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Wednesday Nov 26, 2008


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Avoided Warriors Williams & Verno Phillips

By David A. Avila

RIVERSIDE, CA.-With the boxing gloves on Paul “The Punisher” Williams looks very much like a machine whose entire mission is to inflict damage on anyone.

 

The eyes have a cold focus and his face exudes anger and discontent whenever he dons the battle gear.

 

But with the boxing gloves off, or outside the gym, he’s a totally different person as if a light switch was turned on.

 

“My friends always tell me they don’t recognize the person in the ring when I fight,” said Williams with a smile. “They say they don’t know that person.”

 

Inside a California workout facility called Knockout Fitness, Williams (35-1, 26 KOs) once again turned on the killer mode as he swept through his workout routine for a group of boxing writers on Tuesday. And once again, as he took off the boxing gloves, he returned to being the amiable Southern gentleman who follows the advice of his trainer George Peterson.

 

“The reason he (Williams) is so successful is because he listens. He’s a very good young man,” said Peterson. “That’s the key to his success. He’s a very good person.”

 

Williams intends to return to his darker side when he faces IBF junior middleweight titleholder Verno Phillips (42-10-1, 21 KOs) on Saturday, Nov. 29, at the new Citizens Business Bank Arena in Ontario, California. The fight card begins at 4:30 p.m. but will be shown on HBO Boxing After Dark.

 

“I just focus and take care of business in the ring,” said Williams, 27, smiling as he talked about his split personality. “All good fighters need to focus and take care of business in there.”

 

The WBO welterweight titleholder Williams could not find an opponent in his own weight division so his promoter Goossen-Tutor Promotions put out an alert to anyone in the vicinity of his fighter’s weight. For two months nobody answered except for junior middleweight champion Phillips.

 

Williams likes the guy, especially his personality and willingness to have fun. When both met a month ago at the press conference inside the new arena, Phillips got to the microphone and said to his taller adversary “with respect” that he was going to “chop down Williams” and prove why nobody wants to fight him too.

 

“He seems like a nice guy, I had fun with him at the press conference,” said Williams with a smile. Then his face suddenly transposed into the boxer mode. “I’m a give him a birthday whipping.” (Verno's birthday is Saturday.)

 

This Saturday, warriors from two different roads converge.

 

Phillips, through years of wars against many of the best fighters between 147 and 160 pounds, has accumulated 20 years of prizefighting wisdom. The boxer from Belize has battled against all types of opponents, big and small. Despite setbacks, he continues to baffle and astound boxing fans.

 

“Oh, we know all about Verno Phillips,” said Peterson who studies his charge’s opponents like a police detective studying a crime scene. The boxing guru once wore a badge. Now he protects Williams by preparing well crafted war plans.

 

In Belize, a country bordering Honduras and Mexico, prizefighters are not in abundance. Yet, Phillips has won three world titles in his career. The last came earlier this year in St. Louis when he upset Cory Spinks.

 

When both fighters enter the ring Williams will enjoy both an eight-inch height advantage and a 14-inch superiority in reach.

 

“Paul Williams has a longer arm reach than heavyweight Vitali Klitschko,” says Dan Goossen, president of Goossen-Tutor Promotions.

 

On paper it looks like a mismatch.

 

“I’ve fought lots of guys as tall as Paul Williams,” said Phillips, 38, a boxer who

has beaten several fighters with Williams' same or similar height, including Eddie Sanchez, J.C. Candelo and Bronco McKart. All of these boxers enjoyed a huge height advantage over the happy-go-lucky Phillips.

 

“When the fight comes I’m going to chop down Paul Williams,” Phillips says eagerly. “I’m going to do what Bernard Hopkins did to Kelly Pavlik.”

 

Williams smiles at the comparisons.

 

 

The journey

 

Unlike most fighters who develop in one gym before maybe venturing to other nearby boxing clubs, Williams and Peterson have always traveled long lengths in pursuit of the warrior’s way. From gyms in Augusta, Georgia to others in Washington D.C. they’ve sparred some of the best from coast to coast.

 

“We never sparred with Vernon Forrest,” said Peterson, adding that sparring sessions with O’Neil Bell and Williams Joppy did take place.

 

Back in 2005 one of those journeys took them to Los Angeles where they walked into the now defunct L.A. Boxing Club where a now somewhat legendary sparring match took place in front of maybe a dozen observers. That day both Williams and Antonio Margarito battled for several rounds with each increasing the volume until sparring ceased and real fighting ensued. The trainers of both sides ended the firefight and rumors began to circulate from both sides.

 

The legend of Williams had been born and soon challenges were tossed by both camps until Margarito accepted and they fought on July 14, 2007. That night another firefight took place and this time Williams emerged with a judge’s victory after 12 hard fought rounds.

 

“That was probably the most stressful fight of my career,” said Williams, who proved that night that he was not simply a front-runner but someone who could rally from behind if necessary.

 

The aftershock of Williams' victory was soon dulled in his very next fight seven months later in Pechanga Casino.

 

Puerto Rico’s Carlos Quintana was not considered a threat to solve the riddle of the ultra tall and super tough Williams. But within the first round it was obvious that the lanky fighter was out of synch.

 

“If you look at the tape of the fight you can see me and I knew from the first round that Paul was not himself,” said Dan Goossen, president of Goossen-Tutor Promotions.

 

That night Quintana jumped in and out and pumped Williams with so many punches that it almost looked cartoonish. The southpaw Boricua won a clear-cut victory that Williams and team never contested. They knew it was not their night.

 

“I wasn’t on my game,” said Williams.

 

Four months later the two welterweights met again. This time it took Williams only two minutes to prove his superiority and he clobbered the lefty Puerto Rican with rapid and powerful blows.

 

“It was the best thing that could have happened to him (Williams) because he learned that you can’t always be at your best,” said Peterson.

 

Quintana never had a chance that night. He was obliterated.

 

Offers to fight two other Puerto Rican welterweights, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron, were immediately declined.

 

“I thought a lot of doors would open up,” Williams said.

 

 

Keeping busy

 

On Saturday, Williams pits his skills against the seasoned warrior Phillips in a battle that could mean the end for the elder athlete or a serious detour for the younger fighter.

 

Phillips takes it all with a smile.

 

“I call out Vernon Forrest, I call out Daniel Santos and the other champions and I don’t get no answer back,” says fast-talking Phillips, who can talk as fast as he punches. “So I go to the young lion (Williams) to get to them.”

 

Williams has all the advantages.

 

Phillips smiles when you talk about it.

 

“They’re looking past me,” says Phillips of William’s team. “He says he’s going to give me a birthday wish, but you know, he’s giving me my wish by fighting me.”

 

Williams takes a deep breath when thinking about the tribulations of the last 12 months. It’s his final test of the year and he can’t wait until he can return home and shoot his guns. It’s what he loves to do best.

 

“I have a lot of guns,” said Williams, who goes target shooting at a range with friends or in the woods alone. “I have all types of guns.”

 

Very much like the arsenal he carries into the ring. He has all kinds of weapons.

 

 

 

 

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Fistic Fury:  All I see is a massacre here. Williams in a one sided TKO. People need to stop avoiding Paul Williams and give the fans the fights we want...
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 02:49:56 AM
andy from newcastle:  The more Williams wins through a variety of weights, the better know he will become to the general sporting public outside of boxing. Eventually he could become too big a name to avoid by any of the other 'champs' between welter to possibly super middle. Two Punishers this Christmas. Toonoy
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 06:45:58 AM
rudy:  Agree with both of ya, Paul gets plenty of exposure by staying active and building a solid following by making statements from welterweight to middleweight. You cant avoid a star for long, someone will have to step up and fight the Punisher, hopefully it will be one of the names at 147. And no doubt Fistic, two huge favorites going into Saturday night's card -- I also expect Walker and Phillips to get KTFO at the hands of Arreola and Williams.
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 07:48:41 AM
Jim S:  As a fellow South Carolinian, I can honestly say I am a huge fan of PW's. What's not to like about a Goliath 147 lb fighter who just jumped up to 160 and knocked a true middleweight out cold? Add in the fact that he beat Margarito, and generally throws 100 punches a round, we should all be hooked. Having said all of that, Williams can be hit, as both Quintana and Margarito proved. As he moves up in weight, he may be able to carry his power, but how will his chin hold up? So far so good, but I think Paul's defense needs to improve if he is going to be a multi-class champion.
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 08:50:48 AM
Radam G aka Humble PRG:  Can this so-thought-of-as-a giant suffer two upset losses in a year? This is the Year of the Upset. Enough said! Holla!
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 12:49:25 PM
Ben O'connor:  not really seen phillips to be honest what type of fighter is he?
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 12:57:01 PM
Yuvie:  I am on the Williams bandwagon for sure. I'm a big fan myself. As Jim S says, what's not to like? He's willing to fight anyone between 3 weight divisions. He beat Margarito when you could still consider him a bit green. He's a busy fighter & lately he's starting to show some real power too. You gotta love any fighter who's wants to do a Henry Armstrong. I personally hope Williams dominates all 3 divisions & I think he has the goods to. He seems to have a decent chin but I worry about the lapse in defence. I think he probably came in unprepared for the 1st Quintana fight, he needs to make sure he doesn't do that again. Williams against anyone at weltweight, Jnr middle or Middleweight sounds like a great fight. Williams/Margarito II needs to happen.
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 02:47:42 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks :  Fistic Fury..I agree with you, these fighters need to step up and show some heart and fight this champion. These guys are turning down millions of dollars not to fight him...RealTalk & all the filipinos out there..Do you think Pacquiao has a chance of beating Williams? You are totally INSANE if you even think he could win 1 round. Williams is the only fighter out there that no one wants to fight. That should be the P4P King if you want to keep it real. He told Shane he would fight him any weight he wanted and anywhere. He would destroy Shane, total mismatch. Oscar will never ever have the guts to fight him. Cotto would totally get annihilated. Floyd would get crushed.
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 03:08:46 PM
donputo69 laughing at sohk:  lmfaooooo....yo hardnock?...wtf are u smoking?...I agree with u with dlh...but cotto? and mosley?...lmfaooo...maybe he will beat shane...but he won't destroy him...cotto?...did you see what cotto did to quintana?...and what quintana did to overrated williams?...just imagine cotto landing the same shots that quintana was landing on toothbrush williams....so I don't know wtf are you talking about....about scareweather?...I gotta agree with you on that one too...lol...holla back!!!!
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 05:55:17 PM
Real Talk:  I like Williams , and agree people should stop ducking him , but that's easy for us to say because we aint gotta take that beating . Man please with the Pacman vs. Williams talk . Nobody thinks Manny should be in the ring with him . I agre with what you and Fistic says except I don't think it's a lock that he crushes Cotto and Floyd . After all El Indio put them hands on him . Peace
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 07:21:46 PM
Jim S:  I think PW could struggle against boxer-punchers with very good hand speed. Especially if he comes across a fighter like that at 160, like a bigger (& younger) Mosely or slightly smaller Calzaghe. I think he gets away with a lot of mistakes fighting welterweights, but against Pavlik, Abraham, or Winky at 160 he becomes much more ordinary. I like that he wants to rule 3 divisions, but it won't happen unless he learns a little D!
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 09:53:00 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  Donputo..I don't smoke..lol U are sick man..Get out of town! I was being very nice about Cotto. Did you see what Margarito did too Cotto? Your boy Cotto wouldn't stand a chance with Williams. Too much going against him. If they ever made that fight I would bet you whatever you wanted. He's damaged goods now. RealTalk I only say this about Pacquiao because you guys act like weight and size doesn't matter when this cat fights. All I can say is that he has called out anyone and everyone and no one is knocking on his door. He would beat Pavlik & Winky, I don't know about Abraham though. Give the man his credit and due, just like Margarito.
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 10:09:17 PM
riverside:  what up with pacman vs williams? insane
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 10:10:30 PM
riverside:  i heard margarito vs mosley done deal, they are both my boys a grew up p town ,mosley is from the islands, it looks like mosely is in for terrible beating just like pacman vs dlh
Wednesday Nov 26, 2008 10:21:56 PM
Real Talk:  Hold Fast Knocks . We don't know if Cotto's damage goods until he fights again . He aint the only one who got stopped in a war before . I still say Cotto ran out of gas . Punched himself out . He was in hella good shape for the fight and thought he would stop Margo or box circles around him for 12 . Watch the fight again...you' ll see Cotto throwing combos from the opening bell of the 1st rd . He didn't pace himself which goes to what I was saying about he thought he' d stop him . Think about it everybody except Urkal that Cotto could hit flush crumbled before that fight . It's the little things , the suttle things in that fight . He was throwing combos and moving more than he usually does. Combine that with those wicked bodyshots from Margo an it drains you a lot faster . He wasn't sitting on his shots or working the body like he usually does , the uppercuts and bodyshots from Margo might of made him leary of that . But you could tell when he would stop and lean on the ropes that he was running out of gas . He fought like a warrior though ...and had the balls to jump in there with slim when everybody else was ducking him except Williams and Cintron . I'm rooting for him to come back but not in an immediate rematch . He needs to put it behind him and get back on his grind . See Margo in three or four fights . I doubt if his promotion lets him do it though . Dueces
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 02:12:09 AM
Ben O'connor:  love williams he's a class act, but beat floyd? no!! sorry chaps but just no!!! could you imaging quintana beating mayweather!!! hahaha. yeah williams ghad an off night but if floyd boxed quintana 100 times he would win every one. williams would be on my p4p list but no.1???? no!!!!
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 05:47:58 AM
andy from newcastle:  Spot on Real Talk. I respect Margarito, and was impressed with the way he just kept coming at Cotto. But in the same way as I went with Cotto for the first fight, I'd be more inclined to go with him again in a rematch. Cotto is one of the most intelligent fighters out there, he will adjust. Can Margarito? Having said that, I expect Sugar Shane to win that match in February, so it may become a moot point as Shane may get the rematch instead. As to Paul at any weight, he would pose a threat to anybody out there if he is on his game, but I don't think it is a given he would beat them necessarily. The one opponent he should definetly go for is Pavlik. High profile and in my opinion lowest risk. Similarly, the one to avoid, King Arthur, the iron man at middle. Toonoy. DON, CHECK OUT MY COMMENT ON THE ARCE EVIL VIC ARTICLE. TOONOY AGAIN.
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 09:24:24 AM
Kool-Aid:  After Paul punishes Phillips 5RD TKO, can I see Pavlik v. Williams? Would be a great fight and Paul could become a 3 division champ and a living legend very quickly.
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 10:13:01 AM
jku:  Paul Williams will be in Canostota one day. Trust me.
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 10:41:51 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  RealTalk..You are right we don't know if he's damaged goods until he fights again. I will ask you a question. How many fighters that you know of took a beating like he took in the 2nd half of the fight like that and then had his will broken was the same fighter after that? History is History. Look at Paulie, when he fought Cotto he was really destroyed and as soon as he fought another good fight look what happen. Yeah Cotto might be able to be the average Joe's but the Margarito's, Williams, Mayweather's he will get destroyed by. He has to change his trainer to even work on new things. Have you ever thought that his trainer might have showed him as much as he can? LIke Trinidad's father, They have done a great job just to reach the point where they are but it's over with. He needs to take notes from Ricky Hatton and get someone new to help. Keep his trainer but bring in someone else just to help. If he doesn't it's CURTAINS!!!
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 01:42:35 PM
andy from newcastle:  Agree HK, Cotto should definetely change trainers, he doesn't even talk to his uncle half the time. Toonoy
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 05:10:46 PM
Real Talk about to bust !!!:  Hey Knocks ......I'm too full to think right now . Too much food !!! You know what ... I saw kid dynamite get destroyed so bad I was dumbfounded the ref didn't stop it . He came back better than ever . Knocked a couple cats out . I agee with you 100% on the trainer thing though . I aint saying his uncle aint no good , just doesn't seem like they 're on the same page . I think he should've told Cotto to settle down in the first round when he was throwing all those combos . He didn't give good instructions in that fight . Doesn't seem like they get along . I'm like if you aint with me you against me . Andy from Newcastle .... I went with Margo in the first fight .... and could'nt believe 13 out of 15 picked Cotto like that was a cakewalk . I thought that was bias to say the least . I think if Cotto and his Uncle can patch it up then good cuase he got to the top with him . If not then he needs to way his options . Dueces
Thursday Nov 27, 2008 11:02:51 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks laughing at how easily Pacquiao's sparring partners was hitting him:  RealTalk..Glad you had the turkey rather then the pizza because it clogged ur brain..lol When you say come back I don't mean come back beating bums. You will never be on that level of the best anymore. If Cotto beats a average joe that doesn't mean he's back but if he beats a Clottey I would say he's back or even on a lower level beating Cintron would somewhat say he is back. I think Top Rank knows he's damaged goods now. That's why they are giving him ultimatums. What we don't know is what the fighter is going through inside. Look at Micky Ward and his fights with Gatti, even after those fights were over Ward was having double visions. Dude! he was messed up. Look at Israel Vasquez right now. He had a detached retina and who knows what problems Rafael is going through. When you go through wars like that. Something is getting damaged without a doubt.
Saturday Nov 29, 2008 09:41:04 AM
Pachachis:  Margarito/Williams I got to be a boring fight due to Williams’ excessive holding and great fighters like Margarito become frustrated as they go out there to fight and not hugged. The overall majority of boxing fans like to see a good fight and Williams, although seemingly a good person is a boring fighter. Excessive holding should be monitored and banned. Fighters who rely on excessive holding like Williams, Malignaggi, Berto, Casamayor, to name a few, are not that marketable and rely on big name fighter like Margarito to make some $$. If they were to change their tactics and fight with cojones, as most of us fight fan like to see, than boxing would be as it should be, a man’s sport.
Saturday Nov 29, 2008 01:13:20 PM
boxer:  Good point Pachachis. Holding is illegal and a referee's duty is to penalize any fighter for using that tactic as defense. It ruins the sport. You never see a guy like James Toney hold.
Saturday Nov 29, 2008 02:50:14 PM
Abraham UIT:  Williams a boring fighter? Williams is a smart fighter who beat Margarito by outboxing him. Williams never held Margarito. Williams will beat Margarito again. Why because Williams is bigger than Margarito. Margarito beats the heck out of smaller fighters. Against bigger ones like Santos and Williams,different fight. Cotto is what 5'7". Beating Cotto made Margarito welterweight champ. Williams beat Margarito. I guess that's Boxing Politics since Williams is the better fighter than Margarito. Williams did beat Margarito. No matter how many excuses are made for Margarito. Williams won the fight.
Saturday Nov 29, 2008 06:18:20 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  I agree 100% AbrahamUIT..All I say is put Cotto, Mosley, DLH, Mayweather, Berto, Cintron in the ring with Williams and you will see a complete destruction of a human being. He's just too big and throws lots of punches and is a southpaw. Plus he has heart! I don't have a problem with holding because if you are taught well, when a fighter tends to hold you at times that's when you start your work inside and while he trying to grab then you catch him underneath with good body shots. Just make it rough for him on the inside and he will let go and try to stay away.
Sunday Nov 30, 2008 10:32:01 AM
Pachachis:  Abraham UIT, for your information, here are the facts: Williams held/grabbed/clinched Margarito ONE HUNDRED TIMES and the referee warned Williams SEVENTY FIVE TIMES but did nothing to prevent Williams from holding, a tactic used by the “smart” but boring fighters such as Casamayor, Hatton, Malignaggi, Klitschko, Hopkins and others. Hence I disagree with those desiring to have Margarito facing Williams. Margarito would come out to fight and Williams to hold.
Sunday Nov 30, 2008 12:21:46 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  Pachachis..So u counted everytime that Williams held Margarito? It was 100 times? Wow! So he must have been really holding in the second half of the fight because the early rounds Williams was basically outboxing Margarito using movement by stepping around and turning him. Are you just disappointed because Williams just flat out beat Margarito? Face it nobody at welterweight can beat this guy..lol
Sunday Nov 30, 2008 03:19:23 PM
Real Talk :  Hey Knocks you see this BS this guys trying to run ?!?!? Hillarious ! Tell me something , how do you hold a lot and throw around 1,000 punches a fight ??? Cut the jokes Pachachis , Williams rumbled that fight , and never let Margo take control of the fight ...stayed busy . Somebody didn't get the memo.....holding is a part of boxing . As long as it aint excessive they should be given a few seconds to punch it out . Like Knocks said that's where some good inside fighting can take place ( an art in itself ) , that's the rough stuff that separate the men from the cream puff . STOP CRYING DOGNUTS!!!! Aint no room for Divas in the ring . Dueces
Sunday Nov 30, 2008 10:17:32 PM
Real Talk:  You know what , I think he's talking about late in the fight when Margo landed a good shot and hurt Paul . Paul grabbed him ( which is a nod to his intelligence and skill ) and shook it off . He wasn't even hurt bad ...just buzzed a little . Handle Margo and cruise to the Decision . Although Knocks you can't say he's unbeatable again El Indio put the hands on him . Peace n Blessings
Sunday Nov 30, 2008 10:27:03 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  RealTalk..You are right, he did lose to Quintana but I just don't see him at welterweight losing to anyone including Mayweather, Jr. I respect your knowledge a great deal because I can tell you know the art of the game. Do you still spar? It's a lot that takes place in a fight that a lot of people don't pick up. Like you said holding is a part of the game as long as it's not excessive.
Monday Dec 1, 2008 01:03:02 AM
Real Talk:  Sup Knocks, I aint been to the gym in a week . Too busy slinging sofas . I got a small moving company ....be three years in Business Jan.10, 09 . I've been conditioning and shadowboxing though . I got alot of time this week to get in there and get some work . I've been shadowboxing with the weights . Makes my hands faster and lighter . Thanx for the compliment , I'm on boxing hard , my son watches me and throws punches every time I watch a fight . He's 1 1/2 and looks like he knows something . I gotta stop doing that in front of him because now he tries it on everybody even his big sisters ...which is a no no . Till next time ..... dueces
Monday Dec 1, 2008 01:34:52 AM
Pachachis:  Those are FACTS, next time you are able to see the fight, count them 100 times Margo was held by Williams and the ref warned williams 75 times. Again, those are FACTS
Monday Dec 1, 2008 09:18:30 AM
Pachachis:  That's one of the reasons Williams is not marketable period
Monday Dec 1, 2008 09:21:44 AM
SchoolOfHeartKnocks:  PACHACHIS..Did he hold against Verno Phillips? Did he hold against Quintana? Did he hold against Kolle? I'm just asking because I don't think that has anything to do it and besides this guy throws more punches than Margarito so he don't have that much time to hold. I don't understand what you are trying to get at. Like I asked earlier, could it be that you are upset because he beat Margarito and you know Margarito can't beat him. If Margarito thought he could he would have taken the rematch real soon. Believe me, Williams gives fighters every opportunity in the world because he throws so many punches. There are so many counters he could get hit with. It's just that Margarito was too busy trying to block punches coming at him instead of looking at countering. Plus Margarito has no footwork. Daniel Santos didn't hold Margarito, or did he hold Margarito 125 times..lol
Monday Dec 1, 2008 10:17:24 AM
Pachachis:  SchooloftheHeartsKnocks. Nothing that I have written is untrue. You’re talking about Williams not holding Phillips reminds me to suggest to you to watch the fight again and you will see how often Williams held Phillips. It’s funny but people with the herd mentality (truck drivers) do not see things for themselves, they just SWALLOW what is being fed to them. One point (fact): Hopkins hits and holds whereas Williams holds and hits… Boring…
Monday Dec 1, 2008 07:42:49 PM
Real Talk getting it in:  Truck Drivers ???? I wonder who Pachachis is indirectly talking about ? I drive a truck cuzo . What do you mean by truck drivers ? Stereotyping in any form is some of the most ignorant type of behavior . That's like saying all black people such and such , or all chinese people this and that . Truck Driver ...... I got four businesses sir . One of the smoothest , charismatic , intelligent , and reasonable(toot toot) people you might have the pleasure of running into ....if I must say so myself . Despise not small beginnings is what I'm on . A lot of truck drivers making more than $100,000 a year champ . Do your research . I know two companies started with one truck and grossed over 45 million last year . Shipping is big business AND i'M IN IT TO GET- GET IT . That American Dream aint no reason I can't live it . Dueces p.s. If you can't get it here you can't get it nowhere . Real Talk 08
Monday Dec 1, 2008 10:29:21 PM
SchoolOfhardKnocks:  PACHACHIS...I didn't understand the Truck driver Theory?? Could you explain better? I do agree with you that Williams did hold in the later rounds, especially when he started to tire. But that is not the reason Margarito lost. Do you think that's the reason? The fight was not boring to me. It actually was a very entertaining fight. Pachachis..Have you ever heard of boxing 101? That's taking somebody to school. That's what Williams did to Margarito. Hopkins gave Pavlik boxing 101. Do you believe in a fighter using skills or do you just like for 2 guys to meet in the center of the ring and go toe to toe?
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 01:02:04 AM
Real Talk:  I think it's the latter
Tuesday Dec 2, 2008 02:52:30 PM
Pachachis:  SchooloftheHeartsKnocks, Money isn’t everything, look at Mayweather who is he in terms of being a well mannered individual/idol figure to his young followers?. He needs a formal education if he wants to prove something. As for truck drivers, that’s all they do, drive trucks (it’s supposed to be joke) they do not have to use their heads. And Finally, I am talking about EXCESSIVE HOLDING….
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 11:54:16 AM

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"Pacquiao has proven....in the ring... time and time again that he is the greatest of this time. He has earned his respect. He begs for nothing. He is a man content with his growth, his family and his achievements. A man the world has now turned it's eyes to behold. Floyd Mayweather is not even close in stature. He may possess the greatest skills but he is not the Face of Boxing today. Google Manny Pacquiao. There are 20 million searches. Google Floyd. There are 6.5 million. Look at the NYTimes, the Wall Street Journal and Time. Count how many words were used these past years to mention Floyd Mayweather. Then count the words still being printed about Manny. And keep counting. As I've said many times, Floyd has been too clever by half. He has short changed his public.....and has out-smarted himself. Manny will fight but a few more times. Enjoy it while you can. He is an all time great pugilist. Floyd, with all of his remarkable skills lack the will to be truly great in the biggest sense of the word. His legacy will look more like Holmes that Ali. He has earned it." ---November is half-way gone, but we don't need to keep counting ballots. It's a landslide. Fe'Roz has won the 2009 Reader of the Year award. His comments add to the website immeasurably, and he epitomizes the thoughtful, respectful, educated fan of pugilism we strive to cater to at TSS. Congrats, Fe'Roz, and please accept my thanks for being the valued member of this community that you are. Sincerely, Editor Mike

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