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Tuesday Aug 19, 2008

The HBO analyst would love to see Floyd come back, if he still has any urge to compete, and truly cement his legacy at 147 by taking on Margarito.

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More Max-Kellerman On Margarito/Floyd

By Michael Woods

Since boxing it what it is, a sport that has no central league, no Commissioner overseeing and insuring a certain measure of standards and practices, it is left up to the players to make it up as they go. As all these freelancers jockey for position, with monetary gains most frequently being the main motivator, a fightwriter, or a fightgame journalist in any medium, has to function, many would argue, as a voice of reason. No other sports' chroniclers have such a responsibility and an opportunity to make an impact for the good; keyboard tappers and talkers can rein in some of the freelancers who are operating with no regard for the long term health of the sport, or the fighters, or the fans' wallets. HBO's Max Kellerman, an NYC native who grew up reading the Village Voice, and saw firsthand the positive inroads that forceful journalism can catalyze, took an advocacy stance before the Aug. 2 Joshua Clottey/Zab Judah bout.

He'd talked to Antonio Margarito, just a week after the Real Life Terminator robotically (in a good way) broke down Miguel Cotto, and forced the Caguas Kid to surrender.

Margarito said he wanted De La Hoya or Mayweather next, a megadollar megafight that would secure him and his family financially for a generation or three. Kellerman took the ball that Margarito handed to him, and ran with it.

TSS chatted with Max about his commentary, in which he directed remarks to the "retired" Floyd Mayweather, and his view on the necessity, or lack thereof, of fightwriters acting as a conscience or sherriff in a sport that has always needed more of each.

Q) Max, was the call for Mayweather to either stay retired, if boxing is out of his system and he's content on the sidelines, or fight
Margarito, something you debated to do or not do internally, because it was such a direct address? Is this something you want to do more of, and do you feel that is a role an analyst should always fill?

Max) I've done this a lot on broadcasts, said who should fight who. I talked to Pavlik, through the camera, and said he was the Godzilla, compared him to Hagler as he was waiting for the smaller guys to move up, and said how Hagler cleaned out the division while he waited. The timing for the latest statement was appropriate because Margarito had just mentioned De La Hoya and Mayweather. I view my position as being a consumer advocate. At it ESPN it was the same. There, I was talking about Ike Ibeabuchi every week, while everybody was talking about Michael Grant. I talked about Juan Manuel Marquez, who'd been getting ducked. I talked a lot about Zab Judah, when Zab was ignored, but maybe everyone else was right on that one!

Q) Other advocacy stances you recall doing?

Max) On the Wlad/Vitali Sam Peter/Maskaev situation, and the sanctioning bodies. It's a question of, do you believe in advocacy
journalism, period. And as so far I'm perceived as a journalist…I have a point of view. I'm not there to simply record events. And I'm a consumer myself.

Q) So was the message to Mayweather scripted ahead of time?

Max) We had some ideas, several different ways to go depending on how it went with Margarito. In rehearsal, there was a strong reaction to the message to Floyd. But I've done that advocacy a lot, you just have to be honest in the way you feel. You have to capture what's going on in the moment. We had to know, with Margarito just having beaten Cotto, what was the real issue as we talked to him.

Q) So reiterate, what's the message to Floyd?

Max) Before Margarito/Cotto I thought Floyd was justified in saying there's no real mandate for him to fight anyone at welterweight. Cotto you could argue was creating one, but he was still in the process of creating one.  Margarito,  the way he won,  created a mandate to fight the top guy. The top guy, fairly or unfairly, since he's stated he's retired, is Floyd Mayweather. People like to talk about mandatories, that's what they're about. Margarito created a mandate to fight Floyd.

 

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ali:  floyd would beat margarito with no problem his stlye is perfect for mayweather the shit he did agaist coto would not work at all. He throws wide punches hes not fast so hiting mayweather with enough shots to win rounds i don't see. floyd can't knock him out and he knows that. But he will damn sure will make him look like a fool the whole night with counter punches foot work and head movement period.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 04:41:04 PM
Waldorf:  No! his mandate is Paul period, then PBF, arum must be giving max a kick back. Paul beat him fair and square, don't duck him now, because ODLH is not going to give you a fight.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 05:05:49 PM
Sandman:  Floyd paid his dues let Margarito make his name so big and demanding that he bring in the big bucks on his own name like Floyd was able to do maybe Margarito should Paul Williams and beat the man who beat him then he would have that name.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 05:30:41 PM
Javier Martinez:  I think that Paul W. is a good fighter but he got lucky last time he was about to get knoked out a couple of times and now he is oging to run if they fight again,Margarito should fight Mayweather and Paul somebody else and if they both win then a rematch, but not now, Margarito will be ready next time but Paul,dont run fight like Cotto, like a true fighter not like Mayweather, make the rematch a fight of the year and if you lose or win that would be a satisfaction for you that you fough like a real warrior a Mexican war.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 06:02:00 PM
Dan L:  Second that Waldorf - we should see winner of Paul vs. Tony fighting PBF. The Punisher had an off night vs. Quintana in the first meeting - plain and simple. Though Cotto probably landed harder punches against Margarito - Williams showed a sick workrate and tons of boxing proficiency. Oh yeah, and don't forget that Paul already beat Tony down once - they'l be no need for a trilogy . Props to Margarito all day for his recent performance, but style-wise, he doesn't stand a chance against the Punisher.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 06:12:34 PM
blackpage:  Williams ducked the Margo rematch relentlessly before he beat Cotto. Now all of a sudden its mandatory that the fight happen. TJT wins the rematch, probably by late KO. Mayweather is the unproven commodity at Welter... PW, Clottey, Margarito and Cotto have been taking the tough fights. Honestly he needs Antonio so the last half of his career doesn't seem like a farce.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 06:54:32 PM
959 Santa:  I think Margarito and Williams have a great chance at beating PBF. Matter of fact PBF knows that too so that's why he retired. The winner gets PBF. Why? Because the loser of Margarito Williams could beat PBF as well. Don't you think?.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 06:56:22 PM
Dr. Votts:  I don't think Floyd can beat either guy and I don't think Floyd thinks it either. And this is coming from a Mayweather fan !!! I mean any true boxing fan has to appreciate the SHARPNESS that Floyd displays in the ring, even though I wish he had a little bit more of the killer instinct . For the life of me I can't figure out why he didn't fight Cotto. I thnk he would have given him a boxing lesson IF he could take the punishment. The difference between Shane and Floyd is Floyd doesn't have a problem with straight rights and is not going to sit there and let you tee-off on him. Margo is a whole different animal. I think May could beat Margo IF (and that's a big if) he can take the bodyshots that drain you. Margo is smart , he knows that he's slow and the body doesn't move so when you slip him he digs hard. On top of that he's got great stamina and will keep coming till the last bell. Also his favorite punch is the left uppercut which you can't duck. These things make him a problem for anybody period. Paul williams is a freak! (In a good way) Anytime you are 6'2" and 147. Paul's got skills,he's sharp ,got stamina ,stays busy and fights really good on the inside. You better be prepared to take a lot of leather cause he punches from all angles. BOTTOM LINE why fight a fight you know you can't win. maybe that why May won't fight those guy's. Or maybe May makes pual look like Diego and box circles around Margo. Only one way to find out , stay posted. Peace and blessings.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 07:20:21 PM
ace:  Any of the top welter weights would destroy pinky Floyd that's why he's retired, stay retired as far as i'm concerned. I think Cotto is a lot more accurate than Floyd and a way better boxer . He boxed beautifully against Margarito, but he just could not break that granite chin. I know Mayweather would disagree, as well as his fans, but the only way to prove it is in that square circle, my friend. As for u pinky Floyd quit priding yourself as the best boxer ever, you may have convinced the casual fan, but your not fooling the hardcore fans who helped you get where u are today. You left a lot of unanswered questions, don't forget that. So if you decide to come back fight only the true elite. I expect nothing less if you are truly above the rest. You shouldn't have any problems beating them, if not quit wasting everybodys time.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 07:32:58 PM
TK:  I like Max, but this "advocacy" journalism as an interviewer of boxers reminds me of "Mean" Gene Okerlund and the olds days of the WWF in late 1980's. Too much grandstanding. And what's with going over his material in rehearsals? Sounds a bit scripted to me. The best called it like they saw it - not like they wanted it to be perceived.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 08:14:32 PM
donputo69:  AMEN FOR MAX.....thats why he's the man right now in HBO...this guy speaks the truth...HE KNOWS HIS BOXING...anyway back to business....scareweather was offered his biggest paycheck at that time to fight Margarito which was $8 million.... he turned it down. ...what was his excuse then?... he doesn't have one...He is nothing more than a GOOD boxer and NOT great....he hand picked his opponents and has a decent fight resume at best....he potshots and runs...he should run track for the US in the Olympics....lmfaooooooo...that's what he does best is run in and out of the ring.....just like i've been saying all along....SCAREWEATHER DOESNT WANT IT WITH COTTO,MARGARITO,WILLIAMS OR BERTO..OR EVEN DLH OR MOSLEY....sad but true....holla back ladies!!!!!
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 09:20:51 PM
Coco:  Floyd is a pretty boy. Pretty boys don't like to get dirty. Cotto got dirty in the ring for his legacy and got beaten by a machine. There is no way "the pretty boy" will come back to fight Margarito. Margarito doesn't need to fight the Pretty Boy or De la Hoya, he needs to fight fighters who want to fight and are allegedly in their primes like Williams, Berto, Clottey, and perhaps Mosley. Margarito does not need Floyd or De la Hoya!!!
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 09:58:19 PM
BigDaddy:  Fraud will NEVER fight Margarito or P-Will,that's not his M.O.. I'm guessing that he'll probably fight Pacquiao or Cotto.Pac-Man is a bigger name than either the Tornado or the Punisher and a much smaller risk (Literally). And he might take on Cotto because he's also a big name that might be damaged goods at this point. If Arum gets in the way, look for the "Past his Prime" Moseley to be the fallback choice.Smallest Risk for the Biggest Reward is the only math that Fraud knows.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 11:21:50 PM
PumpkinEscobar:  scareweather was offered his biggest paycheck at that time to fight Margarito which was $8 million.... he turned it down. ...what was his excuse then?... No excuse, just the fact Margarito was not the biggest draw at that time and would not have created a big enough fight for Floyd nothing to do with running scared why would Floyd be scared of someone he can beat with one hand tied behind his back.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 11:53:43 PM
Brian:  this guy mararito is so overrated it makes me sick . Look i understand fight fans are hungry for a big-name competitive fight. but sad to say, if you're looking for that to be Margarito/Mayweather you're crazy. It is true that Tony has earned the right to fight Mayweather but lets be real. When watched Tony and Miguel fight i thought to myself...."These guys are just simply not on Floyd's level." I wish they were because it would make for a great fight but they are not. We have seen Cottos weaknesses for the last few years in every fight even though came away with the victory. And Margarito is a tough guy who Was getting a world class boxing lesson From Clottey until Joshua broke his hand. You want to see how easy it is to beat Margarito then watch the fight with Clottey. Floyd would beat the hell out of both Cotto and Margarito but i guess we do deserve to see it. I hope you guys don't get upset with me.....It is what it is
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 12:37:10 AM
Mayor: South Africa:  Something for fans to think about Mr. Woods - why would "advocacy" journalists push for certain fights to happen (PBF v/s AM in this case)? Isn't that what promoters do (and are paid to do)? Most fans conveniently forget that Bob Arum is the one who should be talking to PBF and luring him out of retirement (and instead choose "hatin'" when they can't have their way). Do you think he can when Floyd had to buy himself out of Arum's contract in the first place? Has Floyd fought any of Arum's fighters since they parted ways (not amicably so)? Why are these questions not addressed at Arum by Max Kellerman? I'm pretty sure Floyd would engage him properly if he was man enough to get off TV and contact him or Ellerbe, his advisor.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 05:28:14 AM
donputo69:  nice one pumpkin girl...trying to copy my line...its all good you moron...alot of you's wanna be like the DON....i aint mad at ya...it just gets me happy...lmfaoooooo.....get your own line you bozo....holla back!!!!!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 05:39:38 AM
rudy:  Quit bringing this fool's name up, he ISNT in the sport right now -- he DONT MATTER. It's all about Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Mosley, Berto, Clottey, and the other ACTIVE top welters in the game.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 08:24:22 AM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  I like Max he is up front with his issues. Mayweather hasn t paid his dues yet.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 10:19:13 AM
sal:  It is obvious that Max refuse to give Paul Williams credit for being one the best, most feared fighter in the welterweight division. Paul calls out every fighter! He doesn't Lie! His record is better than Margarito and Judah. Max..... get real!!!!!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 10:44:13 AM
Radam G:  When the money is right, Money May destroys the Tijuana Tornado. Margarito can fight, but not a Mayweather-type of bout. Money May would beat him worst than Dixon did a few years ago. Money May would drop bombs on the Tijuana Tornado, causing a serious inplosion and a major disaster for Margarito. But Margarito will get some serious pay. Cotto fought the wrong fight. He needs to make some adjustment and he shuts the Tijuana Tornado out in the rematch. Holla!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 10:55:28 AM
Daven Crump:  I think Floyd Would beat Margarito. He is just to smart for him. Cotto is a very good boxer, but he dont use his ability to his best. Cotto do not have a great chin, so y trades shots like that to an animal like that. But Floyd would be to fast and just keep moving away. Yall might not like it but it would be enough to win. I love Zab judah But he cant fight with the welterweight he need to move down to 140 he will kill paul, hatton, holt then in 2 years or more move back up fight one more time in welterwight so he can be use to winning then retired ZAb please take my Advice please. your not the same boxer no more
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 11:45:03 AM
Stokes:  We as the consumer want to see a real toe to toe fight not a fight where one fighter runs all night like Floyd, so I really dont think its in the best interest to watch a fight where Floyd runs like a ballerina all night long. He cannot crack Tony's chin in any way shape or form even if Tony let Floyd hit him all night long. Anyway not even Paul Williams would be man enough to go toe to toe with Tony because his big goofy a$$ would also get K.O. in the first couple of rounds ala Cintron!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 12:30:08 PM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  Are you serious Radam G.? Floyd dropping bombs on Margarito...you got to be kidding me. He couldn't even drop bombs on DLH what makes you think he can with Margarito. First of all Cotto is a bigger puncher than Mayweather, Cotto couldn't even hurt Margarito. Margarito reminds me of Hagler, aggressive and durable. Facts are facts folks Mayweather fans you're all a joke.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 12:46:12 PM
Yuvie:  It amazes me how it's alright for Margarito to not even consider a re-match with Williams but not for Mayweather to avoid Margarito. Come on man, Williams has never backed down from a re-match with Margarito. He said he wanted to fight the winner of Cotto/Margarito before the fight even happened. You Margarito fans are getting as bad as these Mayweather fans. How did Williams get lucky in the first fight? You guys act like Williams was in serious trouble. Dude won the 12th round against Margarito. Stop with the excuses. Instead of avenging his loss, Margarito is happy to fight for less against one punch Clottey. I like Margarito but until he re-matches with Williams, he's not the number 1. Stokes, you're smokin something. Williams has beat Margarito, how you gonna say he's scared of him? All he's calling for is a re-match with Margo atm. Some of you guys need to be a little more neutral and talk a little more sense. I bet if Williams was to beat Margarito again, you'd all be jockin Williams then. I got a lot of respect for Williams, he just wants to take on the best, even if he already beat them. He took on Quintana straight away and proved pretty much everyone wrong. Also, why are we still bringing up Mayweather's name? He's gone, just forget about him. I personally don't wanna see him against anyone. If he wants to come back, he can't just go into a fight with the winner of this match or that match. This is why boxing is seen as a joke to those watching from the outside. Some guy retires, comes back after a couple of years and he already goes straight into a fight with a 'unified' welterweight champ. I'd rather see him prove himself against some solid welterweights first.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 02:33:06 PM
Robert Curtis:  Seems like all boxing today is one big kid's game of Duck Duck Goose. The best fighters avoid each other like they're under restraining orders. ABCDEFG belts are handed out like badges at cub scout rallies. As usual, the recent retiree gets more ink (from both TSS readers and writers) than fighters like Margarito who will take any big match. No disrespect to Michael or Max, but here we have a writer writing about another writer/commentator talking about fantasy matches which will never happen. Meanwhile, the dabbling Golden Boy still debates which opponent he'll fight next like a woman choosing which outfit she'll wear to work today. And Manny is P4P king by default in a lame era. Maybe all of today's fighters should retire? They might as well stay home if there's no single belt to be had or any legitimate contender ladder to climb. Team USA's woes are just a symptom of a greater systemic failure in modern boxing. Nobody is building it, so no is going to show up, inside or outside the ropes. I'd love to see young USA Olympians win gold, but you can't expect the oppressed to free the oppressors.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 03:43:34 PM
Gas Gangrene:  Antonio Margarito would KO Floyd inside of 5 rounds.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 03:46:43 PM
Theboyb901:  Floyd would run circles around Williams and Margarito. And Williams is not what everybody thinks he is. Williams and Margarito is a sensible fight but not right now. Paul should fight Cotto and or Cintron, then Margarito if wins one and/or both fights. Just because Margarito lost to Paul does not mean Paul is the next man in line. Let's see if he can beat Cotto and the answer is NO. Cotto is not a Quintana....he'd get back up from those weak punches if he would even go down. We always mention how Floyd hasn't fought anybody....Paul Williams for damn sure hasn't fought anybody!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 03:56:13 PM
donputo69:  hey brian?..wanna talk about weakness?...i have a few for scareweather...NO HEART, SCARED, NO COJONES, NO LEGACY, ALWAYS RUNNING, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, A COWARD...thats your girl scareweather's weakness...so everybody in boxing has one or two...holla back ladies!!!!!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 04:45:32 PM
REAL FAN:  WOW are you serious. . . You guys serious? ? ? WOW Paul beat Margarito.? .? . Are you nuts? First off ya Margarito should fight Paul But after he's through with Mayweather. . . Wow did I just see someone put down Mayweather did his thang? Mayweather Didn't do shit! He's a phony. . . . He beat Judah? Beat The old man from Argentina. . . Beat down the Old Gatti. . .Beat De LA Hoya in the worst fight of the YEAR!!!!!!! Come On Mayweather's hits would bounce off Margarito like paper hitting metal. Mayweather ran away from the boxing world a nobody but alot of money from lame bouts. Mayweather never proved himself. He was a boring ass fighter and if wants to be known as the best he needs to beat the crap out of Margarito which he won't and can't do cuz he runs away from the better Welterweight Division.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 08:13:37 PM
camron_892000@yahoo.com:  I think everybody just jumped on margarito band wagon. He's a great Mexican fighter but he got killed by paul williams and he's a nobody. Floyd would kill everyboxer right now. Margarito is going to beat clotty if they fight he a one handed fighter. He' very strong but he not ready for margarito. He should move to light middleweight he would be a monster. I think cotto is messed up after that fight he going to be the next vargas. The fight I want to see is shane mosley and andre berto that would be an action pack fight look out for berto. Del la hoya need to fight winky wright or roy jones jr either fight can be a fight he might win but I bet 10000 that del la hoya lose his last fight
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 10:20:48 PM
Pumpkinescobar:  I copied your question to answer it no wonder why i call you donstupido i think eastar will second that. donstupido should quit (LIKE COTTO DID) and stop claiming that everyone wants to be like him thats whats the word SAD. Everyone wants to be Like Don oh i mean Mike sorry.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 12:38:18 AM
Toney P:  Max because you are in love with Margerito, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is in love with him. You need to get off that Margerito KICK and give Paul Williams proper credit. We know that he is the BEST DAMN Welterweight in the world! Max was someone I admired but now he lies all the time.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 08:53:23 AM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  Agree with Real Fan, don, but not Robert or Cam. Pacquaio should get all the credit he deserves, he is who is keeping this boxing world in balance. Floyd could not kill a fly and DLH, Wright should not fight anymore. Berto has not even beat or fought anyone yet and almost got knocked out by an unknown. He needs power in those punches not sounds.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 09:15:02 AM
Stokes:  Hey Yuvie, I know that Paul and Tony already fought but what I stated was "Paul would not dare to go toe to toe with Margarito because he would get knocked out." He did out-boxed him and won by points but that is all he did not go toe to toe with him and if he tried he would get k.o.ed! Anyway thats all I stated.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 09:29:54 AM
Theboyb901:  OMG...Paul Williams will not beat Margarito again. And Berto is GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE....LOL! AND FLOYD IS A BOXER NOT A BRAWLER. Cotto just got ignorant and put on his best Mayweather impression and look what happen! Mayweather is the best. If his track list of fighters is not enough competition name someone in the last decade with a great track list of stiff competition.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 09:41:06 AM
Daven Crump:  That what ppl always say berto aint fight nobody. Floyd aint fight nobody. Wow. Floyd beat the best everybody just want to see floyd lose. To bad he never will. Floyd is the best boxer of this decade. When he retied the first time everybody said, floyd can't be hatton floyd will lose, sike floyd knock him out. Floyd will come back one more time and fight the best when he win ppl gone say , no floyd can't be this guy or this guy. All you haters floyd will never lose he will finish 41 - 0 mark my words then laught at all you people. Go tell marg to fight paul williams again so he can get beat down again like the last fight. And this time he might get knocked out. Look out for berto and look out for zab judah when he move down to light welterweight and take all the belts. Pac can't even beat paulie. Pac need to go back to fether weight before he end his career early. And still undefeated FLOYD 'money' MAYWEATHER GUN RUE all day
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 10:02:24 AM
What it is?:  No one is going to say that Williams hits as hard as Cotto. Margo took LOTS of Cotto’s shots and was unfazed. Hence, a Margarito/Williams bout would be boring, as it was the first one. The ONLY possible alternative fights for Margo would be rematch with Cotto if De la Hoya is playing Chickenweather…
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 10:32:47 AM
the man:  I won't to see floyd vs pac. To see who is really the best pound 4 pound
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 11:06:29 AM
Yuvie:  A Williams/Margarito bout would pretty much decide who the number 1 welterweight in the world is. How can you say the first fight was boring? Besides, I don't care if it's boring, I don't care who wins, I just wanna see this fight happen. It needs to happen, for the welterweight division. Margarito cannot go above Williams in my books, but you sudden Margarito fans seem to suddenly think there was a controversial decision in the Williams/Margarito fight and that Margarito will just blast Williams out. Give Williams a little bit of respect. As I said, I bet if he beat Margarito again you'd all be on the Williams bandwagon.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 01:43:00 PM
Yuvie:  Also, stokes, I think anyone who goes toe to toe with Margarito is stupid. Margarito is well known for having a granite chin. The only way you're gonna beat Margarito is by boxing with him. I mean it's not impossible that Margarito could get knocked out but anyone with a decent gameplan would go in there and box rings around him.
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 02:12:58 PM
Stokes:  Yuvie, if you like Paul's style thats ok but the reality is that he will not dare to go toe to toe with Tony. Now yes I give Paul respect for obviously winning the match but he cannot win in a real brawl versus Margarito. At this moment it looks like Arum wants to match Clottey versus Margarito for November which is what most online outlets are claiming and thats ok for now but I think that the rematch is inevitable in 09. Plus I have been following Margarito since he fought Hercules Kyvelos back in 2004 and I am more than positive that anybody would be jumping on Paul's bandwagon!!!
Thursday Aug 21, 2008 02:33:43 PM
1:  Brian- I've watched Margarito do amazing things both in the gym and against many opponents on his climb to the top. Overrated? I, for one, don't think so. ***DonPuto***- Try to at least act like it's not uncommon for people to want to emulate you. If someone copies you, accept it for the compliment it is. Of course, if coming up with these gems are extremely difficult, then yes, by all means protect your very limited turf for all your worth. ***Robert Curtis***- Absolutely great work. Remarkable how you touched on so many key points in so few sentences. Will be looking forward to reading more of your input. That Olympic scoring system is even scarier than that used in the professional ranks.
Friday Aug 22, 2008 01:55:46 AM
Waldorf:  Why, would anybody stand toe to toe with Margarito, that moronic, like Ali standing toe to toe with Foreman, just plain stupid. The reasons PBF did not take the 8 mil, because it would have put him under contract with arum for several more fight, that why, you guy need to really read TSS, under stand the boxing business. Margarito Can't fight anybody but Paul or fire! arum. Look how much money ODLH and PBF have made, without him they fought from 130 to 154 both paid there dues.it's money and legacy,stop lying to yourself PBF is the best WW period that his name is always coming up.
Friday Aug 22, 2008 08:44:00 AM
donputo69:  hey 1?..wtf is you?...mind your own business punk...worry about your dumb comments...dont worry about mine...anyway...time to go back to vegas today...holla back!!!
Friday Aug 22, 2008 10:48:46 AM
Yuvie:  Well, it's not like Williams ran away in the first fight, he was standing toe to toe, throwing a lot of punches. That's what Williams style is known for, he just throws and throws. He had decent stamina. As I said, no one can stand and brawl with Margarito for 12 rounds, he's blessed with a great chin. It's not as if Cotto even stood toe to toe for the whole 11 rounds. Alot of the later rounds, he was running. So what if Williams backed off once or twice. Margarito's known for coming to life in the later rounds but Williams still came out in the 12th round of their fight and won that round in style. Williams is growing, who's to say he don't come out better if the re-match happens. I think the loss to Quintana has done wonders for him. I believe all the hype surrounding him before the Quintana fight made him feel over-confident and yep, he was schooled. Not many fighters re-match with a guy that just beat them like that and then knock them out in the first round. Margarito may well beat him if they had a re-match but it's just gotta happen now. Only reason Margarito/Clottey is happening is so that Arum can lace his pocket, he don't have to share the money out with any other promoter. Clottey ain't ready for this version of Margarito. He caught Margarito in the first fight because of Margarito's in-activity but this time around, I don't think it will be that close. Arum needs to wait on Clottey, give him a tune-up before he throws him in again with Margarito. Arum needs to stop acting like a twat and just do business with Goosen, it's only making Margarito look bad.
Friday Aug 22, 2008 02:40:14 PM
Kool-Aid:  Margarito, while winning a huge fight against Cotto, did not create a mandate for Floyd to fight him. Margarito created a mandate for Paul Williams to give Margarito a rematch. If Margarito beat Paul, they should do the rubber match if it's another good fight. Floyd went out as the #1 P4P. I don't see him coming back after Cotto losing. Floyd would treat Margarito like he treated Baldomir: a heavy bag!
Friday Aug 22, 2008 06:41:59 PM
What it is?:  Kool-aid, it’s obvious that you are one of the thousands with the truck driver (heard) mentality who has been suckered into the P4P myth and thinks Chickeweather is it. Just re-watch the Baldomir/Chickenweather fight and see how he ran from Baldomir and all the boos he got. Is that a great fighter to deserve that mythical title? Get a reality pill you and all those with that mentality
Saturday Aug 23, 2008 10:46:43 AM
Waldorf:  Listen, everybody doesn't stand toe to toe go watch mma if that what you want, the sport is boxing, the art of hitting not being hit. Now listen to any fighter that PBF has fought in there interveiws and ask if he can punch, his stamina and ring smarts is the best, he fought big, fast, big puncher, hugger and has beat them all, Margarito could not beat PAUL and PAC could not beat Morales in there first fight. No one can beat in the WW class. any thing else is a lie and that the real reality
Saturday Aug 23, 2008 02:36:11 PM
Limi:  Margarito would hand it to PBF on a platter thats why PBF is out shopping instead of training. If he thought he could win he would of taken the fight. Hattons pressure gave PBF trouble imagine what Magaritos pressure would do...PBF wouldnt run around the ring he'd run right out.
Monday Aug 25, 2008 05:35:36 PM
Waldorf:  Limi, did you watch the Clottery and Paul fight vs. Margarito he has problems with boxer, check your eyesight or your mental judgement or like other you wish upon a star, that PBF loses because you don't like him. Cotto did not fight his fight, he let dummy, control his game plan. arum drop him like hot rocks.
Monday Aug 25, 2008 06:10:44 PM
1:  Punk? There's a circus somewhere missing a clown.
Monday Aug 25, 2008 11:02:54 PM
Stokes:  Yuvie, I agree with your last comment bro!
Tuesday Aug 26, 2008 10:01:55 AM
Limi:  yeah iv seen the paul fight he got tired of puchin margarito on the head, he was worn out from punchin him then he nearly folded at the end he is a tough nut paul williams no doubt. But margarito is a rock he has a head like tua. Not once did we see him lose heart or even look to be dazzed at any point. After the fight he thought he had won in a fighting sense he did cos at the end williams was beginning to come undone. He was imposing his will on him. Paul won that fight but in the secound half he was running out of answers. PBF has not got the work rate that paul has to keep margarito off him. No one out their does except for paul. A roy jones style could beat margarito no doubt but a PBF no way. He was shakin in his bones with hatton. He will fronzen in the headlights of margarito. And cotto did not fight his fight wat does that mean?? he threw every thing but the kitchen sink at margarito and for margarito to still be there unmoved, to a heavy hitter that does things to ur phschy. how could cotto control anything with someone like that. A sugar ray could they and roy jones have the footwork and can hit and run all day long no worries and wit a touch of clowing can break a margarito. But if u want to bang with this bloke u gona come off second best. Waldorf get ur head checked cos u doubtd cotto could lose and he did and it wasnt even close points wise the fight may of been close but fight wise he was coping it. cotto had more go then PBF will ever have just by taking the fight. cop that and take that to the bank
Tuesday Aug 26, 2008 08:05:20 PM

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