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Friday Dec 5, 2008

Arum thinks the bout will get more than a million buys. Many fans and even boxing powerbrokers hope the fight tanks on PPV, because they know the PPV model has kept boxing from replenishing its fanbase.

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RON BORGES Vegas Diary-Part 2

By Ron Borges

LAS VEGAS – A promoter, by the very nature of his job, is an optimist. But Bob Arum seems to be taking that to a new level this week.

      Amidst a sagging economy, American consumers putting away their credit cards and reducing their discretionary spending and the oncoming Christmas rush, Arum is trying to help sell this weekend’s pay-per-view fight between Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao for a premium charge of $54.95. In some cases, if a consumer wants the fight in HD his cable company will hit him for another $5 or $10.

      It would not seem this is the best of economic times to be trying to make such a sale but Arum sees it just the opposite.

      “I think this economy is going to help the fight!’’ Arum said passionately. “In this economy people don’t go out. They stay home. The average pay-per-view fight sells to a group of eight people. So if they buy De La Hoya-Pacquiao it’s cheaper than the eight of them going out to the movies for $10 a piece.

      “I think this is a good situation for this fight. It’s a marquee fight at a time when people are going to be home. That’s why it’s tracking so well.’’

      How well remains to be seen. When De La Hoya fought Floyd Mayweather, Jr. a year ago their fight shattered all pay-per-view records, doing more than two million buys. Not even Arum is ready to predict that record will be challenged but while some industry insiders are reluctant to predict the fight will reach one million paying homes, Arum insisted it should do in excess of that.

      But then again he’s not only a promoter but the one who once said in answer to a question pointing out a contradiction, “Yesterday I was lying. Today I’m telling the truth.’’

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      Among those on hand at the IBA Gym yesterday watching Manny Pacquiao being put through his paces by trainer Freddie Roach was former undisputed heavyweight champion Mike Tyson.

      Once the center of a seemingly endless string of public storms, Tyson appeared a quiet and forlorn figure yesterday as he watched Pacquiao working in the middle of the day.

       He stood off to the side, looking loose-bellied and far from in the fighting shape that had once terrorized so many heavyweight challengers.

      Roach, who trained him for a time, came over to say hello and inquired into what he was doing these days.

      “Nothing really,’’ Tyson said with characteristic honestly.

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      The bulk of the talk the past few days has centered on the size advantage De La Hoya seems to have against his far smaller opponent. Of all those speculating on whether De La Hoya will have superior punching power and hence be dominant, perhaps the man in the best position to know is De La Hoya’s conquorer and business partner, Bernard Hopkins.

      Hopkins is the only man to stop De La Hoya, dropping him with a body shot several years ago in the ninth round of their middleweight title fight. After that night De La Hoya returned to 154 pounds and has stayed there until agreeing to come down to the 147-pound welterweight limit to entice Pacquiao into what Hopkins feels will be a similar physical mismatch to the one he and De La Hoya engaged in.

      “It will take him a few rounds,’’ Hopkins said of De La Hoya, “but around the fifth or sixth round a shift will happen. That’s when Oscar is going to make Pacquiao change his style and his thinking.’’

      It is no accident that that was about the time Hopkins began to close the gap on De La Hoya, finally moving more boldly on his smaller opponent and asserting his will. Hopkins believes the pattern will be much the same Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

      At first Pacquiao’s speed will negate De La Hoya’s physical advantages but, Hopkins feels, as the rounds drag on and De La Hoya’s superior strength and punching power surface, Manny Pacquiao will begin to understand why people have long said a good big man beats a good little man.

      “Oscar’s going to take a couple of rounds to settle in. The first few rounds are going to be speed, speed, speed. They got to establish who’s going to be on offense and who’s going to be on defense. I don’t think Manny’s going to be on offense.’’

      If he’s not, then he isn’t going to be winning the fight, either. At least not in Hopkins’ opinion because he has little regard for Pacquiao’s defense.

      Always aggressive, Pacquiao does often leave himself open and vulnerable in an effort to be constantly on the offensive. But as Hopkins points out, every time you go on offense you also open up your defense.

      “Manny’s got a loosey-goosey defense. He’s all offense. He’ll pay for that. It’s going to be a bad year for Top Rank (Arum’s promotional company which handles both Pacquiao and Kelly Pavlik the middleweight champion Hopkins beat badly a month and a half ago.)”

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       De La Hoya (39-5, 30 KO) retains an unusual hold on boxing fans. Unlike most of his contemporaries it does not even seem to matter any more if he wins or not. His fans remain.

      Arguably, De La Hoya has lost all of the five biggest fights of his career – by stoppage to Hopkins and points losses to Shane Mosley (twice), Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Felix Trinidad. Yet somehow his popularity has remained unaffected.

      One man who is not surprised by that is rival promoter Don King, who will not be in attendance but who will be paying attention to the outcome with a professional eye.

      “He was a hero of the Olympics and he’s a personable guy,’’ King said of De La Hoya. “So it don’t surprise me that he’s still a big draw.

      “Every now and then he comes away with a victory but he’s got a loyal fan base where victory don’t matter. Usually you got to win those big fights but times and conditions change. Expectations change. Used to be with the networks if you lose they would not give you another date.

      “Boxing is the only sport where if you lose they throw you in the incinerator. You can see teams lose eight, nine, 10 in a row. They still go. But boxing is a unique business. You don’t win you out according to them. But not with Oscar. His fans are loyal.’’

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      Thursday trainers Freddie Roach and Nacho Beristain, who will handle Pacquiao and De La Hoya respectively Saturday night, gathered in the media center at the MGM Thursday for a trainer’s round table to discuss the fight.

      They didn’t sit at the same table.

      There is no love lost between these two for some reason, Beristain taking offense that Roach claims he knows De La Hoya well after only working with him for one fight and Roach still bristling at Beristain’s unsportsmanlike reaction to Pacquiao’s close points victory over Juan Manuel Marquez, whom Beristain also trains, earlier this year.

      Marquez, who is part of De La Hoya’s stable at Golden Boy Promotions, made clear yesterday during an appearance in the media center that Roach isn’t the only one who hasn’t gotten over the outcome of the second fight with Pacquiao.

      “Officially I lost the fight to Pacquiao but the people know who won,’’ said Marquez, who is anxiously  seeking a third fight with Pacquiao after losing a split decision and fighting him to a draw in their first two meetings.

      “After they stole the win from me against Pacquaio I moved on. Beating Joel Casamayor was a big victory.’’

      Marquez is among those Mexcian champions who are backing De La Hoya. Although he’d rather be backing himself in a rubber match with Pacquiao Marquez insisted that “I have other options.’’

      Yeah, watching Pacquiao fight De La Hoya.

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Son of Sam Peter:  Arum is demented. This fight will NOT do 1mm PPV buys. No chance. I'm predicting a "The Producers" like flop. Between 500k and 600k. That's it. There is so little buzz for this fight vis a vis Mayweather - Oscar it's ridiculous. People just aren't talking about it. It's a meaningless exhibition. THE FIGHT ISN'T FOR ANYTHING! That is the key. With Floyd, there was the perception a title was at stake and of course, he was undefeated, known to American fans, brash and adept at selling the fight. May of 2007 was a MUCH better time economically to boot. December of 2008 is akin to 1933 in the U.S. Only the die-hards will purchase this fight, the ones that sprung for Hopkins-Pavlik and Calzaghe-Jones. Although, many of them may have buyers remorse after viewing the cable bill and take a pass. Maybe PPV sales abroad will cushion the blow, but in the U.S., they will fall stupendously below expectations. I, for one, am not buying it. It's not for economic reasons but rather THE FIGHT ISN'T FOR ANYTHING! I'll pay for a Paul Williams - Pavlik middleweight title fight though.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 08:55:45 AM
Louie:  DId i read that Packyao was knocked out by two strawweights???? Did that really happen I thought he was suposed to be undefeetable????? OMG that's CRAZYY!!!!!!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 09:01:18 AM
*Barroid Bonds:  This fight's a farce. I think the Golden Girl's golden goose is going to lay and egg. And then it won't hatch. This is his last hurrah, ala Ali - Berbick "The Last Hurrah" in the Bahamas, only this is in Vegas. Oscar will no longer be able to dupe the public. Win, lose, or draw, his marketability ends tomorrow night. This is the De La Hoya housing bust. If he wants to fight on, he'll need to fight valid opponents (i.e. guys his size) on standard HBO, NOT PPV.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 09:10:13 AM
Big Daddy:  This "Fight" is such a joke.. Not that I'm recommending anyone spend even a dime for this crap.. but for a laugh.. checkout Ebay and other ticket auction sites.. Tickets are going for well below face value.. Anybody selling tickets to this FARCE is getting hosed.. LOL
Friday Dec 5, 2008 11:02:41 AM
Merry X-Mas:  You can probably sit IN FRONT of Radam for HALF the price..LMAO
Friday Dec 5, 2008 11:06:14 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  I agree BigDaddy..It's so much a JOKE!! This fight is about money not about talent. Arum says that the economy should help the fight..If they were concerned about the economy then why wouldn't they sell the fight on PPV for $24.95? And show the people they are concerned. Get Real! It's all about money. I will not be buying it and I will be somewhere trying to stream it for free. Junk like this fight is what's making people stray away from boxing.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 11:19:31 AM
Shep:  I agree Big Daddy - I'm more anxious to see the putrid PPV sales than the actual fight. 500k, I predict. And Arum said it will eclipse 2.2 million?? Does that guy need some smelling salt or what?!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 12:22:40 PM
Lacson:  not for milliions who are interested. if you think it's a joke then don't waste your time with it like making comments on articles about it. just do something else and don't let it stress you out.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 12:25:10 PM
OJ Simpson - 15 years in the pokey:  Somewhere, Nicole Brown Simpson and Robert Goldman are celebrating. As for the fight? I'll take Mr. Pacquiao to win. I think he'll bust up Oscar. Forbes put a lot of leather on him. I think he'll swell significantly in the bout. The crucial ingredient will be Manny's chin. IF it holds up, he wins. We'll know early if he's got it or not.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 12:53:50 PM
UBF:  It is an intriguing match. Pacquiao has a chance. It will be a tactical fight. And I dont want to left out when millions of fans around the world talk about it watching in real time with all the suspense, thrills and excitement. I will watch the fight. Sorry for you, guys!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 01:58:23 PM
rico:  Yeah, pacman, was knocked out but he was 16 when it happened.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 02:47:10 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG joking with the BIG bucks on AGOAT:  Yup! There will always be bouts that are jokes. Sugar Ray Leonard-Marvelous Marvin Hagler was "a joke," they said back then. Leon Spinks-Muhammad Ali was "a joke," they said back then. Mike Tyson-Buster Douglas was "a joke," they said back then. Cassius Clay-Sonny Liston was "a joke, " they said back then. Even Sugar Ray Leonard-Hector Camacho was "a joke" they said back then. Somebody even said that Dr VK -- the pee pee using heavy WBC king -- bout with the Nigerian Nightmare was "a joke." I could go on naming the "a joke" matches of all times, but haters repeat, just as it is said that life repeats itself. I love the upset winners in these joke bouts that everybody watches, despite the b*tching. Holla!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 02:47:18 PM
Roberto:  Yeah but Radam G, what is the common denominator in ALL of those fights you mentioned (with the exception of Camacho - Leonard, which WAS a joke...does anyone dispute that??)? They were for the title! Those fights mattered (minus Camacho - Leonard, even though a joke, was a title eliminator as Camacho got Oscar, then the champ, next). This fight is for NOTHING and is a joke!!!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 03:01:13 PM
Anonymous user:  Oscar says that people think that he's over the hill. Not me! I don't think that dude can find hill. He definitely cannot climb it with those bad toes. And for losing all that weight, he won't be able to find balance, stamina, energy, tough skins or power. He is hallucinating that he is on some type of unreachable boxing ivory tower. Come fight night, Oscar will flopping and Manny will be popping. Oscar's punches will be stalling. And by round seven, he'll be falling. It not to late to make your bet. It's going to be a Manny upset. Holla!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 03:36:35 PM
Davey:  This fight is a commercialised piece of junk between De La Ive been there done that Hoya and Manny over commercially hyped Pacquiao, Im not paying out for this fight. Im more interested in the Fight for the WBC Super Middle Weight title between Froch and Pascal at least this is two legit contenders to the title , plus this is going to map out the the Super middle weight division, and set up some good fights for the future.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 04:04:11 PM
BIGFREDO76:  WOW Radam you typing with fire on those fingers!!!!!!!!!!!!!What does it matter if its a joke or not.I havent posted in a minute but i keep my eye on the messages.I hope you get your monies worth on those "ringside" seats.IM dropping 59.99 im hurting but this fight has to many undertones if you know what i mean.BizNacho berstain has revenge on his mind cuz his other fighter couldnt calm the Fire Pacman brings.But i gots to go with the Golden BOY to big to strong.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 04:25:05 PM
sicsyder:  hating is alive and well in the boxing world. delahoya is boxings ONLY marketable draw, the sport is full of boxers who cant even fill their own living room, but a bunch of morons continue to disrespect the only man carrying this sport. im sure dlh knows hes not the fighter he once was but when has he ever been afraid to fight a contender? in my opinion mayweather should of never been given the opportunity to make REAL money, he ran from oscar all night. dlh like eveybody else actually thought floyd was gonna be man enough to fight like he made it seem in his side of the 24/7 series. hes a little coward and his best fight will be known as a split decision. manny is a great fighter and anybody saying this fight is a joke should just shut up and jump on the ufc's bandwagon. oscars a business man and those who continue to disrespect him are pathetic and jealous. how many of you so-called fans of boxing are so turned off by this fight that you wont bother watching?.........its his business to promote fights now, and whats wrong with including yourself in the card to make it a little more interesting?
Friday Dec 5, 2008 04:39:57 PM
donputo69 chilling in williamsburg bklyn:  welcome back bigpendeja76...we surely miss you...lmfaooo...anyway...I just found out that one of my borachones got 5 ringside tickets he got from his boss today...you know what that means...I will be in vegas saturday night....as of matter of fact, im leaving tonight....as for the fight?...I wish pacquiao will ko dlh...too bad that's not gonna happen....I see a late stoppage by the golden girl de la hoya....anyway...time for me to start getting ready for vegas tonight....yo radam g?...look for me in the strip...i'll be by the mgm...or by the tropicana....hope I can meet some of your peeps out there tomorrow...holla back!!!!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 05:35:37 PM
BIGFREDO76:  Wow some ladies never learn.tragalaga69 still throwing pebbles.5 ringside tickets?i guess huddling up in your room in your mamis house is considered ringside for a hater like you.But on to bigger and better things.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 08:23:30 PM
Lacson:  not for milliions who are interested. if you think it's a joke then don't waste your time with it like making comments on articles about it. just do something else and don't let it stress you out.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 08:29:26 PM
donputo69 heading to vegas:  lmfaoooo....hey pendeja76?...do I still get under your skin?....lmfaoooo...seems like it...relax homie...its only a website...stop crying like a lil girl you are...ok...its not ringside tickets...but I will only be 7 rows behind ringside....that's still good enough for me...wanna come with us pendeja76?....ooops my bad...you broke...just stay where you at in nebraska....lmfaoooo....holla back!!!!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 09:24:26 PM
wallstreet tycoon:  Odds are all against Pacman, therefore I'm going to bet my wallstreet money on Pacquiao! He will pursue dela hoya relentlessly in his usal fashion, maybe get hit more, but in the end he will bloodied the moviestar face of DLH. If the fight goes past 7 rounds, I wont be surprised to see Pacman knocking out a tired Golden Boy.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 10:34:10 PM
Real Talk:  Kepp them hands up Manny and MOVE !!!!oSCAR DON'T DO GOOD WITH ANGLES . dUECES
Friday Dec 5, 2008 11:56:13 PM
bodyshotkid:  Been a while since i posted. Firstly, a lotta people need to calm down! It's only a boxing match!!! You don't wanna watch it? Then don't watch it! Me 'n' the boys are hookin' up to watch the fight for FREE at one of our favourite bars in Hong Kong via a south african cable feed. Ha, ha, ha! If Manny pulls the upset we'll be downing a few cold beers in celebration! And the haters? You know they're gonna be on the net reading the fight reports and lookin' for clips on youtube and dailymotion coz that's just the way it is. Like any long time boxing fan i'm just hoping to see a good competitve fight and Manny's in such great shape that i reckon it just might be. We all know that Oscar should really be fighting My man Margarito though but he's decided to use Mosley as a sacrificial lamb instead!
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 07:44:17 AM
BIGFREDO76:  I guess i got under your skin putting your situtation out there.Stay in your fantasy world ringside seats and all.I guess since your youth youve been imagining situations like hitting the game winning shot or hittin a run tying homer.GO tell yourself you have ringside tickets to this Mega fight.Youre right its only a website so you can imagine How you wish you could live.Have fun in your room with all your Man friends.WOW talking bout flaming you and 5 men in your room your officially PATO69.later flammer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 03:57:11 PM
donputo69 chilling in las vegas blvd:  lmfaoooo...hey pendeja76?...yes....we will be in a room...con tu madre, tu hermana, tu prima, tu abuela and last but not least...tu tia....lmfaoooo....listen you fool...just enjoy the fight on your 19 inch tv...I will be enjoying the fight at the mgm grand...holla back susia76!!!!!
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 06:00:50 PM
BIGFREDO76:  Hey PAto 69 y u gotta bring up moms?yo se porque la tuya is a traga,ure abuela esta muerta and tu tia is really ure tio!!!!!!!!!!!!Unfortunately i dont have a crica eating sister like you but how was that Morcilla you ate all weekend y de rodillas?PATO69 come think of it i watched it on 19" screen pero tu te tragaste 19 inches!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sunday Dec 7, 2008 06:04:09 PM
martin:  1.3 million buys!
Thursday Dec 11, 2008 04:39:38 AM

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