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Ron Borges Vegas Diary-Part 1
By Ron Borges
LAS VEGAS – It’s Hype Day of Fight Week, the final big day of tub thumping before Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao fade from view until Saturday night’s concussive encounter between the two of them at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
Pacquiao showed up at the final press conference looking like an investment banker, sporting a blue tie and dark suit. De La Hoya showed up looking like a fighter in a grey sweatsuit with The RING logo on his chest and back. His cornermen wore similar outfits, all walking billboards for the boxing magazine De La Hoya bought over a year ago and is trying to resurrect. So while Pacquiao was dressed like an investment banker, De La Hoya was acting like one, advertising his product, which is still himself most of all.
De La Hoya is the kind of conglomerate that seldom comes along in sports. His holdings are bigger than Michael Jordan’s and rival those of Tiger Woods’ despite the fact he practices a dying sporting art – he boxes.
In the past two months two pay-per-view shows have done disappointing numbers, both Kelly Pavlik vs. Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe vs. Roy Jones doing less than 200,000 buys. That is a worrisome thing because while those shows struggled, a recent UFC mixed martial arts show did 850,000 buys, an omen some feel does not bode well for boxing’s long-term health.
But none of this seems to affect De La Hoya. The press conference is jammed with reporters from newspapers that haven’t covered a fight since, well, the last time De La Hoya entered the ring in Las Vegas, which was a year ago against Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
There are television crews everywhere and languages being used that range from English to Spanish to French to German to Japanese to Tagalog, the most widely spoken language in Pacquiao’s native Phillipines. Boxing may be struggling in the U.S. but internationally it seems to have reached a high note, a point Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, made clear.
“Boxing is not as vibrant as it once was in the United States but it’s not out-rating soccer in Great Britain,’’ Arum said with a straight face. “It’s competing with the Bundesliga (Germany’s major soccer league). My hope is we can get boxing back where people can see it where it belongs – on free TV.’’
This from one of the guys most responsible for taking it off free TV. Promoters like Arum, Don King, the late Dan Duva and now De La Hoya have all conspired against the long-term health of the sport by focusing on events like Saturday night’s – pay-per-view shows that limit the audience for the biggest fights and best advertisements for the sport.
Go figure.
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De La Hoya may be only a fighter Saturday night but Wednesday he was a salesman first, which seems right when you consider that his company is the lead promoter of what is expected to be the highest grossing fight of the year.
In the midst of a discussion about the fight, De La hoya broke into an infomercial for people on the fence about ponying up the $54.95 fee (and possibly $5 or $10 more to see it in HD depending on your individual cable system’s policy).
“We know it’s a tough economy,’’ De La Hoya said. “For a lot of fight fans it’s difficult. They have to pick and choose what fights to watch. They’ve picked and chosen this one (with a projected number of buys in excess of one million).
“One thing I pushed for as hard as I could with the sponsors was rebates. You buy a 12-pack of Tecate (beer) that you’re going to do any way and you get $20 back (in a rebate on the pay-per-view purchase of the fight).
“You move on and buy the Cazadores (tequila). You get $20 back. After the tequila some of you get happy, some of you get aggressive. To have that hype (before the fight) buy a Coca Cola Full Throttle (energy drink). You get $10 back. That’s $50 off so you watch the fight for free!’’
Unless, of course, you consume those 12 bottles of Tecate and that bottle of Cazadores tequila first. Do that and you’ll need more than one Full Throttle to be awake for the fight, whose main event figures to start around 11:30 p.m. East Coast time.
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Pacquiao’s promotional team began a Mexicans for Manny campaign, listing Julio Cesar Chavez and his son, Julio, Jr., as well as welterweight champion Antonio Margarito and Jorge Arce as Pacquiao backers. De La Hoya’s associate, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, countered by parading out a who’s who of retired Mexican champions to stand with De La Hoya.
They included Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate, Pipino Cuevas, Chiquita Gonzalez, Rudolpho Gonzalez, Rudy Carmona, Juan Manuel Marquez and his brother Rafael, Israel Vasquez, Oscar Larios and Daniel Zaragoza. De La Hoya came down from the podium to shake each of their hands before announcing they would sign 50 canvas pieces cut from the ring on which Juan Manuel Marquez defeated Marco Antonio Barrera for $500 apiece.
“One hundred per cent of the proceeds will go to a charity for Mexican fighters,’’ Schaefer said. “The first recipient will be the family of Daniel Aguillon.’’
Aguillon was a Mexican fighter who died following a knockout loss in Las Vegas last month. He left behind a wife and two children. De La Hoya has agreed to match each purchase with another $500, meaning the Aguillon family could end up with $50,000.
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Despite the charitable nature of the presence of those Mexican champions, Arum found a way to turn it inside out, pointing out that most of those champions were “a little bit long in the tooth.’’
“It was very impressive to have all these Mexican champions up here,’’ Arum said. “Great champions with great accomplishments, but most of them are a little bit long in the tooth. It reminds me of the Presidential election. In John McCain you had a candidate who was a man of great accomplishments but he was a little bit slow. A little bit long in the tooth.
“Oscar De La Hoya is a man of great accomplishments but like John McCain. A little bit long in the tooth. A little bit slow.’’
After which Arum compared a 135-pound Filipino boxer to President-elect Barack Obama.
That’s absurd but that’s boxing.
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This is a fight that has brought together some of the biggest names in boxing, including 87-year-old trainer Angelo Dundee. Dundee continues to work with young fighters but remains best known for training first Muhammad Ali and then Sugar Ray Leonard for some of the biggest fights in boxing history.
De La Hoya brought him in as a “technical advisor’’ to work with his latest new trainer (No. 7) Nacho Beristain. Wednesday Dundee said he had been studying tape of both fighters and has come to the conclusion that Pacquiao has some fatal flaws, including locking his right leg when he throws, which makes him more vulnerable to being countered, and lunging in and throwing wide when he comes inside.
His prediction, not surprisingly, is that his fighter, De La Hoya, will win because “he’s the bigger man and he’s a better fighter.’’
But he also made clear that, in the end, the people who will decide the fight are not the trainers but rather the men they’ve trained.
“How can you say anything but good stuff about Freddie Roach,’’ Dundee said of Pacquiao’s trainer. “He was taught by my old friend Eddie Futch. But let me tell you I remember once a guy came to my gym, Fifth Street Gym in Miami. He said he was from Las Vegas and fought for Eddie Futch.
“I called Eddie and he said do what you can for him. So we get a fight and the corner guys were me, Eddie Futch and Freddie Roach. You know what?
“He got licked! It didn’t mean nothing who was in the corner. The important thing is the fighter on the stool.’’
Of all the words uttered at yesterday’s final press conference and through a long afternoon spent milling around Las Vegas, those few were the whole truth.
“It didn’t mean nothing who was in the corner. The important thing is the fighter on the stool.’’
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Former lightweight champion Jim Watt, a erudite Scotsman who does boxing commentary for Sky TV in Great Britain, looked at De La Hoya and Pacquiao and came to a two-word conclusion on the outcome.
“Too big,’’ Watt said, echoing the feelings of many boxing insiders.
Watt said he had looked for many ways to see Pacquiao come out a winner but was unable to do so because he kept coming back to the same conclusion.
“Manny has been a lightweight for one fight so he’s not really coming up two weight classes,’’ Watt said. “He’s coming up three weight classes.
Here is a breakdown of the weight difference between the two dating back to 1995.
1995 27 pounds
1996 27 pounds
1997 32 pounds
1998 34 pounds
1999 31 pounds
2000 27 pounds
2001 33 pounds
2002 33 pounds
2003 30 pounds
2004 33 pounds
2005 De La Hoya did not fight
2006 24 pounds
2007 25 pounds
2008 18 pounds.
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Radam G aka Humble PRG:
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I'll be back. Oscar is skin and bones. Manny is muscle and muscle. Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 08:40:48 AM
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Big Daddy:
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Let's Get Rrrrrrready to Hype!!!!! .... In this corner we have the challenger.. Dizzy for Ca$H.. A Filipino Flash.. A Munchkin that want's to turn Oscar into a Pumpkin.. Bloated so his Pockets could get Loaded .... MANNY " MONEY GRUBBIN' " PACQUIAO!!!!....And In the Other Corner...Standing a Manute Bol'esque 5'11" 147 pounds .. Haters Love to Hate and Women wanna Date.. Still Golden, But FAR from a Boy... Any Boxer's Biggest PayDay, No Need for Layaway... Boxing's RainMaker... OSCAR the" GOLDEN TICKET " DE LA HOYA !!!!!!!!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 09:38:14 AM
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SNAPPER-1:
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this fight is such a joke. it's beeing marketed to the same people who still think of Mike Tyson when they think of boxing. FOOLS!!! i still say oscar will win but i realy hope manny embarrases him.
Sorry MIke!!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 10:36:04 AM
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Robert Curtis:
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Anybody should be able to see the 4 inch height difference in this picture. Oscar's fist looks like it's twice the size of Manny's. Plus Oscar is known to be one of the most powerful punchers in a weight division 30 pounds heavier than Manny's weight class. Okay. It's a mismatch. But you can still count me among the crazy ones who predicts a big Manny victory here. Pacman is the only real thing in this unrealistic farce of a fight.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 10:48:33 AM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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Its 2 days before the fight and all I'm going to say now about this fight is remember 3 fights. Oscar vs Julio C. Chavez, Oscar vs Arturo Gatti and Marco A. Barrera vs Johnny Tapia. The bigger man won easily and Oscar sliced and diced Chavez, I can see the same thing happening to Manny. Also Oscar fought 2 Southpaws, Whitaker & Camacho. Which he beat, I question the Whitaker decision but he beat Camacho with ease. The difference between Whitaker and Camacho was the fact that they were not easy to hit. Manny is very easy to hit. All Oscar has to do is be aggressive and put constant pressure on Manny and touch him everywhere, even on the arms and he will eventually fold. Why do you think Manny can do something that neither Trinidad, Mosley, Sturm, Quartey, Whitaker, Chavez, Gatti and Mayweather, Jr. etc couldn't do and that is KO Oscar..Get Real!! Everyone of these guys hits much harder then Manny...MANNY WILL BE STOPPED!! Freddie Roach has FOOLED & TRICKED all of you guys..LOL
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 11:12:59 AM
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andy from newcastle:
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Entertaining Big Daddy. Sadly SOHK, I have to agree with you. But for the sake of the little man everywhere (including me at 5'5", 135lb), I'll still be shouting for Manny while it lasts. Oscar De La Hoya should be ashamed of himself. Toonoy
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 12:01:04 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG having a lot to say representing my peeps:
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First, since Television the tallest candiate for the U.S. Presidency won 76 percent of the time. Since the Queensberry Rules of boxing, the shortest opponent for a major shot won 68 percent of the time. Since the alphabet-soup sanctioning organizations of the hurt business, 72 perecent of the time the shortest -- a "midget" -- won. Oscar is in double trouble! And he is sure to fall in seven rounds or less. Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 12:36:59 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG having a lot to say representing my peeps:
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Lahat ang mag Pinoy ko'y, sigagawin kayo pinakamalakas para Kay Manny. Sino ay mas magaling bosingero sa mundo? Syempre Manny "PacMan" Paiquiao! Anong oras na! Alas PacMan! Itong mga kanos hindi malalaman ang power ng Pinoy. Si Manny ay magkahulog ang Golden Oldie sa round pito, talaga. Makalimutan mga tao tungko malusog ang Filipino. (I'm shouting at my peeps about how Manny is going to do the do on DLH and shock America and the world. The all world will be beaming in. This will not be a PPV failure.) Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 12:49:10 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG seeing a great war:
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Oscar, the LGOAT -- Latin Greatest Of All Time -- will go down in easy fashion. "He juz' ain't gut it no mor,'" in the words of oldtimers' boxing jargon. Manny, the AGOAT -- Asian Greatest Of All Time -- will open up those sparring shinners under Oscar's eys, and have him smooching the canvas. His loose skin from losing all that weight has no collegen -- needed natural fat cushion between the skin and bones. Manny is going to break that skins and a lot of those bones. "The Dream Match" for Golden Oldie will turn into a nightmare. Manny by stoppage in round seven or less. Don't be surprised if a very frighten Oscar -- in boxing slanguage -- "take a dive" on the stool between rounds. Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 01:01:09 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG seeing a great war:
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NEWFLASH!!! Oscar is bigger! He'll be more of a target for the Pac's pop pop, Golden Boy smash smash, bolo bolo, chop chop, touch and rip, and whoopa whop. On him, all these types of shots, Manny will drop. "The bigger they are, the harder they fall." Oscar has gotten so slow, it looks like in mid air his punches stall. Nation Pac, Posse Pac and Team Pac care nothing about Oscar being bigger. He can no longer pull the trigger. As a fighter, he's a lame duck, but he brings the big bucks. His latest trainer, "Nacho (Chips)" Beristain acts like a hallucinating alley cat, and the consultant -- the greatest guru of legal mayhem -- Angie Dundee's strategy will be easy to swat. With top dawg P4P TNT -- Top Notch Trainer -- Freddie Roach's plan, Kayo victory in round seven or less will go to PacMan!Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 01:13:22 PM
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EarL:
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At 147 pounds, Manny Pacquiao he will be an average welterweight. So in one corner we have Oscar, a past-his-prime fighter whose best win in the last decade was against Ricardo Mayorga. And in the other corner Pac Man, a bloated welterweight who's twice been knocked out by guys 120 pounds. This is the biggest fight in boxing?? Paul Williams is probably laughing and saying, "I'll fight both of these guys on the same night and for free!" I will NOT pay for this fight, which discredits boxing. Speaking of Paul Williams, he has a longer reach than Wladimir Klitschko and is more than 6 feet tall. Perhaps he and Wladimir should fight? All Paul would have to do is pack on 80 pounds! Shouldn't affect him. Oscar versus Manny is a real low point for boxing.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 01:30:28 PM
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Shep:
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I would pay $55 to NEVER hear Pac Man or De La Hoya sing another love ballad ever again. These two are horrible singers. It's embarrassing to listen to. De La Hoya KO 3. Too big. It won't last long and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends in the 1st round. This fight is a junior middleweight against a featherweight. As soon as Pac Man gets touched, he'll reel.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 01:44:43 PM
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Oscar will win by unanimous decision and reclaim the #1 P4P rating! ODLH P4P NUMERO UNO!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 01:47:13 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG -- 5'7, 148 lbs -- rocking the universe for the "midget(s)":
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When Oscar enters that sweet science squared jungle of blood, legal mayhem, pain and tears, and look into Manny's eyes, he will see who he's fighting -- 80 million "little" aboriginal, brown, Mestizo and yellow Pinoys and Pinays on an Asian archipelago of almost 8,000 islands. And not only that, in Oscar's mind and mind's eye, he'll hear and see the chanting, cheering and energy for Manny of another 30 million who are living abroad in or have emigrated in large numbers to 44 countries. And all this talking about Manny being "too small," somebody ought to ask an army field marshall or a special forces general what one small ( Asian brown) ant can do to a whole giant army? Manny is going to do - among many things -- the humble ant on big ole (army) Oscar, and destroy him in sections. It's lefty time! It's Asian Time! "It's time for change!" It's PacMan Time! "Y'all musta fo'got." Y'all bettah ask som'bodee.' Perhap U.S. Prez--Elect Obama. Manny is going to O-bomb-a Oscar. Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 02:08:11 PM
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pete steward:
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School of HardKnocks you have very legit points regarding Oscar Vs smaller fighters and his biggest name opponents and the Tapia Vs Barrera. The problem with your point is AGE! Tapia was WAY past his prime Vs Barrera if he was in his prime like when he schooled Romero in 97 Marco would've had a fit trying to nail him with clean shot never mind the incoming. Those smaller fighters Chavez Camacho etc were all shot fighters & old men. Now Oscars the old shot fighter. He's no longer the chiseled powerpunching force he was you can see it in his physique NO MUSCLE just skin & bones look how BRUISED & BATTTERED his pretty face was after the Forbes fight DID YOU EVER see the Golden Boys face look like that after a fight? And from the Feather Fisted Forbes From his SKIN to his CHIN Oscars is weak old and ready to go down he'll run of gas by rd6 and will be manny and he'll come on hard and fast for rest of the fight until it's over KO or decision the mans a tireless little wrecking machine. A Filipino Frazier manny wins BY KO
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 02:11:04 PM
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Anony:
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::::: I TRULY WISH TO READ WHAT EXCUSE RADAM WILL HAVE AFTER THE FIGHT ::::
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 02:52:51 PM
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Attica - never again a resident:
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Oscar by KO early. According to reports, Manny has been knocked out TWICE by no-name guys that were barely 100 pounds! This was a few years back. They won't talk about that in the promo. Oscar by 2nd round stoppage.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 03:46:18 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Reminds me of the old Richard Pryor line about why Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't knock down Jake LaMotta: "Well of course he couldn't knock him down. Not with 50 thousand white people holding him up!" Well it looks like a 50 million Filipinos will be holding Manny up and pushing him to victory. I'm going to pretend I'm one of them. Just keep me away from the coconut tree wine.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 03:48:56 PM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG --casino time on the strip -- easy living:
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Very funny, Bobby C. You are such a piece of comical witty work. Maybe we will drunken you with the sugar cane wine. Now that is some good, healthy stuff. And Anony, you are a legendary textbook case of OCD. For the benefit of your________, you should really stay on those meds. But it is all good. My posse and peeps get a thrill seeing you so miserable with hate and make believe, while we are enjoying the good life. This is the real Radam G commenting, not one of my clones or somebody in my posse using my e-mail and side-posted name. Holla!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 04:39:11 PM
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Lost:
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Crap! I think accidentally stumbled upon a Not So " Humble" Radam Blog
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 05:36:08 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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LOL...Manny has been KO'd twice against BUMS!! Let me ask you guys something, do you think Manny could beat these guys at 147? Margarito, Mosley, Williams & Cotto. You think they are too big for Manny yet Oscar has fought at 154 and160. Why is it and you guys have never answered my question that Oscar can fight Sturm, Trinidad, Quartey, Campos, Vargas(on Steroids), Mosley(on steroids) and he took there punch but he can't take Manny's punch...LOL You guys are killin me. I can look in Oscars eyes and see the confidence because it's great feelin when you know you are fighting someone who you know can't take your punch and you know you can take there's....lol
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 06:03:07 PM
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donputo69 chilling with lou collazo in the barbershop:
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lmfao...good one big daddy...you should be a ring announcer...anyway...I think this fight is not going to dissapoint...it will be good until the 10th round...that's when dlh will tko pacquiao...after the fight dlh will callout calderon...as for pacquiao? his future is still bright...he will move up to super middleweight and challenge jermain taylor....holla back!!!!
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 06:45:16 PM
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Anony:
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::::::: RADAM G MONDAY'S EXCUSE ::::: "Well, the thing is THAT ONLY BOXING INSIDERS LIKE ME AND ONLY ME AND THEM KNOWS that Manny was bit in the eye by a mosquito hours before the fight and he was blinded by it so that's why he lost to DLH... but I'm sure Manny can win a rematch easily...." hehehehe
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 07:47:19 PM
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Chris:
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As much as I respect De La Hoya, he is full of excuses for his most notable and preventable losses, namely against Trinidad and Mayweather. Here's to hoping that Manny dismantles him by brutal KO or TKO so we can see some relevant fights in the future. I'm talking about Pac-Man - Mayweather, Pac-Man - Hatton, etc.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 08:24:27 PM
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SICMENO:
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A superstar whose popularity transcends boxing, Oscar De La Hoya is considered to be one of the best fighters in the world at any weight - "Pound-for-Pound." He is also the biggest non-heavyweight attraction and moneymaker at the gate, defeating 18 current or former world champions, one twice, in the process. I guess you haters are right and the the rest of the world is wrong. Give the man some credit!!! Till sunday...im out
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 08:49:10 PM
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Abraham UIT:
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Ha ! Ha !. Didn't Sugar Ray Leonard do the same thing late in his career picking on Terry Norris. Oscar De La Hoya is picking on Manny Pacman. I can't wait till saturday night when Pacman beats the crap out of De La Hoya. Put me down on Pacman. My prediction record since posting here is undefeated. Oh boy can't wait. It's butcher time for the Pacman.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 09:38:56 PM
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Real Talk staying sucka free:
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I see Radam G is amped up 4 this one . You getting a lil better with your poems . Me.... it's same ____ different toilet . Or SSDT , I'm taking Pacman SD . We can disect and analize this a lot of ways . Oscar's pumped cause he feels he has the advantage , but he's a puss who wakes up in silk boxers and got his lady there will he's training ?!? Red flag !!! Just because you make the weight don't mean you'll make the grade or pass the test . If I was Manny I'd wade 'em in deep waters...then lock horns . He aint no Floyd but he might have enough defense to make it to 7 . My final verdict goes down after the weigh in . Then I'll know for sure . Real Talk
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 10:21:04 PM
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Louie:
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Pac-Man ain't never been KNOCKED OUT! Whatchya talking about Attica resident??? Mr. Packyaio is gonna win by a big margin you mark my words...he will remain the top pounf for pound fighter in the world!!!!! PacMan KO'd -- you are nuts ATTICA...when was Manny KO'd, in your dreams?????
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 10:52:13 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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Manny will have problems with the height, reach, speed and POWER of Oscar. Oscar didn't fade in the Vargas fight where he KO'd Vargas, he didn't fade in the Quartey fight where he almost stopped Quartey in the last round. Where is seems as though he faded was that at all. Against Trinidad he didn't fade he didn't want to get hit by the big punching Trinidad and he thought he could steal the rounds. Manny is not slick! He will get hit. If the fight reaches the later round you guys realize the punishment Manny will have taken. If Marquez and Morales can hurt him Oscar surely will. Do you guys really believe Manny can take the punishment? WOW!!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 12:20:04 AM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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One more thing....Did you guys hear on 24/7 when Freddie Roach said this is the biggest fight of HIS career? That sums it up for me. This is about Freddie not Manny. Freddie wanted the fight more then Manny wanted it.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 12:24:36 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG roaming the casinos on the famous Vegas Strip:
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Somebody forgot to tell the gamblers in Vegas that the U.S. is in a recession. I guess a lot of broke persons are trying their luck. They are not thinking about what my girl Fergie of "The Black-eye Peas" says,"If you ain't no money, take yo' broke a$$ home." These big rollers and ballers are doing it BIG. They ain't shy, neither am I. So high is going my milk and honey. Because on Manny, I'm betting my money. Skin and bones Oscar is going to fall like a bird shot out of the sky. Dude is taking a beat down for his piece of this money pie. It's not too late to bet in this year of the upset.On Manny put yo' money down, and on the haters you'll be able to clown. Holla!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 12:48:24 AM
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MichaelPaine:
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I truly believe that Pacquiao can win a decision in this one, UNLESS he gets hit flush with a left hook from Oscar. The Golden Boy's short left hook put Ricardo Mayorga on his butt, and will surely send Pacquiao down for the count if it lands cleanly.
Dream scenario: Pacquiao SD12, with PBF coming out of retirement to fight him in the summer.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 02:47:24 AM
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floyd jones d greatest:
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Louie I think you have watched boxing just this year or last year.lol.pacman was kod by a thai fighter in his career.he even got hurt by an unknown fighter once,hurt by jmm in the 2nd fight and was hurt by a lesser mexican oppsition once(larios).let me see what happens if odlh hits him.lol.please stop posting here if you have little knowldge about boxing.lol
Friday Dec 5, 2008 03:56:20 AM
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Dot Sey:
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Man! That guy Anony is pathetic. He really has an issue with Radam and a lot of other people. This guy has some type of mental illness. I know don't what it could be. Any way Oscar has only fought five times in six years and had a 3-2 record. He is a part time boxer and a part time loser. I believe that the Asian Assassin will knock him out in three rounds.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 02:07:05 PM
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Smiley C:
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Didn't somebody say back in the day that Sonny Liston should be a shame of himself for giving Cassius Clay a shot. Didn't somebody say that George Foreman should be a shame for getting ready to kill Muhammad Ali. Didn't somebody tell Muhammad Ali the same thing when he gave Leon Spinks a shot. Didn' somebody say that it was a shame that Micheal Moorer was going to beat up ole, fat George Foreman. Ugh! Shame is always present, and I'm glad that the true-fighting spirits don't listen to that $hit. It would be a terrible world without upsets and surprises. Fo' sure!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 03:22:02 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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Smiley, correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't Cassius Clay a heavyweight as well? Wasn't Muhammad Ali a heavyweight as well? Wasn't Leon Spinks a Cruiserweight/Heavyweight? Michael Moorer proved to everyone that he couldn't take a Heavyweight punch. Come on you are making my case for me. Upsets and suprises are Great like when Holyfield beat the mess out of Tyson but it's not going to happen when a man that is not that good(Pacquiao) comes up to fight a man much bigger and better then him. If Oscar losses this fight he should close down the GB office..lol
Friday Dec 5, 2008 05:59:32 PM
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Jim Allcorn:
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Oscar at '45?!! Wow.
I don't like the looks or the sounds of that at this stage of his career.
He may say that he feels fabulous at this reduced weight & he may even believe it. But, then so did Chris Byrd early this year when after campaining his entire career ( other than a small handful of his first pro fights ) as a heavyweight, he dropped down to 175 lbs & got himself brutalized by an ordinary opponent with a mediocre KO ratio.
And, as someone else previously stated here, let's also remember Ray Leonard's beat down at the hands of Terry Norris after he dropped down to '54 after fighting at '60 - '68 for a few years. There are a host of other examples to choose from as well. With RJJ cutting back down to '75 after the Ruiz fight being another one.
IMO it's almost always very detrimental to a fighter who's been fighting at a heavier weight to cut back down to a smaller one at an advanced age. Even if that higher weight class was an "artificial" one for them & they had to bulk up in order to fight there. Once they've gone up in class & especially if they've been at the heavier weight(s) for a while like Delahoya has , it just takes too much out of an older fighter.
And I've got a feeling that this could prove to be VERY beneficial to Pac Man's chances tomorrow night.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 07:59:19 PM
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Suits, Stop Squabbling, And Posturing, AND MAKE FIGHTS!
"Floyd may very well be the most talented boxer but that he does not understand that what the fans, who ultimately pay the bills, watch fights for is entertainment. At the moment, he not only ignores that reality but frankly doesn't seem to care. Neither about our wishes and/or our passion for to see great fights. Thus, there is little Go ... and even less Show. I am vaguely interested in the Business of Boxing. Frankly, it is a mess on a good day and worse on it's worst. I prefer reading the Business pages where brilliant men and women develop skills and strategies to create incredible value and wealth (for themselves and others) in ways far more effectively and meaningfully than those who Rule ...some might say Ruin...this beautiful Sport." --FE'ROZ, speaking for a majority of fight fans
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