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Sunday Jan 11, 2009

Horgan sees Hagler taking a decision, by a slim margin. What about you, TSS Universe? Do you think Hopkins could confuse the master of Destruct and Destroy? Or would Hagler's strength wear BHop down, and stop him late?

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TSS Fantasy Fight: Hagler vs. Hopkins

By Dan Horgan


Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins were undoubtedly the two best middleweights of their respective generations. Hagler (62-3-2) dominated the 1980's with a ferocious southpaw style that only Sugar Ray Leonard could stand up to. Hopkins (48-5-1) subjugated fighters of the 2000's with brilliant technical skills and a dynamic straight right hand. Both men were always in shape. Both men used intimidation to thwart opponents. Both men fought and beat the best fighters available.

So what would happen if generations could merge and Hagler and Hopkins met in a middleweight showdown? Fans from both eras would undoubtedly pay to see the match happen. After all, Hagler and Hopkins both did everything they could to avoid defeat. And when two men who refuse to lose face off, fireworks often fly. Here's how the hypothetical matchup would have played out:

Round 1: Both Hagler and Hopkins are in dynamic shape (as always). The two men are cut, lean, and ready to rumble. Hagler is the aggressor to start. He chases Hopkins around the ring as Hopkins uses lateral movement in an attempt to thwart Hagler's punches. For the most part, Hopkins is successful. He slips around the ring and Hagler is unable to land any significant blows. Hopkins lands two emphatic straight right hands past Hagler's guard to end the round. 10-9 Hopkins

Round 2: Hagler comes out of his corner a bit more cautious. He tries to stand and box with Hopkins, sensing that his aggression won't work. Hopkins lands a solid left hook and jab throughout the round, all the while tying Hagler up. Hopkins lands a solid three-punch combination to end the round, and he walks into his corner with a big smile on his face. 10-9 Hopkins

Round 3: Hagler pins Hopkins against the ropes and lands several solid body shots. Not to be outdone, Hopkins fires back with straight right hands that send Hagler back. The fight drifts to the center of the ring where Hopkins continues to get the better of his foe. 10-9 Hopkins

Round 4: Goody and Pat Petronelli are upset and worried. In between rounds, they shared their sentiments with Hagler by telling him to step up his game. He was down on the cards, they said, and needed to turn the tide of the fight. That pace-altering blow lands for Hagler 1:26 into a slow-paced round. A big left hook rocks Hopkins who smiles and dances to the crowd's delight. Hagler pins Hopkins against the ropes and pounds away to the body. He comes upstairs and lands three solid head shots. 10-9 Hagler

Round 5: Much like his first fight with Segundo Mercardo, Hopkins realizes he is in with a live dog who can certainly hurt him at any point in the fight. Hence, he is even more cautious in round five. He clinches, holds, and throws few punches as Hagler continues to come forward and throw punches in bunches. Hagler's aggression alone gives him the round. 10-9 Hagler

Round 6: Hopkins opens up a bit to start the round, much to Hagler's liking. "Marvelous" smacks Hopkins with a robust left cross that sends "the Executioner" back into the ropes. There, Hagler opens up and cracks Hopkins with several strong combinations. Hopkins is able to fight his way back out to the center of the ring, where the fight turns into a technical snooze fest. Hagler 10-9.

Round 7: Hagler has figured Hopkins out. When Hopkins boxes, Hagler ups his aggression. When Hopkins fights back, Hagler has more openings to land bombs. Hopkins realizes his foe has the upper hand, so he does what any other tough guy from Philly would do when down: he fights street. While lunging in for a straight right hand, Hopkins' forehead collides with Hagler's eyebrow, opening a large cut. The butt is ruled accidental. Much like Hagler's fight with Tommy Hearns, the doctor looks at the cut and contemplates stopping the fight. Hagler convinces the ringside physician to allow the contest to continue. Hagler is now pissed, and he shows his anger through aggressive punching. Hopkins keeps his cool by moving side to side and effectively picking Hagler off with quick shots. But with just 15 seconds remaining in the round, Hagler scores a clean left uppercut that sends Hopkins back. The punch allows Hagler to steal the round. 10-9 Hagler.

Round 8: Neither man seems tired, but Hagler continues to pick his pace up. In round 7, he threw 98 punches. In the first minute of round 8, he throws 45. Hopkins struggles to neutralize his foe's output. Although Hopkins lands several straight right hands, Hagler has taken control. 10-9 Hagler

Round 9: Hagler bullies Hopkins against the ropes. The Brockton native's body work and combination punching is impressive. 10-9 Hagler

Round 10: The fight starts in the center of the ring where Hopkins makes a strong push to regain control of the fight. He is active and ably landing right hands and left hooks. Hopkins moves away from Hagler's left hand and clearly wins the round. 10-9 Hopkins

Round 11: In what is easily the best round of the fight, Hagler and Hopkins each open up and try to make a final impression on the judges and fans. Hopkins throws combinations like he hasn't thrown before; and Hagler takes the blows and comes forward with his own ammunition. Hagler lands several big left hands in the round's last minute. 10-9 Hagler

Round 12: As Hopkins continues to move laterally, it is obvious he has the fresher legs. Hagler makes one final push to knock his foe out, and Hopkins avoids him with pepper shots. For the first time in the fight, Hopkins pins Hagler against the ropes and pounds away. The two trade and Hopkins lands the final punch of the fight. 10-9 Hopkins

Final Decision: 115-113 Hagler.

 

           
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Justin :  Thats a great fight !!! Everyone would pay money to see that one...I just bought Hagler vs Hearns last week to add to my collection . Hagler was a animal in the ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:22:55 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  Man you are talking real boxing when you mention a fight like that. Wow! That would have been a great fight. I'm bias because Haglar was an idol of mines and someone I got to know. I would have picked Haglar to win as well also.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:26:05 AM
Joey:  I think if they were both in their prime, it would be Hagler. But Hopkins aged better Hagler and if the two met at the age that Hagler fought Leonard then I'd take Hopkins. But prime versus prime, Marvin Hagler.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:44:22 AM
vjoe:  marvelous, but let's set this one for fifteen rounds! while leonard may have snuck out a win in a twelve rounder, my recollection is that he was totally on empty at the end of the fight and that hagler may well have stopped him if they'd fought three more rounds. has hopkins ever gone fifteen??
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:45:26 AM
Robert Curtis:  I want to give this one to Hagler. Believe me, I do. But I think Hopkins is just a little too big for him. Hopkins would have a 3 and half inch height advantage and Hard Nard eventually fought quite naturally at light heavyweight. Hagler would not have been intimidated and would have brought the fight every round. I think it would be an even slugfest for much of the fight, but an accumulation of sneaky power shots from the larger Hopkins would turn the tide. Hagler cut quite a bit too and Hopkins would take full advantage. 12 or 15 rounds would make no difference because both these guys were always the best conditioned with ridiculously hard bodies and narrow waists. Man, do I sure miss the Marvelous One. He was the only famous African-American with a Boston accent worse than mine.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 10:34:59 AM
Radam G aka Humble PRG:  A slow-pace boxing, tallest-type boxer like B-Hop would have been made for the marvelous one. Just look at the job a developed Marvin Hagler did on Boogaloo Watts, The Worm Monroe, Caveman Lee, Fulgencio Obelmejia and Johnny Baldwin. In my humble opinion, B-Hop would gotten destroyed by Hagler -- reminiscent of the job the great one did on The Hitman Hearns. (Hey, Bobby C, the marvelous one is getting down with a mixture of an Italian accent with that Bostonian one.) Holla!
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 12:25:02 PM
Saul:  After what Hopkins did to Pavlik I would definitely pay to watch this one.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 12:33:15 PM
steve:  You cant even mention Hopkins in the same breath as Hagler, Marvin would of destroyed Hopkins inside 7 or 8 rounds, Hearns would of knocked him out, Duran would of beat him up, Nuff said.........
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 01:09:24 PM
Yuvie:  Now that's a tough fight to choose a winner for. What a great fight though. Hagler was a beast in the ring and I don't think Hopkins has ever seen anyone like him but I still gotta give the edge slightly to Hopkins. I can see Hopkins avoiding just enough and hitting with just that little bit more to edge out a tough, tough decision in what would have been a fight of the year. If it was 15 rounds, you know these guys would have fought for 15 rounds.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 02:48:20 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Great matchup it would be i wonder how Hopkins would deal with Haglers pressure, a classic chessmatch indeed.. I would prefer a matchup with Margarito-Hagler that's if you want to see a brawl, both a give and take a punch type fighters who have no reverse gears. They also have solid chins. Margarito is more like Middleweight built in my view cause he is big as a Welterweight.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 03:41:54 PM
oskar:  Hagler got power and chin but Hopkins is more technical fighter for me. If its a knock out Marvin, if it goes a distance ud by Hopkins.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 04:41:21 PM
donputo69 back in bklyn:  Wow...fantasy boxing?...I guess these writters are paying attention to what i post...lol...anyway...I have it 116-112 for marvelous hagler...nuff said on that...how about another fantasy match?...how about pacquiao vs James toney?...then again...it's only fantasy...but I would love to see that match...holla back!!!
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 05:06:27 PM
Fistic Fury:  Hagler was as ruthless as you can get and unbeatable in a war but he wouldn't be in a war with B-HOP as Bernard is smarter than that. Hagler could be outboxed and Bernard would box him. What a fight though...
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 07:09:48 PM
Smith:  Hagler destroys Hopkins. Hopkins is not in Hagler's league, Not even close.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 07:59:33 PM
DaveB:  I definitely agree, Hopkins is not in the same league with Hagler. As much as I respect Sugar Ray he caught Hagler as he was starting to slow down, and he became friendly with Hagler as well to take away some of Hagler's edge, which was smart on Leonard's part. If Hagler respected or liked you he wouldn't do as well ie. Duran and Leonard, though both we great fighters. But man look how he tore into Hearns. And we all know Hopkins would talk some smack to get Hagler's bald head steaming.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:02:36 PM
Isaiah:  I'm a fan of both guys. It's so hard to pick a winner in this. In the end I pick the brilliant Hopkins by 115-113. On a side note, Hopkins only wants to fight one more time and retire. His pick for 2009 final fight would be a great final fight for both warriors in this years most anticipated sequal. Hopkins/Calzaghe 2! Calzaghe better make this happen! If you're going to retire, you may as well have a rematch with the guy who gave you the fight of your life before you do... before they both retire.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:17:49 PM
Guy:  All due respect to Hopkins who is obviously a great fighter, but Hagler beats him. Hopkins looks great when he dictates the pace and picks his spots, but he couldn't match Hagler's pace and aggression. Hopkin's two best wins were against Trinidad and Pavlik who were both heavy hitters, but on the plodder side. People forget that Hagler was an outstanding boxer before he turned into a beast.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:33:16 PM
1:  With all respect to Mr. Hopkins, if they are both in their respective prime, the maniac from Brockton wins 98 out of 100 times. (Sorry Marvelous, but B-Hop may find his hand raised once or twice.) This is something I'm sure about. I recall the chatter coming out of Brockton prior to the Leonard fight that Marvin had slipped noticably. I bet MMH anyway. Didn't think Leonard could overcome the layoff.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 12:04:33 AM
andy from newcastle:  Wow, tough one. Radam made some good comparisons, but i think B-Hop is a much willier fox than those guys, and as Bobby C said, a naturally bigger man weight wise. So, like FF, I go with B-Hop, warring as an equal when needed, but boxing a career best against a fellow great. Hopkins, very close majority decision. Toonoy
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 06:36:38 AM
LeeMan:  Haha.. nice fight. I would still give the fight to Hopkins. He is too tricky, and would only lose to a faster fighter (ie- Jones/Taylor). I think Hagler is a complete fighter, but he doesn't have the hand/foot speed to keep up with Hopkins. I would have Hopkins by decision. And your right on with the "accidental" headbutt, or maybe he'll fake a lowblow, or do something to bend the rules. You know Bhop, whatever it takes to win. Haha... yep.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 12:19:05 PM
LeeMan:  Haha.. nice fight. I would still give the fight to Hopkins. He is too tricky, and would only lose to a faster fighter (ie- Jones/Taylor). I think Hagler is a complete fighter, but he doesn't have the hand/foot speed to keep up with Hopkins. I would have Hopkins by decision. And your right on with the "accidental" headbutt, or maybe he'll fake a lowblow, or do something to bend the rules. You know Bhop, whatever it takes to win. Haha... yep.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 02:50:05 PM
LeeMAn:  How about a prime Tyson vs. heavyweights, or a prime sugar ray leonard vs. floyd mayweather jr., or margarito. Intersting ideas!
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 02:51:56 PM
paulbo:  An absolute DREAM fight. Both were aggressors in their prime and oh so smart. Both had great chins. Definitely it would go the distance -- no matter if it's 12 or 15 rounds -- with Hagler doing just a little more. I can see a majority decision, even a split decision for Hagler. B-Hop shouldn't get upset with such a prediction; Hagler was perhaps the best middleweight ever. To even suggest B-Hop would do so well against him speaks volume of B-Hop's ability.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 03:44:00 PM
Peter Egley:  Oh man, I would predict Hagler by KO.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 06:27:52 PM
REAL TALK:  MAN !!!!! I'm stuck . I don't know who I'd pick . Hagler was a monster who could box and go to war !!! B-Hop is too sharp !!! Especially when he was in his prime before he got the lime (light) . Watch Hopkins vs Echols or Hopkins vs Johnson on youtube and you'll see TSS in it's truest form . You hardly ever see Hopkins get hit clean with anything , and Hagler almost always finds a way to win . I got too much respect for these guys . I say a DRAW simply because I'm unable to say who'd lose . Peace n Blessings
Thursday Jan 15, 2009 01:03:36 AM
Pete Steward:  Hagler in his prime was a Strong Boxer puncher that moved around the ring beautifully. Hagler offense would make the diffrence he'd wins on points after a brutal 15round war. KO B-HOP Peter Egley Pleassssse No one can stop STOP B-HOP not even SRR!
Thursday Jan 15, 2009 01:11:02 AM
Cathal-Ireland:  Hagler was a great fighter, and this would be a great fight, but but BHop would be far too slick for Marvin, but hey, what do I know, and what does everybody else here know, for that matter? It's impossible to say who would win. What is for certain is that both of these are in the top 5 Middleweights of all time. Really hope Hopkins schools Cal-slappy if and when he gets his deserved rematch.
Thursday Jan 15, 2009 07:50:24 AM
Alex:  Both great fighters and athletes. mackie shilstone said out of all the athletes he worked with, Hopkins was the most disicplined. They both have there strengths, but I think Hopkins. Just.
Sunday Jan 18, 2009 07:35:46 PM
Franco:  As a young amateur welterwt in MA in the 70's, I regularly sparred Tony Petronelli, Hagler's stablemate, and a few times sparred Marvin himself. The guy had amazing speed and could hurt you with both hands. Hagler-Hopkins would have been a great fight but there's no doubt in my mind that after many rds of give and take Hagler wouls weear B-Hop down and score a late rd KO.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 01:31:40 PM

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