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Wednesday Jan 7, 2009

Roach knows Floyd presents a massive challenge for Manny, but Manny isn't phased. He'd take that fight in a heartbeat. He even wants a piece of Margarito.

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Manny Wants Hatton, Floyd, Margarito

By Ron Borges


      While many things have been projected for Manny Pacquiao this year one thing is set – he won’t ever defend the WBC lightweight title he won from David Diaz. Hence, if Pacquiao’s long-time nemesis Juan Manuel Marquez wants to fight him again he will have to do more than put on a good show against former lightweight champion Juan Diaz. He’ll have to put on weight.

      That is the position taken by Pacquiao’s trainer and confidante, Freddie Roach, who said from his gym in Hollywood Wednesday afternoon that boxing’s most popular fighter has no intention of ever again fighting at 135 pounds.

      “If Marquez wants to come up to 140 we’ll fight him again,’’ Roach said of the man who fought a draw and lost a razor-thin split decision to Pacquiao and then moved up to 135 pounds to pursue him further only to see Pacquiao move on up to welterweight.

      “We won’t fight at 135. Manny’s natural weight is 140. We came in at 142 for the (welterweight) fight with (Oscar) De La Hoya. Manny had to lose two pounds the day of the fight last June against Diaz. He’s not a lightweight.

      “He’s just as fast and much stronger at 140 as he was at 126 and 135. Manny won’t see 135 again.’’

      Whether or not that means he won’t see Marquez again only time will tell, but Roach said the final small negotiations over a venue are being worked out for Pacquiao to challenge 140-pound champion Ricky Hatton (he must hold some belt with so many of them out there) May 2 so his short-term future is finalized. Although Hatton would have to be considered the naturally bigger man, De La Hoya had an even larger advantage in that regard over Pacquiao and it made no difference so Roach has no concerns over talk of natural strength and all of that.

      In fact, Roach sounded as if he had few real concerns about what Pacquiao can expect from the aggressive Brit with the ever expanding and contracting waist line. That includes Hatton’s new trainer, Roach’s own arch nemesis Floyd Mayweather, Sr.

      “I think it’s a real good fight for us,’’ Roach said. “Hatton will help draw a big crowd and it’s another title for Manny.

      “The weight is not a problem for Manny. His natural weight is 140 now. He’s not going up in weight. That’s what he weighs walking around.

      “Hatton is a tough guy and a pretty good puncher who likes to mug you if he can trap you on the ropes so footwork will be important in this fight. Manny will need a lot of side-to-side motion. I think it will be an exciting fight but it’s one I see Manny winning.’’

      It also is a fight Roach believes ultimately can lead them in only one direction – the direction of still self-exiled Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

      “Most likely this fight is leading to that,’’ Roach admitted of the consequences of a Pacquiao victory over Hatton. “Mayweather is the only one to beat Hatton so if Manny can knock him out in spectacular fashion it makes a Mayweather fight realistic and logical even though his style is a tough style for us.’’

      Floyd Mayweather, Jr.’s style is tough for everyone, which is why when he sent himself into premature retirement he was both undefeated and universally acclaimed to be the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. That mythical title now belongs to Pacquiao but perhaps before the year is out it will be decided not by people’s opinion alone but by the two of them.

      If so, Roach believes it will be a risk worth the reward that could come with it, both financially and fistically.

      “I think Manny is the only guy out there who can beat Mayweather,’’ Roach said. “After the Hatton fight, who else do we have to fight? (Former welterweight champion Miguel) Cotto is already booked to fight the (Antonio) Margarito-(Shane) Mosley winner so we really don’t have a lot of other options.’’

      Left to his own devices Pacquiao might dispute that however. He has already told Roach in fact that he has a proposal, one that even Roach had to laugh about.

      “Manny wants to fight Margarito,’’ Roach said of the iron-chinned, long-armed welterweight champion who stopped the previously unbeaten Cotto by grinding him to dust in 11 brutal and bloody rounds last year. “Manny thinks he can outbox him.

      “Margarito is a big welterweight. He’d have a lot of advantages physically but Manny doesn’t really worry about that. I don’t know but he believes he can beat him. He believes he can beat (Wladimir) Klitschko, too!’’

      While Pacquiao is uppermost on Roach’s mind, his Wild Card Gym in Hollywood is one of the busiest boxing venues in the country. Next week Roach will begin working there again with former Olympic silver medalist Amir Khan, who came to Roach after being knocked cold in less than a minute two fights ago.

      Roach has won with him once since and believes he is a vastly talented fighter who has been improved by spending time in the ring sparring with Pacquiao, a fighter against whom one learns to protect your chin or pay the price for not doing so.

      Where that knowledge ultimately leaves Khan not even Roach can know but off of what he’s seen he believes there is enough talent there to make Khan a champion if he can simply adhere to a regimen designed to improve defense of a chin that has shown some cracks in it.

      “Amir will be here on the 10th to start training again,’’ Roach said of the British-born Khan. “He’ll fight again in late February or early March. I want to step up the quality of his opponent.

      “I know there are people who question his chin but a lot of that has to do with confidence. I think working with Manny helps a lot. The fact is if you don’t have a good chin it just means you have to work harder on your defense.

      “Amir has a lot of talent. He really does. He just has to settle down a little bit. I think getting knocked out actually could help him. He was a little bit cocky before, always coming in looking for the knockout. You can’t just go out there throwing right hands thinking you’re going to stop everybody.’’

      Manny Pacquiao showed the wisdom of that advice when he first outboxed and then outfought Oscar De La Hoya in December. By May 2 he’ll be looking to do something similar to Ricky Hatton, a tough brawler who believes he can win because, after all, who has beaten him outside of the bets fighter in the world?

      If Pacquiao can show him there is a new best fighter in the world who knows what could follow? Unless Juan Manuel Marquez wants to do some extra dining what seems most likely would be a showdown between the two best pound-for-pound boxers in the world – Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao.

       If it happens this year boxing fans should consider themselves blessed.

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Anonymous user:  Manny cannot beat Mayweather in his own natural weight. You are just making some fun. Even Oscar, if he is in his natural weight it's impossible for manny to beat OSCAR. You cannot prove that pacquiao is the pound for pound fighter because De La Hoya is not ih his natural weight. Try to fight oscar at 154, so that pacquiao can get his prize fighting at 154 to dela hoya or mayweather jr...
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 07:42:02 PM
Anonymous user:  Moron Oscar has a chance to be at 154 but his undoings cost him his waterloo at his age he simply cant match the speed of pacquiao even at 160.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:34:19 PM
jon:  that is precisely the reason why roach agree to fight dela hoya at 147, dlh already have many advantages, like his reach and height and you must also understand pacman started his boxing career at 106. asking pacman to fight at natural weight of dela hoya is a suicide.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:44:54 PM
kensmith:  To the "anonymous user" that made a comment thhat Manny can't beat Oscar. Ummm I suggest you watch the fight. That crap about natural weight is just a lame excuse. Plain and simple Oscar got beat by a much smaller man in Manny when Oscar had all the advantages. Stop the whining and crying and excuses. Even Oscar himself admitted he got beat by a better man, so STOP with the idiotic excuse! In case you are not aware, in boxing, you have to either cut weight to fight in a your target weight weight division. If anything, Oscar had the advantages, not Manny. Know what you're talking about before you ramble with some ignorant comment.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:45:14 PM
Anonymous user:  This is crazy. This is the boldest Manny Pacquiao I've ever seen. Manny already raised the bar to very high levels for not only Philippine boxing outdistancing two Hall of Fame Filipino boxers, Gabriel 'Flash' Elorde, Francisco 'Pancho Villa' Guilledo, but also Asian boxing as well. Memo to Manny: Go for your sixth title in your sixth different weight class by defeating Ricky Hatton for his IBO and the Ring Magazine Linear Super lightweight and then retire on top.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:55:03 PM
superbabe2000:  Anonymous User- Of course Pacquiao will not fight Oscar at 154. Upper limit of Manny is 147. If Pacquiao is not the p4p best at this moment, who is? The thing is, the guy came all the way up from 106 to 147lbs and still came banging his opponent. It is uncommon, that. It doesn't matter if it was the old oscar or the faded oscar who showed up. Pacquiao never said that he would be the best at 147. He just said he can win over Oscar at 147. And he did. I think that Manny has a fair chance of beating PBF at 140lbs or at 143lb-catchweight. PBF is talented and better than Manny over-all - but the guy has not fought in over a year. His being rusty and inactiev will surely play an impact in his performance.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:58:24 PM
tuyo:  yah..whatever..DLH said he is in better shape of his life when he fought manny..why is there lots of people cannot accept that manny is the no.1 pfp boxer in the planet..we are not born in same size..so if you want to fight a smaller guy you had an option on the weight you can fight..if you cannot do it...do not fight....its so stupid for a boxer to get into a fight and if he was defeated he lays so many reasons....try to remember that....
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:58:59 PM
july:  Seriously, i think Manny vs Margarito isn't really that far fetched. We've seen the Pacman against De La Hoya and i think his chances are much better against Margarito than his chances against Cotto..The problem with Cotto's fifght against Margarito was he lost his confidence and focus mid fight , after being unable to hurt his bigger opponent. He was trying to stop Margarito, which was next to impossible on that night. I think the Pacman can outbox Margarito and win on points.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:04:50 PM
parame:  To anonymous user, that's why the p4p rankings is mythical. I mean does manny have to fight klitschko to prove he is the p4p king? that's just a stupid. mayweather wouldn't be able to beat a lot of fighters bigger than him as well but everyone accepted him to be p4p no. 1. Oscar weighed in 6 pounds lighter than the forbes fight while manny had to jump up 2 weight divisions to fight him and his third weight division for the year. I'm just sick of the excuses for oscar.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:08:16 PM
pinoy_majesty:  Pinoy is in da house!!! I LOVE Manny against Margarito, LOVE IT!!! It's a great style fight for Mr. Manny Pacquiao, as Margarito has limited and crude boxing skills. I think he'd box the pants off of him and ultimately stop him on cuts. That fight needs to happen!!! Mr. Manny Pacquiao versus Hatton will be a fun ride, but it's nothing more of an exhibition as Ricky has no chance. The Mayweather fight would be easy. Floyd is getting old and wouldn't be able to get on his bicycle and run from Mr. Manny Pacquiao. Pinoy is in da house!!! He'd get to him. Mr. Manny Pacquiao is already the best P4P fighter of all time, and I think if he gets fights with Mayweather and Margarito after Hatton, he'll be MILES out in front of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. Heck, maybe Mr. Manny Pacquiao could kick Paul Williams's butt for good measure!!! Pinoy is in da house!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:08:58 PM
Teebob:  Manny is only kidding himself when he said he wants to fight Margarito. Manny has no business fighting at 147 lbs at this moment..Mayweather v Manny is a great fight i believe.But at what weight?..147?catchweight of 142-144lbs?JMM is another great fight and id love to see them at it again @ 140..3 fights,3 wins(2 KO's) in 3 different weights!Definitely,Manny is the King of the Ring!..
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:13:46 PM
Anonymous user:  you're saying Oscar was'nt in his natural weight class?? What about Manny??? He fought at 135 prior to the clash with Oscar.. that's 2 divisions higher.. have u thought of that?
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:17:03 PM
rasheed514:  anonymous user, just try to accept the fact that oscar lost to pacman, that's reality man, eventhough how many times you have to watch their fight (a lot of replays, just in case , hehehe, turn earth upside down oscar is history, think hard about that - anong natural natural weight ka jan, BOBO) a lot of lame excuses, what a shame, stop whining will you...
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:18:21 PM
Teebob:  Manny is only kidding himself when he said he wants to fight Margarito. Manny has no business fighting at 147 lbs at this moment..Mayweather v Manny is a great fight i believe.But at what weight?..147?catchweight of 142-144lbs?JMM is another great fight and id love to see them at it again @ 140..3 fights,3 wins(2 KO's) in 3 different weights!Definitely,Manny is the King of the Ring!..
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:19:03 PM
carlo:  147 140 135 130 126 122 112 tell me what is the natural weight for PACMAN
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:21:35 PM
walter:  i think ken is right, i dont care if oscar was a heavyweight the number of punches he landed wouldnt knock anyone out, the reason he went so many rounds was because pac let him stay. watch it again!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:22:02 PM
carlo:  147 - PEOPLES champion 140- Future IBO champion 135-WBC Champion 130-WBC Champion/Ring Champion 126-RING champion 122-IBF champoin 112-WBC champion tell me what is the natural weight for PACMAN please you must to admit that PACMAN is really EXTRAORDINARY.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:24:01 PM
jepoy:  I believe that Manny's words to Roach are serious when he said that he can outbox Margarito and can even beat Wladimir Klitschko. He has proven it through his bout against dela hoya, a much bigger opponent. When you review Manny's fight with Oscar, you will notice that Oscar was outboxed by Manny the entire rounds. I believe that it has something to do with Manny's fighting style. I've never seen any boxer like Manny! Therefore, it is just logical to believe that he can even beat the bigger welterweights and even heavyweights. Manny has the heart of a lion and his speed is fast as a cheetah--that's why Roach said, "Speed kills!"
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:26:41 PM
JAYMIL84:  HEY PINOY_MAJESTY FLOYD MAYWEATHER ISNT THAT OLD IN FACT HE WAS BORN THE SAME YEAR AS PACQUIAO..... YOU BINGO FREAK
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:32:16 PM
anon:  is everyone forgetting that manny jumped two weight classes ? I mean c'mon he even came in at 142lbs at the weigh in when he was suppose to be at 147lbs, manny had the disadvantage here. While dela hoya fights at 154 and drops to 147. Even at the beginning of the fight you see Oscar eating when he makes his way to the ring, which means he was most likely much heavier than Manny. The reason why Oscar lost is because he has never fought anybody as fast and quick as Manny which broke down his confidence forced him to stop punching because he did not know what to do !!! Congrats to Manny on his win and wish him the best against Britain's finest, Hatton !!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:32:57 PM
jdm-p:  whatever you think and tell the whole world, still PACMAN is the man of boxing. He is the best even in any weight, he can handle all weight division. Boxing is not the weight but speed and endurance to win. Manny has all that and stay with him even in his 50th birthday, still he can win. Roach what do you think?
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:33:07 PM
Zay:  Pacquiao has made his career on fighting fighters past their prime. Barrera was 60 fights in to his career when he fought Pacquiao, Morales was nearly 50 fights in, and Marquez had over 50 fights. All these guys were warriors and fought that way so with that many fights under your belt it takes some out of you. Had the "Pacman" fought any of those guys 15 or 20 fights earlier...it was curtains for him. The de la Hoya fight was just...dumb. De la Hoya didnt even look like he wanted to fight, just one last payday. If Manny tries to fight Margarito he's done. He doesnt hit hard enough to keep Margarito off him and I dont think he can deal with the pressure. If he manages to get Mayweather out of retirement he will lose the track meet that all Mayweather's fights are.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:34:28 PM
Aaron:  If Roach is wondering what fights are out there for Pacquiao? How about the two guy's who KO'd him earlier in his career? Doesn't Pacman want to avenge these, they are KNOCK OUT LOSSES to obscure fighters. The same reason I can't understand Wladimir Klitschko not pursuing a rematch with Corrie Sanders.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:36:05 PM
thrown:  i'd like to see pacquiao defeating klistchko! that would be fun! LOL...
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:36:22 PM
thrown:  i'd like to see pacquiao defeating klistchko! that would be fun! LOL...
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:38:27 PM
Abraham :  I believe Pacquiao is a good boxer but all the fame is going to his head. Now he believes that he can defeat Margarito who is a NATURAL welterweitht, that's just stupid, I even think Cotto can beat him. Pacquiao is good but is not great.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:44:14 PM
Anonymous user:  Reading these B.S comments about ODH could've, would've beat MP if this or if that excuses are ridiculous. As much as I like ODH, I believe even a prime ODH would have a hard time beating MP. I think it's time to stop the ODH nut huggin. His time reign in boxing is over and Manny dominated. After MP last performance, I don't see how Ricky or Floyd can beat him. Ricky would probably give Manny a good fight but I see MP knocking Ricky out due to his lack of defense. Comes straight in and will be eating straight lefts all day. If the Floyd -vs- MP fight happens, it would be an awesome fight but I see floyd losing as well. Floyd has had a history in the past where he had gotten hurt by the likes for Corley and Judah. As much as I want to see this fight happen, I can already hear peoples excuse saying that Floyd lost due to his inactivity.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:46:45 PM
hehehe :  all of those who oppose money in this article, surely lost a lot of bet in the dela hoya -pacquiao fight. so go ahead guys, its your time to make your predictions again. this is your time to make yoursleves feel like winners. hahahahah ..... PITTY
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:51:03 PM
xelium:  WTF about that natural weight...TAKE NOTE of this, Team Pacquiao expects ODLH to weight at least or to the maximum of 160lbs on the fight night so this means they prepare manny that he is facing a bigger ODLH and has a battle plan when it happens BUT since ODLH maintains a below 150lbs weight he or the whole team might be thinking that they don't want to risk his speed against manny. so thet natural weight thing is not a big factor. and don't ever predict that manny will loose to Gayweather because style wise manny has the advantage and the only advantage of Gayweather is his defense and his boring style.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:59:46 PM
donputo69 just landed in miami:  lmfaooooooooo...manny wants margarito?...buahahahahahaha...scareweather? Yes...hatton? yes...margarito? he will get kill...lmfao...I mean...come on...he can't be serious...that's like Tyson calling out Judah...lmfaoooo...holla back!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:20:49 PM
zniv:  even if OSCAR is in his natural weight the same result of the dream match will come out. the reason why OSCAR didn't put on much weight during their fight is to catch up manny's speed, he think if he is lighter he can move faster but he was wrong. thats why speed kills.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:20:58 PM
maken:  short word men! PACMAN IS ONE OFF THE GREATEST BOXER OFF ALL TIME....
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:21:54 PM
zniv:  even if OSCAR is in his natural weight the same result of the dream match will come out. the reason why OSCAR didn't put on much weight during their fight is to catch up manny's speed, he think if he is lighter he can move faster but he was wrong. thats why speed kills.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:21:54 PM
Jay Ari Yin:  Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, Margarito, Marquez, Diaz, Bradley, Mosley, Clottey, Berto - Line them up, Pacquiao will beat them all!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:24:34 PM
selwyn:  Manny can beat Wladimir Klitscho. But they have to fight in a catch weight 147 lbs. he he he he.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:25:50 PM
hehehe :  all of those who oppose money in this article, surely lost a lot of bet in the dela hoya -pacquiao fight. so go ahead guys, its your time to make your predictions again. this is your time to make yoursleves feel like winners. hahahahah ..... PITTY
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:29:21 PM
earl:  for us from gensan, manny has an extraordinary talent given by God anyone out there who wants to fight him will really feel his punches that when it hits them they're like hammer, b'coz as a friend of manny he has a unique bone structure in his left hand, ive seen it many times when we played basketball........
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:30:18 PM
Erik:  Guys, please stop trying to live through Pacquiao. It was him in the ring, not you. When he wins a fight, you have no reason to boast. If he ever gets knocked out again (if his managers are smart he'll retire after a couple more fights and stay retired for good) I can't imagine how sad you guys are going to be. Keep things in perspective--it's a sport, it's entertainment. It's not politics, it's not religion, and the outcome of a boxing match doesn't change the world. In fact it really doesn't change anything at all.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:39:04 PM
American1Warrior:  This is a good article. First of all, STOP making excuses for De La Hoya's loss!! He fought the best and lost to the best. NO EXCUSES. I think that Pacquiao VS Cotto at 140-143 would be a hell of fight. I don't wanna see no pac vs marg. I think that Cotto vs Pacquiao could be the fight of the century. think about it..They're practically the same. These 2 fighters are a couple of bad a$$3$ and them fighting in the same ring is gonna generate so much attention and could definitely boost the sport of boxing. I've been hearing a lot that Cotto would win this fight easy, but i don't think so, trust me, or even better, trust Pacquiao, This will be an ACTION-PACKED FIGHT. And Pacquiao would absolutely fight his heart out and give Cotto the beating like what he received from Marg, but 3 times faster. But on the other hand, Cotto would not just stand there and take these beatings and fight his heart out too. This Dream Match 2: Cotto vs Pacquiao would be the fight to wait for in the future. ....and there is a chance it can happen...
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:43:38 PM
dundee duque:  Aaron ? Is this a kid or just a wannabe's ??? Those two guys who knock Pacquiao ( Torrecampo & Singsurat ) was already long time due . They can't even pull a trigger with a class C fighters thesedays . Nonsense !!!! Singsurat is just lucky on that fight .. ... Manny is sick & dehydrated during that time , but having a heart of a champion , he still prefers to fight rather to run or pull out of the contest .... That is why , even he's the underdog ... he'll fight you ... and that is GREATNESS .... That's why he is the current P4P King right now.....
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:51:30 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  Donputo69...THANKS.. You are the only one that makes sense. It's beginning to turn into a joke now. Now Manny wants to go to 140 now because there's no one at 140 who Maglignaggi, Holt, Torres, Hatton(who Floyd already destroyed),Timothy Bradley, Witter, oh yeah great fighters. He ran from all the real fighters at 135. And he never will fight 1 good fighter at 147. So the joke will continue. Fight a live body!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:55:06 PM
jeff:  To Aaron: Are you kidding me? Where are those obscure fighters now you talk about that knocked out Manny Pacquiao early in his career. All that is irrevelant! That's in the past!!! While those obscure fighter faded away from the limelight, Manny was rising and steadily improving his skills and proving it by fighting and beating opponents at a higher weight class. Do you honestly think Pacquiao was the same fighter back then, and do you honestly think these same obscure fighters you talk about can knock out the new and improved Manny of today! Unbelievable.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:02:51 PM
nytmer:  pac will invade g. britain
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:08:15 PM
jeremiahjay:  Schoolof hardknocks. you're such a big joke!!!!!!. Before the pacman-DLH. you were all oscar as if you are nustradamos or something. Shame on you butthead...look where's your oscar.. You are full of crop.....you are as a dumbell as your oscar....
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:17:39 PM
odzzz brad41:  pacman trains hard for every fight. focus himself to win! he is very discipine fighter .... pray using to god! thats why he always win!! so let us change our religion to baptist and have girls (12-20yrs old) yumuummumummumum. odzzzzz69
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:20:55 PM
Doria:  to anonymous... mediocracy always attacks excellence... just wait how manny packs the bloods of your pretty boy..
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:21:54 PM
Raul :  listen everyone.the next pfp will be me. just accept that manny is the man withn the belt and have him fight margarito. or mayweather after he beats hatton
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:36:18 PM
Mikajo:  This will be a very interesting fight. Both have their own style and I have no doubt this fight will be a classic.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:40:08 PM
Anonymous user:  Torrecampo is hiding from justice or in jail for stabbing. Singsurat is not that appealing to the boxingworld beside their weight classes is too distant now. Fighting both guys is a simple impossible.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:43:52 PM
spectator sport:  at least manny wants a piece of margarito...unlike flyod joy mayweather always dodging big hitters.... so even if manny does terribly against margarito at least he got the guts to step into the ring with him....
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:10:42 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P \\:  They would not approve my comment in the other forum so i'm trying on this one. Your the moron puto i never said Margarito in the mix and i said the Cotto wanted to fight Pacqquiao not Pac wanting Cotto read it right moron. Back to the article: Manny does really have a big heart but that heart can only take so much. I don't think he can beat Margarito because he is much bigger than him. If he was the size of Mosley than yes he would beat him.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:15:27 AM
Radam G be Humble PRG from Olongapo City, PI w/love:  It's 09, and on a scale of one to 10, Manny is a dime. It is PacMan Time! In 08, Ricky was the most improved fighter of the year. But coming close to beating PacMan, he is no where near. His new trainer Pops Joy May has been quoted as to saying that he has a lot of strategies for a "Tricky" Ricky win. But chances of that are very thin. It is to much for him to tote. Manny's punches are going to be dropping on Ricky like a typhoon rainstorm from the AGOAT. Holla!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:16:53 AM
bleh:  to the Anonymous user you wanna talk about pacman fighting dela hoya at 154 how about this idea Valuev vs Pacquiao at 140?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:34:33 AM
ODLH DID NOT WIN 1 RD.:  Why don't people just stop making excuses for ODLH that he was under his usual weight limit. From RD.1 to RD.8 HE DID NOT WIN 1 SINGLE RD. If weight was the case. How come ODLH could NOT win any of the earlier rounds from 1-3. He couldn't catch Pacquiao and thats what the problem was. Pacquiao boxed him perfectly just like ODLH himself said to Larry Merchant. SO ALL YOU HATERS STOP USING THAT EXCUSE.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:36:17 AM
bleh:  to the Anonymous user you wanna talk about pacman fighting dela hoya at 154 how about this idea Valuev vs Pacquiao at 140?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:40:52 AM
ManilaBoy:  It's funny how people comment that Pacquiao beat Oscar because they didn't fought in Oscar's natural weight. Please be reminded that before the fight contract is signed there are negotiations. It's not Pacquiao's fault if Oscar agreed to fight at 147. Pacquiao believed he can defeat Oscar at 147, so was Oscar. So? What's the argument?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:48:42 AM
chuy:  ok my bets on hatton teaching manny a lesson but going against mayweather or margarito he would b stupid sure he took on ODH but he is old and personaly i think tat marquez had the last fight but i can also see how ppl gave him the fight . to jepoy and anyone who thinks like jepoy manny is good but if u really think tat he would b able to stand against Klitschko u dont kn about boxing simple and yea he beat oscar (who iv never liked) but who wouldnt have seriously how many punches did he throw any decent boxer would have beaten oscar and if he fights Julio Cesar Chavez Jr u will c tat even a B class boxer can beat the old man SchoolOfHardKnocks we think the same way
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:49:48 AM
ToToReX:  I think Pacquaio have a chance to destroy Hatton and PBF. The problem with these guys (Oscar, PBF, Hatton and other guys in higher weight) is that they dont have or never face an opponent as quick and busy as pacquiao with stinging blows. They always got caught in surprise.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:06:35 AM
ding:  There is a possibility that manny will want to fight margarito for the welterweight title. As manny said, he is fighting for history and if he wins, he will become the first man to become a 7 division titlist including of course the lineal titles of barrera and hatton assuming he gets past hatton on may 2. Actually the best path to ring greatness for the pacman is hatton-mayweather-margarito then he can retire. If he continue to box after election which i think he should not think of as of this moment because he is too young to be a politician, i suggest that he fights at 140 lbs for the unification of all alphabet title because that is the only lacking in his resume to overhaul if not equal the greatest boxer of all time. That should motivate the pacman to continue to fight after 2010 and of course to continue the popularity of boxing which he now holds on the palm of his hand.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:06:51 AM
vinzdog:  the upcoming manny vs. ricky showdown will definitely be great fight. Boxing fans will go banging for this one. Both guys has strengths and weaknesses. I got no predictions but my bet is on manny. Go! Go! Go! Box! Box! Box! We're all lucky to see this come into fruition. May the best boxer wins. Damn what a sight to behold. c",)
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:16:08 AM
Stella :  The joke makes a lot of money. Isn't this is what a job is for? Keep fighting dead bodies if that is where the pay.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:25:34 AM
rhino1 :  Manny's weight was 153 when he fought Oscar on fight night. So don't make excuses for Oscar, he had his chance eight times or eight rounds to redeem himself. Oscar has been fighting almost 20 years counting his amateur fights. He knows he is holding the Golden Boy Promotion flag. So you guys out there looking for Oscar to fight at 154 he had his chance knowing to weigh at 154 and SHOULD BE the taller heavier puncher. No excuses. He Lost to a quicker fighter that can hit hard.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:30:17 AM
rhino1 :  Manny's weight was 153 when he fought Oscar on fight night. So don't make excuses for Oscar, he had his chance eight times or eight rounds to redeem himself. Oscar has been fighting almost 20 years counting his amateur fights. He knows he is holding the Golden Boy Promotion flag. So you guys out there looking for Oscar to fight at 154 he had his chance knowing to weigh at 154 and SHOULD BE the taller heavier puncher. No excuses. He Lost to a quicker fighter that can hit hard.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:32:11 AM
adrein:  I think, Hatton should be the majority favorite when the fight against Pacquiao comes because Hatton is clearly the much stronger man. Manny would probably absorb a punch he never had tasted in in his entire career. Hatton is much faster and much younger than ODLH and probably much stronger at 140 pounds. I'm a pacfan but I think the only way Pacman could win against Hatton is through points any mistake by him in underestimating the capacity of Hatton would cost him a loss via knockout.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:41:08 AM
Pacmania_Dan:  full strength + maximum speed + great evasion + High HP + mega chakra + full mana = OWNAGE "Godlike" NarutoLike MANNNNNNNNNNY
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:54:02 AM
maxine:  manny will break hatton's nose b4 hatton goes down face first
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:58:40 AM
ben:  When you believe on your strength and have faith in it!!combined with perseverance and work ethics!!you'll be invincible!!as what manny says"train hard, train hard,train hard cause if you train hard the fight is easy thats what i believe"so go manny!!bring on hatton,mayweather,antonio "the beast" margarito", and so on and so forth!!hehehe!!and manny you make us "pinoys"proud!!win or lose youll always be remembered!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:09:41 AM
Oracle:  Anonymous is so idiot he cudnt accept da fact dat odlh was outboxed by manny using his speed nd power...C'mon man! Even odlh is on 160 he will stil be a slowpoke to beat! His speed would'nt change! He looks empty-handed dat nyt bcoz manny overpowerd him! Lmao! Dnt say odlh lose bcoz he has nothing to give but pac has more to give dat nyt...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:36:38 AM
flipkilla:  Who let the rats out. Knocking out one flip at a time.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:46:32 AM
Oracle:  Pac can beat margarito, dnt laugh at it u myt ended finding urself eating ur words agen... Dnt tell me margarito is a different anima...Dnt tell me he cn pull da trigger...Dnt tell he has a very good chin...Dnt tell me he throws hard punches...so pac have n0 chance of winning to margarito? Why nt ask margarito 1st if he cn beat odlh the same beating manny did... "impossible is n0thing" -nike
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:49:13 AM
al:  he (manny) is a real PACMAN. he can win over those giants in front of him. when i say "giant," it does not only mean size. yes it includes size, but it also includes legacy, popularity, skills, agility, etc. to think the word "pacquiao" rhymes with the word "PAKYAW." in filipino, it means "have it all" or take everything at the same time. i guess as long as he stays in boxing, especially at his prime, every hindrance (boxers who'll fight him) along the way will be pulverized. bottom line is, PACMAN AND PAKYAW is almost entirely and virtually the same. HE IS, THUS, INVINCIBLE AT HIS PRIME.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:55:15 AM
Oracle:  C'mon people pac already fought at 147 so wats da sense of comparing it to wat was zab judah's calling out mike tyson? Im suggesting u take logic subjects frm school! Lmao! the last time people laughing at pacman ended eating their words nd praising pac! Lmao! i'm the oracle! Mark my words!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:56:47 AM
al:  he (manny) is a real PACMAN. he can win over those giants in front of him. when i say "giant," it does not only mean size. yes it includes size, but it also includes legacy, popularity, skills, agility, etc. to think the word "pacquiao" rhymes with the word "PAKYAW." in filipino, it means "have it all" or take everything at the same time. i guess as long as he stays in boxing, especially at his prime, every hindrance (boxers who'll fight him) along the way will be pulverized. bottom line is, PACMAN AND PAKYAW are almost entirely and virtually the same. HE IS, THUS, INVINCIBLE AT HIS PRIME.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:57:01 AM
ganiRENDS:  I AGREE 100% RON, MANNY'S FIGHTING WEIGHT WAS @ 140lbs..EVEN DURING THE FIGHT OF JMM, HE LOOKS SO DEHYDRATED DURING THOSE FIGHTS, BUT HAS THE SPEED. HE WAS WALKING AROUND @ 154lbs EVER SINCE (without training). SO I EXPECT HIM TO FIGHT FROM HATTONS TERRITORY AND ABOVE..NO TURNING BACK, FOR SURE. FIGHTING JMM JUST DOES'NT MAKE SENSE ANYMORE..IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. THE TRUTH IS, MANNY COULD'NT MAXIMIZE HIS TALENT @ PRIME PRECIOUS YEARS IF HE HOLDS BACK. MANNY'S STILL IMPROVING UP TO THIS TIME..HE HAS NOT EVEN REACH HIS PEAK YET. MANNY COULD'NT BE OF WHO HE IS NOW, IF HE DID'NT MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:06:29 AM
Ottog Hahn Matalam:  Absolutely!!! Manny is not kidding when he said he want to fight Margarito. Because, after Manny's fight with Oscar, analyzing Manny and Margarito's style, I came into conclusion that Manny will be able to KO Margarito after the 5th round.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:24:31 AM
Mikee's World:  ...guys, manny is a complete fighter now... no more excuces... just give pacman a real fight... and he'll double it with suprises.. hatton, gayweather, margarito, klitcho,,, whosever wants to fight the pacman... got it my friend!!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:31:28 AM
zeroiq:  Pacman wants to settle down at 140 where his speed is still there and has more power. Also another chance for a belt on his 5th weight class. So all those champions (Marquez,Campbell,Cotto,Margaritto, etc.) at 135,140,147 who wants a piece of Pacman can fight him at 140. I'm sure Pacman is not ducking, he'll fight all of them at this final weight division. Pacman will retain his advantages and the rest will either lose their power or speed.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:32:44 AM
lostboy:  what's the big deal if pacman fight for the bigger guys like margarito or cotto.we want to see blood,we want to see thrill,and only PAQUIAO can give that to us.your precious MAYWEATHER hide to his mothers underware coz there's no other guy to fight with other than margarito.so im not preferred to see PAQUIAO and GAY-WEATHER its means to say he will come out of retirement because his opponent is much smaller than margarito.THIS IS INSANE!!!!!THIS IS INSANE!!!!!! DONPUTO69 take your medication pls, HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLER
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:33:20 AM
penblind:  i believe the style of manny to box is very extra ordinary admit it even manny goes in 154 he can win againts ODLH because of his motivation to win the battle.......
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:42:26 AM
FLOYD JONES D GREATEST:  really?pacman wants margarito?beat klitschko?bwahahahahaha?what an arrogant dude.he can not even beat jmm.in fact, i think their ducking jmm and a lot of fighters.if they truly believe they have beaten jmm, why not fight him again to shut his mouth.oh yes, i remember bob arum magically remedied the win for pacman.why can they not call out cotto?let us see if they would really fight margarito because i think its just their asses talking right now.marg will kill him in the ring and make pacman retire.as for mayweather?floyd will definitely kill him in seven rounds as they will not be able to penetrate his defenses. for the speed factor, the last time i checked floyd has it.as for floyd hitting manny, it will definitely happen since jmm have hit manny many times and even hurt him.this brings me to another point , if manny has no defensive skills and was hurt and hit by jmm i wonder what can floyd do to him. for sure he will be hit num,erous times and get kod.as for manny leaving behind sugar ray robinson and ali i can not believe an idiot mentioned that. manny will not even surpass roy jones jr. and floyd.marami ka pang kakaining bigas.top 50 all time(maybe).please manny is overrated.i give him credit for his wins to barrera,morales and de la hoya but truth be said they were washed up fighters when he fought them.outside of those three big names who has he fought?larios,agapito,overrated ledwaba.cmon!right now he is even ducking a prime jmm.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:43:06 AM
ganiRENDS:  HATTON'S ABILITY IS TO FAR FROM PAC'S TALENT. PAC HAS'NT MET A TRUE MATCH YET, HATTON'S PURELY NOTHING FOR HIM. LOOK, SPEED, POWER, STRATEGY, DURABILITY, ENDURANCE, STAMINA AND HEART AND SO ON, YOU NAME IT..HONESTLY, PAC HAS IT ALL.. HATTON WILL BE DEMOLISHED WITHIN 6TH..PERIOD Hatton's loss to Pac would even be far from Hatton's loss to MayJR...Look, it would be like the result of DLH's fight, werein PAC give DLH a technical knockout @ 8th vs MayJR. just won by a decision over DLH after the fight..big difference. That's the reason why I figure out that 6th would be Hatton's limit..I'm not considering all the excuses of DLH'S loss..DLH'S, Dela HOYA..REMEMBER THIS, IT'S PACMAN'S ABILITY THAT MAKES HIM LIKE WORTHLESS..not the innocent KANGAROO. If and only if, PAC would give a decision win over HATTON, then FLOYD AND MANNY would come out an even scoring between this two loosers (DLH & HATTON).
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:47:26 AM
Mabahong puke:  I want the Margarito fight for Pac too! Not because Manny beats him, but to put Manny to his limits. Let's see how far he goes! I actually think its a toss up.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:13:12 AM
dudz:  hey fools even all fighters in their prime they cannot beat pacman because this man has a skill that not every great boxer has stamina ,strength,durability,speed, power ,great footwork ,fast hands, great and unbelievable phyisique like Bruce Lee and can stand up to 20 rounds you are all morons you didn't know pacman trace his history fights then you can see how tough this guy he is like felix trinidad in his prime
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:14:06 AM
isidro:  If to follow the dictate of time logic,Manny can fight this 2009 two times ,but great fights.Enough preparations and hardworks and training.To capitalize on his remaining powerful youthful years in boxing,he should fight first ,the Dreammatches,then say "paalam "in his natural fighting weight as the last hurrah. This way if he really destined to move -up furthermore in the ladder of boxing greatness,the boxingfans saw him in all his great fights before retirement,which i believe 2 to 3 years from now.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:14:46 AM
snifer:  the style of manny is very unique..only lucky punch can destroy manny but not scientifically..i see that in marquez but not enough..because stronger prevails...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:16:30 AM
Kiddor:  It's good that Manny suggests Margarito on whom he can do target practice on,instead of calling out PBF after Hatton,even Roach knows and SAYS that Mayweather's style if tough for them. Actually Mayweather is too good for Pacman and would rip him apart in the latter rounds!!Pacman starts to.Everyone doesn't mind Pac fighting someone at 147 but when it comes to PBF,they want it at 142,143,what are they scared about?If he is good enought to beat Margarito at 147 then he should beat PBF at the same weight. Pac's biggest claim to fame is beating DLH( and credit to him) but several boxers have found the formula to beat him(Morales and the rest).Has anyone dented Mayweather's record? Roach says that for anyone to be successful with Pacman,he has to know how to hide his chin,is there any boxer better at hiding his chin than mayweather. Pacquiao had better start ducking Mayweather,and fight Margarito and the rest,or he will get knocked out if he gets PBF
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:21:51 AM
nO nOize:  Until now, a lot of you still unconvinced that Pac beat Oscar. Indeed, what a pity. But, I tell you, whether or not Oscar stepped down in weight, Manny was just too fast for him. Simply adding few pounds heavier will neither help Oscar out. He was battered down by Manny's punches and speed. This time sweet science proved that speed is much greater than power.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:31:41 AM
TRISHA:  TRISHA IS SO BEAUTIFUL
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:35:15 AM
spontaneous:  im sick of tired of people not giving manny his due credit for overcoming a lot of oppositions with drastic weight changes and classes. the one good thing about manny is that he always improves and he needs to go up. roach knows whats best for manny. maybe at a catch weight he feels he can take on margarito and klitschko. i mean he is confident coz he feels stronger and is constantly getting better. JMM fight is ok anytime just catch up with manny at 140. manny will never run away with anyone. he is not even afraid to lose. thats he always wins. heart of a champion. unlike floyd who i feel manny can beat. thats the most logical fight. hatton is a given fight already JMM is ok but he will just get knock out again and will finish him for good coz of he has gotten a lot better if you noticed, i say 4 rnds. with floyd it will go down the wire but i think manny can finish him in the final rounds. margarito maybe on decision but it will be really tough. cotto fight will be just as good. so hatton, then pbf, cotto then margarito. then JMM just to shut everybody up but not necessary. manny needs big fights and money fight and he will only get that through this 4 fighters not JMM.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:39:40 AM
reynolds:  Floyd Jone d Great, vovo ka? u said that Pacman didn't beat JMM. r u vovo? Pacman had the belt of WBC 130. what the hell r u thinking? Pacman ducking jmm?? whaaaaaaaaa! do u still remember 2004 duel of jmm vs pacman? it was draw, pacman needed immediate rematch, what was the response of jmm? he fought chris john with only $30000. whaaaaaaaaaaaa! any mathematicians pls? hahaha! The reason y jmm wants to fight pacman now, because he can get big money. Biggest from his previous bouts. Lifetime assurance of financial stability. JMM was always beaten by PACMAN with 4 knockdowns!!!! JMM loved to kiss the canvass always for big money! hahaha. ur really vovo flod jones d great!!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:45:11 AM
adrein:  Hatton vs Pacquiao should be a real war unless Ricky will KO Manny in the first round just like what bredeis prescott did with Amir Khan or what Juanma Lopez did with Del Leon. Since both fighters have solid supporters coming from their native land, I would love to call the fight as "BATTLE OF LEGIONS" or "THE BATTLE OF SUPREMACY".
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:56:23 AM
ernesto:  The best fight still to come is between Paquiao and Mayweather. I have seen Hatton's fighting stance he is strong fighter but he lacks speed and defense compared to Paquiao. Hatton will be an easy picking for Manny. Surely Hatton vs.Paqiao will be a very exciting fight next to Paquiao vs.Mayweather.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:59:14 AM
oskar:  I like that terminology "fistically", lol. I just wish Manny could really have a fight with Floyd Jr. so that we can see who is a much better fighter between the two of them with their own fist.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:16:33 AM
oskar:  Opinions are just opinions until the real fight begins.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:27:14 AM
Bulldog:  The way it is: Strength : Hatton 9/10 Pacman 7/10 Speed : Hatton 7/10 : Pacman 9/10 Durability : Hatton 8/10 :Pacman 8/10 Chin : Hatton 9/10 :Pacman 8/10 Skill : Hatton 7/10 : Pacman 8/10 Form :Hatton 8/10 :Pacman 9/10 Pacman edges the stats...only just, If Hatton fights the same way he did Kostya Pacman will be put to sleep, if Hatton drags his feet he will be picked off and a decision to Manny. Mannys strength is been over rated as good as he is, he didnt stop JMM, or DIAZ/ODH by outright KO. Despite the edge to pacman i say Hattons form will continue on the up and the body punches will crumble Manny.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:29:42 AM
andy from newcastle:  JMM vs Casamayor. JMM vs JUAN Diaz. possibly leading to JMM vs Galaxxy Warrior. Manny vs David diaz (small d on purpose). Hey I like Manny, but which warrior is really going to finish as the dominant fighter at 135lb? IMO Manny will prove everything, or lose a lot, in the fight with Hatton. All the talk of never fighting at 135lb again depends on the outcome of this fight. If loses, or worse, is KO'ed, it will be JMM who will be calling the shots (of course he too has to do the biz against Juan Diaz and Campbell). If Manny beats Hatton, THEN Floyd will provide the $100 M mega bout of all time, that will allow Manny to bet his chubby friends a few thousand dollars to see who will eat the others. By 2010 we will be looking at a much clearer sky. Toonoy
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:40:04 AM
BOXEO:  Manny was just probably kidding when he said that he wanted to fight margarito or he can beat klitshko if hve filipino friends you know how they joke around saying" kaya ko yan" and then laugh, if you are not familiar with filipino humor t might come out as cockiness. Pacquiao is really an extra ordinary fighter, okay let's just say for the sake of argument so what if he beat delahoya who is past his prime and not in his natural weight if ivan calderon was the one who did it people would have said he is one of the greatest fighters in the world and Pacquiao came from the weiht category of ivan calderon right and saying that he is ducking jmm doen't make any sense because he already fought him twice and even fought marquez at 130 lbs when he could not make that weight anymore, again it doent make any sense saying he is ducking jmm when he already fought him twice, ducking jmm would be conceivable and believable if Pacquiao has not fought him even once just like what marquez did with morales and t would have been believable again of Pacquiao wasn't fighting a very dangerous fighter in ricky hatton who is stronger and a lot more dangrous than marquez and could knockout marquez in 2 rounds. By the way jmm ducked nate campbell to fight juan diaz instead, if Pacquiao can be accused of ducking nate campbell then I'm accusing jmm of ducking nate campbell too.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:51:48 AM
BOXINGFAN:  I don't know why some people are accusing the Pacman of ducking jmm, becausei t doesnt make any sense because Pacquiao just fought a bigger and much more dangerous fighter(ODLH) and is now going to fight another strong and dangerous fighter(ricky hatton) and both fighter can kick marquez's butt easy and knock him out with no problems. "DUCKING" is when a fighter decides not to fight another fighter to fight a lesser less dangerous opponent and I really dont' see it with manny fighting two more dangerous guys one after the other whose accomplishments dwarf that of jmm who has almost no accomplishments in the sport and his most world recognized accomplishment is having a draw and a loss to the Pacman and being knocked down four times by the Pacman. And that is another thing Pacquiao already fought him twice , nobody can be accused of ducking if you already fought the guy twice, ducking is if you fight the guy 0 or nada times.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:05:18 AM
Neophyte:  Pachaters concentrate on why Pac’s victims lost rather than why Pacman won. And I wonder why JMM is given so much credit for dishing grandpa Casa ..in the 11th, but cannot do the same to Manny when he demolished DavidD and Goliath(Oscar). Roach now told us that Manny was 2lbs overwt during the weigh-in against Diaz,…and Pac also struggled to make wt against Dinamita. That’s the reason why MP was not able to KO JMM, he was drained and cannot sustain his power. His KO losses to Singsurat and Torrecampo were due to dehydration in making the weight, rather than having an icy chin. He already lost his belt before he climbed the ring with Singsurat. Body shots, though feathery, made Manny quit in the 3rd rd. I doubt it if there will be MP-JMM 3 bcoz there is little green$. We all love to see it happen but the promoters won’t make it happen….sad reality now. But then we know JuanMa is very old and shot once he fyts Manny.... what else is new!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:07:48 AM
Pards :  all of you maybe did not mark the words of pacman...YES I CAN..manny proved and did all his word...if you not ignorant..be proud of your self because you know that all fight of pacman send into the canvass,,,,,
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:23:41 AM
Boxfan:  Haters would be haters it doesn't matter what the pacman does he will always have detractors, my two favorite fighters roy jones junior and floyd mayweather always had detractors when they were at their peak like roy jones people were saying that he ducked a lot of fighters but in truth he was one of the greatest and even went all the way to heavy weight, some haters are still saying that they would not acknowledge this and would not accept that he was great because he fought john ruiz and not lewis(C'mon people he started as a middleweight) and when he got beat by tarver because he already lost his speed and power in going down in weight haters were saying he got exposed and forgot all of his accomplishments in the past(Having championship titles all the way from 160 to 200 and over)and mayweather people still don't give him credit for his accomplishments and is still being accused to this day of ducking both cotto and margarito who in my humble opinion would be beat easy by mayweather due to his style, speed and underrated power. So pacfans don't waste your time with this haters and just enjoy the fights, haters will be haters and nothing would satisfy them because as I said they would always be haters, It doesn't matter who the Pacman beats or how he does it there would always be an excuse madeup by haters to discredit him. for example if he beats jmm in their third fight they would say he just got old, if he fought nate campbell and beat him he also just got old, if he fights mayweather and he beats him it's the ring rust , and if he beats juan diaz and hatton haters are just going to say that they were just overhyped and overrated fighters, if he fights cotto and beats him(Which I doubt) people re just going to say it's because he was never the same after the margarito fight, if he fights margarito and beats him(Which is farfetched IMO) people are just going to say that he was just in too many wars, and then when the Pacman gets old and and slow and finally gets beat he haters would say I told you so and see he got exposed and forget all of his accomplishments as the only fighter in the world who started his pro career at 106 lbs and was powerful enough and strong enough to fight fighters who are all basically bigger than him because most of his opponents started their respective pro careers over the 122 lbs limit to 130 lbs limit and had titles all the way from 112 to 135 comng from 106.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:34:12 AM
MPVIC:  TO ANONYMOUS USER, DONPUTO69, SCHOOLOFHARDKNOCKS, FLOYD JONES D GREATEST AND TO PACHATERS... I UNDERSTAND U GUYS ARE SO ENVIOUS TO PACMAN'S SUCCESS AND HIS GREATNES IN BOXING... NOT TO MENTION THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT EVEN A BOXER TO UNDERSTAND AND FEEL HOW IT IS LIKE TO FIGHT IN THE RING. PACMAN FOUGHT THE BIGGER GUYS ( FROM 106 LBS. TO 147 LBS. ) EVEN WHEN HE WAS SICK OR DEHYDRATED DURING THOSE FIGHT... AND STILL, HE PROVED TO ALL OF US THAT HE CAN STILL WIN THE FIGHT AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NO BOXER HAS DONE IT BEFORE!!! HERE'S WHAT??? IF MANNY PACQUIAO SAYS SO THAT HE CAN DEFEAT THOSE BOXER HE MENTION... THE THING THAT HE SAID IT... ITS BECAUSE HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF IN SIDE THE RING... NOT LIKE TO ALL THE PACHATERS WHO ISN'T EVEN A BOXER AND YET YOU GUYS PRETEND THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT BOXING, SO SAD ... IT IS ONLY BY A TRUE BLOODED FIGHTER AND A TRUE BLOODED WARRIOR LIKE PACMAN WHO KNOWS ALL THESE THINGS BUT NOT LIKE YOU PACHATERS... SUCH A PETTY!!! MY ADVICE...GET OVER IT!!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:38:31 AM
ram_boy:  Pac haters..dont change your nickname if youre making comments and anlaysis on Pacman. Before the fight with delahoya many pac haters posted comments on boxing sites saying dis beliefs and underestimated pac. now, where are you..changing nicknames? losers..if you can't beat Pacman fans, better join them and make money for betting for pac..ok...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:07:14 AM
Gibola:  I know it's not a popular view but I see Hatton stopping the Pacman. Too big and strong in my view. If the Hatton of the Malignaggi fight shows up (ie; the box-fighter who is superfit for 12 rounds) then Pacman will not be able to keep him off. Diaz and ODLH could not pressure Pacman - Hatton will. If he gets on top he will overpower Manny.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:25:51 AM
knock out:  don't just talk and talk let see what happen if pacquiao fight margarito, mayweather, and jmm i believe he will win this fight manny is not arrogant pacquiao prove already that he is the best and exciting fighter this generation you haters why you can't accept if still jmm wants to fight pacquiao come and get him at 140lbs pacquiao is not ducking jmm when pacquiao fought jmm in their second clash indeed pacquio is dehydrated pacquiao is still humble even he win jmm 2 times he didn't tell anybody that he was dehydrated at that time it's make me like and idolize him because of his generous and humbleness
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:26:59 AM
Trench too far:  Manilla thrilla still out to prove wi his mighty mouse powers, aint no weight drain in his losses just easy bashed by mini me bosses. Thrilla loses to Fatton Batton Manilla Killa his mighty mouse powers seen better hours....Pinoy rice lurve train to halt wi out fault stopped by the brit batton the one n only Fatton Hatton
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:32:01 AM
mang godo:  As there will be no quality opponent for Manny, how about him moving to light heavyweight or heavyweight, in as much as manny's power is that of a heavyweight boxer. any heavyweight below 6 feet? manny can easily beat them. but not klistko, he is 6'7".
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:33:49 AM
noj:  some people are jerks! if you don't know what you were saying, just stop making these kind of comments. oscar has a lot of advantages and some disadvantages...and so was manny. that is why they came up to an agreement to a catch up weight. they both AGREED, they fought, and everybody knows who came up winner. that's the important thing. ANY MORE QUESTIONS WHY MANNY IS THE BEST BOXER IN THE WORLD?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:41:58 AM
vincent:  floyd jones - you don't know what you are talking about. every fighter that manny fights for the first time looks old and washed up. barera, even jmm (got floored three times in first round), morales (won in first fight against manny only because of pacquaio's bloody cut, manny couldn't see anymore, but morales looked old in the second and third fights, couldn't time a much improved pacquaio), and dlh. the reason for this is that pacquaio's fighting style is unique and his power and speed are too overwhelming. he is very difficult to time. only exceptionally good boxers have a chance against manny like jmm who learned not to tangle with manny after getting kd three times in one round. especially now that manny has learned to box and his defense is so much more improved, the harder it is to beat pacquaio. the way pacquaio danced around de la hoya, the way he moved and used the ring, if he does that against hatton, there's a lot of probability hatton will get knocked down. manny will have a harder time fighting mayweather because of mayweather's excellent boxing skills and his very accurate jabs, especially his lead right hand. but if pacquaio fights the same way he boxed against de la hoya, i would say he has an even chance against mayweather.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:52:15 AM
eric:  If I remember it was the great Angelo who said that ODLH will win not because of height and weight but because of the golden boy's boxing skill now does this means that pacman has better skills than ODLH because he beats him soundly.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 08:52:27 AM
EXAMINERAUTHOR:  Everybody now seems excited to see this fight between Hatton and Pacquiao. Me, I love to see it. Let's bring it on.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:02:24 AM
lucky boy:  there's only one man can beat manny and that's buboy fernandez.. joke.. manny can easily beat hatton by TKO 7. manny can beat mayweather by UD. manny can beat cotto by KO 10. manny can easily knock margarito out by 9. juan marquez, valero, katsidis, guzman, juan diaz are those fighters that have 0% of chance to win against manny. manny will never loss nor outboxed at 140 to 147.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:19:38 AM
LINDSAY:  Pacquiao is not runnng away from anybody at 135 he just can't make the weight anymore and everybody knew that he almost did not make weight for the diaz fight, and I don't see any fighter at 135 that needs to be ducked by a great fighter like Manny anyway specially if he is fighting a dangerous fighter in ricky hatton, you mean to say he ducked campbell(who was soundly beaten by casamayor), juan diaz who is a fast but light puncher and is going to get knocked out by jmm, and casamayor who is now 37 years old to fight a more dangerous fighter in ricky hatton who would beat all the other fighters mentioned easily with one hand tied around his back? I don't think so its not logical. Marquez and Pacquiao III will happen at 140-147 lbs if marquez is brave enough to move up in weight .
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:20:26 AM
lucky boy:  there's only one man can beat manny and that's buboy fernandez.. joke.. manny can easily beat hatton by TKO 7. manny can beat mayweather by UD. manny can beat cotto by KO 10. manny can easily knock margarito out by 9. juan marquez, valero, katsidis, guzman, juan diaz are those fighters that have 0% of chance to win against manny. manny will never loss nor outboxed at 140 to 147.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:21:15 AM
ozkee:  it simple guys..as of now pacman is the best..all pacman haters are so many blah..they cannot accept the realities that pacman beat the the best warrior in their prime(barrera,ledwava$morales..jmm vs pacman 3..if jmm loss the pacman heaters say he is to old thats why he loss..ha,ha,ha..all pacman heaters beat my ass dudes.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:27:58 AM
boxing08nut:  I believe at what weight a fight happens is least on the equation. If a boxer contracts a fight in that weight, he believes he can deliver it otherwise, he is just jeopardizing his career. DLH fighting at 147 is gamble so with pacman.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:34:02 AM
pinoy_majesty:  Pinoy is in da house!!! Enjoy what you're witnessing right now peeps!!! You're witnessing history! Mr. Pacquiao is the Abraham Lincoln of boxing! The best fighter to ever lace them up and he's from the homeland!!! Pinoy is in da house!!! 2008's universal, undisputed, and absolute consensus Fighter of the Year will do it again in 2009 with wins over Hatton, Mayweather, and Margarito!!! Don't hate, just LOVE!!! Face the music, Margarito is a bum, a fad, a flavor of the week! Mr. Pacquiao is da man 4eva!!! Pinoy is in da house!!! Peace out peeps!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:37:50 AM
RIVERSIDE:  i like manny's way of thinking, get roach out of way,he needs to fight the best boxers out there ,margarito, hatton, cotto, cintron, mayweather if greatness is his destiny, he will win, roach is worrry his meal ticket will come to an end if he fights brutal punchers
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:40:00 AM
Robert Curtis:  I love Manny and think he's the best thing in boxing trunks these days. But I have a question for Manny's mighty fanbase out there. Are Manny's arms NOT too short to box with God? Diaz wasn't much of a challenge and Oscar entered the ring as light and dusty as dry toast. Hatton isn't the same kind of world-shaker as Pacquiao, but Ricky is a natural at his weight and no quitter. I'll pick Manny over the Mancunian in a close one, but you can't tell me that it'll be easy. As for Margarito, come on, folks. Manny would have to duck tons of thunder and then fight a perfect inside fight against that tall tornado. And what edge does Manny have over Money May? Speed, skills, power, experience? I can't think of one. If anyone else can, let us know.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:43:46 AM
cletoreyes:  @ robert curtis...manny has the courage to have a piece of margarito while your floyd JOY mayweather duck big hitters like cotto and margarito.... even if manny does badly with margarito(if that happens) your floyd JOY mayweather wasnt even close to hinting to fight margarito... my question is what does you floyd JOY mayweather have over MP?....
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:55:38 AM
Solo:  I agree with you Robert Curtis, and I am part of that fanbase. When it comes to Mayweather, I think Manny holds only the edge in Heart. Mayweather has always shown heart in the ring, but Manny's is pure and in abundance. Another thing I like is Manny's commitment, not to the sport of boxing, but the commitment to his punches and gameplan. I hope this fight comes to fruition, but first things first. PacMan has to navigate through the Hatton Wonderland...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:14:16 AM
Solo:  ...Are you there....Ricky Hatton? - - - We'll see. Very dangerous fight for both men!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:16:20 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  MPVIC...No one is envious of Manny. Maybe you haven't been in the ring. Don't put that label on everyone here. You just don't want to hear the truth. I keep hearing sad excuses that when Manny got KO'd that he was drained from making weight, why couldn't it be that he just got KO'd, why all the excuses. he got KO'd in 3 rounds You guys are the first ones to come with excuses, well .It didn't look like it to me. He was throwing punches but he was running around the ring like a bunny rabbit, which nothing still has changed. PinoyMajesty called Margarito a bum, like I said that so called bum has never been KO'd. Manny don't have that title under his belt do he. Has Floyd been KO'd? So we should be talking can Manny take the punches of Floyd, Margarito, Cotto. Manny couldn't beat Cintron. Manny Fight a Live body!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:25:41 AM
FightFanWest:  Why is it that when Floyd boxes you guys say he runs but when Manny is hopping around so call boxes you say it's boxing. Floyd stands right in the pocket and make you hit nothing. That's called defense. Floyd didn't beat Hatton on a UD. He TKO'd him. Hatton's head went into the turnbuckle. So if Manny wins how does that make him any better when Floyd already took the 0 from Hatton. If anyone one is jealous of someone U Pacman people are jealous of Floyd.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:33:44 AM
Gil P. Acosta:  If you ask me, I would rather fight a slower opponent even though he has powerful punches. Cotto is fast and packs power. Margarito is slower than ODLH. Being slower, Pacquiao can evade his punches because Pacquiao will be able to see his punches coming and even beat him to the punch.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:36:24 AM
jagger:  Calm down Freddie.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:38:33 AM
Humbleman:  I always came here to read comments but boy do I see a lot of hypocrisy here. I read comments that read how humble filipino people are. If that is the case go back and listen to all the ignorant and boisterous comments you make. I guess that's been humble where you come from
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:49:36 AM
july:  Mist people nowadays rely so much on statistics and pushes aside the other factors at play in a given situation. ' We live in a modern world ' they would say, and it's no wonder our lives has become a regimen of statistics on daily basis. Ftom the moment we wake up, then go to work, up to the moment we retire in bed. In Boxing this is more apparent, where observers, experts and fans alike rely most on the Tale of the Tape rather than the Tale of the Fighters themselves. But time and again "statistics' alone have been proven inaccurate a barometer to gauge the outcome of a bout. Height is not might and bigger is never always better. There are coubtless times that the intangibles and the unpredictable factors outweighs the statistics. We tend to forget that long ago warriors fought to the finish regardless of size, wight, age, and so on. In my humble view I prefer the basics which are (1) Fighting Style (2) the Chin and the ability to withstand assault, and most of all (3) the Heart of the warrior, against the Tale of the Tape which to me is peripheral. If Manny believes he can win against Margarito, then I have no doubt he can do so because up there in the ring he is the Pacman --his fate is written in the stars. The beauty of the heavens is not there as a decoration for our amusement. It is a blueprint for us to ponder.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:56:34 AM
Humbleman:  I always came here to read comments but boy do I see a lot of hypocrisy here. I read comments that read how humble filipino people are. If that is the case go back and listen to all the ignorant and boisterous comments you make. I guess that's been humble where you come from
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 11:12:20 AM
sweet science:  box fan-- a little long winded, but you absolutely nailed it. haters will always be haters. that's why the key is to enjoy the ride while it lasts and simply block out the naysayers and not let them ruin your trip. as we all know, typically in the boxing world, a fighter's shelf life is short. 4-5 great years. maybe a few more ''decent'' years. if you're really lucky, 2 or 3 megafights in your career. and if you're really really lucky, he fairs well in 2 of the 3 megafights... with that said, for all the pacquiao fans, the man has given us one incredibly long ride of.....pure ectasy. rarely fights a ''tuneup'' fight. has been fighting 2-3 fights per year for the past 5yrs. every single year has fought at least 1 (if not 2) huge fights. and outside of the 1st morales fight (which he still gave us our $'s worth, even if it wasn't the outcome we were looking for), the dude has been absolutely phenomenal. not sure about other boxing fans, but i'm not looking forward to manny hanging them up after 2-3 more fights.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 11:43:17 AM
Radam G aka Humble PRG and know the meaning of the H word:  Wow! I haven't seen this much hatred of a boxer since I was a little kid hanging out in GOAT Muhammad Ali's training camps. Haters hate and talk about it because they cannot never be about it, I recall the words of the great one. "You'll know how great you are by how many bigots and clowns hate you," he said. "But they pay to see you. It doesn't matter if they pay for your arse to get beat, just as long as they pay." When I get back to the States, I'm going to drop in on the great one at his home in the West Coast "A" state. He is, and was, the humblest -- never gullible or vunerable. Except when he let Don King and the cult of the "Nation of Islam" rip him off. Holla!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:12:36 PM
FightFanWest in Australia being humble:  radamg...Lets meet. You do a lot of name dropping. I know who I am and I know what I do. So with all of that lets meet wherever you like. No one hates Manny, it's just he's over rated and he will be exposed. Just like Zab Judah was exposed. He was over rated. Edison Miranda, Manfredo,Jr. Lacy, Taylor all over rated. That's all. But like Humbleman said. Humble people don't go name dropping the way you do.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:12:01 PM
Speedmaster:  Folks, hear me! DLH did not make any excuses after being run over flat by the PacMan Express. Who are you here to make excuses for and in behalf of DLH? Give credit where it is due. We all saw how Pac demolished Diaz and DLH. Those 2 fighters did not come to the right with a sticker on their heads: "hey come Manny, hit me". They are there both wanting to win and fight but just fall short. Ask the other 40 something fighters the Pac beat and sent to the canvas. I'm sure they would tell you they came to face Manny with the intention of beating him... Must I say more?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:27:27 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  From reading all these comments I understand why all the Pacfanatics out there are making there case about a fight with Margarito. He wants the world to know that he truly is fearless, but i got to disagree with him on this. I've analyzed Margs fights and he has a rock solid chin and is also is fearless of what is coming at him. If Manny had the size equal to Marg then I can see why. But that truly is Manny talking from his abilities and heart.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:41:53 PM
Trench too far:  Man all these pinoy dreamers beatin down on the fatton batton an blinded by pride its gunna be the same thing costin manilla thrillas hide....Oscar crashtest dummy garbage can golden grouch all the world saw wot a slouch...Manila thrilla manny aint no troy cos he gave a beating to golden grey ol boy. Diaz hand picked n bound to get licked proved wot..nuthin ..not like fatton batton who'dish the real ruffin duffin. Manila mighty mouse Thrillas body is weak hear gud his a** kissas the pinoy is no super freak..His 1st real test will put him to rest Fatton Battons beatin wont take too long!!!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:46:17 PM
ano ni mouse:  Considering that most xperts' xcuse is legit..Oscar was drained from losing weight. The 1st three rounds... Oscar still being fresh ... is sufficient enough to gauge his chances against manny whether he is his natural self or not. It just did not matter...more so in the latter rounds when so called ''xcuse' have had taken its toll. So dear X-perts..x-cuses..x-men...x-wives...it just didn't matter at all. I'm not a a manny fanatic but i'm juz basing my opinion on a very objective observation. Trust me, the gentleman, Oscar, wasn't lying when he conceded without excuses.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:00:12 PM
pinoy_majesty:  Pinoy is in da house!!! Yo, Mr. Manny Pacquiao would give Margarito a tornado like whirling, whippin' up on him and tossing him around like a ragdoll when he's thru! Just face it, Mr. Manny Pacquiao is the best boxer of all times P4P and will continue to destroy anyone in his way! Pinoy is in da house!!! The Hatton fight will be fun for a couple of rounds but the perfect pinoy pugilist Mr. Pacquiao will pound him into submission inside of 5!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:04:25 PM
Pete (The Real OCDeal) Egley:  I am officially jumping aboard the Manny Pac-Man Pacquiao bandwagon. He deserves it man. He beat a superstar in Oscar De La Hoya. I am now the new #1 Pac-Man Fan. The talk stops now (here?). Anyway, TL Fox says that Melinda Cooper is super, so, if her match with kid fire Simone Duarte happens it will probably be a learning experience, as the also undefeated Duarte has only had 8 pro fights. BUT. A certain Melissa Huracan Hernandez also had little pro experience when she upset Amazing Layla McCarter in their rematch. And Pac-Man beat a superstar, right?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:17:46 PM
Humbleman:  An you people say you are humble. If Mr. Pacquiao is what you say he is then it will come to the forefront. From what I have seen he is has been Knocked out in previous bouts so therefore his chin is not durable and he has been hurt with bodyshots so he is not invincible. Maybe he is humbe because when a man is fearful of something or someone that's when he is most quiet.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:24:23 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Trench you need to fix your lame duck comment cause it don't make any sense i mean literaly. Manny is humble outside the ring but rumbles inside the ring, catch my drift.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:47:10 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  I get it you're trying to sound like Radam.LOL
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:49:04 PM
HUMBLE:  def. of humble is when you talk of other people expose how low other people are, while at same time bragging about yourself and how much you travel i think. i can smell toilet overflowing again
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:09:39 PM
Jerry Lee Lucas:  I find it fascinating that Pac Man was TWICE RENDERED UNCONSCIOUS in the 3rd round by Rustico Torrecampo & Medgoen Singsurat. These guys are not exactly household names. Would they even qualify for a local toughman contest? And they were both about 100 pounds soaking wet. What has Pacquiao really done? He's beaten a chorus of great Mexican champions, though most were way past his prime. And let's not forget, a SHOT Erik Morales actually beat Pacquiao. Juan Manuel Marquez is in his prime, though against him he has a draw and a win (both unsettled and very debatable). I just don't get it. Pac Man is ALWAYS entertaining, gives a great fight every time, is the anti-Tarver, but when you're talking GREATNESS, he's just not there. He's a very good fighter, but not great and these people calling him P4P all-time are simply delusional and ignoring the facts. Joe Calzaghe never lost and kept winning during all of Pac Man's KO losses and draws, etc, but gets no respect.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:22:57 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Hey Radam, remember when we were laught at when we would repeatedly argue that Pacquiao is the best there is. Now we got everyone talking about The Pride of the Philippines. They might as well call this site The Manny Pacquiao(TMP).
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:30:03 PM
Yuvie:  Man, talk about extreme views from two sides. Absolute lovers and absolute haters. This is getting to that Mayweather stage now where people are arguing for the sake of arguing, knowing full well they will not get one up on eachother. I, for one, am actually hoping Pac stays out of the headlines for a while. Just so we can actually start talking about someone else.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:18:19 PM
RIVERSIDE:  i need to agree with j.l. lucas, pacman is good fighter quick with power,not too many GOOD fighter have come out of the phillipines, as say mexico, u.s.a, or puerto rico, so when one good one comes along, it's greatest of all time, a guess j.m.m. is second greatest of all time by a hair
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:21:12 PM
Trench too far:  Pacfan p4p pmsl.. i dig what ya sayin as a pinoy lurve train rater or fatton batton thrilla killa hater but ...ya dont me, manilla thrilla might mouse manny , hell he aint no tranny n rumble can'he ..proven,not a lot up from a slot ..fatton batton bashes gud no matter the manilla thrilla plot ...but hey you uncle pinoy rice lurve traincrispy duck buck .. stuck in a ruck wi a simple cryptic riddle rap dunt tell me ya need it spelt out av a biatch slap!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:22:27 PM
ganiRENDS:  THEIR'S NO WAY MANNY COULD GO BACK TO 135lbs..FOR WHAT..IF MARQUEZ IS INTERESTED THEN, HE SHOULD STALK MANNY @ 140..BUT EVEN THEN, I DOUBT IF MANNY THINKS IT'S WORTH IT. TO ME HE'D RATHER FIGHT MARGARITO RATHER THAN MARQUEZ. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HEAVY, BUT IT'S A FIGHT THAT GIVES MORE CREDIT IN HIS RESUME. MARQUEZ IS GONE..AND TO MARQUEZ FANS "LET BYGONES BE BYGONES". THE TRAIN HAS LEFT HIM IN "CRYTOWN", WHEN MANNY FOUGHT DAVID DIAZ. PAC IS ON A HIGHER LEVEL..THEIR'S NO TURNING BACK, IT WOULD JUST RUIN HIS STATUS NOW, IF HE TURNS HIS BACK. BIG MEGA FIGHTS/BIG BUCKS ON HIS WAY BABY!!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 04:41:32 PM
Jhonny:  HAHA Riverside THAT is a great point: "I guess Juan Manuel Marquez is the 2nd best fighter of all time." Pac Man will lose in 2009, mark my words. Hatton will beat and expose him at 140 and then he'll lose his comeback fight. People are giving Oscar WAY too much credit. The guy was comatose. Heck, my grandfather could have kicked Oscar's butt that night, and he's in a nursing home.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:00:18 PM
Bill Gates:  Mr. Borges, take my question at face value sir... What if Pacquiao beats Hatton, Mayweather and Margarito? Where will he land on your all time P4P list? And oh I really find the Pac Haters very perplexing... They who criticize Pacquiao for beating old fighters are egging Pacquiao to face their man Marquez! Marquez is 36! Beating him offers Pacquiao litlle incentive IMHO.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:14:17 PM
Coco:  Manny beats one old guy who had a step and a half out of boxing and now he thinks he can call the shots???? Whatever. Manny is a good fighter but he is looking past Ricky Hatton. Ricky has a good chance in doing some damage to Pacquiao, and if Ricky can't get the job done, I'm sure Mayweather will bring him back to earth.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:14:34 PM
oskar:  To all Filipinos here, be humble...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 05:49:04 PM
Robery Brown:  To the person who said OSCAR is not on his natural weight class,,,, well OSCAR was a welterwight for a long time before he moved-up in weight, so if theres' one WHO'S NOT FIGHTING ON HIS NATURAL WEIGHT, IT;S MANNY AND NOT OSCAR... ONE MORE THING, OSCAR MOVED DOWN ONLY(1) WEIGHT CLASS FOR THIS FIGHT, AND MANNY MOVED-UP 2 (W/C IS ALMOST 3 WEIGHT CLASSES IN MY OPINION) BUT STILL MANAGED TO KEEP HIS POWER AND SPEED, That;s IMPRESSIVE MAN! I don;t know what you'r thinking or ff if you;re not impressw/ the man. GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT;'S DUE MAN. MANNY IS SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE" nuff said
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:24:56 PM
Fistic Fury:  I honestly think that if it was up to him, Manny would get in the ring with Floyd and Margarito, etc because he seems to have no fear but it isn't up to him because he is under the guidance of his advisors who I believe to be Roach and Arum and they know who will and who won't beat him. Manny seems to be one of those fighters who needs controlling/guiding as he doesn't know whats best for him and would take on impossible tasks. IMPOSSIBLE TASKS LIKE FLOYD AND MARGARITO...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:49:19 PM
Oploksward:  thats boxing all about.if you want to be the best fight the best,big or small it doesn't matter. Like pacman always saying he will fight anybody presented to him by his promoter.you unbelievers stop crying,mayweather just fight for money not for his country. thats what separates manny from the rest its our pride and honor thats is always at the line whenever he fights.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 06:53:10 PM
donputo69 chilling in Miami beach:  thank you SOHK...you nailed it to that fool PAC#1moron...listen you fool...nobody is hating on pacman...as of matter of fact, I like pacquiao...but little by little, I'm starting not to like him...what's gonna happen when he gets his bell rung and get ktfo?...where are you so called pacmania fans are gonna be at?...ya just like roaches...trust me...pacquiao don't want it with cotto,margarito,cintron,or williams...he will get killed...but it's all good...enjoy ya little run you's have now with pacquiao...because after him, who ya gonna root for?....hatton?...LOL...holla back!!!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:11:58 PM
FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus:  J.L.Lucas..RIVERSIDE..JHONNY..COCO. If you notice no one answers your questions or makes any comments because you hit it right on the nose. When you tell the truth the Manny fanactics don't like it. Manny is a good fighter but to make it seem as though he's one of the all time greats that's totally ridiculous. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they are saying he's the greatest to ever fight in the philippines. Then I can agree with that. But in the U.S. he's not even a discussion.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:18:26 PM
Myke978488:  Hey HUMBLE, Manny was a completely different fighter back then... As far as Manny not having a chin?! Well who was the last guy that has knocked him down after Morales?! Another thing, Ur saying that Manny is scared?! scared of what?! This man has nothing to lose but a lot to gain... So wat if he losses to Hatton?! He has already made his mark... Forget the fighters that he's beat... Just think about how he moved up from 106 all the way to 147 and never backed down from anyone... That's F-ing greatness right there... Also leave JMM outta this... Pacquiao/Marquez is over... You guys r just bringing him up because He's the closest guy to beating Manny... Straight up hatin but its cool... Talking about being humble... I'm a real Pac fan and trust me on this We'll just let the fists do the talking...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:08:20 PM
Myke978488:  Manny wants to fight the best out there... That's the only reason y He's said what he's said... And to make us Flips proud...
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:14:55 PM
topher:  all i can say is speed kills.. but manny doesn' t only have the speed , he also has the power so speed+power = knockout cold
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:15:16 PM
Moron_Expert:  C'mon people no one is really a true expert wen it comes to boxing, dnt pretend dat you know dis nd you knw dat! The important thing is the faith of the people to their idol! No one really knws da shit of boxing dat was i learned! Dammit! I lose my 100 bucks to oskie wen i bet 4 him wen he fought pac... But the little guy beat the hell out of him! So dammit! No one realy knws the shit of boxing dnt pretend being expert you shits!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:15:23 PM
ombao:  i am worried about hatton and mayweather...roach should do his best to train manny.. should have new tactics..
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:08:03 PM
Joshua:  Flips have only one champion every 1000 years and they think they are the best, one! only! one you guys have, get it?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:53:59 PM
TOMMY R:  I take nothing from pacman hes p4p and an incredibleeeeeee over achiver entering his prime and getting better but lets not get carried away w the dlh fight cause he had a walking dead man in front of him, hatton would have handled dlh just the same, hatton will be far more of a test
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 11:21:16 PM
Neophyte:  BOXINGFAN and BOXFAN… very refreshing to read comments from logical persons like u. It is sometimes very unnerving to read some preposterous posts, even from PacFans like me. Do keep it up to give some balance and sanity in our discussions and arguments. To all PacFans, let's be sober and level-headed in our comments. Cheers, panieros…..
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 11:38:33 PM
FinalRound:  Pacquiao at his best is nowhere near these guys when they were at there best at there weights..Azumah Nelson, Julio C. Chavez,Roberto Duran, Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Meldrick Taylor, Pernell Whitaker,Diego Corrales, Michael Carbajal, Esteban DeJesus etc.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 11:46:56 PM
Neophyte:  FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus: “But in the U.S. he's not even a discussion.”…….hey man, check your facts! Manny has been fighting in USofA for the last 3 years or so. And he’s bringing in warm bodies and butts into all his venues. Manny-Ricky will be held in Vegas, “the Mecca of Boxing”; WHY??. Look at other boxing websites, mags, reports, newspapers, ESPN, Yahoo, RING…I thought they are in USofA !...duhhh
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 11:54:13 PM
Neophyte:  FinalRound..... i agree that Manny is not that high yet in the list of ATG's! Shadows of critics and skeptics are lurking big. He's a sure fire Hall of Fame ticket,...but his legend as an ATG is still cooking...... beating Ricky and Floyd will cement his legacy. He can or he might not, so let's just wait and don't dismiss anything outrigth. Meantime we enjoy the ride in his fyts, which are worth the hard earned penny out of our pockets. His fyts not only bring excitement in the ring; drama, intrigue and suspense are all thrown in.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:06:11 AM
Neophyte:  Joshua......The Philippines already have 2 boxers in the Intrernational Boxing Hall of Fame; For your info from the Archives of IBHOF:...xxx....Francisco “Pancho Villa” Guilledo is considered by many to be the greatest Asian fighter in boxing history. Just over five feet tall, Villa was explosive and unrelenting in the ring. He had fought 105 times, sometimes with as little as a week between bouts, by the time of his death at age 24 due to infection of the throat cavity...xxx... Gabriel "Flash" Elorde is widely considered as one of the greatest Filipino boxers of all time along with flyweight champion in the 1920s, Pancho Villa . cheers........
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:17:51 AM
SANDMAN:  TO THOSE BITCHING THAT DLH AND FLOYD WILL WIN AGAINST PAC IN THEIR 'NATURAL WEIGHT': WHAT IS PACQUIO'S NATURAL WEIGHT? EXACTLY....DUMBASSES
Friday Jan 9, 2009 01:44:36 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  reynolds anong vovo?hahahahaha!if arum did not promote the second fight then manny would have lost.as for the first fight, manny was clearly beaten and that should not be a draw.knockdowns?that will not win a fight its the punches brother and clearly jmm had more punches than manny threw in the first and second fights.reynolds alam mo ikaw ang bobo.bwahahaha
Friday Jan 9, 2009 03:23:55 AM
Jamie:  great to see someone like Manny who will fight anyone. Also great to see there are a lot of good boxers out there for him to fight. Would love to see PBF V pacman.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 05:56:48 AM
oskar:  Manny's natural fighting weight now is 140.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 07:44:15 AM
pacmanfan:  i don't think manny is kidding bout fighting margo. williams was able beat margo pretty easily i should say. when i watched that fight i had margo winning like 2 or 3 rds and those rds were close too. manny would beat the shit outta of margo from rds one to 11th cuz then margo would be knock out!!! or likely cuts on margo will end his career. lolz j/k margo. i think pacman is thinking bout fighting klistchko i think he's just too fast for him. they should just give manny a boxing crown and call him king lolz.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 08:45:10 AM
jagger:  There must be alot of rich people out there who won money on Pacman beating Oscar,the way all you Pacfans are talking.But i doubt it Oscar was odds on so none of you put your money where your mouth is,lets see if you dare bet against Ricky.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 09:30:21 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Neohyte great comment!!They just can't accept what Manny is achieving in the sport. My opinion is that I will put Manny above May in the ranks anyday because he is willing to fight anybody and will risk the sake of his record.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 11:28:48 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  After the two KO losses in Mannys' early career can you tell me when he was ever knockdown. He came back and learned from whatever mistake he had. To say he beat Old washed up fighters is so absurd!! You guys don't see that Manny will make his opponents look old by stomping the hell out them.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 11:34:23 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  You have nothin on Pac other than the two losses in early career. But nobody is saying that Calzaghe beat two 40+ years old fighters lol. It's funny how you guys can get so personal where you go all the way as to being racist.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 11:38:12 AM
FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus: :  Neophyte: I was talking about Manny not being a discussion here in the U.S. as an all-time great fighter here. I would think he's definitely an all time great in the philippines. So you have only 2 fighters in the philippines to be in a hall of fame over there? Have you ever heard of Salvador Sanchez? He is considered as an all time great Mexican fighter and he died at a young age as well. He was only 23. Of all the great mexican fighters that have come along. He is considered one of best. He was definitely one of my favorites
Friday Jan 9, 2009 11:38:40 AM
FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus: :  #1PacFan..You ask after the 2 losses early in Manny's career we have nothing but what do you have on Floyd and Calzaghe who have never lost. It's not personal at all. You say Calzaghe beat 2 40+ fighters but one of them 40+ fighters beat a young Pavlik. Calzaghe has never ducked anyone. He ruled the Super middleweight division for years. He wanted to fight those guys earlier in there careers but they refused to fight him. He didn't need them. They only fought him now because he is the man and they need him.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:04:33 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Don't mention Floyds' name in these, who has he fought lol? Are you serious? You actually think he gets that much credit for beating Hopkins. You think that 0 on his record really ranks him up there, it's the opponents you take that you get credit for. The explaination you give me i can backfire right back at you on who Manny fought and beatin decively. Manny knockout Barerra who later beat Hamed, Moralesx2, Juarez and Barerra was only 29 then.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:30:50 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express"LOL@FFW:  "Pacquiao is the exact opposite of Mayweather. He is kind and humble, while Mayweather is flamboyant and braggadocios. Pacquiao has fought anybody and everybody, while Mayweather has admitted that he only fights guys who can draw a big crowd." quote from Ringsidereport-heart of boxing.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 01:15:47 PM
slow an simple for benefit of Pacfan:  hm pacfan.....i see you believe everything in the media. Fool to your self. Floyd cannot be beaten by Manny, good to see there will be a lot of upset fools if it happens! Manny is not on any higher par than Hatton,,you believe ODH was the same fighter as against PBF then ya heads in the clouds baby
Friday Jan 9, 2009 05:02:12 PM
FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus: :  Like I said before when it's said and done Manny will not be talked about in the U.S. over Floyd so I hate to bust your bubble. Ali was flamboyant and braggadocious also. I guess you hated him as well. But no problem. I don't care what goes on in the philippines as far as who you guys have as fighters because you really don't breed good fighters. Let me just say this Calzaghe and Floyds record speaks for itself. They are undefeated all fighters put in front of them LOST! That's special. Neither have never been KO'd either. So if all 3 were to retire right now and they had to enter 2 of them in the hall of fame I guarantee you Manny is left off the ballot.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 05:07:37 PM
oskar:  I like that terminology "fistically", lol. I just wish Manny could really have a fight with Floyd Jr. so that we can see who is a much better fighter between the two of them with their own fist. Opinions are just opinions until the real fight begins.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 07:19:33 PM
vismin:  hi boxing fans!i know people are eager to see a hatton- pacquiao fight or a mayweather-pacquiao fight. both of them are good fighters. but of all the boxers that i have seen i think only manny has the skills the heart of a champion, he doesn't backs out thats are champions made of. and most of all he's not boastful compared to mayweather who show off his money in public and brags all the time.be careful floyd i think manny will be the only guy to beat you... but lets see it would be a great fight in the future...
Friday Jan 9, 2009 08:33:55 PM
Neophyte:  I say Amen! to all comments and opinions!! Just do away with outrageous remarks and refrain from racial slur and personal attacks. Floyd, Manny, JuanMa, Joe and Tony are still active fighters. Their history is still being written, we judge them 5, 10 20 years from now!! Cheers........
Friday Jan 9, 2009 09:12:54 PM
Roy Royal:  Manny P is the next hot fade in boxing right now. He has the right to confidence and challenge whom he may. All boxers go through this faze. Hatton and Pacman is a dam good fight. I am speaking from a fan of boxings point of veiw. Speaking from knowledge of the game, Manny can not win in a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. Out of all the fighters mentioned Manny and his trainer Roach never said that they would beat Mr. Head Huncho himself. Everyone that wants to be considered the best of the present they should want to fight the "Crim of the Crim." Manny has a lose so he showed that he can be hurt. (No if ands or Buts a lose is a lose.) We seen all these good fighters hurt and lose in the140-154 class. Floyd has fought against every trainer in boxing. Both trainer and boxer has not come up with a game plan to hurt, stop, or even frustrate the King of the crop. Much respect for Roach for keeping it real on the matter. If Mayweather never fought nobody how did he get his titles in all those different weight classes? If he runs in the ring, why is floyd consider to be a defense master? Floyds biggest challenge is Antonio Mar. He is a boxing brawler, he just stays to wide open for a mayweather. Floyd may no k'o Antonio, but he would win. Everyone must understand that Floyd can take what he gives some much of.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 09:52:17 PM
Mexicutioner:  FFW is just upset that Manny is considered the best there is.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 10:16:32 PM
Joe in LA:  FightFan you just need to accept that Manny is on top of his game. He is making history as we speak.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 10:22:50 PM
Radam G Aka Humble PRG beaming ____:  Jerry Lee Lucas, are you the same guy who use to be on the US All-Navy boxing team? If so, give me an ID by hollering out who was the late Navy boxer who died in the plane crash of US amateur boxers in Warsaw, Poland. Holla!
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 12:56:56 AM
superclyde:  Floyd Jones d Greatest is daydreaming and fooling himself, JMM winning over Manny??? Poor guy, cant accept JMM down four times in 24 rounds, how could JMM win??. After PACMAN-HATTON, PACMAN-COTTO is the next big thing in boxing if Pretty Boy does not come out of retirement.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 05:26:28 AM
FightFanWest :  RoyRoyal...That was well said. Sometimes people don't want to give credit so they blast the other person just because they are jealous because that person is just that good. I give credit to Manny that he is a good fighter. If you listen to the media, most of those people have never played a sport so they can make a person look better then they really are. My dream match this year definitely would be Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao and you will see Floyd do to Manny the same thing he has done to the previous 39 fighters. No one has yet figured out a game plan to beat Floyd. Manny has showed so many weaknesses. Got stopped by a bodyshot, Got KO'd by a head shot. I believe he will stop Manny. The only fighters that I think that have a shot at beating Floyd is Williams and Margarito.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 11:23:35 AM
FrightFanWestexeutioner:  A real fight fan, expert and anybody with commonsense know the different between a 106 lbs boy getting "knocked out" and a 140 lbs man. Floyd has been down, hurt, and has even turned his back to stop farther damage from dropping him. He is no superman. He comes to boxing after only fighting twice in almost four years and not fighting at all in over two years, he gets beat by a whole bunch of bangers.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 12:00:57 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG boarding the plane to Cali USA:  "#1 PacFan P4P Express," spot on! Manny is the MAN. And these haters-faders can't take it. Poetic Justice is awesome! It's PacMan Time! Holla! (For you haters and faders: CRY!!!
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 12:18:00 PM
Radame G aka Humble PRG:  Bumble Bee Long, are you in this world some where. Give me a code. Holla!
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 01:06:02 PM
FightFanWest :  LOL..U said Floyd turned his back..lol U are killin me. Did you ever hear anyone say Floyd is superman but I have heard ur people saying Manny is superman...lol Floyd has been hurt and still won! Manny got knocked down and I've fallen but I can't get up..lol So what is ur point? I'm a realist not some kind of knucklehead that just praises a fighter because he's mexican, black, white, armenian, etc RadamG. are you talking about a fighter Bumble Bee? Was he from Cali?
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 03:33:12 PM
leicester:  Manny is a great boxer,a true warrior and his recent results look good, but if you look a little deeper their not as impressive. He didn't really get into it with an old barerra in the rematch, Marquez won his rematch or at very least got a draw despite the knockdown, Diaz is a hard working pro but far to slow and easy to hit to be regarded as an elite fighter, and Oscar is a once great, part time fighter who got old on the night, badly messed up the weight and got exposed. There's alot of fighters who would have beat oscar just as easily on that night and hatton and Mayweather are two of them. I look forward to see who comes out on top of these three but the smart money's got to be on "gobshite floyd" at 147.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 06:15:46 PM
leicester:  Oh yes and if manny goes in the ring with margarito he stands no chance and thats why it will never happen. Magarito is a natural light middle who makes welter through extra running and hard work, Manny could hit him all night long but when he took one or two uppercuts he'd be out of there and probably on his way to hospital!
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 06:25:26 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  I have to disagree with Royal about the comment on Mayweather beating Marg and Pacquiao. Everyone has to realize that Floyd has never faced anyone with dangerous punching power and Marg and Pac assess those abilities. Margarito will not beat him to the punch but will catch sooner or later cutting off the ring. Pacquiao would catch Mayweather with a well placed punch because PBF would come to the fight so confident.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 09:00:35 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P \:  The reason why I and many blast at this guy Mayweather is because: He's a ducker, cherry picker(chooses his opponents), arrogant, big headed, and overrated. This guy believes to be the best ever even above the greats like Ali and Robinson but who has he fought? How many fights in your career? A mere 39 fights and you think you're done come on sooo overrated this guy. I believe he is rated where he is at is because there is no other American boxer that can be talked about in the sport. The last one was Lewis but was British owned he also left the game too soon.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 09:09:39 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express" :  Now you got a filipino boxer who some rate him higher than Mayweather criticize him like as if he knock out your dad. Manny is saving this sport that has been long dominated by Americans and carrying it all by his lonesome.This is the 21st century and we should realize it.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 09:15:59 PM
JR:  pacboy and margarito that is a joke pacboy will go down because he his to small. wen pacboy beat oscar he beat a big small guy margarito is a BIG BIG man and hard hitting puncher.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 01:14:42 AM
2pe:  Paman vs floyd, its gonna be a fight of the decade. Like duran and leonard. I' have never seen pacman fight like how he performed with ODH. HE keeps on improving. Each and every fight he displays quality and skills. I am looking forward to this fight. When the east storm meets the west typhoon. It's gonna be a perpect storm.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 06:18:05 AM
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Sunday Jan 11, 2009 07:58:00 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  superclyde sorry dude you are the one who can't accept jmm exposed manny and even defeated him.i said it before i'll say it again knockdowns won't let a boxer win a fight!poor dude canj't accept realities!
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 08:08:34 AM
FightFanWest:  #1PacFan..No one is fearful of Manny's power at 140 or 147..He doesn't have any power at those weights. That is so lame. U say Floyd has never faced anyone with dangerous punching power..So are you telling me Diego Corrales who Floyd knocked down 5 or 6 times and then stopped him, Jose Luis Castillo who he fought twicw, didn't have power..He fought these guys when they were at there best. Not past there prime. What he does better then anyone else is he takes your power away. So since you are saying that then tell me WHO HAS MANNY FOUGHT THAT HAS DANGEROUS POWER? That's just jealousy man. Ali use to say he was the greatest of all times, if he didn't say it no one would have believed it. Manny has not saved boxing. When Manny gets knocked out again boxing is like the streets on the road. It will always be there.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 09:47:21 AM
FightFanWest:  Floyd beat Hatton who was undefeated and has a better resume then Manny and also his opponents were much tougher then the opponents of Manny. Floyd beat Oscar, Judah. So before you stick your foot in your mouth, think about it and tell me What has Manny done that Floyd hasn't. Also Floyd was with Top Rank for 36 fights and Top Rank picked who he fought so who was he ducking? Top Rank also picks Manny, Cotto and Margarito's fights and use to pick Oscars fights as well. So is Margarito ducking Williams, Clottey? Did Oscar duck Tszyu, Phillips, etc. Is Cotto ducking Williams, Clottey,Cintron? Is Manny ducking every good fighter at 135?
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 10:19:05 AM
FightFanWest:  #1PacFan..Ricky Hatton stopped Jose Luis Castillo, did that make Hatton a better fighter then Floyd? We know what the outcome was..So you say that Manny stopped Oscar you are saying just because of that Manny is a better fighter then Floyd. You better wake up and smell the coffee.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 02:20:44 PM
Easy:  Humbleman sounds like Salt Lover missing his meds.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 05:03:01 PM
Leicester:  How can anyone criticise pacquiao's opponents at 126 and 130, I fancy Floyd to beat manny but how can anyone dismiss what he did against Barerra twice, Marquez twice and Morales three times, he may not have won them all but true greats take risks thats how we find out what there made of. Floyds not taken a 50/50 fight since castillo scared the life out of him, even though he would most probably win them, if Ali had dodged Frazier, Foreman and Norton would we still have known his worth?
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 06:57:15 PM
oskar:  It’s obvious that some people discredit most of Manny's previous opponent to discredit him too, its ok by the end of 2009 they’ll understand why Manny has so much following in his homeland.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 08:06:22 PM
FightFanWest:  I don't discredit Manny for his wins but you guys always discredit Floyd for everything. And all I'm doing is letting you guys know that Floyd has accomplished everything that Manny has and more. It's okay for you guys to always criticise Floyd but yet this guy is undefeated 39-0 and has won 5 titles in 5 weight divisions. So how do you get all those titles ducking fighters.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 10:01:22 PM
oskar:  Well I didn’t discredit Floyd Jr. sure he has his own thing they both have a different style but like what Roach said perhaps before the year is out it will be decided not by people’s opinion alone but by the two of them. I just don’t buy the past prime thing Barrera and Morales were both 29 when they fought him, now Pacman is 30 and still improving his game.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 10:39:00 PM
Radam G Aka Humble PRG in his winning ways at Barona Casino in Lakeside, cali:  Gosh! Manny is no doubt the most exciting and the most well known pugilist in the game. He transcends the hurt business in the ways that Muhammad Ali did it in yesteryears. Maybe even better than Ali. Because in Ali's day there was not a whole lot of access to the Internet. Manny is the most known boxer in both worlds -- on earth and in cyberspace. Holla!
Monday Jan 12, 2009 01:00:38 AM
arbee:  ducking. Juanmanuel marquez BRAVE. Regarding the issue of ducking, he had the propensity of ducking opponents. He did it to hasheem and Pacman. I watched some of JMM fights for the past 5 years recently and I just noticed how skillful Marquez is. Until I read the accompanying news from his previous fights and how, for more than 4 years after the controversial draw against Manuel Pacman of Puerto Rico?/mexico?/philippines?, he avoided a rematch against Manuel Pacman even with the enormous amount of money involve. He chose Chris John of Indonesia for 30,000 dollars as opponent. For 4 years did he avoid a second confrontation with Manuel P. until he became smart suddenly that fighting Manuel Pacman is a sure mountain of treasure win or lose...Suddenly became smart and brave boxer...learned that only courage brings you to uncharted richness..and he learned it now that's why he's challenging the MPacman everyday. For his time is short. But MPacman is wiser. He knows that Marquez is not a wise investment, not marketable, and at 36, Golden Boy mgt. knows it too well.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 01:01:22 AM
arbee:  "There is a reason he (Pacman) doesn't want to fight me again," the Mexican-born Marquez said through an interpreter. "But that's the fight I've wanted, I've made no secret of it." to quote Marquez from his ESPN interview yesterday. After his bout with Diaz, even if he wins, why should Mpacman settle for some doughnuts fighting him when he can fight FloydM or Margarito for an apple serve on a golden saucer inside a Bugatti on a cruise ship? Fighting Marquez is definitely a waste of time and resources for Pacman. And we are not even talking courage, skills , winning and losing here. Intelligent boxers know where to invest their efforts in. It is their profession. Boxers who use their knuckles more than their brains are knuckleheads. Boxing is a profession. You are in because you want to earn. Intelligent boxers know the risk so well or must have intelligent advisers to tell them that.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 01:08:51 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  oskar a boxers prime is not based on his age.be sure you know what you talk about before commenting man.barrera and morales where so battle scarred even if they were 29 when they fought pacman.meaning to say they have been drained because of the great and gruelling fights that they have been in the professional ranks and amateur ranks.barrera alone has 50plus fights in the amateur and morales had 100.how many amateur fights did manny go through?then manny comes along although of the same age with the the two mexicans, he never fought quality opponents before them thus making him so fresh as compared to barrera and terible.when tarver fought jones jr.he was 35plus years old(can't remember the exact age)but was considered fresh since he never fought tough battles.remember why roach insisted that morales should be penalized if he goes beyond 130?that was roach's plan coz he knows morales was having a hard time making weight and that morales was no longer the same fighter in 130.roach knew they will be having a hard time if they fought him at 135.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 02:54:11 AM
oskar:  Well if there is no age basis how can some one say that a fighter is past his prime? It's easy to point out with out a proper basis I mean would you agree if I said that Marquez defeated Casamayor because he is past his prime? Well then Marquez is no different with Manny why only discredit Manny?
Monday Jan 12, 2009 04:33:50 AM
oskar:  The basis about they have been drained because of the great and grueling fights that they have been in the professional ranks and amateur ranks that's just another excuse I mean all fighters fight what if a fight last only 1 round or 2 rounds does that count to your basis of excuse? What if a fighter doesn’t get hit much from his amateur to professional fights does that count? Better count how many times they got punch from all their fight if your gonna come out with that excuse.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 04:51:16 AM
oskar:  I thought Roach want to pinenalized Morales if he goes 130 is because it’s the weight limit. I guess it should be okay if Morales goes 135 he shouldn't be pinenalized is that your point.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 06:03:20 AM
Leicester:  Pacquiao destroyed a prime Barerra ask Nazeem Hamed and as for the wear and tear of an amatuer career, 4 x 2minute rounds with head gear wont jade a fighter, it is where they tune their skills, maybe a fighter can lose interest if he has been in the game a long time, amatuer an pro, but Morales didn't look uninterested when he beat many did he!
Monday Jan 12, 2009 11:45:54 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Arbee i have been trying to explain that everyone for like a million years now and they still don't get. Marquez was the one who REFUSED a rematch with Manny. Like i said before Corrales(r.i.p.) was a wreckless fight with a glass chin, how many times has he been knockdown? Castillo was like a Margarito but couldn't take punches. Who has Floyd ducked? Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Clottey, Cintron, and Tszyu. All these guys called Floyd out and he ignored them all. Manny on the other hand accepted every challenge that was brought to him. Who did he take the titles from?
Monday Jan 12, 2009 01:32:46 PM
Theboyb901:  #1 Pacfan P4P "Express" didn't you just read what FightFanWest said, Top Rank picked his fights...he was with them for 36 fights. That's a true statement. And if any of the fighters you name call out Manny and he loses does that make him any better than Floyd. No! Floyd will come back and fight Manny and he will KO him. Then everyone will start with their excuses. Manny will not have an easy time with Hatton like people think.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 04:19:20 PM
FightFanWest:  Thanks THEBOYB901...U have to ignore some of these guys, they don't want to hear the truth, they just want to talk a lot of nonsense. Manny if he didn't fight Oscar he would have had to fight Humberto Soto. Soto had called him out asking Manny to come and get revenge for him beating up Bobby Pacquiao. Manny went with the money, That's no different then Floyd going for the money. Ask Manny which is more important MONEY or PRIDE and I'm sure it's the money. So what's the difference between him and Floyd. Now he doesn't want to go 50/50 with Hatton. But all of these people talk like Manny only fights for the filipinos..right..lol He fights for MONEY..Now instead of Money Mayweather we are going to have to call him MONEY MANNY!! LOL
Monday Jan 12, 2009 06:57:17 PM
FatKid:  They all fight for Money.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 08:29:16 PM
ShortBus Driver:  All aboaaard!!!
Monday Jan 12, 2009 09:49:47 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Boy that's one thing we don't make is excuses because Manny don't have any he loses a fight he goes and knocks a guy out in the rematch that's a true statement. Bob may have chosen his fighters for him but they were dangerous and hall of fame fighters. Compare the opponents with Floyds' to Mannys' and you'll see the difference. If Floyd had fought Margarito when called upon but lost against Marg i would not criticize the guy just because he put his record on the line. Us fight fans want the real fights!!It's all about respect, Floyd has not proven that he earns the respect i can give him.Win or lose against the Real Deal opponents you get my respect.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 09:53:46 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  FFW i can't believe you're still on that Soto deal. Let me tell you the whole deal, when Soto was callin out Pac there were a lot circling around of a possible Barrera or a Marquez rematch. Which would you prefer a fight with? A noname Soto, Barrera who i thought would have won if dumb Barrera didn't hit Marquez while down, or Marquez who had a title; had a draw in 1st fight and a bigger draw in fans and everybody wanting to see the rematch. I rest my case on that. And for you to put this Soto in the same sentence as these guys is overrated in my view. To make things worse for him he loses against Guzman who had no power that i considered that a pillow fight.What makes you think that Soto can beat Pac if Marquez can't even win with decision. Money has changed Pac a bit but he deserves every penny he makes and donates.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 10:20:06 PM
dogeater:  Hatton & Mayweather are both SHOT, they can be defeated. Margarito will be exposed by a fighter with skill & heart (Shane), a blueprint for Margarito's defeat will be evident. Cotto was already exposed by Margarito, his weakness has been magnified.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 10:42:31 PM
Conspiracy Paranoid:  It is imperative that Manny wins a close SD against Ricky to perpetuate the scheme to make money for all the promoters, trainers & boxers mentioned.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 10:57:20 PM
arbee:  this is to quote FightFanWest '...... Ask Manny which is more important MONEY or PRIDE and I'm sure it's the money....' You're right FIGHTFANWEST. Filipinos fight for something they don't have and you fight for something you don't have as well. Filipinos have great PRIDE but don't have money so they fight for money and you have money but don't have pride so you fight for PRIDE. Intelligent boxers know where to invest their efforts in. It is their profession. Boxers who use their knuckles more than their brains are knuckleheads. Boxing is a profession. You are in because you want to earn. Intelligent boxers know the risk so well or must have intelligent advisers to tell them that.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 12:06:59 AM
oskar:  Some really don't get it let say 50/50 share both for Manny and Ricky. If Manny wins he will gain the belt of Hatton and the thought of being the best fighter at 140 but if Hatton wins he will gain every achievements of Manny the mythical title of n#1 p4p the F.O.Y. by WBC and ESPN. It’s more of the pride and the money.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 12:53:10 AM
oskar:  This site is the sweet science not the lucky science. I assume what I said about the past their prime is being criticized as nonsense. In general, as people grow older, their muscle fibers shrink in number and in size and become less sensitive to messages from the central nervous system. This contributes to a decrease in strength, balance, and coordination. Although there is no question that people experience at least some of these declines at about age 40 but their is also a study which suggest 50 and its more logically calculated with math but I prefer 40 because most boxers retire before or after age of 40.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 01:23:12 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  sorry oskar, i meant if morales goes beyond 130 thats the time he would be penalized.leicester i can not agree with you that the amateur ranks won't jade a fighter. as for morales beating manny,as you have watched that was an already fading fighter who should have moved to 135 at that time.remember he had difficulties making weight for the next two fights but of course roach knew that so he had a clause in the next two fights that morales would be penalized if he weighed more than 130 at the weigh in.hamed beaten by barrera is not surprising even the barrera of today would beat a prime but bum hamed.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 02:05:17 AM
oskar:  The fight begins in making weight its part of the fight every one goes through it so they should be prepared for it, no one is excuse. If its not important might as well disregard that rule, you'll never hear me say that excuse for the 2 looses of Pacman because for me its part the game.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 02:28:58 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  of course,i know that weight is part of the game but i do understand money is also a big part of boxing.morales knew he has problems on his weight for the second and third fight but everyone knows he took on the fight because of the money.for him it was a business transactions.for manny's loss to torrecampo it was not weight which caused him to lose as he was so young and inexperienced that time.i admire him in the fight against the thai,he was really dehydrated but still fought the dude.oskar there are stupid excuses and there are valid ones and i think morales and paquiao having weight issues during their respective losses are valid excuses to rethink and analyze if they truly lost.as for the basis of a boxer's prime, it would be a combo of age and ring wear and tear like the quality fights that a fighter goes thru,his hits and etc.love our discussion!unlike other pacfans, you use sound arguments and do not use any stupid comments like your dumb,your gay, and etc.thanks man!i do not hate pac iam just dissecting his bouts and ring style.i know his a warrior but i still see a mere mike tyson in his style which i can never like.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 04:25:42 AM
oskar:  I don’t know exactly the details with Torrecampo but if my info are correct Manny weighs under the weight limit for that fight so he used heavier gloves but a loss is a loss they shouldn't forced that fight just so the show must go on just like with Singsurat. I think they learned from it that’s why they are strict with weight limit. As a fan I like to exchange intelligent thoughts because boxing has so much science in it which proves we can learn something not just brutal fighting.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 06:15:50 AM
oskar:  I still disagree with weight limit as a valid excuse because for me if a fighter accepts the fight despite a disadvantage it’s his fault not the other fighter.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 06:47:01 AM
Solo:  Oskar, you're right. Manny had to use heavier gloves for the fight with Torrecampo, becuase he faulted in making his weight. Weight limit, IMO, is not a valid excuse for a loss, but to me it can be factored in when deternmining wear and tear or a pugilist.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 10:23:43 AM
Solo:  on a pugilist.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 10:24:29 AM
#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":  Now we're talking boxing great exchanges!! This be my last comment on this page. Lates.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 03:20:08 PM
Neophyte:  good exchange now,...keep it up! and for those guys up above the posts,..keep it up as well....your not posting i mean. hehehe. post your comments when u are already sober, u all know who is who ........I'll make my prediction on the fyt when i see or read about the the boxer's training camp. cheers....
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 09:39:04 PM
ShortBus Driver:  What an exchange about the skill of making weight - sometihng that is so trivial in the fight game. If your impressed by that then what do you know? Freaking IRRITATING!! Hey!!! stop the pretense. Get on the Bus!!!!
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 11:03:23 PM
Leeman:  I think Manny has the chance of beating Floyd: 1.) Floyd has been inactive in the ring (meaning prize fights, not gym time) and probably will be for more than a year. 2.) Manny is constantly developing as a fighter and improving 3.) He has Freddie Roach, one of the premier trainers just like Mayweather Sr. and Angelo Dundee 4.) Manny can bang and has the power to hurt Floyd 5.) Manny's ring IQ has improved with time 6.) Floyd doesn't like trading Two years ago, or even one year ago I would say Manny would not be able to win, but with what he has shown in the last year, ithnk it is very possible b/c Manny is constantly improving, while Floyd's style has not changed much (sit agst the ropes, or the pocket, and dodge and counter). Just my opinion. And in response to Zay (he said Pac fighters past their prime), my opinion is that he PUTS fighters past their prime. There was an article two weeks ago aobut how the US Presidency causes the President to age two times faster. Well, with that, a single fight can put a fighter past his prime. Oscar De La Hoya even said 3-4 years ago that a fighter can get old in a night. I think DLH would have had about 2-3 fights in him if he did not fight Manny that night. Oh well, too bad. I would have loved to see DLH try to rematch Mayweather, and fight one or two more times. Pc.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 03:39:56 PM
oskar:  I think the age requirement for Presidency in the US is 35, near at the age of 40. In my opinion if you’re near the age of 40 the body tends to recover less than normal. Fighters from the past fights greater wars compare to now but they fought almost pass 30.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 07:34:22 PM
oskar:  I mean pass 30
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 07:36:34 PM
oskar:  I meant pass 30 not almost.
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 10:30:43 PM
arbee:  Hatton will know on fight night why PACMAN's opponents keep on missing on their defenses that blinding-fast left crosses and straights. MPacman will have tons of those for Hatton's right jaw. The one that Floyd jr. luckily hit by chance when he was so tired trying to just finish the round against Hatton. It was just a short left cross that hit Hatton's right jaw. . Floyd was so surprised to see Hatton on the deck with that short-left cross and was not even his trademark power punch and he was surprised first-then ecstatic. So, PACMAN will just follow the same route to show it again that it's indeed a glass jaw. MPACMAN is a SLEDGEHAMMER on a JACKHAMMER mode. MPACMAN by KO inside 5 rounds.
Friday Jan 16, 2009 10:00:23 PM
kleatus:  ha ha ha. do you really think manny will beat ricky hatton at 140lb...you lot are dreaming LMAO.
Tuesday Jan 27, 2009 08:22:03 AM
Jazzy Lyle:  Hello...Well...It's May 3??/...I'm a Manny fan!!! you can do it Manny!!!..I'm a Filipino.,.(one eight American..) And..I'm now In Philippines...Well...Actually,,It's our town fiesta in May3...
Thursday Apr 23, 2009 09:08:03 PM
arbee:  see! Glass JAW indeed. Glass Jaw just in 2 rounds.
Saturday May 9, 2009 09:42:02 AM

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