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Wednesday Nov 19, 2008


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Manny Pacquiao: A Class Of His Own

By David A. Avila

HOLLYWOOD-Manny Pacquiao’s media day usually brings hundreds of fans to the doorstep of the Wild Card Boxing Gym where the great Filipino star usually trains.

 

Not on this day.

 

Word must have gotten out that Pacquiao’s training camp is tighter than Fort Knox because there were less than 100 fans of Pacman, but more than 100 reporters. Something was wrong in Hollywood.

 

Let’s back track.

 

On Monday, I woke up earlier than usual so I could prepare for a long day. I picked up fellow boxing writer Ronan Keenan of Ireland in a Riverside hotel, then we trekked across Riverside and San Bernardino counties on our way to the city of dreams, Hollywood.

 

Keenan traveled from his native town of Dublin to the Ultimate Fighting Championship fight card last Saturday, and then flew to California to take a look at the hefty boxing scene of Southern California.

 

It’s been around 90 degrees the last week.

 

Our first destination was a Hollywood Greek restaurant near the Paramount movie studios where we expected to have lunch with a few reporters and Top Rank’s Bob Arum. The reporters showed up for the delicious food at La Petite Greek, but no Arum. Replacing the super promoter was Todd DuBoef, president of the company.

 

After an hour of lunch, we all jumped in our cars at around 1 PM and headed for the Wild Card, which is located about a half mile from the restaurant. It was packed with cars so we parked a few blocks away.

 

Walking up the staircase of the Wild Card I spotted a few of the hardcore boxing fans I usually see at the big events. These are the fans I love. They come to most of the fights and they’re the lifeblood of the sport. Without these diehards boxing would be lost.

 

Inside the boxing gym that first was built by Hollywood star Mickey Rourke (who has a great movie coming out called The Wrestler), a number of the best boxing journalists on the West Coast are assembled. Television cameras are everywhere and the main part of the gym is rather empty. It’s because Manny is in the other room where about 100 reporters are squished in trying to interview Freddie Roach or Pacquiao.

 

Good luck.

 

Keenan and I hung in the back. No sense fighting the hordes of hell for nothing. Lee Samuels and Ricardo Jimenez, two of the top public relations specialists in the sport, spot me waiting for the others to finish their huddle with Roach. They motion me over so I can get a closer spot to speak with the boxing guru Roach.

 

Roach is one of the nicest guys in the sport and has always been very giving of his time. In this interview he revealed to the two dozen reporters that he does not like Oscar De La Hoya’s new trainer Nacho Beristain.

 

“He’s an (donkey),” said Roach.

 

Now Roach rarely, I mean rarely gets mad at anybody. It’s like waiting for an eclipse of the sun. Don’t hold your breath.

 

The boxing trainer related how one day he wanted to take a photo with Beristain and the famed Mexican trainer shrugged him off and made a comment in Spanish that when translated meant he was trying to have sex.

 

Roach fumed while telling the story.

 

“That was disrespectful,” he said. "(Forget) him.”

 

One thing about Roach, he does not lie.

 

In boxing you learn who are the truthful fellows and who likes to exaggerate. You also learn who would rather die than lie and those who avoid answering anything. It’s part of being a journalist to determine where your interviewees fall.

 

Roach is very honest.

 

There have been secrets he’s shared with me that I will never reveal because I know he said them in trust. Boxing is better because of guys like him.

 

After speaking to Roach, it was the Pound for Pound champion’s turn.

 

If you’ve talked to Pacquiao more than a few times you know what to expect from the boxing super star.

 

He’s a humble cat.

 

Now, he would never say 'I’m going to crush Oscar De La Hoya' because he knows he’s fighting one of the living legends of the sport. Pacman has class. A lot of class.

 

“I cannot comment on that, I can only comment on myself,” said Pacquiao when asked to comment something De La Hoya said during his media day last week.

 

About 45 minutes later the interviews are over and the speedy boxer begins his paces in the gym. First he warms up, then hits the speed bag, then finally jumps in the ring, without a shirt on, and looks like he’s ready to fight on the spot.

 

This guy was a flyweight?

 

Pacquiao looks ripped, and like he’s been fighting at welterweight his entire life. But still, he is much shorter than any welterweight I’ve seen on the elite level.

 

Working on his punches he displays the speed of a machine gun spitting punches like bullets in the air. He’s quick.

 

After a few rounds, Roach puts on the green padded body harness that he uses to allow Pacquiao to hit him with body punches. The trainer looks good working with his protégé.

 

While looking at the super fast Filipino boxer I think of all the great Filipino fighters of the past. My grandfather was stationed in the Philippines during World War II and always had a fondness for the people and the islands. Now 94, he still likes to talk about the great Filipino fighters of the past who he saw fight at the Olympic Auditorium and in the various Southern California arenas.

 

He’s never seen Pacquiao live but he can imagine how good he is if many are claiming he’s not only the best ever Filipino boxer, but probably the best fighter Asia has ever produced.

 

On December 6, at the MGM Grand, the world might see if he’s one of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen if he beats De La Hoya.

 

It’s a tall order. Believe me.

 

Don’t miss it.

 

  

 

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Contact David A. Avila @ TheSweetScience.com


floyd jones d greatest:  manny is a unique fighter but he only relies on his power and speed. his game has a lot of holes which were exposed by a prime morales and marquez.im a filipino but itruly think jmm was robbed twice of victory when he fought pacman.if odlh is not drained due to the weight drop he will definitely win and would surely expose pacman.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:51:54 AM
Chao Kao:  To: floyd jones d greatest - .................and you call yourself a Filipino. No wonder the Philippines remains a 3rd world country. And I'm a chinese from asia... Go Pac! Beat them all! Unite Asia!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 06:41:36 AM
CHRISKELION 1968:  On Dec 6th your going to see how good pacquiao is! He's silent, he's humble, he never trash talk or predict a KO win on his opponents everytime he fights, he's the #1 pound for pound boxer, and best boxer in the planet today! If you compare MANNY to Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather Jr during their P4P reign, they're just "BALLET DANCERS" in the ring compared to PACMAN. Pacman goes in to the ring to fight! he's got speed on both hands and feet, has strong legs, he's got power, stamina, solid chin, very aggressive, very exiting, never boring and he's got the guts to be reckless in the ring and does'nt care to get hit. not like Floyd and Roy, they just dance, no guts, and afraid to get hurt. NOTE: If calzaghe became a 2 division world champion co'z he won ring magazine belt from bernard. well, Manny is already a 5 division world champion. co'z he beat and won the ring magazine belt from Barera at 126 Lbs in their 2003 Featherweigh fight. WBC 112, IBF122, RING126, WBC130, WBC135 Lbs champ.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 07:14:33 AM
rudy:  Boring
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 08:04:57 AM
Radam G aka Humble PRG:  I don't agree with my man, Rudy, at all. It is so not boring. I'll be back later to respond. PacMan is knocking out Oscar in seven or less. Holla!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 08:45:03 AM
zenjim:  "only relies on his power and speed" Floyd, that's not bad, because I think he has more of it than ODH. No doubt he is a little weak on defense, but I think he will be too fast for ODH. He's also got a great chin. And if it goes to the later rounds, ODH will fade. Also just watched the HBO 24/7 and for what it's worth PacMan looked scary good in the ring. ODH looked OK, but I dug that he had Angelo Dundee in his camp. Hope it doesn't cause grief with Nacho. I got the San Miguels and the Tecates on ice for this one.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 08:56:01 AM
Rofel:  One thing why Filipinos love Manny is that he is more than just a boxer. He is also a provider. When he says he is not fighting just for himself but for his countrymen as well, he mean it, because winner or loss he shares his blessings to his people by providing medical, educational and recreational assistance while remains humble. Peacemaker. Why? Philippines is zero-accident, zero-crime rate everytime he fights.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 09:23:31 AM
donputo69 still looking for queen elizabeth:  no comments....holla back!!!!!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 09:42:06 AM
Robert Curtis:  Manny is not boring. I get chills just looking at him. This is a natural born warrior. It's like watching a panther strutting about in a cage. Yeah, the golden tweetybird played the big bully by cherrypicking this unlikely match-up. I can't wait to see the look on Oscar's face when he realizes his mistake.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 10:20:59 AM
RIVERSIDE:  I SURE HOPE PACMAN KNOCKS DOWN DLH, I'M A MEXICAN FAN BUT DLH IS NO MEXICAN
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 10:30:01 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  You guys are killing me with this GREAT Manny junk. When someone says natural born warrior, I think of Evander Holyfield in his prime. The fighter I think of now is Vic Darchinyan. I also have Israel Vasquez and Rafael Marquez as ultimate warriors. Manny is so over rated!!!!! He's not a special fighter. He's guy that Top rank has put in the right fights against guys that's not going to expose him to show that he is an imposter. Look at Top rank right now they have guys I bet you guys have never even heard of that is undefeated. That's how Top Rank does it. Have you ever heard of Jose Aguinga a top rank fighter. He's 30-0. Steven Luevano is 36-1 and is the WBO featherweight champion but yet he has not fought any of the top featherweights in his division. I thought he was the champ! And being the champ you fight the best or the mandatory #1 challenger. You guys will jump on the bandwagon real quick, but yet you refuse to get past the fog in front of your eyes. You're quick to say what Pacquiao has accomplished by beating old Morales and Barrera, but I haven't heard anyone say that Zahir Raheem beat Morales before Pacquaio. So why didn't Raheem's career take off....That's the question, the answer to that is that Top Rank didn't want to promote black fighters because most black fighters don't have a great following such as the filipino, puerto rican and mexican audience.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 11:05:29 AM
in touch :  if manny can't send chills down your spine when he's fighting no one can. he far and away the most exciting boxer in the last 2 decades. the man knows one thing; come forward and start swinging. only the great roberto duran fought like that... except duran had an amazing defense to go with his attack. pacman is getting better with his defense. he's starting to roll with shots while coming in. i hope he wins. it will be good for boxing. but he is giving a lot on height and reach. who knows, he might just be too quick getting in and out. we never know that until the night of the fight. two fighters bring in their styles, then it's about who can execute on that night. speed goes a long way in this sport. both guys have speed. tenacity can be a tough thing to beat also, that's what pacman carries with him into the ring.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 11:12:21 AM
bongoton:  floyd jones d greatest: Marquez was robbed? are you out of your mind? do you even know what the term robbery means to boxing? Roberry is handing Casamayor the win vs. Sta. Cruz. Pacquiao-Marquez was a close fight and could have gone either way. The judges had the last say and that's it! A lot of people doesn't give Manny a chance in this fight. I think Pacquiao will once again rise to the occasion and show the world what a Filipino can do. Go Manny!!!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 11:30:22 AM
REAL TALK:  Pacman is one of the most exciting fighters today and will fight whoever . This fight is proof of that . Oscar is a coward and needs to fight someone his own size or retire . Mayweather /Forbes/ now Pacman ?!?! Who's next Nonito Donaire . Sad , how this so called face of boxing is hurting the sport . I hope Manny overwhelms him with speed / power / will . Peace
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 12:13:33 PM
RIVERSIDE:  in touch, you've been asleep for the past two decades, that why you think pacman is the best fighter in the past two decades, he doesn't even rank in my top 100, chavez, whitaker,rosario,etc pacman barely got past marquuez, the first fight if it wasn't for the knockdowns, pacman would have lost, second fight with marquez same story, not making excuses for marquez, he lost, but it could have gone either way,now on your list where do rank marquez #2 in the past 20 years, no, he is around 300th one slot in front of pacman
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 12:14:44 PM
Dr. Votts:  If Manny's chin holds up he's gonna eat Oscar like power pellets . I've seen nothing from Oscar to convince me otherwise . He couldn't KO Forbes or Mayweather so what makes you think he's going to KO Manny. Also Manny's defense is underrated because he brings so much firepower to the ring . The only thing that worries me is cuts, Manny doesn't do well with cuts . Oscar better use his jab the whole fight or it's going to be a hard night at the office . Speed kills and their is no substitute for the heart of a champion . Combine that with the fact that Oscar has come down almost 40 lbs. and we got a very unpredictable night Dec. 6 . Shalom
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 12:28:06 PM
Big Daddy:  I can't believe all of the Phoney Hype over this Glorified Money Grab. Both Manny and Oscar are diminished for taking part in this FARCE.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 12:58:59 PM
Solo:  School of Hard Knocks: You mention Evander Holyfield as your choise for "Warrior", but it is well known that Evander ordered tens of thousands of dollars worth of steroids under an alias. And, like a fool had it sent to one of his properties and used his own cell-phone number for the contact information. lol . And this is the guy opening his mouth about Manny being on roids. You know how to know when someone is great? When people go well out of their way to hate on or put a smear on your name.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 01:02:42 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG researching boxing archives:  Great piece, fightwriter David-double-A. Gosh, I guess you are quite the humble one, too. You've censored "Top Notch Trainer" -- TNT -- Freddie Roach's words in kindness. Of course, he called Nacho (Chips) Beristain a jacka$$. And Freddie said fudge him, or more like F__k him. Well, I think of Nacho as a wilding alley cat. This guy has no tack. He is constantly rude to Pinoys. And I don't have a clue why. But that is okay, because the "midget" welterweight is going to scorch Oscar's butt. And Nacho is certain to scapegoat the great Angie Dundee for Oscar's defeat. And DLH will be knocked silly in seven rounds or less. I don't know where all this talk about height is coming from. In battles of tall and short fighters, the shorties have won the majority of the time. To name a few memorable ones: Carmen Basilio over Sugar Ray Robinson; Gene Tunney over Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard over Tommy Hearns, Marvelous Marvin Hagler over Tommy Hearns, Aaron Pryor over Alex Fernardez, Sugar Shane Mosley over Oscar De la Hoya and Pacquiao over Morales. Sugar Ray Robinson is thought of as P4P GOAT by many. But 16 or the Sugarman 19 listed losses were by fighters four inches or more shorter than he. People can talk about reach and size forever, but the end results will be a kayo in round 7 or less for AGOAT -- Asian Greatest OF All Times -- Manny "PaaaacccccccMMMMMaaaaaannnnnn" Paaaciiiiqqqquaaaiiiooo. Holla!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 01:18:49 PM
Jonn:  Marvelous Money Pacquiao!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 01:59:14 PM
Robert Curtis:  Gene Tunney fought who as a shorty?
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:10:27 PM
Yuvie:  It's a big hope. If Pac does somehow beat Oscar then he deserves all the respect. I wish he would win.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:38:37 PM
Yuvie:  It's a big hope. If Pac does somehow beat Oscar then he deserves all the respect. I wish he would win, that would be a real nice early christmas present.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:38:59 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG:  My bad, Bobby C! I meant Gene Fullmer. Thanks for looking out. Some of the haters and posers would have had me for chop liver. Holla!
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:39:24 PM
theboyb901:  Paper fight. Hoya UD.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:45:42 PM
AG:  RADAM, you are always sooo right, but Nacho and Dundee will both be scapegoats when Oscar gets beaten again. Freddie was his whipping boy when he couldn't beat Floyd-- all because he fell apart at the seams from the 6th round to the end of the fight and couldn't execute the plan laid out by Freddie. So Oscar spewed crap and blamed Freddie for his failure to execute against Floyd. And the song will remain the same Dec. 6.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 02:52:22 PM
Ramonito eating rice:  Oscar in 3.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 04:07:20 PM
AG:  kim chi
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 05:23:59 PM
rudy:  Not calling Manny or Oscar boring, but the coverage the press is giving this fight. As I mentioned in a previous post, better fights THIS WEEKEND than this bout. Nothing against Manny, I'm acutally rooting for him (although dont think he will win), but this is same information every other site, sports radio, and HBO are already talking about. Why continue rehashing the same $h!t we see on 24/7?
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 06:02:49 PM
REAL TALK:  OK Knocks , Zahir Raheem doesn't put cheeks in seats . His running , pot shotting syle aint flashy enough and he aint a banger either . This is business and nobody is gonna throw money away on purpose . Raheem lost his title so fast it's ridiculous . Did he even defend it 1 time before Acelino Freitas(original quitter) took it from him ? He didn't come into that fight in shape and it showed . You can't blame Top Rank for that . He beat a Morrales who coundn't get it done at 135 period . Campained twice and failed . R. Marquez is more of a boxer puncher than a warrior to me . He was forced into a war by Vasquez and he abliged . Props to both . I'm starting to think yous a Pacman hater . One things for certain and two things for sure you 're gonna get your moneys worth with Pac unless the other guy doesn't come to fight . Nobody said he was the slickest or sharpest most technically sound fighter . But he is a good fighter who trains hard and has become a more complete fighter . People said Diaz was made to order ..... well why didn't anybody else roll over him before Pacman . Come on Knocks ....say it with me ..... Pacman is G o o o o d . Peace n Blessings
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 07:09:28 PM
Real Talk sipping a blackeye about to get on my routine:  THIS Oscar ....is an IMPOSTER , show nuff gon get his face crushed in a shocker . Promotes proper ,pop a lot a Sh!t like a big shotter , playing mind games with the 24/7 soap opera . THE talk and trickery is pretty good gimmickry , won't be enough to get his hands raised in victory . As for me when it's done ....won't feel a bit of sympethy . Should've stayed in his lane but instead pyed the penalty . You can get the Money , plus the power but it's the respect that's makes it sweet instead of sour . Money and ower comes and goes but respect and Legacy is remembered above everything . Dueces
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 08:05:24 PM
BIG DAWG:  Oscar an imposter? This man has fought everyone since '92. Chavez, Quartey, Mosley twice, Trinadad, B-Hop, Vargas, Mayorga, Mayweather. Everyone, everybody over 16 years. This sport is alive because of his talent and his marquee value. No One since Tyson could draw like ODLH. Sure he lost his decisions to Mosley. Probably would eveyr time given their styles. He exposed and beat Tito until he made a bad decision to coast. Destroyed Chavez, Vargas and Mayorga. Mayweather won clearly but marginally. B-Hop was and is a much bigger man.....and yes HE stopped Oscar. But the idea that Manny will KO Oscar is pure fantasy and wishful thinking. Too big too strong too proud. Manny on the other hand will be right there giving us every penny's worth. But I'll bet ever last of my falling pounds (Sterling) Manny cannot and will not stop Oscar.
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 10:44:51 PM
TOMMY R:  lets remember that trinidad and the 2nd mosley fight are 2 that oscar should have won , those are 2 losses that should not be on his record
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 11:33:18 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  REALTALK..SOLO..I love this..I'm no hater but I just speak what I believe. First of all I like to get to this Solo person...I said Holyfield was a warrior. I do believe he took steroids as well. But when he was a Light heavyweight he didn't have to and that is the Holyfield that I loved as a fighter and he was truly a warrior regardless of what you think, I think he should retire now. But I'm no idiot and just say stupid idiotic things about a fighter like Pacquiao who has no defense and really no skills. Say whatever you want but if he beat Oscar I will be man about it and say he suprised me and he was the better man. But I'm sure you are going to have an excuse if Oscar knocks him OUT! I see neither of you guys mentioned who I said is today's warrior "VIC DARCHINYAN" now he is a real warrior like I said. Now for you REALTALK.. Yeah Zahir Raheem beat Morales, you said it for me. He beat Morales before Pacquiao did and yet you guys are giving Pacquiao sooo much credit for beating a past his time Morales and as far Barrera goes, didn't Rocky Juarez fight Barrera to a draw and then the judges turned around a gave it to Barrera. So who is Juarez, come on GET REAL! We are talking about some guy who you guys have given all this credit too but yet taken credit away from Calzaghe...lol You guys are killin me. Dr.Votts said if Oscar couldn't knockout of Forbes and Mayweather so what makes Oscar think he can knockout of Manny. Can Dr Votts say Forbes and Mayweather are defensive specialist. Come ON! That was wild of him to make that statement. Manny has so many weaknesses it's a shame and they will be exposed on Dec. 6th
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008 11:58:58 PM
REAL TALK watching Emile Griffith vs. Gaspar Ortega 1960 at the Garden:  Ok.... let me get at B. Dawg first . I said .... listen carefully ..... THIS OSCAR . The De La Hoya that I was a fan of doesn't exist anymore . The De La Hoya I knew would've stepped up and fought Margo or some of the real contenders in his weight class instead of cherrry picking little guys like Forbes , Pacman , Hatton etc. So I'll say it again THIS OSCAR IS AN IMPOSTER . I don't know who the hell he is !!! MAN EMILE LANDED 4 LEFT HOOKS STRAIGHT !!! For the record I think Oscar beat Shane in the second fight and Mayweather , Mayorga was a breathing heavybag and Vargas was a good one . Ok .... Knocks ......come on man !?!? You can't be serious about Pacman . Didn't he win championships in muliple weightclasses ??? Didn't he fight the best competition in all except lightweight (just got there) ?? You talking about excuses .... you making excuses for Morrales and Barrera . What about Marquez ?? What about the Champ he took apart on 2WEEKS NOTICE ?!?! tHINK HIS NAME WAS LEDWABA . I like Vic , but when he fought a slick boxer he got ktfo real bad . STILL LIKE'EM . Raheem fought a lil guy Morrales like a puss ...even when he had him hurt . Terrible looked slow at lightweight . Styles make fights and Rocky gave Barrera problems . What does that mean. Pacman Destroyed Barrera years b4 that fight . He stopped El Terrible when Raheem couldn't . Pleeease ... don't bring up Raheem no more , that's a waste of typing . Dueces
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 12:50:27 AM
Dr. Votts:  To SchoolofHardKnocks , Steve Forbes is a so called defense specialist . I know this but did you see how many punches he ate against De La Hoya ? What about Berto ? He doesn't have half the power of Pacquiao but he fractured De La Hoya's eye socket . All fighters have weaknesses . Why has Manny been so successful ? What strengths does Pacquiao possess ? Better yet what about De La Hoyas weaknesses. His lack of stamina , his problems with speed , or his problem with shorter fighters . De La Hoya isn't a fighter anymore he's a part time promoter/ fighter . He can't even make his mind up on a trainer . He 's come down almost forty pounds for this fight and he hasn't fought at this weight in 7 yrs. Did you see how fat De La Hoya was before he started training for this fight . I'm not buying it . De La Hoya hasn't fighting consistently in years . This is a business transaction for him , this is all Pacquiao does . I've been saying this for awhile now , If De La Hoya doesn't KO Pacquiao in six he's going to lose this fight . He can't sustain the pace with Pacquiao and his legs won't hold him for 12 rounds against an opponent who won't stop coming . Shalom
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 01:18:07 AM
Boxer:  Pacman is the best fighter today. But he's not big enough for De La Hoya. Freddie Roach made this match so he doesn't have to face guys like Nate Campbell, Joan Guzman, Juan Diaz or Juan Manuel Marquez. Top Rank knows those guys can beat Pacman. They also know Pacman won't get paid much to fight those guys that can beat him.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 01:48:01 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  TO CHAO KAO....the philippines being a 3rd world country has nothing to do about this fight or boxing....hellllooooooo!lol. at least the philippines does not produce any products with melamine or any poisonous substances that could kill any consumer.hahahaha.i realyy do not care who wins this fight i am just analyzing what can happen come fight night.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 04:56:53 AM
paulbo:  Manny by 4th-round KO. He'll catch De La Hoya, who will be winning the fight. I just think the inactivity and half-heartedness De La Hoya has displayed the last few years has to catch up with him sooner or later. Manny is an animal who LOVES to fight. He's also the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world. Weight differences won't mean anything in this fight. All it takes is one from Pac-Man.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 06:48:51 AM
Solo:  Excuses, excuses, excuses. School of Hard Knocks seems to have many. I don't remember a light heavy Evander, possibly before my fisticuff watching time, but I do remember a Cruiser weight Evander,and he was definately a warrior. Frankly I don't mind who you think is a warrior because you can have your opinion. Vic Darchinyan is a warrior, but he got knocked to the back of the block by " The Flash" just this past year. Does that make him any less a warrior? I didn't think so. And about Zahir Raheem beating Morales, yes it was a great display and he was the CLEAR winner. But, he did not win in the fashion that Pac Man did over Morales. That said, a win is a win is a win, so congrats to Zahir. But, I don't think Morales took too much damage from the Raheem fight, meaning he wasn't exposed or thought of as a shot fighter before his next fight with Pac Man. Morales and Barrera were dismantled and dispatched into retirement by great careers filled with many fights, and some wars, but the final stamping was put on by the Pac Man. I am not one who thinks Manny is Invincible. I know just how dangerous this fight is, and if it goes badly, could be a career turner. Yes Manny has his weeknesses, like everyone. But, he more than makes up with his many, many strengths.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 08:40:48 AM
Solo:  No excuses for me come December 6th. If ODLH wins, he was/is the better man. If Pac Man wins then the same to him. I am picking Pac Man UD.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 08:50:20 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  Let me get to Solo first...lol I don't make excuses Solo, but you did embarrass yourself by saying you don't remember Evander at Light heavyweight, that's tells me that you have only been watching boxing since 1985. Oh you really have an idea about the sweet science. You say Dachinyan got ko'd out. From my recollection didn't Manny get KO'd twice?? You are confusing me. So you are telling me that if a guy wins all of his fights and doesn't win by ko he is not better then a guy who loses some fights but if he KO's a guy that the guy who won all of his fights beats is better. GET REAL! My point that you guys don't want to admit is that Morales and Barrera was way past there prime when Pacquiao beat them. Yes he beat Marquez by close decisions. Does that mean that Marquez is the 2nd best...GET REAL! LOL You guys are killin me. Manny has several weaknesses. He has been KO'd twice remember that. Thank you BOXER for seeing what it is today, and that is Top Rank would have never put Pacquiao in the ring with those guys Diaz, Campbell, Guzman and I even think Soto because Manny would surely have been exposed and KO'd.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 11:50:53 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  RealTAlk...You are funny man..lol You and someone name me 2 great fighters that Manny has beaten other then old Barrera and Morales. GET REAL! It took 9 rounds for Pacquiao to tko a terribly slow BUM David Diaz so you are telling me Oscar is no better then a BUM Diaz. Dr.Votts. I'm not a big fan of oscar and I do agree with you that he is a fighter/promoter. Oscar was so much bigger then Forbes, you saw it. Come on man. Open your eyes. So you are telling me that Manny can beat Berto? Berto would kill Manny, that would be a total KO without a question as well. Manny is not the fighter you guys think he is. You will see Dec. 6th. And that won't prove anything because Oscar is so much bigger and stronger then Manny.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 12:01:54 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks:  For all the Pacquiao bandwagon fans. I'm almost sure it will happen if Freddie Roach don't jump in and stop the fight before he gets beaten down. And that is Manny will take an awful beating and he will get destroyed. All of that little hopping up and down and jumping in he will get timed and run right into a shot. For all those that don't know. Oscar should be able to fight Manny 3 different ways but Manny can only fight him 1 way. MANNY WILL GET DESTROYED!! BELIEVE THAT..LOL
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 12:18:58 PM
Radam G aka Humble PRG checking out some videoshots of ODLH's sparring:  Wow! I see it now. The power of AGOAT and the TNT will cause a volcanic eruption for ODLH and send him in a CB mode. Translation: The Asian Greatest Of All Times -- PacMan -- and the Top Notch Trainer, Freddie Roach's plan will cause Oscar De la Hoya a Chris Byrd-like whooping. Like Byrd, Oscar has lost too much weight too quickly, and will flop like turkey, quack like a duck and crash like a Doo Doo bird. Manny, for certain, is going to knock this scarecrow-looking Golden Oldie out in round seven. Oscar is so weak that the great guru Angie Dundee is worry about him. Holla!
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 12:33:12 PM
Solo:  School Of HK. Yes you are right I wasn't watching in 85, but this is 2008. And that hasn't kept me from watching many old fights. That is beside the point. The rest of what you wrote was very confusing. Go back read it and tell me what you meant. Obviously you didn't read what I wrote, I agreed with you on some things. More things than not actually.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 12:46:48 PM
Ramonito agree with Boxer:  You right boxer he should fight the number 1 on 135lbs, and i am filipino and i dont like or think Manny will win, i bet on Oscar,by KO on 3.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 04:05:44 PM
Real Talk:  Manny can't beat Berto in my opinion . Manny can beat Oscar in my opinion . Oscar can't beat Berto either . Berto would rip Oscar a new one in my opinion. I think Oscar is too slow and doesn't train hard enough . Oscar wakes up in silk pajamas Look at that picture of him throwing his jab . Now picture Manny slipping that jab and popping Oscar in his mouth . Oscar gets too tense which slows his reaction time . Manny aint been jumping and lunging in for a while now , 2years at least .... he's got better . Diaz took a hellacious beating and the ref should' ve stop that fight way earlier . You keep saying Barrera and Morrales was WAAAAY past their prime . LMFAO ...You going WAAAAY overboard with that one . It's ridiculous . Nobody wanted to fight Marquez , not Barrera not Morales . Manny took that fight lickety split . No Problemo . TRUE WARRIOR WHO LOVES WHAT HE DOES . For the life of me I can't understand why you don't like Pacman . He just gives us good exciting fights, that's all , no more no less . Oscar is jelous of Pacman to me . He sees Pacman as his replacement . The next Golden goose , power house PPV king . Manny has something he will never have , the adoration of his own Mexican people . LOL ...you got that Oscar !!! he he he . If Manny loses this fight it doesn't diminish him one bit . Only thing it would do is put JC at the top of p4p list . I doubt Manny loses any sleep over it . Doesn't strike me as the egomaniac type . I got Manny contorting Soto's face every which-a-way and stopping him . Too strong ,too fast . I don't know how you can punch in the roadrunner Guzman . REALLY YOU JUST PUNCHED IN GUZMAN . I give Manny a good shot at D. Diaz but don't think he would do good against Campbell . I think stylistically that's not a good match up for Manny . To me Oscar has faded , aint what he use to be . I think he's gonna get old in the ring right before our eyes . But who knows maybe he still got sometingleft in the tank , but if that's the case why aint he fighting somebody in the most deepest weightclass talent wise in boxing . I hear ice cracking . We'll see if can skate on this one . Peace
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 06:52:46 PM
Real Talk:  correction J. Diaz
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 06:55:53 PM
Solo:  I'm with you on that one RealTalk...
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 07:01:31 PM
Real Talk:  TRUE BILL SOLO !!! P.S. KNOCKS ..... IF MARQUEZ CAN WALK THROUGH CASAMAYOR LIKE HE DID IT AINT HARD TO SEE MANNY DOIN THE SAME TO ONE OF THE OTHER CHAMPS . THINK ABOUT IT ...LOL .....MEDITATE ON THAT ONE !!!! P4P KING TILL HE FALLS " PACQUIAO " DUECES
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 08:08:26 PM
Real Talk FINDING MORE HOLES IN HARDKNOCKS COMMENT:  UH HUH..... YEAH I've heard this song and dance before many times . This dude is too big , that dude is too big for a couple years now and what happened to them ......hmmmm . No question mark there because that's a rhetorical quesion . The worst thing Oscar can do is wait to time MP . Cuz while he's doing that MP gonna be eating his AZZ up and putting rds. in the bank . He better fight his fight and don't focus on what MP is doing . We' ll see if he can time his speed . Won't be easy , and if you think MP is gonna come in here swinging all willy-nilly you in for a rude awakening . I can do this till the cows come home . Dueces
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 08:22:37 PM
Real Talk FINDING MORE HOLES IN HARDKNOCKS COMMENT:  Come on Knocks ...where u at ??? Your comment can't hold water . How many GREAT fighters you know out there ...I mean ...you act like they grow on trees or something LOL . I like the way you try to say name 2 more besides El Terrible and The Babyface Assasin . Cuz you knew Marquez was gonna get thrown out there if you said 1 . It's becoming a dead issue . People from all ethnicities love to watch Pacman fights because he brings the heat , bottom line , and he aint been fighting bums sooo WHAT ' CHA SAYING !?!?!? I'M having a hard time understanding where u comin from . What's your motivation ??? TALK TO ME MAN !!! HOLLA
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 08:46:49 PM
BIG DAWG:  Real Talk may have a point that this Oscar is not the ODLH who earned his props over years of battle. He is however is a true champion who not only fought everyone in his time (win lose or draw) but clearly did so without ever taking much of a beating. Certainly nothing os significance that has impacted his intelligence, class and business acumen. He earned the name Golden Boy and his company carries the name proudly. This fight is definitely about money; the game is about the prize. But say what you will, he is the bigger fighter; his skills intact and besides B-Hop at a catch weight has never truly been hurt. He will finish this fight with a smile, live with the decision and sign Manny to Golden Boy. The fight he should fight is Mayweather. If PBF wants a place in history, let him give ODLH his last fight. Otherwise, he is the imposter.
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 10:27:34 PM
Real Talk:  He should fight Margorito and give him a shot at the top Mexican fighter spot like Chavez did for him . But he won't and that's why he lost one . Props to Shane Mosley .... a true fighter . Peace
Thursday Nov 20, 2008 11:59:55 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks trying to understand the so called logic of Real Talk:  I'm back RealTalk, now I keep bringing up Morales and Barrera because those 2 guys are the only fighters of Manny's resume that were great fighters at one time. But by the time Manny beat those guys they were just a shell of themselves, now that's the reason that I brought up Raheem, I didn't bring up Raheem saying he was a great fighter but to let you see that Morales over the hill. However, an old Morales still beat Pacquiao with ease in there first fight, Do you remember that RealTalk? So if an old Morales can use a jab and beat Manny then why can't a bigger and stronger version of the guy not do the same. Why is this confusing to you. Why can't you see that Manny has gotten KO'd and once you get KO'd it will happen again. He doesn't take a punch good at all. You told on yourself and said that Campbell would be a bad matchup for Manny..lol So by saying that you know that Campbell will beat him so how can you say what you say and know they are protecting Manny? Once again, Manny Pacquiao one of the most over rated fighters in the history of boxing!! It's on the sight that you went to that day. You like that sight don't you. That's my sight...lol
Friday Nov 21, 2008 01:49:46 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks trying to understand the so called logic of Real Talk:  Manny is a little better then his no heart having brother Bobby...Bobby Pacquiao is a complete BUM, Like I said I tip my hat to Top Rank for not putting the so called p4p guy into fights where he would be exposed.. If you are the p4p king then why would you be protected? Because you are not...Oscar fought Quartey, Mosley and Trinidad when they were at there best, now tell me who has Manny fought on that level when they were at there best? Answer: NO ONE!!!
Friday Nov 21, 2008 02:02:12 AM
Real Talk:  Spare me Knocks..... Manny can't take a punch is ridiculous !!! You know that aint true , and to answer that question in both your comments Jaun Manuel (Dinamita ) Marquez !!! He ate a lot of shots in those fights and spit out the seeds . You 're probably the only guy who says Manny can't take a punch , which is the last thing to go on a fighter so even if the two greats he fought were Waaaay over the hill like you said they still could punch. Styles make fights so to me Nate Campbell's style would pose a problem for Pac . That goes for any fighter , there's always a guy who's style would give him problems . That doesn't take anything away from the fighter , but it is what it is . Now about Pacman being KO'd years ago in another country when he was fighting for food or cigarettes or chicken scratch ...whatever . My sources say he came in those fights de-hydrated to the point he was sick and had the runs . Trying to make a weight his body had grown out of . Sorta like your boy Oscar . If his chin was suspect the world would know it by now as he's been on the biggest stage many times now , and I aint heard it brought because it don't hold water . Ko'd huh ?? What about your bou Oscar FAKING THE BERNARD BODY SHOT THAT JUST GRAZED HIM AND NOT EVEN ON THE LIVER !!!! Whe know what happen in that one LOLOLOL ...He's a quitter . I'm going to pick up my Bambina's . Peace
Friday Nov 21, 2008 10:50:56 AM
Solo:  Real Talk, regarding Manny's losses, one of the losses came when he couldn't make weight, was very sick and drained. He was forced to wear heavier gloves than his opponent in order to make the fight happen.
Friday Nov 21, 2008 11:08:53 AM
SchoolOfHardKnocks :  RealTalk, I will spare you with all details about Manny..it's funny that I brought up Bobby Pacquiao as well. So you do recognize him as being a bum right..lol He tried to ride on the coat tail of Manny simply because Manny had a winning record but he failed big time just like Bautista did huh! lol You guys are killing me...NO Manny can not take a punch and you will see Dec. 6th. A KO is a KO. Soon as Oscar hits him with just 1 shot you will see a change in the fight. Lets continue to make excuses for Manny, it won't work. That's just like Roy saying he would have beaten JC if he had a better cutman..GET REAL! You guys are killin me. Im not a fan of Oscar and I do think he quit in that fight against Hopkins. But he is not fighting against Hopkins, he's fighting an over rated Midget. You don't get it REALTALK, Top and HBO is trying to milk the Manny situation as long as people like you continue to believe the hype. If you say Barrera and Morales could still punch then why didn't they KO guy like Rocky Juarez,Robbie Peden,Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez., Even light punching Mayweather stopped Chavez, come on man get real..He took a beating against Mayweather..Morales was so great that he has lost 5 of his last 6 fights. WOW! Lets find another filipino fighter and have him fight Morales right now and say how great of a fighter he is for beating Morales. REALTALK YOU ARE NOT GIVING ME ANY REAL TALK...LOL
Friday Nov 21, 2008 02:44:18 PM
iceberg slim:  LOL what happened hard knocks, a filipina broke your heart? Why are you hatting on pacman so much? From what i have read no one is saying that pacman is the best, but he has lots of heart and is great for the sport because when he fights he makes an effort to give an exciting fight. If you disagree, then a filipina messed you up or somthing LOL. In all seriousness hard knocks you cannot say that pacman is not good for boxing and he doesnt put on better fights then half these snooozers that we see nowadays.
Friday Nov 21, 2008 06:28:57 PM
#1 Pacfan P4P Legeng:  All the wasted words worn out fingers from typing, ya'll aint getting anywhere in this debate. Been there done that with the Pachaters, ALL I KNOW IS THAT PACMAN WILL WIN IN A SPLIT DECISION COME DEC. 6. THEN COMES PAC VS CHICKENWEATHER AT 140LBS DUBBED "FIGHT OF THE CENTURY."
Friday Nov 21, 2008 10:54:45 PM
SchoolOfHardKnocks :  LOL...Icebergslim...lol no nothing like that, I love filipino women. I'm cool with that. I didn't say that Manny wasn't good for boxing. He is definitely great for boxing. All I'm saying is that he's nowhere near the p4p king, that's all. If you read most of these comments these guys are making it seem as though this guy is super human...lol Delahoya is going to have some krytonite is his hands on Dec. 6th though. But you have to admit Bobby Pacquiao is a bum...lol REALTALK where you at!!
Friday Nov 21, 2008 11:32:59 PM
Real Talk:  they wouldn't let me put my response here so I put it on the Hatton/ Paulie prediction page . check it out .
Saturday Nov 22, 2008 01:50:49 AM
Ramonito to real talk:  Real talk you are a BS,dont know about boxing the only way that Oscar lose is because he is weak because he lost a lot of weigh, Mannys punches wont hurt Oscar he will not look like when he fough David diaz, no f...ing way , so get out of this website and go to filipino one the funny thing is that i am filipino and people like you are making us look like fools na way Manny will beat Oscar come on people.
Saturday Nov 22, 2008 09:51:47 AM
Real Talk:  Ramonito , next time say excuse me when you see grown folks talking ... smell me . I aint philippino I'm Black , Indian , and Rican . Unlike most clowns like you in here . I practice what I preach sonny . I box and study the game , so stfu and stay in your lane . I'm going to give you a homework assignment son . Go to youtube and look at Oscar vs Shane 1 . He jumped 2 weight classes and beat Oscar in his prime . Can you say blue print . You not on my level , but aint to many like me left . Dueces
Saturday Nov 22, 2008 05:33:53 PM
Dave:  SchoolOfHardKnocks---ANSWER THIS! Why is it that when an up and comer fighter beats a living legend it's always because the legend has past his prime..Is it so hard to just say dam he got his ass beat and lets just move on to a different era. I believe if people would do that more often boxing would be alive again don't u think??????? It's people like you...sorry if I'm being to forward, but it's people like you that kills boxing. To sprung of the boxer to let it go........ Always an excuse of a defeat... Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe most of the.. all time greats has beaten an old lion/tiger to somewhat set up their own legacy right. So why is it so hard to give pac his dues.....Imma diehard pacfan but don't get me wrong though... when its time for a young lion to take his spot it aint because he's past his prime its a beacuse a new era is rising. If all of us as boxing fan would accept that.. instead of degrading the the up an comer and just let your boxer nuts go then boxing would be back to the old days where all the fighter gets the respect they deserve.....Just my opinion!!!!!!
Sunday Nov 23, 2008 01:55:13 AM
floyd jones d greatest:  my prediction for this fight is that freddie roach will win big time..lol.he is in this for the money believe me.remember when he deserted unskilled manny when odlh fought one of boxing's greats,pbf.he deserted unskilled pacman when he was about to fight a vital fight with jmm.manny wouldn't take this fight but because of the money roach has to convince him otherwise.odlh will win
Sunday Nov 23, 2008 09:53:31 PM

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