter. They have met two times in the ring. In the first meeting, Huracan gave it everything she had I believe, but McCarter was like Buddy McGirt picking apart Frankie Warren in their rematch. But then Huracan came back, shook off the TKO loss, and turned the tables on McCarter, who didn't seem to be able to adjust the way Huracan seemed to have done. De La Hoya just got beat. He gave it his best shot.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 01:16:24 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P 2nd best behind Marquez:  Great article...I want to add something to this and it is that Oscar was still a hungry fighter, he just didn't eat enough before the fight. He felt that he would use that hunger as advantage but he forgot one thing he was fighting against "Pacman" who gobbles up his opponents.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 02:05:32 PM
ultimoshogun:  I think Oscar deserves alot more respect than he recieved that night. His whole career he has been fighting the best of the best of every weight division he tried to conquer & giving us great fights along the way. I've never been a big DLH fan, but you don't have to like someone to respect them. He has always been a class act. Like I once heard a man say, "the wolf on top of the hill isn't as hungry as the wolf climbing the hill".
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 02:18:03 PM
deepwaters:  People dont like delahoya becouse the way he was matched for such a long time. he was given hand picked opponants that were too small or past their prime. he bloodied old chavez but didnt beat him down. he beat up little gatti. and ran against tito for the last 4 rounds. props to delahoya for his win against quartey.other then that he was the boxer who won the most money ever by fighting the safest opponants
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 02:25:58 PM
Nacho:  De La Hoya did not lose his last fight...HE QUIT midway. After spending hundrends on Hotel and Flight to Vegas and spending a couple thousand for a pair of tickets to the fight..this Jerk quit in the 8th round. THATS WHY I HATE HIM AND WILL NEVER ATTEND OR BUY ANOTHER ONE OF HIS FIGHTS!. Was I too blunt?
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 02:32:03 PM
Yuvie:  In other news, didn't Hasegawa look good against Malinga yesterday? Hasegawa seriously needs to unify. Darchinyan/Montiel is a dream fight at Bantamweight but Hasegawa/Agbeko sounds just as good. I'd love to see those two get in the ring against eachother. Hasegawa and Agbeko's styles would mix nicely.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 02:50:23 PM
Rwynn:  I think Oscar will get back into the ring at least one more time. I wouldnt want to hear everyone calling me a chump if i was him.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 02:57:41 PM
Boxing Nut:  I was there in san jose that night, and as mexican-american, i booed, only because, why is oscar de la hoya great because he he lost every fight he shouldve won, and won every fight he shouldve never too ( chavez and vargas, why? why beat to fellow mexicans. and get humilatted by a puerto rican guy and a filipino guy) point is he uses his mexican followers to sell tickets and didn't come thru for them.period. his looks in the end is all he has.couldve been "greater" than what he is but fell short, he should labeled a good contender, not a p4p king. we're not on his bandwagon anymore. thank you manny pacquiao its your turn....
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 03:00:06 PM
lito ansures:  boooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! quiter!!!!!!!!!!!!!boooooooooooooooooo! GET it?
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 03:04:25 PM
boxingnut:  Just remember how stupid he sounded in 24/7 when he swore he wanted it and was hungry, he talks a good game every time, to sell tickets, and doesn't come thru, he didn't even try with pacman, we felt robbed, aftter that night you look back at his career, whats so good about oscar de la hoya. he said he would fight winner of margarito.cotto last summer, margarito put on a blood bath, and oscar ran to picka fight witrh a smaller pacman, and got whooped. he humiliated chavez and vargas, two mexicans, what was he scared margarito was gona do the same he did to chavez twice!! our mexican boxing icon!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 03:06:17 PM
Juan:  Mexicans, we are haters we love you but if you lose we hate you with the same passion, and is wrong.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 03:57:11 PM
zakilouise:  As bad as his showing in the last fight, than people might 've expected , like with almost all of his biggest fights that he messed up big time, I dont think ODLH deserved to be booooooooed like that. you win some, you lose some.. even great champions lose big time some time in their great career and be a "has been". But booing a legend like ODLH is I think inhumane; given all hes done to the sport of boxing..
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 04:12:48 PM
Rwynn:  I think Oscar will get back into the ring at least one more time. I wouldnt want to hear everyone calling me a chump if i was him.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 04:18:38 PM
Javier:  He has done so much for the Latino community specially for Mexicans in East Los angeles like Hospitals and money for the schools, and like somebody said alot for the sport too, i think he lost the fight because he took the wrong decicion of been smaller that Pacman for the fight, but all those people that were booing him are f....ig ignorants and idiots people with no education.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 04:38:06 PM
Javier:  You know whos gonna get boo next? Margarito, and if Marquez losses next too.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 04:39:28 PM
Fistic Fury:  Oscar has always fought the very best so I can't believe people say he is ducking opponents. He's 9-6 in recent years because 1) He is getting old and 2) When you fight the level of competition he has there's a good chance you will pick up afew defeats. He performed so badly against Pacman because it is a fight that should never have took place for one reason, weight. Oscar can't fight at 147lbs and Manny would have been at a disadvantage at 154lbs but the fight game has this obsession with sticking anyone who makes it to the top in the ring with the golden boy because that's where the huge money is. It's time to create a new Oscar, a new fighter who can be the big money man who the elite take on for life changing amounts and ironically with Oscar being the #1 promoter in the world today it may well be him who creates such star....
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 04:52:52 PM
MisterLee:  I agree with ultimoshogun. Oscar was never a favorite fighter of mine, and at one point in the early 2000's i recognized him as one of the top p4p, but yeah, he lost ONE fight, and yes, he shouldn't have fought a former flyweight, and then got crushed by him, but he was the "Golden Boy" still on December 5th, 2008. Kind of shows you too that the average person is a fair weather fan. Had he knocked out manny pacquiao, or even decisioned him, he would have had massive cheers. What a shame pple can't recognize him for what he did for the sport and the kind of opportunities he provided for fighters who were matched agst him. (a huge paycheck, instant fame, glory). Pc!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 04:58:28 PM
DaveB:  I'm glad it happened to DeLa Hoya. He got too greedy. The reason he decided to fight Pacquaio at welter was so the fight could be made $$$$. Him fighting a much smaller fighter wasn't right. The world economy is in trouble because of the same greed. It's not the first time and won't be the last time.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 05:07:01 PM
in touch :  it isn't that oscar quit -- it is, but it isn't that alone -- it's that he fought a guy that was much smaller than him. and then got his behind handed to him. the fact is he made a ton of money and chose to fight what he thought was the easiest challenge. if he had taken on cotto, williams or margarito and lost as badly as he lost to pac, nobody would be booing him. the booing comes not from the lose, but for his choice to take advantage of his position (to be able to take whatever fight he chose and get tons of money for it -- and at the end, having chosen the easiest path). what goes around comes around. odh has had his moment in glory. he has reaped the reward of being paid tons of money for fighting some sub-par opponents. he fought some good ones too. but i believe people feel ripped off by him for what he has been doing over the last 4 years. boxing fans are not stupid. well, not completely. :)
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 05:08:04 PM
Rwynn:  I think Oscar will get back into the ring at least one more time. I wouldnt want to hear everyone calling me a chump if i was him.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 05:08:58 PM
Rwynn:  I think Oscar will get back into the ring at least one more time. I wouldnt want to hear everyone calling me a chump if i was him.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 05:51:39 PM
boxingnut:  javier your the ignorant one, where is this money thats going back to east los angeles coming from??? ripping off his own people making them believe he's our representative in the sport. who buys his tickets, who go's to cheer him on everytime he gets whooped? i tell you i haven't seen a dime of his money up here in northern california, oakland to be exact, he might be helping his community but its our money he's using, have the dignity ansd respect to give us our money's worth!!!!!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 06:07:48 PM
boxingnut:  javier you mean ignorant like his colleague juan manuel marquez, who before his fight with diaz said his advantage was being 100% mexican, and juan diaz was only 50%, what kinda ignorant crap is that!!! knowing his boss is mexican american!! screw marquez too!!! keep them both, real mexican's are more proud of pacquiao coming from nothing helping an entire country!! thats what its about, and he kicked both the boss (ODLH) and the colleauge juan marquez butt... pacman is not ignorant nor cocky...go pacman!!! you deserve it more!!!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 06:13:12 PM
jun:  This is the way fans acts as if they were happy humiliating person as if de la hoya did not do anything in the boxing world, I mean fans have the right to cheer on someone who won the fight in same way people have no right to pin down again a person who was in his best way he should have fought that night but failed. Remember one thing in the Scriptures that gives merit to the person being humiliated in front of so many people and that de la hoya is more embraced and graced by God than the crowd who joined to booed him in that event. I am a Filipino among those who love boxing and proud what Manny Paqiuao's have done and contentious to do up to now but will also cheer him even when time comes of his fall in the boxing world so as the way I looked up high as De La Hoya's achievement in the sweet science of his rise and fall. jun
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 07:26:00 PM
boltas:  ODLH should not go to the ring when he presented his fighter, instead he should hide himself to aviod booed by his former fanatic boxing fans who were quit anger him when he quit to fight Manny Pacquiao in 8 rounds. Boooooooooooooooooooo...
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 07:31:40 PM
Par_5:  Prolly, those fans saw the "cake throwing" incidence. jajajaja. Serious. They were upset because Oscar was beaten by a fighter he personally handpicked that could probably gave him a graceful golden exit from boxing. I'm hoping for the best for Oscar. Continue your charity works and sooner these fans of yours will appreciate and remember you as the golden boy in boxing. Cheers!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 07:45:49 PM
powerpunch:  The reason why he was booed because he mentioned lately that pacman's punch was not able to hurt him, most of the pacman's fans was disappointed to what he just announced in one of the articles that he was inteviewed.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 07:50:21 PM
a g villanueva:  I have no respect for ODLH as a fighter. He should have retired from boxing if he really felt he has nothing more to give rather than to quit in the middle of a fight. Let me put it this way. The people may never realize they got bamboozled and robbed having paid a collective millions and millions of dollars only to watch PPV and the live fight for a half baked kind of show or a highly hyped boxing circus, whatever you may call it. We all know ODLH has shown a good deal of boxing greatness in the past and he possibly knew he can no longer "pull the trigger". Of course, we can not take the merits away from Pacquiao, he is the man to beat.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 08:51:41 PM
kingkittykitts:  oscar did not come that night with the idea of losing or giving the fight to pacquiao! its just something in his body just got stiffed and could not react. its like his body is willing but his brain not reacting! he got paralyzed mentally! maybe the sight of manny making those moves, weaving , moving side to side that makes him get stucked!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 09:13:01 PM
the roast:  oscar de la hoya will go down in history as one of boxings most popular fighters, not one of the best. oscar put more importance on $$$ than his place in history. going back a few years, he should never have fought floyd. he was NEVER gonna win that fight. speed kills. what he should have done was fight jermain taylor for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world. that would have been a win for oscar and improved his spot in boxing history. taylor is half a robot with that slingshot right hand. oscar would have outsmarted taylor and won the title at middle. he had already been welter champ. why did he do it? $$$$. maybe it's not too late. call out pavlik, oscar. he's half a robot too. more $$$$!!!!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 09:37:14 PM
in touch :  powerpunch, that comment could not have helped odh. it's a stupid thing to say, especially after he had to go to the hospital following the fight. comment like that shows jealousy. he's jealous that pac has taken all the glory away from him. and odh is not used to that. too bad. he's becoming a sad story.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 09:43:42 PM
jezi:  the only thing i can say, as a fan of both ODLH and Pacman, is if ODLH is planning a big retirement fight "again", he better not underestimate fighters like pacman or else hes going to end up hurt far worse than what he expects. and i'm not talking physical. Pacman ...your the best!!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 10:07:13 PM
Javier to boxingnut:  Hey when i was talking about ignorant people i was talking about people like you, s....ed, people like you make good and smart latinos look bad......iam pretty sure that everytime DLH fights you are the first one watching and going for him....
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 10:23:58 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG:  Wow! This is what happens with marginal fans. True fans don't boo a person who's brave enough to risk it all in that hurt square. Oscar made a big mistake because he believed that he would win. So did those fans who booed him. Nonetheless, they forget that they paid out of their hard-earned money to see Oscar perished. And despite all that booing, they will be at his next bout to see him in a stimulus victory, or even in another beatdown. Old habits are hard to break. Oscar is the Bill Gates of boxing. And those booing fans will keep crashing those gates to keep the Golden Boy weighted down deep in the pockets with moola. Holla!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 10:48:58 PM
MisterLee:  In touch, you make good sense what you are saying about DLH. Nice writing. Pple, it's not DLH or anyone's obligation to GIVE back to the pple. The fact that he does is great. I mean he's not a total slime ball otherwise he would not be popular to the public. He does give back, and no one is jumping down Don Kings' back, or Mike Tyson's back for not contributing, why put DLH at the center of the "giving back" controversy? The roast, Jermaine taylor is no longer the undisputed middleweight champion, it's Kelly Pavlik, and taylor is fighting as a super middleweight now, not at 160lbs like before. Anyway, as much as we hate, envy, or admire oscar, at the end of the day, he's got more money than us, a better career than us, has more sex with his hot wife than us, and will be better at business than us :). Not to say what we do is meaningless, just not "Golden." :)
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 10:54:11 PM
kim:  OSCAR DE LA HOYA IS NOT GOLDEN BOY ANYMORE! HE IS THE GOLDEN GIRL! THE BOXING FANS NOW IS NOT BLIND! THEY DONT SEE THEIR MONEY WORTH WATCHING OSCAR NOW! HE IS ALSO A SAFETY FIRST BOXER WHILE COLLECTING MILLIONS OF DOLLAR! IF HE IS REALLY GREAT HE SHOULD STEP IN THE RING ONE MORE TIME AND FACE JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. LET'S SEE! I LIKE CHAVEZ JR. KNOCK HIS BUTT! TO AVENGE THE LOST OF HIS FATHER!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 10:56:24 PM
MisterLee talkin' about MMA and making a longer label for once:  Yo yo... so just to let you guys know, Rampage Jackson PULLED out of the title fight b/c he has torn tendons in his jaw and it's somewhat broken from a previous fight with Wanderlei Silva. That means LYOTO MACHIDA, undefeated 14-0 FINALLY gets a championship fight against Rashad Evans who's also undefeated. I have to point out that Evans has a draw to TIto Ortiz, while Machida knocked down Ortiz twice, once with a knee to the face. And dominated TIto on the ground for a clear decision. It's about time, I feel the UFC has been shafting Machida over and over again for a more "exciting" prospect, even tho Rampage Jackson lost his previous title shot only last year to Forrest Griffin, why does he get to fight only one more fight for the title when Machida has knocked out and plowed through all his competition? He's beaten great fighters in BJ Penn, the first fighter to knock out Rich Franklin, Stephen Bonnar. I bet he could knock out Chuck Lidell with ease. Ok that's enough, sorry getting MMA crazy! Pc!
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 11:20:10 PM
Boxer:  I crack up at all these so called machos who get mad cause De La Hoya quit. If you have never taken a punch from a professional than you don't know what you're talking about. This guy took it from the best professionals in his time and always took on big challenges. Did he duck Tito, Quartey, Hopkins or Mosley. You guys dont know what your talking about if you're mad at him not going out after getting pummeled.
Thursday Mar 12, 2009 11:30:59 PM
isidro:  Did people talked to each other and agreed to boo Odlh?, that's absurd. To hear people they're booing somebody ,it got to be spontaneous feelings and reactions en mass.Nobody can say that those people are bad against ODLH ,that's the way how booing-feeling got felt and burst-out in a moment.Let it be as let it be if people are cheering too.Theyre the decent -type of booing crowd actually....watch the news.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 12:00:22 AM
nada:  oscar did his best against pacman, he knew pacman was too much so he quit, he wouldn't risk his health estupidos!
Friday Mar 13, 2009 01:00:43 AM
KA-BAR:  I have seen De La Hoya three times in person and he has always got a very good reaction from the crowd when he is introduced. When he was here in Houston for the Marquez/Diaz fight I heard a mixed response neither was overwhelming but it was noticeable but he just stood up from his seat smiled and waved at all corners of the arena. I think it was disgusting that there was such a lack of southern hospitality and respect for someone who helped bring such a big event here to Houston. Every boxing event I've been to in Texas was promoted by Goldenboy and they were all great shows and it seems to me they're the only ones putting up an effort to bring anything meaningful here. If I had to guess I'd say most of the people that are upset were the ones who bet large sums of money on De La Hoya to beat Pac and lost bigtyme and the others are just haters. That sounds harsh though to hear some booing from your own home state and I think that if anything brings De La Hoya back it'll be that but he still shouldn't do it. Time heals all wounds and I gurantee in a couple of years the Pacquiao loss will fade away just like the others and he'll get all the cheers and applause he use to get like nothing changed.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 02:30:32 AM
Ottog Hahn Matalam:  Mr. Raymond Markarian, I would like to joke and tell you that please don't link Donaire's brutal KO of your countryman Darchinyan to Pacquiao - De La Hoya's. I really can' believe that you said De La Hoya forgot what is like to be hungry that's why he lost to Pacquiao. We'll the irony is, a greedy one always feels hungry thats why he's greedy and never ever be contented. Just a suggestion - to redeem De La Hoya's lost glory to Pacquiao, all he has to do one more time and no more is to fight Chavez,Jr. I strongly believe that he can win this fight against Chavez,Jr.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 02:32:00 AM
SICMENO:  YEAH SOME PEOPLE WANNA SEE A FIGHTER JUST SATND THEIR AND TAKE PUNISHMENT AND RISK THEIR LIFE. WHY ? THE MAN HAS A FAMILY TO WORRY ABOUT. SHOW SOME RESPECT OSCAR HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR OUR PEOPLE, AND THESE IGNORANT FOOLS BOO HIM???YEAH THAT SOUNDS LIKE US MEXICANS. OH BUT DONT LET JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ SHOW UP SOME WHERE CUZ THEN IT WILL BE NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR HIM. WHAT DID HE EVER DO TO GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE? HE SPENT ALL HIS MONEY ON GIRLS, DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 09:59:11 AM
Markarian:  This article has nothing to do with Donaire or Darchinyan.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 10:24:14 AM
The Watcher:  Listen I am NOT as Oscar fan, I have said it many times on this site I NEVER thought he was a great fighter, he was just built up correctly. If he were not with Top Rank Promotions he wouldn't be were he is at. After that being said, the reason he lost to MP was that his body gave up on him. He hadn't fought at 147lb in over 10 years and when he came in at 142 he was screwed. His body shut down on him and that's why he only gained 2 pounds over night. His body didn't let him re-hydrate properly. That is the real reason why he looked like he did against MP. If he had fought at 154 he would have been OK but the fact is Oscar was a chicken and wanted to fight the smallest guy out there. I am glad they booed him as they did at the Staples Center when Mosley fought recently. Oscar has lost all the "BIG" fights, he was a decent fighter but nothing special. A good jab and forced bravery. Even though I would give him a shot against other decent old guys he isn't going to beat anyone in his prime so hang it up Chicken.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 11:53:05 AM
Javier to sicmeno:  you are right chavez did do shi...t. besides that he was s...pid
Friday Mar 13, 2009 02:04:48 PM
MisterLee:  Remember when Oscar said it would be an "embarassment" if he did not KO pacquiao? or was it "Devastating" ? Anyway, also we know on the Fillipino newspaper Edwin Valero, who is a southpaw and sparring partner for oscar before the pacquiao fight said this the week before the fight: "Oscar doesn’t like to work out,” the Venezuelan basher revealed through an interpreter Friday after the official weigh-in of the year’s biggest boxing event. Valero said he saw clips of Pacquiao’s training camp and felt that the Filipino ring sensation put in more work for the coming welterweight slugfest." “Oscar doesn’t like to run,” added the 27-year-old undefeated super featherweight. “Pacquiao is going to knock Oscar out.”
Friday Mar 13, 2009 03:31:36 PM
Yuvie:  Misterlee, I agee with your MMA comments about Machida. It's about time. Machida was almost shafted out of another shot at the title, now, thanks to Rampage (who I personally feel would lose to Machida or Evans) we finally get to see the best fight that can be made in UFC. Even if Rampage/Evans did go ahead, I wouldn't have been surprised if Dana White made the winner of Liddel/Shogun the next number 1 contender. Now the era of Machida begins.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 03:48:00 PM
Eastar:  Poor Oscar. He is a has been but can still get a big, "mega fight" at anytime with anybody. Who's gonna turn down a guaranteed $10 mil, even if you are washed up/out of shape? Nobody, that's who. Moonneeeyy
Friday Mar 13, 2009 04:29:34 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P 2nd best behind Marquez:  HAHAHAHA! Easter Bunny is back..You finally came out of the closet, what a coincidence. Where's the rest of the girls at?
Friday Mar 13, 2009 08:25:22 PM
Jody:  Because De La Hoya is fake. He's hoodwinked us all and continues to do so, to the detriment of the sport. Until titles matter again, this sport won't make it out of the "Other Sports" section behind tennis and competitive eating. De La Hoya is NOT a liberator of boxing, he's a wrecker of it! The people got to know, they got to know.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 08:30:55 PM
Misterlee:  Jody, i understand what you are saying, that dlh made a whole lot of money, and the whole pac fight was supposed to be an easy payday. However, no ONE forced any of you to open your wallets and buy it. Shoulda did what I did, just download it online the next day or watch it on youtube, or read a round by round by a boxing site. #1 pacfan, NICE comment. :) Yuvie, yoru right, machida rules. No other fighter is undefeated at his level. liddell and shogun? Actually, I think shogun USED to be amazing, like when he killed Rampage the first time. Ever since he moved out of Pride FC, he's bascially sucked big time. Maybe it's the fact that UFC doesn't allow foot stomps on the head or kicks when the opponent was down. That was his specialty. I'm no longer a fan of Shogun b/c he sucks now. Liddell got knocked out by rampage and then rashad evans, what more can he prove? guy needs to learn to put his hands up or do some defense. Pc!
Friday Mar 13, 2009 08:49:59 PM
andy from newcastle:  Yuvie, Mr.Lee. We're gonna get hammered for this, but I'm with you guys. Machida gives karate the biggest boost since Kung Fu Panda. The fight with Evans should be great, Rashad is one tough mother, and I don't think his half of the eyeball with Rampage was fake (Jackson however is the Ricky Hatton of UFC from what I hear, and out of the Octagon is a scream). Toonoy ps what a class performance from Bute.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 09:56:50 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P 2nd best behind Marquez:  Whaddup Lee!?..Man i'm an iceman fan and i was devastated after the KO lost to Evans. I'm around his hometown and my boys always get together to watch the local favorite but we were fortunate that we had brewskies to forget. I thought he was going to make a comeback after beating Silva but Evans was the dead end. I believe that if his uppercut landed first it would have been the other way around. That uppercut was on its way but Evans had the faster hands and connected with his first. Speed kills i swear but you're right what else does he got left to prove. No matter what though i'll still watch the Iceman fight.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 09:57:24 PM
the roast:  Misterlee, my man, of course i know that jermain taylor is no longer middle champ. i said going back a few years instead of fighting floyd for $$$ he should have gone after the undisputed middle glory. the smart thing as dudes get older is to rise in weight, not go up and down. he could have beat JT then called out b-hop to avenge that pityfull loss. yeah right, right after he grew a set.
Friday Mar 13, 2009 09:57:42 PM
MisterLee:  The Roast! My bad for the misunderstanding! Yeah, oscar is simply too small for middle weight in my opinion, i feel 154 is the highest he could go, as bhop easily over powered him, and would do it again and again if he had to. I think jermaine could beat oscar purely on the size different and plus his handspeed. did oscar ever fight vernon forrest? or was it only mosley who gave him the chance? WARNING MMA TALK Yo #1 pac, yeah i still like liddell, i just wnat to see him perform well, or perhaps it's b/c Pride FC went out of business and they ahd better strikers come from there, whereas before that liddell was the best striker in the UFC (just like Rich franklin was in his weight division, and anderson silva had to go and ruin it for him twice :). andy from newcastle, what' sa scream? I swear I don't understand half of the things you say, but it's all good! like wth is Tonnnoy? hahah.. do you mean that time jackson had the police on a high speed car chase? you know, eventually it's gonna be all about GREAT STrikers that also have a ground game. We got George St. Pierre, a karate guy, anderson silva, muay thai guy, and then Lyoto Machida, a karate guy. These \\\\\\"all around\\\\\\" guys, or \\\\\\"wrestlers\\\\\\" like tito ortiz, matt hughes, or rampage jackson/forrest griffin/rashad evans will be left in the dust. Also notice, Cung Le beat Frank Shamrock. I might add Chuck liddell too, pre-rampage jackson rematch, he's like kenpo or kickboxing guy. Pc out! My tonnoy ... is Andre Ward 2009!
Saturday Mar 14, 2009 12:19:38 AM
the roast:  Yeah, and if HHH brings the sledgehammer to Wrestlemania he will retain the title....oh wait... what site am i on again?...
Saturday Mar 14, 2009 08:46:52 AM
DaveB:  To boxingnut, yeah what was up with Marquez saying he was 100% Mexican and Diaz was only 50% and that is why he would win. The statement offended me and I'm not even Mexican. Prejudice is prejudice even if it comes from within your ranks. Someone should never make you feel bad for who you are, you don't have to buy in to it. It sure isn't going to happen to me.
Saturday Mar 14, 2009 09:29:32 AM
Eastar the REAL Don:  Hi haters. To #1 Wacfan P4P worst: Ya boy Wacman stepped in the ring with dried up Oscar. Why is everyone so afraid he's too small to step in the ring with Floyd 'Money"? hahahahahaha!!! I'm out!! Bye haters.
Saturday Mar 14, 2009 10:20:27 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P 2nd best behind Marquez:  I noticed that hole you have been in has made you delusional.hahaha. Your Mayweather is going to get his wish and face THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD "Manny PACMAN Pacquiaoooooo!! Be careful what you wish for.
Saturday Mar 14, 2009 11:24:39 PM
MisterLee:  Oscar at welterweight = dried out, dehydrated, weak, old, can't pull the trigger, yet i sitll thought he might KO pac. Manny at welterweight = a little bulked up, brings decent punching power (as a middleweight and former sparring partner of Margarito said about Pacquiao), fast, a risk to be KO'd by a real welterweight. PBF- his natural weigth class, fast, highest ring iq, great defense, has a great chin, decent punching power. If pac faces an offensive minded welterweigth like cotto, it'd be over in 3-5 rounds. pc!
Sunday Mar 15, 2009 12:46:34 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P 2nd best behind Marquez:  @Mister Lee...Floyd's chin has not been tested by a boxer with punching power. Hatton back him off with stiff jab and that's coming from a smaller opponent who is not known for his power. Pacquiao will expose this man and prove to all why he was ducking all the welterweights in that division. Pacquiao will hang with the tough welts in my opinion go the distance but slim chance at winning. He is like a rooster....if you haven't seen cockfighting b4 i suggest you watch a clip of it.
Sunday Mar 15, 2009 12:55:32 PM
the roast:  @ # 1 Pacfan...PBF is a naturally bigger man than Manny. he wont be coming to brawl...he will box Mannys ears off. if hes as good as he was when he left, he will knock manny the F out.
Sunday Mar 15, 2009 10:00:29 PM
MisterLee:  Well, not to stand up for floyd, but marcus corley did hurt cotto in this past, and pbf was able ot handle his stuff, phillip ndou was a knockout artist with a perfect knockout record, and oscar de la hoya used to be strong, but it is tru he has not knocked out an opponent in years, but he did take some of oscar's best shots early on. But yeah, we'll see, and plus, going to the body is always painful too. pc!
Monday Mar 16, 2009 11:01:17 AM
boxingpen:  Couldn't agree more about De La Hoya. Boxing fans finally have caught on that the Golden Boy has always been "Golden Hype". He makes huge money for sucking. Check out this article about his career by googling "Tyler Cook and Golden Boy".
Monday Mar 16, 2009 01:21:05 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P 2nd best behind Marquez:  @Roast..Manny aint coming to brawl either. He's not that type of fighter anymore. He has matured in controlling his aggression and only attacks when he sees the opportunity. I can predict one thing for sure and that's Manny to not get knock out by this Mayfeather.
Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 12:15:39 PM
the roast:  @# Pacfan..I think the only way Manny could compete with PBF would be to get inside and rough his man up. He will pay a heavy price trying to get in there. If he trys to box Floyd from the outside he will get shut out. Just because he boxed smarter against David Diaz(chuckle) and Oscar doesn't mean he could pull that off with Mayweather. Don't get me wrong, I have been rooting for the Pacman in all his recent fights. I am not a hater. If the fight ever does come off, I would root for Manny. I just dont think he could beat such a bigger, faster dude. I hope to see somebody KO Floyd, but it wont be Manny Pacquio.
Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 09:03:50 PM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Hatton in 9":  I can totally respect your comment...good points but...Manny will not have a choice but train to box May. 1. May i will go into the fight very confident which can spell disaster for him because he will dictate the action and Manny loves to brawl. 2. Manny only needs that one punch and it will change everything. and 3. What goes up must come down...Down fall of Mayweather will be in the hands of Manny. But we will soon find out my friend. That would be the Fight of the Century for sure.
Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 09:55:52 PM
MisterLee:  Fight of the Century already happened: Mosley vs. Margarito, aka- rocky vs. ivan drago or ali vs. foreman. Mosley chopped his stuff down! I just wish after such a huge victory that pple dindn't move on from it so quickly, and i'm one to do it too despite being a mosley fan. why is that? Pple been talking about marg vs. cotto all the way up to januaray 24th, yet pple moved on to berto or bhop or some other fight immediately? Poor mosley! But yeah, mayweahter is not faster than manny, i think manny has the edge on speed, only a little bit, and he throws flurries more than maywaehter. I do think manny canmake maywaether look old or ineffective over night, but we shall see, ring rust vs. p4p, can it work? Old mayeather can do it, but can he do it agst an improved and still active pacquiao? Pc!
Wednesday Mar 18, 2009 11:13:09 AM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Hatton in 9":  Mosley-Margarito i think was no fight of the century but more like upset of the century. I haven't moved on with Mosley because i think he is the most underrated fighter of our time. I have a problem with some of the welterweight division. How come we are not going to see Mosley-Cotto 2? Mosley has no interest in a rematch with Cotto, the same goes to Cotto. Is there fear coming from both fighters? Did the Mosley defeat over Margarito changed the way Cotto looks at Mosley? Or is it that Cotto really break the confident out of Mosley from fighting him again. Whatever it is the two better shake it off because that's one the fights i want to see this year.
Wednesday Mar 18, 2009 02:15:42 PM
MisterLee:  Yo man, wht are you talking about? Mosley has been calling out Cotto since before the Mayorga fight. If anything, cotto got his confidence shattered, he said himself pre-Marg fight that Mosley was his toughest opponent b/c he kept timing the overy hand right, and we know mosley fights anyone, even the guy who destroyed Cotto. I think cotto is trying to rebuild his confidence, a direct jump into mosley, which will be a great fight, will be soon since it risks an "L" and his career. Prolly not gonna happen this year, unless mayweather does not come out of retirement, or if DLH vs. Mosley doen't happen, it might happen. Ironicaly both cotto and mosley are eyeing pacquiao, even tho mosley has the welterweight crown. Oh, if anything, the only person Mosley and EVERY welterweight is ducking (minus Clottey) is Paul Williams. Paul can crush everyone in welterweight easily. Actually , next to cotto and mosley, luis collazo is my third favorite welterweight. he mugged berto like he was a millionaire. Pc! Andre Ward 2009!
Wednesday Mar 18, 2009 04:57:04 PM
#1 Pacfan "KO's Hatton in 9":  Well i must of missed an article regarding Mosley wanting a rematch. But Cotto is definitely showing no interest in a rematch. I will not buy a card with Mosley-DLH 3 that is like a pointless fight for the public. The second fight was a shutout and besides what would Mosley gain from this other than a big payday..that's it! I think you are overrating Williams a little bit to me he is just a tall tree waiting to be chopped down. Marg almost chopped him down in the late rounds. I think Mosley has what it takes to beat Williams.
Wednesday Mar 18, 2009 07:16:09 PM
Robert Curtis:  Hi, Ray. I submitted a comment to this column which you or Editor Mike must have rejected. I am disappointed.
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