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Silva-Jones: First Boxing/MMA Superfight?
By Jose Corpas
While getting his hands wrapped for his match against James Irvin, Anderson Silva had boxing on his mind.
“Do you think I could beat Roy Jones Jr.?” he asked cutman Jacob “Stitch” Duran.
“I told him he should go for it,” said Stitch, passing the wraps between each of Silva’s fingers. “In fact, I think Silva has a chance to knock him out.”
Stitch is not the only one who likes Silva’s chances should such a fight ever come off. Many boxing insiders like his chances should Silva try his hand at the sweet science. “If anyone can do it, it’s Silva,” says former boxing and kick boxing champion James Warring.
Whether or not the match is made is a different story. Dana White has repeatedly stated that he will not allow the fight to happen. Silva’s manager, Ed Soares, has stated that Silva is committed to his UFC contract and will not retire early but some close to the MMA star believe he indeed will retire from MMA and that it will come sooner than expected, that it will happen sometime in 2009, which will free up a still prime Silva for a challenge he has not stopped thinking about---a boxing match against Roy Jones Jr.
While warming up for the Irvin match, his mind drifted again to Roy Jones. “He asked all of us in the room how he should fight him,” continued Duran. “He asked Don House, the other UFC cut man, to train him if the fight comes off.”
If Silva does retire from MMA, the match will be much easier to make. With Jones having lost the Calzaghe match earlier this month, a Silva bout might be his most lucrative option. Further adding to the intrigue is the fact that some boxing insiders are not ruling out Silva’s chances.
He has dominated MMA and has proven himself to be an elite fighter, a once in a lifetime talent. He has had two professional boxing matches and is considered a world class Muay Thai specialist. What he would be attempting is not unprecedented. Several Muay Thai champions have won boxing championships. Saensak Muangsurin did so in 1975 in only his third boxing match. More recently, Veeraphol Sahaprom made the switch over to boxing and became world champ in his fourth bout. Kick boxing champions Troy Dorsey and James Warring also became boxing champions. Many speculate that the timing is right for Silva. Jones is no longer the unbeatable force that he once was. James “Buddy” McGirt has already shown the world how to beat Jones in a boxing match. A former champion himself, McGirt masterminded the right plan when he trained Antonio Tarver, who has twice beaten Jones.
“The key with Jones is you have to be on him,” McGirt says. “You have to punch when he punches. Don’t let him get off or else you’re in trouble.” McGirt has never seen Silva fight so he can’t comment specifically on his chances, although he doubts that someone with only two fights could win. “I don’t think it’ll happen. He’s only had two fights. I don’t think any commission would allow it. Boxing will be a laughingstock.”
But it’s happened before. Olympic champion Pete Rademacher challenged Floyd Patterson in 1957 for the heavyweight championship of the world in his pro debut. He came within seconds of scoring an historic upset, dropping the champ in round two before losing in six. In 1975, yet another boxer was allowed to challenge for a world title in his first fight. Rafael Lovera challenged champion Luis Estaba for the junior bantamweight title. While both Rademacher and Lovera lost their fights, Silva has a pair of advantages over Jones that might help him win. He’s bigger and younger than Jones, who is near the end of his great career.
Trainer Emanuel Steward admitted knowing very little about Silva but did mention that the way to beat Jones is with counterpunches. With the physical advantages that he holds over Jones, Silva may be well suited to taking a counter puncher’s approach. At 6’2, he’s four inches taller than Jones and also could benefit from his four inch reach advantage.
Steward’s assistant, Joey Gamache volunteered more. “Jones was once a great boxer and puncher but he’s a different fighter today. He gets hit more. If he is pushed with a non-stop attack, he can not sustain that pace. Of course, if Jones hits anyone right, he can knock them out but, he can be outhustled.” Outworking Jones may be a viable option for Silva, who is in excellent condition. Jones has developed a tendency recently to fight in spurts. If Silva can outwork Jones when Jones is coasting and follow McGirt’s advice to punch with him, he could put himself in position to win a decision.
James Warring cautions that throwing punches for 12 rounds is harder than it looks. “But Silva is ahead of his time. He is the best fighter in the world today, period!” In addition to his championships in kick boxing and boxing, Warring also competed in MMA. He was a finalist at the 1995 World Combat Championships-losing to Renzo Gracie. “The only thing that could beat him is himself in MMA. But boxing is different. MMA is easier than boxing because you have more choices. If your strikes aren’t working, you can kick. If your kicks aren’t working, you can take it to the ground and grapple. But in boxing you only have one weapon. Boxers punch so hard and the punches come so fast that an inexperienced guy won’t know what to do.” Warring continued. “But Silva is a special fighter. I know he has a Muay Thai and boxing background, but I’m not sure what the quality of opposition he faced was. My money would be on Jones but maybe he can knock out Jones, who knows. But I don’t expect Jones to go down from punches as easily as some of his MMA opponents have.”
Howard Davis Jr., boxing instructor for American Top Team and former Olympic gold medalist, agrees that Silva will be facing something he has never seen. “First of all, I don’t think it’ll happen. Remember, Jones was never a huge pay per view draw. The fight they should be talking up is GSP against De La Hoya. I’ve seen GSP in the ring and he can move better than many boxers.” On Silva’s chances he says, “I don’t think his hand work is good enough even against a faded Jones.”
Former boxing champion Wayne McCullough thinks that Silva’s hand work would be less effective with boxing gloves. “I think both should wear MMA gloves. Using smaller gloves, I think Silva has a good chance. He has natural talent and with solid boxing training he probably could do it.”
Ideally, Silva should have a series of fights to develop his boxing skills and acquire the necessary seasoning to compete against top tier boxers over the course of a 12 round fight. His lack of experience is a huge disadvantage, although you can argue that Silva is a bigger threat than some of the boxers who challenged Jones for the title were, such as Richard Frazier.
Troy Dorsey, who’s won world championships in boxing, kick boxing and karate, says, “Silva is gonna have to put a lot of pressure on him to win. He’s going to have to impose his will on him.” Dorsey, who’s an avid follower of MMA, points out that many good fighters have come up short when venturing into other fighting sports. “Silva is known for his Muay Thai but his jiu-jitsu can beat you too. I don’t know how he will do strictly boxing but lately, he’s been dropping guys with punches.” Could it be that Silva has been quietly developing his boxing skills behind the scenes?
“It’s not easy,” continued Dorsey. “I was blessed to be able to do it. I don’t think it’s a smart fight for Silva unless it’s for a lot of money. I know his confidence is pushing him but it’s a different sport. It takes A LOT of training.”
Other fighters have risen to the occasion. Silva is a special fighter and in many ways better than some of the fighters that successfully crossed over to boxing. Silva is not calling out boxing’s best either. You could argue that calling out the 2008 version of Jones is like boxer Wladimir Klitschko challenging the present day Ken Shamrock. Nonetheless, it’s still a monumental task, but Silva is a special fighter who just may be up to it. Stitch Duran said, “Worst case scenario, he loses by decision. He won’t embarrass himself.”
A loss won’t hurt his reputation. A win will make him an icon perhaps on the same level as Pele. Warring says it’s worth the risk if Silva can box. “I hope for him that he does win. I did it and Dorsey did it. It’s an amazing feeling.”
For now, Silva can only dream about what it feels like.
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ngse:
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jones ko silva in 4 - 5 rounds, how can he move from jones assault?- remember jones can hit with every punch in the book after all he is roy jones!!
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Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 06:44:36 AM
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Chris:
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Jones should have retired after his win over Trinidad. I respect his heart in going twelve rounds with Super Joe but that fight proved more than anything that it's time he hangs up the gloves for good.
Remember what Jones said at the beginning of the first 24/7? Something along the lines of how if he loses, who cares? But if Calzaghe loses, then the world takes notice? The same is true with a potential Silva bout with one exception: Silva has not earned such an opportunity against a legend like Jones.
Does Roy Jr. need the money that bad? I certainly hope not. I wish him the best of health and I hope he never entertains a Silva bout.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 10:09:27 AM
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Allen:
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Silva should challenge Calzaghe, not Jones. Wouldn't that make more sense? Even if the fight came off and he beat Roy, what would it prove? The guy is COMPLETELY shot. There are HUNDREDS of guys that would beat Roy between 168 and 175. HUNDREDS. If Silva was for real, he'd call out Joe C.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 10:26:01 AM
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rudy:
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why
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:27:19 AM
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Big Daddy:
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Why doesn't Mr. MMA #1 Pound 4 Pound grow a pair? .. and challenge someone in his Prime!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:28:33 AM
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rbk:
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Silva vs. Jones holds little intrigue. Jones was finished long ago - makes no sense at all if Silva wants a legitimate challenge instead of a notch.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:49:33 AM
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Justin:
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Why are we talking about this it will never happen? Wasn't Kermit Cintron gonna go MMA???
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:58:07 AM
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andy from newcastle:
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Talented as he undoubtedly is, Silva is begining to believe he is the new Bruce Lee, and in his last outing just looked like a posey get. Personally, I think Roy would win, because of pure boxing ability, against a non boxing fighter, shot or not. However I agree, if Silva want a big challenge, and not just a big fat check, he should be challenging someone at the top of their game. My choice, Calzaghe, or old man B-Hop, who would take Silva to school for 8 rounds or so, and then KO his Brazillian backside back to the MMA. Toonoy
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:58:55 AM
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Radam G aka Humble PRG:
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Hey Jose! This Jones-Silva fiasco probably won't ever happen. But if it does, Jones will beat the silver out of Silva. Boxing is dangerous. Those MMA/UFC jerks are well protected. This is what make them delusional to believe that they can take out even a D-class boxer. A BIG N-O! Yea, Jose, come on, MAN! Lovera and Radmacher had elite amateur careers. Matter of fact, Rademacher was a boxing gold medal winner -- a champion as you wrote. And good amateur boxers can beat 80 percent of the professional one. Just ask any TNT -- top notch trainer. Davey Moore -- that last name may be wrong -- and Leon Spinks won world title belts with less than 10 bouts. An Asian -- I cannot think of his name right now -- won a world belt with just two bouts. So winning with a minimun amount of bouts can be done. But it takes a boxer well seasoned from the amateurs, not a MMA/UFC hyped-up________. Holla!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 01:13:42 PM
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LEO:
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Silva would handle Jones right now but who wouldn't? 10 years ago he wouldn't have but the current version of Jones would probably lose to Oscar!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 03:16:31 PM
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paulbo:
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This is an intriguing fight I'd pay to see: a top MMA guy who isn't well schooled in the sweet science vs. a guy well schooled in the sweet science but past his prime. No one will look at this fight and think it's anything more than one guy vs. another guy. One day, I look forward to a true MMA vs. BOXING matchup, one that pits the very best MMA guy vs. the very best boxing guy. The MMA guy would fight in his special style and the boxer would fight in his special style. It would settle the question who would win. My guess: The MMA guy (barring a lucky punch) will ALWAYS beat the boxer.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 03:37:42 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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There is no way in the WORLD that I would ever pay to see something so disgusting as watching a MMA fighter who doesn't even know how to spell the work JAB fight a pro boxer in boxing. GET REAL!! You can't even get the best MMA guy against just an average boxer like David Diaz and win a boxing match. This is a wasted article. Leave boxing alone and continue doing the MMA stuff for those who like the MMA. They are 2 separate sports so let boxers box and MMA guys do what they do. Good Grief!!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 03:45:14 PM
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Javier:
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Man is this a joke? even Pacboy can beat roy Jones.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 03:59:56 PM
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MikeO:
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Hey "Schoolofhardknocks" what I find the funniest, is that in your attempt to say an MMA fighter cant even spell the WORD JAB you misspelled "work" ......Nice job!!! Oh and have you ever watched MMA? I can think of any fight where they didn't throw "JAB"s. LMAO
The reality of the MMA vs. Boxer is this:
MANY MMA fighters come from Boxing backgrounds. In fact I can name more than 5 in the UFC who have had professional and amatuer titles in boxing. However ZERO boxers would stand a chance inside an MMA ring/cage in an MMA fight.
So while there are DEFINATELY MMA fighters who can win in boxing matches, there are ZERO boxers who would last more than one round in a MMA fight.
It's just the way it is.
You need to just suck it up and realize that MMA is the ultimate combat sport, and Boxing will continue to fade into the sunset...
M
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 04:33:31 PM
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drone:
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Ridiculous, Silva would look like an amateur, Roy would destroy him within 6 rounds. Silva is not a boxer, and never will be.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 04:51:39 PM
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steadadelica:
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How about my dad versus your dad?
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 05:05:47 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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MikeO...My bad by the time I realized it I saw that I had hit the wrong key..But thats cool. Thank you for correcting me. I have never said a boxer can fight MMA..But you clowns always say things that most MMA fighters come from boxing backgrounds. U are insane..Saying you have tried to learn to box is not coming from a boxing background. MMA fighters are wannabe boxers. But you are quitters looking for a way out because you might use to get your clock cleaned if you ever did go to a boxing gym. I have never, I'm going to repeat myself. I have never ever in life seen 1 MMA figter look like they know how to throw 1 punch. I don't do MMA so I would never do some cage stuff. You guys try to make yourself look tough by fighting in a cage..but you tapout of fights. You are trying to make it like you guys are vicious animals but remember this. You put 2 lions in a cage and let them fight, Lions will fight to the death. They wouldn't tapout. There is no tapping out in boxing. I'm sure you do MMA right. Go to a bar and get drunk and you will see MMA fights all day and night
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 06:55:05 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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MikeO..Let me let you in on something. You say you can name me 5 UFC fighters that had professional and amateur titles in boxing. Well do that for me. I hope they are not from Nebraska, Montana, Wyoming or Utah because real fighters don't come from there. That's all MMA territory. Get my drift. None of them guys won any titles in no major city are you crazy, Get off that Meth man
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 07:17:03 PM
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Fistic Fury:
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There is one reason why MMA fighters always call out boxers and it's for exposure, for themselves and for their sport. They know that the top MMA guys have nothing on the top boxers fame and money wise and the best way to remedy that is to associate their name to a boxing superstars name. If any fight like this was ever made it would obviously come down to who were competing and in which sport were they were competing...
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 07:27:03 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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I agree Fistic Fury 100%. I think it's just jealousy from the MMA type of person. You don't hear boxers calling out MMA fighters because boxers do there thing. Once again we don't put a 1-0 guy in the ring with a guy who is 36-0..lol Sounds really ridiculous. I'm no hater of MMA because I don't want to know anything about it. I still ask the question. Why do they post MMA stuff on boxing websites. What happen to Elite XC? lol spending so much money to make it seem as though they have talent and now they are bankrupt. This is insane. I was in a small town in Texas and I went into a fitness center and every guy in there said they were MMA fighters...lol Isn't that a joke. That's how easy it is to become one. Boxing is a family. We don't accept CLOWNS!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 07:54:22 PM
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guido:
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MikeO. dude did you know? theres a boxer named Jeremy Williams who fights in boxing and mma( dont know why?) but he's 5-0 in mma. the wanna be boxer butterbean is 11-7 in mma, he k.o.ed that the dude James Thompson who really beat kimbo slice! that dude was the king of the 4 rounder bum's in boxing. oh yea one more thing sonny look up anderson de silva in boxrec. thats anderson spider silva's boxing recored (1-1)LOL!! he got k.o. by a nobody in boxing LOL!!!!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 09:25:32 PM
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Biloxi:
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I wish Roy would run off these new sychophants living off of him. The Don King attorney, the bald -headed moron. To appear aggressive, they are finding ways for Roy to blow his money and brain cells. They are encouraging him and exploiting him while he is weak and vulnerable.Put your money in the bank Roy and stay away from Shawn Kemp.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 10:19:52 PM
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paul stevens:
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Jones was for many years the best product of boxing. No one was capable of beating him. Heck it was 1988 when he won a silver at the olympics. 20 years ago!! But now the man is 39 years old. The last I checked anyway. Just what would this mma fighter hope to accomplish by beating jones? Jones isn't the same guy anymore. Yes he was a awesome fighter and will without a doubt be inducted in the boxing hall of fame. But lastly I really don't think this mma fighter can beat jones just by the experience he has in boxing. mma and boxing are 2 totally different things.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 10:43:28 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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GUIDO..LOL...Thanks for exposing this fraud because I would have never known his real name...lol MIKE-O....Why didn't you tell us that he got KO'd by a BUM!! lol I went and check and now the guy that KO'd DeSilva is still fighting and he has a great record of 29wins and 21losses....lol You are killin me MikeO..Now tell us who these top MMA fighters are that has won boxing titles in the Pros and Amateurs..lol See MikeO we never say that boxing is the ultimate combat sport because it speaks for itself. I have never heard anyone training to go to WAR to end up tapping out in boxing...lol Bottom line MMA fighters are FRAUDS!!
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:17:15 PM
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JR:
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I HAVE A QUESTION HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS EVER TRAIN MMA OR DONE JIU JITSU OR SHOOTFIGHTING OR FREESTILE? IT NOT EASY I KNOW BOXING IS NOT EASY. IF YOU DONT KNOW DONT TALK SHIIIII. I LOVE BOXING AND MMA.IF YOU CAN HIT SOMEONE I LOVE IT THAT IS A TRUE FAN I THINK SO.
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 11:38:56 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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JR...I don't understand what you are asking? We are not saying it's easy. I don't do MMA, Sanshou, Jiu Jitsu, Kickboxing, none of that stuff. But Jiu Jitsu is not compared to boxing. The closest thing to boxing is kickboxing. MMA is much closer to wrestling then boxing. You don't see wrestlers trying to say they can beat a boxer. They just do there thing. Why don't they just post MMA, Jiu Jitsu, SanShou, Kung Fu and whatever else on a boxing website. I'm not understanding what you are getting at. If we don't know what?
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 01:04:48 AM
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Kidd:
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Why is this MMA nonsense even on here? Silva should call out Calzaghe,Dawson or somebody relevant. RJJ is old and done.Maybe Cintron should call out Tank Abbott. MMA is just looking for attention. MMA is for people with A.D.D. It doesn't offer ebb,flow,drama,heart and it is not asthleticly pleasing. Please post this on your MMA site I don't wanna read this here at TSS
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 01:55:18 AM
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JR:
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ABOUT SILVA AND JONES IF IT HAPPENS IT HAPPENS AND IF NOT NOT AND MMA FIGHTERS ARE NOT FRAUDS IS JUST A YOUNG SPORT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND MMA.BOXING STARTED 117 YEARS AGO PEOPLE DID NOT WANT IT AND DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT.MMA NEEDS MANY MORE YEARS TO GET SOME RESPECT MMA HAS BEEN AROUND SENS 1940'S WHEN HELIO GRACIE WHAS FIGHTING KUNGFU GUYS,BOXERS ,KARATE GUYS,JUDO GUYS AND WRESTLES. WE ARE A YOUNG SPORT.PEACE.........
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 02:13:38 AM
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Shane - SA:
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Actually, JR, MMA has been around, in varying incarnations, since as far back as the first olympics... which technically makes it many hundreds of years old..
Boxing and MMA are so far from each other in style and form that you cannot compare them, of course a boxer, in a boxing ring, would KO an MMA fighter.. Boxers train in punching only, thus their punches are beyond powerful when compared to that of your average MMA fighter.. MMA fighters train in a wide variety of martial arts and so, while they do master them, they're never only trained in one form... An MMA fighter who strictly boxed would get himself destroyed in the cage by a trained Jiu Jitsu fighter..
Oh... gGUIDO, Butterbean is only an MMA fighter in the loosest sense of the word, the only reason he's managed to make a career of it is by fighting in Japan where they LOVE freakshow fights.. it's a stain on MMA but it won't last forever...
As for tapping out being weak, consider the MMA brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert, Frank Mir... He's broken the arms of two fighters who didn't tap out in time... so even if you're going to try and tell us that MMA fighters aren't tough consider that simple fact.. dumbass..
As far not being "aesthetically pleasing" or being "closer to wrestling" my god mate!!
first off, some MMA fights may appedar to be similar to wrestling because of a fighter being taken down and then the ground battle during which each fighter attempts to get the upper hand or attempt a submission.. but remember that MMA also has a stand up game that, for a certain type of spectator, is far more entertaining than boxing as it has more dimensions... kicks etc mean that any type of attack can come from any angle.. it's beautiful, poetry in motion.. and the old type of "human cock-fighting" unskilled MMA fighter is slowly but surely being completely weeded out of the sport, making for an even more amazing and exciting sport showcasing far more quality matches!!
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 09:36:25 AM
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Ste Hawkins:
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I'm an ex pro boxer and have trained in Jiu Jitsu and K1. MMA is very different but awesome in its own right. The biggest problem with UFC/Cage Rage, etc is that Every big mouth and wannabe gangster is laying claim to MMA just so he can get kudos on the streets as a "cage fighter" and enhance fear and respect for doingj nowt. Go back to PRIDE and ditchthe cage gimmick and the sport will flourish for the right reasons.
MMA is a natural evolution of fighting. Put Calzaghe in an MMA 3x5 min fight and he'll proably be tapped out in one round unless he catches the MMA lad coming in.
BUT then, one month later put them in a boxing ring for 12x3min rounds. The MMA guy would be hit at will after 2nd round and in danger of being seriously hurt. You see, both are similar combatant sports but different in their own right. Enjoy them both for what they are. TCB
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 09:58:30 AM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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Kidd..Thank you! That's what I'm saying why is it even on here. JR I know you are a MMA person more then boxing, and it's okay because us real boxing fans don't really consider you a boxing person. I will let you in on something else. We had a meeting with the Nevada Athletic Commission and asked them why do you let those MMA guys wear the small gloves. His exact words were they cannot punch, if a professional boxer was to wear the same gloves someone would get KILLED! Now take that however you want it but it is what it is. That's good that you are a young sport but what we don't understand is why don't they post these MMA articles on the Home and Garden website or something and not boxing. Because we talk boxing. I have a boxing website and I will never ever put any MMA stuff on it. JR, if you look at a MMA fighter, the first thing you think of his wrestler. They don't even hold there hands like boxers. They do nothing like boxers. It's criminal that they would even try and compare it.. I will not waste my time on this subject anymore because Im talking about something that is not even important
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 10:02:51 AM
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barrys:
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how about silva vs paul williams i would pay to see that fight that would be good
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 01:48:25 PM
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DonnieJoe:
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I enjoy all combat sports that puts 1 man vs 1 man. Wrestling, Boxing, and MMA. I preffer boxing over them all, but did enjoy watching Cael Sanderson whip ass. Its all respectable, but everyone has their preference.
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 02:12:20 PM
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Javier to JR:
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Hey Jr., do you know about lucha libre ? did nt think so ,about La tijera? thats been around since 1910 and this is real and better than MMA i should nt be talking about it.
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 03:35:20 PM
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Jaxson:
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Silva looked great in his kick boxing matches.
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 06:28:21 PM
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Guido:
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heck i follow both sports pretty close, so when smack is talked i do some dropkicking son. the science is my first love( i was born in brockton ma then raised in pensacola fl. rocky marciano influence then a little bit of roy jones. now i live in the quadcities, which pat miletich has a mma school, so ive been around it all. and what is funny is pat miletich orders pay per veiw boxing events.
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 08:57:13 PM
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stryder:
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I would love to see him fight Calzaghe! This would give me the first opportunity to root for the guy!
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 09:10:23 PM
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Shane - SA:
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The problem here is that you cannot really compare the two sports... Comparing Boxing to MMA is like comparing Soccer to Rugby, they both have balls and a bunch of blokes running around a field, but the similarities end there..
MMA is becoming more and more popular than boxing simply because it is a more in-depth fighting sport... Yes, boxers punch harder, but that's all they do: Punch...
MMartists have a well-rounded skill set which makes for a more edge-of-your-seat match up... No MMA champion is immune to defeat, in his prime or not..
All that said and done, I'm not beating on boxing.. it's a great sport in it's own right, with a rich history and a pool of talent far deeper than MMA can currently compare to..
But don't rip on MMA just because you happen to prefer boxing.. There is little that boxing offers it's fans that MMA doesn't also provide..
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 01:08:03 AM
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Julio:
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Silva's style is more boxer than wrestler. I've seen his Muay Thai matches and he has good stand up skills. A boxing match against even a shot Jones is a huge task. To say he should grow a pair for challenging Jones is plain wrong.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 02:36:00 PM
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ddavis:
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Some of you guys are idiots. Boxing is a great sport and many MMA fans that I know are boxing fans. The difference is Boxing is 1 dimensional attacks and MMA is 3D. BTW EliteXC's president is a boxing promoter and thats why they went out of business
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 03:08:35 PM
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ddavis:
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Also the reason A. Silva has challenged RJJ is because he respects him. RJJ is A. Silva's favorite Boxer. Thats why he didnt challenge anybody else. There is no disrespect with that.
BTW, for you saying (SchoolOfHardKnocks) that MMA fans cannot be boxing fans is like saying that if you like chicken, you cant eat beef.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 03:13:31 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks:
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DDavis...No I didn't say that and I'm not saying that. I have nothing against MMA. Only thing I'm say is we don't go calling out MMA fighters but they tend to call us out. So when someone says something idiotic like that, to me that's them challenging us to our sport(boxing) and that means hands only. So with all of that said that MMA fighter goes to sleep against any boxer. If a boxer was stupid enough to challenge a MMA fighter, that's totally insane. When a boxer doesn't know anything about a ground game.
Thursday Dec 4, 2008 07:31:17 PM
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SchoolOfHardKnocks... Boxers HAVEcalled out MMA fighters before.. Floyd Mayweather challenged Chuck Liddell building up to his match against Oscar De La Hoya (or however you spell it).. funny thing is, when Chuck reciprocated and offered that they have two matches, one in the boxing ring and one in the UFC cage, Mayweather very quickly shut up.. A. Silva at least isn't issuing the challenge in a disrespectful manner which is exactly what Mayweather did...
Friday Dec 5, 2008 01:03:00 AM
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R. J.:
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First of all. Roy knows all about this ... there are " similar " management connections between the two. If you dig you will find it. Second - it has been stated that Silva only wants to fight Roy Jones Jr. because he is " a hero of his ". Third...fighters....ALL " fighters " are fighting for LEGACY and to show THEMSELVES what they have left or have at all in they all important organ - HEART...Don't come back with a money answer...yes they fight for the money - but they do it for LEGACY and HEART.
Friday Dec 5, 2008 02:05:49 AM
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Anonymoususer..You are wrong, Floyd called out Liddell but it wasn't to fight him, he said if Liddell fought at 207 or heavyweight he would get heavyweight not a great heavyweight, just a good heavyweight and let them fight. Here is his exact words...
"This fight is good for fighting. It’s not like the sport is going anywhere. Like I said before man, to be honest, you know, you’re going to see but a fad (UFC.) Anybody, like I said before, anybody could put a little tattoo on their head, put a little tattoo on the arm, plus the piercing and go out there and street fight. These fighters ” if they feel Chuck Ladell (ph) is so good, if Chuck Ladell (ph) weighed 207 pounds, I don’t know how much Chuck Ladell (ph) weighs, like I said before, if Chuck Ladell (ph), I think he weighs like 220 or something We should take Chuck Ladell (ph) and this is me, and we ain’t got to take the best heavyweight, we just need to take a good heavyweight and let Chuck Ladell (ph) fight a good heavyweight under Mayweather Promotions. And if Chuck Ladell (ph) beats him, I’ll give him $1 million out of my own pocket. And actually you’re going to see. ” like I said, that stuff is nothing but a fad. Because most of them guys, they couldn’t make it in boxing, so they had to turn to something else. So they dig all of this different type of fighting come up."
"If you’re real, we’re like layers (ph) from the past, we go from the shoulders. Why do you think the sport of boxing been here for hundreds and hundreds of years, and they try to do " they try to get anything ” they try to do anything they can to, you know, to try to knock our sport. Boxing is the best sport in the world. Boxing is here to stay. And boxing is blood, sweat and tears."
I don't see why you guys just don't understand and let boxers box and you guys go and do the thing that you do..I have no problem with what you do. But leave boxing out of it. Every form of martial arts use there hands but you guys are the only ones who say all the stupid things to prove yourself. Boxing is a proving sport. It's self explantory I would rather fight in the sweet science then to Tapout!
Friday Dec 5, 2008 11:33:21 AM
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johnny b goode:
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i like both sports. i'm intrigued by this match. i think silva should probably box a warm up or two but thats his perrogative. i dont think jones should take the match but if he does, i'll be watching.
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 11:38:29 AM
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johnny b goode:
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i like both sports. i'm intrigued by this match. i think silva should probably box a warm up or two but thats his perrogative. i dont think jones should take the match but if he does, i'll be watching.
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 11:56:51 AM
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johnny b goode:
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...and i'd watch if a top level boxer ever decided to enter the cage.
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 12:05:20 PM
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MF:
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boxer knocked out bj penn last year at a honolulu nightclub! not even close, a boxer will beat a martial artist 9 out of 10 times in a streetfight. if it goes to the ground just bite and watch how fast they jump. if you want to learn how to be a bad ass, drop the grappling drop the muah thai drop the wrestling (especially if your name is bj or faber, and dedicate your butt to straight boxing training with elite boxers for 16 months and you would would be unstoppable in mma. can you throw 1100 punches per minute? Calzaghe does in his training! hmmm I wonder how many hours a day he spent kicking and wrestling to get his reflexes that fast? none. mma is a cool sport but it aint the toughest.
Wednesday Dec 31, 2008 05:28:57 PM
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coerly:
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F- That make Jones go in the MMA ring not Silva in to the boxing ring boxing sucks. Why wont Jones fight MMA, because he'd be humiliated.
Monday Aug 17, 2009 06:38:59 PM
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2009 Reader Of The Year Weighs In On Legacies Of Pacquiao And Mayweather
"Pacquiao has proven....in the ring... time and time again that he is the greatest of this time. He has earned his respect. He begs for nothing. He is a man content with his growth, his family and his achievements. A man the world has now turned it's eyes to behold. Floyd Mayweather is not even close in stature. He may possess the greatest skills but he is not the Face of Boxing today. Google Manny Pacquiao. There are 20 million searches. Google Floyd. There are 6.5 million. Look at the NYTimes, the Wall Street Journal and Time. Count how many words were used these past years to mention Floyd Mayweather. Then count the words still being printed about Manny. And keep counting. As I've said many times, Floyd has been too clever by half. He has short changed his public.....and has out-smarted himself. Manny will fight but a few more times. Enjoy it while you can. He is an all time great pugilist. Floyd, with all of his remarkable skills lack the will to be truly great in the biggest sense of the word. His legacy will look more like Holmes that Ali. He has earned it." ---November is half-way gone, but we don't need to keep counting ballots. It's a landslide. Fe'Roz has won the 2009 Reader of the Year award. His comments add to the website immeasurably, and he epitomizes the thoughtful, respectful, educated fan of pugilism we strive to cater to at TSS. Congrats, Fe'Roz, and please accept my thanks for being the valued member of this community that you are. Sincerely, Editor Mike
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