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Another Day, Another Victim For Margarito
By David A. Avila
MONTEBELLO, CA.-A decade has passed since Antonio Margarito first arrived in Southern California as an unknown lanky boxer out of the rough streets of Tijuana.
Now the WBA welterweight titleholder trains in the lower middle class area of Montebello, California in a gym that was formerly a warehouse and now has been converted to a fulltime boxing gym. Margarito tears through sparring partners like it’s a challenge to his manhood.
He means business.
It’s all business now for Margarito (37-5, 27 KOs) who prepares to face legendary Southern California prizefighter Sugar Shane Mosley (45-5, 38 KOs) at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Jan. 24. A sold out crowd is expected at the venue that houses the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers.
Gone are the days he would sit around clowning with guys like Alejandro “Cobrita” Gonzalez, Chino Garcia, Hector Lopez and Astro Boy in the dark second story boxing gym behind the Olympic Auditorium. One is retired, one is incarcerated, another reportedly expired and Garcia is on the last lap as a prizefighter.
Margarito is the man now.
The crowds gather around the Montebello gym hoping to get a glimpse of the boxer known as the “Tijuana Tornado.” They take turns peering through the window to see Margarito run through his daily regimen.
Just a year ago the crowds were much smaller. But a year ago Margarito hadn’t decisively beaten Puerto Rico’s undefeated Pound for Pound fighter Miguel Cotto. That win catapulted him to mega star status from every point in the country of Mexico, not just Tijuana.
“You should have seen the crowds for him,” said Sergio Diaz, who co-manages Margarito and accompanied him to Mexico City to receive his belt and recognition. “It was crazy.”
Even sparring sessions bring dozens of onlookers eager to see Mexico’s new favorite son. It’s all new to Margarito.
Though fans are kept out of the boxing gym, the number of journalists and other boxers and their entourages packs the spacious gym that also serves as a Police Athletic League boxing facility for youths. One of the boxers who emerged from the area is Sergio Mora, the former WBC junior middleweight titleholder.
Margarito could close off the gym. Most of the elite boxers don’t allow journalists. It’s one of the reasons that professional boxing is dying out. Elitism has no place for a sport that needs publicity.
Before the days of pay-per-view fights, most major newspapers had a beat reporter that would generally live in the gym looking for a story or talent. Some gyms even had offices for the boxing reporters and photographers.
Those days are gone now. Today the elite boxers make millions of dollars and lose touch with reality.
Not Margarito. He knows most of the boxing writers by face whether they write for a rag tag quarterly newspaper with a circulation of 500, obscure web sites that pop up almost weekly, and the major newspapers from Mexico to England. It’s just the way he is.
The Tijuana fighter has that gutter to glory machismo that drives him every day to the gyms for a hard days work. Early in the mornings he runs more than most fighters run.
“I ran with him one time and almost died,” said one fighter who is a world titleholder. “He’s an animal.”
Margarito has that look of prizefighters from the 1950s minus the cauliflower ears and re-arranged noses. Though the lanky Tijuana boxer has absorbed massive blows from opponents throughout his career, it’s the other guy who’s taken more punishment. Remember Sebastian Lujan’s bloody dangling ear after he fought Margarito?
Sparring sessions are just like real fights, Margarito expects no quarter.
On a Friday afternoon three prizefighters warm up to prepare for war. First up, Pomona’s Ivan Stovall, a hard-hitting middleweight who has a blend of quick hands and powerful blows. For three rounds Stovall fires combinations and moves around the ring so that the Mexican fighter can’t unload bombs from a set position. Every so often Stovall lands a good blow, stops, looks, and realizes that it’s not a good idea as Margarito keeps coming forward winging his own punches like some kind of punching robot.
“He’s like a punching machine,” says a smiling Stovall. “It’s not that he has the fastest hands, he just never stops punching. He never gets tired.”
Stovall, a good friend of Mosley, shakes his head at the prospect of the future match up. He doesn’t know what to think of his buddy’s chances.
“Shane’s my boy,” says Stovall who is hoping to fight on the same card. “It’s going to be a good one.”
Next up is Jesus Soto Karass, a stable mate of Margarito and somewhat a clone of the Tijuana fighter. The boxer from Los Mochis could be fighting Puerto Rico’s Miguel Cotto, who lost his intended opponent to injury. But right now he’s just helping put his buddy.
Karass and Margarito are very familiar with each other’s style. For three rounds they go through the motions with the younger fighter landing lead right hands and moving away before Margarito can retaliate with his best.
It’s a mere three round formality with Margarito simply expending energy as Karass moves and fires. Outside of the ropes, looking up at the action, a young fighter out of Hollywood has a smile on his face. He’s next and likes what he sees.
Henry Mitchell has quick feet and quicker hands and has never been stopped despite a 50-50 record of eight wins and eight losses. After watching Margarito and Karass lumber for three rounds the 24-year-old Mitchell looks confident.
Once inside the ropes, Mitchell immediately uses his swiftness to move around the ring as Margarito trails him. Quick darting jabs shoot out but every time Mitchell punches he takes one in return. By the end of the first round Margarito has gauged the distance and increases the volume of punches fired. The look of confidence in Mitchell has been replaced with puzzlement. For the next two rounds the youngster absorbs a multitude of snapping uppercuts from different angles that send his head backward like a bobble-head doll. To his extreme credit, Mitchell never crumbles but the look in his eyes after the pounding he withstood is a sight. I guess he realizes why Margarito is a world champion.
The next day, Mitchell returns. He’s one of the few to return to spar with Margarito who has blown out several sparring partners in the past two weeks.
“He was supposed to spar with Sergio Mora but he couldn’t make it today because of an eye infection,” said German Villasenor, a spokesman for Team Margarito. “Tony has been destroying sparring partners.”
Will he be able to destroy Mosle, a three-division world champion?
“He has a lot of experience,” says Margarito.
According to Top Rank, co-promoters of the world title fight, tickets are going briskly so they opened up the upper levels beginning at $25. The event is expected to attract more than 18,000 fans. For more information go to www.ticketmaster.com.
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TOMMY R:
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Rito is a throw back who trains like a beast and is as tough a fighter mentally and physically as you will ever see, he could have fought in any era with any fighter in or around his weight and the scary thing is he is now entering his prime at just 29 or maybe he just turned 30, he has found himself as a fighter and knows just what he has to do inside that ring to take his opponents heart ans soul and then snatch there body, all this can be attribitted to the way the man trains
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 05:55:07 AM
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rudy:
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Good read Avila, nice insight of the Margarito camp.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 07:47:15 AM
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Anony:
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:::::: HELLO LADIES !!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU BUMS!!!! ok. Back to business... for the record, last year I did 13 predictions, won 11... and NEVER gave excuses for the 2 loses. hummm, not bad I guess. : ) My first prediction of the year will be Margarito winning by UD to Mosley. And I don't know if it will be all that of an entertaining fight because Mosley knows he depends on his speed and stamina to stay away from punishment. In fact, the only way to win Margarito is staying out of the way and use SPEED AS THE BEST OFFENSE... one, two... come out.. never stop to exchange... and stay away from the ropes is the only game plan that should be in Mosley's mind if he wants to stand a chance. BUT MARGARITO'S WILL CATCH HIM UP SOONER OR LATER AND WILL BRING THE MOST MEANINGFUL BLOWS SO THE JUDGES WILL BE IMPRESSED ENOUGH TO GRANT HIM THE UD!!!!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:00:22 AM
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donputo69 watching espn news:
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Can't wait for this fight....I just hope it will be a good fight...I see margarito winning this fight by UD...BREAKING NEWS: espn is reporting that scareweather is seriously thinking about coming out of retirement to fight klitschko...but only at a catch weight between 190 and 200lbs...I can't see wladimir going down to 200lbs...hey!!!! This is fantasy boxing...LOL...holla back!!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:30:20 AM
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Robert Curtis:
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Thanks, David. Impressive. Now what's going on in Mosely's camp?
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:29:12 AM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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Margarito is a beast, I'm looking really forward to this fight. I think it's going to be very exciting. Leaning toward Margarito. Even though Mosley fought Vargas and withstood his pressure. This is different, Margarito will keep coming and he doesn't struggle to make 147. I think he will eventually catch up to Mosley. I wasn't impressed with Mosley's victory over Mayorga. He looked slow.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:37:47 AM
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pinoy_majesty:
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Antonio is quite overrated and really all he has is his chin. Mr. Manny Pacquiao is da man!!!!! Pinoy in da house!!!!! I would really like Mr. Pacquiao to pound on this guy for a few rounds and then take him out. He'd do it with ease and I think Mr. Pacquiao is crazy to not take a fight with Margarito even for free. Shane ought to roll all over this guy. Most people on this site love Mr. Manny Pacquiao, and with good reason, and that's why they don't like Margarito, because he is simply overrated. What has he done? He beat Cotto in a fight that was stopped prematurely and he was losing. I do believe I recall him being bombed out by David Santos! And Williams whipped up on him! What's all thee fuss over Margarito. Pinoy in da house! Manny wouldn't lose, let alone lose to bums like that! Pinoy in da house!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 09:47:50 AM
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ag:
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Mosley may have bitten off more than he could ever hope to chew...even with his warrior mentality, speed and heart, Margarito will wear him down. He is relentless, brutal and not the kind of guy who plays well with others. Just keeps coming no matter what- reminds me of the bad guy in No Country For Old Men....
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:30:26 AM
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RIVERSIDE:
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it's going to be fight, shane is talking about margo not the biggest or strongest guy he has evere fought, which is saying mosley is going to go toe to toe, it will be devastating, margo by tko in 10
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:33:04 AM
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Isaiah Williams:
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Okay enough with this margarito is unstoppable stuff. Sure he rely on pressure but to think that fight after fight he will be able to walk through everything is stupid. My idol Saad Muhammad was the same way. There is always a chink somewhere. He is human. Unless he drinking from the Panama Lewis brown bottle.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:38:58 AM
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Pearl:
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No chance Big Daddy-O, and stop with the hate!!!!! It's the NEW YEAR, and PacMan will reign SUPREME again!!!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:55:55 AM
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Chi-Town O:
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What has Margarito done? Asks "Pinoy" or whatever this clowns name is, he not only is the champion but has had great fights that true boxing fans have watched over the years. The Santos fight that you are talking about was stopped because of a head butt and since they were in the opponents home turf he was given the nod. Anyway you talk about Pacquiao fighting this beast you must be crazy because he would not last 5 rounds with him, ask Freddie Roach; he stated that he would put his fighter in with a Klitschko rather than ever fight Margarito! So do me a favor and stop talking nonsense bro!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:02:55 AM
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andy from newcastle:
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Mosley UD, been saying it since the fight was announced, and I ain't changing my mind now. Sugar Shane is still the man, and his head is as hard as Margarito's so he isn't going down. I expect Shane to mix slick boxing, with in and out back peddling, ala Ali, and some in the trenches head and body work. Hard, tough, close, no knockdowns or even close to a KO, and at the end, a UD Suuuuugggggaaaaarrrrrrr Shaaaannnneeeee Mooooossssslllleeeeeyyyyy!!!!!!!!! Toonoy
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:36:43 AM
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ag:
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Agree with Riverside 100%
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:53:48 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG whereabouts -- none of yo' bitnezz:
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Nice piece, fightwriter David-Double-A! The Tijuana Tornado is everything that you scribbled. If the antwacky, slow Mosley who stop Mayorga shows up, the TT win crushes the Sugar cube. But if the Sugarman has been sippin' on B-Hop's fountain of youth, it will be a long night for TTT. Man, these tickets are so CHEAP! Starting at $25 and rising to $300. WOW! The Chinese Year of the Rat is going out, and the Year of Frog is coming in. Nobody is feeling moola froggy about promoting and holding this bout. Ugh! I smell a RAT. Enough said! Holla!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 12:00:03 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":
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This matchup is very intriging(is that how you spell that?) and I'm going to make a very bold prediction. If Mosleys' camp did their homework and analized the Williams fight I predict Mosley to come out the victor to make one of the best upsets of all time. Mosley needs to box Margarito throughout the whole fight like how he boxed Oscar. Mosley is good boxer and doesn't get enough credit he deserves. I see Mosley winning by a hair split decision.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 12:21:40 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":
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So Mosley don't trade shots if you want a shot at winning.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 12:23:42 PM
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Anony:
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::::: PINOY MAJESTY??? .... Margarito overrated? Pacman winning Margarito??? Cotto's fight was stopped prematurely??? Cotto was winning the fight??? (as much as I like Cotto, history went down very different obviously) DUDE... STOP SMOKING THAT THING!!!!!!! or share !!!!!!! hahahahaha.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 12:58:57 PM
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pinoy_majesty:
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Margarito is OVERRATED!!!!! He just is! Face the FACTS! He is NO Mr. Manny Pacquiao! He lost to Williams, who is lanky and brittle, and he lost to Santos! Heck, he was getting his hide handed to him by Clottey before he hurt his hand! Mr. Manny Pacquiao, the pinoy majesty, the P4P BEST OF ALL TIME, rocked and socked Oscar De La Renta in the immortal words of Lionel Ritchie "all night long!" That fight put him over the mountain as the best boxer in the history of man P4P. If Sugar Shane Mosley is in decent shape he ought to do a tune on Margarito and banish him back to obscurity! He would NEVER get in the ring with Mr. Manny Pacquiao! La vida loca pinoy-style!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 01:25:23 PM
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Morrison HIV+:
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Interesting article. Thanks. I like Margarito to pound out a convincing unanimous decision in this. Shane simply doesn't possess the power to keep Antonio off of him. The age factor has also made Shane a little less wily. It's possible there could be a late stoppage or corner stoppage, but more likely a 9 rounds to 3 type margin of victory for AM.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 01:31:17 PM
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rudy:
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Margarito will force Mosley to trade and will punish him in the process. KO in 8 for the Tijuana Tornado.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 01:39:42 PM
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Anonymous user:
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hey pinoy. Manny wouldn't stand a chance against Tony. Too much size and stregnth.I don't think u understand how tough this guy is.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 01:46:37 PM
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TONY'S FAN:
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facfans are in the wrong forum, this is margarito time, you guy's are trying to say it's okay for pacman to lose to morales, 3k battery and some unknown fighters in the past and be the best boxer in the world today, but it's not okay for margarito to loose 3 of his first 15 fights then two narrow decision against santos and williams and learn from his loses and be the best boxer in the world today, call tony flatfooted, slow, whatever you want to call him, it does not matter, then ask cotto, cintron and soon mosley for there opinion
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 02:33:08 PM
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btk:
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My pick for FOTY 2008, Tony Margarito, will win this decisively. I base FOTY on meaningful fights against top-tier opponents, not who made the most money. Tony's case got hurt by not fighting since July. Oh well, in any event, I think Shane will be brave and there will be all out action. A war. I like Tony M to start the year out right with a great performance.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 03:12:16 PM
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Yuvie:
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I have the exact same feelings about this fight as andy. Mosley to win this but I'd prefer Margarito to win.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 04:17:30 PM
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ely:
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First of all Margarito is underrated. What's all this overrated talk from idiots? Is it Margarito's fault he has been avoided for quite some time now. Margarito has a very exciting style and all the fights I have seen have lived up to that. Unlike the Delahoya/Pacquiao bore and many many more overhyped matches in 08. If anyone is overrated it is pacquiao. His vicories; Washed up out of prime Morales, Barrera,Delahoya and David Diaz just sucks but the one I can't stress enough is Juan Manuel Marquez got robbed twice. Don't believe me study those two. That is the definition of overrated. Anyway Margarito will stop mosley for the first time in his career mid-late rounds and send his old ass to retirement.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 04:45:52 PM
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Trench too far:
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Pinoy majesty aint that slick, a manila thrilla ass kissin ****, the true maulin brawlin majesty margarito wud snap his boy like a dorito. Manila thrilla Manny int no pinoy tranny ... to Majestic Margarito thrillas gattlin guns have less effect than fairy buns. Oscar garbage can golden grouch the real deal crash test dummy slouch showed us nothin bout manilla thrilla who against hatton meets the pinoy killa. Cotto, Margarito, n Hatton three, bash manilla thrilla down vanilla milkshakes for weeks again it be... the pinoy aint got no kong gorilla power nor nuff road runner speed ,against all three pinoys rice lurve train stops its the true Drago V Creed !!!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 05:14:17 PM
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donputo69 laughing at #1pacfan:
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yo #1pacfan?...you're a moron....stop smoking that $#!t..whatever it is...you make no sense at all...i mean, i love pacman, but if he fights cotto or margarito, he's gonna get destroyed real bad...trust me....i havent heard cotto's name comeout of pacquiao's mouth...he's not stupid...trust me...holla back!!!!
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 05:57:12 PM
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Boxer:
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I read that Freddie Roach said he would never let Pacman fight Margarito. Freddie is smart. But I'd still like to see that fight.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 08:09:47 PM
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ag:
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RADDAM: It wouldn't matter if Mosley drank something right out of Alice in Wonderland, the fountain of youth under B-Hop's estate or ate a case of Pop Eye spinach- Sugar don't stand up well during Tornadoes.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 10:43:40 PM
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FightFanWest:
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PinoyMajesty..You should be arrested for your own safety, anyone that makes statements like that would jump out of a plane without a parachute. You aaid the Cotto/Margarito fight was stopped prematurely?? Please explain that too me. At least so called Bum Margarito has never been KO'd. Laying face first kissing the canvas. You say he only has a chin, too bad Manny can't say that.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:14:43 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":
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Hey Puto stop trying to make a case for Cotto cause i think he's done. I never said Margarito in the mix, and i said Cotto wants to fight Pacquiao read it right moron. Look it up at Boxing confidential.
Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 11:24:03 PM
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dan r.:
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did someone say unanimous d!Thats a big unlikely there.Margarito the a prize fighter with the kind of flush fury power that we havent seen in a good while.He sticks on you like white on rice;unleashing his arsenal of power and just administers a smothering on you thats proven to be too much for the victim standing in front of him.Lets throw in the towel towards the end of 8.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:01:59 AM
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FightFanWest:
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ELY..Well said. Calzaghe, Williams, Darchinyan, Margarito are the best P4P fighters in the world. Moving from division to division doesn't make you P4P. Most people don't even know what that means I see. Manny is so over rated. We know who the real fighters are. Manny isn't one of them. Fight a Live Body!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 10:44:04 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG, a real boxing authority and yesteryears champion:
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Like the old timers use to say when posers, fakers, busters and basket cases use to come up in the gym telling inconsequential lies about being boxers, but had no boxing aptitude, culture (or smell), "Darn scoundrels are perpetrating a fraud." With that said, it will be a classic bout between the Tijuana Tornado and the Old Gun Sugar Shane. Don't be surprised about how well the Sugar will compete with TTT. The Sugarman will not make the mistake of Cotto. He will not be doing all that jitterbugging and histrionics. He will be slipping, sliding, ripping, dipping, clipping, riding, hiding, pecking, poking, crowding, turning, burning, parrying and blasting -- no unnecessary movements. There will be no way that TTT throws umpteen punches at the Sugarman. The Sugarman will be banging that liver, those ribs, the shoulders and that noggins. And the TT will be in a defensive shell, catching plenty of hell. There is a way to beat a tornado. Sugarman just may have the solution. Instead of this thing being a "Rumble in the Jungle," it is going to be the bottling of a Tijuana Tornado in a sweet poetic beat up and down in a city adjacent to the City of Angeles. I will be in the audience somewhere near PacMan. Holla!
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 12:49:16 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":
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FightFanwest you make me laugh so hard it hurts my stomach. Darchiyan P4P?LOLOLOL, the guy got knocked the @#$% out by Nonito Donaire who is a filipino prospect and champion thanks to him. Margarito is ranked 5th in my list, come on one win and you think he's superman, and i can now say that he ducked Williams for a rematch. What nonsense buddy.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:24:21 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":
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One more thing, what do you call it then when Mayweather was moving up pound for pound but taking on the weaklings. I don't think you know what pound for pound is all about. Remember Manny started at 106 to 147 and Mayweather started 130 to 154 catch my drift.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 01:29:42 PM
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FightFanWest:
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#1PacFan..Just because Floyd was moving up didn't make him p4p king. I can see u don't know what p4p really means. Darchinyan did get KO'd by Donaire and Donaire got revenge because Darchinyan beat his brother as well. Something that Manny won't do because he has no heart to fight Soto who told him come and get revenge for me beating up your brother....lol I like Donaire, he asked for a rematch but Donaire won't give him one. Hey Manny an Bobby sure have different bloodlines huh!..lol But maybe they do. What has the great Bobby Pacquiao done other then taste the canvas his entire career. He is a Bum of all BUMS!! Everybody is serving Bobby up like a plate of Sinigang na Baboy..lol
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 02:13:56 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express"LOL@FFW:
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FFW now you are getting in deep waters. We are talking about Manny and P4P aren't we? Now you bring up Bobby Pac, he is only fighting to make money didn't you know that,lol. He is like Mayorga a human punching bag, but he rocked the heck out of Soto in the 3rd round. Imagine what Pacman would do to him let's get real Soto is a noname fighter who loses when givin the opportunity. He got outclass by Guzman who is a Class C fighter. Then that must mean that Floyd was ranked run4money king then right?
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:02:09 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express"LOL@FFW:
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Please enlightened me as to why Floyd became P4P king as to my thoughts for being the RUN4money king.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 03:04:10 PM
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FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus:
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#1PacFan...I'm going to enlighten you on what p4p means, You do what you do better then anyone else no matter what division they are in. You say Manny went from 106 to 140. U think that's special huh...Well what's special is James Toney starting at 160 and now fighting heavyweight and still have never been KO'd or stopped. That's shows skills and defense. Fighting guys like Peter who weighed 257..That's almost a 100 pound difference. Jones, Jr went from Middleweight and won a heavyweight title. that doesn't make you a p4p king. No disrespect but It really seems that you guys just started watching the game since Manny came into existence
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:05:59 PM
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FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus:
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#1PacFan...I'm going to enlighten you on what p4p means, You do what you do better then anyone else no matter what division they are in. You say Manny went from 106 to 140. U think that's special huh...Well what's special is James Toney starting at 160 and now fighting heavyweight and still have never been KO'd or stopped. That's shows skills and defense. Fighting guys like Peter who weighed 257..That's almost a 100 pound difference. Jones, Jr went from Middleweight and won a heavyweight title. that doesn't make you a p4p king. No disrespect but It really seems that you guys just started watching the game since Manny came into existence
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 07:19:20 PM
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FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus:
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Vic has already told his promoter that he wants to fight Israel Vasquez. He use to spar against him.I'm not saying Vic is the greatest but he is a very good fighter. Have you ever heard of natural welterweights or natural middleweights? Those are special guys, they can make the same weight their entire careers. Like Marvin Haglar. He never left the middleweight division. Margarito is a natural welterweight. It doesn't make him weak no matter how old he gets. I don't know about you but what I say matters and the world takes notice.
Thursday Jan 8, 2009 09:24:45 PM
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Kool-Aid:
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January 24 can't get here quick enough!!!!! I got Mosley UD over Margarito...Mosley can take a punch and has quicker hands.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 10:48:53 AM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express"LOL@FFW:
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"You do what you do better then anyone else no matter what division they are in." Then what has Pacquiao prove since Flyweight, Batamweight, Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight? He was better than the opponent right lol?
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:45:52 PM
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Smiley C:
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I with my man, Koo-Aid. Fo' sure!
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:48:45 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express"LOL@FFW:
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"Well what's special is James Toney starting at 160 and now fighting heavyweight and still have never been KO'd or stopped. That's shows skills and defense. Fighting guys like Peter who weighed 257..That's almost a 100 pound difference." Having never been KOed makes a fighter special? There's a lot special fighters out there then. LOLOLOL.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 12:51:22 PM
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FightFanWest getting #1PacFan off the little yellow bus: :
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It's too bad that you are blind and you are showing your racism, that you hate to give anyone credit that has done things that Manny is incapable of doing. What Toney has done is very special. He has fought a who's who list of fighters and at the age of 40 he is still competing on a level where he shouldn't be. He started at 160 and now at heavyweight. He has a record of (71-6-3 43KO's). Never been KO'd or stopped. First of all Manny got KO'd by fighters who he was bigger then. He could never in his lifetime be fighting at 40. He is a first ballot hall of famer without a doubt. Why are you hating on something you know nothing about I see. #1PacFan..U are a funny little man!
Friday Jan 9, 2009 04:45:58 PM
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Salt lover:
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LOL!!!!!! Maaaaaaaan, the Pacquiao hype is making them Pacfans vomiting all garbage they can throw, that you don't know where to put anymore. Like I wrote before new year it's all the HYPE. When your fighter's on top, is SO easy to be frontin' and yapping disses to all the other fighters. All these Pacfans are the ones who're gonna extinct if when Pacquiao loses. Those are the same losers, who classify themselves as the "experts" and talking about money, yesterday's boxing, and many other stupid things (as if anybody care) and when they lose predictions they are making up all kind of strange excuses they can never escape from.................. Chi-town O, I don't know where you from, but if you're a Pacfan, props to you man. You're not a crap-talker like the rest of them spewers in this board. That's right, even (the) Roach doesn't wanna put Pacquiao against Tony. The Pacquiao hype is not blinding me at all. I don't think Pacquiao is going to have an easy night with Hatton in May. I think he has all he can handle against a fighter who (According to the Roach's theory) can "pull the trigger". That guy can "pull the trigger" at 140lbs very, very well. Maybe that fight can take all the Pacfakers in this place back to reality land. And against the likes of Tony, Cotto, and all they REAL-trigger pulling dawgs of the 147, I don't even wanna tell you.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 06:56:53 PM
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Salt lover:
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Now back to REALITY and to this fight: Tony Margarito is simply sending Mosley to retirement. Shane Mosley's last good fight was against Miguel Cotto, and he couldn't handle the pressure. In the beginning of the fight Mosley tried to go straight ahead a stronger, more powerful fighter and he had to go move away from him. No doubt he'll do the same with Tony, but from second 1. The problem is, those legs are not 25, 26, or even 30 year old legs. They're not gonna last to the constant, (almost) unstoppable pressure from the 'Tijuana Tornado'. All Mosley can train, hope, and fight for is survival. His movements and boxing are defintely NOT gonna be problem for the Tijuana man. Sure, maybe he'll make some noise in the first couple rounds, but at the end Tony's the one having his hands up, smiling....................... Almost everybody here who's going with Mosley to win, were the same losers who had Cotto winning against Tony.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 07:10:31 PM
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FightFanWest:
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SaltLover....Very well said..I agree with you on the entire package. Soon as Manny gets KO'd all of these Pacfans won't even be around. They are not TRUE boxing fans. They are only here because of Manny, that's why the editors here are doing what Bob Arum is doing with Manny; they are milking the situation. Trying to get as much out of it as possible because they know that Manny is capable of losing any minute. Then they will lose that filipino audience that supports him.
Friday Jan 9, 2009 09:11:08 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express"KOing Salty FFW into retirement:
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Now im no psychic but my prediction is as follows and if there were to be a defeat on Manny i will be the first to say i was wrong and make no excuses like ya'll was doing when Manny wins. It's no hype on this side i trully believe on my knowledge on Manny and what his limits are. This is Manny if he was to be defeated he would come back and avenge it without hesitation and that's what separates him from todays fighters. Remember when Manny wanted a rematch right away with Marquez but JMM wanted more piece of the pie and instead fought Chris John for less money and loss. It was said to be contraversial with that fight but Marquez never wanted a rematch. J.Diaz lost to Nate Campbell work his way back up but never mentioned of any rematch. Remember when Morales beat Manny in the first fight, he made sure that he got a rematch, "anytime anywhere.'
Friday Jan 9, 2009 10:08:59 PM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Legend":
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Win or lose i am here to stay!!!
Friday Jan 9, 2009 10:30:26 PM
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Nickel Slick Slim:
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Fight Fan West is Hard Knocks !!!! LOLOLOL Shane is gonna beat the brakes off Tornado and mak'em look ordinary . Watch it and label me a profit . Holla at ya boy !
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 01:12:48 AM
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Real Talk aint hopping on the wagon:
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I'm takin Shane Mosley . Yeah I said it !!! That's my pick . I've been watching a lot of Cotto /Margo and Margo/ Williams . Yeah Tony aint loss to a shorter fighter ....yet . Just like Hopkins aint lose to a southpaw til he met Slappy . Tornado don't put'em together too well when the gloves in his face . I see it going two ways . Mosley will give him angles and distances , quick hooks to the head , and get that eye . Slide inside the lanky shots , score , and tie him up or turn'em . Winning on points . Oh it's ways to slow down the volume . Either that or he gets caught with an Tony uppercut to the liver and packs it up early . He must've thrown like 50 uppers at Cotto's liver in that one . I aint never seen Mosley gased so I'm not worried about that one . ***Poof ....I'm out
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 01:19:19 AM
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FightFanWest :
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lol..Nickel Slick just because I agree with SOHK's i'm him....lol Okay I will be him. I'm also SaltLover, AG and Riverside. I will come back here and give you credit if Mosley do what you say he's going to do. Mosley if he could win it would be by a very close decision. If anyone gets stopped it will be Mosley getting stopped
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 11:31:08 AM
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Leicester:
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Mosely cannot stop Margarito! his only chance is on points like paul williams but i can't every see margarito starting that slow again.
Saturday Jan 10, 2009 06:30:46 PM
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Leicester:
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Margarito will stronger at 147 (160) than Mayorga was at 154(170) on fight night and Shane was worried by his strength. It's not his dad's help he'll miss, but Balco's!
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 07:05:07 PM
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Nickel Slick Slim:
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Hahahaha . Oh you are also Stik n Move . SOHK is FightFanWest and Stik n Move :) Mosley aint never been stopped and he's fought bigger and better than Margorito . You got to be the shiznit to be bestowed with the title SUGAR . Right or wrong ? I only recognize 3 Sugars .1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Sugar Ray Leonard 3. Sugar Shane Mosley . If you know of any legitamate others let me know . Mayorga is very arkward and was in the best shape I've seen ever (no homo) . He fought a smart , cautious fight and it paid off (KO) . Sometimes having a bad fight is a good thing . Tornado wouldn't have fought him if he slumped Matador early . It's a trip how many people write a fighter off after one bad night , but that what makes you great . Overcoming adversity , against all odds . Like when Sugar Ray Robinson lost to the Frenchman , got the rematch and lost every round , got his eye opened with the ref threatening to stop the fight . He told the ref "give me one more round " and knock the frenchman out cold . Sugar Ray Leonard had his moment in the first Hearns fight with one eye . It's gonna be a beauty .
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 08:24:01 PM
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FightFanWest:
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Cool...I'll be all of them...lol Thank you..I will also be KidKnockout, MagicMan, 2nd2None also okay...lol What about Sugar Deleon? I wasn't impressed with Mosley's win over Mayorga at all. He looked very slow and Mayorga smokes cigarettes. What do you expect..I just think that even though Margarito is slow as well that he will put that pressure on and back Mosley up the entire fight. I might start using the name Ray Robinson so look out.
Sunday Jan 11, 2009 10:21:20 PM
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fightfantex:
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ok pak is good but cmon guys , gonna ko margarito? get past jmm or cotto then talk ur smack , compubox showed pak getting outconnected in both fights with jmm,how is your boy gonna stand up to a full blown welterweight that owns the guiness book world record for most punches thrown in a round and fight? i agree with fightfanwest,all you pakfans must be new 2 boxing as soon as pak showed up.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 12:20:28 AM
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Nickel Slick Slim:
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I wasn't impressed either , but just because he won an ugly fight doesn't mean he aint got it no more . Don't do that to the great one lololol . Hollaaaaaa
Monday Jan 12, 2009 09:24:17 AM
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Nickel Slick Slim:
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......p.s. I was talking about SUGAR Ray Robinson
Monday Jan 12, 2009 09:25:58 AM
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#1 Pacfan P4P "Express":
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I've always wondered if some of these readers are the same person and using different names. Fake @$$es!!
Monday Jan 12, 2009 01:44:33 PM
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Dr. Votts:
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A Salt , I picked Margorito to win over Cotto . I'm now picking Mosley to win over Margorito . Why ? Because he's the better boxer , and fighter ...period . I'm not buying his legs are not this age or that age . Fighters last longer theses days when they take care of themselves . I never saw Mosley fold under pressure . The only thing that hurts Mosley is he likes to fight too much instead of box and use his gifts . He has great speed , takes a great shot , has underrated power , and is always in shape . I see Mosley landing a lot of uppercuts to Tony's face and tying him up . Frustrating him and not letting get into his rythm . It's not gonna be like Cotto's fight , Mosley will pick and choose his spots to rumble and give him a Hopkins vs Pavlik style boxing lesson . I want you to remember this comment now OK . Shalom
Monday Jan 12, 2009 03:56:50 PM
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Leicester:
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Dr votts, you think mosley is going to uppercut margarito out the fight, how? if he gets that close to margarito he's finished. I can't believe some people can't see what margarito does in the ring and how good and tough he is, tony's got to fight the wrong fight to lose, but he only fights one way. For some fighters being one dimensional is a flaw but for margarito it's his strength, he knows exactly what he's going to do and so does shane but will he be able to stop him. Sooner or probably later he will catch up with him and when he does he will hurt him but can mosley hurt margarito? shane's a natural welterweight who just pumped up for a while. Forest out hustled and roughed shane up in his prime and think it will happen again but this time i think his corner will pull him out, cotto boxed great for a good while but 12 rounds is along time to be hunted! As for the pavlik comparison, pavlik throws one twos but margarito throws non stop.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 04:53:35 PM
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Salt lover:
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Dr. Votts, I was gonna answer to you some things, but Leicester just wrote it before me: "I can't believe some people can't see what margarito does in the ring and how good and tough he is,." That's 100% correct. In the eyes of the majority, Tony is a one dimensional brawler and that's that. WRONG! Tony, yes, he comes foward, but he can do many things in the ring you realize once you get in the ring with him. And like Licester also wrote: "if he gets that close to margarito he's finished." As simple as that. You're right about that SOME (read it: SOME) old fighters last longer these days, but those are exceptions like Bernard Hopkins, and even Calzaghe. In my eyes, Mosley's not that exception. The Mayorga fight clearly explained it. And like I wrote before, Tony at 147 is stronger and more effective than the Mayorga at 160. And if Mosley's the better boxer in this fight, so was Miguel Cotto (Who outboxed and defeated Mosley), who couldn't handled him like he wanted to. Cotto landed good shots but there many things he couldn't do, especially attack the body. Margarito is more than a one dimensional fighter. And Cotto was, and it still is, a much bigger threat to Tony, than Mosley. The only weakness that I see in Tony in this fight is that he doesn't posses the REAL thing that beats Mosley, and that's a A+ jab. But at this stage of Mosley's career, I don't think Tony needs it. I see Tony either stopping (That's right, stopping) Mosley at the later rounds, or a clear UD in favor of the Mexican warrior.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 09:55:01 PM
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Salt lover:
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Oh! And about the LOSERS who picked Cotto to beat Margarito, I meant that to some Pacfans that, I don't know why, now they want Tony to lose. Everytime they're scared of somebody they want him to lose. I don't know why. Peace dude.
Monday Jan 12, 2009 09:57:38 PM
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Leicester:
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You're spot on Salt lover, Mayorga gave Mosley real problems and although some people say he was winning easily i didn't see it like and neither did shane, it was a great last seconds KO but he wasn't that desperate to put him away for nothing. When i said margarito's one dimensional i meant he will fight the way he always fights and he doesn't need any tricks. He lost his edge a little bit against clottey and williams due to not getting that big fights he deserved,and maybe that loss was a blesssing in disgiuse because since then i think he's been the best fighter(not boxer) on the planet. He will never be the smoothest boxer you'll see but he more than makes up for it with heart, determination and that chin , Imagine if he did have a good jab! Maybe he has already given us his best performance, maybe not, but that seventh round against cotto is one of the most impressive things i've seen in ring for a long time. I think Pacquiao is amazing, a throw back, but anyone who thinks he can beat Margarito at welterweight is deluded and that is no reflection on Manny's skills but he is just to big, strong and relentless.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 12:46:27 AM
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Ramonito eating rice:
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Manny fights only old guys past their prime.
Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 10:34:12 PM
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Not Hip To The Hype
"Haye has said that without the hype, boxing is boring. This tells you something about him as a fighter and as a man. And maybe something about his low expectations of his own value as a fighter. Why isn't his skill good enough? Which audience is he trying to impress? When I watch fights, I watch the contest, the skill, the drama, the match-up. Screw the circus hype."---TSS reader Mortcola, giving thumbs down on David Haye and his pre-fight antics
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