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One Word Describes USA Boxing: DEBACLE
By Ron Borges
USA Boxing avoided a shutout Sunday but it couldn’t avoid a disaster because that’s what the Beijing Olympics has become.
Had inexperienced Deontay Wilder not been awarded two points because of a questionable penalty deduction in the final 40 seconds of his quarter final bout against Morocco’s Mohammad Arjaoui, the United States boxing team would have failed to qualify a single fighter for the medal round for the first time in 100 years. As it is, Wilder’s 23-22 victory (after a 10-10 tie in regular scoring forced the judges to go to what is called agreement scoring, meaning the highest and lowest judge’s cards are thrown out and the others are added together) guarantees him at least a bronze medal but all that guaranteed the U.S.A.’s boxing team was its worst performance since 1948.
After defending world champion Demetrius Andrade was stunned by an 11-9 loss and left the ring in tears, all that was left was Wilder, who three years ago was a college basketball player with no boxing experience. Fortunately for the United States that all changed and frankly everything has to change with USA Boxing as well after what has become an utter debacle in Beijing.
Not only have seven fighters, including two world champions, been beaten before the medal rounds but another, Gary Russell, Jr., collapsed unconscious in his room from dehydration after struggling to make weight and was disqualified. That doesn’t even mention the palace revolt that took place in June when team captain Luis Yanez was briefly thrown off the team by head coach Dan Campbell for refusing to return to USA Boxing’s year-long training camp in Colorado Springs.
This led the 65-year-old Campbell, who is supposed to be the adult in the group, to label Yanez “One of the biggest liars I’ve ever met.’’
Yanez very well may be for all we know, but having the coach categorize publicly the 19-year-old captain of his team that way made obvious to the world what had privately become an intolerable situation between the coaching staff and their fighters.
Yanez was reinstated but the air was never cleared. Instead, criticism of Campbell became louder and more persistent from the fighters, their parents and their individual coaches until it was obvious during the Games that no one was listening to him. Not the first American to box in two Olympics in 32 years, Rau’shee Warren, who looked away from his coaches and into the stands in the final 35 seconds of his fight, thus being told he was ahead by his supporters and not in need of throwing another punch when in fact he was behind. His corner was hollering for him to punch but their advice fell upon deaf ears and he lost by a single point, ending an eight-year quest through two Olympic Games without having won a single match.
That stunning defeat was followed quickly by several more, including Yanez’s upsetting loss in his second fight of the tournament. That defeat came seemingly with Yanez doing the opposite of every single thing he was told to do by Campbell. Yanez admitted as much after he’d lost, 9-7, and Campbell gave him up completely by saying, “He basically did the opposite of what we asked him to do.’’
That is exactly what Yanez promised he would do last month when he said he wouldn’t be listening to his coaches, who he neither respected nor trusted. He was true to his word, of nothing else. Now remember this was THE CAPTAIN of the team saying these things about the head coach. Where do you go from there?
Home in a hurry, with nothing particularly valuable to declare at Customs.
So what we have here then is a “team’’ in which the coaches publicy give up their athletes to the media and the athletes ignore whatever the coaches say and let the world know it. In other words, what we have here is a failure to communicate as well as a complete breakdown of what this is all supposed to be about.
Campbell is right when he says his fighters are too distracted by outside influences like family, personal coaches and professional managers and promoters who are pursuing them. Then again, it’s USA Boxing that credentials many of those same managers, like Shelly Finkel (who has had the run of the place for years), as well as others representing the professional side of the sport, then complains about their presence.
As for family and personal coaches, the fact of the matter is the members of this year’s team, or any of our teams, reached the Olympics because of the work of family and their amateur trainers and coaches. Campbell and his staff had little or nothing to do with that success so exactly who does he think those kids would most respect and trust? Them or a guy who would publicly called their captain “one of the biggest liars I ever met’’?
What was just as bad were Campbell’s constant claims that whatever went wrong was the fault of his fighters or the people around them. He called Russell lazy at one point even though the guy never failed to make weight as far as anyone could recall until he got to the Olympic team. Then it happened before the biggest tournament of his life. How are the coaches and the staff of USA Boxing blameless?
Warren loses because he didn’t listen to Campbell. Yanez loses because he didn’t listen to Campbell. Andrade loses and then storms out of the ring before the winner is announced and Campbell says on national television he was all right with that because he didn’t feel Andrade was treated fairly by the judges. This is the guy leading these kids?
Excuse making has been a large part of this latest USA Boxing team. At one point, Campbell was heard telling Wilder in the corner, at a time when it was a one-point match, that he couldn’t understand how his opponent was being given points.
What possible good did that do? First off, neither Campbell nor Wilder had any control over that so how about talking to his fighter about things they could control – like how to fight the next round? Second, how can it serve his fighters to hear that from their coaches? It’s disheartening enough to see your teammates lose. You don’t need to hear your coach claiming you’re getting hosed IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT.
If Campbell was complaining to his fighters about the scoring in the heat of the moment like that you can bet he was also talking about it during training and strategy sessions when what he should have been talking to them about was how to be sure they were throwing the most effective scoring blows they could. Of course, no one was listening to him anyway, according to both him and them, so the whole exercise was a futile and doomed from the start.
This slide into mediocrity in USA Boxing has been going on since at least 1992, the first time in years the USA had only one gold medalist (Oscar De La Hoya). Since those Games in Barcelona, there have been four Olympiads. America has earned only two gold medals in boxing, one by David Reid in 1996 in a fight he was losing badly when he nailed his Cuban opponent with a desperation right hand that stopped him, and Andre Ward in 2004 in Athens.
It is unlikely Wilder will win gold but he will at least win something. But what does that mean for USA Boxing and its new chief executive, Jim Millman?
What it should mean is an entire overhaul of not only how they do things but who does them. USA Boxing has had the same faces around either as coaches, technical advisors or hanging on the periphery of the program for 12 years. To say they need to air the place out would be an understatement.
They need new faces, new ideas and an abandoning of the territorial battles of the adults in charge which allowed for the exclusion of someone like Dr. Wilbert “Skeeter’’ McClure, a 1960 gold medalist in boxing and a professional psychologist and college professor whom USA Boxing rejected for a position as the team’s sports psychologist in 2004. He never heard from them again.
That was their loss, which is something USA Boxing is getting used to.
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rudy:
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This coach is def a moron, need someone new in that role. The problem is the SCORING system. 4 rds, 1st two they look to build a lead and then just cruise the rest of way, which is just stupid. The way it works doesnt really make a guy fight in the ring, just score 'points' that some blind judge might or might not see. Guys fall into fighting that manner and it gets them nowhere....
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Adrian:
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Its both ways. Coach blames it on the fighters, fighters blame it on the judges and the coach. I partly sympathize with the coach; you feel like crap when immature and un-professional fighters have made up their minds not to listen to you. How do you control a bunch who think they know better.
Or ...we could accept that fighters elsewhere are getting better and better and we are not automatically entitled to gold just for showing up, which is what the Yanez , the Latin Legend (Hah!) did.
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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The Real Deal:
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The way the Olympic scoring is, these guys could never be could professionals because it's all about points thus far it's all about slap punches. I have never seen so many guys slapping. I hate the amateur game. Where the hell did they get the USA boxing coach? When Demetrius lost they asked the coach was he disappointed that Demetrius didn't stay for the decision. He said no and started making excuses. The scoring wasn't only bad for the USA. Take your loss and be respectful. Where is the discipline? They say that some of the guys came in at least 15 pounds overweight....hmmm. Sounds like there was no control or organization in that entire camp. They need to change a lot of things to make it better. Where was Emanuel Stewart, he was suppose to be running the entire program? I guess since he wasn't able to take some of the money that he thought he was going to get he decided to not participate. It was just a debacle. We have only won 3 gold medals in the last 16 years. That's a flat out SHAME!!
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Yuvie:
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Yeah, how these guys are gonna survive in the pros is beyond me. It ain't boxing at all. It needs to change big time. The scoring and the fights themselves are pathetic. I think anyone could go in there and have a chance of winning a medal.
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Anony:
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: : : : : : : : : : : PUERTO RICO BOXING TEAM UPDATE : : : : : : : : : : : : So far all of our boxers have eliminated. Only one, McWilliams Arroyo (51 kilograms), has a chance for a Bronze medal if he wins Wednesday. NOTE TO ALL BOXING FANS IN USA :: If our guy makes it to the finals, you better start rooting for him as we do for USA fighters. Why? Well just do. Don't be ungrateful to our boxers who always start their careers in the USA . Just go "Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico!!!!!!" OK????????
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Radam G in Beijing:
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Wow! Talking about responsibility! I coulda, woulda, shoulda won the GOLD will be the words of the Kanos -- Americans -- who didn't medal. Nonetheless, most of these boxers caused chaos and rebellion on Team Kano. Boxing is highly mental, and mentally Team U.S.A. were immature and not ready to go. They didn't get into the elite performance ZONE. Because they were too busy getting bad advice from personal coaches on cell phones "from back home." The boxers' losts weren't like 1988 Korean Olympic Games' Roy Jones. Now the losing boxers will sing that old, sad excuse-making song. "I coulda won with my (personal) coach input. But the (American) Olympic coaches did him wrong. They shoulda let him give me instructions in the corner from my cell phone." RIGHT (in the dreams of stone-cold fools)! Not so! A flawed scoring system and meddling "from back home" coaches ate up these kids' gold medal dreams like fat, greedy, attacking roaches. The "back home (knuckleheaded) coaches" are lipping their lips and waiting to goof up these boxers' pro careers. Holla!
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Radam G in Beijing:
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*lipping off about the Olympic Coaches of Team U.S.A. and waiting to goof up these boxers' pro careers. Get rip of the "back home coaches." Holla!
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Nuckle:
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The whole olympic boxing is a joke. I watched most of the fights and while watching I would see a clean punch landed or a combo and think a point should be scored, but it won't. It seems they score whenever they fill like it. And the 2 points they take away for a "warning" is ridiculous.
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Nuckle:
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my bad it's feel not "fill".
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Anonymous user:
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Its called a count-back, @ first paragraph (agreed scores), might be usefull to know what the rules are called when writing about a subject.
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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DaveB:
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First of all I don't understand the scoring either. Until they get this coaching thing gets resolved this is going to continue. These boxers seem like the basketball team in Athens, like they are a bit spoiled. They do not have to love the coach but they need to look at the big picture. They are there to win a gold medal. After the Olympics they are free to go on their way and it will be much more lucrative with the gold. I think the coach should not condone their behavior. Even if he says he doesn't he does, if he agrees with that behavior when explaining it to the commentators. Maybe next time they can learn something from the Redeem Team and redeem the boxing team.
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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Anony, Quick Question. How in the world does PR produce all that talent on that tiny island?
Monday Aug 18, 2008
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959 Santa:
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The worst part for me is when the scoring is tied and there are no knockdowns. What is the term used in the Olympic Scoring "agreement scoring". High and Lows are thrown out. But how can that be if all the judges scoring is the same. I think I had heard Teddy use the term "significant punches". Maybe Teddy mean't power shots. So Im still a little baffled when the score gets tied and there are no knockdowns.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008
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Rick:
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First...........there is no TEAM
Second.....the scoring is so horrible I won't even watch it
Third.........If I had been put in charge of picking the fighters we would have done better. and I have no experiance!!!
Fourth...why Teddy Atlas?? Why Why why....I cant stand his comparisons. If I hear about a fighter.."waiting for a receipt" one more time .I will take ESPN off my TV.
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008
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Rick:
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PS...This will be the olympics that a fighter can get KO'd and not score a point LOL
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008
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Anony:
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THE ANSWER : it's in the heat my friend. Hot island, Hot people. hahaha no, that is not the answer. I guess it is in the race. Being a mix of strong african ex-slaves, fast reflexes indians and "violent blood" from spaniards. But thank you for asking, recently we are getting a lot of hit because of the Cotto vs. Margarito fight and your question should answer those who criticize Puerto Rico.... Mexico is like 20 times bigger than Puerto Rico and the USA is obviously bigger than us and I'm sure the boxers rate output from Puerto Rico is much bigger so yes we feel proud about it. History analysis ladies!!!!!!!
Tuesday Aug 19, 2008
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Playing Matchmaker: Williams/Cotto, Pavlik/Abraham Winners Meet
"I wouldn't mind paying 50 dollars for a Paul Williams /Miguel Cotto fight with Margarito/Clottey in the undercard. Or Jermain Taylor/Paul Williams with a fight between Kelly Pavlik/Arthur Abraham on the same night. A set up like that would be good for boxing 'cause the fans would see four good fighters in one night and possibly see the two winners fight in the near future.Too bad boxing doesn't think about the fans the way fans think about boxing." ---TSS reader Arturo plays matchmaker
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