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Thursday Aug 14, 2008


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Pacman Dumps Oscar

By Ron Borges

Most of the people who spend a goodly portion of their time in Los Angeles would pay any price to win an Oscar. Manny Pacquiao is not one of those people.

 

On Wednesday Pacquiao did to Oscar De La Hoya what he does to every fighter he faces. He refused to back down to him.

 

Pacquiao chose to reject potentially the biggest payday of his life rather than accept from De La Hoya the terms of a deal he felt was beneath him. Whether or not that will prove to be fiscally sound may be debatable but it was certainly more than understandable because the basic premise of Pacquiao and his advisors in the Philippines was this – why should he take the same cut as Floyd Mayweather, Jr. when he’s more popular than Floyd Mayweather, Jr.?

 

The larger question no one has yet asked however should be directed at De La Hoya. If the final fight of his career is as important to him as he says it is why is he arguing over Pacquiao’s percentage of what has been projected to be a potential $100 million gross? Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, made clear that a 65-35 split would have satisfied Pacquiao and if that’s true, why is De La Hoya hung up on what in essence would amount to $5 million?

 

As it is, his promotional company figures to make another killing and so does De La Hoya, so refusing to give ground on what is probably money De La Hoya would only end up paying in taxes any way seems more of a power play in the area De La Hoya has grown to believe is most important – which is the money end of boxing rather than the business end of boxing.

 

The two sides admit De La Hoya agreed to fight the lightweight champion at 147 pounds, a weight he hasn’t made in seven years, and use eight-ounce gloves even though De La Hoya wanted 10 ounce ones. If winning the last fight of your career is central to what you’re about one would think the wealthiest man in boxing would be giving in on the money, as Sugar Ray Leonard did to lure Marvelous Marvin Hagler into the boxing ring, while holding firm on the issues that actually help decide who wins a fight.

 

Hagler was the only Leonard opponent ever to make more than he did in a match but the then middleweight champion gave in on the size of the ring and the fight distance, agreeing to 12 rounds when 15 were still in vogue.

 

Even those who believe Hagler won that night concede he traded off the most important things for a few more dollars. Now, it seems, De La Hoya is willing to do the same because, it would seem, he now believes the size of his purse is more important than the number of victories after his name.

 

De La Hoya had hoped to make his farewell fight the biggest of his career. He offered 140-pound champion Ricky Hatton the opportunity but he wisely turned it down, realizing De La Hoya’s superior size and strength would be too difficult to overcome.

 

Pacquiao, though smaller than Hatton, was willing to take the risk however because he believes De La Hoya will struggle to make 147 after failing to make 150 by a pound in May when he fought Steve Forbes. He and trainer Freddie Roach both feel Pacquiao has the power and the style to not only beat De La Hoya but to stop him in part because they do not believe he is the same fighter he once was.

 

But what Pacquiao has thus far refused to do is under price himself for the opportunity to do it and that seems to have baffled De La Hoya’s chief negotiator and CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, Richard Schaefer.

 

Schaefer argued that Pacquiao’s people were caught up in percentages rather than in the fact Pacquiao figured to earn between $10 million and $15 million when his previous high was only $5 million. Perhaps so but couldn’t the converse of that also be argued? Is not De La Hoya at least equally caught up in percentages after first insisting on a deal that would have split the money 70-30 only up to a certain gross, after which it would have been 80-20 in De La Hoya’s favor?

 

De La Hoya is the highest earning fighter in history, a boxing and business phenomenon who justly deserves all he’s made of himself. But the fact is Pacquiao is nearly as popular at this point in his career and is also the pound-for-pound champion Mayweather was when he out pointed De La Hoya because the six-time world champion waned in the final rounds of the fight.

 

No one in their right mind would argue Mayweather produced the kind of pay-per-view numbers Pacquiao has without the presence of De La Hoya in the ring with him and no one could argue he took a greater risk because while Mayweather began his career as a natural 130 pounder, Pacquiao began as a natural 106 pounder. So De La Hoya is asking a fighter arguably more popular at the box office than Mayweather and also a smaller man to take the same purse split as Mayweather under the apparent theory that, as Schaefer put it, he would need to fight three or four times to earn the same money.

 

So what? He’s a fighter after all, not an accountant. He fights for a living so the prospect of three or four more fights is hardly daunting to Pacquiao. Neither is the idea of fighting a guy who has been regularly campaigning at either 154 pounds or at 160 for the past seven years.

 

What was daunting however was to feel you’re pay is being decided by a multi-millionaire, part-time fighter who stands nearly a half foot taller, naturally outweighs you by 25 pounds and feels you’re not worth a nickel more than Floyd Mayweather, Jr. even though most boxing businessmen would argue Pacquiao is a bigger draw.

 

If De La Hoya really wants the fight money shouldn’t be what prevents it because he has plenty of that. What he doesn’t have much of are victories against the biggest names he’s faced. As of this morning Oscar De La Hoya has made more money than anyone in the history of boxing. He’s also lost to Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley twice, Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. He is Thomas Hearns with a bigger bank account.

 

De La Hoya doesn’t need an extra $5 million to end his career. He needs a big win over a big name opponent. If he wants the chance at it he’ll have to do what Ray Leonard did with Marvin Hagler. He’ll have to pay for it.

 

                                                           

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Victor:  Manny stick to your guns. You deserve a bigger split and have a lot more time on your side. I don't think De La Hoya has his heart in fighting; "it's business, which you can't fault him for? However, your a boxer with a lot more victories ahead of you, which equate to money. I love your fights Manny, cause you come to fight and you do it for the passion. I think if he does agree to fight you, his career could end in being knocked out. Personally I don't think Oscar should fight anymore.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:08:21 AM
Allan:  i believe that oscar dela hoya should fight manny pacquiao not for the money but for the fans. i agree that De La Hoya doesn’t need an extra $5 million to end his career. so 65-35 its ok fair for both fighters
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:39:35 AM
Sound&Fury:  I appreciate the kind words you have for the PacMan, Ron, but I must say, it was the GREED OF BOTH Manny and Oscar that derailed this fight, a real superfight if there ever was one. I know many so-called experts discount Manny's chances in this fight because he's "a midget" compared to DLH, but history shows us otherwise. 5′5″ Hank Armstrong routinely fought people who were much bigger than him. In fact, he gave 6 inches in height to Sugar Ray Robinson and 5 lbs. of weight when they fought. He got drubbed, yes, but it wasn’t a circus freak show either. Manny has a legit chance of putting a drubbing on an aging, yes, but nonetheless, fellow world-beating HOFamer. This is a superfight if I ever saw one, but GREED on the part of both camps, including the PacMan’s, got in the way. I hope the guy doesn’t rue the day he listened yet again to that inept lawyer who had him sign with both Arum AND Oscar. One day when your old Manny, I hope you don’t bang your head on the wall when you ask yourself : “what if…” What a sad day for boxing
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:41:58 AM
joey domingo:  "You hit the nail right on the head"
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:52:58 AM
JUN:  Oscar go...70/40....let Manny fight you...IF U HAVE D GUTS!!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:55:55 AM
Areglado:  Wow. Mr. Borges, I think you've officially outdone yourself with this one. That was beautifully argued.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:59:18 AM
Hubert:  Can't argue with you on this one. Well said! Thanks for this article.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:01:18 AM
John K. Gumilao:  That's Dela Hoya do this an incredible message that Dela Hoya ligths his mind not the money because he has a lot of that.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:02:58 AM
den:  great article. Astute and eloquent points. Hats off to u sir. Its ridiculous really that de la hoya is this greedy. 10%???? Wow! He will lose more money too taking on Mora instead of pacquiao. Last time I checked his last bout vs. Forbes sold like pancakes priced at $500 each. Nobody bought it!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:11:49 AM
mosaic:  let's make this happen!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:28:51 AM
yisra_el:  EXACTLY. Thank you for putting it into words and putting it out there... It's not that PacMan deserves more money. It's about PacMan deserves more of the share. For what he would be giving up and for what DLH is gonna get.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:45:37 AM
Jim:  Might this be a case with DLH floating the Sergio Mora fight and PacMan's people going to the press about the failed negotiations that they're just posturing pretending to 'take their ball and go home'? Any chance they'll "meet halfway" after they realize that neither can make as much money alone as they can together?
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:51:36 AM
Jojo Napala:  My point of view as a boxing fan is Oscar DelaHoya is coward. He knows that Manny Pacquiao will knock him out. This is really a nice fight that everybody would watch. This is a Mega fight and a crowd drawer fight but the problem is DelaHoya knows in his heart that he gonna be knockout. Hey, look at his last fight. Hes done man and old. Jocard
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:52:52 AM
jake:  no way is pacquiao a bigger draw than mayweather.... mayweather de best of all time...u crazy
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:15:23 AM
tharickz:  Screw you Oscar, you are the perfect example of a boxer turn into a businessman, your carrier will mostly be remembered not the way you started it but the way you have ended. You are just fighting for money. Show some balls the way you show it in the past and not the way you show it inside that fish net. ooopsss.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:18:32 AM
BigDaddy:  I'm sorry, but Mr. Borges is in full on spin mode.No disrespect to Manny,but he's not the "Big Box Office Draw" fhat some people think he is.Yes he is a virtual god in the Philippines but in the U.S. his last fight was far from an arena sell-out and the PPV buys were a mediocre 200k.Hardly a position of great strength.He should've taken the $10-$15m regardless of what DLH was going to make.I'm just glad this FARCE of a fight is off.BTW, Fraud retired because Goldie wouldn't give him more than 30% for the rematch.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:23:14 AM
psychopath:  I could never be happier that this fight didn't push through. It's a shame that people who calls themselves boxing fans are being thrilled and excited to see a 135 pounder takes on a 154 pounder. A circus act. Lol. De La Hoya should fight for a legit title for his last fight and stop thinking about money. He already have a lot .
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:30:31 AM
zamez:  My comment is that De la Hoya was really afraid by being stop by pacman because he believes that he has no longer effective at the wiegh of 147 pounds thats why he wants to get more advantage in the deal like the purse the gloves the height. I believe that if he will fight manny he will be the next mexican in the line of knockouts...
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:32:27 AM
PatRck:  BigDaddy, 200k PPV buys that was before he was stepping on LW division, and though DDiaz was not as popular in LW, It's true ODLH is a bigger name in PPV, but considering Mayweather and Pac, Pac still has the edge on PPV and still depends on opponents. Does mayweather jr. earns 5M+ per fight in his LW-Welterweight conquest before he was match up with ODLH? 60/40 or even 65/35 share should be fair for Pac, fighting a 147 from 135? its not easy though. 15-20+ is sitll better than 10-15mil :)
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:04:01 AM
Promoter:  Its not too late, DLH should agree to 65-35 split. Just Give in the 5% shared and its all done. This fight will be remembered in history books, we are lucky to see it on Dec. 6.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:04:15 AM
818kid:  Manny not in a million years should take the same cut that Floyd got. No doubt he's not a bigger draw than ODLH,but if Im Manny I'll throw my left cross at Oscar's face for offering the same deal as Fraud.lol!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:09:42 AM
mensa boy:  couldn't have said it better mr borges
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:10:13 AM
Jan Saceda:  Manny got far sell-out on his last fight because of his non-explosive opponent. Being the P4P champ, Pacman deserves to fight big names like ODLH. It should have been justifiable to pay him $20 M with that canceled fight. Team Pacquiao was looking for a fair split, and now looking for a decent fight this coming fall. That fight could be fight of the decade, the flashing Manny outclassing the OLD dela hoya.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:25:49 AM
Kelv:  i agree that ODLH is the draw here if the fight will happen. but what Mr. Borges tried to mean is that Manny-ODLH is more a crowd drawer coz people around the world will wander how Manny, the current P4P king, will fight against ODLH especially that the former has a huge weight disadvantage. thus, I think he deserves more than Mayweather, coz of the risk he is going to face. and the fight will not be boring unlike mAYWEAther-ODLH since pacquiao doesn't fight cowardly unlike Pretty Boy so i think the fight will sell more than the mayweather fight.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:29:51 AM
deaconspider:  From the looks of it. this " BigDaddy " doesn't know what he's talking about. I think he's an idiot. sorry for that ! The reason why Manny is insisting for a bigger purse is that he's really the underdog in this fight and his risking his boxing career on the line fighting a much bigger opponent. He may loose this fight but he really deserves to be paid at least $20m or more. Anyway not fighting ODLH wasn't a coward move for Manny. He's just preserving himself for a "Titanic" showdown with Ricky Hatton. The bottom line is ODLH lost this deal. It seem's like he's not after a victory and establishing himself as the greatest boxer of all time. He just want more Manny, oops.. i mean Money !!!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:35:01 AM
rickb:  i agree pacman is not as popular as we think he is 200k ppv proves it , pcaman needs oscar more than oscar needs him , so pathetic that the headline is pacman dumps oscar as if oscar was the one after pacman c'mon get real !
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:41:01 AM
uruk-hai:  Now you see Filipino pride at its best. If it had been some other guy from some other country I will bet they'd accept at 10-90 split just for the fight to happen. But as it is Pac is asking only what is fair and DLH is too greedy to give what is fair. Good move by Pac to shove DLH ass aside. Pac is a lot better than what DLH will ever be.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:45:02 AM
Critique:  by the way, Hagler was robbed against Leonard. In fact, Leonard refused to have a rematch that's why Hagler retired immediately after that fight.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:45:33 AM
Kumong-kumong:  Manny got a good reason to avoid the punishment. Bob, Pacman and Freddy finally realized their stupidity. That even though Manny will earn his biggest purse, it maybe his last.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:53:45 AM
Isaiah:  Mayweather retired because he didn't want anymore of Oscar. Manny is right by the way that Oscar should pay him royally for this crazy matchup. The cut should be 60-40 in Oscar's favor. Anything less is not worth Manny's time or health against such a larger opponent. So, is this finally the time where Oscar grows a pair and calls out Margartio or Cotto. ( Two men who Mayweather is scared the death of.) Truth be told, I'm being way to generous to Oscar's greed, this matchup should be 50/50. Here's a message I'm delivering from Manny fans to Oscar. F U!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:57:16 AM
drod:  100% agree.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:58:22 AM
Michael A. Escalada:  Manny should fight the winner between Guzman and Campbell,the time has come for him to unify the lightweight belt.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 05:03:20 AM
oubox:  Pacquiao had outsmart oscar twice. first when he rejected him to be his boss for Golden Boy promotion and now he refuses to compromise with oscar's unfair conditon.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 05:18:58 AM
kartog:  Although I thought I didn't want to see this fight, now that it's off somehow I feel disappointed.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 05:37:29 AM
pinoy:  whats important here who is really the real and true pound for pound, dont think too much of that huge money, both parties can earn it from a big crowd who are willing to see the most awaited pounds for pounds of boxing history, just cut our pride due to money, lets see it and enjoy our funs , and you can remain and retain the history and legacy of the two great fighter.. LETS WATCH on DECEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 05:50:25 AM
JACKSON:  IV BEEN PRAYING THIS FIGHT WONT HAPPEN IT WAS MIS MATCH OF THE YEAR IM A BIG PACMAN FAN AND ID RATHER WATCH HIM FIGHT JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ AGAIN THAT FIGHT WOULD BRING AS MUCH MONEY BECUASE THEY ARE SO EVENLY MATCHED
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:03:10 AM
CoolArth:  We'll Ron is right Oscar is a looser. He never won against big names. Now is the time to face a fighter with big name, not only in the Philippines but in Asia. He already have big advantage in size and weight, now he wanted to have an advantage in purse. Poor Oscar, he's maybe wealthy but the respect as a fighter, diminished. Hey, Oscar wake-up and fight Manny, he's the crowd draw not you! You can't bring your money when your dead. Be a man enough to fight the best fighter in the world. May be you don't have the balls to do so. You're a big sorry to the boxing world. You made a poor decision of giving Manny only 30%. Manny won't bite it. Manny only showed he is a real fighter, even with odds so big he want all his fans to enjoy and be entertained. With Manny we are getting our Money's worth. With you, its useless to watch a looser. Be courageous enough to fight a real fighter. If you want to exit with flying colours, fight MEGAMANNY!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:04:48 AM
jundurias:  50/50 share between manny and oscar is ideal. 65/35 is obiously an insult to manny.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:23:45 AM
PATS:  OSCAR WOULD BE THINKING MORE ON HIS RETIREMENT PLANS THAT IS WHY HE IS ASKING HEAVEN FROM MANNY...IM SURE HE WILL ASK FOR RE-NEGOTIATION WITH PACQUIAO..ID BET YA! - PACQUIAO IS THE MONEY MAN THAT HE CAN HAVE NOW
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:23:46 AM
carlos primero:  hey guys, i believed oscar dela hoya is afraid of the PACMAN.thus he insisted in having the 70-30 sharing because oscar knew well that with this offer THE PACMAN WILL NOT AGREE. this is one way of hiding oscar's tail. he he he
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:26:13 AM
iriga city boy:  If this fight,in finality,won't go,blame it on Oscar,not on Pacquiao.Oscar is already a multimillionare.He made a killing in boxing tenfold times.He is a shrewd businessman.Why doesn't he make a sensible offer to Pacquiao to satisfy that man's calling?Oscar is the draw,no question about that.And we know that,so too,Pacquiao.Pacquiao is risking his limbs to rumble with this "Latino Goliath"and the Filipino should not be compensated with crumbs and peanuts.If Oscar cares about the future of boxing,then pay up good.Not this 70-30 insult to the pound for pound dynamo from the Philippines.If a Filipino is good at his trade or endeavour,he should not be compensated with a "bazooka bubble gum",but with a tasty and simmering fillet mignon.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:33:08 AM
antonio :  There is no need for this fight to continue its boring! bring along valero for pacquiao that is the world want to see, give the people what they want! oscar is to old and big for pacquiao, and to the promoters please bring us good fights for the sake of boxing and let us not all be money oriented. people like excitement so bring in valero for pacquiao... we want to see how valero will be demolishe by our nationa boxing hero!!! antonio
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:48:54 AM
YODiSHUTA:  i agree.... 5million is nothing for oscar..why does he want too much...in fact he got all the advantage... the biggest fight oscar could have is only manny and nothing else...manny is the most popular boxer today... compare to pavlik? jones? calzaghe? margarito? naahhh!! they are all nothing compare to pacquiao's popularity.. beside, pacman is the most exciting fighter today....
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:49:02 AM
dfixer:  you are correct -- odlh is sooo over-rated, he hasn't beaten the bigger-names. and it wasn't just about money but odlh was actually trying to negotiate 2 clauses: no kd, no ko please please. he was trying to negotiate pacman not to knock him down or out. but pacman is just too hungry every fight for a kd or ko so he said to odlh to GFY and the fight is off.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:06:28 AM
Toto:  The last fight of Dela Hoya against smaller man Forbes was so boring while Pacquiao's last fight against Diaz was full of excitement. What is that Oscar is bragging about. If I were to decide, it should be 65-45 in favor of Pacquiao. Nobody wants to see Oscar fight anymore these days. People are looking for action-packed fight like the kind Pacquiao always shows to his legion of fans. Intelligent viewers don't need good looking boxers. Aggressive, non-stop, never-say-die boxers is what mature audience wants. Oscar can't deliver anymore the kind of fight he performs several years ago. Are you not ashamed to tell your fans of your greediness for money. Pacquiao has more followers than you.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:07:24 AM
johnny a ballpals cdo:  yes, i believe Oscar has a huge margin of advantages as far as the boxing is concern. Oscar is much bigger, strong and one of the best boxing icon in the world weve ever known. i respect Oscar a lot because of that. And to tell you, i was a fun of Oscar long before when he become the WBO lighwieght champ.But here comes Manny Pacquiao, a phenomenon fighter, one of the best and the no.1 pound-4-pound fighter today, If Oscar really wanted to end up his boxing career with a classic fight and to be remembered forever, i think Manny is the guy to put on the show come Dec. 6. provided that all posibilities in the purse must be done accordingly. If Manny ask something for this fight 60-40 is still pretty good. I know Oscar can handle that, money is nothing for him but the most important is the reputation as a world champion, the name Oscar De le Hoya that we've known in boxing history, the boxing career and the legacy that Oscar can utter to the boxing world is the most genuine thing Oscar can offer. My heart belongs to manny because i am a filipino and i really respect a national treasure of the Philippines and the filipino people but my money goes to Oscar when both fighters tangled on Dec. 6 if the fight goes on at 147. Oscar is to much for Manny for that weights but if the limit goes down to 140, then i'll pick manny all the way.....my money goes to siete -diez for pacquiao.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:14:29 AM
johnny a ballpals cdo:  yes, i believe Oscar has a huge margin of advantages as far as the boxing is concern. Oscar is much bigger, strong and one of the best boxing icon in the world weve ever known. i respect Oscar a lot because of that. And to tell you, i was a fun of Oscar long before when he become the WBO lighwieght champ.But here comes Manny Pacquiao, a phenomenon fighter, one of the best and the no.1 pound-4-pound fighter today, If Oscar really wanted to end up his boxing career with a classic fight and to be remembered forever, i think Manny is the guy to put on the show come Dec. 6. provided that all posibilities in the purse must be done accordingly. If Manny ask something for this fight 60-40 is still pretty good. I know Oscar can handle that, money is nothing for him but the most important is the reputation as a world champion, the name Oscar De le Hoya that we've known in boxing history, the boxing career and the legacy that Oscar can utter to the boxing world is the most genuine thing Oscar can offer. My heart belongs to manny because i am a filipino and i really respect a national treasure of the Philippines and the filipino people but my money goes to Oscar when both fighters tangled on Dec. 6 if the fight goes on at 147. Oscar is to much for Manny for that weights but if the limit goes down to 140, then i'll pick manny all the way.....my money goes to siete -diez for pacquiao.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:22:42 AM
delpilar:  very good article.................. manny will earn his due thru other fights. smaller purses but bigger where it matter most - to the pride, dignity & self worth of manny pacquiao. oscar can keep his dream $70M, but only in his dream.........................
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:27:40 AM
d:  THE FIGHT AGAINST BALDOMIR DID OVER 400K IN PPV, THE FIGHT W/ GATTI DID 450K IN PPV(GATTI WAS IN HIS 1ST PPV ALSO). THE FIGHT WITH JUDAH DID OVER 400K. SO WITHOUT OSCAR OR HATTON IN 3 PPV'S MAYWEATHER SOLD OVER 1.25 MILLION PPV'S. MANNY ISNT EVEN CLOSE. SO THAT IS BALDOMIR (NO AMERICANS KNEW HIM) 400K JUDAH COMING OFF A LOSS FOR USELESS BELT 400K MAYWEATHER - GATTI IN FIRST PPV 400K MANNY DID LESS THAN 200K IN LAST FIGHT COMING OFF AN EPIC BATTLE W/ MARQUEZ. YEAH HE IS MORE PROFITABLE THAN MAYWEATHER.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:38:04 AM
SandMan:  First I disagree that Pacquiao is a bigger box office draw than PBF if PBF would announce his return to boxing Pacquiao would be lost in the crowd. However I do agree that De la hoya should go the route that Ray Leonard did with Marvin Hagler.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:58:02 AM
Smith:  Pacquiao's last PPV may not be that good but as well as De La Hoya's last fight against Forbes, that is what happened when you don't have a big name opponent. Its the match up that draws people to watch the fight and this Pacquiao vs De La Hoya has the potential to break the all time records. People won't see this fight just because of De La Hoya or only because of Pacquiao. They will see this fight because of the match up of both fighters, so I think the 60-40 purse should be just right and Pacquiao deserves it. Anything less than that is not fair, considering all the risk Pacquiao would take to face the bigger man. But honestly, should this fight happen, I see Pacquiao winning by late stoppage TKO!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:00:38 AM
d loves to suck a big fat burrito:  lolz ur funny d, heres a fact for you trilogy between manny and morales 1,200,000 plus buys, rematch with barrera 400,000 buys, rematch with marquez close to 500,000 buys, and also add his buys fighting unknown fighters: solis, larios, diaz, close to 1,000,000. Thats with out Hatton and Oskee.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:01:47 AM
rudy:  Agree that the PacMan is doing the right thing, so what if he is turning down big $$$ it aint a fair shake -- 70-30?? No way, 60-40 -- Oscar is one greedy SOB -- starting to look like the Brett Favre of boxing this week. Oscar needs to step up one last time and fight MARGARITO, what excuse is there now?
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:10:19 AM
Anony:  ::::::::: MY ADVICE TO OSCAR AND PACQUIAO ::::::::: Why money is such an important issue? Just negotiate half the way and do the fight. I understand the weight difference and bla, bla, bla but the truth is that they both need this fight. Oscar should focus on retiring with a big fight against the new p4p king... and if Pacquiao wins, history will never forget him as the man who fought DLH's last fight.... SO WHAT IS IT MORE IMPORTANT, MONEY OR GLORY???? IN 10 TO 20 YEARS THEY WILL LOOK BACK AND FIND OUT THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT THIS FIGHT. MONEY SHOULD NOT BUY GLORY, EVER.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:11:17 AM
JAmes:  POOR Manny PacQuiao after all of his achievment's and recognition's he is STILL an ignorant or no education guy.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:17:47 AM
pinoy:  Oscar doesnt need the money. he needs self respect. to ask a guy to fight him who is way smaller than he is and rip him off is just showing that oscar is just another made man blinded by the almighty dollar who has lost his self respect. You want the biggest fight of your life oscar? pay for it. you dont need the money, respeto is what you need, then maybe, you can retire with a bang, a banged up face beaten by our manny. go manny. wag kang magbabago. God Bless.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:20:30 AM
mel:  if i was manny i would do it for free..oscar is a bum and it doesnt matter what size the gloves are..oscar will get knocked out..see you later oscar ..all you are about is the money anyway..manny is going to give you an ass whippin anyway..i wish it was for free
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:26:22 AM
S.O.T.Righthand:  Oscar is a Joke... A 60-40 Split is reasonable when you asking a fighter who started his career at 108 pounds, and on top of that you are asking a fighter to pack on another 12 pounds to face you! Oscar is known for getting his own way, but come on!! He bailed on the fight because he realizes that there is a strong possibility of another loss on his record. Now Oscar is targeting Sergio Mora!!!! BORING! Now that is Oscar thinking after he's has thrown names out there like Cotto, Margarito, PacMan, Trinidad, and he seems to be settling for pillow throwing Mora? I bet Mora gets beat by Forrest in there rematch! Oscar has lost his credibility with his fans... The richest man in professional Boxing history is squabbling over 5%... Looks like Oscar is going out on beating a no-hoper like Mora.. Oh-well.. When Forrest beats Mora, maybe Oscar will call out someone like Michael Katsidis? Who knows, Who cares...
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:28:59 AM
HBO 24/7 Countdown:  Mayweather v Gatti 375000 buys Mayweather v Judah 365000 buys Mayweather v Baldomir 325000 buys. Venue: America Mayweather: American Pacquiao: Filipino
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:33:53 AM
Big boy:  i love Manny, but he made a bad decision. De La Hoya gave in to fight at 147lb and will use 8ox gloves instead of 10oz. All he had to do is take the contract and it would be the biggest fight of his carreer. He even said he is also close to retirement and want to be in gov. office. Not only would he made between 10-15 mill. But he will be the one to finished the great Oscar De la Hoya's career. This is probably the only fight that will draw that kind of money. Soto vs Pacman = nothing. Casamayor vs pacman = nothing. De La Hoya vs Pacman = $$$ and a legacy.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:35:47 AM
sherman:  great article!!!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:41:19 AM
Real Deal:  I'm not a fan of Pacquiao but I will say I respect him so much more now that he decided not to go along with Oscar's stupid a** game. I also see that Freddie Roach wanted and still wants the fight more then Pacquiao. Freddie is a greedy guy just like Oscar. Freddie will sell his fighters and his sole for money. When Oscar hired him to train him for Mayweather, Freddie sold out Pacquiao, Vasquez, Lazcano, Martirosyan and other fighters to go with the money. Money can't buy pride and respect. Also can we get something straight I'm a fan of Cotto and I do like Margarito but there's no way in the world that Mayweather is afraid of Cotto. Oscar can run but now he can't hide. He has to fight someone close to his size and whoever he picks and I don't care if it's Verno Phillips, It's a dangerous fight for Oscar. I can see him now picking 2 guys now he could possibly get by and that's Zab "PUNKA**)JUDAH or CORY SPINKS. Spinks can't crack an egg. The public can put pressure on him to fight Margarito.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:59:12 AM
julio:  Borges make a lot of sense. Percentages and money aside, Oscar needs Manny a lot more tha the other way around. Think about it. Who is Oscar going to fight now that would generate the same interest? Unless he fights Margarito or Cotto, there is no one else out there. Try making some money out of a Segio Mora fight. Hehehe. I like the guy but it just won't work. So now, what is he going to do? Fight in a wrestling match? Fight in the UFC? d, what are you really saying, man? You call Broges an idiot-I could understand that line. What comes next is kinda gibberish you know. If Borges is an idiot, I wonder what the word is for you.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:59:59 AM
razel:  ODLH IS SO VERY GREED IN THAT ACTION, 70-30 ITS UNFAIR ENOUGH. HOW ABOUT DELA HOYA VS VLADIMIR KLITSCHKO OR LENOX LEWIS, IS HE AGREE TO FIGHT WITH ONLY. 30%. ODLH IS NOT TOO BRAVE, CAN HE CHALLENGE LENOX LEWIS?.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:07:17 AM
Solo:  I agree with Borges. Although Mayweathers pay-per-view buys dwarf that of Pacquiao's, can Mayweather stop violence and crime throughout a nation of 90.5 million when he fights? I know this doesn't have much to do with how many PPV sales he makes, but does anybody know if the PPV sales are counted world-wide? Appreciate the info guys.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:09:01 AM
BOEIMACHO:  I RESPECT PAQUIAO'S DECISION. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY BUT FAIRNESS. DE LA HOYA IS TOO GREEDY AND OPPORTUNIST OF HIM BEING POPULAR. WELL, PAQUAIO TAUGHT HIM A LESSON. I HOPE HE WILL GET A BIGGER FIGHT, BIGGER THAN AGAINST MANNY BEFORE HE WILL RETIRE. HE JUST LOST MILLIONS, RESPECT AND FANS.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:32:51 AM
cezpel:  Any other fight de la Hoya makes other than with Margarito will not generate the same kind of interest than one with Pacquiao.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:45:42 AM
robert:  manny is good for now, pound for pound for now, but there be only one money mayweather,let him enjoy his status while it lasts, i love manny so much but with comparisson to f.m.w,money mayweather its sad news ,pleety boy aint oscar, he might come from retirement to prove athing, to reclaim his pound for pound belt that he lent to manny, wacth da space, lastly it was so bad for manny,s camp to base their negotiation on mayweathers fight with oscar,manny is manny , oscar, is oscar, and money mayweather is plety.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:46:36 AM
c::  d:, YOUR ARE FORGETTING THAT PAC IS A LOT SMALLER THAN MAYWEATHER. PEOPLE TENDS TO IGNORE FIGHTERS THAT ARE COMPETING IN A SMALLER WEIGHT CLASS. PLUS, DIAZ IS FAR LESS FAMOUS THAN JUDAH, BALDOMIR (AFTER BEATING JUDAH), AND GATTI. MARQUEZ WAS KNOWN AS A GREAT FIGHTER BUT NOT NEARLY AS FAMOUS AS JUDAH OR GATTI BUT FIGHTING PACQUIAO MADE HIM A SUPERSTAR. PAC IS ASKING FOR MORE MONEY BECAUSE HE IS TAKING HIGHER RISK THAN MAYWEATHER. WE ALL KNOW HE ALWAYS COME TO FIGHT THEREFORE HE IS NOT GOING TO PULL MAYWEATHER ON DELAHOYA, RUNNING ALL NIGHT TO AVOID DAMAGE. THEREFORE, PAC IS TAKING HIGHER RISK.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:55:50 AM
Rico:  Round 1: The negotiations and battle of minds. Round 2: The fight in the ring. If I am Manny, I wound not take anything less than what I want in round 1. I would not let Oscar beat me in the mind games. Negotiations on terms and purses are part of "setting up your opponent". The Pilipino "proof" of greatness in boxing has arrived and as such Manny should stand firm on his demands. He cannot let himself be treated as 'LESS" than Oscar on this one. Forget the past as only the present matters, Oscar is downwards as he is retiring and Manny is upward and the two points should meet in equal terms. 50-50 period.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:03:58 AM
htman:  so who else you guys thinks is better than pacquiao right now to draw the crowds..marga??,, mora??.. you all must not looking at this whole thing fairly and knowledgeably... besides osky..who else is next biggest draw??/ dummies....
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:09:34 AM
J-Dog:  For me it all comes down to this......I would have loved to watch this fight. This fight was projected to gross millions of dollars...and for true boxing fans I believe this fight gets us excited...This fight is great for boxing! We all know that.....Margarito vs. De La Hoya would be just as great but De La Hoya don't want that fight. I would pay anything to watch PAC Man and De La Hoya because its the best we're gonna get as true boxing fans......now I hear De La Hoya is in talks to fight Sergio Mora....What is that??????? I love boxing, but thats just a fight I wouldn't waste 5 dollars on it = BORING!!!! Do you all feel the same? GIve Manny another 5% I bet that will work!!!!!Cause De La Hoya vs. Mora won't make jack!!!!!!!!!!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:13:13 AM
extreme:  If dela hoya wants to end his career with a bang, he shoud disregard his greed for money. Pacman is also a draw and he should also get what is his due. He is going to fight a much bigger and taller dela hoya so risking his health should have an additional price. The split of 70/30 is fair if he is going to fight same his size but on a fighter who previously 106 lbs, 65/35 is fair enough!.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:20:59 AM
#1 pacfan P4P KING:  I'm really disappointed in Pacquaio for becoming a money fighter rather than be the people's fighter like he used to be. He let the money go over his head and that's not where he should be at right now. I understand the percentages argument, he is (Pacman) risking his whole career to fight DLH and he wants to make sure he gets the most out of this fight. But why even think about this fight? It's all about money and that has disappointed me.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:23:16 AM
Smith:  I just don't understand why Schaefer is making a big deal of the two points that they gave in according to him such as the 8oz and 147lbs! Come-on Cotto vs Margarito used the 8oz, what the heck! And everybody knows that this fight can only be made at 147lbs because of their big weight disparity. So stop claiming that they already gave in too for Pacquiao. If this fight won't happen because of unfair 70/30 split purse, Pacquiao may lose a potential big amount of money but the reality is everyone lose also including De La Hoya. This fight has simply the potential to break the all time records. I bet that De La Hoya's potential earning of 60% with Pacquiao would be a lot bigger compared to even 70%-80% with any fighter except Hatton. So for GBP, stop implying that only Pacquiao will lose money here! Mind you that British people will also be drag into this fight because Pacquiao is perceived to be the next opponent of Hatton, if not farewell as well. Can you imagined how many elite fighters have and could have retired by Pacquiao, another thing for history and legendary status. De La Hoya, make this fight possible by 60/40 split purse, which is just fair for everyone. Pacquiao by late stoppage!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:24:55 AM
#1 pacfan P4P KING:  I believe also that Pacquaio is a bigger draw than Mayweather, PBF only drew American boxing fans and Pacquaio drew in all of the boxing fans(Americans, Filipinos, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, etc...) If this was to happen it would destroy PPV buys.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:29:34 AM
LeonardoMarroquini:  NO it aint true, The Baldomir fight did about 300k buys. Pacquiao has a huge following and is a big draw.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 10:33:52 AM
POKMAN:  Oscar I RESPECTED YOU ONCE. NOW U SUCK!!!! YOU need Pacquiao MORE to JUSTIFY YOUR so-called LEGACY THAN PACQUIAO needs you. I'M GLAD HE DUMP YOUR SORRY A@SS. MANNY already established himself as P4P KING. Instead you'll have a mini-fight against LOSER MORA. WHAT A JOKE!!!! NO ONE WILL WATCH THAT FIGHT! COUNT ON THAT!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 11:03:10 AM
Radam G:  Wow! Don't you love the NET? From anywhere in the world, one can get his communication on. "It is all about money, ain't a darn thing fun," quoting some lyric from a 1980-something song. Big Money O is too much big money split. Pera Pac is the true drawing card and was not going for this. Now I just hope that Rick "Fatton" Hatton gets pass Paulie Magginaggi -- always breaking his hands or cutting those fake dreadlocks. The Money fight that is going to break off records will be PacMan Pacquiao against FatMan Hatton. This bout will be huge in money and in viewing audience. And Manny will win. Y'all musta' fo'got, it's PINOY TIME! Holla from these bore bouts in China!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 11:47:58 AM
Radam G:  Wow! Don't you love the NET? From anywhere in the world, one can get his communication on. "It is all about money, ain't a darn thing fun," quoting some lyric from a 1980-something song. Big Money O is too much big money split. Pera Pac is the true drawing card and was not going for this. Now I just hope that Rick "Fatton" Hatton gets pass Paulie Magginaggi -- always breaking his hands or cutting those fake dreadlocks. The Money fight that is going to break off records will be PacMan Pacquiao against FatMan Hatton. This bout will be huge in money and in viewing audience. And Manny will win. Y'all musta' fo'got, it's PINOY TIME! Holla from these bore bouts in China!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 11:48:29 AM
GPenilla:  I predict that this fight will still push through. There is simply too much money at stake that ODLH, the businessman and Pacquiao, the businessman cannot ignore. Obviously, even at 30% share, Pacman will have the biggest payday of his career, but for "pride's sake" he wants to send a message to Oscar that he deserves proper recognition. He is more than willing to get a much lesser payday fighting Soto as long as his self-respect remains intact. He feels insulted by the 30% offer. Being a superstar in his own right, he just cannot allow to be pushed around even by a bigger superstar. Remember, he is a Filipino Macho Man. Heck; he said before, that he'll fight Soto even for free just to avenge his brother. ODLH knows he is the brightest star in all of boxing and wants to tell Manny he is in charge. He is the MAN calling the shots. As if to say, take it or leave it, I can fight any warm body and have 1 million PPV hits. However, after all these posturing, both know they need each other. Manny to get his biggest payday and the chance to be installed among the greatest boxers of all time and solidify his claim as the P4P king. Win or lose, Manny will have everything to gain. He knows that more doors will be opened for him after fighting Oscar regardless of the outcome. Of course, a win will provide Manny a lot of mind boggling opportunities. For Oscar, the boxer, this fight might not be much for him to brag about but an impressive and devastating win against the P4P king, albeit undersized, will, at least, in Oscar's mind, satisfy his dream of ending his illustrious career in the blaze of glory. An overwhelming victory capped by a crushing knockout will feed his ego and prove all his detractors, especially Roach, wrong. It will also confirm his status as the slickest boxing promoter. He also knows that other than Mayweather (who is retired) and Margarito (whom he will not fight) Manny is the only boxer in the planet today who can provide him with an unprecedented mega fight that can rake in untold millions of dollars making him closer to his goal of billionaire businessman. So, at the end of the day, we will see Oscar and Manny on December 6 giving all their best for the fans at MGM. I would not even be surprised if the split will be closer to 40/60 than 30/70 just to make it happen. I bet there are backdoor negotiations going on as we speak. However, having said all these, Oscar probably is having cold feet and realized that Roach knows a little too much about him and the last thing he needs is a farewell fight ending on his back. So by sticking to a ridiculously low ball offer that he knows Pacquiao will never accept he found an “honorable” way out of a potential disaster. If we follow Schaefer’s percentage argument, he not only failed college logic but also elementary math. He also miserably underestimated Pacquiao’s pride.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 11:57:23 AM
Yuvie:  Just shows what a class act Pacquiao is. I'm glad he wasn't forced into this fight and he didn't just do it for the money. Besides, I'd rather see Pacquiao against a Hatton or unifying the lightweight division. Good on you, Pacquiao.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 12:02:51 PM
longkalog71:  dela hoya might take juan manuel marquez for his final fight.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 12:03:50 PM
Robert Curtis:  I don't believe Manny vs. Oscar is totally out any more than I believe Money May is in permanent retirement. Manny and ODLH will get back to the table and make this fight. If not, then Oscar is using the money issue to hide the fact he's scared the smaller man will whup his old self good. My prediction: The fight will get set and Manny will beat Oscar in UD, then Money will come back to face Manny in a tremendous fight.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:05:30 PM
Robert Curtis:  Also, I'm sure Oscar can get Margarito cheaper, but what he'll make up in $$, he'll get back in grief.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:06:49 PM
Gpenilla:  I predict that this fight will still push through. There is simply too much money at stake that ODLH, the businessman and Pacquiao, the businessman cannot ignore. Obviously, even at 30% share, Pacman will have the biggest payday of his career, but for "pride's sake" he wants to send a message to Oscar that he deserves proper recognition. He is more than willing to get a much lesser payday fighting Soto as long as his self-respect remains intact. He feels insulted by the 30% offer. Being a superstar in his own right, he just cannot allow to be pushed around even by a bigger superstar. Remember, he is a Filipino Macho Man. Heck; he said before, that he'll fight Soto even for free just to avenge his brother. ODLH knows he is the brightest star in all of boxing and wants to tell Manny he is in charge. He is the MAN calling the shots. As if to say, take it or leave it, I can fight any warm body and have 1 million PPV hits. However, after all these posturing, both know they need each other. Manny to get his biggest payday and the chance to be installed among the greatest boxers of all time and solidify his claim as the P4P king. Win or lose, Manny will have everything to gain. He knows that more doors will be opened for him after fighting Oscar regardless of the outcome. Of course, a win will provide Manny a lot of mind boggling opportunities. For Oscar, the boxer, this fight might not be much for him to brag about but an impressive and devastating win against the P4P king, albeit undersized, will, at least, in Oscar's mind, satisfy his dream of ending his illustrious career in the blaze of glory. An overwhelming victory capped by a crushing knockout will feed his ego and prove all his detractors, especially Roach, wrong. It will also confirm his status as the slickest boxing promoter. He also knows that other than Mayweather (who is retired) and Margarito (whom he will not fight) Manny is the only boxer in the planet today who can provide him with an unprecedented mega fight that can rake in untold millions of dollars making him closer to his goal of billionaire businessman. So, at the end of the day, we will see Oscar and Manny on December 6 giving all their best for the fans at MGM. I would not even be surprised if the split will be closer to 40/60 than 30/70 just to make it happen. I bet there are backdoor negotiations going on as we speak. However, having said all these, Oscar probably is having cold feet and realized that Roach knows a little too much about him and the last thing he needs is a farewell fight ending on his back. So by sticking to a ridiculously low ball offer that he knows Pacquiao will never accept he found an “honorable” way out of a potential disaster. If we follow Schaefer’s percentage argument, he not only failed college logic but also elementary math. He also miserably underestimated Pacquiao’s pride.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:33:23 PM
d:  stop w. the oversees Markets they do not pay PPV. They are on free TV. They pay a liscencing fee. Pac man is NOT a bigger DRAW than Mayweather and anyone who even attempts to say that has an obvious bias. I love Pacquiao but he is not a huge draw. He should have taken the fight. he can triple his highest check. That fight is a hard sell because as soon as you see them together you will see how much bigger Oscar is.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:36:58 PM
Charity Donation:  Why not just make the revenue split to 60 / 30 having the 10 percent donated to charity?
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:50:38 PM
ANTIGUA Island:  Hello everyone,I am a big fan of boxing especially to manpac...I hear about this argument for a months now...things are going uglier because of the greediness of de la hoya about money, the truth of the matter is he does"nt want to fight manpac not only for the reason of money but also he dont want to put his name in the line as a next "MLV"mexicans legend victim."He realized that now.manny pacquiao has a plenty of money way back to philippines, for manny ,to fight de la hoya is more fame.MANNY IS A FIGHTER NOT A PROMOTER NOR A TRAINOR,HE IS NUMBER ONE POUND 4 POUND BEST IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD, HE IS THE GOD OF BOXING.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 01:54:33 PM
Anonymous user:  I'll say it again, Pacquiao has 2 KO LOSSES to obscure Philippine fighters! He should be talking about avenging them now that he is at the highest point of his career. What could benefit his legacy more than beating the men who put knock out losses on his record. Lennox Lewis is often praised for the fact that he avenged his only losses against the men who beat him.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 02:52:02 PM
You Wish:  Good analysis. ODLH simply chickened out. We can't blame him. Boxers when they get old naturally chickens out against young ones....ODLH is exhibit 1 and exhibit 2.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:14:11 PM
gani:  WITH WEIGHT ISSUE..DLH SHAME ON YOU..YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO MAKE IT AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION..IT'S SLAPS YOUR FACE AS BEING A "COWARD BULLY"..MEET 147lbs WITH NO DISCUSSION.. WITH REGARDS TO GLOVES..YOUR LIKE A BIG KID WHO'S SCARED TO FIGHT WITH A SMALLER BOY..IF YOUR A TRUE SPORTSMAN, USE 10oz..AND LET THE SMALLER KID USE HIS USUAL 8oz...IT'S JUST PATHETIC..THE WORLD IS LOOKING @ YOU. WITH REGARDS TO MONEY..THE BIGGEST CROOK WHO BEATS BOXING RECORD IN THE PAST..
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:15:17 PM
Yuvie:  Come on d, you gotta look at it like this. If you're gonna take the fight against a big guy like that then it's gotta be worth your money. Forget tripling it, I'd want to quadruple it. Like many people have said, Manny risks getting really badly hurt in this fight, you know he's not gonna back down if he's hurt and even though Oscar's old, he's still gonna come into the fight to try and hurt Manny. Afterall, he does dislike Manny. I love what Pacquiao's done. Now Oscar will find it hard to bully someone into a fight. I would like to see Margarito, a coward also, beat Oscar up cause Margarito's runnin just like Oscar.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:31:15 PM
rudy:  That's ridiculous - Margarito running? BS! He's at the peak of his career why not go for the big $$$? Williams isnt that big of draw (due to the loss to Quintana) and well known name to generate a payday that you get fighting Oscar. And he still could fight Williams with the $4mil offer Goosen threw out there for him, but why settle for $4mil when he could get 4x times against Oscar?
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 03:59:08 PM
boxer:  I'm glad Pacman and Oscar are not going to do it. I didn't want to see Manny get KOd. Sure he's fast but Oscar is much faster than David Diaz too. I remember Gatti getting beat up when he tried to fight DLH. Stick to the lightweights Manny. They're some real good ones out there that you may not be able to beat. Joan Guzman, Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell and Julio Diaz or pretty good fighters. Take one of those guys.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 04:35:01 PM
donputo69:  good move by pacquiao...there better fights in the future for the P4P king...as for dlh?....man up and fight margarito....thats all i have to say....holla back!!!!!!!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 06:47:27 PM
Erudite:  A 65-30 or 60-35 split with the winner taking the additional 5%.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:07:32 PM
mark:  I think Oscar wants an easy way out of his great career with a bulk of money in his pocket and as the fight with pacquiao was quit, i think he's making a big purse for him coz he knows that pacquiao at this point is in winnable situation in their match i dont think he has all the advantage. Thats why his making a great demand coz he bet his career and his status as a boxer in here
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:23:08 PM
BIG DAWG:  You almost had me Mr Borges. ALMOST. By comparing Oscar to Thomas Hearns you pushed too far, showed your prejudice and thus de-valued the premise of your argument. We would all love to see ODLH fight one last real fight. Might as well be a grand farewell where everybody gets to make lots of money. The reason the lucky (and Manny should take the offer) opponent makes the big money is because of Oscar. The Man beat Julio Ceasar Chavez twice, Pernell Whitaker, Camacho, Fernando Vargas, Ike Quartey and in many peoples eyes Trinadad as well. Now I love Thomas Hearns but in Tommy's 61 wins he LOST to every big name in every big fight except Roberto Duran. Oscar is an intelligent articulate (still good looking) world beater who was KOed once. Tommy, well......damn, you look it up. Great fighter. One of the best. But Thomas Hearns with a bigger bank account ?? Not even close. He was and still is the Golden BOY .
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:36:29 PM
bob :  i think oscar insists 70-30 becuz he plans to pay excess weights. he is thinking not to make the weight for him not to KO by pac. oscar now is more a businessman than a fighter mentality.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 07:39:44 PM
stingray:  Accept the 70 - 30 split if ODLH beat MP and 50 - 50 split if the outcome is the other way around. Make sense? I think so, End of argument
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:11:51 PM
alex l garcia:  dela hoya is a very greedy person..its like he fight and loose......then he earns more than tha person who beat him badly.. thats all i have to say bcoz if that fight happened i already see the outcome of that fight. dela hoyas smile will never be the same......................
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:14:10 PM
john tour/ setoyota:  Hey! You know what! Dela hoya should give 50 - 50 for pacquiao it's obviously that pacquiao is more popular on this fight and more wins compare to Dela hoya and beside manny pacquiao is # 1 P4P today. Why Dela hoya make more alibai! he is been COWARD to face the trough manny pacquiao now. what a shame for him. Dela hoya will be forgotten for this " LEGENDARY NO MORE " ...stk...stk...
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:30:53 PM
Sodamn Insane:  Greedy Greedy Greedy ODLH worships himself and money and wants his opponents to be his Byats . crying over 5 Mil if the fights makes a 100 million he wants 80 million like what he did with Mayweather thats why he retired . ODLH wants to give Pacman 15 million including PPV revenue. and he gets the rest of the 100 million . Remmember GoldenBoy is part owner of the Pacman so ODLH will get a percentage of Pacmans purse . Greedy Indeed this guy is going to hell . Pacman has more integrity then this fishnet posser.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:35:40 PM
piangot gaylon:  Well, what can I say is that De la hoya really needs money due to hard times in the US economy now a days. If it is true that DLH is wealthy enough, I dont see any reason why he will not agree on 65/35 split.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 08:50:58 PM
jun:  GBP still thinks that they could buy Manny Pacquaio with a million dollar, they had tried before when Manny landed @ LAX from Manila. But they ended up in litigation and finally settled for co promoting Manny Pacquaio with Bob Arum. Manny still have years of boxing and would still earn million of dollar by true boxing, while Oscar de la Hoya earn money by shadow boxing and doesn't really fight as a real boxer recently. Boxing isn't about money for Manny it's about pride and principle. If he is after the money he won't return the million dollar Oscar gave him at Los Angeles just to sign up for GBP. Why don't they do it @ 50-50 anyway,both of them have a huge fan, if he really want to fight and box? I believe most PPV buy-in would be from Filipino fans of Manny and not from Oscar's fans.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:05:54 PM
piangot gaylon:  Oscar should not be described as mexican-american since he neither has the trait of both nationalities. He's far from Morales, Barrera and Juan Marquez although they fought with the pacman, I like these guys..they're really warriors.
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:07:49 PM
drvotts:  YAAAAAYYY!!!!!! I'm loving the fact that this fight crumbled. It would've the worst move Manny's made since running for political office. I can't imagine how Oscar can look himself in the mirror. You want to fight a lightweight, and he's only had one fight at lightweight!!!! ??? Oh and let us not forget he claims he doesn't want to fight a mexican for his last fight????!!!! If that's the case why the Mora talk??? Fact about it if he fights anybody but the Tiajuana Tornado I will have lost what little respect I have for slim (Oscar ) . If you really love your people and your country then you would give Margo a shot and a possibility of receiving the pass of the torch like CHAVES did for you!!! I think Oscar has a shot with Margo simply because of his jab and footwork but he doesn't beleive in himself that's why he's looking for the easiest opponent. He will probably lose anyway because he's not going for the win , he's trying not to lose. If you had half the heart of Mosely nobody could say anything about you. I WONDER WHAT YOUR MOTHER WOULD THINK ABOUT HER SON. peace and blessings
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:10:25 PM
don:  oscar de la hoya is scared of paquiao! ha ha ha... Even this fight will push thru, odlh is going to run the whole night coz it will be embarrassing if hes going to kiss the canvass like diaz. Can u imagine that, Oscar de la Hoya kissing the canvass??? ha ha ha while Manny is jumping up and down of joy? Climbing the ring at the corner doing his ritual making sign of the cross? OSCAR DE LA HOYA IS DEFINITELY AFRAID OF MANNY PACQUIAO. IT IS VERY CLEAR, IT IS NOT THE MONEY. NOT THE MONEY. NOT THE MONEY. HE IS SCARED. NO MAS AMIGO.,,, NO MAS!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:18:21 PM
yoko:  I guess Pacquiao is more famous than dela hoya as of now. so why did not dela hoya fight money with 50/50?
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:24:27 PM
Aarick:  Oh common Oscar..just give pacquiao another 5% so he'l kick ur ass come dec. 6...We all know people that oskee no longer need more money infact he already hav lots of money..So why just give it another 5%man???its what the people want..its very obvious..i mean all the advantage(height,wieght,reach,and bigger guys can handle smaller guys punches...i hop so with u fighting Manny..hehe..U need pacquiao and same also pacquiao needs u to make this fight happen..
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 09:46:01 PM
micz:  "im gonna bet my balls on a chopping board" that manny will win this fight if it happens, however, the beating will be from fair to bad for manny. if its about guts, manny has it, oscar doesn't. speed, power, agility, and science favor paquiao at 145 lbs. oscar will not have much power then after stepping down on weight. Well, since its already "off" manny's gonna be very busy choosing among a long line-up of "worthy opponents" with a slight delay of pay-roll compared to oscars 70%, which manny can surely make in two to three fights as the main event and the true pound-per-pound king, second to the great mayweather...
Thursday Aug 14, 2008 11:39:06 PM
maruso:  Oscar, if you want a big fight, don't argue about the purse. just prove that you can still fight.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 12:42:56 AM
PACMINATOR RULES:  MARGARITO GETTING 4X THE AMOUNT??? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!??? HE IS NO PACMAN TO ASK ODLH TO GIVE HIM THAT AMOUNT. HE WOULD ONLY BE GIVEN 1 OR 2 MILLION TO FIGHT HIM. COZ ODLH IS TOO DAMN GREEEEDY! BOOYAH!
Friday Aug 15, 2008 03:19:05 AM
DWINIX:  Dela hoya is doing the right thing by going greedy because he is so tentative of fighting pacman and maybe he realized that he'll be the next mexican victims of the megamanny and his retirement will be in jeopardy, REMEMBERED AS A N ALL TIME BOXING EMBARRASSMENT OF HISTORY OF ALL TIME.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 06:08:33 AM
james ingram:  go manny fight dela hoya do not matter the price but care for the coz i believe you'l win............ dela hoya is much older than you............ good luck i pray for you..
Friday Aug 15, 2008 06:11:30 AM
DWINIX:  Dela hoya is doing the right thing by going greedy because he is so tentative of fighting pacman and maybe he realized that he'll be the next mexican victims of the megamanny and his retirement will be in jeopardy, REMEMBERED AS A N ALL TIME BOXING EMBARRASSMENT OF HISTORY OF ALL TIME.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 06:24:42 AM
Anony [ I got the answer for Oscar... and it is Tito Trinidad!!!!!!! :  :::::: CHECK ON THIS GUYS | I DID MY ANALYSIS ON OSCAR'S FUTURE :::::: And he definetly fight Tito Trinidad at 160-pounds. And before all you haters start throwing bombs please ask yourself "why not"?. Check this out, Tito's last fight was at 170-pounds and Oscar's last one was at 150. So, why not meet halfway and stop the BS???. If Oscar is looking to make lots of money this will definetly be his best option after Pacquiao. Tito will bring more money than Shane Mosley or Sergio Mora. If he wins, he will get his revenge. Also he is not fighting a Mexican like he said he is not interest. So.. go call Don King and Papa Trinidad and take the rust out of Tito. And all of you haters can go "bla, bla, bla..." about this but I know half of you would pay to watch this fight. Anyway it is DLH's last fight and Tito didn't look bad at all against Roy Jones. Jones was just bigger than him or anybody like Tito. It was just a bad business decision and still Tito endured the 12 rounds to this guy.... SO LET'S BRING IT ON!!!!!! I WILL BE ROOTING FOR "TITO", "TITO", "TITO", "TITO", "TITO"!!!!!!
Friday Aug 15, 2008 08:10:53 AM
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:  "FatMan Hatton. This bout will be huge in money and in viewing audience. And Manny will win" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These Asian dudes think they got a Hercules boxer in their posesion. It's a good thing those talks blew off and Oscar will pick on somebody his own size, and I bet he's not MAN enough to take on Margarito. He'll probably end up fighting either Mora, or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, in other words fighter that are either not dangerous or don't hit hard (Sturm, Forbes). Always taking easy fights. And as for Pacquiao, he's DEFINITELY NOT gonna win against either De la Hoya, nor Hatton (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Radam G saying this kid would beat Hatton is totally RIDICULOUS) The guy didn't even beat Marquez and he and his people knows this. Any good Lightweight would beat Pacquiao: Juan Diaz, Humberto Soto (Which I have a feeling he will), Juan Manuel Marquez, and even Casamyor would beat that little guy. Who he'd beat at 135? David "G.I. Joe" Diaz, who's a lot worse than Casamayor. When Marquez beats Casamayor, he'll be the best Lightweight in my eyes. And Humberto Soto, if they fight, will beat Pacquiao, hell, even SUCKASS trainer the Roach knows this. That's why he wanted Oscar: Get beat up, but still get great ca$H. And that's why he doesn't want Soto: Get beat up and no ca$H.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 02:07:36 PM
rudy:  Anony, I feel you on that. Rather see that than a Mora fight or PacMan bout.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 02:22:00 PM
jagger:  PACMAN VS HATTON SPRING 09 ITS ON THE WALL AND A DONE DEAL ,I LOVE RICKY BUT PACMAN WILL BEAT MY MAN.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 02:44:18 PM
Nello Bartolomei:  The man who wrote this interview does not know boxing. Thomas Hearns beat Pipino Cueves for his first title at welterweight. Cueves had 10 title defenses. Delahoya beat Ruelas who had a weak chin. Hearns then beat another legends Benitez to win his next title . Then Hearns knocked out Duran to defend that title when Duran was fellow title holder at WBA. Hearns then fought the best round and possible fight ever with Marvin Hagler. Beat Ray and got a draw. And beat an undefeated Virgil Hill when Virgil had 10 title defenses in 1981-11 years after he won the welterweight title from Cueves? And you think saying Delahoya being equal to him is an insult??? That is the one comment you made which was ridiculous. Hearns I think is great than Delahoya and Hearns is great. He beat more Hall of Famers than Duran, who never beat a legend except for Leonard.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 02:44:36 PM
gani:  AS A FATHER TO BOTH OF THIS KIDS...I WOULD ADVICE. "SONS, AS THE FUTURE GENERATION IN THIS WORLD, DON'T PUT TO MUCH GREED IN YOUR MINDS, FOR GREED OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL". YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR TONS OF MONEY WHEN YOU DIE. SO BE FAIR TO EACH OTHER, MEET IN BETWEEN.. AND LET THE FIGHT BEGINS!!!!!!!
Friday Aug 15, 2008 04:14:00 PM
gani:  When I was still a little boy we use to box with one hand tied @ the back with a piece of shoelace/string, if I'm bigger/taller. Likewise, if my opponent has the advantage. I remember this much smaller little boy, really pisses me off. So we agree to box, but this time it's my right hand tied up, since I'm a right handed. Now, what I'm trying to picture here is that little boys those days knows how to play even..I honestly miss those years. But hey!, did I miss something in my life? What I wish is that it would still happen nowadays..other than that, I would advise not to.
Friday Aug 15, 2008 06:18:03 PM
donputo69:  TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO!!!!!!!!!!!!..HOLLA BACK!!!!!!
Friday Aug 15, 2008 07:12:42 PM
john:  louisito espinosa wants to fight de le hoya at 98---2%.
Saturday Aug 16, 2008 03:46:30 AM
Isaiah:  Margartio or Tito. It doesn't really matter. Fight either one and Oscar's chin will shatter. Mosley or Pacman, pick either one, when the fight is done, GLASSMAN Golden Boy will become. Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Ricky Hatton or the Girl Scouts, De la Hoya fights any and his brain comes smashing out. THIS RYHME TITLED MEXI-MELT-AMERICAN, GREEDY,GOLD MEDAL HUGGING, OSCAR IS SHANE MOSLEY'S B!--H AND OSCAR IS NO LONGER THUGGIN. " Sorry guys, I just can't fight another Mexican, I just can't do it... Time to sign Sergio Mora to fight me. A.K.A. Throw the fight. Yes, I know the irony in the Previous sentence. I wonder if a 95/5 spilt is fair?" Not a bad Oscar impersation, hey guys? LOL!!!
Saturday Aug 16, 2008 05:52:35 AM
kenny lowengrub:  Please no Oscar vs. Sugar Shane Mosley lll.
Sunday Aug 17, 2008 06:33:20 AM
blue4cor:  Power and speed that Pacquiao possesses can difinitely without a doubt can KO de la Hoya cold. I bet if Manny had agreed to accept the 70-30 DLH will make another excuse to avoid him. DLH IS A SMART SEASONED FIGHTER WHO IS VERY AWARE THAT PACQUIAO'S SPEED IS TOO MUCH TO HANDLE TO ANYONE HE FACES. The biggest example is JUAN Marquez, a very crafty fighter who Manny ko'd with a single speed blinding, meteor falling like punch. DLH knows THE LARGER THAN LIFE EMBARRASSMENT that can happen to him should he fight Manny. He perceives more than what boxing observers thinks. And so folks why should we expect this fight to happen????
Monday Aug 18, 2008 01:18:22 AM
Filipino-Mexican:  Hey Oscar! What do you need so much money for? Don't you have more than enough? Retirement Fund? You do have that, and surely you won't be spending the remainder of your years in a nursing home. You have made a BIG NAME for yourself in boxing. Keep it that way. Don't be remembered as "THE GREAT BOXER GONE GREEDY & LOST HIS GLORY" or "THE GREAT BOXER WHO BECAME A CHICKEN". Give Pacman the extra 5% as a Hazard Pay, or better make it 60/40. It's a sound deal. Oscar is a much bigger fighter. We'll I guess Pacman will be knocking out Oscar dela Hoya and that's why he's too afraid to make this fight happen. His weight reduced to 147lbs? He'd be killing himself with dehydration that's why he'll be knocked-out. He knows the odds that's why he's chickened-out. the TITO fight would be good. And Margarito will destroy Oscar. But it would be too embarrasing for him to be beaten by a smaller guy like Pacman.
Monday Aug 18, 2008 03:45:57 AM
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!::  "Power and speed that Pacquiao possesses can difinitely without a doubt can KO de la Hoya cold." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, these little kids think they what?? HERCULES?????????????????? De la Hoya would've KILL that little Asian dude. HEY!!!! ANY good Lightweight can beat David "G. I. Joe" Diaz. Whoever thinks De la Hoya would've lost to Pacquiao is an IGNORANT FOOL who doesn't know CRAP about boxing............."The biggest example is JUAN Marquez, a very crafty fighter who Manny ko'd with a single speed blinding, meteor falling like punch." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, no, no, no, sorry everyone, but, but this is something I just gotta take a moment to laugh at this STUPID nonsense. Pacquiao "KOing" Marquez with blinding speed and meteor falling like pu...........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All these fools that are talking FANTASY crap about Pacquiao were the ones peeing before Michael Buffer made the announcement, and now they talking all these stupid stuff. Marquez, Soto, Juan Diaz, and yes, De la Hoya, ALL would and GLADLY would beat Pacquiao. Marquez already did it.....And Pacquiao knows it......Pacquiao with a meteor falling punc........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, don't make me laugh. This kid ain't blue, he's YELLOW. YELLOW-for-Color HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday Aug 18, 2008 09:28:53 AM
donputo69:  who ever thinks scareweather is a legend must be on some serious crack.....i know dlh will beat pacquaio....but for your dumb@$$ to say marquez beat pacquiao...you must be out of your mind...lmfaooooo.....who touched the canvas 4 times in 2 fights?....who is still crying?.....ok...i rest my case....marquez is a lil girl crying to the media...he gets no respect from me...and he is still gonna be crying when EL CEPILLO beat his @$$....holla back!!!!!!ohh and by the way?..whats gonna be his next excuse when he do loses to EL CEPILLO?....lmfaoooooo...holla!!!!
Monday Aug 18, 2008 04:45:38 PM
kenny lowengrub:  I can't imagine two executives that work for the same company Oscar and Sugar Shane beating each other up again. What do you think about that donputo69. Are you thinking what Im thinking.
Monday Aug 18, 2008 08:55:23 PM
#1 pacfan P4P "Legend":  Pacman is on the top of the world of boxing baby!!!It's all about Pacquaio right now I don't see anyone beating at this moment.
Monday Aug 18, 2008 10:26:46 PM
Anony:  ::::::: I WILL KEEP MAKING MY CASE ::::::TITO VS. OSCAR AT 160 POUNDS. THAT IS FUN ENOUGH AND HAVE SERIOUS MONEY INVOLVE. WHY THE GOLDEN BOY IS NOT LISTENING??? MARGARITO IS TOO DANGEROUS, SERGIO MORA IS NOT ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH, THERE IS NO POINT ON FIGHTING MOSLEY, PACQUIAO IS TOO SMALL.... AND WHO WILL BRING REAL MONEY TO THE TABLE??? TITO TRINIDAD!!!!!!!!!! IT IS SURELY A MORE EVEN FIGHT THAN PACQUAIO AND PLEASE ADMIT IT (ALL OF YOU) PACQUIAO WILL LOST THE FIGHT, OSCAR IS JUST TOO BIG AND HAS A GREAT JAB... PACQUIAO WON'T BE ABLE TO REACH HIM THEY WAY HE MIGHT LIKE... SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR? TO SEE IF DAVID CAN WIN GOLIAT??? OR A GOOD AND EVEN MATCH UP FIGHT??? REMEMBER DAVID WON TO GOLIAT FROM THE DISTANCE... THERE ARE SO MUCH AREA THE RING CAN COVER AND OSCAR IS NO STONE-FEET. TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO TITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 11:32:41 AM
JR:  #1 pacfan p4p well lets c wat if he fights margarito,cotto,paul williams they will tko pac boy!!!!!!!! and shane.
Wednesday Dec 3, 2008 05:40:14 PM

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