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Wednesday Sep 17, 2008

It looks like judges still aren't too keen on JMM's style. So, he smartly rendered them irrelevant.

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The Last Word On: Marquez/Casamayor

By Ron Borges

LAS VEGAS – Juan Manuel Marquez’s four-year war with Manny Pacquiao continued Saturday night and the latest collateral damage was felt intensely by Joel Casamayor.

      The RING Magazine and linear lightweight champion had spent most of his career in grueling hand-to-hand combat himself, having faced down the heaviest handed punchers in the junior lightweight and lightweight divisions without often taking a backward step. That all changed Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena when Marquez overwhelmed the 37-year-old champion, negating his right hook and ultimately devastating him with two crushing right hands of his own that twice sent Casamayor to the floor before referee Tony Weeks stopped the bout at 2:55 of the 11th round.

      By then Marquez had done what no other 130 or 135 pound fighter had often succeeded in doing. He had the crafty Cuban in almost constant retreat after the opening rounds, content most often to circle and sit on his back foot searching for openings Marquez refused to give him once he figured out how to avoid Casamayor’s straight left hand and a sweeping right hook Casamayor’s trainer, Nacho Beristain, had claimed was the only punch he was particularly concerned with.

      Marquez had challenged Casamayor as the next step in his ongoing pursuit of Pacquiao. They have fought evenly twice in the past four years, their bouts ending in a draw and a controversial split decision for Pacquiao in March that still eats at Marquez. Much to his surprise, he was headed to another potentially suspect decision when he suddenly exploded a textbook perfect right hand off the chin of Casamayor and sent him tumbling to the floor with his body twisted in an odd shape and a stunned look on his face.

      Casamayor got up but he was clearly without all his faculties. He held his hands high when asked if he could continue but the blank look on his face and his wobbly legs were the truth squad. Marquez sensed it immediately and moved forward with the look of a cold-blooded assassin on his face. Soon after, Casamayor was on the floor again with no reason to continue but his own fierce pride, the pride of a man who had never been stopped until he ran into Marquez.

      Later Casamayor would claim he was off-balance rather than hurt but the fact is he was off-balance because he was hurt. And badly so, even before that late juncture.

      Early in the fight Marquez (49-4-1, 36 KO) had been patiently studying Casamayor, judging his hand speed and what the launching pad was for that dangerous right and straight left. He paid for his education as Casamayor drilled him with the hook and a series of straight lefts that helped him take command of the early rounds.

      But by the fight’s midpoint, Marquez had figured out how to negate the hook and slip the straight left and was either countering with his own right hand or beating Casamayor (36-4-1, 22 KO) to the punch on the inside. As time wore on and Marquez kept up the pace he seemed to wear down the older champion, slicing open a large gash in his right eye lid and bloodying his nose so completely it appeared to begin to affect his breathing.

      As Marquez began to land the heavier blows and more consistently win the exchanges, Casamayor began to retreat, edging back warily and circling like a wise hunter looking to set a trap for a force he could not quite control on his own.

      But Marquez is one of the most proficiently sound technicians in the sport, a fighter who follows closely the instruction of his trainer and creator, Nacho Beristain. Together they had devised a way to take the straight left hand away from Casamayor, the same straight left that had floored Marquez four times in the two Pacquiao fights, while also negating his right hook and creating opportunities both to counter punch him and land his own slamming rights.

      “I figures this would be a tough fight to the end but I was the more intelligent fighter,’’ Marquez insisted. “I knew how to neutralize his left hand and I threw a lot of combinations because I knew I couldn’t win with just one punch at a time.’’

      “Combinations, combinations!’’ was what Beristain was hollering at Marquez between nearly every round, even after ones in which he had seemed to dominate the champion by throwing them. Yet at the time of the stoppage two of the three judges had the fight even and the third had Marquez leading 97-93, a score that seemed  more in keeping with what was going on inside the ring.

      Marquez admitted during the week that one of the reasons he has lately changed from a counter puncher content to follow where others lead into a more aggressive fighter was in reaction to Nevada judges who seem unable to understand how he goes about his work inside the ring. Saturday night they didn’t seem to get it yet but Juan Manuel Marquez took it out of their hands by using his own to break down and finally knock down an opponent who had never been stopped in a 15-year professional career.

      In the end, Juan Manuel Marquez seemed to say that Manny Pacquiao can go off in pursuit of Oscar De La Hoya if he wants, as he plans to do Dec. 6, but when he’s done he’ll be waiting for him.

      In the semi-main event, Vernon Forrest delivered on a promise to turn back the clock and remind the boxing world which was dismissing him as a shot fighter who he was.

      “Now you see the difference between a contender and a real champion,’’ Forrest (41-3, 29 KO) said after using his jab and a straight right hand behind it to pound out a lopsided victory over former “Contender’’ series 1 reality TV star Sergio Mora.

      Mora had surprised the boxing world three months ago when as a 6-1 underdog he won a majority decision and the WBC super welterweight title from an overconfident and over trained Forrest.

      Forrest had spent three months in training because of postponements and rather than hone his skills it dulled them and left him six pounds over the 154-pound weight limit the day of the weigh-in. Although he got down he was drained and fought like it, winning the first three rounds easily and then seeming to hit a wall – and seldom Mora – after that.

      This time was different. It was the 28-year-old champion who mysteriously came in two pounds over the weight while Forrest was both fit and sharp. He made that clear from the outset, never letting Mora into the fight by controlling the distance with a sharp jab that was an offensive weapon not merely a range finder and consistent combinations that left Mora bleeding and bewildered.

      “My better was better than his better,’’ Forrest said. “I had a bad night in the first fight but you’ll didn’t want to believe it. Tonight it was Boxing 101 -  jab, jab, jab.’’

      It was a bit more than that. Forrest never gave Mora room to breath or a distance to punch effectively. He smothered him on the inside, beat him with solid body shots and stuck him with the jab all night long.

      For much of the second half of the fight Mora seemed crest-fallen. Normally cocky to the point of unwarranted arrogance, Mora’s body language was bad and he often seemed distracted in the corner when his handlers tried to instruct him. He had admitted before the fight that being in the position he now found himself in – being the hunted rather than the hunter – was “stressful.’’

      “What is it they say, ‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’?’’ Mora said. “I’m in a different position and that’s what produces the stress.’’

      That and Vernon Forrest, who put Mora back into the position of being once again viewed as a creation of a reality television show rather than a legitimate world-class fighter. That might be unfair but no more so than the leg up on other young fighters like himself that the TV series afforded Mora.

      “My legs weren’t there and my weight didn’t come off the way it usually does,’’ Mora (21-1-1, 5 KO) said after absorbing the worst beating of his boxing career. “I only had six weeks to train and I usually have 10. It was a short camp and I worked too hard. This guy is old. I should have won.’’

      Vernon Forrest may be old but Sergio Mora could have had a 10-month camp and he wasn’t going to beat him Saturday night because this time the real Vernon Forrest was standing in front of him and this time punching back.

      As for Joel Casamayor, he was old too but that had nothing to do what happened to him either. Juan Manuel Marquez was what happened to him.

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Sodamn Insane:  Impressive every one knows that both Marquez and Armando Santa Cruz destroyed the over rated Cassamayor. The question is why can't Marquez dominate Pacman ?
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 11:56:45 AM
Retech:  All the years JMM has always been in the shadows of his countrymen which happen to have fought with Pacman and lost. Since they decided to hang thier respective gloves. It is the time of JMM to really proved that he is the best fighter among his countryman who fought Pacman without fighting them except (Barrera). But having 24 rounds with the Pacman still he cant proved. Tasted the canvas 4 times but a close fight which either he can win. I love to see a third fight but it needs JMM to wait and be ready, for this would be his last chance for honor and glory.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 12:11:57 PM
marquezfan:  marquez sucks. hlooked good because the fighter he was fighting was already washed up and old.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 12:54:56 PM
Rob:  Casamayor is 37. His punches were actuallly landing on JMM but didnt have enough meat in it to do damage. So I don't agree with this author that his age had nothing to do with Casamayors downfall. He went outside the ring in the Katsidis fight and Katsidis wasnt a smart fighter anyway. He can punch but his face is always a mess in every fight that he's in. Armando Santa Cruz beat this old casa the last time so I dont know what the big deal is with JMM beating this old timer. THE REAL CHAMP IS NATE CAMPBELL. Not JMM and not Pacquiao. This dude is for real and commands the respect of everyone in this division. Shaeffer keeps saying Pacquiao afraid of JMM. Well now have him setup a fight with Nate. Once he defeats Nate. He will be undisputed Champ. For now, all he's done is beat a washe up fighter.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 01:50:05 PM
Over The Hill:  Boring fight except for the last round. Why is it that a 37 yr old Casamayor is suddenly considered an elite fighter. Why was it that a 29 yr old Morales considered over the hill. Why was it a 29 yr old Barrera also considered over the hill. Why was it a 31 yr old Barrera suddenly rejuvenated to elite. Why was it a 33 yr old Barrera was again considered over the hill. Hmmmm.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 02:15:18 PM
OneTonMan:  Marquez turned down to fight Pacquiao at $750K right after the first fight and consequently fought Chris John for $35K. Yeam Pacquiao tried their best to make Marquez accept the fight but he declined. This is a clear sign of backing down to a fight, because Marqruez reasoned out that the $750K was not enough to fight Pacquiao again but traveled to Indonesia for a measly $35K-fight. . In the rematch 4 years later (last year), Pacquiao looked very dehydrated and hardly made the 130-lb limit. Marquez' face was rearranged in both fights, and was put on the seat of his pants 4 times. Now people say Pacquiao is avoiding Marquez????? Well, the third meeting we might see Marquez flattened out like a beach towel drying in the sun.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 02:38:49 PM
donputo69:  the last word?....the last word is this....the canvas-kisser is overrated...and casamayor's real age is 42...not 47...i just found that out yesterday...anyway...next fight for the canvas-kisser?...the baby bull juan diaz....holla back....
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 03:06:31 PM
Anony:  ::::: AGAIN, WHERE IS THE PROVE ON CASAMAYOR AGE???. It is not the same to say it but prove it. Send a link to a webpage, send a scan of his birth certificate, send a video with his mother mentioning his birth date or a friend admitting to this.... in the meantime I will respect this journalist article which claims Casamayor is 37. It is that difficult?
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 03:42:31 PM
Javier:  jajajajaHey don puto Casamayor is 37 JMM 36, dont lie man
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 04:08:27 PM
boxingfan:  When Pac beat Morales and Barrera (ages 29 or 30 so) they were branded "shot", "old", and "washed up". So now they said Pac beat shot, old and washed up warriors. Now that JMM beat casa (labeled the best LW @ age 37) which we all know casa is no more, JMM is the best LW. Very disrespectful of team JMM to Nate Campbell who holds 3 titles. Everyone is saying nobody has done to casa what marquez has done. OF course casa's old. If Pac were fighting casa I believe it won't even last 7 rds. Well, let me ask you this. Has JMM floored Barrera even once when they fought? Pac Did! Would JMM floored EM had they squared off? Pac Did! Have JMM floored Pacquiao on their last 2 fights. The answer "NO". Pacquiao floored all these 3 greats when they fought, and NO OTHER FIGHTERS have ever floored the 3 mexican greats but only Pacquiao did. Come on, Give Pacquiao a respect. After all, without Pacquiao on the mix, BOXING WILL BE BORING AND DEAD!
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 05:33:43 PM
liveweight:  why cant marquez dominate pacman? why? did pacman ever dominated marquez? ive seen marquez dominate a round decisively, while pacquiao floored marquez, yes its good its spectacular, but its a match burning compare to a burning house, I say look at the great picture, or the overall picture, neither man really dominated each other in 12 full rounds, it was close, so for those who are freaking dilusional about pacman beating marquez like he did to barrera and morales, watch the fight again... yah he did knock marquez 4 times, but he never beat him... can pacman ever stop marquez? or can pacman still floor marquez? I doubt it... marquez has tasted evrything pacquiao has to offer, marquez still has some surprises left in him...
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 05:45:36 PM
Salt lover:  Last word on Casamayor, but NOT on Juan Manuel. It's really unbelievable how some TSS writers were talking and writing crap about Casamayor beating Marquez, and when Marquez wins, they rely on their excuses to keep attacking Juan Manuel after he made them look BAD. They simply can't MAN UP and admit who was the better man. Juan Manuel Marquez is the MAN in the 135lbs and he is in the CORRECT division, unlike some P4P who ridiculously jumps 2 divisions to fight just for $$$$$$$$$$. Like it or hate it, Juan Manuel is STILL here and on great spot, a LEGITMATE one......Radam, how do you say LEGITIMATE in tagalog?.......and I wouldn't be surprised if the two writers called "marquezfan" and "Over The Hill" are the same LOSER who can't deal with Marquez's Victory. Again I tell you: MAN UP and accept the defeat. Peace.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 06:05:30 PM
vaf:  boxing is good specially if there is a trilogy of jmm AND PAcman, bvecause all we know is that JMM is running through pacman just to have a third fight.. right so if mrqz is a warrior he will fight also to bigger guys so that he(marquez) has also a purse,, boxing is money,, think of it...
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 06:20:34 PM
Heavyweight:  Marquez is always a blabber mouth. No one will respect this kind of boxer just like mayweather. He is dreaming of being the #1 pound for pound by winning against an old fighter. Marquez should wake up.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 06:26:12 PM
Fistic Fury:  I agree that judge's are obsessed with aggression and don't appreciate quality counter punching. @ over the hill, your comment/question is easily explained. Some athletes just age quicker than others, it's quite a random occurrence. If your lucky you can go on into your forties(Bernard) still at a world class level, not so lucky and you can fade relatively young (Hatton). Having said all that, living THE LIFE is also a large part of it as shown by my two examples. better conditioning = longer career.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 06:26:16 PM
superbabe2000:  JMM, if you want to prove that you are indeed the BETTER more SUPERIOR boxer compared to Manny - then pls knock him out like you did Casamayor. The thing is, we are all tired of you saying that you beat Pacman twice. You did not, according to the people who had the MOST say in your two fights - and they are not the HBO peeps nor the fightfans-they are the judges! you want to prove that you are the king at lightweight , then pls WIN CONVI NCINGLY over the Pacman. That is if he gives you a third fight.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 06:57:51 PM
Over The Hill:  Fistic Fury, what I was trying to say, and I think you know what I was trying to say is that Pacman makes everyone he fights look like their over the hill. We're so used to seeing him destroy everyone he fights and because he didn't destroy Marquez people thinks he should have lost that one. Kudos to Marquez that he was able to survive the knockdowns on both fights because if it was someone else there's a good chance both would have been KO wins for Pacman. Having said that, Marquez has never hurt Pacman the way he was hurt and most of the other rounds were so close they could go either way. So give Pacman his due and let's move on and see if there's a third fight.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:10:21 PM
romel:  Both pacquiao and marquez are aging until they meet again, still marquez has more years ahead on the aging run, so how could he beat paquiao in the anticipated third fight when he was not able to do it when he was still younger than the coming third fight?
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:23:06 PM
boxingfan:  You're right liveweight. Neither man dominates the other. But a win is a win and JMM has to accept it. If they will fight again, same result. It's going to be a close one. The difference between EM/MAB and JMM is that EM and MAB duked it all out with PAC and that's why they got dominated. JMM is smart and a good counter puncher that's why PAC cannot dominate him. but have you noticed that if JMM is duking it with PAC he kisses the canvass. That's the difference. I love boxing and respect all the fighters no matter what race they are. And I love pure action of it. A win is a win whether by UD or SD or by a point. And fighters must accept defeat.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:36:42 PM
albert:  hey,, people of the world. Even marquez has still his own hidden talents for paquiao, what do you think?? pacman does not have??? please analize first what you are writing here,, wether we are pac or mar fan, how about if pacmar 3 will happen and pacman again won by 1 point, im sure marquez again want another isnt it? thanks for cassamayor by losing to marquez, because if cassamayor was the one who won.. marquez is no more in boxing. no more opponent. and now because he won ovwr an old man, he is making this reason to face manny hahahahahahahahahah... shame on my face.. Itleast if I were marquez, il fight another one, not an old man. the accomplishment of pacman is so high, its just like number ten. and yet marquez is just only number 3... so what do you think marquez, do you think pac will face you later? I dont think so. Maybe you can beg firht to valero. and hundred percent he will say yes.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:39:37 PM
jo:  Marquez win over Casamayor does not prove anything because Casamayor is orld and washed-up. If Marquez wants a rematch with Pacquiao for the 3rd time, he has to prove himself worthy by figthing Nate Campbell or David Diaz . To keep questioning the outcome of his fight with Pacquiao is an exercise in futility because judges had already declared he was a loser.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:43:27 PM
pinoy:  no doubt marquez is not just 1 of the best counter puncher in the leauge, he is the only one. But when he me pacman in the future, i still put my bet to pacquiao.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:46:06 PM
OneTonMan:  Armando Santa Cruz, Roy Jones Jr., and many others who have been CLEARLY ROBBED of a win have moved on with their lives and never lost sleep over it. I have a feeling that at my retirement age, Marquez will still be whining about being ROBBED of two very close fights with Pacquiao. It's not that Pacquiao was overwhelmingly overpowered and manhandled by Marquez, but that Marquez SURVIVED some very telling knockdowns that he thought he should have won. C'mon, it could have gone either way, and there's no sure thing about it. There was no obvious robbery involved where broadcasters were aghast over the decision! For pete's sake, can people stop crying and whining?
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:46:15 PM
Manny Pacquiao:  ok, Marquez is a counter puncher fighter. hes got lucky when he landed the chip straight to face of casa and that was a counter punch again.., hehe, why dont u take a look at it again, damn..we called it a lucky punch, then of course, he took advantage from that knockout, the second knock out was also a lucky counter punch.. hehehe..damn Marquez, clear first all the lightweight and we will fight again..hehe..poor cry baby marquez. yuckkkkk..eww, for our third fight, i will make sure,you will not last for for 2 round, i will brick your head into pieces..so that no more cry baby in boxing..LOL
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 07:56:17 PM
Rico of Proj 8, qc..:  Casamayor wouldnt be knockout if werent for the forehand of marquez that hit the side of joels head...that really blew his brain out....Joels a little too confident and just underestimated the man...
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:15:49 PM
donputo69:  hey salty cracker....you an idiot...all of a sudden you are hating the p4p king pacman for jumping 2 weight class and make some $$$$$$?...if i can remember, didnt scareweather was doing the same thing and nobody was saying anything about that?...OOOHHHHH...i see...only scareweather could do that.....not pacquiao....ya some funny dudes...listen u jmm A.K.A canvas-kisser fans....HE WILL NEVER BEAT PACQUIAO....comprende?...if i was pacquiao my self, i wouldnt even waste my time with that cry baby...so dont get your self twisted salty cracker...MAN UP and accept the canvas-kisser defeat in the hands of pacquiao...holla back!!!!
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:26:34 PM
Quedancor:  Pacman will beat marquez again and again. period! casamayor really look very old in their fight. very telegraphic punches. no pops. casamayor used beards to scare marquez bcoz his punches cannot.. i prefer pacman vs. marquez III @ 140. morales d ref, barrera, arum, & odlh judges. hehehe
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:27:06 PM
Viel Mervic:  wooh! finally some of the other readers here are right on the bank about that age issue! when manny defeated morales and barrera, people said he beat up washed up fighters, but when marquez defeated the "real" washed up casamayor, people are saying he's still an elite fighter? what the f is that?! i tell you right now, marquez is really a technical fighter, but the way writers are putting him atop is absurd. he didn't actually dominated casamayor, and that's a 37-yr old! 2 scorecards read the fight a draw, while the other for marquez over casamayor. if it gone tot eh decision, marquez would've been lucky to earn a split decision or better yet a majority win. geez, people of the world. plus, where's the controversy in the 2nd fight? the knockdown a controversy? oh please, if marquez keeps telling the whole world that the knockdown is the controversy then maybe he can strengthen up his chin a little so that he won't kiss the canvas when fighting pacquiao. the whole golden boy team of marquez (Schaefer, Beristain and especially Jaime Quintana) are sour-graping piece of s****. when the 3rd fight happens, all of us Pacfans are going to silence all the doubters out there.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:39:51 PM
Anonymous user:  No Borges, Pacquiao's win eats not just at Marquez but Pacquiao haters like you.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:42:47 PM
oki oki:  Marquaez is a great warrior,,, having fought 12 rds. w the pacman is a spactacular one.... so if JMM wants a 3rd fight he must also jump to welterweight to fight pacman...i cant wait to see JMM kiss the canvass again and probobly thats his final fight ,,, as a old warrior marquez can hang up his gloves after a bitter and painful defeat.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:46:34 PM
PacMan:  Accept the close decision, think about it that marquez did not clearly won the with Barrera if the referee consider that KO's Barrera clearly won, Why marquez didot accept that pacquiao won that fight think about that man.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 08:49:36 PM
Salt lover:  Yeah, it's true. Floyd also did that, and I know he avoided Cotto, Margarito, and all the other Welterweights. Yeah, I agree on that, although he didn't jumped two weightclasses, and he wasn't a 108lbs fighter when he begun. He begun at 130, just like DLH and their fight wasn't SO mismatched and RIDICULOUS like Pacquiao's. Floyd lost my respect also for that.........and about Marquez well, it's better to have your fighter lose a SD, which ALL the experts saw him winning, than lose by TKO at the hands of Margarito, where there's NO DOUBT yours LOST!! Besides, it's not about kissing canvas, is getting UP and finish STRONG which he has done ALWAYS. Hahahahahaha and you would LOVE to say the same thing about Cotto A.K.A. "QUITTER"
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 09:52:48 PM
Angelito:  Hi all,i sell car wheels back home in the Philipinas, and i sold 24 inch wheels to your love Paquiao and he never pay me he is a pieace of s..... , I want DLH to kick his a... so bad, and he will easily.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 09:57:09 PM
Salt lover:  And by the way don: WHEN did I mentioned YOUR name? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the first comment I mentioned some writers and you quickly jumped off and stroke back HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I just threw a comment on the air and you couldn't resist to catch it!! Probably those two names "Over The Hill" and "marquezfan" have something to do with you HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't respect Marquez if you don't want to, BIG DEAL if you don't, but the man is back on track and a LEGITIMATE one, and everybody knws this, even donput...I mean Over The Hill and donpu...Oh! I mean marquezfan HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 10:02:51 PM
Batang Pinoy:  why cant marquez dominate pacman? why? did pacman ever dominated marquez? I've seen why JMM is still continue moving backward all night because he is affraid to be KOed. as simple as that... Pacman cannot dominate a fighter that keep on moving backward all night baby. because this guy does'nt have any guts to pit TOE-TO-TOE, and a real warrior fights TOE-TO-TOE. and JMM is not a warrior, he is just a GAY who is just looking for an opportunity to steal wins. And this author keep on saying that JMM beats the best LW Champ! Shame on you mr Author. Casamayor did not win against Santa Cruz because they robbed Santa Cruz when they fight. Santa Cruz was beaten by David Diaz by KO! Yes KO in rnd 10. now David Diaz was KOed by Pacman in Rnd 9, NUTS. So who is this Casa anyway a great????? I dont think so. But the reality is the best out there was PACMAN the one who beat the CHAMP David Diaz who Beats Santa Cruz that beats this asshole LW Cuban great in the person of Casamayor and this great was past his prime. but I say they are both (JMM & Casa) already past their prime that cannot pit with Pacman anymore. they are the fastest fighter among the slowest moving fighter ever alive in LW division.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 10:22:12 PM
aldy:  A tit for tat in the 11th round and Casa was floored. Did Marquez really see that KO coming? Was it really part of a big plan? But he has done it, good for him, his camp and his fans. And so, knocking out an opponent should now be the main thing for Marquez in order to get the job done. If he can do that again in his next fight, much better with Diaz and with Campbell then that is really words put into action. Fighting again with Pacquiao is a moot point. You had your chance.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 10:45:07 PM
Niwde77:  Marquez could never be a great mexican warrior. A great one would accept defeat and rebound to even greater glory, he didnt.
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 11:20:42 PM
lordofthering:  If and if Pacquiao-Marquez will happen, My main man Pacquiao will still beat Marquez. It may come down to a close decision again. But the results will still be the same, Pacman emerging victrious!!! And if Pacquiao will devastate JMM in their third meeting, I will bet my right hand and my left nut that these Beyaatches will say that JMM is already over the hill,..any comments JMM asskissers???
Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 11:25:24 PM
Yes Yo!:  Pacman can fight JMM 10x and beat him 10x and JMM would still say that he won! If Pacman knocks JMM out cold, JMM would still find an excuse and he will never ACCEPT defeat! That's the kind of man he is... totally without class! Sore loser!
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 12:07:36 AM
kurukud:  since people keep on comparing marquez's win over casa with pac"s demolition on ddiaz, why not an immediate match - marquez and ddiaz and lets see how marquez fare with diaz.i doubt he can duplicate that superb performance pac did on the night he fought diaz.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 01:33:41 AM
Leon:  Buenos Dias Everyone! No argument Marquez is a tactician guy in boxing, even here in Pinas, he's a heavy favorite against Casamajor. anyone who understand the sport can say that Marquez is the only hombre that can give Packy a hell of a fight. the problem with JMM is he lacks agressiveness to attack first that is why he looks boring and fans dont like that. anyway congrats to Juan Manuel. Buenos swertes to the next fight.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 02:40:36 AM
ayus ka lang:  Marquez is good boxer but he can never defeat Paquiao. surely pacman will hit him in those twelve rounds of action. He is just got lucky the time is on his side. just give pacman 10 seconds left on that round and marquez will be going home cyring with his mouth zip.........................
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 04:11:26 AM
rudy:  Angelito that's jacked up man, I hope DLH exacts revenge for you on Pac .
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 06:42:59 AM
fight addict:  marquez and his fans are the worst losers in the history of the sport. a true champion accepts defeat gracefully and move on. marquez is a boring fighter that is making his name of pacquiao's career. marquez was mexico's last hope and he failed. marquez will never be on pacs level. in career or excitement and adulation. the only reason he's conidered an elite fighter is because of his performances against pac and he stil got knocked. i hope they fight again soon so pac will not leave any doubts this time. and juanita can cry her eyes back to mexico.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 06:48:59 AM
Radam G:  Dude is lost. Casamayor is old as da dirt. Holla!
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 07:43:14 AM
Radam G:  Who is CasaMayor? A Jamaican-born Cuban. What is his birth name? I know! Just read the U.S. Natiional Intelligence Archives Report on Cuban defecting boxer. This dude is aged. Holla!
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 07:47:31 AM
augie:  hi all boxing fan, to JMM to do the same thing as pacman did, jump to 147lbs. and fight pueto rican miguel coto, or even non rated fighter in that division. i think nobody will waste thier time to engage a fight with JMM.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 07:51:05 AM
jack'st:  marquez beat a has been. casamayor is really not champion when he fought with marquez. ring magazine belt was given by de la hoya. wake up author. marquez just cant win against the best fighter in the world pacman. although the real lightweight king is campbell. campbell will surely dominate marquez if they'll fight. marquez doesnt stand a chance against diaz too
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 08:22:56 AM
riomarloco:  i thought marquez and the mexican boxing fans are convince that marquez won both fight against pacquiao.why is it then he keeps chasing on pac and wants another rematch?isn't that an irony?normally the fighter who won the fight is the one being chased and vice versa!and why marquez doesn't ask chris john for a rematch?the bottom line is whenever marquez fights pac there's a huge amount of money waiting for him-win or lose!lol
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 10:38:33 AM
Radam G:  Hey, Super Fightwriter Ron B, why come you didn't report that Vernon Forrest called out Juan Manuel Marquez, since Big Money O is fighting "little Manny?" Gosh, you know that the minute I say that, these pseudoexperts and fake want-to-know-it-all haters are going to be all over me. Marquez will never fight The Viper. He doesn't have the _________ .(Fill in the blank.) He rather whin about his canvas-kissing performance against the greatest southpaw in the history of game. Holla!
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 10:49:24 AM
Fistic Fury:  @ Radam, at first I didn't notice it but now I know what you are, a WIND-UP MERCHANT.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 11:02:59 AM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  Attention to all my PACFANATICS!!! You're all arguing with PBF fans who can't stand the fact that Pacman is in the limelike. Don't hate congratulate.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 01:16:07 PM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  This is my last word: "I miss the old days of boxing, I miss the old school boxers, and I miss the passion that was once there in boxing. It used to be 16 grueling rounds with non stop action because if you didn't bring it they brought it to you. Boxing then was so violent that every single fight you used to watch was mostly by stoppage. Boxers then used to average atleast a hundred fights(not including amateur) before retiring their pro career. Boxers then used to jump weight classes like if they were in school to go the next period. Boxers then used to fight for 6 digit purses if they were lucky." Todays boxers are lucky they are not fighting 16 rounds, earning ten to twenty times much more, not faced with the more dangerous fighters, averaging to only 30-50 fights per fighter, and have lost the hunger and passion for the sport. Yes the Pacman falls to one of those listed above.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 01:41:32 PM
Salt lover:  It's not that he doesn't have the B@lls. Is that he understands what a LEGITIMATE fight is: Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell and all the other top-notch Lightweights, instead of jumping weightclasses and fightin' bigger men, like an IDIOT your boy is doing.............................................And to #1 Pacfan "Clown" 4 Pound Legend, I ain't a Mayweather fan anymore. Nobody here's talking about Floyd. And about losing passion and hunger for the sport for money-making, THAT'S where your Pacquiao's #1.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 04:03:03 PM
jerwyn:  [quote]By then Marquez had done what no other 130 or 135 pound fighter had often succeeded in doing. He had the crafty Cuban in almost constant retreat after the opening rounds, content most often to circle and sit on his back foot searching for openings Marquez refused to give him once he figured out how to avoid Casamayor’s straight left hand and a sweeping right hook Casamayor’s trainer, Nacho Beristain, had claimed was the only punch he was particularly concerned with.[/quote] When the hell ever did Nacho Beristain become Casa's trainer?!! Be extra careful next time.
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 09:48:51 PM
in touch:  marquez is a great fighter no matter what anyone says. no matter how old casamayor is. marquez vs. juan diaz. or nate cambell. light it up!
Thursday Sep 18, 2008 11:01:49 PM
panchoV:  marquez is just bitter..he keep on chasing pacman.. he cant accept the fact that he was beaten twice.. either it was a KO or a SD.. still pacman won.. just stop talking and just move on.. if someday they will fight again so thats the time to prove that he is better than pacman.. but for now.. he who has the belt is the best p4p.. and for those who is saying that its all about the money.. come on guys.. lets be practical here..a part of boxing will always be for business.. we cant take that away.. even though that its quite a mismatch (pacman vs. DH) and i admit it.. still there is something to watchout for.. its not a one sided match up..its Pacman and ODLH on decmber.. this is going to be an exciting fight!!!
Friday Sep 19, 2008 01:49:46 AM
lil miss daisy:  casamayor is a wash up "has been" elite fighter that juanmama just knocked off.what's the big deal with that? all of the sudden, a 37 years old fighter is an elite boxer just because he fought juanmama? oh come on, i dont wanna take anything from casamayor, he's a great fighter. if juanmama fought him in his prime, he would given him lots of problem.juanmama is not a perfect fighter, he's been floored by the guy whom he called afraid of him. well, if he cannot beat pacman inside the ring. at least he beat him in a word war and he's very good at that.only that, if he's looking for a redemption, he should learn to keep his mouth shut and let his fist do the talking, karma that's what we call it 'coz four years ago he did dodged and deprived the pacman for a rematch 'coz he knows, he's gonna be deck over and over again by the pacman. that's how good the pacman is.
Friday Sep 19, 2008 08:28:55 AM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  My final word: You finally realized what a joke your boy was huh SaltyBoy? Listen up girls Marquez will never beat the PACMAN.
Friday Sep 19, 2008 09:32:49 AM
Salt lover:  No he wasn't a "joke". I still regard Floyd Mayweather Jr an extremely skilled fighter and he can fight, but he didn't fought true Welterweights, that I understand. And about Marquez beating Pacquiao: OH YES HE WILL!!!!!!!!!.....If Pacquiao dares to fight him again.....
Friday Sep 19, 2008 10:23:19 AM
Radam G:  Marquez has been eating too much salt. I guess he loves it. This canvas kisser should fight Chris John. Oh, I musta' fo'got. If dude is going to kiss the canvas, he wants to be paid well. He loves taking butt beating from Pera Pac because that is why the money is. Holla!
Friday Sep 19, 2008 10:41:20 AM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  Sources do say that Pac is eyeing Marquez next thats if the prize is right I guess. He is skilled against decent Welterweights but against true welters. Ok that for sure was my last word.
Friday Sep 19, 2008 11:04:38 AM
Salt lover:  Radam, the one who's eating too much SALT of YOU. Still, this shows how crazy and DESPERATE you get when Marquez succeeds. Can't handle when you see him WINNING, and making you LOSE like you've been doing lately this year HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! But of course, how can anyone defend at the end himself without the oldest bailout in the book: EXCUSES, especially the ridiculous ones changing ages, citizenship and reality. But, no matter what explainatory falacy Radam can come up with, the Truth is Marquez is BACK and on a CORRECT, LEGITIMATE Weightclass, probably already en route to collect three World Titles (Nate Campbell). Not on some stupid venture tryin' to accomplish what he simply CANNOT do. A HUGE KO is waiting him in December. How do you say "KO" in tagalog?
Friday Sep 19, 2008 03:14:47 PM
Salt lover:  "He loves taking butt beating from Pera Pac because that is why the money is. Holla!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess we can say the same thing about Pera-Wacked against De la Hoya huh? Going to take a HUGE KO for $$$$$$$$.
Friday Sep 19, 2008 03:33:53 PM
lil miss daisy:  casamayor is a wash up "has been" elite fighter that juanmama just knocked off.what's the big deal with that? all of the sudden, a 37 years old fighter is an elite boxer just because he fought juanmama? oh come on, i dont wanna take anything from casamayor, he's a great fighter. if juanmama fought him in his prime, he would given him lots of problem.juanmama is not a perfect fighter, he's been floored by the guy whom he called afraid of him. well, if he cannot beat pacman inside the ring. at least he beat him in a word war and he's very good at that.only that, if he's looking for a redemption, he should learn to keep his mouth shut and let his fist do the talking, karma that's what we call it 'coz four years ago he did dodged and deprived the pacman for a rematch 'coz he knows, he's gonna be deck over and over again by the pacman. that's how good the pacman is.
Friday Sep 19, 2008 04:03:44 PM
Satl lover:  lil miss daisy, the reason why credit is due to Juan Manuel is because Joel Casamayor, even when his best days passed, yet he was an elite fighter. It's not that he was a "has been" elite, it was that he WAS an elite 135lbs fighter when he fought Marquez. He was Champion and regarded one of the best Lightweights. I'm no the one saying this, statistics and ranks EVERYWHERE said it. However, if someone's gon' say Casamayor is old, it's ok IF and only IF that person said that BEFORE the fight. Radam, donputo, and many others were talking crap that Casamayor was gon' beat him, this and that before the fight, and when Juan Manuel SHUTS THEIR MOUTHS OFF, they tend to discredit the fighter they were rooting for. WOW!!!! That's EASY!!!!!!!!!!! That's childish, old-school way to bail oneself out.......And about the Pacquiao rematch, Juan Manuel NEVER refused to fight Pacquiao. And why the HELL everybody's keeps mentioning the knockdowns??????? The fights weren't over after the knockdowns, the fight continued in the 1st fight with Marquez gettin' up ALL the time and fought his way to a draw, and in the 2nd fight he got up and fought his way for a CONTROVERSIAL decision (And I'm gon' say controversial for respect). It's not about gettin' knocked down, it's about gettin' up and keep on fightin'. If Pacquiao was such a beat like everyone's sayin' he should've KO'ed Marquez, but he couldn't.
Friday Sep 19, 2008 07:42:01 PM
anti satl lover:  If Pacquiao was such a beat like everyone's sayin' he should've KO'ed Marquez, but he couldn't. LOL i guess it's the other way around i think. "If Marquez was such a beat like everyone's sayin' he should've KO'ed Pacquaio, but HE COULDN'T!" peace!
Friday Sep 19, 2008 08:51:59 PM
kc:  i think jmm is good. make no mistake about it. But to compare him with pac is stupid and immature. Im a mexican working in the phils and i must say that the Filipinos are one of the most hospitable people i have ever met. They treat you with respect and courtesy even if they dont know you personaly. This started to change when jmm went to the phils a couple of months ago. He is suppose to make a beer comercial. The ownersa of the company believes that he will be a hit because believe it or not, they love marquez for the simple reason that he can fight pacquiao. They love fighters wethear they are Filipinos or not. Then he started insulting pac. anf the phils as a country on national tv. Guess what? the filipino people started lauging at my face whenever the topic of boxing gets raised, telling jokes that i may not aggree on some decisions since the best fighther on my country dont know how to face defeat, the worst thing is, some kids started asking my kids what kind of manner training do mexicans have since we cant even place a challenge like a gentleman and went barging in a foreign country acting like something is due to us when in fact all he did is went the distance with the figther that he claims he has vbeaten twice. He dont deserve a 3rd fight not because he is not good. not even because of the money, but because he has no class
Friday Sep 19, 2008 09:56:09 PM
anti satl lover:  If Marquez was such a beat like SALT LOVER was sayin' he should've KD'nd Pacquaio, but HE SIMPLY COULDN'T! and he refused Pacquiao to fight him again after their first fight. Marquez turned down to fight Pacquiao at $750K right after the first fight and consequently fought Chris John for $35K to which he lost and then team marquez would say today that pac is afraid of him????cmon, get a life loser!
Friday Sep 19, 2008 11:17:39 PM
Salt lover:  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look who's telling me to get a life...Someone who doesn't have a name, and puts mine instead. WOW!!! Mr. (???????) you really killed me with that comment. Get a NAME, THEN we can discuss. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday Sep 20, 2008 12:00:16 AM
Anonymous user:  ::::::::: THE LAST WORD :::: EVERYBODY SHOULD READ WHAT "KC" WROTE. THAT'S DEEP ::::::::::
Saturday Sep 20, 2008 04:17:26 AM
chito:  For the record, Marquez and Pacquaio are both very good fighters. But let's enjoy first the interesting fight of Pacquaio and de la Hoya. After that, let us see what Manny and JMM thoughts about a third fight.
Saturday Sep 20, 2008 10:19:57 AM
Radam G, how humble like an ant:  Hey, people, give Salt Love a break. He cannot help his condition. Dude is slow. Let him live in his world. I will second "Anonymous user." We Pinoys are very humble, not vulnerable or gullible. And most of, all not stupid. Maybe one should get a good dictionary before attacking a Pinoy. And don't start mixing up gullible and vulnerable with the meaning of the world HUMBLE. As I have said, a Pinoy is HUMBLE like an Ant. None of God's creature can punk the ant. Ants are known to defeat armies and giants. No human can punk a Pinoy. Marquez has been dismissed. Let him fight the other Asian who made him kiss the canvas. PacMan has bigger fish to fly. That will be Big Money O. A humble Ant versus a big, strong boxing GIANT in size compared to PacMan -- yea! RIGHT! BMO tumbles in seven. Respect the humbleness of an ant. (This will go over Salt Lover's head.) Holla!
Saturday Sep 20, 2008 12:12:23 PM
john michael:  Juan Miguel Marquez is admittedly an good and intelligent boxer. But the way Casamayor fought that night made manifest a rusting machine that no longer had the capacity to deliver what it used to deliver. Earlier in the fight, Casamayor, to the keen observer, showed he was not as quick and strong as in his previous fights. The Casamayor luster was simply not present. Yet, many times, his punches found their way to the face and body of Marquez. Although Marquez could contain the punches as they were no longer as heavy as when Casamayor was younger, it puts to strong doubt Marquez's ability to parry blows as Casamayor was not only not as strong that night, but also notably slower. As I said, Marquez is a good fighter. There is no debate in that. But his meeting with Casamayor cannot a barometer of a very much doubtful claim of being the best lightweight. Casamayor was old, not as strong and slow that night. But it took Marquez until the eleventh to demolish him. Worse, in the earlier rounds, Marquez was a the receiving end of the flurry of punches of the older, weaker and slower Casamayor. Which makes one ponder, what if Casamayor dueled with Marquez when he was 33? Marquez could have kissed the canvass early as in his fight with Manny Paquiao. Speaking of Pacquiao, despite all the bubbly rantings of Marquez, it is not unknown to the boxing world that the latter kissed the canvass 4 times in their two fights. While there may have been doubts raised as to the correctness of the decisions in the two fights, respected boxing annalysts and commentators all gave it to Paquiao. What could have happened if it was Paquiao who was in the ring qift Casamayor? It could have been early finish. The performance of Casamayor could have been too dwarfed by the towering skills of Paquiao. It may not have lasted until beyond the sixth. Marquez only had the opportunity to demolish Casamayor in the later rounds because the old man was already tired. So, my take on the Marquez-Casamayor? That did not prove anything for Marquez. Casamayor is and has always been a warrior and with hats off, I will forever respect him for that. However, in that arena that night, he was old, weak and slow, but still fought Marquez tooth and nail but weakened in the later rounds. Had he been younger, that would have spelled a different story. So, is Marquez the best lightweight? No, not at all.
Saturday Sep 20, 2008 05:36:38 PM
javier to John Michael:  Marquez will always be to Pacboy something that hurts inside him, because he won by bad judging both times ,Now is Marquez the best in lightweigh no not yet,.he needs to fight the best Nate, and maybe Joan Guzman,is Pacboy the best no why he didnt take a chance against Casamayor instead he took on someone easier David Diaz because he was afraid ,now that marquez beat Casamayor, in everybodys mind is like ,Pacboy would it hurt Casamayor earlier,and if Marquez beats Nate and Guzman you guys will be like Pacboy would it hurt those guys worse ,you know where i am coming from ?you guys are S...d so much. .On the other hand Casamayor is 37, Marquez 35 going 36,Pacboy was 29 and Marquez 35 and he couldnt upset old Marquez ,what would it be if Marquez was 29,Pacboy would never succeed in USA he would be fighting only in Asia to buy you guys toilet paper that you guys dont have, so he is lucky that he fough old guys. But Mexicans like pacman ,but people like you are making us not like him ,because you exagerated so much, you guys are already thinking about Hatton and Floyd before December 6,come on he wont go past 4 rounds with Mr. DLH.
Sunday Sep 21, 2008 12:31:45 PM
javier to John Michael:  THIS WHOLE THING REMINDS THE GREAT TITO TRINIDAD ,AFTER HE BEAT DLH ON BAD JUDGING ,AND THEN HE BEAT VARGAS HE TOUGH THAT HE COULD BEAT ROY JONES AND THE WHOLE WORLD, WHAT HAPENNED ? HE GOT BEAT BY HOPKINGS BAD AND THEN WINKY MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE AMATEUR . SO GUYS SLOW DOWN AFTER DEC 6 THERE WILL BE NO MORE FELIPOS IN THIS WEB SITE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS WONT HAVE ANYMORE CHAMPIONS ATLEAST FOR ANOTHER 1000 YEARS,WHO ELSE DO YOU GUYS HAVE NON NOBODY NOTHING NAME ONE NOBODY HAHAHA
Sunday Sep 21, 2008 12:42:40 PM
cromacho:  shortcut to the debate: use the vaunted mexican logic used by de la hoya to duck antonio margarito (using margarito's loss to paul williams). in deference to chris john, juan manuel marquez should quit whining and beat chris john first, and then he earns a 3rd fight with pacman. at the very least he showed poor judgement, and at worst cowardice, in shunning $750K (too cheap) to fight pacman, then taking a paltry $30K to fight chris john, then getting his butt kicked. jmm's and nacho beristain's bungled gambit was exposed: let the mexican legends mab, em or even the lesser ones like larios and solis soften up pacman, or at least drop him a few rungs in the money ladder, and then they will fight a weaker pacman. wrong guess. but in a way he gets a built-in excuse now, which the haters have always used against pacman. after he kisses the canvass for the 5th, 6th and 7th time, he'll cry " but i'm now 35 years old! if only pacman fought me when i was in my 20's, or early 30's. see, to all these haters, the mexican legends were first-ballot hall-of-famers, until they fought pacman, and then they were over -the-hill.
Monday Sep 22, 2008 01:45:43 PM
Ramonito:  Pacman and Freddie Roach didnt want to take on Humberto Soto, because it was too "risky he would probibly beat Humberto , but it would be a hell of a fight and maybe Humberto Soto would ko Pacman like he did to his brother."
Monday Sep 22, 2008 09:53:13 PM
czar pogi:  jmm at 35 still show mexican craftiness in boxing,with this win he could unify 135 lbs show to mexicans what he was made of and appreciate him like barrera,morales pls give it to him.good fight!although you are running out of time so plan for your retirement line up your fight campbell,diaz,guzman,pinoy know you are good we appreciate you as a boxer ,concentrate on those boxer your conqueror pacman will fight oskee (your boss )to avenge all the mexican if he will be successful hatton if not pacman vs hatton let's put jmm/pacman behind good luck to you
Tuesday Sep 23, 2008 06:01:25 AM
Anony:  ::::: LAST WORD IS : EVERYBODY WANT A PIECE OF PACQUIAO :::::
Tuesday Sep 23, 2008 03:39:33 PM

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